WEBVTT - ITS Home Edition: Jade Bird 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:05.320 Welcome to Inside the Studio presented by I Heart Radio. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:15.760 I'm your host Joe Levy Okay. Our guests on this 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.600 week's home edition of the show is Jade Bird, the 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:24.279 British singers, songwriter, rocker, pop singer. She's also kind of 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.639 in America, you know what. She's a lot of different 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.400 things at once, and one of them is terrifically talented. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.640 And we started the home edition of the show to 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.800 let you know how the pandemic has impacted the lives 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.080 of artists and Jade recorded her new single, head Start, 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.280 as well as her upcoming album in Nashville this last summer, 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.800 just a few months ago. As she told our Quarantine 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.159 correspondent Jordan runt Hog, she had to go to Mexico 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.880 City to isolate for two weeks before going to Nashville, 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.240 except I think she was in Upstate New York before that. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.400 It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But when 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.600 the music is this good, what else can you say? 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.280 It's apt? Thank you. She also talked with Jordan about 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:04.720 what it was like to be on stage at the 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.920 Newport Folk Festival last year with Dolly Parton, Cheryl Crow, 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.840 Marion Morris, Linda Perry, Brandy Carlyle, no big deal, just 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.080 a bunch of icons and her as always. If you 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.640 enjoyed this episode, be sure to check out the I 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:23.480 Heart Radio podcast that Jordan's hosts. It's called Rivals Music's 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.880 Greatest Feuds, and it's available wherever you get your podcasts. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.080 Hello everyone, my name is Jordan run Todd, but enough 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.200 about me. My guest today is a singer songwriter from 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.959 the UK who's so talented that it's really quite scary. 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.080 She has one of my favorite voices on the scene today, 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.240 perfect for conveying both full throated and sndiary rock and 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:51.200 roll and delicate country tinged folk. Her songs brim with 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:55.160 wit and maturity, not to mention irresistible melodies. In two 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.320 thousand nineteen, she released her self titled debut, which boasted 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.000 adult alternative hits like a Lot, Uh huh and I 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.760 Get No Joy. Earlier this year, she went down to 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.080 Nashville to record her second LP, which is on the 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.800 way soon. Fairs were treated to a taste with her 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.560 new single, head Start, which is out. Now. We're going 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.640 to talk about new music, old favorites, and everything in between. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:19.480 I'm so happy to welcome Jade Bird Na Absolutely anytime. Yeah, 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.560 it's great to talk to you too. Your new single 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.280 Headstart is incredible. I've been humming it all day. It's 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.799 about when your crush just isn't picking up on your hands. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.840 Tell me more about that song. Where did that come from? 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.360 So it's interesting. I'm actually I've kind of started writing 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.640 again because the second record is finished, and I was 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.079 just going through my old book that I was like 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.440 writing the whole record in, and the first page it's like, 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.320 got head start on it. And I think, you know, 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.440 in a way, there was two tracks that the first 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.359 two singles were the two tracks that really opened the 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.040 door for this next record, And I think head Start 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.080 was kind of less about a specific event or context 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.840 and probably more about the opening of the clouds in 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.200 terms of like I was getting back into the you 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:03.679 know what I mean, I was sort of getting back 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.959 out there and writing again for me. So I think 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.440 Headstart is more of a mantra into the new year 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.720 for me. But as you said, in more literal sense, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.720 it's like you don't love me and I love you 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.119 so well. Then you mentioned your second single, Houdini, which 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.480 is supposing it's the flip side in a sort of 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:23.840 in a way, it's like kind of the end of 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.160 a relationship at a time when love sort of disappears 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.080 and vanishes, which I thought was an amazing metaphor what 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.480 does that song mean for you? Houdini is far the 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.560 more in depth one. That's kind of why I chose 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.760 to do the one too, because you know you have that. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:39.800 I wanted to give a bit of energy and ject 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.120 a bit of Catharsis into the first single, and then 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.640 the second one is very personal. Um. So I started 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.640 writing it. There was basically I was in a study 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.200 and this airbnb study and upstate New York, and there 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.640 was this a little framed picture of like a headless, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.480 upside down red figure, and it really cottoned onto like 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.640 Hoodini for me. I just reading a book about him before, 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.360 and I just really it was in the ether of 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.720 my brain. Um and yeah, I started writing, and the 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.320 first lyrics as a quarter to three, it's clear clear 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.360 to me that you're leaving, and all the things in 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.840 the first verse relate to this kind of It was 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.680 a bit of a shouting match. When I was younger, 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.600 I was a bit of a you know, part of 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.760 in a way, uh, and the context of the course, 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.040 and the Houdini element is representative of a lot of 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.520 male figures in my life, leaving and coming back, and 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.760 leaving and coming back and just having no control over 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.880 that whatsoever. And I think I started, you know, the 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.280 first writing trip writing that it was like a closure 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.040 on the past. It was like, you know, here it is, 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.400 here's what I want to say, and I and it 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.160 was like, really cathartic to get that out. I was 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:45.840 going to say one of my favorite songs of yours, 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.159 as Love has All been Done Before, which which sounds 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.760 so fierce musically but but lyrically has a sense of 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.440 love is doomed, Everything is doomed. And I was wondering 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.279 if you'd change your mind a bit, And I guess 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.960 do Houdini kind of answers my question a little bit. No, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.040 You're actually spot on in the other way. I've really 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.960 changed my mind this past couple of years in terms 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.960 of I've been in a really stable relationship with with 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.240 someone who I really admire and respect, and and I 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:15.560 was really worried about it falling apart because of my family. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.479 It's bad luck with the relationships, you know, two generations 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.200 of divorce you know, it's not it's not looking good. Um, 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.320 so love has all been done before. Was kind of 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.320 like a way of being like, this is never gonna work. 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.160 I need to live my own life. It was quite 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:32.880 self driven. And you know, since the pandemic especially, I 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.840 feel like I've learned well. I certainly seem to care 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:38.919 about others a bit more. I can see other's a 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.240 bit more. You know, it's not so self focused. It's 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.360 not so self driven this journey. So I'm really happy 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.080 about that. I'm really happy I got to do that 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.600 so early on. Now this new album, you went down 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.919 to Nashville, home of so much music that I know 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.120 is so important to you, Dolly Parton Lorella ly in 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.360 the Civil Wars. What was it like to be there 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.800 and be surrounded by this energy and what sort of 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.920 walk in those footsteps? Had you been there before? Yes, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.960 I've spent a lot of time in Nashville, but never 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.560 with Dave Cobbs. So he was the guy who produced 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.520 this whole record. Um, and just a little guy knows 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.680 he you know, did the Brandy Carlisle by the way, 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.880 I give you Chris s Tableton, I mean, he's he's 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:23.279 done it in that world. Ah, he's just a hero. Um. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.520 So I went up there and like, literally, you get 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.800 into our CEO studios where we were recorded. I know, 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:34.479 I know, it's ridiculous, and you're sort of it's I mean, 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.800 just on parallel the history I've never you know, Dolly Elvis, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:42.400 you're talking the big guys, the big hits. So yeah, 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.960 we we we get in and we record everything live 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.480 sort of in one room. Basically, I'm in a vocal 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.680 booth and all the musicians room one room, and I 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.400 played them the song and the many songs, and we 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.360 went through sixteen songs. I just played it out on 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.400 the acoustic and I swear to god, like they pick 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:01.000 it up so quick. They're just like yeah, cool, great, awesome, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.159 and then and they do it, and then you do 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.120 it literally no more than three times, and then you've 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.160 got the pretty much the take of everybody. It's wild. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.200 Those those national sess and folks are are insane or 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.720 quickly get there and you recorded all those tracks live, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.360 I mean pretty much. Yeah, I mean live live in 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.160 the sense that, yeah, the takes that we got, especially 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.440 Houdini Judini was pretty much everything you hear was played simultaneously, 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.560 which you know is live. I guess in a in 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.160 a kind of nerdy way of breaking it down. But 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.840 but yeah, it was all done. You know, there was 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.800 some overdubs, but the core of every song was done 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.760 done live with each other. What was it like working 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.480 with Dave car What did he bring to the bring 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.880 to the table. He brought a lot of surprises. He's 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.560 got quite even though it's from Georgia, he's got quite 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.960 a British grounded way of working. You know, it's very 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.760 much like get to work kind of we're all we're 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:53.800 all in listen to do our jobs, which is very 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:58.200 very British um. But for me specifically, he brought like respect. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.080 So me and my partner went really close to other 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.440 and he's my guitarist and he treated us as equals, which, 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.160 as you know, if you know you have a partner, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.320 it's really important someone sees you like that. And creatively 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.280 it's even more important because you're trying it. This is 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.200 a combined vision that you're trying to get through. So 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.800 I think because David worked with you know, Jason Isabel 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.800 and a Man of Shots or Chris Stapleton and Organ Stapleton, 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.080 I think he really saw us as one unit and 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.160 got the best out of us in that way. So yeah, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.760 he's he's really really, really really special. Did you get 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.640 to explore much in in Nashville or Tennessee when you 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.720 were down there city operator stuff or was it still 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:40.120 in heavy lockdown mode, really heavy lockdown, like really heavy lockdown. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.280 So when I when it was what mid summer kind 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.920 of time, Um, so things were really in the thick 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:48.839 of it. And before I went to Nashville, actually I 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.120 was in Mexico City because I had to quarantine for 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.760 two weeks. I don't know how this works, by the way, 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.000 the American government just casually like yeah, yeah, go to 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.079 a new city and quarantine and it will be you 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.040 were way safer. So we did that and I ended 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.800 up writing a lot of tracks for the album there 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.600 as well. Oh wow, that's I mean, it's it's so fastating. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.120 What is it about music from from this part of 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.080 the world, the American stuff that that speaks to you 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.240 so deeply? Why it's really interesting. I was listening to 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.040 a podcast I think it's Dolly Partner's American This America 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.520 or This American. Do you know Dolly Partners America. It's 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:28.480 an incredible podcast. It's literally just phenomenal. And I think 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:33.880 what's phenomenal is the universal feeling from American artists or 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.360 Southern artists in terms of I think when you come 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.600 from quite humble beginnings, either with your family or your situation, 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.720 I think there's some sort of sense of community in 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.120 songwriting for that. You know, I think it's very rare 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.480 you'll meet an artist or you know, real true artist 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.040 who hasn't probably been through something I find to give 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.880 their music that depth. But maybe that's a cliche. Just 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.200 certainly who I have noticed ice around myself with or 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.280 you know, who I'm d of who I love, artists 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.280 I love so Loretta Len is a great example that 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.880 coal miner's daughter and her background. It definitely adds a 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.320 death to her music that you just feel, even if 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.120 it's not in the lyrics, you can just sense it 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.640 from it. Oh my god. Absolutely, And I think you 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.000 know what was so interesting for me was knowing that, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.520 you know, they have that incredible musician. The name escapes 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.480 me right now. Literally just listened to it last night, 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.480 but she talks about the banjo and its history in 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.760 you know, Africa and how you know slavery. Basically what 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.199 brought bluegrass music to America, and it's now so like 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.640 focused as like you know, country music. You know, it's 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.880 sort of like quite conservative white music, and it just 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.640 wasn't the start at all of that music. I found 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.320 that so fascinating, um, you know, because I think music 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.440 community is just it kind of overshadows any sort of 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.480 you know, anti diverse kind of behavioral mentality. You know, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.840 it's the joy of it. We all go through the 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.120 same things, the same emotions were all literally human being, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.400 so and a cross pollination just musically is so strong 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:08.240 throughout the world. As you said, yeah, absolutely, I was 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:22.400 good slack about that. It's funny, my, I don't know 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.120 if you've experienced this. My my father growing up, he 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.440 never stopped listening to new music. So I grew up 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.520 with him playing Jagged Little Pill or Tory Amos or 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.200 Liz Fair and Nirvana and stuff, which was, you know, 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.200 looking back on it was great. But I discovered the 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:37.840 music that I really love, which I guess a lot 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.920 of people call oldies like Little Richard and Chuck Berry 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.600 and people like that. I had to discover that on 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.880 my own. And I feel like because I found it 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.040 on my own, I had this sense of ownership over it. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.160 To me, it felt like it was mine. Was that 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.200 the case for you, because I know growing up your 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.880 parents played a lot of like Chemical Brothers and Prodigy 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.360 and stuff like that. Do you feel that way with 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.440 this type of music, like because you sought it out, 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.840 it belongs more to you as opposed to the parents 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.959 who kind of like would show it to their kids more. Yeah, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.440 I think you're so right there, you know. Although I 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.080 love the fact that your dad in Trustori a most 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:15.199 that's so that's amazing, way better taste of music than 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.280 I do, so amazing. But yeah, I think I think 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.600 when you're young, you want to know what cool is. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.840 And I think I always had this suspicion that sort 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.040 of what my friends thought was cool. I was like, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.920 you know, that's not cool. I don't think that's true, 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.240 you know. I think I think because when you're thirteen 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.160 years old, that's all you're basically looking for. You want 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.400 to know, like what's really cool. It's kind of as 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.680 simple as that. And I think that means like what 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.400 feels good to you. And I remember listening to actually 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:48.280 Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and Massie Star through a family 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:52.040 friend and going like, oh, this is really I felt 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.560 it was really cool, and I think, well I felt 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.440 with that was like I had a connection with it. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.840 And then I started to sort of look into blues 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.560 a lot more because of a motorcycle club and a 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.920 lot of them rockier bands. I mean they literally rip 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.400 a lot of blues kind of structures off, and then 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.880 I sort of ended up finding like sun House and 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.520 and all this stuff. And You're so right, it became 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.839 my music. It became Michael and my identity, um and 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.079 followed me, you know, gigging in blues bars right the 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.559 way up until I was probably eighteen and started to 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.160 change taste a little bit again. Well, speaking of core, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.720 you performed with Dolly herself along with Brandy Carlisle. How 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:34.600 was that for you? Yeah? It was absolutely like it 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:39.480 was like a different other worldly experience them situation as 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.040 you sit there and you just go wow, because I 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.640 remember Dolly like comes up in a yellow canary suit, 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.439 like literally canary yellow suits sorry, sequented up to the 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.280 nine so a big wagon wheel on the back, and 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.760 I'm just going like what you know what She's like, Hey, y'all, 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.120 how are you doing? You know? And I like go 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.559 and like try and shake her hand, and she shakes 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.240 everyone's hand on the stage and I sort of mess 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.160 up and then we're sort of like, you know, doing 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.280 a bit hand tickle and it's so awkward and I 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.080 want to die and I'm just yeah, it was She's 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.600 full Dolly. She's going full Dolly right from the ste 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.480 She didn't even blink like I missed her hand and 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.400 I was like, she was just like, oh, great, you 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.360 know lovely to me. Yeah, if you do. And I 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.440 was like, oh, I've just ruined everything. But I know 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.880 I knew Dolly because Linda Perry or so I got 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.520 to sing with that weekend and we've we've been since 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.600 worked together and so I sort of knew the connection 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.120 there as well. I remember seeing like Brandy sing I 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:41.200 Will Always Love You with Dolly and I think Linda 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.440 was playing piano. I think I'm trying to ditch into 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:49.080 my mind, but yes, lineup. Yeah, Brandy is just like 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.920 my biggest inspiration at the minute. The way she got 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.720 kind of she really hit her stride. Six albums in 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.920 almost you know, or at least got successful, got such 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.600 a masterpiece of a record, six albums in like that 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.400 work ethic, I can't. I don't know anyone who competes 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.360 with that nowadays. Well, your work ethic is just absolutely incredible, 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:10.920 to mean, you make the rest of us look bad. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.200 Quite frankly, I think you've said that you tried to 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.200 write a song a day for a time. Do you 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.920 still try to keep that clip? A lot has changed 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.400 in that respect, so I used to. I think it's 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.920 that ten thousand hours theory by you know, Malcolm Glad 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:24.880 is that kind of thing. That's what I was doing 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:26.560 when I was young, whether I knew it or not, 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.320 I was getting them ten thousand hours in. I feel 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.840 the difference with this. Now. I feel like I am 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.520 a writer and I feel like I can say I 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.000 am an artist. And on my first record, I never 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.360 felt I could really earned I felt like I hadn't 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.880 earned that um and so that's why I was doing 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.040 all the graft. But now I do take a minute sometimes, 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.280 you know, Like when I was writing in January for 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.200 this record, I hadn't written in like two months properly. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.960 So I just I want to be careful, you know, 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.600 not to make people feel like because you know what 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.960 I mean, hyper production guilt kind of that all bleeds 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.520 into one so yeah, I am taking more of a 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.800 minute now. I feel like I've got my voice and 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.400 my tone, if that makes sense, to live a little 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:13.200 bit and see do the best songs come quickly? You feel? Always? Yeah, yeah, always. 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.040 I'm trying to think if there's an exception, because oh, 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.400 there was one song I did about I don't know, 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.400 maybe six versions of um that ended up not making 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.120 cut the cut for the record, but I really want 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.000 to give to someone. It's a piano record, So there 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.080 are exceptions to that. But you know, Headstart didn't take me. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.320 I wrote versions of that as well, but I just 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:36.840 seemed to be disproving my theory instead of actually instead 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.160 of actually giving my answer any backup. So who knows? 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.400 Are you superstitious at all when you're writing? Is it 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.640 like a special place you always want to sit, or 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.520 an instrument you always want to use, or even just 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.960 like a time of day, or is it just whenever wherever? Now, 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.080 My my old producer was like, dude, she's just a 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:59.120 superstitious freak. She can write anywhere. I was like, that's hilarious, 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.760 because I space see there was one studio I wrote 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.879 Lottery in our her and there was one place and 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.479 I was like, if it's not available, I can't, I 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.399 can't write, you know, and he was like, dude, you know, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.639 get a grip. And then I literally went to a 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.879 shed down the road, literally walk down the road and 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.920 ended up wearing everything for this record. And then Mexico. 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.159 You know, it's still like I've ever been to Mexico 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.240 see and written anything in an apartment before. So again, 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.119 this was the album of disproving a lot of a 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.200 lot of superstitions, but in general, oh my goodness, I'm 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.159 just so superstitious. Well yeah, maybe I mean just getting 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:36.600 fresh perspective, fresh places, fresh experiences. Maybe that that primes 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.280 the pomp Yea especially. I think I think there was 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.199 something about the air there. There was kind of in 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.080 the vicinity. It was really triggering a lot of my 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.080 British kind of nineties rock influences in Mexico. I can't. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.359 I mean, who knows why. Um, sometimes it just happens. 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.480 But like the Smith's was coming out a lot of p. J. 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.800 Harvey and and kind of Cocktau Twins and all of 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.399 that was truly channeling and even if it Bruce Brinstein, well, 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:04.000 there's like street musicians outside the balcony every day. They'd 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.720 be like playing trumpet or like you know, the sacks, 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.840 and you'd hear them and it would be so weird 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.920 and wacky and wonderful. Talking to people who are are 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.960 blessed with the ability to write music, I'm always so 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.359 curious how much does the audience factor into your urge 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.160 to write. Do you write as a way to communicate 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.120 with other people, or do you right to get that 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.840 feeling out of you, Like if you're on a desert island, 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.520 would you still right every day or as often? Yeah, 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.200 that's That's That's why you are who you are. That's 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.760 why your occupation is your occupation, I think because it's 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.000 not like you just do it for because you have to. 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.639 It's like if you sit in lockdown for two months, 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.440 you'll write a song, you know you will get out 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.440 of that, or six months or eight months, you'll get 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.520 out of that and you'll write again. That's because you're 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:50.879 a writer and you'll always be there. And that's the 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.360 one thing I've learned in this experience is like I 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.440 feel like you can own that title now and and 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:58.959 and feel a bit more confident in the sense if 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.520 I don't write every day, I'm still a writer, you know, 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.479 although I believe that work is important. Have you been 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.680 coping with with lockdown? I know the last couple of 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.480 months and it has been been tough on everybody. Have 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.800 you been feeling Yeah, I mean, as you probably know, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.400 we're all we're all in the same boat together. I 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.360 at the beginning is really up and down. I'm quite 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.880 a binary person in the sense about either on on 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.320 on on on or like off, you know, so, and 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.879 that's in everything I do. My partner just loses his 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.400 mind at it. Um So, I like, this is so 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.560 obsessive of me. But I wrote like a list so 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.520 I'd be like exercise and I put a little spider 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.800 diagram and every time I exercised I had not gone 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.160 off or put a little tally chart and then songs 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.080 and then have one for books read. And I just 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.280 started being like really hyper productive at the beginning. And 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.920 then as you know, you complete, everything goes and then 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.879 you do nothing, um but keep in track of it 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:55.200 really helped me because you know, it's kind of like 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.840 I saw this sad thing that was someone who the 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.520 sister really struggled with depression, and they wrote every day 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.000 how we're feeling if it was like up down, not 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.159 so good medium, and they trapped it every day. And 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.080