Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is my colleague West
Speaker 1: Hodkowits were coming to you here from our studios at
Speaker 1: lambeau Field and West. The end of the Packers season
Speaker 1: is now a few days old, and really, like all
Speaker 1: of Packer Nation, we're waiting to see exactly what direction
Speaker 1: the Packers defense will take in. So it's a good
Speaker 1: time to maybe look back on some things that happened
Speaker 1: defensively in and uh and try to pinpoint exactly maybe
Speaker 1: what what to look forward to in the coming year.
Speaker 1: When you look at this Packers defense statistically twenty second
Speaker 1: yards allowed, six points allowed, is there one thing that
Speaker 1: jumps out at you as the biggest hole or downfall
Speaker 1: or for lack of a better term, well, the thing
Speaker 1: that looks And I don't want to just point to injuries,
Speaker 1: because you know it's it's more than that. It's not
Speaker 1: just injuries. But I thought it was such a great
Speaker 1: point that was made during the final stretch of the season,
Speaker 1: the Packers Week sixteen taking on the Minnesota Vikings, and
Speaker 1: when you pull up there the game packet and you
Speaker 1: see the starting lineup for their starting eleven on defense,
Speaker 1: it's almost a mirror of what it was in Week
Speaker 1: one of the season. The Vikings were just ridiculously healthy
Speaker 1: on defense and that allowed that defensive gel and become
Speaker 1: the top rank unit in the NFL. Packers are almost
Speaker 1: the exact opposite of that. When you look, especially in
Speaker 1: the secondary, how much different they looked. Um, the edge
Speaker 1: rushers and the Perry going down late in the season,
Speaker 1: it was tough for the Packers to get that unit
Speaker 1: together to gel, to have some some continuity and consistency
Speaker 1: chemistry with those defenders. So Um, looking ahead, I think
Speaker 1: you look back, Mike, You look at some these best
Speaker 1: defenses the Packers have had during Mike McCarthy's tenure here
Speaker 1: has head coach. They've had units that have had playmakers,
Speaker 1: And I think when you look at the way that
Speaker 1: the Packers are going in down to two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: there's bound to be changes, no question about that, But
Speaker 1: they have a lot of the same core coming back.
Speaker 1: Your your Mike Daniels, you have Blake Martinez stepping up,
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark, Kevin King will be coming back hopefully stronger
Speaker 1: after having that solder surgery. Ha ha Clinton Dix is
Speaker 1: under contract for another season. There is the potential, I think,
Speaker 1: to to see those guys really break out and looking
Speaker 1: for them to make those jumps going forward. The biggest
Speaker 1: thing is going to come back to, though, is being
Speaker 1: able to gel as a unit and also to some extent,
Speaker 1: being able to stay healthy. Yeah, I think. I do
Speaker 1: think health is a big part of it. But aside
Speaker 1: from that issue, when I take a look at it,
Speaker 1: you look at top defenses around the league. It's really
Speaker 1: difficult in the NFL to have a defense that say,
Speaker 1: is going to rank in the top half of the
Speaker 1: league if you don't have a true number one boundary cornerback.
Speaker 1: And the bottom line is the Packers haven't had one
Speaker 1: for the last two years since Sam Shields went down
Speaker 1: with that concussion in Week one in Jacksonville. Of the
Speaker 1: Packers haven't had one. Now. They tried to address it
Speaker 1: in the draft. They drafted Kevin King with their first
Speaker 1: overall pick, but then you know, healthwise, he was in
Speaker 1: and out. He ends up getting shut down with the
Speaker 1: shoulder problem. As you said, hopefully he comes back healthy
Speaker 1: and he continues that push to be a number one
Speaker 1: boundary corner We saw Damarius Randall obviously take a big
Speaker 1: step forward in the second half of although I think
Speaker 1: his best position is still in the slot, He's not
Speaker 1: necessarily that number one guy on the boundary that that
Speaker 1: I think is the one that you know that makes
Speaker 1: quarterbacks shy away, you know, because that guy on the
Speaker 1: boundaries is trying to take away that number one receiver
Speaker 1: for the other team. The Packers have had this hole
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and it reminds me it's
Speaker 1: not exactly the same situation, but it reminds me of
Speaker 1: what happened at the safety position when they lost Nick
Speaker 1: Collins back in two thousand eleven. It took too long
Speaker 1: to recover from that as as a unit to recover
Speaker 1: from losing such a key piece, And as I said,
Speaker 1: I think the Packers addressed it much sooner this time,
Speaker 1: but it didn't work out because Kevin King was not
Speaker 1: able to stay healthy. He was he was their top pick.
Speaker 1: But I think that's that's the thing that's got to
Speaker 1: happen for this defense as a as a as a
Speaker 1: starting point to get back to being a playoff caliber unit.
Speaker 1: And there is no ready made solution to making up
Speaker 1: for the loss of a Nick Collins or Sam Shields
Speaker 1: to some extent. Yeah, there's not exactly a playbook as
Speaker 1: to how you go about it, because you can have
Speaker 1: guys who are already on the roster step up, which
Speaker 1: is you know, eventually what happened with the Packers at
Speaker 1: safety when you had Morgan Burnett become the player he
Speaker 1: did you draft ha ha Clinton Dicks. They became deep
Speaker 1: at that position in a number of years afterwards, after
Speaker 1: they had the failed experiment in two thousand thirteen and
Speaker 1: in trying to move over to Charles Woodson in two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve. I look at the cornerback situation in very
Speaker 1: similar light now with where they're at because a guy
Speaker 1: like Sam Shields, why he was so valuable is because
Speaker 1: he was a great press man corner, but he also
Speaker 1: had tremendous speed in recovery speed and he did get beat. Uh,
Speaker 1: those are things you can't just teach. And to be
Speaker 1: quite honest with you, Mike, the Packers could go out
Speaker 1: in the free agent market. They could sign the number
Speaker 1: one cornerback who's going to be out there right now,
Speaker 1: which at this time I'm not even sure, and that's
Speaker 1: still not a guarantee. You saw even like with Gilmore
Speaker 1: this year with the Patriots, that was kind of a
Speaker 1: tough transition for him going to that defense as well,
Speaker 1: and he was one of the most coveted free agents
Speaker 1: last year. So I think the Packers have done a
Speaker 1: nice job of building up their depth at cornerback. They
Speaker 1: have to keep that position healthy, though into the original point,
Speaker 1: they probably need to add another piece to that spot
Speaker 1: this year, whether it is the draft, whether it is
Speaker 1: free agency. I think the one thing these past two
Speaker 1: years have taught us since Sam Shields had that ultimately
Speaker 1: would end up being a career ending injury with that
Speaker 1: glass concussion, is they need to there's really no shortage
Speaker 1: of cornerbacks. You need as many as you can get. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you can never have enough of them the way things
Speaker 1: usually go. But with that, we're going to toss to
Speaker 1: a rank back with more and Packers Unscripted right after this,
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair,
Speaker 1: Wes Hodkowitz in that one in West, continuing our discussion
Speaker 1: with regards to the defensive issues in that the Packers
Speaker 1: obviously will look to shore up in There was certainly
Speaker 1: some struggles with the pass rush, and yeah, there were
Speaker 1: some good sack numbers, Clay Matthews eight and a half
Speaker 1: leading the team overall, it wasn't it wasn't about the
Speaker 1: number of sacks though necessarily. It was about the I
Speaker 1: think anyway, the consistency of getting after the quarterback. There
Speaker 1: were too many times where there were long stretches in games.
Speaker 1: At least from the way I observed it that quarterbacks
Speaker 1: got too comfortable because the pass rush was so inconsistent.
Speaker 1: There wasn't enough consistent pressure to just keep that guy
Speaker 1: on his toes maybe a little bit more. And I
Speaker 1: think that's something the Packers have to address. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the Packers did their best going
Speaker 1: into this season to try to fill out that position
Speaker 1: as well as they could. They made the decision to
Speaker 1: bring in a Moad Brooks once the season started after
Speaker 1: he got cut loose from San Francisco, and you know
Speaker 1: he he had his issues there too, trying to work
Speaker 1: through the back injury, having the concussion right off the bat.
Speaker 1: Wasn't really able to be that number three guy. I
Speaker 1: think they were really hoping for this season. But you
Speaker 1: look at a guy like Nick Perry, and I remember
Speaker 1: talking with Perry in this very studio after he signed
Speaker 1: that contract going back to March, and there was nobody
Speaker 1: who wanted to perform more. There was nobody who wanted
Speaker 1: to stay on the field more than Nick Perry in
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. But as he kind of admitted afterwards
Speaker 1: in the final locker room session on Tuesday, do you
Speaker 1: get banged up in this league? And it happened again
Speaker 1: to him this year. He had the broken hand earlier
Speaker 1: in the season, had to get surgery, missed a game,
Speaker 1: played with the club for or five games, comes back,
Speaker 1: ends up having the shoulder, plays the end of the
Speaker 1: season on a foot injury, finally gets put on injured reserve.
Speaker 1: Finished the year with seven sacks, But I know, if
Speaker 1: you talk to him, wasn't happy with the consistency side
Speaker 1: of it. And you're right, it's one thing to get home.
Speaker 1: It's one thing to get those sacks. It's another thing
Speaker 1: to have that consistent pressure. It's kind of an immeasurable
Speaker 1: stat that's out there. And even though the Packers were
Speaker 1: seventeenth in the league in sacks, I think there was
Speaker 1: still something left to be desired at that point in time.
Speaker 1: Um even looking specifically at Matthews. I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: for all intensive purposes, I thought Clay Matthews had a
Speaker 1: fine season and he excelled in a lot of areas
Speaker 1: that didn't necessarily have direct high ins with the pass rush.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing is that they're still really looking
Speaker 1: for that consistent down in, down out pressure and it's
Speaker 1: something they're going to continue trying to find now going
Speaker 1: into the next season. Yeah, and consistent down in, down
Speaker 1: out pressure comes with a deep rotation. And you mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, things didn't work out with the mob Brooks.
Speaker 1: They did bring him in to really be the number
Speaker 1: three guy, to be the guy who could spell either
Speaker 1: Matthews or Perry on either side, or if you want
Speaker 1: to move Clay Matthews to the middle on a third
Speaker 1: down situation, for instance, then you have a mod Brooks
Speaker 1: on the outside. That didn't work. The Packers didn't really
Speaker 1: have the depth there to be as effective as they
Speaker 1: needed to be. That's just the bottom line. The other
Speaker 1: issue that I think when I look back statistically at
Speaker 1: what was going on with this Packers defense was was
Speaker 1: what happened in the red zone. Packers end up thirty
Speaker 1: feet in the league and touchdown percentage and actually allowed
Speaker 1: either a touchdown or a field goal on one pcent
Speaker 1: of red zone possessions by the opponent. That's just that's
Speaker 1: just ugly, there's no two ways about it. And when
Speaker 1: we've seen over the years West, even when the Packers
Speaker 1: have had their struggles on defense, you'd see Green Bay
Speaker 1: defenses get stops in the red zone, maybe get a
Speaker 1: turnover in the red zone. That takes some points off
Speaker 1: the board for the other team. You can give up
Speaker 1: four hundred yards in a game, but if you only
Speaker 1: allow say one touchdown in four red zone possessions and
Speaker 1: there's three field goals in there, that, uh, that's still
Speaker 1: a win formula. You can win games with Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: at quarterback playing defense like that. The Packers didn't play
Speaker 1: defense like that. The touchdown percentage was way too high.
Speaker 1: They didn't get any turnovers, fourth down stops, missed field goals,
Speaker 1: blocked field goals, nothing like that happened in the red zone.
Speaker 1: And it just adds up to season long struggles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the things too. I mean, you
Speaker 1: look at the defenses that did excel this year, the
Speaker 1: Minnesota's we're pretty stout in that area. When you're working
Speaker 1: with the short field. One of the things I think
Speaker 1: people sometimes don't always quite understand is when you as
Speaker 1: much as you don't want to give up yards, it's
Speaker 1: a lot more difficult to defend the field when you're
Speaker 1: at than when you're at your and you know, you
Speaker 1: have to sometimes use that to your advantage with the
Speaker 1: zone defensive calls and in those type of things, and
Speaker 1: you know, defensive backs understanding there's going to be more
Speaker 1: opportunities for you to make a play because you're dealing
Speaker 1: with this, you know, yards that you have to defend. Um.
Speaker 1: That was probably the most disappointing I think part of
Speaker 1: this for the Packers this season is that, and Blake
Speaker 1: Martinez said it to during the final locker room. Defense
Speaker 1: was often running, they were clicking like they wanted to.
Speaker 1: In the first month of the season, I think they
Speaker 1: were six in total defense, fifth maybe in passing defense,
Speaker 1: But it just seemed once they got into October and
Speaker 1: then's more specifically, once Rodgers was out of the equation,
Speaker 1: something that's just changed a little bit there that they
Speaker 1: weren't able to maybe find those stops in the red
Speaker 1: zone that they had found in the past to keep
Speaker 1: you know, seven off the board and just keep it
Speaker 1: to three or even get the ball taken away. Um,
Speaker 1: that really is how far this thing goes. I mean,
Speaker 1: a lot is made out of total defense. A lot
Speaker 1: is made out of total yards. It's an important stat
Speaker 1: to some extent, but that's scoring. Defense is just such
Speaker 1: a big thing because as you and I both know,
Speaker 1: you look back at that Chargers game two years ago,
Speaker 1: the Packers gave up i think five total passing yards
Speaker 1: to Philip Rivers. They won that game though with a
Speaker 1: defensive play at the end because the offense did what
Speaker 1: he needed to do in the Packers defended that end zone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that that the scoring still stayed in the low
Speaker 1: twenties because you got some red zone stops and you're
Speaker 1: able to win a ballgame like that. But with that,
Speaker 1: we'll toss to another breakback with more on Packers Unscripted
Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford
Speaker 1: right here, West, hod Kowitz, all the way over there, West.
Speaker 1: We're continuing to talk here about the Green Bay Packers
Speaker 1: defense in and maybe trying to look ahead a little
Speaker 1: bit to as far as what direction things will go.
Speaker 1: One veteran player in particular, that we can't say for
Speaker 1: sure whether he will be back or not, and he's
Speaker 1: kind of an uncharted territory personally as far as where
Speaker 1: he is in his own career. I'm talking about safety
Speaker 1: Morgan Burnett. He is a pending free agent and he's
Speaker 1: actually never really been in this position before because when
Speaker 1: he got his second contract, it was an extension, you know,
Speaker 1: while he was still I believe, had one year left
Speaker 1: on his rookie deal from when he was drafted as
Speaker 1: a third round pick in so um, kind of a
Speaker 1: whole new situation from Morgan, a veteran leader, a respected
Speaker 1: leader in that locker room, and on this defense, I
Speaker 1: know he wasn't as healthy as he would have liked
Speaker 1: to have been. In just your thoughts on maybe where
Speaker 1: this goes for number forty two, Well, here's the thing
Speaker 1: about Morgan Burnett that you have to understand it, and
Speaker 1: people were asking him about this in the final locker
Speaker 1: room as well. Morgan Burnett could very well potentially be
Speaker 1: in a better spot going into free agency right now
Speaker 1: if you'd have just played safety, if you'd have just
Speaker 1: did what his job description says, if you read his
Speaker 1: little box score in NFL dot Com. It's his strong safety.
Speaker 1: He might have been very well better off, but the
Speaker 1: Packers needed him for more than that. They needed him
Speaker 1: to play hybrid linebacker inside linebacker in the Nitro Nickel
Speaker 1: package the last month of the season. They need him
Speaker 1: to play star slot cornerback. Um he played boundary cornerback
Speaker 1: at one point in this season due to injuries and
Speaker 1: in different things of that nature. Morgan Burnett never never
Speaker 1: complained about it, and something. He's a two time playoff captain.
Speaker 1: He's one of the most revered men in that locker
Speaker 1: room amongst his teammates. And I asked him about that,
Speaker 1: like why exactly he thinks that is. And he's a
Speaker 1: humble guy. He's not going to be giving, you know,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be everyone to give himself a pat
Speaker 1: on the back. But he said, you know, it probably
Speaker 1: comes from his late father, cap and the way that
Speaker 1: he was raised in terms of just doing what has
Speaker 1: asked of you, you know, coming to work, giving an
Speaker 1: honest day's labor for an honest day's pay, and just
Speaker 1: being a good, accountable human being. And I think that's
Speaker 1: one thing is you look at his years here from
Speaker 1: two thousand ten all the way until now. Um, that's
Speaker 1: he's been so incredibly consistent. No, it never gets too high,
Speaker 1: it never gets too low. And you look at the
Speaker 1: guys that have comes through that locker room, Mike the
Speaker 1: Micah Hides, the ha ha, Clinton Dix is of the world,
Speaker 1: even Charles Woodson. I mean, so many people talk so
Speaker 1: glowingly about Burnett because he's just always been a guy
Speaker 1: that has been there, has been a shoulder for people
Speaker 1: when they've needed him, and he's willing to bring people up.
Speaker 1: He's just a really solid human being. Now, as you said,
Speaker 1: from the contract perspective, the Packers Morgan Burnetton to figure
Speaker 1: that out because for the first time in his career
Speaker 1: there isn't anything on the docket for next season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is going towards free agency at this point in time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you mentioned how humble he is. And I've obviously
Speaker 1: known Morgan since he was drafted in the third round,
Speaker 1: and I say this in a very complimentary way. He's
Speaker 1: humble to a fault. He never takes credit for anything. Um,
Speaker 1: even the great plays that he does make. He's always
Speaker 1: more willing to talk about any everything. Being a team
Speaker 1: effort with the defense and with all the different positions
Speaker 1: he played that you mentioned. That's the type of team
Speaker 1: player he is. That's that's the way there wouldn't you know, No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and they would. They would have groused about it. They
Speaker 1: would have found a reporter in the media. They would
Speaker 1: have gone to somebody in the media to get to
Speaker 1: get their anger or their frustration over the situation out there.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not Morgan. I would certainly, And this
Speaker 1: is just strictly from a personal sense. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the front office is going to think in terms
Speaker 1: of whether or to bring more Morgan Burnett back, But
Speaker 1: if he doesn't come back, I'll miss him just as
Speaker 1: a person as well as as well as somebody to
Speaker 1: talk to about the defense and and learn something about
Speaker 1: what's going on out there. Yeah. I learned a lot
Speaker 1: about the game from Morgan Burnette. And at the time
Speaker 1: which we're taping this, Mike McCarthy hasn't had his season
Speaker 1: any news conference. I don't know if he'll be asked
Speaker 1: about him, but going back even the last season, how
Speaker 1: complimentary he was of how Burnett moved into that new
Speaker 1: role for this defense, how big that was for the
Speaker 1: Packers down the stretch in two thousand and sixteen, and
Speaker 1: while they were kind of taken out of that due
Speaker 1: to the injuries in the secondary, the fact that he
Speaker 1: was that willing to take that on for the first
Speaker 1: half of the year, playing out of position, absorbing a
Speaker 1: lot of contact, getting injured in a couple occasions, never
Speaker 1: once complained about it. And I think that's one thing.
Speaker 1: Depending on whether number forty two is in the locker
Speaker 1: room or not in two thousand and eighteen, a lot
Speaker 1: of those teammates that knew him were better off because
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and you talk about one of the
Speaker 1: veteran guys in the locker room who and he doesn't
Speaker 1: talk about it this way either, but you know he's
Speaker 1: got that hunger to get to a Super brit because
Speaker 1: because his rookie year he goes on injured reserve after
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth game of the season with a
Speaker 1: knee injury. He's really not a part of that Super
Speaker 1: Bowl team in even though he was you know, he
Speaker 1: was drafted, he was on the roster. Then he gets
Speaker 1: put on I R and all that, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: on the field for it. He wasn't really a part
Speaker 1: of it, and he's been a mainstay in this defense
Speaker 1: ever since. And all of the playoff heartbreaks, the playoff
Speaker 1: close calls, everything along the way, He's been a part
Speaker 1: of every single one of them. You know, he wants
Speaker 1: to be maintained that leadership role in the Packers locker
Speaker 1: room and help lead this team back to a super Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I asked him that too, because you know, he
Speaker 1: came up with Jared Bush and Charles Woodson. He likes
Speaker 1: being that guy for Clinton Dixon to maryus Randol, the
Speaker 1: young guys to look to. And now we'll have to
Speaker 1: see exactly how it's going to play out this offseason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those stories will be keeping an eye on.
Speaker 1: But with that, we'll toss to a break back with
Speaker 1: more and Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to
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Speaker 1: Bay Packers. Okay, Wes, we've devoted this entire show to
Speaker 1: the defense and talking about a lot of struggles through
Speaker 1: trying to look ahead a little bit. But let's end
Speaker 1: this one with something to smile about. I want to
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on the Green Bay Packers defensive play
Speaker 1: of the Year in because there were a few big
Speaker 1: plays out there. Yeah, and there was, you know, before
Speaker 1: things took a turn in Carolina the Packers. I remember
Speaker 1: seeing this couple times on Twitter, some Packer fans saying
Speaker 1: that they sort of become the cardiac pack all over again.
Speaker 1: I think was kind of a mantra because there was
Speaker 1: some really tight games and I think you look at
Speaker 1: that Cleveland game, Uh, certainly, I know that wasn't a
Speaker 1: game the Packers wanted to be in a shootout with
Speaker 1: the Browns over But the thing that was impressive about
Speaker 1: is how they responded at the end of the game
Speaker 1: and more importantly the overtime. Clay Matthews, who had been
Speaker 1: dealing with the growing issue uh bounces right in there
Speaker 1: not only is able to get the pressure on Kaiser,
Speaker 1: but is able to stay with him long enough as
Speaker 1: he's kind of scrabbling around back there to get to
Speaker 1: hit his hand, make that ball kind of just hang
Speaker 1: up there a little bit. And then Josh Jones and
Speaker 1: a horde of Packers defenders kind of circling around, vulturing
Speaker 1: around that ball. Game of five hundreds. I was quoted
Speaker 1: saying to uh and and Josh Jones comes down with
Speaker 1: it the biggest play of his young career. That locker
Speaker 1: room You got a chance to be a part of
Speaker 1: it too. I mean that locker room atmosphere, what that
Speaker 1: celebration was like for that team. The records didn't matter
Speaker 1: at that point in time. They knew at that juncture
Speaker 1: the season. This kept them in the playoff hunt. It
Speaker 1: made it viable for Aaron Rodgers to return this season
Speaker 1: with play meaningful football um And while ultimately that didn't
Speaker 1: end up getting the Packers into the postseason, that moment
Speaker 1: I think probably didn't go down as one of the
Speaker 1: highlights of two thousand seventeen. Yeah, it definitely will, because
Speaker 1: it did keep the Packers in the hunt at the time.
Speaker 1: There are two of them that that jump out at me.
Speaker 1: They were both uh, defensive touchdowns in victories for Green Bay.
Speaker 1: One was Damarius Randall's pick six in Dallas, which uh,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of gets overshadow a little bit because
Speaker 1: of Aaron Rodgers just epic final drive on the road
Speaker 1: with the crowd going crazy and all that to take
Speaker 1: the Packers down for the victory. But the pick six
Speaker 1: earlier in the game by Randall, and I know he
Speaker 1: ended up getting, you know, a penalty, but I actually
Speaker 1: kind of the whole mocking of Derek Prescott celebration with
Speaker 1: the crossed arms, you know, I actually got a kick
Speaker 1: out of that. But um, the other one, though, is
Speaker 1: is big Number ninety four watching Dean Lowry rumbling, bumble
Speaker 1: and stumble as as folks like to say, down the
Speaker 1: field against Tampa Bay for that defensive touchdown. And I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember now, Jamis Winston loses control of the ball.
Speaker 1: Was it was it was it Daniels or Clark Clark Clark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark knocked it out of his hand, and uh, Lowry,
Speaker 1: it's it's like, you know, Merry Christmas. There's the ball
Speaker 1: right in his hands and and off he goes and hey,
Speaker 1: nobody caught him. No, they didn't, and it was funny.
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews had one of the quotes of the year afterwards, saying, well,
Speaker 1: that's a guy with the eight forty or whatever it
Speaker 1: was of the combine coming out of Northwestern. But a
Speaker 1: huge day for Dean Lowry. The Lambeau Leap didn't exactly
Speaker 1: go the way he wanted it to after running sixty
Speaker 1: one yards down the field. His tank was a little
Speaker 1: empty at that point, but it was It was a
Speaker 1: big play in a season I think, a big place
Speaker 1: for that defensive line, especially those young guys. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: well with that, we will call it a wrap on
Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscript. Would be sure to follow
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