WEBVTT - Ep. 415: The Element 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is Me Eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.680 bug bitten in my case underwear listening to Hunt E podcast, 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:23.360 you can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.920 versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:36.000 for every hunt first, like go farther, stay longer, all everybody, 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:40.400 it's like the Alamo in here. So much Texas is 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:45.400 in the room. It's like the Alamo. Especially like the 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.760 Alamo because those dudes weren't Texans. Not really a lot 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.600 of more like like Crockett, he did he just We've 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.840 covered this. Crockett had just shown up in town. Dude, 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.160 how do you die? Yeah? Was he there? He was there? 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:06.240 And I think he quit me too. I think he's surrendered. Yep. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.880 Texans don't like embrace Crockett. I don't think like some 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.440 of the movies make the ALBUMO thing out to be, 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.600 Oh you're not. Oh see, I get a whole different 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.360 Like Jesse Griffiths, he gets he gets visibly uncomfortable when 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.039 he started talking about he's South Texan though, you know 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:26.200 so yeah, so you guys are so so layout We're like, well, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.160 first of all, I cover out, we're gonna get to 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.160 your Texas. You guys are both born in like actual Texas, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:37.160 real Texans. But then this is Jordan's Sailers first time. 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.120 So are you pronounced your name Stillers? Stillers yea. I 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:43.760 used to think of Silers just from reading it too much. Stillers. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:48.800 It's actually a very uncommon last name. Uh, You're not 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:53.520 You're you're barely even American. Man. Yeah, I live in Texas. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.360 Now I've been embraced. I've married into the state. You 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:01.760 could say, born in Winnipeg, Canada. Up. Born in Winnipeg. Um, 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.000 lived there for well, lived in Calgary, actually for five 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.760 years in Alberta, and then moved to Texas when I 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.840 was seven. And then we moved to Virginia when I 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.400 was eleven. Um, and that's where my parents still are. 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.000 But now I live in Texas. Why were they Why 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.919 were they doing all that moving around for my dad 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.320 to go to grad school and then Virginia is where 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.960 he found a job out of college. If you go, 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:31.840 if you spend much time on our website, you've probably 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:38.400 read many of Jordan's uh caliber battles, gun battles. Yeah, 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.120 that's me, he writes. The comparison contrast dude. The other day, 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.079 I was actually doing a little comparison contrast research and 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.960 I want to just from Google Search, I want to 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.280 read one of your damn articles. Good, good, that's what 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.040 we want. We want it showing right up there, showing 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:58.560 right up. Yeah, I read it for real. Yeah. Yeah. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.839 I had a buddy just tell me the other day. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.880 He was like, I'm trying to figure out whether I forget. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.600 It was like three or eight or six five, and 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.760 I found this article. I started reading it and I 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:09.480 looked up and I realized, hey, I know that guy. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.639 So yeah, trying to think about when I was digging 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:17.399 into I think I was digging into the um two 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:29.520 fifty seven weather be versus the the whether the man. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.840 I've written a lot of these. I'd have to look 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.640 it at. There's like a twenty six on six right 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:38.680 or something like that, Like, would it makes sense that 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.040 I was comparing the two seven weather be with the 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:46.360 six Yeah? I think so they're both caliber cost difference 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.560 on the AMMO. Yeah. Yeah, that's big. That's big. And 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:53.200 that's something I think people don't often like think about 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.360 when they're buying a gun. Yeah, and then they go 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.840 try to buy m O and because it I think 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.360 it has to be cheap enough to pray just with. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:02.520 You know, you want to be able to go out 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.080 and practice with the gun. You're gonna you're gonna use 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.839 hunting and if the AMMO is too expensive, you can't 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.200 really do that. So how do you get when you're 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.839 doing a caliber battle? How do you break it down? Uh? 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.480 So the first categories ballistics UM, which is just like 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.080 how fast is the bullet going, what is it weigh 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.000 what's the energy? Um? And then the second is shootability. 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.479 So we talked about um the recoil, so we we 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.720 say how much does it hurt your shoulder and your wallet? Um? So, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.000 how much does it recoil? And then how much does 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.120 the AMMO cost? And then we look at versatility. It's 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:37.360 the last one. You know what I think is the 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.599 least shootable gun on the planet, even though I've owned 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:45.320 him and like them. Yeah is the seven? Yeah? How is? 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.479 It doesn't make sense? It is the fastest punch to 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:54.760 the head. It's like it's the most accelerated punch to 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:59.400 your jaw comes so fast. Yeah, for a while I 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:00.960 was shooting, is said, have a millimane or three s 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.000 h and three SEV and H kicks, but it's like 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.440 it takes five minutes for the kick to play out. Yeah, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:12.000 so it's not that bad. It's like yeah, yeah, it 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:13.960 depends on the weight of the gun to seven MILLI 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:18.560 like pop, that's what I was purchased as my first 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:23.320 deer off like nine years old. Oh yeah, it's like, 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.520 why are my teeth? I'm surprised. I'm surprised you stuck 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:33.680 with it. I'm a bone hunter now. The Yeah, so shootability, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.400 which is that yep? And then versatility. We talked about 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.080 kind of the range of animals that can be taken with, 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:42.640 which comes out on how many loads you can get 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.880 for it. In some respects, Yeah, a lot of times 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.000 it's like the range of bullet weights. Um so if 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.320 you have something that can go down to kind of 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.560 those light varmint bullets and then up to like you know, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.800 elk and moose, then it's it has a good range. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.920 I was thinking today you should do like, um, like 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.760 imagine it all that ship's like the playoffs? Right no, no, no, 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:12.440 that was all regular season, right sports sports analogies, God 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.080 bless you for trying to you know, someone should start 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.160 app it'd be a great app. Politicians will be able 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:19.960 to use it and stuff where you type in the 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:24.360 thing and then it generates a sports analogy. That's good. Yeah, 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.120 So you could be like, if you're just trying to 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.320 connect with the common man, I could use that. You 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.760 can like type it in and it's spit out like 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:36.120 a like a yeah, great sports analogy, new kind of yeah, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.839 a new kind of AI. So to put into sports analogy, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.760 it has been the regular season, Yeah yeah, you're gonna 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:48.080 have the playoffs and then you're gonna have the ind 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:54.880 five so close and then you're gonna have Yeah. Yeah, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.000 I've thought about doing a kind of March Madness like Brackett, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:03.400 you know, just just to throw another analogy out there. Yeah. Yeah. 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.520 It starts to be tricky because like if you're comparing 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.360 like a like a twenty too long rifle, it's like 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.000 a three o eight. It's like it's hard to really 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:19.320 but I think that you would wind up doing um, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.880 like you know, like small game. Yeah, there you go, 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.400 different greatest of the greatest, like verse, you could do 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.240 the greatest versatile big game gun. There you go, like 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.320 you're gonna buy one of them, Lord knows, who knows 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:36.680 what you're gonna go do with it. Yeah. Uh another 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.360 question for it would be too late now Auxid already 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.240 came out. Yeah, but you're you're you guys are working 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:46.560 on a big expose. Yeah, the beaver expose. Yeah, the 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:52.000 beaver letter right yeah, um yeah, it's coming out today 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.080 the day we're recording the podcast. So, um, you only 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.280 just go into it, no, just give it a quick 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.880 like a quick of course. Okay. Yeah. So um uh 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:06.680 this letter from an organization called the Western Watersheds Project. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.080 They're gonna send a letter to the President Joe Biden, 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:15.480 um requesting that he's uh past an executive order that 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.280 bands beaver hunting and trapping on all federal public land 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.080 in the US. Um. So the article, we we're kind 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.640 of going to break that down and and investigate that. 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:31.360 So meaning uh one wildlife manager put it like, uh, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.040 you're taking a sledge hammer to an issue that requires 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.840 a scalpel. Yeah. We had a little bit of chuckle 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.600 about this. Can we just can we talk about this 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:45.160 at all? Yeah? I think so what they're saying is 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.280 there's some that they're they're saying that like, because of 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.080 climate change issues, it's better to have more beavers out there. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:58.640 Holding back more water. Um. But then simultaneous with them 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.440 writing this letter is a out of reporting coming out 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:06.480 of the Arctic where beavers are invading the Arctic because 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.680 the climate change and they're exacerbating climate change because of 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.880 their activities in the Arctic. So then here you have 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.640 these guys making this really ham handed. This gets this 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.920 gets funny in the minute, making this very ham handed thing, 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.920 like all federally managed public lands, well the American Arctic 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:30.160 is I don't know what nine federally managed public lands. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.520 So you're saying to mitigate climate change, we're going to 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.280 remove a tool you would use to address climate change. 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.520 And then Jordan goes to them for comments and they're like, oh, 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.720 we didn't really think about that. Hold on, will adjust 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:50.880 the letter? Yeah yeah. They they say they haven't seen 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.520 the adjusted that they haven't seen the adjusted letter. Yeah yeah, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.439 which by the time, you know, by the time you're 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.000 listening to this, maybe they've made those adjustments. But yeah, 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.360 and I pointed, in our own state, you have very 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.920 fine tuned management of the resource. And I counted up, 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:10.280 so you have they're managed across seven regions. Eleven counties 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.240 have closures. This is not a thing that they no 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.120 one's willy nilly about the management of the resource. Yeah, 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.640 you have state for bear biologist, you know. I mean 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.800 to be like, well, I'm gonna talk to him, President Biden, 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.079 and he's going to end the whole thing. Yeah. No, 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.160 do you people know what you're doing? Yeah, I mean 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.760 they have a sound like, well they do. I mean, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.160 that's pretty much what they say that. They have a 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.600 line in the letter that talks about how state game 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:44.600 agencies are kind of beholden to hunters, and that's why 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.600 it's interesting that they say that Native they they feel 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.920 that Native Americans would still be allowed to hunt beavers. Yeah, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:56.680 they because those ones, those beavers don't help climate change. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.960 they have. Those beavers are not helpful. They have a 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:03.800 few exceptions, one of which are our Native Americans. Yeah, 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:09.000 those beavers, like bro I was gonna hurt climate change. Um. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.880 Jordan's also a huge help on Cal's Weekend Review as well. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.880 So I just want to throw that out there, rock Star. Yeah, 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.160 I've been I've been helping Cale with that podcast for 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:22.240 a long time. That's really fun. Hunter Spencer's here. Tell 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.120 him about the work you've been doing on the blue 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:32.520 collar Scholars Uh. The Wild mill uh Wild milking Uh competition. 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.440 Tommy Edson, the blue collar scholar, has been on the 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.720 show before as as a trivia guest. He thought he 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.080 kicks acid trivia. We had him out. He got beat bad. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:43.880 I later learned that part of his secret is that 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:52.200 he pauses to think, and explaining he pauses to think, 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.160 so that's a problem. He is on a is the 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.679 rodeo event I didn't know about where you hold down 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.439 cows and milk him. Yeah. I think the guy like it. 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.440 It looks like it's like a team of three or four. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.079 I think two of them are supposed to be able 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.240 to go out there and and rope it in some 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.520 form or grab it by by the head, and whoever 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.280 you can get And then you've got the guy that's 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:25.000 got the milk you know the container. Um, Yeah, and 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.760 whoever gets the milk fastest and sprints back to the judge. Yeah, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.080 he's got a team. He wanted. We're gonna sponsor his team. 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.040 You know how much cost a sponsor his Wild Milk 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:39.839 team Bucks. However, he says he's going to donate all 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:44.000 the windings back that will roll into the l A. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.800 I so we could come out ahead. Is he a 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:50.640 raw milk drinker? That's a great question. I bet he 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:58.800 gets a little in there. I'm just n no, Yeah, 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.000 he might be at the bottom of the horse you so, 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:07.480 uh yeah, yeah, there might be a gnome writing a 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.080 wild Well, yeah, I want. I wanted to Hunter to 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.600 be like, dude, you need to make a logo for 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.240 his milk rodeo team. And then a Hunter was supposed 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.440 to be doing normal stuffer his job. Someone found out, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.839 someone named Tracy found out that I've done this half 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:24.440 a plectic that I would have taken Tommy Wild. I 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.160 was like, we need a logo for Tommy's Wild Milk team. 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:29.800 And then I later learned you're supposed to have You 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.240 had other stuff you're supposed to be working on. But 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.920 it's the it's our nome friend riding a big milk 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.800 and cow with a jug of milk, and it's bucking. 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:44.959 He's riding a bucking milk cow. Ye celebratory lap around 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.839 the ring with his h jugging milk. Dude. I think 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:50.760 that people are gonna when we when we finished that 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.480 T shirt, that's gonna be a hot selling T shirt. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.640 It's gonna be I don't know if it messes up 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.800 Tommy that his team will have a shirt that's like 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.160 widely available to the public. I think it'll go on 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:04.960 an audience sports put this into the sports analogy. We're 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:12.600 going back to that that that professional sports players. You 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.280 drank milk when you win the ND five. D Oh 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:19.880 you do it? Champagne? Yeah, champagne. No, there's like all 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.040 milk drinking thing. Yeah, it's like, yeah, if your leg 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:29.440 tols a tolerant or allergic to dairy milk. We gotta 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.800 put the bottom of the horseshoe on that shirt and 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:38.440 then it'll be very applicable when people show you what's 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.960 on a dollar bill, all the crazy ship and symbolism 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:45.080 on there, you know, like the yeah, I'll have a 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:46.760 little horseshoe on there and people are looking at it. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:50.760 You know what that means, don't you? Um? Okay, keep 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:53.480 the guys from the Element are here. Can you guys 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.000 introduce yourselves. Then we gotta do a couple of things 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.280 that we're gonna dig in heavy duty. I'm Tyler Jones, 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.400 and um, I've got two kids in a while, and 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.560 I like to bow hunt deer. There you go, yeah, 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.840 says it all Um Casey Smith and Tyler Jones took 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.440 my answer. So, yeah, Texas. You guys each have a 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.560 wife and two kids yesterday, and you both like to 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.640 hunt deer. Absolutely, so we're gonna we're gonna spend a 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.760 bunch of time with the with Tyler Casey. But if 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.080 you go into YouTube whatever type in the element, you'll 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.320 find find a lot of these guys, uh dear bow 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:25.200 hunting materials all over the place. Do a little bit 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:30.440 of that of Texas land public well some no, yeah, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.120 a little bit. Um. What's kind of how we had 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.920 to start. Not to say a lot of Texas public 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.160 land is a little bit a misnomer there. Yeah, well 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.720 just uh that's where we kind of started doing this 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.240 stuff and filming and all that, because you had to. Yeah, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.480 it's what's close to home, and we're kind of priced 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.560 out of the leasing game, you know, So that's what 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:55.040 we started doing together. Old I started hunting public land 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.720 and Texas when I was about toil Thank for white tails. Yeah. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.080 I grew up duck hunting public around mostly that's what that's. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.200 My dad owns a fishing lodge on like fork and 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:10.200 you know, naturally there's the birds around. So grew up 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.240 hunting like fork for ducks, and you guys both got started. Yon, Yeah, 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.480 I was probably. I started warter fou hunting about eight 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:22.400 so deer hunting next year after that, and bo hunting 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.320 about sixteen. That's great, we're gonna dig into that. We 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:26.840 gotta talk. So Cran, you want to talk abou the 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:31.800 bottom of the Horseshoe. Okay, the guy rode in. You're 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.840 gonna do it? Oh you just you just didn't you 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:35.680 just say that. I'd love it if you did it. No, 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.680 I don't want to do it. You need to practice. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:44.000 You need to practice. Present here we go. Do you 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.160 want me to do it? I think you should do it. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.520 I think it's funnier if you do it. Yeah, you'll 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.720 be reading the list out loud and chuckling about it. 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.600 So we had an episode called lung King. Oh it 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.680 was named after the liver King, but I think there 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.400 was there like a big liver King expose. Oh yeah, 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.400 he's totally up. Everybody knows that. I mean, just look, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:07.879 he had ad implants. He did that too. He was 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.000 just a really heavy socle and was saying, you know, 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.320 all the raw meat was what was making him big. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.399 Fellow Tex for sure, yeah, I should have had him 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.880 in here. Well, you know what I need to talk about? 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.400 Can you hear me from it? I forgot a whole 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.359 thing top about Tommy Edson. He like he like like 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.480 he's like Seth and he seems to be like he's 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.520 always shopping for a boat, like perpetually shops for boats. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.040 How many does he own? I don't know one. I 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.440 don't know. He's always shopping for boats. He sent me. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:44.280 I gotta I gotta slightly edit this. He sent me 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.240 a boat listing for a boat that's up for sale 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.080 right now on offer up. Does he want need to 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.280 check to see if it's like legit? No, I gotta 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.440 edit it because it's um. Remember in the movie Spinal Tap, 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.200 he gets accused of being sexes, but he doesn't know 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:58.960 what it means and thinks he says, what's wrong with 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.119 being sexy? No, didn't see a spinal Tap. It's in 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.880 my top five movies of all time. I gotta slightly 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.840 eye at this. Tommy sent me this boat he wants. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:13.320 This boat listed is my sixteen foot tracker deep v pro. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:18.000 This boat is a fish killing bastard. It should be outlawed. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.280 And forty nine of fifty states, why not all fifty 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.160 because no one fishes in California. Here's the thing, though, 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.080 I looked it up this morning. California has twice as 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:34.400 many fishermen as Washington. California has just over two million fishermen. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:44.280 Washington has less than a million. It's easy, my mom, 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.600 I was, I was watching. My mom gets news only 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.399 from one place, Like she only watches Fox News because 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.200 it doesn't even go read other news like that elsewhere. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.160 So in her mind, the news is what they cover. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.040 She said to be there morning, we're watching Fox News, 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.240 and she said this countr would be a lot better 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.560 if they got rid of New York California. And I said, 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.200 what do you mean, mom, because of the crime. Yes, 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:10.440 So I said, well, let's take a look. So I 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.600 started researching violent crime and I didn't spend much time 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.720 on it, but I found one thing that's like, Mom, 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.119 if you're gonna ditch states because of violent crime, you 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.480 gotta get rid of Arkansas. First. Well, I don't know 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:29.840 about that. I was like, here's filer crime per hundred 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.439 thousand people, and there you can't even like like if 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:37.560 I was like, California's like eleven. Oh, there's a lot 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.800 of hate, a bunch of people like Clay running around 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:48.440 in Arkansas. Crime that is an oxym. I'm not gonna 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.200 read the rest of it. It's a great boat description, 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.919 but just strive me like how just casually you can 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:58.040 throw hate their way. You know, facts be damned not 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:00.880 to mention it's a huge large mouth bass fisher. That'll 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.840 tell you. Yeah. We had a big conversation with two 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.560 airline pilots on the way over yesterday, one of them 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.480 from California, and we were names. Um. We were just 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.840 talk about word from and we told him kind of 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.359 what we did and he was like, oh, yeah, I 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:16.080 know some people at fish or something like that. You know. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:20.920 So the pilot says, you, where are you from? Yeah? 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.120 We and we we talked about like four yeah, because 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:27.840 people know we're like four yeah. Yeah. To give you 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:32.400 the little wings that you can pin under your used 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.199 to give it out with peanuts. But my kids, when 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:37.400 I was a kid, I had that on the wall. 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:40.440 I had this, they do I've been seen one since 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.280 I was a child. Well there's a reason for that. 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.320 Do you ask the tour of the cockpit, I do not. 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.080 I'm the long King episode. We got to talking about 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.879 the bottom of the horse shoe, where the right and 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:02.000 the left come back together and meet. You're following me, 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:05.600 like picture of horse shoes, hang with the open end up, 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.679 and he's like, the political right the political left, Well, 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.920 there's areas where they get along at the bottom of it. 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.840 This guy says, I've worked in politics in various shapes 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:17.879 and forms for more than fifteen years, and working in 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.840 a legislative office. A number of staff members have noticed 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.840 this phenomenon over the years based on the context we 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.159 have received in our office. Here's some of the topics 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:35.400 to include pro raw milk, let's go, pro home schooling, 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:44.119 anti five G, anti fluoride and water, pro home baked 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:48.879 and other goods. Wait, but the parenthetical statement parenthetical for 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.679 sale at farmers market and not prepared and an inspected 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:56.920 commercial kitchen. I get that carrot cake and banana bread 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.159 from the hutter rights all the time at the local 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:11.440 Anti contrails, chemtrails, COVID you and Agenda one, natural pathic doctors, 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:16.560 and essential oils. So when I write my book called 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.840 the Bottom of the Horseshoe, which is an exploration of 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:23.640 where we how areas where we all get along, we'll 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:27.440 be able to include those in there on raw milk 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.440 another man, So there was was there a lot of 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:36.240 a lot of raw milk? A lot of feedback? Guys says, 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.719 I like the perspective of Dr Reisman on episode four 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.359 O nine. Is refreshing to hear doctor questions some of 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:45.920 the norms without being a pseudo scientist quack. I grew 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:48.399 up farming and we always drank fresh, raw milk for 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:52.240 practical reasons. I never thought much of it until I 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:54.320 fell in love with and married a city girl. When 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.000 we settled down and started a family, naturally, I bought 0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:05.439 a cow, as one does pretty quickly float Pretty quickly, folks, 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.280 including my wife, had me questioning whether it was safe 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.480 for my children to drink the milk from my cow. 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:13.800 One day, I was on the phone feeling guilty with 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.680 a farmer friend, debating if I wasn't irresponsible parent because 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.360 I was giving my kids raw milk. Can I interject 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:24.680 real quick? My dad would bring home raw milk and 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:29.359 we called it cow's milk. He's like, it's all cow's milk, 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.800 But for some reason in our head, raw milk is 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:36.120 cow's milk to be differentiated from milk, which came from 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:41.000 heaven like the suck he brought home. Dude had like 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:45.480 grass floating it. Man, it was his body was a 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:48.000 dairy farmer named Mr Overley, and he brought home milk. 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.439 You had like this milk? Would like separate out right? 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:56.959 Um back to the letter. As I was standing there 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.040 on the phone, my one point five year old son 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:00.720 was crawling around the are next to me. I was 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:02.520 pretty stressed out when I looked down to try and 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.200 figure out what my son was so focused on. As 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.400 I watched him, he was crawling behind the barnyard ducks 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:10.600 with a determined look on his face. As the ducks 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:13.119 would take a ship, he would quickly grab it up 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.160 and eat it, then proceed to continue following the ducks, 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:20.399 obviously looking for more. I cut my friend off on 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:24.200 the phone and said, he says a naughty word here. 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:27.800 He said, to hell with it. The milk is not 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:33.280 going to hurt him. It's good thinking. Have your kids 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.880 ever eating duck poop? One time we were squirrel hunting, 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:38.080 and my daughter we told the story last night at 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.399 the dinner table, We're duck hunting. I turned around. My 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:49.480 dag's spitting yeah, eating dear ship. Look like little chocolates 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:52.920 and I was like rosy eating this and I held 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:59.159 up for dear ship and she's it looked brown M 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:04.680 and m' you got you got you guys ready for 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:08.199 ethics one. Absolutely, it's about tree stance song and put 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:09.520 it to the I'm gonna put it to the to 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.320 the element. Boys here, why you why are you justtured 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:15.840 towards your colleague, because we've had some experience with this 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.000 and you'll have some good anecdotal thoughts here. Do you 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.880 guys know we we have a thing called Chatticotte, which 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:27.040 is Chester. If you combine Chester and etiquette, chat makes sense. 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:28.640 That's one of our favorite things today is to find 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.440 two words. Yeah, we did all time. Also, if you 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:33.680 have a series of three words, will take the first 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.840 letter of each of those and yeah, which happens more 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.440 often than you think in the English language, like little 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:45.400 buck down. Yeah, there's a like a an adjective, a noun, 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.800 and a verb. It's a thing that happens in the 0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:54.240 English language. So yeah, like h b H yeah or 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.119 b h A. They have a new one for that. 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.399 They're telling me this morning. Shoot at guys. Yeah, So 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.480 there's this like orzation out there called b h A. 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:04.800 Are you familiar with it? It's called the Bozeman Had Association. 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.159 So it's you and this is Tyler's by the way, 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:09.440 this is how you came up with this. He's the 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:14.040 genius here. But like there's a certain membership here in 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:18.480 Bozeman of hat wearers that are unlike other places. Right, So, 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.000 like if you're a member of the Bozeman Had Association, 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.639 there's a couple of qualifications, a couple of what do 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:27.040 they call them, um, you know, different groups within the group, right, um. 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.280 But there's like the flat bill like cowboy hat but 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:33.240 not that's kind of felt. And then there's like another 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:37.200 cowboy hat but not it's like Montana like that wolf 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.720 felt kind of hat. Yeah, like Indiana Jones head yeah 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.000 kind of yeah yeah yeah, but I mean a lot 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.920 of gals wear that I guess would be like, oh yeah, 0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:49.520 will wear it for sure. Yeah. It's it's got a 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.399 bigger brand than in Fedora. Yeah yeah yeah. And then 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:54.960 it's kind of like yeah, it's like you're kind of 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:59.880 half hopping through the Daisies kind of half Western yeah yeah, yeah, 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.760 yeah yeah, those are members of the Daisies. And then 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:07.480 there's like maybe like a a chet hat or somebody 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:09.320 like that that has like it's kind of like the 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:11.440 fly fish and hat that has a rope across you know, 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:13.880 kind of the between the bill and the top there. 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:15.960 In other words, when we were at d f W, 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.560 that's not that's an Austin hat bro Well those places 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:25.800 there are h members in Austin. For the Branch Act. 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.200 We knew the gate that we were supposed to be 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.960 in just by looking at the v h A. Membership 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.520 at the gate W changed a few times and we 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.760 followed the we have to see what because yeah, the 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.960 rope pad is retro you're like harkening back to a 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.440 simpler time when old men had those hats like that 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:49.600 cat usually one by people who can't remember those times. 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.920 Actually the second hand information, no, I think they're a 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.200 little aware that it's like harkening back to a different times. 0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.199 There's all of the that there's a t T bit 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:05.880 of irony. M hmm. Irony makes it fun for sure. Yeah. Yeah, 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.359 So those are the two main categories. Yeah, those are 0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.359 two main ones. And and then there's like a bridge 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.200 between all that where it's like if it has a 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.680 little bit of like jade on it or something like that. 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.720 You know what like that whatever the bluestone is, um, 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:26.400 you know kind of a design turise turquoise, yeah, not turquoise. Yeah. 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:29.080 What about when you you get yourself a king rope 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.240 pad even though you've never been within fifty ft of 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.399 a of a of a rope being used. I'm not 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.280 faguing with a king Rob Pad. What does that? Somehow 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:39.800 I don't understand it. Well, it's a company that makes 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:44.640 roping ropes. Okay, yeah, but if you like to ski 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:48.120 a lot, you get yourself a king rope pat as 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.240 though you're roping. Well, there's a little bit of correlation. 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:53.239 You do a little more, Yes, got to spend more time. 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.120 Deal You're you're you're definitely assuming that being a text 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.320 it makes you cowboy. That's what they're talking about, the 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:00.440 king Rob pad. If you google it, it's exactly what 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:04.840 they're talking about. That. Like with the it's like a 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.680 little flat where the forehead is, and then it's like 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.800 a shorter bill and there's a rope across and it's 0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:16.600 like two toned, often including corduroy. Got you so skiers 0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.720 do that? Here? It means you like to ski a lot? Okay, 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.320 which is weird because there's a big ski area here 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:26.160 near here called Big Sky, and if you go to 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.880 the hotel there, they don't dress up like their skiing. 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:32.320 They dress up like their cattle ranchers. They make the 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:38.240 valets and stuff dress like their cattle ranchers. When you're 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:43.520 sort of like the antithesis, it's the throwback still second information. 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.320 There's like a thing it would be like if you 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.280 were at a place trying to think of it. Put 0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:52.239 this into the sports analogy. Let's go to be up 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:54.880 to work in Big Sky with a cattle rancher outfit 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.800 on would be like if you worked at Peda and 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:04.440 wore a ink coat. Mm hmm. That's not sports. No, 0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:09.640 it's different. You guys right for this check question. I 0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:12.640 have a cheka question to submit to the council. But 0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:17.240 you guys are honorary right now. I hung a climb 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.480 and stand on public land in October, about a mile 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.320 from the road. I killed a buck from it. In November. 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:25.920 I hunted one day in early I'm already getting confused. 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:29.680 I gotta back up. I didn't I was gonna get 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:33.600 this complicated. Those dates don't matter too much. I hung 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:35.640 a no, No, I'm paying attention to Sometimes I go 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:39.440 into things thinking the not complicating. I hung a climb 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:43.239 and stand on public land in October a mile from 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:49.120 the road, killed a buck from it in November. I 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:55.360 hunted one day in early December. Guess track. Up to 0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:57.760 that point, I had seen no sign of other hunters 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:01.680 in the area. After each set, I left the stand 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:08.920 at the bottom of the tree. I hunted today and 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.560 when I got to my stand, someone had hung a climber. 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:19.280 I love it. Yeah, I'm sorry. Today when I got 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.880 to my stand, so I had hung a climber in 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:27.480 the same tree above my stand. I love it, dude, 0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:35.320 I've never heard of that happening. I had to unhook 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.800 my stand and reattach it above the other stand to 0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:44.560 climb the tree. That's a great story. I ended up 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:46.520 shooting a dough right at dusk and climbed down in 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.160 a hurry because it wasn't sure how good the hit was. Well, 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:55.800 it doesn't make a help less sense. True. It depends 0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.200 on where you here. Yeah, whatever, whatever about the story. 0:31:58.240 --> 0:31:59.920 Maybe you want to just go look at their Maybe 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.480 you need something we don't. I intended to put my stamp. 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:03.920 I like that that you're sticking up for the guy. 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:08.000 It's good. So you're not like people on social media. 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.680 No matter what you do, they find a problem. You 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.720 should be liked. Be great social media for Sona. Instead 0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:15.680 of being like, I wouldn't skin it that way, I 0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:19.760 wouldn't do that that way, be like, um, just be 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:21.200 like a kind of guy who goes on social in 0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:24.120 the comments to actually be like, uh, you know, really interesting. 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.000 I'm sure he had a wonderful I'm sure he had 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.000 a great justification for the way he did it. No, 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:32.960 he's a supportive soul. He does youth ministry. Yea sometimes 0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.880 Uh probably am just being nice because you know, who knows? 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:40.680 Who knows? Uh, you have a what's the comment that 0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:43.440 um that guy made on So we have a pretty 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.200 viral video of Tyler shooting a big buck at a 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.000 long range and smoked it right, But it's still there's 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:50.840 always somebody who's like, oh, it's the guts, you know, 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:53.360 it's kind of ridiculous. But this dude was like, it 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.720 wouldn't matter if you smoked a deer he died inside. 0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:57.600 You use the same broadhead to skin him and gut 0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:59.480 even packed him out on your back. There'd be somebody 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:07.160 telling you use the wrong product. Yeah, okay, So back 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:11.280 to our back to our individual the lead the tree 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.080 stand leap froggers. I ended up shooting a doll right 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:15.640 at dust and climbed down in a hurry because I 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.040 wasn't sure how good the hit was. I intended to 0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:21.480 put my stand back. I intended to put my stand 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:25.360 back on the bottom, thinking the other hunter would probably 0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:27.760 the next one he used the tree, but in the 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.080 heat of the moment, I forgot. So now he has 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.280 left his stand on top of the other man stand. 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:37.440 So my question is, what is the move if someone 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:41.680 does this? Have I potentially escalated the situation by leap 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:46.680 frogging the others hunters stand after he leap frogged mine, 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.320 goes on, I'm gonna I'm gonna go on. He has 0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:55.120 a couple of clarifying points. I have a toddler and 0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:57.480 pregnant wife at home. Here he's playing the sympathy card, 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:01.560 so I rarely get the scout hunt. I've also killed 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:03.320 two deer from this stand, and I'm not eager to 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.720 give up my spot. I'm happy to share its public land, 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:07.480 but I'm not sure what my next move should be. 0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.440 I should point out that none of my stuff was 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:15.440 bothered or stolen, so take that into consideration when assessing 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:22.520 potential etiquette violations. I got a lot to safe, would 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:27.800 take it away. I love this question man um. Sometimes 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:31.680 without getting too deep tactically, the tree is the tree. 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:33.799 You have to be in that tree to kill deer 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.359 in that spot. I feel like as a bow hunter 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.800 with a gun, it's a little less maybe so, but 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:45.680 I can see I've actually been in this this position 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:50.640 before the leap froggerum or the leap frog. So I 0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:53.919 killed a deer from a tree in and the next 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.200 year there was a tree stand in that tree. And 0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:02.000 you can't claim a spot in the state with a 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:06.040 tree stand. You can you can legally hunt somebody else's 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:09.040 tree stand if they're not there. So, but this is 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:10.960 the tree, and this state does not have a lot 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.920 of trees in it. So it's one of those situations 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:18.440 where I have continue to hunt that tree some um. 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.600 But I don't know, it's just, uh, it's it's really 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:26.359 like as far as what he's asking, um, I mean, 0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:28.480 you never know if you're gonna escalated situation. You don't 0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:32.759 know what that guy's thinking, right, So Um, you try 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.319 not to, certainly, but it's kind of weird when guys 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.120 are walking around with deadly weapons out in the woods 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.920 and you don't know what their demeanor is, you know. Um, 0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.360 I just think that if there's nothing messed up, this 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.839 is the same it's the same situation like leaving trail 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:50.080 cameras out you you, you know, try to be respectful 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.360 of other people's trail cameras and hope that they do 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:53.920 the same for you. You see, Guys, we actually had 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:59.120 a guy moon our trail cameras the other day. Understand that. Yeah, yeah, 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:03.359 I've I like that movie. Um, but yeah I don't. 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:04.680 I'm like, I know what's going on out here in 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:10.680 the woods. People do time White till by the moon, 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:25.600 So maybe he was given This guy's situation is like 0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:28.879 an ethical net zero. I don't think there's any wrong 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:31.080 done in any of this that he's talking about. Now, 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.200 I can see where if he's I'm assuming this guy 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:35.759 is honest because I don't know him, so I'd like 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:37.959 to assume that, Um, if he's honest, that he didn't 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.359 mean to like, you know, stack the stand on top 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:44.080 the other guy. Then you know whatever, I think. I 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.759 like these two guys A lot. I think that you 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:50.640 would do it like I have a Like many guys. 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:54.440 I argue with my wife about toilet seat, I always 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:58.480 feel like, uh, I think that each user should position 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:06.040 it for their use according to the immediate need. Like 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:08.200 that's what I do. If I come in and find 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:12.600 the seat down, I adjust it according to what I'm 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.040 gonna do. I don't go like, well it's down now, 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.920 I have to live with it being down and then 0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.279 p on the seat. So I adjusted ahead of time, 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.839 and I'm migrant. Why don't you? I tell my wife, 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:30.440 why don't you make these adjustments as need be and 0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.880 not a plan on other people, anticipating who might use 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.480 it next, and then leave it fit for them to 0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:38.840 what She'll point out that, like sitting down. If you 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:42.080 make a mistake and sit down when the seats up, 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:46.759 it's bad, it's not good. I could see him, if 0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.239 he's really trying to I could see him taking my 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:53.120 wife's approach to toilet seat placement and being an extra 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:58.200 gentleman and move your movie or stand back down to 0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.920 the bottom. I think I really appreciate you, like it's 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.080 all ready for you, my friend. Neither of these guys 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.000 touched each other stands. Well, that's what I was gonna say. 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:06.759 It's like, we know that the guy that wrote it 0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:09.680 in is considered, but it seems as if potentially the 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:11.400 other guy was too, because he could have taken that 0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:13.719 guy's stand off and just laid it by the trade. 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:15.680 But he didn't take his off. But it could have 0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:17.560 been the same situation this guy that if forgot too, 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:19.160 because it's not a natural thing. If you plan on 0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:20.680 leaving a stand, you don't usally take it off the 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:22.879 tree and put it back on again under another stand 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:24.760 But I'm just saying if he wanted to go extra. 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:26.600 But see, the thing I would worry about is I 0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:30.680 would worry about psychologically. I would want him to know 0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.839 that I'd been there and got one. So I could 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:38.359 picture taking my stand, moving it down, putting his up, 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:42.000 and then maybe scratching like a little notch or something, 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.920 and then have a little note that says I scratched 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.759 this not I make a notch every time I get 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:52.800 a deer. Here. Notice there's two fresh notches. So that 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.040 that person doesn't go thinking, you know, I'd want him 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.040 to know who he's dealing with, cold blooded killer. You 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:01.920 could have a a yearly banter back and forth, just 0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.200 you just keep up with it out the same tree, 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:05.879 you know. It kind of like, let's have a little 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.440 journal and share our experiences. Especially if it's annymous. You 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.680 never actually meet the guy. He's just a hypothetical dude 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:15.200 who hung the stand. You know, they won't really know 0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.440 until they both walk out there someday at three o'clock 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:22.560 and they both like there they are, Then they're gonna 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.960 have to start it out. I think actually was that 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:29.040 that's a good rom comment the making. We had a 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:32.000 guy right in one time that was having one of 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.080 these disputes of someone and one day there's like two 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:38.120 trees kind of together, and he's up in one and 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:41.279 the guy comes and I mean literally climbs up right 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.279 behind him, and they sat quite awkwardly, him looking out 0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.399 one way and the guy looking out the other way. Yeah. 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:51.000 One of our camera guys in Illinois last year, same thing. 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.359 They sat like twenty yards from each other. Yeah, it's 0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:56.320 like the second guy is just there to ruin the 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:58.520 experience for the first guy so that he doesn't come back. 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:00.960 It's kind of silly. Yeah, not my favorite. It kind 0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:03.560 of ruins it for me, though, like too. Uh, And 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.560 I'm not a big like who who kind of experienced 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.799 guy too much. I just like to hunt here, but um, 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:11.239 it does. I don't like to sit in another person 0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:14.600 stand in particular, like one time in a tree, a 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:16.839 person and used screens, So we're gonna take those out 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:18.640 and be hard to hang my own steps in the tree. 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:20.879 So I used the screens, but then hung my own 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:22.919 stand next to the stand that was in the tree, 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.520 partially because I don't like the position that I was 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:27.920 in better than the way he'd hung it. But I 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.040 just don't like sitting on it, and you don't. There's 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:31.920 like a safety factor too. You don't know if this 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:35.520 person is using you know, from you're pretty safe, Yeah, 0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:40.279 usually his and safety is my number one concerned. Yeah, 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:43.080 it's kind of weird. We're gonna do one last thing. 0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:44.640 We're gonna talk about one last thing before we talk 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:48.399 about what we're gonna talk about. Uh, this guy's thought 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:51.319 about you know, I don't know uh what I'm trying 0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:53.640 to say. I thought about having him on the show 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:56.720 before because I read this book guy wrote in about 0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:00.239 a bad experience he had with one of his works 0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:07.000 on Amazon recently, Um, about what he's you know, I 0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:09.240 don't know if it's is its censorship. I guess it's censorship. 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.799 Censorship let me at the end of the day. Yeah, yeah, 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:18.120 people confuse their's censorship like First Amendment censorship that would 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.240 come from the government, right, and then there's just private 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.239 companies doing what private companies want to do. So meaning 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.200 if someone wrote a big article about how all the 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:30.399 reasons that like hunting should be outlawed, and we said, 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.040 I'm I don't feel like publishing that article on our website. 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.840 That's not gonna it's I don't that's not gonna go 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.600 over well where they'd be like, you're censoring me. You'd 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:41.239 be like, no, it's just we have It's like we 0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:43.040 own our own thing and we just do with our 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.040 own thing what we want. I'm not censoring you. It's 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:49.560 more like their standards for what is acceptable and allowable 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:54.759 are you know, questionable. We're talking about organization that sits 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:59.000 one rung below the government, which is Amazon. Given another 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:03.399 thirty years, I think they're coming. They're like they're sort 0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.759 of you know, like how our military will have that 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:11.080 the red phone to the Chinese military, they probably have 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:16.320 like a red emergency phone. Talking between Amazon and the government. 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:21.359 So the guy goes on to write, in my newest book, 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:26.719 more than Wolverine, an Alaska wilderness trap line on the cover. 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.080 He's got a there's a picture of him holding the 0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:36.480 wolverine trapped in the in the bush, no blood, no gore, animals, 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:40.840 harvest responsibly found, state regulations displayed in a respectful manner. 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:44.520 He had an ad campaign for an Amazon canceled My 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:49.200 ad campaign blows their message following my appeal kind of 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:52.960 blew me away. Anybody, just heads up when designing your 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:59.600 future book covers. M Hello from Amazon Advertiser Support. When 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:02.560 we were seeved your ad campaign more than Wolverine, we 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:07.960 determine that your cover contains images of excessive violence. The 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:15.240 image contains graphic depictions of cadavers m hm. And also 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.919 not just that, and also we determine that your ad 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:23.239 contained violent content. To ensure a good customer experience, we 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:27.840 don't allow ads containing images of human or animal abuse, mistreatment, 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:31.920 or distress. Because your ad uses the cover image on 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:34.040 your book, you'll need to update the cover of your 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:38.239 book in order to be eligible for Amazon advertising. A 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.040 quick note, I had something about this kind of burned 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:41.759 my ass here to day. One of our senators in 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.160 Montana has his profile picture. It's him and his wife, 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:49.640 Senator Danes. It's him his wife and an antelope. So 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.000 him and his wife with an antelope. And he got 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.879 booted off Twitter, which just struck me as weird because 0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:57.640 the whole thing with Elon must Buy and Twitters, they're 0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:01.440 supposed to quit screw with everybody about like stupid stuff. Anyways, 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:04.200 his thing got reinstated. I put the picture up on 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.920 it on Instagram, so I thought it was interesting that 0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:11.560 that is excessive violence. Yeah, I read the musk. Reached 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:16.080 out to him personally to talk about it. Yeah, Kal 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.000 thought I was being stupid. It's like, what's the Elon 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:19.480 must have to do with this? I said, well, I 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:24.600 don't know if you've been following this with somebody. It's like, 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:29.560 I think your account got hacked. Dude, he bought Twitter. 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.000 The whole thing is he's gonna make Twitter not cracking 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.120 down on everybody all the time for like like totally 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:41.080 objective or sorry for totally subjective stuff. And then I 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:43.120 sent him a headline that says that he put it back, 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.520 made it back right again. I said, ha, that's what 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:51.279 I wrote, I put like multiple exclama. If you look 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.560 at three of them in there, things you'll get dinged 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:57.480 for as bad as Facebook is. If say they've got 0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:02.920 a list of fifteen things Instagram, maybe like eight. You 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:05.200 get to Twitter and it's probably like a list of 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:10.719 twenty and fractions, you know, from alcohol to one down 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:15.560 the line, you know, for getting restricted on. Oh, but 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:18.560 I have a book I have so I have books 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.160 published with I feel like it's like, I don't Well, 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:24.040 you've got a book that in particular makes me think 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.600 of this guy's situation. Well, I have two books. I 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.920 have a book of holding a grailing. It's a vertebrate. 0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:34.800 I'm holding it a grailing that's no longer alive. So 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:41.480 it's where I have a turkey, right, another vertebrate sentient 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:45.800 being no longer alive, published by the world's biggest book publisher, 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:51.640 Penguin Random House. Uh, but then they they messed with this, dude, 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.920 what's your what's your? Don't you have a thing about eyelashes? 0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:59.960 You know? If the animal has I forgot about my 0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:03.040 own rule? I wonder I wonder if us calling this 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:07.960 out on this podcast will have uh, you know, we'll 0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:11.520 get some kind of Amazon message about those books being 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:13.839 up and maybe needing to be taken down, and then 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:15.880 Hunter will have to redesign a cover of you like 0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:21.880 cuddling a turkey that's alive, like animal like thing. To 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:24.239 us bringing it up was gonna flag my books, not 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.440 fix this guy's situation. Maybe. Yeah, I guess I have 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:30.080 not too much hope When I sent Cal the article 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:33.760 that that um after a little bit of public pressure, 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:38.320 Senator Gaines's Twitter account got put back up with his 0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:41.400 grip and grind of his antelope, and Cal said, did 0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:45.160 they credit you when they they they had pointed out 0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:48.320 they had pointed out ted Ted Cruz. That's like stolen 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:51.200 valor on Ted Cruizes to have because it was me 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:55.200 mans stolen valid. What was the nature that was that? 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.200 A profile picture change that triggered it or put up 0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:00.319 a new profile picture of him? Is why for then 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.920 antelope not a speck of blood to be seen? You 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.200 could almost thought the animope was still alive if you 0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:12.120 don't know what you're looking at. Yeah, So what you 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:17.919 what you take Hunter as a designer, Well, we could 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.600 do a whole podcast on this, but I mean the 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.960 situations that we've run into and it's kind of even 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:27.560 hard to quantify because it doesn't make sense. But so 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:31.040 for example, if I had a shot of you in 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.880 the field with a meat crafter and we used it 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:37.640 in an ad versus a shot of a meat crafter 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:41.239 on a cutting board, one's getting dinged. One isn't the 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:44.360 same exact thing promoting the same exact thing. But contextually, 0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.920 I've taken out out of one situation into another because 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.480 it looks like I'm fixing the knife someone yea or 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:55.160 or or you're you're using it in a in a 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:58.719 violent way, you know, be it, you know, skinning. So 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.279 you're saying like, if you have a picture of a 0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.680 piece of raw meat, right, or let's say a deer's 0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.440 leg and you're making an opening cut a dude being 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:10.440 in there, it's bad. But if it's a knife in 0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:16.560 an opening cut in a culinary sense, you're fine. Um. 0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:21.279 I was talking to Ben Rummery about this and a 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:23.920 couple other situations like f HF has a lot of 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:28.400 trouble because older always in trouble because it's all things 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:33.720 that are accessories to modify a weapon. So you're promoting 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:38.839 the use or sale of a weapon. UM I mean 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:41.880 like if you have a little bullet holster, yeah, or 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.239 a little cartridge holder. The worst one is the bear 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:47.960 spray holster. No, whether you show it in the field 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:51.400 or you just show because it's harming the bear as 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:55.839 opposed to saving potentially saving your own life. Pepper spray. Oh, 0:48:55.880 --> 0:49:00.120 pepper spray. Yeah. What So that's like one of the 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:03.239 ones at the top that nobody even bothers doing because 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.200 they're thinking of pepper spray being used in like a 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:08.600 militious sort of environment rather than like for protections. I 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:12.400 would assume yeah, yeah, Um. Now here's one that's puzzling. 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:16.560 Um that we were talking about this morning was obsidian 0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:20.719 pants for the longest time would get dinged. And what 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:23.719 ends up happening is so when they go just a 0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:30.319 plane picture someone, Yeah you don't have to show. Yeah, 0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:33.560 the ad could just be of the pant. But I 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:36.040 think what I guess it happened over time is when 0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:38.360 they go to scan that ad, they're also checking the 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.520 landing page to where that ad is taking you to. 0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:43.840 So if that it was you know, the city, and 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:46.400 pant takes you to a page where that you in 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:51.319 a hunting situation, then that gives them cause to paying 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:55.759 that ad. So it's it's not just visually what that 0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:58.040 ad looks like, but it's a lot of times you know, 0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:03.040 the loophole where it's taking you too. Yeah, because the 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:06.400 way that they justify those is you don't want to 0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:09.560 be scrolling through necessarily and see something that is offensive 0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:11.759 you don't like, right, But if they're also looking at 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:15.240 the landing page, that says it's about the product itself, 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:19.359 not just your user experience. Correct, correct, Like we've never 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:22.360 we don't seem to have issues promoting Vortex in a 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:27.480 sense when you're not necessarily showing it on a weapon. However, 0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:31.640 sig no go. And I don't know if that's tied 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:36.719 to because of it being uh, you know, they're thinking 0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.640 in terms of you know, the I mean rifle and 0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.719 stuff like that, pistols, right, So I don't know if 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:46.400 Vortex gets Vortex makes optics and optics right, and that 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:50.040 could be for you know, golf, birding, whatever. There's got 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:51.800 to be some kind of workaround. Is there like a 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.680 universal symbol or visual of a thing that is like 0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:57.880 so neutral or like, I don't know, a box of 0:50:57.960 --> 0:50:59.920 lucky charms and we just put that in the background 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:03.960 of every picture that we put up. Yeah, until they 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:08.239 find out, until General Mills comes out to you. Yea. Um, 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:10.560 but yeah, it's it's Traine. I mean you just eventually 0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:15.000 kind of learned, you know. Ah, I mean it's it's 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.440 it makes it a little tough in certain situations, Like 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.800 I said, with like rifle slings and things like that. 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:23.640 I mean, how do you how do you promote or 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:28.840 use that? Um? Uh? Yeah. The meat crafter was definitely, 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:31.880 uh a unique and tough one. So a lot of 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:35.480 times I'll just take my own meat crafter and photograph it. 0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:44.200 You know. She'd called the tofu crafter promoted for you absolutely. See, man, 0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:46.279 you know what the problem is, Like, I got like 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:49.879 two things that are happening at the same time. I'm 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:57.000 getting older and Ship's getting more ridiculous. And when you're older, 0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:59.600 you get less tolerant or ridiculous stuff. And I feel 0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:05.200 like at trajectory if you're just on an exponential Yeah, 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:09.480 it's a war on Christmas. It's like that's like you 0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:12.279 know what I mean, I'm there. I'll probably say it 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:15.719 not as a joke next year, you know what I mean? 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:20.880 Like the besieged feeling, Yeah, but it's like that plays 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:23.200 in are gonna be on a balcony like Steller and 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:27.640 waldor from the mupp That's just me a brody. But 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:31.960 I started to think called besiege the old Men. But 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:33.799 that's a good point about the grailing, because it does 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:37.280 make me wonder, like visually, you know, I don't recall 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:42.520 any dangs with anything spear fishing related, you know any Yeah, 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:46.799 no eyelashes. What if you shave the eyelashes off your deer? 0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:53.640 Now you're gonna do it? Yeah, here's a trip watch 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.000 this transition. Do you guys ever get in trouble at 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:58.680 the element for stuff you put on the Internet? Yeah, 0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:03.880 I mean mean by trouble like just flash demonetized. I 0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:08.320 dealt with Google for weeks one time, and of course 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:13.520 the people I'm in touch with are foreign and the 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:16.800 I mean, I couldn't figure out why our ads weren't running, 0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:21.400 and essentially just came to my own conclusions that it 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:23.439 was being censored. There was no I was never told 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:25.680 that it's you know what I mean, like algorithm in 0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:27.759 the AI. It's just and the people on the other 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:29.239 end of the line could never tell me that either, 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:32.480 for they don't they don't know exactly right, Yeah, so 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.120 I just came to a conclusion that way we would 0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:37.840 stop running ads pretty much. There's other individual times to 0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:41.360 where a certain video of the demonetized and a personal 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:44.520 appeal would change that. So that get flagged by AI 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.239 for having something. And then if you send in the 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:50.840 you know, we eat all the meat. You know, you 0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:53.960 you you give a personal appeal to justification of what 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:57.080 you're doing it it would work. You know a lot 0:53:57.120 --> 0:54:00.120 of times what you guys used to do pred your 0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:04.239 control work. As me tell about that, Clay, Clay told 0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:06.000 me to ask you about it, all right, thanks Clay. 0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:12.160 I worked for the government, which is just a red flag, right, 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:16.359 but I like state or apist our for a fist. Yeah, 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:20.400 well so we're try funding so um, A portion of 0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:23.080 the funding for me as a state trapper came from 0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:26.400 APHIS support, portion came from the state which was Wildlife Services, 0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.239 and a portion incomes from the county that I worked within. 0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:32.359 Do we just clarify what APHIS stands for and we'll 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.480 plant Health Inspection Service. Yeah, we've had some We've had 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:37.640 some APIs big wigs on the show. Yeah. If this 0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:40.600 has got some cool people over there, man, yeah, and 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.000 it was like, the thing we brought up is that 0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:45.400 they don't they don't get credit for they don't get 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:47.479 credit for a lot of good work they do. People 0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:49.480 just take some stuff they do and make it seem 0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:53.719 like as controversial as possible. But then they eliminate invasive 0:54:53.800 --> 0:54:59.920 neutrius from Chesapeake Bay and yeah, exactly, it's how weird. 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:04.120 But so I was pretty much a glorified county trapper, 0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:06.600 you know what it is is used to these uh 0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:10.120 counties would just fun to trapper, just old guy you 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.560 know around there, just trapped. And in the South, trapp 0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:14.799 is different because we don't have a fur market too much, 0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:19.040 you know, coons, maybe raccoons whatever, um, and so uh, 0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:22.239 coyotes don't really have pelts that are worth anything. Um. 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:25.279 So it's strictly for livestock protection pretty much. And then 0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:27.440 you throw the hogs in. In the last thirty years 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:31.040 that have become more of an issue. Um. That's I 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:33.800 spent probably eighty percent of my time on hogs and coyotes. 0:55:33.800 --> 0:55:35.480 And then uh, the other rest of that would be 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:39.440 like disease monitoring for avian flu or neutria or uh, 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:42.520 you know, some ladies losing their cats in South Houston. 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:44.640 You can go figure out what's going on there. There 0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:46.560 was disease monitoring with the hogs. To your Yeah, there was. 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:48.000 That was kind of cool that. That was one of 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:49.600 my favorite parts. Where so we used to do aerial 0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:52.759 operations with hogs, with the helicopter stuff. But um, with 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:55.160 like you know, a purpose, I guess. And who are 0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:58.759 you working for doing hogs? Uh? Freface? So you were 0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:02.520 shooting hogs from helicopter? Uh so I was not a 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:06.000 gunner in that scenario. Now that what were you doing 0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:10.600 from a helicopter? Um, that's a different um job I had. Actually, 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:14.200 so I was a state trapper and then previously and 0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:15.360 this is actually one of the things I put on 0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:17.319 my on my resume to kind of help me get 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:20.600 that job as I was a I don't know what 0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:23.800 you call it. It's a pretty much Yeah, I'm a 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:26.839 guy told me things to ask you about. They're gonna 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:29.440 bleed together in a minute. Yeah. Good. So. Um, I 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:32.120 was a game capture specialist, I guess. So, you know, 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:34.600 the exotic industry is a big thing in Texas. So 0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:39.279 we got exotics, especially in the western half of the state. 0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:41.440 There's exotics trying out a lot of portions state and 0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:45.120 so there they are treated like talking dancers. Right, yeah, 0:56:45.360 --> 0:56:48.000 I guess I don't know what is that? What do 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:58.320 you mean you don't tell me? Oh no, okay, okay, 0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:03.440 so azotic specialists. Uh so, yeah, I'll clarify. Um, exotic 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:06.960 game animals and not a game animals too. Um caught 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:09.520 some weird things, but um, there's a big industry for those. 0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:12.440 They're treated as livestock in Texas according to the Texas 0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:16.800 um AD Commissioner or whatever, so you can freely transport 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:18.880 them around the state and out of state too, out 0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:22.720 of country even um so, um, we pretty much would 0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:25.959 go out and we're glorified cattle wranglers except for rounding 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:29.160 up you know, game animals mostly odd ad access in 0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:31.320 black Buck, but a lot of other stuff too, for 0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:33.400 people that wanted them out of certain areas or the 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:36.080 wanted them into certain areas all that. Yeah. Um so, 0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:42.920 Usually the common scenario was a landowner has a plethora 0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:47.280 of exotic game on their property, usually low fence. Uh. 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:52.480 Our company would pay them per head of different game 0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.400 animals we caught, and then we were kind of a 0:57:56.360 --> 0:57:59.040 peddler of those animals. We would then find a high 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:02.080 fenced operation that wouldn't want those animals and then sell 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:04.800 them to them and release them there. So the motivation 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:10.320 on the motivation on the part of the landowner that 0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:15.440 has them might be a they want a bunch of 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.840 them gone, be they just want to make some money 0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:23.400 off the resource, or see both. Usually it was a 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.240 lot more of b yeah, a little bit a little 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:29.120 bit of sea mixed in there, but um guy's wheeling 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:31.880 and dealing. Yeah. Man, money is what drives everything, you know, 0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:34.880 especially in Texas huge economy. U's Texas is the ninth 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:37.560 or tenth largest economy in the world if you even 0:58:37.600 --> 0:58:41.480 look at national scales, So like the state of Texas 0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:45.280 is like a national player when it comes to world economy. 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:47.280 So that translates to a lot of money in the state, 0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:51.720 but also a very economically minded, like average citizen. So 0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:54.240 those people are like, yeah, sure, I'll let you fly 0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:56.400 helicopter in my place and catch sixty animals for three 0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.640 dollars ahead, you know, and then but there's a pretty 0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:03.200 hey be turnover there, or like the margins are good, 0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:06.040 you know, especially for bigger animals, so you guys would 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:09.760 come in and contract on it. Yeah, we'd uh, and 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:13.920 so are you usually? Are you usually employed by the um. 0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:16.440 You don't have to get specifics with your industry but 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:19.200 with your particular outfit. But the way, I just curious 0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:23.360 how the industry works. So like you, what do you? 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:24.800 What do you are? You guys gett a percentage of 0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.800 sale a per animal thing. You're hired by the guy 0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:29.400 that wants them. You're hired by the guy that wants 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:31.240 to get rid of him. So I got a daily rate. 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:35.040 I was, you know, just a hand pretty um. And 0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:39.520 so my old boss in this, uh, he ran a 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:43.360 business that offered these services, and then usually the helicopter 0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:46.400 service was a different service that we would combine with. 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:48.880 So the pilot kind of had his own bird and 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:51.280 then we would team up with him. There would be 0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:54.520 a net gunner, a pilot, and then a ground crew. 0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:56.360 And I ran ground crew a lot until we went 0:59:56.400 --> 1:00:00.160 out west and did all that stuff. And so, h um, 1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:03.960 there's pretty much like it is a contracted service to 1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:06.760 a landowner. And then I'm paid a daily rate. Yea. Yeah, 1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:09.680 So you swoop down. Let's say you're what was the 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:13.360 most common an Emily dealt with, I'd say access to here, Yeah, 1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:16.880 they come in on a helicopter, come down, pah, landing, Uh, 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:19.520 throwing net on it, shooting net onto It is that 1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:22.080 hard to get a hit right, Uh depends on the guy. 1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:23.960 It's hard to get good at but when you're good 1:00:24.000 --> 1:00:26.400 at it. Man, my buddy Chobvy he was. He was 1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:30.560 good good net gunners skill. Yes, yeah, very much obtained it. 1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:33.200 It's kind of cool. They ran a single shot blank 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:36.200 three O eight pistol and they have like a fabricated 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:38.480 netgun cage that goes in the front of it. You 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:40.080 have these four little weights that you know, one at 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:42.480 each corner of the of the net and pound and 1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:45.960 then that thing just lies out there and the moving 1:00:46.000 --> 1:00:49.240 shot yea. And the other cool thing is the the 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:52.160 talent of the pilot. Man. Some of those pilots are 1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:55.040 just insane because they're running at our twenty two, which 1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:58.960 is really uh, what's the route where the very maneuverable helicopter. Um, 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:02.120 it's a two s eat, very light weight and man, 1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:04.400 they could just do some insane stuff. And what they're 1:01:04.400 --> 1:01:07.240 doing is they're like not only getting the guy on 1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:09.680 the animal, but they're positioning the animal to where the 1:01:09.760 --> 1:01:11.640 guy has a good shot and they're kind of directing 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:14.160 animal to a certain direction, all while avoiding live oak 1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:16.720 trees and mesquites, and they're flying below deck man like 1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:19.160 they are like in the stuff, you know, they're not like. 1:01:19.960 --> 1:01:21.880 You can't shoot a netgun from a hundred foot up. 1:01:22.160 --> 1:01:25.480 You gotta be probably and somebody probably knows better than me, 1:01:25.560 --> 1:01:28.520 But just in my experience, looking like forty ft or less, 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:30.760 it's kind of where you want to be. It seemed 1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:33.120 like the shoot a little higher, but it's harder the 1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:35.840 higher you get because you're losing velocity and the animal 1:01:35.880 --> 1:01:38.040 can move more. Stuff like that, and when that that 1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:41.120 net gets them that their legs get tangled up whatever. 1:01:41.480 --> 1:01:44.400 Usually yeah, and antlered or horn critters are way easier 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:47.280 because you got another thing to get. Yeah, and then 1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:49.840 the ground coop runs in and you tranquilize it or 1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:51.680 you don't even bother to it. That's a different thing. 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:55.160 It's the thing we do. But um, the anytime there's 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:57.560 neck gun, you just stir hog time them pretty much 1:01:57.840 --> 1:02:00.200 three around three legs, leaving one leg done. You know, 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:02.560 a little half it's there. Usually leave the net on 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:04.240 them unless it's easy to get off, and then you 1:02:04.320 --> 1:02:05.760 just put them in the back of like a UTV 1:02:05.960 --> 1:02:07.840 or something like that and take them back to a trailer. 1:02:07.960 --> 1:02:12.800 Do you blindfold them? Sometimes? Uh, different animals stress worse 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:15.640 than others. Um, black buck, we're kind of bad about 1:02:15.680 --> 1:02:19.880 being stressed. Access are pretty tough addad never blindfolded alldad there, 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:22.960 they're just toughest goats, you know. So it just goes 1:02:23.000 --> 1:02:24.360 on whether or not that thing is gonna get so 1:02:24.480 --> 1:02:27.280 freaked out of die yea. Yeah, the African game really 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:29.440 except for all that which are African game, but planes game, 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:32.440 I'll say it that way. Planes game is really finicky, 1:02:32.880 --> 1:02:35.840 which black bucking access are not high stream there. Yeah. Yeah, 1:02:35.840 --> 1:02:39.240 they're high strung so like um, and they're expensive too. 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:41.680 So one time we lost a will the Beast, which 1:02:41.720 --> 1:02:44.000 was a pretty expensive loss, you know, and it was 1:02:44.080 --> 1:02:46.160 stressed and it was even tranquilised it's still and it's 1:02:46.160 --> 1:02:50.520 still stressed. So that's an expensive animal, fairly expensive. They're 1:02:50.520 --> 1:02:53.280 super exotics um and wilderbeast is kind of like boring 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:55.919 on that because it's a little rarer in the scheme 1:02:55.960 --> 1:02:58.920 of exotics. But like you look at like a games 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:01.400 buck or a z or or a giraffe or a 1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:04.000 cudo or addicts, like you're kind of in that super 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:07.080 exotics type range there. Yeah, yeah, and then those we 1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:11.000 would usually tranquilize because tranquilization is a little safer and 1:03:11.120 --> 1:03:14.400 easier on the animal. But with the African game, tranquilization 1:03:14.480 --> 1:03:17.360 is a little finnick. You're more finicky because you had 1:03:17.400 --> 1:03:20.320 to be really precise with your dosage, which I wasn't 1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:21.960 licensed to do that, so I was, you know, just 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:25.000 observing this stuff, but I would see it. Uh you know, 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:27.320 it could go bad pretty easy. And some of those 1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:29.280 things are worth like the animals worth like eight nine 1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:32.200 thousand bucks, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you take like 1:03:32.240 --> 1:03:35.360 a sable um, that's a I mean back then that 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:38.160 was like a twenty animal and that's this ten years ago, 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:41.120 So he's worth that alive. Yes, not just to a hunter. 1:03:41.400 --> 1:03:43.640 You have to a hunter. You're talking a big turnover there, 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:45.960 especially a big one. I know, the ar thing Clay 1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:47.960 told me to ask you about. Tell me about it. 1:03:48.560 --> 1:03:51.240 You got your pant leg hung up on a Yeah, 1:03:51.480 --> 1:03:54.120 I got your pant leg hung up on a one time. 1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:57.360 I did, Man, do you story on this? Let me 1:03:57.680 --> 1:03:59.320 grab a drink of water here, because this is a 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:04.320 white whistle for this one, Ladies jump whistle. That's right. Um, 1:04:04.520 --> 1:04:08.320 So this is kind of cool because it's like one 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:10.120 of the first few times I felt like we had 1:04:10.920 --> 1:04:14.600 a greater objective than just economic stuff. So we were 1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:19.040 working in West Texas, um, and the big horn restoration 1:04:19.080 --> 1:04:21.040 stuff is a big deal in West Texas, and there's 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:23.680 a ton of addad that inhabit native big horn range. 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:26.840 Uh So what we were doing was a captured in 1:04:26.840 --> 1:04:31.000 eradication of addad so they could come in and restock 1:04:31.280 --> 1:04:33.640 native big horns. Those two things conflict, I'm sure for 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:38.720 resources and probably for what's the ovis flu or whatever 1:04:38.800 --> 1:04:42.439 it is that there's some sickness right, the pneumonia. Yeah, yeah, 1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:46.640 so I'm sure they conflicted this from uh moves from 1:04:46.680 --> 1:04:49.960 domestic sheep species into big horns, and that as much 1:04:49.960 --> 1:04:54.520 as as much as market hunting like that decimated big horns. Yeah, 1:04:54.560 --> 1:04:56.840 I could see that being the case because there odd 1:04:56.920 --> 1:04:59.920 ad are roamers where I've never hunted big horn had 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:02.000 spent much time with the before to understand they don't 1:05:02.360 --> 1:05:04.800 move as much, right, I mean, is that a thing 1:05:04.920 --> 1:05:07.440 like they kind of have their spot. They're not as 1:05:07.600 --> 1:05:11.800 uh transient as an odd ad you would say, I 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:13.880 wouldn't ask me. Yeah, I don't know too much, but 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:18.320 it's what it seemed at least like on that subject. 1:05:18.400 --> 1:05:21.320 Well at not those all Dad would hit the valley 1:05:21.360 --> 1:05:23.880 floor and men they take off there, you know. So 1:05:24.080 --> 1:05:27.080 the way that sets up is there's these u um 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:30.920 plateaus out there in West Texas. They're kind of like mountains, 1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:33.400 but they're flat on top. Everybody knows the platois and there, 1:05:33.480 --> 1:05:36.360 you know, thousand acre or something like that, and you'll 1:05:36.360 --> 1:05:38.440 have these groups of animals that live on those and 1:05:38.480 --> 1:05:41.760 there's valley floor that's completely different ecologically than what that 1:05:41.920 --> 1:05:44.080 mountain is up there. And those mountains are cool to 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:46.040 be have. Alina's elk all kinds of stuff out there, 1:05:46.160 --> 1:05:49.080 really really neat country. Um, I love it out there. Um. 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:51.600 Also we uh this is a side note, but um 1:05:51.960 --> 1:05:54.240 sleeping on the ground out there. One out we heard 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:58.560 a uh jet fly below the level of the mountain 1:05:59.000 --> 1:06:02.200 while we were out there. So there's some sketchy cartel 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:04.400 stuff kind of going on out there. For sure. What 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:06.600 are those mountains top off that? Like? You know, I 1:06:06.640 --> 1:06:12.040 don't remember elevation wise, but I would imagine I imagine 1:06:12.080 --> 1:06:14.560 those are in the four range something like that. But 1:06:14.760 --> 1:06:17.440 it's like I remember being th feet of change from 1:06:17.480 --> 1:06:19.760 the valley floor to the top of the mountain and you, 1:06:19.920 --> 1:06:23.280 I mean, you gain twenty or lose twenty degrees in temperature. 1:06:23.600 --> 1:06:25.360 You'd be in short sleeves at the bottom, and by 1:06:25.360 --> 1:06:26.360 the time you get out of the truck at the top, 1:06:26.400 --> 1:06:28.760 you're putting a jacket on. Just you know, in the 1:06:28.840 --> 1:06:32.240 summer in Texas, it's cool. So we're out there doing 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:34.560 this all day work and we're contracted to take like 1:06:34.680 --> 1:06:38.440 twenty five rams years and then we're gonna eradicate the 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:44.439 rest um and we are flying a our forty four 1:06:44.560 --> 1:06:48.520 helicopter which is a four seater um because of the 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:51.760 rugged terrain. So normally you'd have a t V s 1:06:51.840 --> 1:06:53.840 ut vs running around on the ground running ground crew, 1:06:53.880 --> 1:06:55.720 but out there you can't really do that. You have to, 1:06:56.040 --> 1:06:58.840 uh have another guy in the helicopter as a jumper, 1:06:59.000 --> 1:07:01.400 which is usually of dumbest guy. And I was a 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:05.240 jumper so uh young, you know, and could do it. 1:07:05.240 --> 1:07:07.280 I did the whole thing and still to boots Man 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:10.480 ab Peples like to say people that rodeo, Yeah, it's 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:13.560 it's a drilling rush. For sure, guy's gonna ride a 1:07:13.600 --> 1:07:15.240 bulls like hell, I'll talk about and grab that thing. 1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:17.439 Yeah exactly, And then you don't sleep that night because 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:19.360 you go out and you know, chase wild women and stuff, 1:07:19.400 --> 1:07:21.880 you know, former life, you know, just being a wild 1:07:21.960 --> 1:07:26.320 young man and so um. We were on the top 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:29.040 of a mountain there. I'll keep these names kind of vague, 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:30.760 but we're on top of a mountain that you could 1:07:30.800 --> 1:07:35.320 not access by vehicle. It's a plateau um and it's 1:07:35.360 --> 1:07:38.160 about like a fifteen degree grade. It's a really heavy 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:42.000 grade up top, and every rock has is about a 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:44.840 basketball size, and it has let your gia growing up 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:47.600 in between the cracks between let you Gia is a 1:07:47.720 --> 1:07:50.760 Southwestern plant. You've probably seen it. It looks like alo, 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:54.520 but it's not um um what's it doesn't have the 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:56.520 juice inside of it? You know, it's pretty. Is it 1:07:56.640 --> 1:07:57.800 one of the ones that when you get in your 1:07:57.840 --> 1:08:00.439 ship it feels like you got hit by a hornet? Are? Yeah, 1:08:00.560 --> 1:08:03.440 for sure, not for long. A surprisingly short lived pain, yea. 1:08:03.600 --> 1:08:05.520 And those that have to eat that stuff, that's what 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:07.720 they're living on. That's what their tongue must feel like. 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:14.240 I bet it's rough. Constant pain, tough creators. Man. There 1:08:14.400 --> 1:08:18.800 they are something else. So, um, whenever you knit an 1:08:18.840 --> 1:08:21.320 animal out there, the jumper has to get out and 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:23.400 deal with that stuff. And back then it's more than 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:26.720 happy to do it. Yeah yeah, and just you know, 1:08:26.800 --> 1:08:28.960 do it again next day. Whatever it comes out a 1:08:29.040 --> 1:08:30.360 kind of a brown tip. Is that the one of 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:32.960 your tom Yeah? And it's you know, eighteen inches tall, 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:35.240 maybe a little taller. We call it what Yankees call those. 1:08:35.880 --> 1:08:38.439 We call them. Um, if you're trying to describe where 1:08:38.439 --> 1:08:40.160 something as you go, you know that, y'all a looking thing. 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:44.600 There's a lot of there's cool plants out there, and 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:48.000 I got we have a Yankee camera guy. Let me explain. 1:08:48.240 --> 1:08:52.240 He now lives in Texas and he's great. But he's like, yeah, 1:08:52.400 --> 1:08:54.240 he's from north of the Red River, so he's a 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:59.439 Yankee for he's from Illinois. Um and he um. He 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:02.560 likes the names of stuff in Texas, so he's trying to, 1:09:02.680 --> 1:09:06.120 you know, learn this stuff. So there's Akato, there's let Guia, 1:09:06.520 --> 1:09:10.880 there's we sash Guahillo, there's what else. There's all kinds 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:13.080 of stuff out there. And we were out hunting out 1:09:13.080 --> 1:09:14.800 there the other day and He's like, look at acaptio 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:16.320 over there. So I kind of just made up words, 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:19.439 you know, just whatever stuff is, you know, just trying 1:09:19.479 --> 1:09:27.080 to be like, oh that's what that like a good cheese. Yeah. So, um, anyways, 1:09:27.240 --> 1:09:32.040 we need a you, which is a less valuable animal. Right, 1:09:32.160 --> 1:09:36.400 So like rams by the inch are worth more money. Uh, 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:39.519 a thirty inch ram is considered a big trophy. Anything 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:41.920 over twenty inches is worth a good bit. Anything under 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:44.080 that it's like a banana ram or whatever. And so 1:09:44.840 --> 1:09:47.760 the use or at that time, we're three dollars or so, 1:09:48.040 --> 1:09:53.559 so already I'm like, okay, well whatever, still like pretty good? Yeah, 1:09:53.640 --> 1:09:56.479 well a v fuel and a crew and all that stuff, 1:09:56.520 --> 1:09:59.600 you know, like you get a helicopter involved. Yeah, but 1:09:59.680 --> 1:10:01.600 I don't really care because it's not money out of 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:03.760 my pocket. But still, you know, it's also cool just 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:05.479 put your hands on a big ram. So you know, 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:10.120 I'm thinking about that stuff too. Um and um, the 1:10:10.280 --> 1:10:13.360 net is less than ideal. We want to say the net, 1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:15.400 I mean like the job of the net gunning, and 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:17.160 my buddy does a great job on that. I'm not 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:19.200 saying that, but it happens, right, just like bad shots 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:23.000 and archery, it happens. Um. So she has a front 1:10:23.120 --> 1:10:26.439 leg and one horn caught in the net, which means 1:10:26.520 --> 1:10:28.800 she is still really mobile, almost more mobile than a 1:10:28.880 --> 1:10:31.800 twenty two year old casey, you know what I mean. Like, Uh, 1:10:32.000 --> 1:10:35.160 she's getting it and this is her country, right, I'm invading. 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:38.479 I can't walk around on that stuff. Very good. So, um, 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:40.680 I finally catch up with it. You know, I jump 1:10:40.720 --> 1:10:43.400 out of a helicopter. Uh that's like not a big jump, 1:10:43.439 --> 1:10:45.160 but like you know, five six ft or whatever. They 1:10:45.200 --> 1:10:46.960 don't land because they can't land up there and that stuff, 1:10:47.640 --> 1:10:51.160 and uh, A chase her. She's rolling down the hill, 1:10:51.439 --> 1:10:53.479 you know, fighting, and I can already tell it's gonna 1:10:53.479 --> 1:10:55.080 be a bad one. There's good ones, bad ones, and 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:59.120 there's in the middle, right and this she has an 1:10:59.160 --> 1:11:02.559 attitude and it's a bad situation. Okay, So oh man, 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:06.000 here we go. I finally chase this thing down the 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:11.080 hill too, almost the edge of the plateau foot down 1:11:11.120 --> 1:11:14.240 cliff pretty much straight down from here, um, and we're 1:11:14.240 --> 1:11:16.599 about twenty ft from the edge for when I finally 1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:20.439 catch her in huge side relief, right, I finally because 1:11:22.000 --> 1:11:24.639 she's not that valuable, still an animal that I don't 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:26.479 want to die for no reason and fall off the 1:11:26.520 --> 1:11:28.479 side of the mountain, and then I have to account 1:11:28.520 --> 1:11:30.080 for what I didn't get her, you know, so you 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:32.320 don't want to be that guy. Um So a lot 1:11:32.400 --> 1:11:34.840 of things playing in here. I get caught up to 1:11:34.920 --> 1:11:37.880 her and she's hore. So I finally get her tied 1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:39.920 up because she's not much in the net, so I 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:41.800 have to really wrestle her to get the three legs 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:45.240 tied up. And uh, the helicopter has a big sling 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:48.200 rope off the bottom. Um, So you know, imagine a 1:11:48.280 --> 1:11:50.439 really thick nylon rope with the Caribbean near at the 1:11:50.520 --> 1:11:52.720 end of it. You run that through the legs of 1:11:52.760 --> 1:11:54.880 the odd ad back up to the rope, hooking in, 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:57.519 and they sling her out to a trailer that's like 1:11:57.720 --> 1:12:00.920 two or three miles away. You could hang up by 1:12:01.000 --> 1:12:05.439 the legs with that. Um you know hogtown there. Yeah, 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:07.120 for sure, that's kind of like the way it's done. 1:12:08.120 --> 1:12:09.960 I word of thought. You had to cradle it somehow. Well, 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:14.240 a lot of times, you know, there is the like 1:12:14.439 --> 1:12:16.880 super ethical way to do things, and then there's the 1:12:17.000 --> 1:12:21.120 utilitarian way that companies do stuff. If you see the 1:12:21.200 --> 1:12:23.040 state doing stuff, you would did some stuff with the 1:12:23.800 --> 1:12:26.400 Mule Deer R Mule Deer Foundation. They they did the 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:29.680 cradle the whole It's like a harness signals around the 1:12:29.720 --> 1:12:32.599 whole body and ideally you have the net in there 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:35.240 too that is functioning as that, but she didn't and 1:12:35.320 --> 1:12:37.280 there's no way to get the net more around her. 1:12:37.520 --> 1:12:43.040 But yeah, she she's perfectly fine doing that. Um for sure, 1:12:43.200 --> 1:12:46.720 like a survival on this stuff is like in the 1:12:46.840 --> 1:12:49.479 high nineties. I bet this is I'm just pulling numbers out, 1:12:49.520 --> 1:12:52.559 but I mean we hardly ever lost audad distress um 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:55.599 so or injury, like you know, she wouldn't be limping 1:12:55.720 --> 1:12:59.599 or anything on that um and so um, I get 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:02.599 to slip rope run through her, I give the guys 1:13:02.680 --> 1:13:06.760 the signal like we're good and um this on Reu 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:10.920 gets one last horai at me and flings her head around. 1:13:11.200 --> 1:13:13.680 It's like she knew I was there, you know. And 1:13:14.160 --> 1:13:19.200 her us have horns, but they're not that long, mature 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:22.120 used like ten twelve inches probably something like that, maybe 1:13:22.120 --> 1:13:27.080 a little longer depending on the goat. Um and uh, 1:13:27.200 --> 1:13:29.240 they know how to use them because they're always there. 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:30.840 They're not like a white tailer drops them, you know, 1:13:30.960 --> 1:13:32.880 like those horns are always there. They know exactly what 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:35.759 they're doing with them. She flings her head around, catches 1:13:35.840 --> 1:13:39.120 the cuff of my right leg on my blue jeans, 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:43.120 and the helicopters going up and all. You know, this 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:46.720 happens fast, right. I process things pretty quickly too, so 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:48.639 this is all kind of going slow in my head. 1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:51.680 But before I know it, I'm being lifted off of 1:13:51.800 --> 1:13:56.200 the top of a mountain in West Texas, six hours 1:13:56.280 --> 1:14:00.760 plus from a hospital. Um, which I wouldn't even if this, 1:14:01.200 --> 1:14:05.360 you know, went bad. Yeah, exactly, They're gonna have to 1:14:05.400 --> 1:14:10.040 have shovels. But I'm being lifted up by my leg 1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:13.160 by an ad dad who has slung to a helicopter. 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:15.439 And these guys have no clue that this is happening 1:14:15.439 --> 1:14:18.240 because I'm straight below the birds. Yeah. I gave him 1:14:18.240 --> 1:14:20.559 the go ahead. We're good. And I didn't have anywhere 1:14:20.600 --> 1:14:22.360 really to go because the edge was right there and 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:26.280 pretty unsafe anyways, you know, so like never ran through 1:14:26.320 --> 1:14:29.439 my mind, Hey, get away from the animal um, and 1:14:29.479 --> 1:14:31.479 I'm getting lifted up, and all of a sudden, I'm 1:14:31.600 --> 1:14:34.400 off the ground. And remember I was twenty feet or 1:14:34.520 --> 1:14:37.240 so from the edge of this mountain, and I can 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:41.760 remember having my hands straight out like this, thinking I'm 1:14:41.840 --> 1:14:45.560 hanging upside down. I'm looking down at my hands and 1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:49.280 I'm seeing the ground go further away, and I'm seeing 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:53.200 this really close. No, man, And I had the pants 1:14:53.240 --> 1:14:55.800 for a long time still because I wanted to save them, 1:14:55.880 --> 1:14:59.800 because they about six or eight feet off the ground. 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:02.800 I heard that little rip and I fell down to 1:15:02.840 --> 1:15:07.000 the where I fell, I could spit over the side 1:15:07.080 --> 1:15:11.920 of the cliff foot down. Yeah, right then and there, man, 1:15:12.720 --> 1:15:19.720 its prayer time for sure, you know. Ship well I was. 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:21.360 I was kind of at that point where it's like 1:15:21.360 --> 1:15:23.759 I need to need these plants pants to be really strong, 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:29.280 or I need him to rip right. I don't want 1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:31.000 to rip it in like a minute. They need to 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:34.240 like take the whole trip or none at all, you know. So, yeah, 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:36.800 I've had some near different experiences, but that's top five 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:39.000 for sure. Now, if you had to wear with all 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:42.000 the undo your bridges, I'd be impressed. I don't know, 1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:46.920 you know, under that of your belt, under that amount 1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:50.439 of pressure, not not like middle pressure, but actual physical pressure, 1:15:50.439 --> 1:15:53.040 I don't know if I could do the pants. Yeah, So, 1:15:53.200 --> 1:15:56.559 if anything, I was thinking about trying to get ahold 1:15:56.600 --> 1:15:59.880 of the animal. But that didn't have to come to 1:15:59.920 --> 1:16:03.240 the at If I was ended up hanging out over space, 1:16:03.439 --> 1:16:11.040 I probably would have been grabbing something, you know. You know, Um, 1:16:11.880 --> 1:16:14.479 thank you. It was a lot of fun. But that 1:16:14.840 --> 1:16:17.040 a story like that probably ain't all that uncommon. Not 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:20.680 not that that exact scenario plays itself out, but um, 1:16:21.040 --> 1:16:22.800 we actually had a film crew come out one time 1:16:22.840 --> 1:16:24.599 and film us doing this thing. They were gonna start 1:16:24.680 --> 1:16:26.800 like some type of a you know. It was during 1:16:26.840 --> 1:16:29.120 the Deadliest Catch days, you know, so they're trying to 1:16:29.160 --> 1:16:32.559 get the next great anybody catching something, Yeah, exactly risking 1:16:32.600 --> 1:16:35.000 their catch something because we were called like they're gonna 1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:37.479 call us like modern cowboys or something chilly, you know, 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:40.320 and and uh so like crazy stuff like that. It 1:16:40.400 --> 1:16:42.599 was always happening, you know, but that was like mine 1:16:42.800 --> 1:16:46.439 for sure. The thing that I remember being that's when 1:16:46.479 --> 1:16:49.080 I realized I kind of almost went from young man 1:16:49.240 --> 1:16:51.760 to um, you know what, maybe need to get the 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:53.200 stuff figured out a little bit more and not be 1:16:53.280 --> 1:16:56.519 doing this stuff too much. After that, it's great, that's 1:16:56.520 --> 1:16:59.040 a good story. Than just say that story for close 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:04.760 calls man, Well, we can tell it again. I think 1:17:04.800 --> 1:17:06.280 if we do, I mean, that would be a great one. 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:07.360 And I think we should cut it out of this 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:09.240 podcast if we actually want to do. We could just 1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:11.479 beep out the end. We can beep out the entire 1:17:14.479 --> 1:17:27.960 And then I was like, uh so, so Tyler, this 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:30.719 is all. This is all before you guys became the elements. 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:32.439 He wouldn't like me back then, I don't think anyway, 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:35.680 So you were wild master, don't you were? Like you 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:40.599 almost you were serious about football and almost at NFL. Yeah, yeah, 1:17:41.439 --> 1:17:44.360 I played. Uh, I was a power forward and at 1:17:44.439 --> 1:17:48.479 SUMME and uh, I think Steve doesn't know what that means. 1:17:55.120 --> 1:18:02.080 I don't mean sm he started power forward. Yea, it's 1:18:02.120 --> 1:18:07.479 like a position. It's a position. Yeah yeah there on 1:18:07.600 --> 1:18:13.120 the court, on the court, on the field. Uh yeah, 1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:18.000 I played, I was. I was My dad and his 1:18:18.200 --> 1:18:21.479 dad and he had an identical twin. They all played 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:24.840 college football, and so I guess you could say I 1:18:24.920 --> 1:18:28.120 was kind of in that line of that was in 1:18:28.240 --> 1:18:30.560 my family, you know, So that was kind of what 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:35.439 uh like, I had some pretty good um, I had 1:18:35.479 --> 1:18:37.200 some pretty good coaching, you know, I had I had 1:18:37.240 --> 1:18:40.439 a a natural inclination to be pushed that way. I guess. 1:18:40.520 --> 1:18:44.559 And so how did you reconcile all that fall sports 1:18:44.600 --> 1:18:48.519 playing with with hunting fishing? Yeah, that's so. I actually 1:18:48.600 --> 1:18:52.280 when I got done with football, um, I kind of 1:18:52.360 --> 1:18:55.840 debated on being a coach, and that was the hunting 1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:57.840 was the thing that I was like, I missed. I 1:18:57.960 --> 1:19:00.760 missed too much at this point, you know. But we 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:04.560 I mean we always went like after football season, we 1:19:04.680 --> 1:19:06.760 just that's when we deer hunted. So December you know, 1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:10.360 and so everything, you know, and then on the bye 1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:12.640 week or whatever, you know, anytime I had time that 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:14.720 was I hunted, you know, and we fished a bunch 1:19:14.760 --> 1:19:16.880 because we lived on like fok. So you actually getting 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:20.360 a nickname because of that, right, Uh, what's this gonna be? No, No, 1:19:20.680 --> 1:19:24.000 it's serious, Mr. December thing because you're always always I 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:25.840 killed most of my deer in December until I was 1:19:25.920 --> 1:19:28.760 doing That's what my dad called me. Yeah, you know, 1:19:29.000 --> 1:19:31.080 just see because I would always take it down to 1:19:31.120 --> 1:19:34.920 the wire, you know, chasing a deer. You know. It 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:39.679 was early on deer hunting. I was very much kind 1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:43.600 of I was. I was relegated to one property a 1:19:43.720 --> 1:19:45.920 lot of times like that was my dad had a 1:19:46.000 --> 1:19:49.640 lease in Kansas, and that was where we you know, 1:19:49.800 --> 1:19:51.200 that was where I hunted and I got to go 1:19:51.320 --> 1:19:54.040 three times a year or whatever, so I would always 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:56.919 and that So the way they managed that is they 1:19:57.000 --> 1:19:59.280 want like five year old buck shot off of that place. 1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:02.240 It's not like strict thing, but you know, we come 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:06.000 from Texas where you know q d M started, and 1:20:06.520 --> 1:20:08.120 that was kind of their mindset is like we want 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:10.800 to shoot big old deer. Is that true that q 1:20:11.000 --> 1:20:14.720 DM like took hold in Texas for its spread out. Yeah, 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:16.519 that's uh yeah, I was down in South Texans and 1:20:16.560 --> 1:20:18.439 brush about just just so people who were talking about 1:20:18.880 --> 1:20:22.400 Quality Dear Management, which there's a thing there's like Quality 1:20:22.439 --> 1:20:25.960 Dear Management Association q DM as it's actually changed the NDIA, 1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:31.480 but yeah, but you know that was like that's an organization, 1:20:31.520 --> 1:20:33.439 but there's a set of there's a set of principles. 1:20:33.520 --> 1:20:36.200 It was eventually exported all around the country. Yeah, And 1:20:36.320 --> 1:20:40.680 people talk about QDM meaning taking strategies popularized by q 1:20:40.840 --> 1:20:44.200 d M A and applying it basically you know, trying 1:20:44.280 --> 1:20:47.240 to select age classes and girl big bucks not just 1:20:47.400 --> 1:20:50.320 like brown is down. So that's what that my you know, 1:20:50.439 --> 1:20:52.479 my dad and the people on that lease with him 1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:56.400 where and we basically so I was always looking for 1:20:56.560 --> 1:20:58.000 I was kind of a little man on totem pole 1:20:58.120 --> 1:21:02.519 up there, and so I'm always looking for Like I 1:21:02.520 --> 1:21:04.640 don't get to chase the big ones, you know, I 1:21:04.680 --> 1:21:06.880 get to chase the old ones that are like nine 1:21:06.960 --> 1:21:09.040 years old and have seven points or something like that. 1:21:09.439 --> 1:21:11.479 Like they'd tell you if you see this big one, 1:21:11.560 --> 1:21:15.360 don't touch it. No. But it's a big place. And 1:21:15.479 --> 1:21:20.479 so these deer they hang out in certain areas and 1:21:20.520 --> 1:21:22.800 they my dad would for sure, but I I just 1:21:22.880 --> 1:21:24.439 didn't want to step on you know, I don't. I 1:21:24.479 --> 1:21:26.439 didn't feel right hunting his stand, you know what I mean? 1:21:26.880 --> 1:21:33.720 Just what's That's what I did sometimes? Yeah, that was 1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:35.280 my that was what I did, you know. And and 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:40.400 uh and then eventually, uh, towards the end a college football, 1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:44.479 I kinda I had to make a decision where I 1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:46.360 was playing in some I was playing music and so 1:21:46.439 --> 1:21:48.479 I was in a band that was kind of regionally 1:21:48.520 --> 1:21:52.280 gaining some success in Texas, and UH kind of got 1:21:52.360 --> 1:21:55.880 burnt on football a little bit. Just decided, uh not 1:21:56.080 --> 1:21:59.240 to pursue the NFL. Uh. You would send me an 1:21:59.240 --> 1:22:01.280 email and you mentioned cold Wetzel. So funny because like 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:06.240 big like he had that whole football music. I don't 1:22:06.240 --> 1:22:10.599 associate that stuff. Man. Well so I mean Texas football 1:22:10.680 --> 1:22:14.040 is huge and music. Yeah so, I mean those are 1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:16.080 two things that are common for like a high school 1:22:16.120 --> 1:22:18.680 boy to do, or at least in our generation. Now. 1:22:18.720 --> 1:22:20.599 I don't think people play instruments too much in high 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:22.280 school anymore. Dude. I think if you went and took 1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:24.200 the dudes like nothing against him, I hung out with 1:22:24.240 --> 1:22:25.680 the ball, You went and took the guys from my 1:22:26.000 --> 1:22:30.080 high school to play football, right, like the good the 1:22:30.160 --> 1:22:33.760 guys that played. You put that whole crew together. Not 1:22:33.800 --> 1:22:35.040 one of them to know how to play an instrument. 1:22:37.360 --> 1:22:39.880 I mean they might like cruise the FM dial a 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:42.559 little bit, but they would not think of that. It's 1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:45.320 like a you know, guys are like football and music. 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:50.280 Ted Nugent fans, Yeah yeah, man, yeah, I mean Motor 1:22:50.320 --> 1:22:52.760 City man. Man, he's but he didn't play football, Dune, No, 1:22:52.920 --> 1:22:56.600 but he's surely some Michiganders were looking at him like 1:22:56.680 --> 1:22:59.080 I want to be that. You know, tons of dudes 1:23:00.040 --> 1:23:01.840 there was. I would say more like there was some 1:23:01.920 --> 1:23:04.880 more like hunting music cross over. I'm saying, fuck like 1:23:05.360 --> 1:23:08.640 the and maybe I just met just recently met you 1:23:09.360 --> 1:23:11.960 and me recently met CO. So I just happened to 1:23:12.080 --> 1:23:15.320 just meet two football musician people. I just don't think 1:23:15.360 --> 1:23:17.840 of that as the thing. And I'm saying, when when 1:23:18.920 --> 1:23:21.080 where I grew up, Like the football guys weren't like 1:23:21.200 --> 1:23:23.800 going home and string getting out the old six string. Yeah, 1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:27.160 guys from my hometown. You know it's a I said, 1:23:27.200 --> 1:23:29.920 we'll ago how the uh you know, the Alamo movie 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:32.479 kind of not but Friday out Lights. It's really how 1:23:32.600 --> 1:23:34.840 he is, man. I mean it's really close, you know. So, 1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:37.360 like part of it is like to get the girl, 1:23:37.840 --> 1:23:39.439 so you learn how to play music. But yours really 1:23:39.560 --> 1:23:42.880 wasn't that different. Uh. I had some good friends that 1:23:43.320 --> 1:23:45.960 I had two good friends that started playing guitar, And 1:23:46.040 --> 1:23:48.200 I'm just sitting around six months later listening to them 1:23:48.240 --> 1:23:50.439 play Green Day songs and stuff, and I'm like, I 1:23:50.520 --> 1:23:55.799 wish I could do that, you know so, And until recently, 1:23:55.840 --> 1:23:57.720 I was the only guy still playing guitar at all them, 1:23:57.760 --> 1:24:00.439 you know. So, But you guys had a serious band going, Yeah, 1:24:00.479 --> 1:24:02.280 we had. I had. I was in a couple. There 1:24:02.400 --> 1:24:06.360 was the first one came through football. Actually met a 1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:08.519 guy who was a singer, songwriter and one of the 1:24:08.560 --> 1:24:12.439 crazier people ever met. And uh, you know, he kind 1:24:12.439 --> 1:24:15.000 of forced me. I was a songwriter. He forced me 1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:19.040 to learn what some people would call lead guitar and 1:24:19.360 --> 1:24:22.000 um and kind of be a harmony singer with him 1:24:22.040 --> 1:24:23.360 and help him write and that kind of thing. So 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:25.760 we did that for like five years, had quite a 1:24:26.200 --> 1:24:29.759 thing going on. And it's a long story, but basically 1:24:29.840 --> 1:24:31.560 he sent an email it was not very good to 1:24:31.640 --> 1:24:34.880 somebody he didn't know was as well connected as they were, 1:24:35.120 --> 1:24:38.240 and we got like blacklisted and lost like half our 1:24:38.280 --> 1:24:42.920 schedule for the next six months. And uh up, yeah, 1:24:44.120 --> 1:24:49.439 can you go in a little more detailship, Yeah, no, 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:54.120 there was okay, So we played a show in Manhattan, Kansas, 1:24:54.439 --> 1:24:58.439 and uh, we had we had recently had some pretty 1:24:58.439 --> 1:25:01.360 good radio success. Um told the name of the band. 1:25:01.680 --> 1:25:04.519 The name. The name was Clay Wilson Band. You know 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:08.439 he was. It was very like what people would call 1:25:08.520 --> 1:25:11.960 Texas country when we started out, and it became a 1:25:12.000 --> 1:25:15.880 lot more kind of I don't know, artistic or abstract 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:20.400 or heavy rockets and some country elements. Yeah yeah, and uh, 1:25:20.880 --> 1:25:23.240 and so we went and play it. We opened for 1:25:23.320 --> 1:25:27.880 a guy I won't say his name, but just not 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:33.599 into you know, doing that, So you wouldn't know this guy. 1:25:33.960 --> 1:25:35.960 Yeah you would know him. Uh, just kind of a 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:37.760 regional dude that had a lot of money and had 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:45.120 a bus and yeah. Uh anyway, we opened for him 1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:48.800 at this place and there's like, um, it's probably like 1:25:48.880 --> 1:25:53.519 a four or five cat venue and um because of 1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:57.559 the radio single we had that like everybody showed up 1:25:57.640 --> 1:26:00.320 for us and was singing this song that was our 1:26:00.400 --> 1:26:03.080 radio single currently. It was like the first time we've 1:26:03.120 --> 1:26:06.000 ever seen this happen really, especially outside of the state, 1:26:06.600 --> 1:26:08.680 and so we were kind of taken aback by it. 1:26:08.760 --> 1:26:11.000 But like I said, he's I mean, this the lead singer. 1:26:11.520 --> 1:26:13.000 He was at my wedding. But he's one of the 1:26:13.040 --> 1:26:17.479 craziest people I've ever met, just you know, but also 1:26:17.600 --> 1:26:19.479 like a sweet dude like you would you would he 1:26:19.520 --> 1:26:22.080 would do anything for you. He would, you know, he's 1:26:22.080 --> 1:26:25.479 a good friend, like crazy like Van Go old type stuff. Yeah, 1:26:25.600 --> 1:26:27.519 I don't I hadn't studied vand Go too much, but 1:26:27.640 --> 1:26:30.599 he would. I mean he would like put a little 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:32.800 of his ear off and bailed it to his girlfriend. No, 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:38.400 not that crazy, but uh, definitely like you know, would 1:26:38.400 --> 1:26:41.160 spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars a week on alcohol, 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:45.160 and well that kind of like party crazy, party crazy, yeah, 1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:50.720 not like um or whatever. Yeah. Um. Anyway, so we 1:26:50.800 --> 1:26:55.080 play the show, h our crowd is better than the singer, 1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:59.559 the main acts crowd and stage a little bit. Yeah 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:03.200 and uh at the so but while he's on stage, 1:27:03.840 --> 1:27:06.400 our guys are in the you know in and in 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:08.840 the back party. And well there's a glass window behind 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:11.760 the stage to the outside, this outside deck where people 1:27:11.800 --> 1:27:13.559 can hang out and stuff. You know, they're back. They're 1:27:13.560 --> 1:27:15.840 just messing around. They're not trying to distract from a show, 1:27:16.320 --> 1:27:19.800 but they are certainly doing that because everybody looking at 1:27:19.800 --> 1:27:21.800 the stage is seeing through the back window at this 1:27:21.960 --> 1:27:25.519 party going out and just people being you know, unruly 1:27:26.400 --> 1:27:34.760 and like their butts are out potentially potentially um yeah, 1:27:35.880 --> 1:27:38.600 I I so I actually you know side note, I 1:27:38.840 --> 1:27:42.599 never even uh drank alcohol. I never tried alcohol until 1:27:42.600 --> 1:27:44.880 I was twenty two years old, just as like a 1:27:44.960 --> 1:27:48.599 discipline thing. I wanted to like prove that I could 1:27:48.640 --> 1:27:51.559 just dude, I didn't know about the word discipline. Yeah, 1:27:55.680 --> 1:27:59.360 it's and we have we're so alike indifferent too, and 1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:01.759 a lot of specs to, which makes it would compliment 1:28:01.800 --> 1:28:03.800 pretty well. But you know I'm talking about Casey here. 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:07.280 But um. Anyway, so they have a long story short. 1:28:07.320 --> 1:28:11.440 We get a email from his management because he complained 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:15.800 about us causing a scene um, and she was just like, 1:28:16.000 --> 1:28:17.479 you know, hey, just ask you if they were play 1:28:17.520 --> 1:28:20.080 with him again, don't you know, don't be distracting or whatever. 1:28:20.200 --> 1:28:22.400 At this point, like we've seen some success, the lead 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:24.080 singer kind of gets the big head a little bit 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.559 and he's like, he tells our manager, who's also seriously 1:28:27.600 --> 1:28:30.160 the nicest guy I've ever metched about. He tells him, Hey, 1:28:30.160 --> 1:28:31.840 if you don't send an email in twenty four hours, 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:36.040 I'm sending an email um to this lady and it's 1:28:36.040 --> 1:28:39.320 not gonna be good. And he wants him to say 1:28:39.360 --> 1:28:42.759 these specific things like, look, if I want to disturb 1:28:43.680 --> 1:28:47.439 someone else's show, I'll pretty much my god, mind your 1:28:47.439 --> 1:28:51.200 business kind of thing. And he's and my manager, Jared 1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:53.400 said no, I'm not gonna do that, man. And twenty 1:28:53.439 --> 1:28:56.080 four hours later, Clay sends this email. My best friend 1:28:56.160 --> 1:28:58.439 at s m U actually helped him craft the email. 1:28:58.720 --> 1:29:00.559 He said, Man, I toned it on as much as 1:29:00.560 --> 1:29:06.360 I could. It was pretty rough and essentially her husband, 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:11.400 uh owned a company that works real tie with Toby Keith. 1:29:11.479 --> 1:29:14.679 At the time, we didn't know that was a connection, 1:29:15.040 --> 1:29:19.439 and she was a regional radio rep and so just 1:29:20.160 --> 1:29:23.920 I mean literally, uh, within hours, it was like you 1:29:23.960 --> 1:29:29.240 didn't hear that radio single anyway? We lost uh like 1:29:29.439 --> 1:29:32.200 seriously half our shows, probably only that were on the books. 1:29:32.280 --> 1:29:34.559 And uh that was when I was like, and things 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:36.680 have gotten crazy. Man like a little big for his 1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:39.600 bridges and like people on the band, we're bringing just 1:29:39.720 --> 1:29:44.400 gallon bags of you know, pot and on road trips. 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:46.760 I had a six month old, no money, I mean 1:29:47.080 --> 1:29:51.240 no money my wife. Uh, I didn't have a job 1:29:51.320 --> 1:29:54.280 at the time. Um, and so we're just broke. And 1:29:54.640 --> 1:29:56.920 I'm like, if I go to jail, we're toast. I 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:58.760 can't do it. We can't we can't make it as 1:29:58.800 --> 1:30:00.680 a family, you know. And if I go and I 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:03.799 knew these guys, if we got caught with drugs and stuff, 1:30:03.840 --> 1:30:05.439 I was they were gonna I was gonna go down 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:07.320 with them, even though I wasn't do any of that stuff. 1:30:07.680 --> 1:30:10.120 And so I just I said, you know what, I'm 1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:12.160 a songwriter two and I know I had met a 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:14.400 few guys recently in Sulfur Springs where he grew up 1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:17.320 that were musicians, pretty good young guys. They were all 1:30:17.400 --> 1:30:20.160 like four years for five years earn me and started 1:30:20.200 --> 1:30:22.360 my band and then but I had a lot of 1:30:22.439 --> 1:30:25.560 network and connections through that, so we were able to 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:28.439 jump start pretty well and you know, for the next 1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:31.120 four or five years did our thing was. It was fun. 1:30:31.439 --> 1:30:35.760 That's an example of great decision making, very smart. Thank you. 1:30:36.960 --> 1:30:40.240 I uh, I guess you could say that being sober 1:30:40.320 --> 1:30:46.240 helped me. Uh Tyler in the tribe. We still record 1:30:46.400 --> 1:30:49.920 every summer, my my so we we. The reason we 1:30:50.000 --> 1:30:54.600 stopped touring was we played a big so we we 1:30:54.680 --> 1:30:58.639 turned into country music, like kind of subculture, I guess 1:30:59.320 --> 1:31:02.639 in those circles. But we we we kind of especially 1:31:02.720 --> 1:31:06.479 now have edged more rock and um we always didn't 1:31:06.800 --> 1:31:10.360 like fit in completely, you know. So, but we did 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:15.040 play a big show that was called uh Texas Thunder 1:31:15.160 --> 1:31:18.920 or something as a big festival with like uh big 1:31:19.000 --> 1:31:21.759 artists at the time like Florida, Georgia, Line, Brad Paisley, 1:31:22.320 --> 1:31:25.200 some of these big country artists. Um Texas Thunder sounds 1:31:25.240 --> 1:31:29.840 like a weed stream. Yeah, there's probably plenty of them. 1:31:29.840 --> 1:31:31.519 Out there. Yeah. Exc when I was growing up, there 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:37.200 was like fruit Port Crippler, Texas. Yeah, tell them about 1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:43.080 the inauguration. It's a local here. The uh now we 1:31:43.120 --> 1:31:46.280 played Wyoming inauguration. Yeah, yeah, pretty close here. Yeah, Governor 1:31:46.360 --> 1:31:50.160 Maade Matt Mead, Yeah, we played as inauguration one time 1:31:50.280 --> 1:31:53.400 the band I did. Yeah, yeah, they saw us. So 1:31:53.439 --> 1:31:58.320 we actually played the Republican National Governor's Convention in San Diego. Uh. 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:00.760 They flew his first class. Who was the actor that 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:03.720 I flew with? I can't even remember his name. Flew 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:06.680 right next to that guy on the way back from 1:32:06.760 --> 1:32:09.200 that show. But anyway, Matt has been the most annoying 1:32:09.240 --> 1:32:16.639 guy on the planet. And like, yeah, quoting his movie. Yeah, 1:32:17.960 --> 1:32:21.000 I don't watch any movies, so I I when they 1:32:21.080 --> 1:32:22.840 walked on the planets, like, I know that guy, I 1:32:22.920 --> 1:32:24.519 just don't know who he is, you know, and my 1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:27.200 buddy told me he was. But long story short, we 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:31.360 played that and then Matt Mead's wife really liked We 1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:37.439 gotta back up for a second. Probably uh, perhaps the 1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:41.400 greatest movie he's in, Perhaps the greatest movie ever made. 1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:47.720 Monsome dove yep Pocalypse now the Pocalypse. Now, none of 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:51.800 these I've seen the other day. I was, it's just 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:54.639 we have a guy. You'll meet him in a minute. 1:32:54.720 --> 1:32:59.519 Spencer new Heart, I've met him before, Okay, the other 1:32:59.600 --> 1:33:01.880 day he's him. The same director that made Apocalypse Now 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:04.360 made what is perhaps the second greatest movie ever made, 1:33:04.680 --> 1:33:09.519 which is called The Godfather too. Spencer Deuhaus never seen 1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:13.599 any of the Godfather movies. He's like, well, I don't 1:33:13.640 --> 1:33:15.559 feel that bad if I haven't seen a movie that's 1:33:15.600 --> 1:33:19.040 made four I was born, Spencer, but that hurts me. 1:33:19.400 --> 1:33:21.519 I told him I was to listen, man, you gotta 1:33:21.560 --> 1:33:23.439 make me a promise that in two weeks you'll have 1:33:23.600 --> 1:33:30.960 watched The Godfather. Yeah, he's he's he's in that, he's in. 1:33:31.920 --> 1:33:38.080 He's a conciliers. What's the word they use. He's like 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:43.120 not Italian in the Godfather movies, he's not Italian, and 1:33:43.200 --> 1:33:45.840 he's like a outsider. He's like Irish or something. But 1:33:46.000 --> 1:33:49.160 he's like there, he's like legal counsel. He's a conciliers 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:52.400 to the Italian mafia. He's like the only non Italian 1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:57.759 they trust. And two is like the all of the trilogy. 1:33:58.760 --> 1:34:00.880 Neither of us have seen either of those movies. Either 1:34:01.280 --> 1:34:06.240 should write something trivia and just the best Robert movie 1:34:06.320 --> 1:34:10.960 is not some stuff he's been The second Hand Lines 1:34:11.120 --> 1:34:16.559 is one of the best ever. Michael Haley, Joel Osmond, 1:34:16.600 --> 1:34:21.080 Michael Caine, in a joking mood, I say that Ranchold 1:34:21.080 --> 1:34:23.760 He Looks was the greatest American movie ever made. In 1:34:23.840 --> 1:34:26.360 a joking mood. He wasn't a nat but he's like in. 1:34:27.000 --> 1:34:28.559 He's in. Like if you get a bunch of critics 1:34:28.640 --> 1:34:30.200 together and stuff and they like make a list of 1:34:30.240 --> 1:34:32.120 the ten greatest movies they're made some bitches in a 1:34:32.160 --> 1:34:35.880 couple of them. Yeah, he's great. And people off often 1:34:36.080 --> 1:34:38.840 like you know, like Loan some doves highly regarded. We 1:34:38.840 --> 1:34:40.560 don't see poodles. You for being on the plane with 1:34:40.600 --> 1:34:43.800 the guy, I mean, I've had big plans him a 1:34:43.920 --> 1:34:46.439 huge favor by not saying anything to him. I was 1:34:46.600 --> 1:34:48.679 right behind him and I didn't say anything. He probably 1:34:48.720 --> 1:34:51.120 loved you, he did. He actual guy don't talk to 1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:53.519 He was the first talking to him. Yeah, he had 1:34:53.560 --> 1:34:55.960 a he had a baseball cap on super Low and 1:34:56.040 --> 1:34:58.640 everybody walked on and he was the first one on 1:34:58.760 --> 1:35:00.680 the plane. Everybody walked right by, just sat there like this. 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:02.920 Took his hat off when everybody loaded on and they 1:35:02.960 --> 1:35:05.479 closed the door when he wasn't incognito anymore, and they 1:35:05.479 --> 1:35:09.120 were talking about it. Yeah, I love the smell day 1:35:09.200 --> 1:35:12.640 Paul give him that one. No, No, but it was 1:35:12.760 --> 1:35:14.320 we were riding. That's the only time I've ever been 1:35:14.360 --> 1:35:16.560 first class in a plane. It was cool because the 1:35:16.880 --> 1:35:19.679 Republican governors flew us out that way, so it's great. 1:35:20.080 --> 1:35:22.400 They booked your first class. Yeah, they booked his first class. 1:35:22.439 --> 1:35:25.679 And then, like I said, Matt Maid's wife saw us there, 1:35:26.000 --> 1:35:30.640 liked us. Julie, I can't remember it now. She's like, 1:35:30.840 --> 1:35:34.120 I feel like she's like six too, she's super tall. Yeah, 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:37.320 she she had. Yeah. I was telling him, you ought 1:35:37.320 --> 1:35:41.760 to run for president. Yeah, nothing's gonna do it. No, 1:35:42.439 --> 1:35:46.200 I wouldn't either. He kind of had that attitude like 1:35:46.280 --> 1:35:49.440 about He had that like old George Washington style attitude 1:35:49.439 --> 1:35:53.720 about public service, like do a thing, yeah, and then 1:35:54.160 --> 1:35:59.400 you know, do a thing, go in, dude, public service, 1:35:59.680 --> 1:36:03.720 leave public service, right yeah, let somebody else come in 1:36:03.800 --> 1:36:06.360 and yeah, And I'd be like, like, you like contribute 1:36:06.360 --> 1:36:09.960 to society, you get like reach a level of maturation, 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:15.200 do with time in public service say goodbye? Yeah? Yeah, 1:36:17.400 --> 1:36:25.080 because it doesn't happen anymore. So, Yeah, we played U 1:36:25.320 --> 1:36:29.920 Governor means inauguration, which was very weird, um because we're 1:36:29.960 --> 1:36:35.439 playing just head banging. No, but but there were people 1:36:35.720 --> 1:36:37.760 that were way too old to be doing that doing that, 1:36:37.920 --> 1:36:41.120 you know, so uh it was it was very interesting. 1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:43.400 You know. We tried to play some George Strait got 1:36:43.520 --> 1:36:46.360 him up there to sing, and he was not much 1:36:46.439 --> 1:36:51.519 for singing. Yeah, very reserved when he's on stage. Um. 1:36:52.080 --> 1:36:54.120 But yeah, that was that was kind of like that 1:36:54.240 --> 1:36:58.679 was the end of that band pretty much. We started 1:36:58.720 --> 1:37:01.519 to kind of fizzle out and I could see guess 1:37:01.560 --> 1:37:05.800 the riding on the wall and then uh, my band 1:37:06.000 --> 1:37:08.519 after we started four five years later, like I said, 1:37:08.560 --> 1:37:11.320 we were playing that that festival out in Midland, Texas, 1:37:12.120 --> 1:37:14.679 out in the world country, that's a Friday light lights country, 1:37:15.040 --> 1:37:18.840 and um, I was I was supposed to have my 1:37:18.960 --> 1:37:23.400 second kid Journey. Um like any day you named your 1:37:23.479 --> 1:37:27.800 kid journey after the band, um or just after journeys. Well, 1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:30.360 we wanted a jay name. My wife's big on the 1:37:30.840 --> 1:37:35.960 it's not alliteration. Yeah, so uh we already had one. Yeah, 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:39.680 so the second one had to be that phenomenon they 1:37:39.840 --> 1:37:42.880 go with Jay's like I grew up with Genie, John 1:37:42.920 --> 1:37:45.920 and Jason. People that want to go all letter. They 1:37:46.080 --> 1:37:49.040 rarely break from Jay. Really, I don't think can you 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:51.120 think of any examples. My wife's family is a bunch 1:37:51.120 --> 1:37:53.280 of kys. Oh they went with kids. That's very close 1:37:53.320 --> 1:38:00.040 to the what comes after Jay? We're progressive here a 1:38:00.160 --> 1:38:04.800 bunch of q You ever watched um Seven Brides for 1:38:04.880 --> 1:38:08.120 Seven Brothers. It's old musical, pretty good. It's one of 1:38:08.160 --> 1:38:11.160 my favorites. So uh. The mom wanted Bible names and 1:38:11.200 --> 1:38:15.040 a dad wanted the alphabet, so they have Abraham through 1:38:15.200 --> 1:38:17.760 F and they couldn't find the F. So they named 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:26.720 the baby Frankin. Since it's pretty good anyway, So we 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:30.160 because she was supposed to she was do really soon. 1:38:30.520 --> 1:38:33.240 I had decided to drive her car out play the show, 1:38:33.720 --> 1:38:36.519 and then we drove out. Um or, I drove out 1:38:36.680 --> 1:38:40.960 that night, and so I'm in the hospital and I 1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:44.200 find out there was only our tour manager. Who's this 1:38:44.479 --> 1:38:47.200 big dude from Uncertain Texas who was six ten. I 1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:49.120 don't know how or why he decided he should fit 1:38:49.120 --> 1:38:52.880 in a van and uncertain Texas. Uncertain Texas, yep, so 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:55.880 right right on the border Louisiana and near Cattle Lake, 1:38:55.880 --> 1:39:00.280 the only natural lake in Texas, and um, just good, 1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:03.360 good dude loved him. Uh. And then two guys I 1:39:03.400 --> 1:39:06.280 think it was our drummer and our guitar player, and 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:09.120 the guitar player was driving. He was definitely the worst 1:39:09.200 --> 1:39:11.320 driver of us all. And I don't know if there 1:39:11.400 --> 1:39:13.439 was anything involved in this accident, but I do know 1:39:13.520 --> 1:39:16.080 they were in a like construction zone where the they 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:18.720 put those concrete walls up, you know, to kind of 1:39:18.800 --> 1:39:22.800 like devvy you to a different direction, and um, they 1:39:23.280 --> 1:39:27.120 I guess somehow hit one of those total ur van. Um. 1:39:27.600 --> 1:39:31.160 Our guitar player also happened to be Uh. He's very 1:39:31.240 --> 1:39:34.559 introverted and didn't really hang out with us on trips 1:39:34.600 --> 1:39:36.519 a whole lot. He puts ear phones in, you know, 1:39:36.680 --> 1:39:40.920 and just do his own thing. Um. And but we 1:39:40.960 --> 1:39:43.360 still loved him. A good guy, you know overall. And um, 1:39:43.640 --> 1:39:46.840 he apparently totals our van. He's also kind of does 1:39:46.960 --> 1:39:49.840 like a lot of our finances, whatever that means. I mean, 1:39:50.000 --> 1:39:52.599 you know, just we got we had a couple of loans. 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:54.280 We had a loan pulled out to get our first 1:39:54.320 --> 1:39:57.679 album done, or really our second album, but our first 1:39:58.040 --> 1:40:01.640 you know, Uh, produce. We produced our first album, we 1:40:01.680 --> 1:40:04.960 wanted a different producer and um, anyway, it was tied 1:40:05.040 --> 1:40:08.280 to the van. The van was collateral on the loan 1:40:08.720 --> 1:40:13.760 note for that album. So to get the uh the 1:40:13.920 --> 1:40:17.320 van title, UM, so that we could claim insurance, we 1:40:17.400 --> 1:40:20.560 had to pay off the note for the album and 1:40:20.640 --> 1:40:23.400 it left us with sixty seven dollars in our account 1:40:24.280 --> 1:40:27.960 and and so and then uh, two weeks later, our 1:40:28.000 --> 1:40:30.800 guitar player quit, just out of out of the blue. 1:40:31.240 --> 1:40:33.599 And when he quit, there you know, he was good 1:40:33.680 --> 1:40:35.760 friends from high school with the other two dudes in 1:40:35.800 --> 1:40:37.519 the band, and they were like, man, I just don't 1:40:37.520 --> 1:40:39.400 really want to play without him. You know, things were 1:40:39.439 --> 1:40:43.120 going well um overall, but we were all just I 1:40:43.160 --> 1:40:47.040 always think that that the biggest like stifle to creativity 1:40:47.280 --> 1:40:50.320 is uh, too big a workload on people. I think 1:40:50.400 --> 1:40:53.840 that's what That's what stimy's creativity, in my opinion, is 1:40:53.920 --> 1:40:56.360 when people get so busy that they don't have time 1:40:56.400 --> 1:40:59.760 to sit there and think, you know, yeah, and so 1:41:00.520 --> 1:41:03.040 I feel like that uh, we were at that point, 1:41:03.120 --> 1:41:05.760 We're like, we're all working these jobs at pizza in 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:10.639 I was basically a glorified janitor at my dad's fishing lodge. 1:41:11.200 --> 1:41:12.880 You know, I have a degree from s m U 1:41:13.080 --> 1:41:15.320 with a economics which is like I could go get 1:41:15.360 --> 1:41:17.599 a good job in Dallas, you know, but I'm making 1:41:17.880 --> 1:41:20.400 you know, hardly anything working for my dad just because 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:22.880 he would let me go tour on the weekends, you know. 1:41:23.600 --> 1:41:27.160 And so uh, anyway, we're all just like kind of 1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:30.240 burnt a little bit, but we're doing good things. We're 1:41:30.280 --> 1:41:32.639 still just on this weird we're in this weird category. 1:41:32.680 --> 1:41:35.240 We're not making a whole lot of money still, um, 1:41:35.560 --> 1:41:38.360 but we're playing some big shows a big artist. Anyway, 1:41:38.600 --> 1:41:40.679 when he quit, everybody else to kind of fell off, 1:41:41.360 --> 1:41:43.720 and uh, I truly like kind of went into I 1:41:43.760 --> 1:41:46.599 would say I went I was depressed for like eighteen 1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:49.800 months and um, and kind of had to work through that. 1:41:50.280 --> 1:41:51.840 But that was kind of the end of the whole thing. 1:41:51.920 --> 1:41:54.679 Is just like, you know, we're playing this big festival 1:41:55.439 --> 1:41:57.439 guitar play gets in the Wreck and Totals of Van 1:41:57.560 --> 1:42:00.160 and that was But it was like at the time, 1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:01.720 I was depressed for eight teen months, But then I 1:42:01.840 --> 1:42:03.960 look back on it years later, a couple of years later, 1:42:04.439 --> 1:42:06.200 and like I got to spend all that time with 1:42:06.280 --> 1:42:09.439 my daughter as a newborn that I would not have 1:42:09.640 --> 1:42:11.400 I would have been gone all the time. You know, 1:42:11.439 --> 1:42:13.559 I was gone all the time. And my son at 1:42:13.600 --> 1:42:17.639 the time, you know, he's five at the time, four 1:42:17.760 --> 1:42:20.040 years old whatever it is. So you know, we're just 1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:22.960 like I got to spend some like precious time with 1:42:23.080 --> 1:42:25.840 them that I would don't. I would not trade anything 1:42:25.920 --> 1:42:29.200 for good. Yeah, and so I it was definitely blessing. 1:42:29.520 --> 1:42:33.439 I'm very glad it happened. And now things are a 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:36.880 lot more calm and have a you know, decent job, 1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:39.800 and I'm just really appreciative for that as opposed to, 1:42:40.720 --> 1:42:44.479 you know, doing the touring thing. It's hard. You probably 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:47.280 talked co about it, so it's it's not always easy. 1:42:47.439 --> 1:42:49.400 And he's doing he's super successful right now, so he 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:52.280 probably gets to you know, at the time, we were 1:42:52.320 --> 1:42:55.040 loading all our own stuff in and out. I was 1:42:55.160 --> 1:42:57.559 driving the van a lot. And I don't sleep well, 1:42:57.840 --> 1:43:00.720 you know, like I mean, if I I'll wake up 1:43:00.760 --> 1:43:04.040 when it pen drops, you know. So it's just I didn't. 1:43:04.120 --> 1:43:05.960 I would go to sleep at four and wake up 1:43:06.000 --> 1:43:08.479 at six thirty, you know, and then go do it 1:43:08.520 --> 1:43:11.600 all over again. Bloodshot. It was. It was tough for 1:43:11.680 --> 1:43:13.519 a twenty five year old. Even it's tough, you know, 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:15.840 I can't imagine doing it right now for sure. So 1:43:15.880 --> 1:43:20.200 how did you guys meet? Funny story, you say it 1:43:20.240 --> 1:43:23.800 how you wanted. So I will always joke that we 1:43:23.880 --> 1:43:27.040 made on the internet. Um, but we didn't go to 1:43:27.040 --> 1:43:30.160 the same high school. Uh, but my wife is from 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:32.400 the same hometown as Tyler's right up the road, you know, 1:43:32.560 --> 1:43:35.200 like uh like eighteen miles or something like that. I 1:43:35.280 --> 1:43:38.920 don't know. Um. And um, when my wife and I 1:43:39.080 --> 1:43:42.920 were dating, she was like, Hey, this guy fly fishes. 1:43:43.120 --> 1:43:44.880 You should go fly fish with him because I like 1:43:44.960 --> 1:43:47.400 to fly fish a lot too. Um. And so I 1:43:47.479 --> 1:43:50.360 was like, okay, you made a film going fishing at 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:52.559 the Valley of at All in New Mexico and I watched. 1:43:52.600 --> 1:43:54.680 I was like it was pretty cool. Yeah. So uh 1:43:55.200 --> 1:43:57.680 she was like, now, um, I don't think she regrets it, 1:43:57.800 --> 1:44:01.920 but now fly fishing for large mouths or you went 1:44:01.960 --> 1:44:05.160 to trout water no, So like it's funny, yeah a 1:44:05.280 --> 1:44:07.479 little bit. But um, we kind of grew up in 1:44:07.520 --> 1:44:11.160 that bass culture thing with like fancy boats, fancy trucks, 1:44:11.200 --> 1:44:13.639 and we didn't really weren't in it that much because 1:44:13.720 --> 1:44:17.080 we were pretty poor. But like we saw that this 1:44:17.160 --> 1:44:19.360 firsthand for me because my dad had a fishing lodge 1:44:19.400 --> 1:44:21.800 and that was I mean, it was just like the 1:44:21.960 --> 1:44:25.080 nineties were crazy at Fork, like it was operation world Record. 1:44:25.400 --> 1:44:27.000 I mean they were trying to break the world record 1:44:27.040 --> 1:44:29.200 at Fork. It was like all this new, this whole 1:44:29.240 --> 1:44:32.360 new school thought as like pertaining to large mouth bass. 1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:34.679 Text parks and wildlife was trying to grow the biggest 1:44:34.760 --> 1:44:36.960 bass they could and Fork was a place that they 1:44:37.000 --> 1:44:39.920 were supposed to do it. You know, they're a double 1:44:39.960 --> 1:44:42.599 digit every day in the spring. It felt like whenever, 1:44:42.880 --> 1:44:45.840 like in those days like that. I mean, it was 1:44:45.920 --> 1:44:48.960 just it was crazy that that fishing lodge was a 1:44:49.080 --> 1:44:53.080 large mouth bass fishing lodge. Um, they called it a 1:44:53.160 --> 1:44:56.080 bass and breakfast. It was kind of a play on words. Yeah, 1:44:56.120 --> 1:44:59.840 so um it was. It was pretty much still probably 1:45:00.080 --> 1:45:02.760 is the hot kind of the more high class, one 1:45:02.800 --> 1:45:05.479 of the nicer places on the lake. Yeah. It's got 1:45:05.520 --> 1:45:08.479 seven rooms and my dad it was originally like a 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:12.360 house slash real estate office for when the lake, you know, 1:45:12.439 --> 1:45:15.439 when they did eminent domain, all the lake, all the 1:45:15.520 --> 1:45:18.080 new property around the lake is all a sudden worth 1:45:18.280 --> 1:45:20.519 a lot more like it took a lot of money 1:45:20.560 --> 1:45:23.240 away from those land away from those landowners. But it 1:45:23.320 --> 1:45:27.080 also created this new lake front property that is worth 1:45:27.120 --> 1:45:30.040 a lot of money. And so this guy, this proprietor 1:45:30.200 --> 1:45:33.559 kind of opens up this business slash his house. It's 1:45:33.560 --> 1:45:35.920 a big place. While he sold it to my dad, 1:45:36.200 --> 1:45:38.000 and my dad kind of renovated a little bit and 1:45:38.280 --> 1:45:40.840 put bathrooms in rooms and what's it called Lake FOURK 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:48.360 Lodge pass and breakfast. So he's well, they used to make. 1:45:48.400 --> 1:45:50.720 My mom's a really good cook and and they used 1:45:50.760 --> 1:45:52.720 to make a huge breakfast for everybody stayed there at 1:45:52.720 --> 1:45:54.840 ten thirty. So the guys would fish the morning and 1:45:54.960 --> 1:45:58.040 bring them all back in and they'd eat just you know, 1:45:58.640 --> 1:46:01.799 sixty eggs and all the biscuits and gravy and sinemon 1:46:01.880 --> 1:46:06.120 rolls and everything. My mom made everything, you know homemade. Yeah, 1:46:06.200 --> 1:46:08.840 my parents still do it, but they they have scaled 1:46:08.880 --> 1:46:11.679 back a lot because as you could imagine, phone calls 1:46:11.720 --> 1:46:14.839 at midnight from you know, they pretty much do groups, 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:16.679 and they kind of do it more like an airbnb 1:46:17.040 --> 1:46:18.400 thing where it's like, hey, you kind of take care 1:46:18.400 --> 1:46:20.240 of yourself where you're there this weekend. You know, So 1:46:20.360 --> 1:46:23.400 you rebelled and decided to become a trout fisherman kind of. 1:46:24.000 --> 1:46:27.400 I don't know. Originally I was fly fishing for bass 1:46:27.520 --> 1:46:32.320 because you know, at sixteen or whatever, seventeen like, but 1:46:32.439 --> 1:46:35.080 not really, I don't really. The Rockies is a whole 1:46:35.120 --> 1:46:39.280 different world, you know. Um, But if in college that's 1:46:39.320 --> 1:46:41.160 what I dreamed about. I didn't have any free time 1:46:41.200 --> 1:46:44.479 in college. I mean we were practicing like probably three 1:46:44.960 --> 1:46:48.080 fifteen thirty days a year, you know, so any time. 1:46:48.120 --> 1:46:50.960 But my dream I would read books about fly fishing 1:46:51.040 --> 1:46:55.320 and tied flies in my own room and just you know, 1:46:55.640 --> 1:46:57.400 that was what I wanted to do. And I don't 1:46:57.439 --> 1:47:01.800 know if it was like an active counterculture role mindset, 1:47:02.320 --> 1:47:07.120 but it probably was countercultural subconscious nudged that way a lot, 1:47:07.360 --> 1:47:09.240 you know, because you kind of just see this whole 1:47:10.120 --> 1:47:13.720 just like flash and bang of big bass fishing and 1:47:13.840 --> 1:47:16.360 ninety thousand dollar boats and ninety thousand dollar trucks and 1:47:16.920 --> 1:47:18.640 you know, all the things that come with it, and 1:47:18.720 --> 1:47:21.080 it's like, I don't know, it's a little bit of 1:47:21.160 --> 1:47:22.920 that and a little bit of also this whole mystique 1:47:22.920 --> 1:47:27.240 and the Rockies. The inability to to buy ELK tags, 1:47:27.439 --> 1:47:29.559 when you can go get to thirty dollar fishing license, 1:47:29.640 --> 1:47:32.320 you know, that's kind of what drove me that way. 1:47:32.360 --> 1:47:34.600 Probably you guys caught wind of each other. Yeah. I 1:47:34.760 --> 1:47:37.400 was actually living on the coast, working for a fist 1:47:38.000 --> 1:47:41.280 and spending all my free time fly fishing in the bay. 1:47:41.720 --> 1:47:43.400 That's how I learned how to fly fish pretty much. 1:47:43.400 --> 1:47:44.760 I was like Tyler, I had that you know, the 1:47:44.800 --> 1:47:47.840 warm trout, yeah, red trout and flounder, you know, and 1:47:48.040 --> 1:47:51.519 and honestly, I really like catching sheep head, which might 1:47:51.560 --> 1:47:53.800 be different than what you'll call it sheepid, but I 1:47:53.880 --> 1:47:56.439 know that. I know that about big teeth. You know, 1:47:56.520 --> 1:47:58.519 jump some tarp in too. I did jump some tarping 1:47:58.640 --> 1:48:02.360 on fly. Yeah that's kind of wild. Um. So that's 1:48:02.400 --> 1:48:06.960 how we kind of started lining up. Was m Tyler 1:48:07.200 --> 1:48:09.040 saved my name in his phone is what was it? 1:48:09.920 --> 1:48:14.519 Uh something? Because I really wanted to catch her red 1:48:14.560 --> 1:48:16.240 fish you know at the time on the fly. So 1:48:16.560 --> 1:48:20.920 we still haven't done that. But um, I was up there. 1:48:21.080 --> 1:48:22.920 I was long distance with my girlfriend at that time, 1:48:22.960 --> 1:48:25.040 who's my wife now, and I was up visiting her 1:48:25.680 --> 1:48:28.559 and him and I planned a little fly fishing trip 1:48:28.640 --> 1:48:31.960 to a place that we have um uh striper fishery, um, 1:48:32.200 --> 1:48:35.280 you know, stock strapper fishery. I think they might reproduce 1:48:35.320 --> 1:48:38.280 there anyways, it's there's enough salinity that I think they 1:48:38.320 --> 1:48:41.400 have reproducing population, So pretty good fishery. I actually caught 1:48:41.439 --> 1:48:43.560 one there a month before, a nice fish, like you know, 1:48:43.760 --> 1:48:48.559 twenty five in long fish and um, so we took 1:48:48.600 --> 1:48:51.280 a little trip up there, and Tyler was like, hey, man, 1:48:51.360 --> 1:48:53.800 you monify like film this and I was like sure, man, 1:48:53.880 --> 1:48:55.560 I don't care. You know, whatever sounds cool, and we 1:48:55.800 --> 1:48:57.720 like put together a little thing, you know, just kind 1:48:57.760 --> 1:49:00.800 of for fun. And then like a month later he's like, hey, 1:49:01.680 --> 1:49:03.600 you want to come up and we'll drive to Arizona 1:49:03.800 --> 1:49:06.360 in fish for twenty four hours and then drive that home. 1:49:06.760 --> 1:49:09.360 And I was like absolutely, So then we took off 1:49:09.400 --> 1:49:12.320 across the country to go, uh catching Apache trout, which 1:49:12.439 --> 1:49:15.439 is kind of a rare native trout species. Is that 1:49:15.520 --> 1:49:20.599 a cutthroat pretty much like a subspecies of cutthroat, which, uh, 1:49:20.920 --> 1:49:23.240 your friend Mark Kennon would probably have some interesting things 1:49:23.280 --> 1:49:25.559 to say about how that all works. You know, Uh, 1:49:25.720 --> 1:49:31.400 there's group there's groupers or lumpers, and then there's dividers split. Yeah. Um, 1:49:32.200 --> 1:49:33.640 whether no matter how you feel on that, they do 1:49:33.760 --> 1:49:35.840 look different. So it's fun to cross those off your list. 1:49:35.920 --> 1:49:38.200 And in the native fish live in some really cool 1:49:38.280 --> 1:49:42.200 places and uh really, um, we made a video from that. 1:49:42.560 --> 1:49:44.680 It's pretty cool. We called the Apache Trout like we 1:49:44.760 --> 1:49:46.360 wanted to. And then on the way home from there, 1:49:46.400 --> 1:49:49.519 we kind of, like I don't know, also decided we 1:49:49.600 --> 1:49:52.320 like to deer hunt, and uh, Tyler kind of floated 1:49:52.320 --> 1:49:55.120 the idea of having a podcast, Um to me while 1:49:55.160 --> 1:49:59.200 we're driving home through hail storms. Yeah, how many years 1:49:59.200 --> 1:50:02.760 ago is this? That was sixteen early and six mid 1:50:03.080 --> 1:50:05.400 summer sixteen. So what do you guys do with your 1:50:05.439 --> 1:50:09.080 patchy trout video? You put it on YouTube. It's on YouTube. Ye, yeah, 1:50:09.240 --> 1:50:13.519 it's a pretty low views, like six minutes. It's gotta 1:50:13.720 --> 1:50:24.920 a couple hundred views on it. Well, did you guys 1:50:24.960 --> 1:50:26.840 get into it thinking you're just good do it for fun? 1:50:26.960 --> 1:50:28.200 Or did you get it thinking that you were going 1:50:28.240 --> 1:50:31.200 to figure out a way to like do outdoor media. Um, 1:50:31.320 --> 1:50:33.639 but just do it on your own without We definitely 1:50:33.760 --> 1:50:36.080 had different outlooks on this. Tyler is a visionary. I 1:50:36.120 --> 1:50:39.120 mean you can sell by starting bands doing all that stuff, 1:50:39.160 --> 1:50:42.759 you know, Um, I am much more of a free spirit, 1:50:42.800 --> 1:50:45.720 which not to say he isn't. But I just was like, 1:50:45.840 --> 1:50:47.680 this is fun cool. I kind of fly out the 1:50:47.680 --> 1:50:49.320 seat of the pants, kind of impulsive a little bit, 1:50:49.320 --> 1:50:50.840 which my wife will tell you. I'm not so I 1:50:50.880 --> 1:50:53.680 don't understand you know of stuff, but thank you by 1:50:53.720 --> 1:51:03.640 the leg of your pants. Yeah, man, Tylered experimented with 1:51:03.680 --> 1:51:06.360 the outdoor stuff a little bit before that. Yeah, I did, 1:51:06.600 --> 1:51:12.679 uh kind of having video and ducks and whatever forever. 1:51:13.040 --> 1:51:15.960 But yeah, I mean, I've always have always wanted to 1:51:16.040 --> 1:51:17.880 do what I'm doing right now for a living, Like 1:51:17.960 --> 1:51:21.360 It's always been the goal. Even like even when I 1:51:22.400 --> 1:51:25.360 when I was chasing the music dream, I always thought 1:51:25.560 --> 1:51:28.160 if there was something one thing I could do besides 1:51:28.280 --> 1:51:30.280 music that I would rather do, it would be this. 1:51:30.640 --> 1:51:34.200 Do you'd rather do more than being a rock and 1:51:34.320 --> 1:51:36.800 roll star? Yeah, I think so. I love and I 1:51:36.960 --> 1:51:39.880 love creating music right there. Oh, this is I mean, 1:51:39.920 --> 1:51:42.280 it's what it's literally, it's who I am. Like I 1:51:42.520 --> 1:51:45.400 this is what I've done since I was I mean, 1:51:45.439 --> 1:51:47.760 I was running around one time. It was a quick 1:51:47.800 --> 1:51:50.720 little story interjection here, Sorry, my dad. I left a 1:51:51.600 --> 1:51:56.360 red rider out in the rain and and uh leaned 1:51:56.400 --> 1:51:59.479 up against chain Lake fence and it rusted and my 1:51:59.640 --> 1:52:03.000 dad got he's a gun he's very strict with gun safety. 1:52:03.720 --> 1:52:06.400 So he got, you know, a little bit perturbed by that, 1:52:07.040 --> 1:52:09.360 and so he banned me from my gun for a 1:52:09.479 --> 1:52:11.840 long time. I don't know, it was like probably a year, 1:52:12.800 --> 1:52:15.960 but he, uh, he made me a bow out of 1:52:15.960 --> 1:52:19.000 a willow tree and it's literally like cut the branch 1:52:19.080 --> 1:52:22.479 in two spots, tie some trot line string mcnotchet, tie 1:52:22.520 --> 1:52:24.000 some trot line string to it. And he gave me 1:52:24.000 --> 1:52:26.559 an aluminum arrow. And that was what I hunted birds 1:52:26.600 --> 1:52:32.760 with for a year. I never killed. You always do 1:52:32.840 --> 1:52:35.040 with the red riders. It would rust them out, is uh. 1:52:35.720 --> 1:52:37.759 We'd speed load them where you put all your babies 1:52:37.800 --> 1:52:40.800 in your mouth, like hundreds of babies in your mouth, 1:52:41.240 --> 1:52:44.840 then you line up your mouth to that port, blow 1:52:44.880 --> 1:52:48.519 them all in there, and you just could rust your ships. Man, 1:52:48.600 --> 1:52:51.120 I had a daisy. Everybody's got the like leave the 1:52:51.320 --> 1:52:53.080 or maybe not everybody. A lot of people of that 1:52:53.479 --> 1:52:55.559 leave the baby gun out and get in trouble. Story. 1:52:55.640 --> 1:52:57.560 I feel like it's a thing. It's like almost a 1:52:57.600 --> 1:52:59.519 rite of patches us. It was if you left the 1:52:59.560 --> 1:53:03.120 old man's tools out. Yeah, I was getting in trouble 1:53:03.160 --> 1:53:05.280 for a roof and hammer a lot because it's kind 1:53:05.280 --> 1:53:07.280 of like a hatchet. I'd always take that bath. Uh. 1:53:07.680 --> 1:53:10.519 But I was doing that with a Daisy twenty two 1:53:10.560 --> 1:53:14.360 caliber um, you know, like bolt action, and those are lead. 1:53:14.800 --> 1:53:18.799 So as a kid, I was packing lead lead pellets 1:53:18.880 --> 1:53:23.439 in my lip like it was snuff. And it's a 1:53:23.479 --> 1:53:26.080 great way to carry him, you know. And so yeah, 1:53:26.400 --> 1:53:28.280 if I like twitch a little bit, that's probably why 1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:33.120 I remember, Uh, my old man, we left someone left 1:53:33.160 --> 1:53:35.160 the tools out in the yard and they got rained on. 1:53:35.720 --> 1:53:37.920 And remember my old man taking me my two brothers 1:53:37.960 --> 1:53:39.720 and putting us in the bathroom with the light out, 1:53:41.760 --> 1:53:43.280 and he said, when someone's ready to tell me who 1:53:43.320 --> 1:53:44.519 left those tools on in the rain, and three of 1:53:44.560 --> 1:53:46.680 you can come out of that bathroom. And no one 1:53:46.760 --> 1:53:49.559 had any idea. I can't hereby we're just I feel 1:53:49.560 --> 1:53:53.240 like someone had the way we remember it, someone had 1:53:53.280 --> 1:53:55.360 even to come out and be like, I didn't you know, 1:53:55.760 --> 1:53:58.080 no one had any idea. You couldn't come out of 1:53:58.120 --> 1:54:00.680 the bath roountil. Someone's gonna clarify for the two left 1:54:00.680 --> 1:54:02.640 the tools on the rain. There's such a big thing 1:54:02.720 --> 1:54:05.719 to So you were the youngest, did you get remember 1:54:05.800 --> 1:54:07.360 like that? Feeling that you'd be laying in bed and 1:54:07.400 --> 1:54:10.840 then start raining, and just the feeling a dread that 1:54:11.040 --> 1:54:13.400 you know something's out in the rain. It's not the 1:54:13.479 --> 1:54:19.040 rain outside, just to feeling like you're gonna wake up 1:54:19.120 --> 1:54:21.439 and be like, oh no, we left that out in 1:54:21.479 --> 1:54:23.160 the rain and in all the trump but you're gonna 1:54:23.160 --> 1:54:29.120 be rain anxiety for sure. It's constant. Yeah, So that's 1:54:29.200 --> 1:54:30.479 kind of how we kind of got together, was the 1:54:30.560 --> 1:54:32.880 fly fishing thing, and then decided we deer hunt. Yeah, 1:54:33.280 --> 1:54:35.360 so how many how many how many videos have you 1:54:35.400 --> 1:54:38.680 guys made it as the Elements four hunt? I think 1:54:38.840 --> 1:54:42.160 it's OK. Yeah, I mean there's probably a few that 1:54:42.240 --> 1:54:44.560 we made that aren't on the channel too. There's definitely 1:54:44.640 --> 1:54:48.480 some we've got something. We've got something pervace that we're 1:54:48.480 --> 1:54:50.840 going to media channel at some point, so some new ones. 1:54:51.880 --> 1:54:52.920 How did you guys come up with the name of 1:54:52.960 --> 1:54:58.200 the Element? I wanted something, so I wanted something that 1:54:59.320 --> 1:55:01.800 basically I was trying to compete with meat Eater, right, 1:55:02.120 --> 1:55:04.080 so I needed something that was broad. I didn't because 1:55:04.120 --> 1:55:06.840 we I mean, I love deer hunting and I think 1:55:06.840 --> 1:55:08.960 I've learned a lot about it the last few years especially, 1:55:09.280 --> 1:55:11.920 but I mean what we did growing up, Like whatever 1:55:12.000 --> 1:55:14.000 season it was, that's what you did, you know, if 1:55:14.080 --> 1:55:18.240 it's smart, Yeah exactly. So, I mean we did everything, 1:55:18.280 --> 1:55:21.360 and I love doing everything. I love fishing and hunting everything. 1:55:21.600 --> 1:55:23.720 So that's what we did growing up, and that's what 1:55:23.800 --> 1:55:26.400 I wanted to do eventually with the Element. But I 1:55:26.440 --> 1:55:28.600 also knew like if we niche down a little bit, 1:55:28.960 --> 1:55:30.800 we can gain some traction because why it tells a 1:55:30.800 --> 1:55:35.480 pretty big category. And so, um, I I left the name. 1:55:35.680 --> 1:55:39.160 It's kind of like a broad thing and uh and 1:55:39.200 --> 1:55:41.400 then we need to become a rock band that name. 1:55:41.600 --> 1:55:48.160 Yeah yeah yeah, um so yeah, that's that's kind of 1:55:48.240 --> 1:55:51.400 the reason I wanted the name to be, to be 1:55:51.600 --> 1:55:55.920 able to represent like whatever you're doing is what you're doing, 1:55:56.040 --> 1:55:59.360 you know, but you guys have had You've guys had 1:55:59.400 --> 1:56:03.880 the most action and become known for just like on 1:56:04.000 --> 1:56:06.960 the fly wait til hunting Yeah yeah, which, like I said, 1:56:07.000 --> 1:56:10.640 it's like they tail version of running and gunning for turkeys. Yeah, 1:56:10.840 --> 1:56:13.280 I mean that's what. Yeah, I mean, that's and he's like, 1:56:14.320 --> 1:56:17.480 like he mentioned, he's always down for a good time 1:56:17.720 --> 1:56:21.200 and he's always just like he's super optimistic. His uh 1:56:21.600 --> 1:56:24.400 just positive spin on everything, I mean, and that's like, 1:56:24.520 --> 1:56:26.840 that's a big part of this deal because uh, we 1:56:27.040 --> 1:56:28.920 had no money when we started this thing at all. 1:56:29.040 --> 1:56:31.240 It was just like I had some cameras. I actually 1:56:31.280 --> 1:56:34.800 did wedding wedding film, wedding videography so that I could 1:56:34.800 --> 1:56:39.800 pay for cameras to do this, and basically we uh 1:56:41.560 --> 1:56:44.520 he his his kind of optimism is what got us 1:56:44.560 --> 1:56:48.400 through because we're hunting public land pressured stuff, especially in 1:56:48.520 --> 1:56:51.840 Texas where we started, lots of people, little deer, not 1:56:52.040 --> 1:56:54.480 very many bucks, low kind of low deer density areas, 1:56:55.080 --> 1:56:57.600 and that sounds great. Yeah, it's so much funny. It's 1:56:57.600 --> 1:56:58.920 so much funny. You know, you're just sitting in a 1:56:58.960 --> 1:57:01.000 tree waiting on something to walk by, you know, and 1:57:01.160 --> 1:57:04.000 nothing does most of the time. So it was a 1:57:04.040 --> 1:57:08.280 struggle and uh like for me, h, knowing that we 1:57:08.360 --> 1:57:11.280 needed to make videos, I mean to to have any 1:57:11.320 --> 1:57:14.280 sort of traction happened that it was hard. I got 1:57:14.320 --> 1:57:16.440 down on myself a lot about it. And so having 1:57:16.520 --> 1:57:20.160 him around is like crucial to our his like mentality 1:57:20.400 --> 1:57:25.480 to our what we that's then it's crucial to um, 1:57:26.480 --> 1:57:28.080 I try to be as optimistic as I can, and 1:57:28.200 --> 1:57:31.600 it really isn't even it's it's very inert within me. 1:57:31.760 --> 1:57:34.600 Yeah you want to try. So it's not that like 1:57:34.760 --> 1:57:38.320 I'm optimist, but I'm just always looking for the next 1:57:38.440 --> 1:57:41.160 good thing to do, and not like a not like 1:57:41.280 --> 1:57:43.960 a fix or a high. But like, if we're in 1:57:44.000 --> 1:57:47.080 a situation this is this is like the microcasm of 1:57:47.240 --> 1:57:53.120 how we are twenty nineteen eighteen. Um. We are calling 1:57:53.200 --> 1:57:56.160 in a buck on public land, rattling them in from 1:57:56.200 --> 1:57:59.560 three fifty yards out. I'm the shooter, Tyler's the videographer. 1:58:00.200 --> 1:58:03.680 Uh rallis deer in liket yards and I take the 1:58:03.760 --> 1:58:07.280 shot and my arrow deflects off of something grass or 1:58:07.320 --> 1:58:09.960 something like that, and immediately I'm grabbing another era I'm 1:58:09.960 --> 1:58:11.640 like trying to kill it, dear still, and Tyler like, 1:58:17.880 --> 1:58:21.200 and then on the way home, I'm like, oh man, 1:58:21.520 --> 1:58:23.400 that's s dunk. And then Tyler, you know, Tyler's kind 1:58:23.400 --> 1:58:25.360 of over it already, but like in the moment, I'm like, 1:58:25.600 --> 1:58:27.480 let's go, you know, like we just gotta get this 1:58:27.600 --> 1:58:29.840 thing done, whatever it takes to do it, which just 1:58:29.880 --> 1:58:32.600 sounds so cliche, you know, but the reason cliches exist 1:58:32.720 --> 1:58:34.120 is because a lot of times they're true. And a 1:58:34.160 --> 1:58:36.040 lot of times the thing you need to do. So yeah, 1:58:36.080 --> 1:58:40.720 that's kind of how I operate. Just um uh Tyler, Um, 1:58:41.040 --> 1:58:42.800 you're not critical of me of this, but you've pointed 1:58:42.840 --> 1:58:44.800 out I'll put it that way, Tyler, this is great. 1:58:44.840 --> 1:58:47.600 We have a great relationship because what we do in 1:58:47.680 --> 1:58:50.040 the woods is we stand next to one another and 1:58:50.200 --> 1:58:52.200 we shoot as many holes in the boat as we can, 1:58:52.960 --> 1:58:55.160 uh proverbably not like the boat we're hunt out of, 1:58:55.920 --> 1:59:00.840 but um, until we just find run the sieve through 1:59:00.880 --> 1:59:03.400 the idea, until we find the idea of what to 1:59:03.480 --> 1:59:05.920 do hunting. And that's what we do. And so where 1:59:06.000 --> 1:59:07.360 was I going with that? Whenever I was talking about that, 1:59:07.400 --> 1:59:09.480 I kind of got lost. You were talking about the 1:59:09.960 --> 1:59:12.920 microchasm of our Yeah, yeah, just that that's kind of 1:59:12.960 --> 1:59:15.560 how we are. So like, I'll have an idea and 1:59:15.600 --> 1:59:17.280 Tyler was like, no, we can't do that because this 1:59:17.400 --> 1:59:19.960 isn't this And like, if you learn to put your 1:59:19.960 --> 1:59:22.280 pride aside and understand that you're both trying to have 1:59:22.600 --> 1:59:25.680 the best outcome, then you can get that. But if 1:59:25.720 --> 1:59:27.200 you're the guys like, well, why don't we want to 1:59:27.280 --> 1:59:30.640 do my idea become possessive of like like you want 1:59:30.680 --> 1:59:33.120 to own the end results, so you feel like you 1:59:33.200 --> 1:59:35.360 need to own the process. Yeah. If you can get 1:59:35.440 --> 1:59:38.120 by that, man, you can you can do some stuff. Yeah. Yeah, 1:59:38.400 --> 1:59:41.680 that's that's it. I think even in business, like that's 1:59:41.680 --> 1:59:42.920 the way to be. Like, you have to be able 1:59:42.920 --> 1:59:47.360 to speak to another person straightforward. There's no reason to 1:59:47.680 --> 1:59:49.960 mess around, you know, like, let me tell you how 1:59:50.040 --> 1:59:52.520 I think about it, and don't get offended. And I won't. 1:59:52.880 --> 1:59:55.280 I'm not saying anything about you. I'm just saying this 1:59:55.440 --> 1:59:58.080 is my idea, So what do you think about that? 1:59:58.160 --> 2:00:01.040 And we just could constantly. That's like, that's a business thing, 2:00:01.120 --> 2:00:03.640 but it's also it's how we kill deer. What I 2:00:03.760 --> 2:00:06.040 was saying was what your critical ever bring up about me? 2:00:06.520 --> 2:00:09.240 That's what I was saying. The um, I'm kind of 2:00:09.400 --> 2:00:12.480 a little bit too optimistic sometimes, so It'll be the 2:00:12.600 --> 2:00:14.920 last day of a hunt eleven am and I'm still 2:00:14.960 --> 2:00:16.640 like trying to rattle in dear on the way out 2:00:16.680 --> 2:00:19.400 of the woods or something like that. That's that's me. 2:00:19.560 --> 2:00:21.760 I'm that guy, like got you're slow to switch it 2:00:21.800 --> 2:00:24.080 into the holy ship mode. I don't. I don't take 2:00:24.120 --> 2:00:25.760 my release off pretty much till I get back to 2:00:25.760 --> 2:00:29.480 the truck, you know, yeah, and where Tyler's like, Okay, 2:00:29.520 --> 2:00:31.360 let's get home and see the family, you know, which 2:00:31.400 --> 2:00:33.440 is a good thing. Uh So just you know, a 2:00:33.520 --> 2:00:35.120 different way we operate. You guys, ever get in to 2:00:35.160 --> 2:00:37.880 a fist fight. Never fist fight, no, no, never even 2:00:37.960 --> 2:00:41.080 yelled at each other. But we've had our disagreements, for sure. 2:00:41.920 --> 2:00:44.880 We Uh, this thing Tyler remarks about a lot. And 2:00:44.920 --> 2:00:47.560 I think it's kind of interesting is we're both Christians. Uh, 2:00:47.680 --> 2:00:49.360 we kind of try to live by a certain set 2:00:49.400 --> 2:00:52.800 of standards and uh, you'll never this. Now, this stuff 2:00:52.840 --> 2:00:55.160 only happens between us, right, We we usually keep these 2:00:55.160 --> 2:00:58.880 disagreements pretty private. Um, but you'll never see two grown 2:00:58.880 --> 2:01:04.200 men like be very vehemient with one another and not 2:01:04.480 --> 2:01:09.240 say a single cuss word the whole time. It's yeah, yeah, 2:01:09.320 --> 2:01:12.720 So it's like we have a lot of pauses like 2:01:13.360 --> 2:01:15.800 like what do I say? And it kind of goes 2:01:15.840 --> 2:01:17.400 back to like the leap for all Triestians, like how 2:01:17.400 --> 2:01:20.080 do I not escalate the situation? You know? That's right, 2:01:20.200 --> 2:01:23.520 that's right, And honestly, we we um, we still have 2:01:23.600 --> 2:01:25.800 disagreements from time to time, but we haven't really ever 2:01:25.920 --> 2:01:27.600 had like a knockdown drag out, I'm not doing this 2:01:27.640 --> 2:01:30.360 anymore too much kind of deal. Were you guys? Were 2:01:30.400 --> 2:01:34.640 you guys raised the religious households? Yeah? Yeah, there was 2:01:34.720 --> 2:01:37.640 a moment, uh though, just to go back to what 2:01:37.720 --> 2:01:39.240 you said, where I was like I was pretty much 2:01:39.280 --> 2:01:42.880 done with the element. There was a moment, yeah, Like 2:01:43.000 --> 2:01:48.960 I got to the point where no, I just we 2:01:49.240 --> 2:01:52.560 So at postseason there's always this kind of like postseason 2:01:52.680 --> 2:01:54.800 drag where you're like, man, it's cold, there's nothing to do. 2:01:55.560 --> 2:01:57.160 We didn't have as good a season we wanted as 2:01:57.200 --> 2:02:01.000 we wanted maybe uh, like early on especially, and and 2:02:01.600 --> 2:02:03.600 we're in that same mode where I was talking about 2:02:03.640 --> 2:02:05.680 with my band earlier. We're like, uh, we have to 2:02:05.720 --> 2:02:09.160 go work jobs and then also do this part time. 2:02:09.320 --> 2:02:12.040 You know, however we can make ends meet. And so 2:02:12.360 --> 2:02:15.520 you know, he did a lot of um, he did 2:02:15.560 --> 2:02:17.920 a lot of carpentry work because that's kind of where 2:02:17.960 --> 2:02:20.480 he grew up, was in that that space and so 2:02:21.160 --> 2:02:24.200 uh and so the reason that I ended up doing 2:02:24.280 --> 2:02:26.440 a lot of the the editing and stuff like that 2:02:26.600 --> 2:02:30.720 for videos UM was I had like we had sold 2:02:30.760 --> 2:02:34.000 a house in um the house that my wife and 2:02:34.040 --> 2:02:36.880 I bought when we first got married, and uh, we 2:02:37.040 --> 2:02:39.320 took like everything I made off of that she worked 2:02:39.440 --> 2:02:41.760 as a teacher, which is not a very good income, 2:02:41.800 --> 2:02:44.360 but it's okay, you know, and then took all the 2:02:44.440 --> 2:02:47.800 money that we made, which wasn't a bunch, and that's 2:02:47.800 --> 2:02:49.800 what we lived on for the next few years while 2:02:49.800 --> 2:02:51.320 I just edited every day. He didn't have a job, 2:02:51.760 --> 2:02:56.040 and so like full transparency, you know, it feels like 2:02:56.240 --> 2:02:59.520 he's going out and making money. I'm editing and not 2:02:59.720 --> 2:03:02.720 making any money and keeping this thing afloat, and and 2:03:02.840 --> 2:03:04.800 it's just a hard time right in like a business 2:03:04.840 --> 2:03:09.480 owner of proprietor's life. And it was like just a struggle. 2:03:09.640 --> 2:03:12.760 And so it came down like after the season where 2:03:12.760 --> 2:03:16.080 I told my wife, I was like, I'm not I 2:03:16.120 --> 2:03:19.160 would rather than lose a friend and be like angry 2:03:19.200 --> 2:03:21.040 at him or him be angry at me and me 2:03:21.160 --> 2:03:23.960 all have to make a passive aggressive statement or whatever. 2:03:24.400 --> 2:03:27.080 I'd rather just say done with this, you know, and 2:03:27.600 --> 2:03:29.960 finding find a decent job or whatever, you know, we 2:03:30.080 --> 2:03:32.360 wanted to do at the time. And so I had 2:03:32.440 --> 2:03:34.280 gotten to that point and that was like probably the 2:03:34.360 --> 2:03:35.840 last one of the last times that he and I 2:03:36.000 --> 2:03:41.160 had like a an argument. Yeah, And so when during 2:03:41.280 --> 2:03:44.320 these years when you were being so like I I 2:03:44.440 --> 2:03:46.640 appreciate all the elbow greef so like. I think it 2:03:46.800 --> 2:03:49.560 like a principled existence where you're you were going to be. 2:03:49.760 --> 2:03:53.400 You pursued music, you pursued you know, being an outdoor 2:03:53.480 --> 2:03:56.680 media like stuff. That's hard. Did your wife ever was 2:03:56.800 --> 2:03:59.760 shiver like listen, man, I heard the phone companies hiring. 2:04:00.320 --> 2:04:06.080 There was definitely sometimes oh yeah, like towards probably she 2:04:06.280 --> 2:04:09.760 was really like, I mean at this point, like I've 2:04:09.840 --> 2:04:15.240 been out of college for ten or twelve years or 2:04:15.280 --> 2:04:17.600 whatever it is. I can't even think about it right now, 2:04:17.760 --> 2:04:19.840 but it's been a while, and and the whole time 2:04:19.960 --> 2:04:23.360 we've lived very poor. Like I've sat with my hand 2:04:23.840 --> 2:04:25.880 my head in my hands in the driveway thinking how 2:04:25.880 --> 2:04:29.440 am I gonna pay for you know, five mortgage? And 2:04:29.600 --> 2:04:31.040 I said, cheap mortgage, you know what I mean. We 2:04:31.120 --> 2:04:33.000 had a little house, so I mean not a little house, 2:04:33.040 --> 2:04:35.400 but at a cheap house that we bought in the recession. 2:04:36.160 --> 2:04:39.480 And uh, it came it came down to where she 2:04:39.560 --> 2:04:41.480 was like, listen, we got to put an ultimatum on 2:04:41.560 --> 2:04:43.040 this thing, Like there's got to be a time where 2:04:43.080 --> 2:04:45.720 you say, okay, you don't have to quit, but like 2:04:46.480 --> 2:04:49.720 maybe time to get a more stable job, you know. 2:04:50.240 --> 2:04:54.240 And I don't know if we ever came to a 2:04:54.360 --> 2:05:04.520 date or terms with that. The season I think is whenever. 2:05:04.720 --> 2:05:06.760 Like that was kind of the make or break year, 2:05:07.320 --> 2:05:08.800 and you and I both had kind of make or 2:05:08.840 --> 2:05:10.880 break experiences in the woods that kind of because I 2:05:11.000 --> 2:05:15.880 was like, um, kind of excited about you taking that 2:05:16.120 --> 2:05:17.880 job that we would take some of the heat off 2:05:17.880 --> 2:05:19.920 of that situation. I was a newly with I forgot 2:05:20.320 --> 2:05:22.800 I didn't even mention the job that I had when 2:05:22.840 --> 2:05:25.600 the works and so like I had to work. My 2:05:25.720 --> 2:05:29.400 wife met me before the element, so pretty much Tyler 2:05:29.520 --> 2:05:31.560 video on my wedding, okay, So like that was like 2:05:31.880 --> 2:05:34.720 kind of how it all started at the same time. Yeah, 2:05:35.480 --> 2:05:39.440 a smoking deal. Um. So and like my wife is like, 2:05:39.480 --> 2:05:43.840 hold on, this is not what I was like, you know, nuptualate, 2:05:43.880 --> 2:05:53.320 innuptuating or whatever, you know. So uh um uh we 2:05:53.600 --> 2:05:55.760 junglingly say you gotta thought with your wife. Sometimes, Um, 2:05:56.080 --> 2:05:58.360 I'll just say I say that I'm not gonna I've 2:05:58.440 --> 2:06:01.000 been there. We're married too. Wonderful women by the way, 2:06:01.200 --> 2:06:04.960 Uh they're great. Um. But like in the year twenty 2:06:05.320 --> 2:06:07.280 it was somewhat of a make or break year because 2:06:07.320 --> 2:06:10.760 it was like, man, we've got a things are moving 2:06:10.800 --> 2:06:13.720 slow as far as like element stuff goes. I got 2:06:13.880 --> 2:06:16.360 I'm trying to put my wife through grad school. You're working, 2:06:17.280 --> 2:06:20.120 you know, doing editing pretty much full time. Caylee is 2:06:20.680 --> 2:06:24.080 you know, uh, the one income on your end, and 2:06:24.240 --> 2:06:25.880 like we're like, man, what do we do? And then 2:06:26.360 --> 2:06:30.120 we kill some deer that year and like it was like, man, 2:06:30.840 --> 2:06:32.960 we can actually do this. So it's self filming too. 2:06:33.040 --> 2:06:36.280 This is we had got an intern that year and 2:06:36.400 --> 2:06:40.560 he washed out before November got here, and so it's like, gosh, 2:06:40.680 --> 2:06:42.160 you know, what are we gonna do? So we end 2:06:42.240 --> 2:06:44.200 up to self filming ourselves a like that year, put 2:06:44.280 --> 2:06:46.960 some things together and then man, it was a good year. 2:06:47.200 --> 2:06:49.160 It's a good year. It's kind of it was kind 2:06:49.160 --> 2:06:52.360 of like I had a job, so I was actually 2:06:52.480 --> 2:06:54.400 with my church was trying to hire me to like 2:06:54.600 --> 2:06:57.640 lead the music portion of the services, you know, yeah 2:06:57.720 --> 2:06:59.800 and do and do a church podcast and that kind 2:06:59.800 --> 2:07:03.480 of you know. So uh my wife is like, yes, 2:07:03.760 --> 2:07:06.680 he'll do it, you know, and I'm like, I'm like 2:07:08.560 --> 2:07:11.400 pretty much. I was like, man, I don't know, like 2:07:11.480 --> 2:07:13.960 things are going okay, you know. And then I killed 2:07:14.040 --> 2:07:17.080 five bucks a year and it was three of them 2:07:17.120 --> 2:07:19.440 were like wall hangers, I mean, big year, you know. 2:07:19.720 --> 2:07:23.040 And uh, I remember that my church kind of gave 2:07:23.120 --> 2:07:25.839 me this, like, uh hey, by the end of November, 2:07:25.880 --> 2:07:27.240 can you let us know something, you know, where you 2:07:27.280 --> 2:07:29.120 gonna do this? I had. I had already been basically 2:07:29.160 --> 2:07:32.360 starting in COVID like that's when I started leading the 2:07:32.640 --> 2:07:35.440 music stuff there and I was just doing it as 2:07:35.520 --> 2:07:38.560 like an interim, you know, and uh they wanted me 2:07:38.600 --> 2:07:40.560 to continue, and I told him. I was like, oh yeah, 2:07:40.600 --> 2:07:42.280 I guess I was hoping we could get through the 2:07:42.280 --> 2:07:44.320 season and see how the Element is doing it, you know, 2:07:44.360 --> 2:07:47.280 in January or something, and uh so, but they wanted 2:07:47.320 --> 2:07:50.440 to do it by December. So I literally killed my 2:07:50.520 --> 2:07:54.000 fourth buck on November and it it's the video. We 2:07:54.120 --> 2:07:56.640 just reached a million views on that video. But it's 2:07:56.680 --> 2:07:59.600 our you know, biggest deer video, I guess you could say. 2:08:00.200 --> 2:08:02.320 And when I killed that buck, I was pretty much 2:08:02.400 --> 2:08:05.080 like I found that as a sign as I should 2:08:05.160 --> 2:08:08.120 probably decline that job and kind of do the Element thing, 2:08:08.200 --> 2:08:12.440 you know. Yeah. Yeah, So and then killed another deer 2:08:12.480 --> 2:08:14.440 at the end of December that is like our second 2:08:14.480 --> 2:08:17.800 biggest video. So we had a pretty good talk on 2:08:18.200 --> 2:08:21.360 Cyculotyer on November twenty three that year, and uh, we 2:08:21.440 --> 2:08:24.120 were both driving back in separate vehicles and we had 2:08:24.120 --> 2:08:25.480 a pretty good talk that was kind of like, you 2:08:25.560 --> 2:08:28.440 know what, let's just go and just do this thing, 2:08:28.640 --> 2:08:32.080 you know, and which again cliche, but you know, that 2:08:32.240 --> 2:08:34.800 was like, we can we can make this happen with 2:08:34.960 --> 2:08:37.240 hard work. If we continue this on you know, um, 2:08:37.920 --> 2:08:39.680 we'll have some doors open up. And if not, you know, 2:08:39.840 --> 2:08:41.560 we can still scrape it together and make it work. 2:08:41.800 --> 2:08:45.720 And well, yeah, we're scrappy. Yeah, that's a that's a 2:08:45.920 --> 2:08:47.920 that goes you know, I gotta gotta be scrappy to 2:08:48.000 --> 2:08:50.680 kill deer, that's right. Yeah, you guys got Michigan elbow 2:08:50.760 --> 2:09:00.880 grease all we're done in Texas. Yeah up, well guys, 2:09:00.920 --> 2:09:02.600 we're running out of tanks. We gotta do the trivia 2:09:02.640 --> 2:09:04.960 show Man. We'll tell people what you got coming because 2:09:04.960 --> 2:09:06.920 now you now you're you got some stuff that's gonna 2:09:06.960 --> 2:09:09.080 come out on Meat Eator's channels. You got some stuff 2:09:09.080 --> 2:09:11.280 that's coming on in your own channels. Yeah, I appreciate that. 2:09:11.400 --> 2:09:15.000 So um we uh, at the end of the year one, 2:09:15.080 --> 2:09:18.480 I shot a deal on public ground in Oklahoma, and uh, 2:09:18.760 --> 2:09:21.360 well to back it up, there was a nickname being 2:09:21.400 --> 2:09:23.760 thrown around that year of the buck truck, the truck 2:09:23.840 --> 2:09:26.680 I was in. You could chuck joking around. It seemed 2:09:26.680 --> 2:09:28.600 to be that there were bucks around when that truck 2:09:28.640 --> 2:09:31.879 would show up, you know, his truck. He got COVID 2:09:32.120 --> 2:09:35.000 in South Dakota in a tent, you know, and so 2:09:35.680 --> 2:09:38.440 with a bunch of other guys. Well, we also have 2:09:38.520 --> 2:09:41.440 another guy on the team that uh, he's not a 2:09:41.520 --> 2:09:43.600 morning person, so he doesn't get up and hunt in 2:09:43.600 --> 2:09:46.080 the morning. Sometimes. Well, they were buddies, you know, riding 2:09:46.080 --> 2:09:48.000 around the truck in the mornings because he you know, 2:09:48.080 --> 2:09:50.440 he was hacking all night. Just felt terrible. So they 2:09:50.560 --> 2:09:53.440 get up, you know about sun sunrise, and go sea 2:09:53.520 --> 2:09:55.560 bucks out of the truck. So they started bragging on 2:09:55.640 --> 2:09:59.400 themselves about how they were the buck truck truck and 2:09:59.480 --> 2:10:04.440 all the kid we're in the woods plays music, yeah, 2:10:04.640 --> 2:10:08.680 actually ground calls come out of Yeah. But then uh, 2:10:09.000 --> 2:10:10.720 Tyler and I teamed up at the end of that 2:10:10.800 --> 2:10:13.960 season in one and killed that deer on public ground 2:10:14.000 --> 2:10:16.880 in texts, I mean in Oklahoma, and uh, the buck 2:10:16.920 --> 2:10:19.080 truck like really was cemented. Then was like, hey, this 2:10:19.200 --> 2:10:21.760 is a thing. So we decided to maybe put a 2:10:21.800 --> 2:10:23.840 little effort into it and have a little bit more 2:10:23.880 --> 2:10:26.480 direction with that. So we're gonna have a series that 2:10:26.560 --> 2:10:29.400 comes out this May, I believe, called The Buck Truck, 2:10:29.720 --> 2:10:32.720 where it's just you know, two best friends traveling in 2:10:32.760 --> 2:10:34.760 the country hunting deer and you're just watching the buck 2:10:34.800 --> 2:10:39.960 Truck and you guys like, could hear each other shooting? Yeah, 2:10:40.320 --> 2:10:47.600 that's pretty sick. Yeah, it's funny when he realized some 2:10:47.680 --> 2:10:53.440 of that heard his buddy shooting arrow. That's some small parcelo. Man. 2:10:53.600 --> 2:10:55.920 It was. We were in tight quarters of both shot 2:10:55.960 --> 2:10:57.760 and nice bucks. It was kind of kind of man, 2:10:58.080 --> 2:11:00.440 crazy things happen whenever you go out there and actually 2:11:00.480 --> 2:11:02.600 put some effort into it. And so I always like 2:11:02.680 --> 2:11:06.320 to say, man, it's great coverage. Yeah. Yeah, our guys 2:11:06.360 --> 2:11:08.440 did a killer job. That was the first. That was 2:11:08.520 --> 2:11:11.120 the first one of those episodes that we did too, 2:11:11.280 --> 2:11:14.320 so the camera work gets better throughout. We did. We 2:11:14.400 --> 2:11:17.280 had really good deer footage. We did seven episodes. It's 2:11:17.280 --> 2:11:18.880 not like, oh, if you look real carefully, you kind 2:11:18.880 --> 2:11:22.440 of see you deer. It's like good, Yeah, they kill 2:11:22.520 --> 2:11:27.920 it they eyelashes never, that's right. So uh yeah. I 2:11:27.920 --> 2:11:29.640 always like to say you've got to give amazing a 2:11:29.720 --> 2:11:31.760 chance to happen. And that's kind of what we did 2:11:31.880 --> 2:11:34.720 that not you know, two guys set up eight yards 2:11:34.760 --> 2:11:37.400 from each other, kind of on a I don't know, 2:11:37.760 --> 2:11:40.320 tough hunt. It's kind of hot, you know, late September smoke, 2:11:40.400 --> 2:11:45.600 couple deer, you know, eight pizza back country bag them out. 2:11:46.240 --> 2:11:47.680 When you have a bunch of camera guys, you tell 2:11:47.680 --> 2:11:48.920 the one of them to bring a pizza a mile 2:11:48.960 --> 2:11:52.200 back into the woods, you know, eight them and didn't 2:11:52.200 --> 2:11:56.040 work on your deer. Nothing like a three thirty uh a, 2:11:56.360 --> 2:11:58.600 m you know, bead roll. That was good. You know 2:11:58.680 --> 2:12:03.280 those those nights are sure you appreciate them. It's memories. Yeah, yeah, 2:12:03.760 --> 2:12:07.040 you got some with Claylor recently. Yeah, that's on that series. Yeah, 2:12:07.160 --> 2:12:10.400 so that'll that'll release in May as well. Thinking, Yeah, 2:12:10.680 --> 2:12:12.760 it's we're in Arkansas. They're a bunch of boating around. 2:12:12.960 --> 2:12:22.280 It's cool, not swearing exactly. A bunch of America's last 2:12:22.360 --> 2:12:26.280 three non swear to throw Spanish at Clay because he 2:12:26.520 --> 2:12:31.040 tries to play along with it, you know a little bit. Yeah, 2:12:31.080 --> 2:12:36.960 I'm from South yeah, so's I love Yeah, good dude. 2:12:37.320 --> 2:12:41.480 Al Right, guys, so everybody check them out at just 2:12:41.600 --> 2:12:44.600 type in the Element, yeah yeah, type in media or 2:12:44.640 --> 2:12:46.720 the Element. Type in the Element. You'll find him. You guys, 2:12:46.760 --> 2:12:48.880 you give all your social media handles too, So see 2:12:49.000 --> 2:12:51.320 Element Wild a lot of times where you'll see to 2:12:51.360 --> 2:12:54.160 the Element podcast depending, um that's gonna be where you 2:12:54.200 --> 2:12:56.480 find us at on you know, a hard Apple all 2:12:56.480 --> 2:12:59.360 that to podcast exactly and then the YouTube channels called 2:12:59.400 --> 2:13:01.720 the Element and the Element podcast gets pretty heavy into 2:13:01.720 --> 2:13:04.720 white tails y. Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's still kind 2:13:04.760 --> 2:13:06.480 of has that Element vibe of like, you know, the 2:13:06.560 --> 2:13:08.840 seasonal thing or whatever. We actually just did a pretty 2:13:09.160 --> 2:13:12.200 pretty cool podcast about access hunting in Texas because it's 2:13:12.360 --> 2:13:14.280 uh kind of did it a little bit of deep 2:13:14.320 --> 2:13:16.120 dive into you know the history of that and that 2:13:16.200 --> 2:13:17.600 sort of thing. So you know it'll be a little 2:13:17.600 --> 2:13:19.920 bit seasonal, but always some white tail stuff for sure. 2:13:21.320 --> 2:13:23.480 And uh, the meat eater dot Com you find all 2:13:23.600 --> 2:13:28.839 Jordan's Stiller's writing, the gun battles, beaver battles, beaver battles, 2:13:29.240 --> 2:13:32.600 color battles, and if you're looking at something that looks 2:13:32.640 --> 2:13:37.560 like someone designed, it's probably hunter spencer. Yeah. Yeah, and 2:13:37.640 --> 2:13:39.440 the shirt will be out, the milk and shirt. Yeah. 2:13:42.440 --> 2:13:45.000 Can we auto with Born for a time and can 2:13:45.080 --> 2:13:49.000 you just like maybe give give us a little spiel? 2:13:49.600 --> 2:13:50.880 Thank you for that. I would love to do that. 2:13:51.120 --> 2:13:55.400 Um I, so this is The Food Fighters are my 2:13:55.520 --> 2:13:59.440 favorite band. Um, sorry I mnna interrupt you. I listened 2:13:59.440 --> 2:14:01.240 to your track a couple of days ago and Cran 2:14:01.320 --> 2:14:02.400 sent it to me and I was like, this sounds 2:14:02.440 --> 2:14:04.960 like the Food Fighters. Well, thank you, Yeah, that's what 2:14:05.040 --> 2:14:09.040 I was aiming. Oh, thank you. I Uh, I just 2:14:09.080 --> 2:14:14.440 feel old and washed really, but uh, basically, when their drummer, 2:14:14.480 --> 2:14:18.480 Taylor Hawkins died recently, um, I kind of I don't know, 2:14:19.120 --> 2:14:21.080 it's a very weird. It's very weird way that I 2:14:21.160 --> 2:14:22.960 wrote this song. I feel like it's not like a 2:14:23.320 --> 2:14:26.680 very typical and sometimes I think what gets me into 2:14:27.520 --> 2:14:31.320 trouble is that like creativity. I want this creativity and 2:14:31.400 --> 2:14:35.480 it's not super digestible by most people. And so but 2:14:35.680 --> 2:14:37.400 I don't care anymore because I'm not trying to make 2:14:37.440 --> 2:14:40.000 money off of music, you know, and so um I 2:14:40.120 --> 2:14:44.080 wrote this song basically it's almost like uh, my perceived 2:14:44.120 --> 2:14:46.680 relationship of Dave and Taylor, who are like best friends 2:14:46.800 --> 2:14:50.560 in the band together, and but I'm like speaking towards 2:14:50.720 --> 2:14:54.680 Dave as like, hey, this is a terrible thing that happened, 2:14:55.040 --> 2:14:58.640 but you also have like a big platform and an 2:14:58.640 --> 2:15:01.240 opportunity to say something to the world here, you know, 2:15:01.440 --> 2:15:07.200 like and basically taking esther four fourteen saying like you 2:15:07.240 --> 2:15:09.600 were born for a time to do something very powerful, 2:15:10.280 --> 2:15:12.760 and maybe this is that time. So that's why I 2:15:12.880 --> 2:15:16.080 wrote a song. Is the hook line is maybe you're 2:15:16.120 --> 2:15:18.640 born for a time such as this. Oh it's great, man. 2:15:19.120 --> 2:15:20.760 I listened to the tune. I liked it. Thanks, man. 2:15:22.280 --> 2:15:25.680 I was surprised where I don't look like very good 2:15:25.680 --> 2:15:29.920 at things do I no, no, no, I don't mean 2:15:29.920 --> 2:15:33.160 surprised by it being good. I just I was surprised 2:15:33.200 --> 2:15:36.560 by um because it didn't sound like country. Yeah. I 2:15:36.680 --> 2:15:40.400 was expecting more, you know, I thought it would be 2:15:40.520 --> 2:15:44.160 more what what most people would identify to be more 2:15:44.360 --> 2:15:49.400 like leaning in the country genre. We definitely have UM 2:15:50.680 --> 2:15:53.960 the sense we have stopped like touring and pursuing a 2:15:54.120 --> 2:15:56.320 career in music. We've basically just don't what we wanted 2:15:56.360 --> 2:15:59.600 to do and stopped worrying about like what people would like. 2:16:00.480 --> 2:16:03.920 So it's way more fun. Just make make tunes you 2:16:04.000 --> 2:16:07.280 like and don't worry about what bucket it's in. Yeah, alright, 2:16:07.320 --> 2:16:08.920 we're gonna kick off. We're gonna end off with it. 2:16:09.120 --> 2:16:11.800 Thanks man. So find these boys at the Element, Element 2:16:11.880 --> 2:16:15.080 Wild on social Yeah, that's it. I'll track it down 2:16:15.160 --> 2:16:20.200 and the Element podcast anywhere podcasts are found, stay tuned. 2:16:20.240 --> 2:16:23.960 Thanks guys. Trivia, oh one nice question. Do you think 2:16:24.000 --> 2:16:26.320 you'll win or not? I'm fired up. He's got a 2:16:26.360 --> 2:16:28.600 good shot. You're gonna win. I like trivia. You want 2:16:28.600 --> 2:16:31.800 to do a side bet? Yeah, I don't know. I'll 2:16:31.800 --> 2:16:34.400 pay for it. Can we do something non monetary? You 2:16:34.440 --> 2:16:36.040 don't want to do a five dollar side? But I 2:16:36.120 --> 2:16:41.840 mean that's that's almost not worth it. We'll talk about Yeah, 2:16:41.920 --> 2:16:44.160 we're visiting with like. I like the I like it 2:16:44.240 --> 2:16:45.800 to be a little bit more meaty when it comes 2:16:45.879 --> 2:16:47.960 to you want something like that. I really like and 2:16:48.000 --> 2:16:50.720 don't want to give up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll talk 2:16:50.720 --> 2:17:15.440 about it. Thanks guys. You were born for this a 2:17:15.720 --> 2:17:24.720 time in a place it seems like mess. I want 2:17:25.080 --> 2:17:38.400 to des appair hurt so bad. Don't want these but 2:17:38.840 --> 2:18:07.400 streams long build over night, hed up your eyes is 2:18:07.800 --> 2:18:21.920 energy gave you lie he roll in this sky. You 2:18:22.160 --> 2:18:58.520 question why a second time? Wookay soside if you as 2:18:58.800 --> 2:19:11.720 your best friend again, maybe you were more born times 2:19:12.160 --> 2:19:36.520 such as theirs. You all that you live, your whisper, 2:19:41.959 --> 2:19:49.600 you can feel in. Maybe we're born born time suggest 2:19:50.040 --> 2:21:34.440 thes do you all, lady? Love them because you're best 2:21:34.520 --> 2:21:52.840 friend you can get. Maybe are more time, maybe more 2:21:53.680 --> 2:21:55.760 times such as they