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Speaker 1: Texans don't like embrace Crockett. I don't think like some

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Speaker 1: real Texans. But then this is Jordan's Sailers first time.

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Speaker 1: read many of Jordan's uh caliber battles, gun battles. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: rodeo event I didn't know about where you hold down

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Speaker 1: letter of each of those and yeah, which happens more

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00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: often than you think in the English language, like little

424
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: buck down. Yeah, there's a like a an adjective, a noun,

425
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: and a verb. It's a thing that happens in the

426
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: English language. So yeah, like h b H yeah or

427
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: b h A. They have a new one for that.

428
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: They're telling me this morning. Shoot at guys. Yeah, So

429
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: there's this like orzation out there called b h A.

430
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with it? It's called the Bozeman Had Association.

431
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: So it's you and this is Tyler's by the way,

432
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: this is how you came up with this. He's the

433
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: genius here. But like there's a certain membership here in

434
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: Bozeman of hat wearers that are unlike other places. Right, So,

435
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: like if you're a member of the Bozeman Had Association,

436
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: there's a couple of qualifications, a couple of what do

437
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: they call them, um, you know, different groups within the group, right, um.

438
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: But there's like the flat bill like cowboy hat but

439
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: not that's kind of felt. And then there's like another

440
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: cowboy hat but not it's like Montana like that wolf

441
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: felt kind of hat. Yeah, like Indiana Jones head yeah

442
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: kind of yeah yeah yeah, but I mean a lot

443
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: of gals wear that I guess would be like, oh yeah,

444
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: will wear it for sure. Yeah. It's it's got a

445
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: bigger brand than in Fedora. Yeah yeah yeah. And then

446
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of like yeah, it's like you're kind of

447
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: half hopping through the Daisies kind of half Western yeah yeah, yeah,

448
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, those are members of the Daisies. And then

449
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: there's like maybe like a a chet hat or somebody

450
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: like that that has like it's kind of like the

451
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: fly fish and hat that has a rope across you know,

452
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: kind of the between the bill and the top there.

453
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: In other words, when we were at d f W,

454
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: that's not that's an Austin hat bro Well those places

455
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: there are h members in Austin. For the Branch Act.

456
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: We knew the gate that we were supposed to be

457
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: in just by looking at the v h A. Membership

458
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: at the gate W changed a few times and we

459
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: followed the we have to see what because yeah, the

460
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: rope pad is retro you're like harkening back to a

461
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: simpler time when old men had those hats like that

462
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: cat usually one by people who can't remember those times.

463
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: Actually the second hand information, no, I think they're a

464
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: little aware that it's like harkening back to a different times.

465
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: There's all of the that there's a t T bit

466
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: of irony. M hmm. Irony makes it fun for sure. Yeah. Yeah,

467
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: So those are the two main categories. Yeah, those are

468
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: two main ones. And and then there's like a bridge

469
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: between all that where it's like if it has a

470
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: little bit of like jade on it or something like that.

471
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: You know what like that whatever the bluestone is, um,

472
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: you know kind of a design turise turquoise, yeah, not turquoise. Yeah.

473
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: What about when you you get yourself a king rope

474
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: pad even though you've never been within fifty ft of

475
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: a of a of a rope being used. I'm not

476
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: faguing with a king Rob Pad. What does that? Somehow

477
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. Well, it's a company that makes

478
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: roping ropes. Okay, yeah, but if you like to ski

479
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: a lot, you get yourself a king rope pat as

480
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: though you're roping. Well, there's a little bit of correlation.

481
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 1: You do a little more, Yes, got to spend more time.

482
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: Deal You're you're you're definitely assuming that being a text

483
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: it makes you cowboy. That's what they're talking about, the

484
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: king Rob pad. If you google it, it's exactly what

485
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: they're talking about. That. Like with the it's like a

486
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: little flat where the forehead is, and then it's like

487
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: a shorter bill and there's a rope across and it's

488
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: like two toned, often including corduroy. Got you so skiers

489
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: do that? Here? It means you like to ski a lot? Okay,

490
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: which is weird because there's a big ski area here

491
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: near here called Big Sky, and if you go to

492
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: the hotel there, they don't dress up like their skiing.

493
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: They dress up like their cattle ranchers. They make the

494
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: valets and stuff dress like their cattle ranchers. When you're

495
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: sort of like the antithesis, it's the throwback still second information.

496
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: There's like a thing it would be like if you

497
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: were at a place trying to think of it. Put

498
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 1: this into the sports analogy. Let's go to be up

499
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: to work in Big Sky with a cattle rancher outfit

500
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: on would be like if you worked at Peda and

501
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: wore a ink coat. Mm hmm. That's not sports. No,

502
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: it's different. You guys right for this check question. I

503
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: have a cheka question to submit to the council. But

504
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: you guys are honorary right now. I hung a climb

505
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: and stand on public land in October, about a mile

506
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: from the road. I killed a buck from it. In November.

507
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: I hunted one day in early I'm already getting confused.

508
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: I gotta back up. I didn't I was gonna get

509
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: this complicated. Those dates don't matter too much. I hung

510
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: a no, No, I'm paying attention to Sometimes I go

511
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: into things thinking the not complicating. I hung a climb

512
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 1: and stand on public land in October a mile from

513
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: the road, killed a buck from it in November. I

514
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: hunted one day in early December. Guess track. Up to

515
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: that point, I had seen no sign of other hunters

516
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: in the area. After each set, I left the stand

517
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the tree. I hunted today and

518
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: when I got to my stand, someone had hung a climber.

519
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I'm sorry. Today when I got

520
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: to my stand, so I had hung a climber in

521
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: the same tree above my stand. I love it, dude,

522
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: I've never heard of that happening. I had to unhook

523
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: my stand and reattach it above the other stand to

524
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: climb the tree. That's a great story. I ended up

525
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: shooting a dough right at dusk and climbed down in

526
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: a hurry because it wasn't sure how good the hit was. Well,

527
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a help less sense. True. It depends

528
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: on where you here. Yeah, whatever, whatever about the story.

529
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Maybe you want to just go look at their Maybe

530
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: you need something we don't. I intended to put my stamp.

531
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: I like that that you're sticking up for the guy.

532
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: It's good. So you're not like people on social media.

533
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: No matter what you do, they find a problem. You

534
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: should be liked. Be great social media for Sona. Instead

535
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: of being like, I wouldn't skin it that way, I

536
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that that way, be like, um, just be

537
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: like a kind of guy who goes on social in

538
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: the comments to actually be like, uh, you know, really interesting.

539
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure he had a wonderful I'm sure he had

540
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: a great justification for the way he did it. No,

541
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: he's a supportive soul. He does youth ministry. Yea sometimes

542
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: Uh probably am just being nice because you know, who knows?

543
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: Who knows? Uh, you have a what's the comment that

544
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: um that guy made on So we have a pretty

545
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: viral video of Tyler shooting a big buck at a

546
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: long range and smoked it right, But it's still there's

547
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: always somebody who's like, oh, it's the guts, you know,

548
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of ridiculous. But this dude was like, it

549
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't matter if you smoked a deer he died inside.

550
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: You use the same broadhead to skin him and gut

551
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: even packed him out on your back. There'd be somebody

552
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: telling you use the wrong product. Yeah, okay, So back

553
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: to our back to our individual the lead the tree

554
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: stand leap froggers. I ended up shooting a doll right

555
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: at dust and climbed down in a hurry because I

556
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: wasn't sure how good the hit was. I intended to

557
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: put my stand back. I intended to put my stand

558
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: back on the bottom, thinking the other hunter would probably

559
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: the next one he used the tree, but in the

560
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: heat of the moment, I forgot. So now he has

561
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: left his stand on top of the other man stand.

562
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: So my question is, what is the move if someone

563
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: does this? Have I potentially escalated the situation by leap

564
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: frogging the others hunters stand after he leap frogged mine,

565
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: goes on, I'm gonna I'm gonna go on. He has

566
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: a couple of clarifying points. I have a toddler and

567
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: pregnant wife at home. Here he's playing the sympathy card,

568
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: so I rarely get the scout hunt. I've also killed

569
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: two deer from this stand, and I'm not eager to

570
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: give up my spot. I'm happy to share its public land,

571
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure what my next move should be.

572
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: I should point out that none of my stuff was

573
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: bothered or stolen, so take that into consideration when assessing

574
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: potential etiquette violations. I got a lot to safe, would

575
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: take it away. I love this question man um. Sometimes

576
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: without getting too deep tactically, the tree is the tree.

577
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: You have to be in that tree to kill deer

578
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: in that spot. I feel like as a bow hunter

579
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: with a gun, it's a little less maybe so, but

580
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: I can see I've actually been in this this position

581
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: before the leap froggerum or the leap frog. So I

582
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: killed a deer from a tree in and the next

583
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: year there was a tree stand in that tree. And

584
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: you can't claim a spot in the state with a

585
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: tree stand. You can you can legally hunt somebody else's

586
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: tree stand if they're not there. So, but this is

587
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: the tree, and this state does not have a lot

588
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: of trees in it. So it's one of those situations

589
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: where I have continue to hunt that tree some um.

590
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know, it's just, uh, it's it's really

591
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: like as far as what he's asking, um, I mean,

592
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: you never know if you're gonna escalated situation. You don't

593
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: know what that guy's thinking, right, So Um, you try

594
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: not to, certainly, but it's kind of weird when guys

595
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: are walking around with deadly weapons out in the woods

596
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: and you don't know what their demeanor is, you know. Um,

597
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: I just think that if there's nothing messed up, this

598
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: is the same it's the same situation like leaving trail

599
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: cameras out you you, you know, try to be respectful

600
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: of other people's trail cameras and hope that they do

601
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: the same for you. You see, Guys, we actually had

602
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: a guy moon our trail cameras the other day. Understand that. Yeah, yeah,

603
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: I've I like that movie. Um, but yeah I don't.

604
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know what's going on out here in

605
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: the woods. People do time White till by the moon,

606
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: So maybe he was given This guy's situation is like

607
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: an ethical net zero. I don't think there's any wrong

608
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: done in any of this that he's talking about. Now,

609
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: I can see where if he's I'm assuming this guy

610
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: is honest because I don't know him, so I'd like

611
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 1: to assume that, Um, if he's honest, that he didn't

612
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: mean to like, you know, stack the stand on top

613
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: the other guy. Then you know whatever, I think. I

614
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: like these two guys A lot. I think that you

615
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: would do it like I have a Like many guys.

616
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: I argue with my wife about toilet seat, I always

617
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: feel like, uh, I think that each user should position

618
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: it for their use according to the immediate need. Like

619
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: that's what I do. If I come in and find

620
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: the seat down, I adjust it according to what I'm

621
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: gonna do. I don't go like, well it's down now,

622
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: I have to live with it being down and then

623
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: p on the seat. So I adjusted ahead of time,

624
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: and I'm migrant. Why don't you? I tell my wife,

625
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: why don't you make these adjustments as need be and

626
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: not a plan on other people, anticipating who might use

627
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: it next, and then leave it fit for them to

628
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: what She'll point out that, like sitting down. If you

629
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: make a mistake and sit down when the seats up,

630
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: it's bad, it's not good. I could see him, if

631
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: he's really trying to I could see him taking my

632
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: wife's approach to toilet seat placement and being an extra

633
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: gentleman and move your movie or stand back down to

634
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Speaker 1: the bottom. I think I really appreciate you, like it's

635
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: all ready for you, my friend. Neither of these guys

636
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: touched each other stands. Well, that's what I was gonna say.

637
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: It's like, we know that the guy that wrote it

638
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: in is considered, but it seems as if potentially the

639
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: other guy was too, because he could have taken that

640
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: guy's stand off and just laid it by the trade.

641
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: But he didn't take his off. But it could have

642
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: been the same situation this guy that if forgot too,

643
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: because it's not a natural thing. If you plan on

644
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: leaving a stand, you don't usally take it off the

645
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: tree and put it back on again under another stand

646
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying if he wanted to go extra.

647
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: But see, the thing I would worry about is I

648
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: would worry about psychologically. I would want him to know

649
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: that I'd been there and got one. So I could

650
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: picture taking my stand, moving it down, putting his up,

651
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: and then maybe scratching like a little notch or something,

652
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: and then have a little note that says I scratched

653
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: this not I make a notch every time I get

654
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: a deer. Here. Notice there's two fresh notches. So that

655
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: that person doesn't go thinking, you know, I'd want him

656
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: to know who he's dealing with, cold blooded killer. You

657
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: could have a a yearly banter back and forth, just

658
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: you just keep up with it out the same tree,

659
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: you know. It kind of like, let's have a little

660
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: journal and share our experiences. Especially if it's annymous. You

661
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: never actually meet the guy. He's just a hypothetical dude

662
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: who hung the stand. You know, they won't really know

663
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: until they both walk out there someday at three o'clock

664
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: and they both like there they are, Then they're gonna

665
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: have to start it out. I think actually was that

666
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: that's a good rom comment the making. We had a

667
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: guy right in one time that was having one of

668
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: these disputes of someone and one day there's like two

669
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: trees kind of together, and he's up in one and

670
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: the guy comes and I mean literally climbs up right

671
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: behind him, and they sat quite awkwardly, him looking out

672
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: one way and the guy looking out the other way. Yeah.

673
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: One of our camera guys in Illinois last year, same thing.

674
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: They sat like twenty yards from each other. Yeah, it's

675
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: like the second guy is just there to ruin the

676
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: experience for the first guy so that he doesn't come back.

677
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of silly. Yeah, not my favorite. It kind

678
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: of ruins it for me, though, like too. Uh, And

679
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a big like who who kind of experienced

680
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: guy too much. I just like to hunt here, but um,

681
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: it does. I don't like to sit in another person

682
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: stand in particular, like one time in a tree, a

683
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: person and used screens, So we're gonna take those out

684
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: and be hard to hang my own steps in the tree.

685
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: So I used the screens, but then hung my own

686
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: stand next to the stand that was in the tree,

687
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: partially because I don't like the position that I was

688
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: in better than the way he'd hung it. But I

689
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: just don't like sitting on it, and you don't. There's

690
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: like a safety factor too. You don't know if this

691
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: person is using you know, from you're pretty safe, Yeah,

692
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: usually his and safety is my number one concerned. Yeah,

693
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird. We're gonna do one last thing.

694
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about one last thing before we talk

695
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: about what we're gonna talk about. Uh, this guy's thought

696
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: about you know, I don't know uh what I'm trying

697
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: to say. I thought about having him on the show

698
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: before because I read this book guy wrote in about

699
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: a bad experience he had with one of his works

700
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: on Amazon recently, Um, about what he's you know, I

701
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: don't know if it's is its censorship. I guess it's censorship.

702
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: Censorship let me at the end of the day. Yeah, yeah,

703
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: people confuse their's censorship like First Amendment censorship that would

704
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: come from the government, right, and then there's just private

705
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: companies doing what private companies want to do. So meaning

706
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: if someone wrote a big article about how all the

707
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: reasons that like hunting should be outlawed, and we said,

708
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm I don't feel like publishing that article on our website.

709
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: That's not gonna it's I don't that's not gonna go

710
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: over well where they'd be like, you're censoring me. You'd

711
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: be like, no, it's just we have It's like we

712
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: own our own thing and we just do with our

713
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: own thing what we want. I'm not censoring you. It's

714
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: more like their standards for what is acceptable and allowable

715
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: are you know, questionable. We're talking about organization that sits

716
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: one rung below the government, which is Amazon. Given another

717
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: thirty years, I think they're coming. They're like they're sort

718
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: of you know, like how our military will have that

719
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: the red phone to the Chinese military, they probably have

720
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: like a red emergency phone. Talking between Amazon and the government.

721
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: So the guy goes on to write, in my newest book,

722
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: more than Wolverine, an Alaska wilderness trap line on the cover.

723
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: He's got a there's a picture of him holding the

724
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: wolverine trapped in the in the bush, no blood, no gore, animals,

725
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: harvest responsibly found, state regulations displayed in a respectful manner.

726
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: He had an ad campaign for an Amazon canceled My

727
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: ad campaign blows their message following my appeal kind of

728
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: blew me away. Anybody, just heads up when designing your

729
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: future book covers. M Hello from Amazon Advertiser Support. When

730
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: we were seeved your ad campaign more than Wolverine, we

731
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: determine that your cover contains images of excessive violence. The

732
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: image contains graphic depictions of cadavers m hm. And also

733
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: not just that, and also we determine that your ad

734
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: contained violent content. To ensure a good customer experience, we

735
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: don't allow ads containing images of human or animal abuse, mistreatment,

736
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: or distress. Because your ad uses the cover image on

737
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: your book, you'll need to update the cover of your

738
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: book in order to be eligible for Amazon advertising. A

739
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: quick note, I had something about this kind of burned

740
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: my ass here to day. One of our senators in

741
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: Montana has his profile picture. It's him and his wife,

742
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: Senator Danes. It's him his wife and an antelope. So

743
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: him and his wife with an antelope. And he got

744
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: booted off Twitter, which just struck me as weird because

745
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: the whole thing with Elon must Buy and Twitters, they're

746
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: supposed to quit screw with everybody about like stupid stuff. Anyways,

747
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: his thing got reinstated. I put the picture up on

748
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: it on Instagram, so I thought it was interesting that

749
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: that is excessive violence. Yeah, I read the musk. Reached

750
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: out to him personally to talk about it. Yeah, Kal

751
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: thought I was being stupid. It's like, what's the Elon

752
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: must have to do with this? I said, well, I

753
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: don't know if you've been following this with somebody. It's like,

754
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: I think your account got hacked. Dude, he bought Twitter.

755
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: The whole thing is he's gonna make Twitter not cracking

756
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: down on everybody all the time for like like totally

757
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: objective or sorry for totally subjective stuff. And then I

758
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: sent him a headline that says that he put it back,

759
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: made it back right again. I said, ha, that's what

760
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: I wrote, I put like multiple exclama. If you look

761
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: at three of them in there, things you'll get dinged

762
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: for as bad as Facebook is. If say they've got

763
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: a list of fifteen things Instagram, maybe like eight. You

764
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: get to Twitter and it's probably like a list of

765
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: twenty and fractions, you know, from alcohol to one down

766
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: the line, you know, for getting restricted on. Oh, but

767
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: I have a book I have so I have books

768
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: published with I feel like it's like, I don't Well,

769
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: you've got a book that in particular makes me think

770
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: of this guy's situation. Well, I have two books. I

771
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: have a book of holding a grailing. It's a vertebrate.

772
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm holding it a grailing that's no longer alive. So

773
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: it's where I have a turkey, right, another vertebrate sentient

774
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: being no longer alive, published by the world's biggest book publisher,

775
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: Penguin Random House. Uh, but then they they messed with this, dude,

776
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: what's your what's your? Don't you have a thing about eyelashes?

777
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: You know? If the animal has I forgot about my

778
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: own rule? I wonder I wonder if us calling this

779
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: out on this podcast will have uh, you know, we'll

780
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: get some kind of Amazon message about those books being

781
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: up and maybe needing to be taken down, and then

782
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Hunter will have to redesign a cover of you like

783
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: cuddling a turkey that's alive, like animal like thing. To

784
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: us bringing it up was gonna flag my books, not

785
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: fix this guy's situation. Maybe. Yeah, I guess I have

786
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: not too much hope When I sent Cal the article

787
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: that that um after a little bit of public pressure,

788
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: Senator Gaines's Twitter account got put back up with his

789
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: grip and grind of his antelope, and Cal said, did

790
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: they credit you when they they they had pointed out

791
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: they had pointed out ted Ted Cruz. That's like stolen

792
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: valor on Ted Cruizes to have because it was me

793
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: mans stolen valid. What was the nature that was that?

794
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: A profile picture change that triggered it or put up

795
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: a new profile picture of him? Is why for then

796
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: antelope not a speck of blood to be seen? You

797
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: could almost thought the animope was still alive if you

798
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: don't know what you're looking at. Yeah, So what you

799
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: what you take Hunter as a designer, Well, we could

800
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: do a whole podcast on this, but I mean the

801
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: situations that we've run into and it's kind of even

802
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: hard to quantify because it doesn't make sense. But so

803
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: for example, if I had a shot of you in

804
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: the field with a meat crafter and we used it

805
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: in an ad versus a shot of a meat crafter

806
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: on a cutting board, one's getting dinged. One isn't the

807
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: same exact thing promoting the same exact thing. But contextually,

808
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: I've taken out out of one situation into another because

809
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: it looks like I'm fixing the knife someone yea or

810
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: or or you're you're using it in a in a

811
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: violent way, you know, be it, you know, skinning. So

812
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: you're saying like, if you have a picture of a

813
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: piece of raw meat, right, or let's say a deer's

814
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: leg and you're making an opening cut a dude being

815
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: in there, it's bad. But if it's a knife in

816
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: an opening cut in a culinary sense, you're fine. Um.

817
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: I was talking to Ben Rummery about this and a

818
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: couple other situations like f HF has a lot of

819
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: trouble because older always in trouble because it's all things

820
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: that are accessories to modify a weapon. So you're promoting

821
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: the use or sale of a weapon. UM I mean

822
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: like if you have a little bullet holster, yeah, or

823
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: a little cartridge holder. The worst one is the bear

824
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: spray holster. No, whether you show it in the field

825
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: or you just show because it's harming the bear as

826
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: opposed to saving potentially saving your own life. Pepper spray. Oh,

827
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: pepper spray. Yeah. What So that's like one of the

828
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: ones at the top that nobody even bothers doing because

829
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: they're thinking of pepper spray being used in like a

830
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: militious sort of environment rather than like for protections. I

831
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: would assume yeah, yeah, Um. Now here's one that's puzzling.

832
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: Um that we were talking about this morning was obsidian

833
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: pants for the longest time would get dinged. And what

834
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: ends up happening is so when they go just a

835
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: plane picture someone, Yeah you don't have to show. Yeah,

836
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: the ad could just be of the pant. But I

837
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: think what I guess it happened over time is when

838
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: they go to scan that ad, they're also checking the

839
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: landing page to where that ad is taking you to.

840
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: So if that it was you know, the city, and

841
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: pant takes you to a page where that you in

842
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: a hunting situation, then that gives them cause to paying

843
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: that ad. So it's it's not just visually what that

844
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: ad looks like, but it's a lot of times you know,

845
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: the loophole where it's taking you too. Yeah, because the

846
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: way that they justify those is you don't want to

847
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: be scrolling through necessarily and see something that is offensive

848
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: you don't like, right, But if they're also looking at

849
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: the landing page, that says it's about the product itself,

850
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: not just your user experience. Correct, correct, Like we've never

851
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: we don't seem to have issues promoting Vortex in a

852
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: sense when you're not necessarily showing it on a weapon. However,

853
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: sig no go. And I don't know if that's tied

854
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: to because of it being uh, you know, they're thinking

855
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, the I mean rifle and

856
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: stuff like that, pistols, right, So I don't know if

857
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: Vortex gets Vortex makes optics and optics right, and that

858
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: could be for you know, golf, birding, whatever. There's got

859
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: to be some kind of workaround. Is there like a

860
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: universal symbol or visual of a thing that is like

861
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: so neutral or like, I don't know, a box of

862
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: lucky charms and we just put that in the background

863
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: of every picture that we put up. Yeah, until they

864
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: find out, until General Mills comes out to you. Yea. Um,

865
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's Traine. I mean you just eventually

866
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: kind of learned, you know. Ah, I mean it's it's

867
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: it makes it a little tough in certain situations, Like

868
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: I said, with like rifle slings and things like that.

869
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you how do you promote or

870
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: use that? Um? Uh? Yeah. The meat crafter was definitely,

871
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: uh a unique and tough one. So a lot of

872
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: times I'll just take my own meat crafter and photograph it.

873
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: You know. She'd called the tofu crafter promoted for you absolutely. See, man,

874
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: you know what the problem is, Like, I got like

875
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: two things that are happening at the same time. I'm

876
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: getting older and Ship's getting more ridiculous. And when you're older,

877
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: you get less tolerant or ridiculous stuff. And I feel

878
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: like at trajectory if you're just on an exponential Yeah,

879
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: it's a war on Christmas. It's like that's like you

880
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I'm there. I'll probably say it

881
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: not as a joke next year, you know what I mean?

882
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: Like the besieged feeling, Yeah, but it's like that plays

883
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: in are gonna be on a balcony like Steller and

884
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: waldor from the mupp That's just me a brody. But

885
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: I started to think called besiege the old Men. But

886
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: that's a good point about the grailing, because it does

887
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: make me wonder, like visually, you know, I don't recall

888
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: any dangs with anything spear fishing related, you know any Yeah,

889
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: no eyelashes. What if you shave the eyelashes off your deer?

890
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna do it? Yeah, here's a trip watch

891
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: this transition. Do you guys ever get in trouble at

892
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: the element for stuff you put on the Internet? Yeah,

893
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean mean by trouble like just flash demonetized. I

894
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: dealt with Google for weeks one time, and of course

895
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: the people I'm in touch with are foreign and the

896
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't figure out why our ads weren't running,

897
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: and essentially just came to my own conclusions that it

898
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: was being censored. There was no I was never told

899
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: that it's you know what I mean, like algorithm in

900
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: the AI. It's just and the people on the other

901
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: end of the line could never tell me that either,

902
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: for they don't they don't know exactly right, Yeah, so

903
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: I just came to a conclusion that way we would

904
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: stop running ads pretty much. There's other individual times to

905
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: where a certain video of the demonetized and a personal

906
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: appeal would change that. So that get flagged by AI

907
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: for having something. And then if you send in the

908
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, we eat all the meat. You know, you

909
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: you you give a personal appeal to justification of what

910
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: you're doing it it would work. You know a lot

911
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: of times what you guys used to do pred your

912
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: control work. As me tell about that, Clay, Clay told

913
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: me to ask you about it, all right, thanks Clay.

914
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: I worked for the government, which is just a red flag, right,

915
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: but I like state or apist our for a fist. Yeah,

916
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: well so we're try funding so um, A portion of

917
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: the funding for me as a state trapper came from

918
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: APHIS support, portion came from the state which was Wildlife Services,

919
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: and a portion incomes from the county that I worked within.

920
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: Do we just clarify what APHIS stands for and we'll

921
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: plant Health Inspection Service. Yeah, we've had some We've had

922
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: some APIs big wigs on the show. Yeah. If this

923
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: has got some cool people over there, man, yeah, and

924
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: it was like, the thing we brought up is that

925
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: they don't they don't get credit for they don't get

926
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 1: credit for a lot of good work they do. People

927
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: just take some stuff they do and make it seem

928
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: like as controversial as possible. But then they eliminate invasive

929
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: neutrius from Chesapeake Bay and yeah, exactly, it's how weird.

930
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: But so I was pretty much a glorified county trapper,

931
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: you know what it is is used to these uh

932
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: counties would just fun to trapper, just old guy you

933
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: know around there, just trapped. And in the South, trapp

934
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: is different because we don't have a fur market too much,

935
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, coons, maybe raccoons whatever, um, and so uh,

936
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: coyotes don't really have pelts that are worth anything. Um.

937
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: So it's strictly for livestock protection pretty much. And then

938
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: you throw the hogs in. In the last thirty years

939
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: that have become more of an issue. Um. That's I

940
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: spent probably eighty percent of my time on hogs and coyotes.

941
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: And then uh, the other rest of that would be

942
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: like disease monitoring for avian flu or neutria or uh,

943
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, some ladies losing their cats in South Houston.

944
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: You can go figure out what's going on there. There

945
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: was disease monitoring with the hogs. To your Yeah, there was.

946
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: That was kind of cool that. That was one of

947
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: my favorite parts. Where so we used to do aerial

948
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: operations with hogs, with the helicopter stuff. But um, with

949
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: like you know, a purpose, I guess. And who are

950
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: you working for doing hogs? Uh? Freface? So you were

951
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: shooting hogs from helicopter? Uh so I was not a

952
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: gunner in that scenario. Now that what were you doing

953
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: from a helicopter? Um, that's a different um job I had. Actually,

954
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: so I was a state trapper and then previously and

955
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: this is actually one of the things I put on

956
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: my on my resume to kind of help me get

957
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: that job as I was a I don't know what

958
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: you call it. It's a pretty much Yeah, I'm a

959
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: guy told me things to ask you about. They're gonna

960
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: bleed together in a minute. Yeah. Good. So. Um, I

961
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: was a game capture specialist, I guess. So, you know,

962
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: the exotic industry is a big thing in Texas. So

963
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: we got exotics, especially in the western half of the state.

964
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: There's exotics trying out a lot of portions state and

965
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: so there they are treated like talking dancers. Right, yeah,

966
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know what is that? What do

967
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: you mean you don't tell me? Oh no, okay, okay,

968
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: so azotic specialists. Uh so, yeah, I'll clarify. Um, exotic

969
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: game animals and not a game animals too. Um caught

970
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: some weird things, but um, there's a big industry for those.

971
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: They're treated as livestock in Texas according to the Texas

972
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: um AD Commissioner or whatever, so you can freely transport

973
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: them around the state and out of state too, out

974
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: of country even um so, um, we pretty much would

975
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,959
Speaker 1: go out and we're glorified cattle wranglers except for rounding

976
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: up you know, game animals mostly odd ad access in

977
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: black Buck, but a lot of other stuff too, for

978
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: people that wanted them out of certain areas or the

979
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: wanted them into certain areas all that. Yeah. Um so,

980
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: Usually the common scenario was a landowner has a plethora

981
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: of exotic game on their property, usually low fence. Uh.

982
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: Our company would pay them per head of different game

983
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: animals we caught, and then we were kind of a

984
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: peddler of those animals. We would then find a high

985
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: fenced operation that wouldn't want those animals and then sell

986
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: them to them and release them there. So the motivation

987
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: on the motivation on the part of the landowner that

988
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: has them might be a they want a bunch of

989
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: them gone, be they just want to make some money

990
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: off the resource, or see both. Usually it was a

991
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: lot more of b yeah, a little bit a little

992
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: bit of sea mixed in there, but um guy's wheeling

993
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: and dealing. Yeah. Man, money is what drives everything, you know,

994
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: especially in Texas huge economy. U's Texas is the ninth

995
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: or tenth largest economy in the world if you even

996
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: look at national scales, So like the state of Texas

997
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: is like a national player when it comes to world economy.

998
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: So that translates to a lot of money in the state,

999
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: but also a very economically minded, like average citizen. So

1000
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: those people are like, yeah, sure, I'll let you fly

1001
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: helicopter in my place and catch sixty animals for three

1002
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: dollars ahead, you know, and then but there's a pretty

1003
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: hey be turnover there, or like the margins are good,

1004
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, especially for bigger animals, so you guys would

1005
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: come in and contract on it. Yeah, we'd uh, and

1006
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: so are you usually? Are you usually employed by the um.

1007
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: You don't have to get specifics with your industry but

1008
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: with your particular outfit. But the way, I just curious

1009
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: how the industry works. So like you, what do you?

1010
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: What do you are? You guys gett a percentage of

1011
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: sale a per animal thing. You're hired by the guy

1012
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: that wants them. You're hired by the guy that wants

1013
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: to get rid of him. So I got a daily rate.

1014
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: I was, you know, just a hand pretty um. And

1015
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: so my old boss in this, uh, he ran a

1016
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: business that offered these services, and then usually the helicopter

1017
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: service was a different service that we would combine with.

1018
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: So the pilot kind of had his own bird and

1019
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: then we would team up with him. There would be

1020
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: a net gunner, a pilot, and then a ground crew.

1021
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: And I ran ground crew a lot until we went

1022
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: out west and did all that stuff. And so, h um,

1023
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: there's pretty much like it is a contracted service to

1024
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: a landowner. And then I'm paid a daily rate. Yea. Yeah,

1025
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: So you swoop down. Let's say you're what was the

1026
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: most common an Emily dealt with, I'd say access to here, Yeah,

1027
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: they come in on a helicopter, come down, pah, landing, Uh,

1028
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: throwing net on it, shooting net onto It is that

1029
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: hard to get a hit right, Uh depends on the guy.

1030
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: It's hard to get good at but when you're good

1031
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: at it. Man, my buddy Chobvy he was. He was

1032
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: good good net gunners skill. Yes, yeah, very much obtained it.

1033
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of cool. They ran a single shot blank

1034
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: three O eight pistol and they have like a fabricated

1035
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: netgun cage that goes in the front of it. You

1036
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: have these four little weights that you know, one at

1037
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: each corner of the of the net and pound and

1038
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: then that thing just lies out there and the moving

1039
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: shot yea. And the other cool thing is the the

1040
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: talent of the pilot. Man. Some of those pilots are

1041
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: just insane because they're running at our twenty two, which

1042
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: is really uh, what's the route where the very maneuverable helicopter. Um,

1043
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: it's a two s eat, very light weight and man,

1044
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: they could just do some insane stuff. And what they're

1045
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: doing is they're like not only getting the guy on

1046
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: the animal, but they're positioning the animal to where the

1047
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: guy has a good shot and they're kind of directing

1048
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: animal to a certain direction, all while avoiding live oak

1049
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: trees and mesquites, and they're flying below deck man like

1050
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: they are like in the stuff, you know, they're not like.

1051
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: You can't shoot a netgun from a hundred foot up.

1052
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: You gotta be probably and somebody probably knows better than me,

1053
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: But just in my experience, looking like forty ft or less,

1054
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of where you want to be. It seemed

1055
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: like the shoot a little higher, but it's harder the

1056
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: higher you get because you're losing velocity and the animal

1057
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: can move more. Stuff like that, and when that that

1058
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: net gets them that their legs get tangled up whatever.

1059
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: Usually yeah, and antlered or horn critters are way easier

1060
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: because you got another thing to get. Yeah, and then

1061
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: the ground coop runs in and you tranquilize it or

1062
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: you don't even bother to it. That's a different thing.

1063
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: It's the thing we do. But um, the anytime there's

1064
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: neck gun, you just stir hog time them pretty much

1065
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: three around three legs, leaving one leg done. You know,

1066
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: a little half it's there. Usually leave the net on

1067
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: them unless it's easy to get off, and then you

1068
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: just put them in the back of like a UTV

1069
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: or something like that and take them back to a trailer.

1070
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: Do you blindfold them? Sometimes? Uh, different animals stress worse

1071
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: than others. Um, black buck, we're kind of bad about

1072
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: being stressed. Access are pretty tough addad never blindfolded alldad there,

1073
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: they're just toughest goats, you know. So it just goes

1074
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: on whether or not that thing is gonna get so

1075
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: freaked out of die yea. Yeah, the African game really

1076
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: except for all that which are African game, but planes game,

1077
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: I'll say it that way. Planes game is really finicky,

1078
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: which black bucking access are not high stream there. Yeah. Yeah,

1079
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: they're high strung so like um, and they're expensive too.

1080
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: So one time we lost a will the Beast, which

1081
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: was a pretty expensive loss, you know, and it was

1082
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: stressed and it was even tranquilised it's still and it's

1083
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: still stressed. So that's an expensive animal, fairly expensive. They're

1084
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: super exotics um and wilderbeast is kind of like boring

1085
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 1: on that because it's a little rarer in the scheme

1086
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: of exotics. But like you look at like a games

1087
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: buck or a z or or a giraffe or a

1088
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: cudo or addicts, like you're kind of in that super

1089
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: exotics type range there. Yeah, yeah, and then those we

1090
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: would usually tranquilize because tranquilization is a little safer and

1091
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: easier on the animal. But with the African game, tranquilization

1092
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: is a little finnick. You're more finicky because you had

1093
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: to be really precise with your dosage, which I wasn't

1094
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: licensed to do that, so I was, you know, just

1095
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: observing this stuff, but I would see it. Uh you know,

1096
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: it could go bad pretty easy. And some of those

1097
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: things are worth like the animals worth like eight nine

1098
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: thousand bucks, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you take like

1099
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: a sable um, that's a I mean back then that

1100
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: was like a twenty animal and that's this ten years ago,

1101
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: So he's worth that alive. Yes, not just to a hunter.

1102
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: You have to a hunter. You're talking a big turnover there,

1103
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: especially a big one. I know, the ar thing Clay

1104
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: told me to ask you about. Tell me about it.

1105
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: You got your pant leg hung up on a Yeah,

1106
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: I got your pant leg hung up on a one time.

1107
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: I did, Man, do you story on this? Let me

1108
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: grab a drink of water here, because this is a

1109
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: white whistle for this one, Ladies jump whistle. That's right. Um,

1110
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: So this is kind of cool because it's like one

1111
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: of the first few times I felt like we had

1112
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: a greater objective than just economic stuff. So we were

1113
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: working in West Texas, um, and the big horn restoration

1114
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: stuff is a big deal in West Texas, and there's

1115
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: a ton of addad that inhabit native big horn range.

1116
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: Uh So what we were doing was a captured in

1117
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: eradication of addad so they could come in and restock

1118
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: native big horns. Those two things conflict, I'm sure for

1119
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: resources and probably for what's the ovis flu or whatever

1120
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 1: it is that there's some sickness right, the pneumonia. Yeah, yeah,

1121
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: so I'm sure they conflicted this from uh moves from

1122
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: domestic sheep species into big horns, and that as much

1123
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: as as much as market hunting like that decimated big horns. Yeah,

1124
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: I could see that being the case because there odd

1125
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: ad are roamers where I've never hunted big horn had

1126
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: spent much time with the before to understand they don't

1127
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: move as much, right, I mean, is that a thing

1128
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: like they kind of have their spot. They're not as

1129
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: uh transient as an odd ad you would say, I

1130
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't ask me. Yeah, I don't know too much, but

1131
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: it's what it seemed at least like on that subject.

1132
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: Well at not those all Dad would hit the valley

1133
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: floor and men they take off there, you know. So

1134
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: the way that sets up is there's these u um

1135
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: plateaus out there in West Texas. They're kind of like mountains,

1136
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: but they're flat on top. Everybody knows the platois and there,

1137
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, thousand acre or something like that, and you'll

1138
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: have these groups of animals that live on those and

1139
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: there's valley floor that's completely different ecologically than what that

1140
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: mountain is up there. And those mountains are cool to

1141
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: be have. Alina's elk all kinds of stuff out there,

1142
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: really really neat country. Um, I love it out there. Um.

1143
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: Also we uh this is a side note, but um

1144
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: sleeping on the ground out there. One out we heard

1145
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: a uh jet fly below the level of the mountain

1146
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: while we were out there. So there's some sketchy cartel

1147
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: stuff kind of going on out there. For sure. What

1148
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: are those mountains top off that? Like? You know, I

1149
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: don't remember elevation wise, but I would imagine I imagine

1150
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: those are in the four range something like that. But

1151
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: it's like I remember being th feet of change from

1152
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: the valley floor to the top of the mountain and you,

1153
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you gain twenty or lose twenty degrees in temperature.

1154
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: You'd be in short sleeves at the bottom, and by

1155
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: the time you get out of the truck at the top,

1156
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: you're putting a jacket on. Just you know, in the

1157
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: summer in Texas, it's cool. So we're out there doing

1158
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: this all day work and we're contracted to take like

1159
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: twenty five rams years and then we're gonna eradicate the

1160
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 1: rest um and we are flying a our forty four

1161
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: helicopter which is a four seater um because of the

1162
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: rugged terrain. So normally you'd have a t V s

1163
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: ut vs running around on the ground running ground crew,

1164
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: but out there you can't really do that. You have to,

1165
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: uh have another guy in the helicopter as a jumper,

1166
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: which is usually of dumbest guy. And I was a

1167
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: jumper so uh young, you know, and could do it.

1168
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: I did the whole thing and still to boots Man

1169
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: ab Peples like to say people that rodeo, Yeah, it's

1170
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: it's a drilling rush. For sure, guy's gonna ride a

1171
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: bulls like hell, I'll talk about and grab that thing.

1172
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, And then you don't sleep that night because

1173
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: you go out and you know, chase wild women and stuff,

1174
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, former life, you know, just being a wild

1175
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: young man and so um. We were on the top

1176
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: of a mountain there. I'll keep these names kind of vague,

1177
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: but we're on top of a mountain that you could

1178
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: not access by vehicle. It's a plateau um and it's

1179
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: about like a fifteen degree grade. It's a really heavy

1180
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: grade up top, and every rock has is about a

1181
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: basketball size, and it has let your gia growing up

1182
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: in between the cracks between let you Gia is a

1183
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: Southwestern plant. You've probably seen it. It looks like alo,

1184
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: but it's not um um what's it doesn't have the

1185
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: juice inside of it? You know, it's pretty. Is it

1186
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: one of the ones that when you get in your

1187
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,439
Speaker 1: ship it feels like you got hit by a hornet? Are? Yeah,

1188
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: for sure, not for long. A surprisingly short lived pain, yea.

1189
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: And those that have to eat that stuff, that's what

1190
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: they're living on. That's what their tongue must feel like.

1191
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: I bet it's rough. Constant pain, tough creators. Man. There

1192
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: they are something else. So, um, whenever you knit an

1193
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: animal out there, the jumper has to get out and

1194
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: deal with that stuff. And back then it's more than

1195
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: happy to do it. Yeah yeah, and just you know,

1196
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: do it again next day. Whatever it comes out a

1197
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: kind of a brown tip. Is that the one of

1198
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: your tom Yeah? And it's you know, eighteen inches tall,

1199
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: maybe a little taller. We call it what Yankees call those.

1200
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: We call them. Um, if you're trying to describe where

1201
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: something as you go, you know that, y'all a looking thing.

1202
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's cool plants out there, and

1203
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: I got we have a Yankee camera guy. Let me explain.

1204
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: He now lives in Texas and he's great. But he's like, yeah,

1205
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: he's from north of the Red River, so he's a

1206
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: Yankee for he's from Illinois. Um and he um. He

1207
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 1: likes the names of stuff in Texas, so he's trying to,

1208
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, learn this stuff. So there's Akato, there's let Guia,

1209
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: there's we sash Guahillo, there's what else. There's all kinds

1210
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: of stuff out there. And we were out hunting out

1211
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: there the other day and He's like, look at acaptio

1212
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: over there. So I kind of just made up words,

1213
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: you know, just whatever stuff is, you know, just trying

1214
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: to be like, oh that's what that like a good cheese. Yeah. So, um, anyways,

1215
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: we need a you, which is a less valuable animal. Right,

1216
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: So like rams by the inch are worth more money. Uh,

1217
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: a thirty inch ram is considered a big trophy. Anything

1218
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: over twenty inches is worth a good bit. Anything under

1219
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: that it's like a banana ram or whatever. And so

1220
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: the use or at that time, we're three dollars or so,

1221
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: so already I'm like, okay, well whatever, still like pretty good? Yeah,

1222
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: well a v fuel and a crew and all that stuff,

1223
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, like you get a helicopter involved. Yeah, but

1224
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't really care because it's not money out of

1225
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: my pocket. But still, you know, it's also cool just

1226
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: put your hands on a big ram. So you know,

1227
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that stuff too. Um and um, the

1228
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: net is less than ideal. We want to say the net,

1229
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: I mean like the job of the net gunning, and

1230
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: my buddy does a great job on that. I'm not

1231
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: saying that, but it happens, right, just like bad shots

1232
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: and archery, it happens. Um. So she has a front

1233
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: leg and one horn caught in the net, which means

1234
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: she is still really mobile, almost more mobile than a

1235
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: twenty two year old casey, you know what I mean. Like, Uh,

1236
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: she's getting it and this is her country, right, I'm invading.

1237
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: I can't walk around on that stuff. Very good. So, um,

1238
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: I finally catch up with it. You know, I jump

1239
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: out of a helicopter. Uh that's like not a big jump,

1240
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: but like you know, five six ft or whatever. They

1241
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: don't land because they can't land up there and that stuff,

1242
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: and uh, A chase her. She's rolling down the hill,

1243
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: you know, fighting, and I can already tell it's gonna

1244
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: be a bad one. There's good ones, bad ones, and

1245
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: there's in the middle, right and this she has an

1246
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: attitude and it's a bad situation. Okay, So oh man,

1247
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: here we go. I finally chase this thing down the

1248
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: hill too, almost the edge of the plateau foot down

1249
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: cliff pretty much straight down from here, um, and we're

1250
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: about twenty ft from the edge for when I finally

1251
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: catch her in huge side relief, right, I finally because

1252
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: she's not that valuable, still an animal that I don't

1253
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: want to die for no reason and fall off the

1254
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: side of the mountain, and then I have to account

1255
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: for what I didn't get her, you know, so you

1256
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: don't want to be that guy. Um So a lot

1257
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: of things playing in here. I get caught up to

1258
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: her and she's hore. So I finally get her tied

1259
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: up because she's not much in the net, so I

1260
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: have to really wrestle her to get the three legs

1261
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: tied up. And uh, the helicopter has a big sling

1262
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: rope off the bottom. Um, So you know, imagine a

1263
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: really thick nylon rope with the Caribbean near at the

1264
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 1: end of it. You run that through the legs of

1265
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: the odd ad back up to the rope, hooking in,

1266
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: and they sling her out to a trailer that's like

1267
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: two or three miles away. You could hang up by

1268
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: the legs with that. Um you know hogtown there. Yeah,

1269
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: for sure, that's kind of like the way it's done.

1270
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: I word of thought. You had to cradle it somehow. Well,

1271
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, there is the like

1272
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: super ethical way to do things, and then there's the

1273
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: utilitarian way that companies do stuff. If you see the

1274
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: state doing stuff, you would did some stuff with the

1275
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: Mule Deer R Mule Deer Foundation. They they did the

1276
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: cradle the whole It's like a harness signals around the

1277
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: whole body and ideally you have the net in there

1278
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: too that is functioning as that, but she didn't and

1279
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: there's no way to get the net more around her.

1280
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, she she's perfectly fine doing that. Um for sure,

1281
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: like a survival on this stuff is like in the

1282
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: high nineties. I bet this is I'm just pulling numbers out,

1283
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: but I mean we hardly ever lost audad distress um

1284
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: so or injury, like you know, she wouldn't be limping

1285
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: or anything on that um and so um, I get

1286
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: to slip rope run through her, I give the guys

1287
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: the signal like we're good and um this on Reu

1288
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: gets one last horai at me and flings her head around.

1289
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: It's like she knew I was there, you know. And

1290
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: her us have horns, but they're not that long, mature

1291
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: used like ten twelve inches probably something like that, maybe

1292
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: a little longer depending on the goat. Um and uh,

1293
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: they know how to use them because they're always there.

1294
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: They're not like a white tailer drops them, you know,

1295
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: like those horns are always there. They know exactly what

1296
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 1: they're doing with them. She flings her head around, catches

1297
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: the cuff of my right leg on my blue jeans,

1298
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: and the helicopters going up and all. You know, this

1299
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: happens fast, right. I process things pretty quickly too, so

1300
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 1: this is all kind of going slow in my head.

1301
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: But before I know it, I'm being lifted off of

1302
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: the top of a mountain in West Texas, six hours

1303
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: plus from a hospital. Um, which I wouldn't even if this,

1304
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, went bad. Yeah, exactly, They're gonna have to

1305
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: have shovels. But I'm being lifted up by my leg

1306
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: by an ad dad who has slung to a helicopter.

1307
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: And these guys have no clue that this is happening

1308
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: because I'm straight below the birds. Yeah. I gave him

1309
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: the go ahead. We're good. And I didn't have anywhere

1310
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: really to go because the edge was right there and

1311
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: pretty unsafe anyways, you know, so like never ran through

1312
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: my mind, Hey, get away from the animal um, and

1313
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: I'm getting lifted up, and all of a sudden, I'm

1314
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: off the ground. And remember I was twenty feet or

1315
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: so from the edge of this mountain, and I can

1316
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: remember having my hands straight out like this, thinking I'm

1317
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 1: hanging upside down. I'm looking down at my hands and

1318
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm seeing the ground go further away, and I'm seeing

1319
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: this really close. No, man, And I had the pants

1320
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: for a long time still because I wanted to save them,

1321
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: because they about six or eight feet off the ground.

1322
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: I heard that little rip and I fell down to

1323
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: the where I fell, I could spit over the side

1324
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: of the cliff foot down. Yeah, right then and there, man,

1325
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: its prayer time for sure, you know. Ship well I was.

1326
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: I was kind of at that point where it's like

1327
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 1: I need to need these plants pants to be really strong,

1328
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: or I need him to rip right. I don't want

1329
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: to rip it in like a minute. They need to

1330
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: like take the whole trip or none at all, you know. So, yeah,

1331
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: I've had some near different experiences, but that's top five

1332
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: for sure. Now, if you had to wear with all

1333
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: the undo your bridges, I'd be impressed. I don't know,

1334
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, under that of your belt, under that amount

1335
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: of pressure, not not like middle pressure, but actual physical pressure,

1336
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do the pants. Yeah, So,

1337
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: if anything, I was thinking about trying to get ahold

1338
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: of the animal. But that didn't have to come to

1339
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: the at If I was ended up hanging out over space,

1340
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: I probably would have been grabbing something, you know. You know, Um,

1341
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: thank you. It was a lot of fun. But that

1342
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: a story like that probably ain't all that uncommon. Not

1343
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: not that that exact scenario plays itself out, but um,

1344
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: we actually had a film crew come out one time

1345
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: and film us doing this thing. They were gonna start

1346
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: like some type of a you know. It was during

1347
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: the Deadliest Catch days, you know, so they're trying to

1348
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: get the next great anybody catching something, Yeah, exactly risking

1349
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: their catch something because we were called like they're gonna

1350
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: call us like modern cowboys or something chilly, you know,

1351
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: and and uh so like crazy stuff like that. It

1352
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: was always happening, you know, but that was like mine

1353
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: for sure. The thing that I remember being that's when

1354
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: I realized I kind of almost went from young man

1355
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 1: to um, you know what, maybe need to get the

1356
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: stuff figured out a little bit more and not be

1357
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: doing this stuff too much. After that, it's great, that's

1358
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: a good story. Than just say that story for close

1359
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: calls man, Well, we can tell it again. I think

1360
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: if we do, I mean, that would be a great one.

1361
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: And I think we should cut it out of this

1362
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: podcast if we actually want to do. We could just

1363
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: beep out the end. We can beep out the entire

1364
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: And then I was like, uh so, so Tyler, this

1365
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 1: is all. This is all before you guys became the elements.

1366
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: He wouldn't like me back then, I don't think anyway,

1367
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: So you were wild master, don't you were? Like you

1368
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 1: almost you were serious about football and almost at NFL. Yeah, yeah,

1369
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: I played. Uh, I was a power forward and at

1370
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: SUMME and uh, I think Steve doesn't know what that means.

1371
01:17:55,120 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't mean sm he started power forward. Yea, it's

1372
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: like a position. It's a position. Yeah yeah there on

1373
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: the court, on the court, on the field. Uh yeah,

1374
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: I played, I was. I was My dad and his

1375
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: dad and he had an identical twin. They all played

1376
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: college football, and so I guess you could say I

1377
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: was kind of in that line of that was in

1378
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 1: my family, you know, So that was kind of what

1379
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: uh like, I had some pretty good um, I had

1380
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: some pretty good coaching, you know, I had I had

1381
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: a a natural inclination to be pushed that way. I guess.

1382
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 1: And so how did you reconcile all that fall sports

1383
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: playing with with hunting fishing? Yeah, that's so. I actually

1384
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: when I got done with football, um, I kind of

1385
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: debated on being a coach, and that was the hunting

1386
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: was the thing that I was like, I missed. I

1387
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 1: missed too much at this point, you know. But we

1388
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean we always went like after football season, we

1389
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: just that's when we deer hunted. So December you know,

1390
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: and so everything, you know, and then on the bye

1391
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: week or whatever, you know, anytime I had time that

1392
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: was I hunted, you know, and we fished a bunch

1393
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: because we lived on like fok. So you actually getting

1394
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: a nickname because of that, right, Uh, what's this gonna be? No, No,

1395
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: it's serious, Mr. December thing because you're always always I

1396
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: killed most of my deer in December until I was

1397
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: doing That's what my dad called me. Yeah, you know,

1398
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: just see because I would always take it down to

1399
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: the wire, you know, chasing a deer. You know. It

1400
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 1: was early on deer hunting. I was very much kind

1401
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 1: of I was. I was relegated to one property a

1402
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: lot of times like that was my dad had a

1403
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 1: lease in Kansas, and that was where we you know,

1404
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: that was where I hunted and I got to go

1405
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: three times a year or whatever, so I would always

1406
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,919
Speaker 1: and that So the way they managed that is they

1407
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: want like five year old buck shot off of that place.

1408
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: It's not like strict thing, but you know, we come

1409
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: from Texas where you know q d M started, and

1410
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: that was kind of their mindset is like we want

1411
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: to shoot big old deer. Is that true that q

1412
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: DM like took hold in Texas for its spread out. Yeah,

1413
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: that's uh yeah, I was down in South Texans and

1414
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: brush about just just so people who were talking about

1415
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: Quality Dear Management, which there's a thing there's like Quality

1416
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: Dear Management Association q DM as it's actually changed the NDIA,

1417
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:31,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, but you know that was like that's an organization,

1418
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: but there's a set of there's a set of principles.

1419
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: It was eventually exported all around the country. Yeah, And

1420
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 1: people talk about QDM meaning taking strategies popularized by q

1421
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: d M A and applying it basically you know, trying

1422
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: to select age classes and girl big bucks not just

1423
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: like brown is down. So that's what that my you know,

1424
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: my dad and the people on that lease with him

1425
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: where and we basically so I was always looking for

1426
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: I was kind of a little man on totem pole

1427
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: up there, and so I'm always looking for Like I

1428
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 1: don't get to chase the big ones, you know, I

1429
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: get to chase the old ones that are like nine

1430
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: years old and have seven points or something like that.

1431
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: Like they'd tell you if you see this big one,

1432
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: don't touch it. No. But it's a big place. And

1433
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: so these deer they hang out in certain areas and

1434
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: they my dad would for sure, but I I just

1435
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: didn't want to step on you know, I don't. I

1436
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: didn't feel right hunting his stand, you know what I mean?

1437
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 1: Just what's That's what I did sometimes? Yeah, that was

1438
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: my that was what I did, you know. And and

1439
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: uh and then eventually, uh, towards the end a college football,

1440
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: I kinda I had to make a decision where I

1441
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: was playing in some I was playing music and so

1442
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: I was in a band that was kind of regionally

1443
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: gaining some success in Texas, and UH kind of got

1444
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: burnt on football a little bit. Just decided, uh not

1445
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: to pursue the NFL. Uh. You would send me an

1446
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: email and you mentioned cold Wetzel. So funny because like

1447
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: big like he had that whole football music. I don't

1448
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: associate that stuff. Man. Well so I mean Texas football

1449
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: is huge and music. Yeah so, I mean those are

1450
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: two things that are common for like a high school

1451
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: boy to do, or at least in our generation. Now.

1452
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 1: I don't think people play instruments too much in high

1453
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: school anymore. Dude. I think if you went and took

1454
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: the dudes like nothing against him, I hung out with

1455
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 1: the ball, You went and took the guys from my

1456
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: high school to play football, right, like the good the

1457
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: guys that played. You put that whole crew together. Not

1458
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: one of them to know how to play an instrument.

1459
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean they might like cruise the FM dial a

1460
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: little bit, but they would not think of that. It's

1461
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: like a you know, guys are like football and music.

1462
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: Ted Nugent fans, Yeah yeah, man, yeah, I mean Motor

1463
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 1: City man. Man, he's but he didn't play football, Dune, No,

1464
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 1: but he's surely some Michiganders were looking at him like

1465
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: I want to be that. You know, tons of dudes

1466
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: there was. I would say more like there was some

1467
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: more like hunting music cross over. I'm saying, fuck like

1468
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 1: the and maybe I just met just recently met you

1469
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: and me recently met CO. So I just happened to

1470
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: just meet two football musician people. I just don't think

1471
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: of that as the thing. And I'm saying, when when

1472
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: where I grew up, Like the football guys weren't like

1473
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: going home and string getting out the old six string. Yeah,

1474
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: guys from my hometown. You know it's a I said,

1475
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: we'll ago how the uh you know, the Alamo movie

1476
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: kind of not but Friday out Lights. It's really how

1477
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: he is, man. I mean it's really close, you know. So,

1478
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: like part of it is like to get the girl,

1479
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: so you learn how to play music. But yours really

1480
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: wasn't that different. Uh. I had some good friends that

1481
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: I had two good friends that started playing guitar, And

1482
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting around six months later listening to them

1483
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: play Green Day songs and stuff, and I'm like, I

1484
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:55,799
Speaker 1: wish I could do that, you know so, And until recently,

1485
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: I was the only guy still playing guitar at all them,

1486
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: you know. So, But you guys had a serious band going, Yeah,

1487
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 1: we had. I had. I was in a couple. There

1488
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: was the first one came through football. Actually met a

1489
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: guy who was a singer, songwriter and one of the

1490
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: crazier people ever met. And uh, you know, he kind

1491
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: of forced me. I was a songwriter. He forced me

1492
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: to learn what some people would call lead guitar and

1493
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: um and kind of be a harmony singer with him

1494
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: and help him write and that kind of thing. So

1495
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: we did that for like five years, had quite a

1496
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,759
Speaker 1: thing going on. And it's a long story, but basically

1497
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 1: he sent an email it was not very good to

1498
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: somebody he didn't know was as well connected as they were,

1499
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: and we got like blacklisted and lost like half our

1500
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: schedule for the next six months. And uh up, yeah,

1501
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 1: can you go in a little more detailship, Yeah, no,

1502
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: there was okay, So we played a show in Manhattan, Kansas,

1503
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: and uh, we had we had recently had some pretty

1504
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: good radio success. Um told the name of the band.

1505
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: The name. The name was Clay Wilson Band. You know

1506
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: he was. It was very like what people would call

1507
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: Texas country when we started out, and it became a

1508
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: lot more kind of I don't know, artistic or abstract

1509
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: or heavy rockets and some country elements. Yeah yeah, and uh,

1510
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: and so we went and play it. We opened for

1511
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: a guy I won't say his name, but just not

1512
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: into you know, doing that, So you wouldn't know this guy.

1513
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah you would know him. Uh, just kind of a

1514
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: regional dude that had a lot of money and had

1515
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: a bus and yeah. Uh anyway, we opened for him

1516
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: at this place and there's like, um, it's probably like

1517
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: a four or five cat venue and um because of

1518
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 1: the radio single we had that like everybody showed up

1519
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: for us and was singing this song that was our

1520
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: radio single currently. It was like the first time we've

1521
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: ever seen this happen really, especially outside of the state,

1522
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: and so we were kind of taken aback by it.

1523
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: But like I said, he's I mean, this the lead singer.

1524
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: He was at my wedding. But he's one of the

1525
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: craziest people I've ever met, just you know, but also

1526
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: like a sweet dude like you would you would he

1527
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: would do anything for you. He would, you know, he's

1528
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: a good friend, like crazy like Van Go old type stuff. Yeah,

1529
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: I don't I hadn't studied vand Go too much, but

1530
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: he would. I mean he would like put a little

1531
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: of his ear off and bailed it to his girlfriend. No,

1532
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: not that crazy, but uh, definitely like you know, would

1533
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars a week on alcohol,

1534
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: and well that kind of like party crazy, party crazy, yeah,

1535
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: not like um or whatever. Yeah. Um. Anyway, so we

1536
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: play the show, h our crowd is better than the singer,

1537
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 1: the main acts crowd and stage a little bit. Yeah

1538
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: and uh at the so but while he's on stage,

1539
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: our guys are in the you know in and in

1540
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: the back party. And well there's a glass window behind

1541
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 1: the stage to the outside, this outside deck where people

1542
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: can hang out and stuff. You know, they're back. They're

1543
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: just messing around. They're not trying to distract from a show,

1544
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: but they are certainly doing that because everybody looking at

1545
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: the stage is seeing through the back window at this

1546
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: party going out and just people being you know, unruly

1547
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 1: and like their butts are out potentially potentially um yeah,

1548
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 1: I I so I actually you know side note, I

1549
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 1: never even uh drank alcohol. I never tried alcohol until

1550
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: I was twenty two years old, just as like a

1551
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 1: discipline thing. I wanted to like prove that I could

1552
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: just dude, I didn't know about the word discipline. Yeah,

1553
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: it's and we have we're so alike indifferent too, and

1554
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,759
Speaker 1: a lot of specs to, which makes it would compliment

1555
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: pretty well. But you know I'm talking about Casey here.

1556
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: But um. Anyway, so they have a long story short.

1557
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,440
Speaker 1: We get a email from his management because he complained

1558
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: about us causing a scene um, and she was just like,

1559
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: you know, hey, just ask you if they were play

1560
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: with him again, don't you know, don't be distracting or whatever.

1561
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: At this point, like we've seen some success, the lead

1562
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: singer kind of gets the big head a little bit

1563
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 1: and he's like, he tells our manager, who's also seriously

1564
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: the nicest guy I've ever metched about. He tells him, Hey,

1565
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 1: if you don't send an email in twenty four hours,

1566
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm sending an email um to this lady and it's

1567
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: not gonna be good. And he wants him to say

1568
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,759
Speaker 1: these specific things like, look, if I want to disturb

1569
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: someone else's show, I'll pretty much my god, mind your

1570
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 1: business kind of thing. And he's and my manager, Jared

1571
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: said no, I'm not gonna do that, man. And twenty

1572
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: four hours later, Clay sends this email. My best friend

1573
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 1: at s m U actually helped him craft the email.

1574
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 1: He said, Man, I toned it on as much as

1575
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: I could. It was pretty rough and essentially her husband,

1576
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: uh owned a company that works real tie with Toby Keith.

1577
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 1: At the time, we didn't know that was a connection,

1578
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: and she was a regional radio rep and so just

1579
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean literally, uh, within hours, it was like you

1580
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: didn't hear that radio single anyway? We lost uh like

1581
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: seriously half our shows, probably only that were on the books.

1582
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 1: And uh that was when I was like, and things

1583
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 1: have gotten crazy. Man like a little big for his

1584
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: bridges and like people on the band, we're bringing just

1585
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: gallon bags of you know, pot and on road trips.

1586
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 1: I had a six month old, no money, I mean

1587
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: no money my wife. Uh, I didn't have a job

1588
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: at the time. Um, and so we're just broke. And

1589
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I go to jail, we're toast. I

1590
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: can't do it. We can't we can't make it as

1591
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 1: a family, you know. And if I go and I

1592
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,799
Speaker 1: knew these guys, if we got caught with drugs and stuff,

1593
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: I was they were gonna I was gonna go down

1594
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: with them, even though I wasn't do any of that stuff.

1595
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: And so I just I said, you know what, I'm

1596
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: a songwriter two and I know I had met a

1597
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: few guys recently in Sulfur Springs where he grew up

1598
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: that were musicians, pretty good young guys. They were all

1599
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: like four years for five years earn me and started

1600
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: my band and then but I had a lot of

1601
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,560
Speaker 1: network and connections through that, so we were able to

1602
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 1: jump start pretty well and you know, for the next

1603
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: four or five years did our thing was. It was fun.

1604
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: That's an example of great decision making, very smart. Thank you.

1605
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: I uh, I guess you could say that being sober

1606
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: helped me. Uh Tyler in the tribe. We still record

1607
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: every summer, my my so we we. The reason we

1608
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:54,600
Speaker 1: stopped touring was we played a big so we we

1609
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: turned into country music, like kind of subculture, I guess

1610
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 1: in those circles. But we we we kind of especially

1611
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: now have edged more rock and um we always didn't

1612
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: like fit in completely, you know. So, but we did

1613
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: play a big show that was called uh Texas Thunder

1614
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: or something as a big festival with like uh big

1615
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,759
Speaker 1: artists at the time like Florida, Georgia, Line, Brad Paisley,

1616
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: some of these big country artists. Um Texas Thunder sounds

1617
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: like a weed stream. Yeah, there's probably plenty of them.

1618
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: Out there. Yeah. Exc when I was growing up, there

1619
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: was like fruit Port Crippler, Texas. Yeah, tell them about

1620
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: the inauguration. It's a local here. The uh now we

1621
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: played Wyoming inauguration. Yeah, yeah, pretty close here. Yeah, Governor

1622
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: Maade Matt Mead, Yeah, we played as inauguration one time

1623
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 1: the band I did. Yeah, yeah, they saw us. So

1624
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 1: we actually played the Republican National Governor's Convention in San Diego. Uh.

1625
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: They flew his first class. Who was the actor that

1626
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: I flew with? I can't even remember his name. Flew

1627
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 1: right next to that guy on the way back from

1628
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: that show. But anyway, Matt has been the most annoying

1629
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 1: guy on the planet. And like, yeah, quoting his movie. Yeah,

1630
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't watch any movies, so I I when they

1631
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: walked on the planets, like, I know that guy, I

1632
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: just don't know who he is, you know, and my

1633
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 1: buddy told me he was. But long story short, we

1634
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 1: played that and then Matt Mead's wife really liked We

1635
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: gotta back up for a second. Probably uh, perhaps the

1636
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 1: greatest movie he's in, Perhaps the greatest movie ever made.

1637
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: Monsome dove yep Pocalypse now the Pocalypse. Now, none of

1638
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: these I've seen the other day. I was, it's just

1639
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 1: we have a guy. You'll meet him in a minute.

1640
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: Spencer new Heart, I've met him before, Okay, the other

1641
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: day he's him. The same director that made Apocalypse Now

1642
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: made what is perhaps the second greatest movie ever made,

1643
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: which is called The Godfather too. Spencer Deuhaus never seen

1644
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 1: any of the Godfather movies. He's like, well, I don't

1645
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: feel that bad if I haven't seen a movie that's

1646
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 1: made four I was born, Spencer, but that hurts me.

1647
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: I told him I was to listen, man, you gotta

1648
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: make me a promise that in two weeks you'll have

1649
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: watched The Godfather. Yeah, he's he's he's in that, he's in.

1650
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 1: He's a conciliers. What's the word they use. He's like

1651
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: not Italian in the Godfather movies, he's not Italian, and

1652
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 1: he's like a outsider. He's like Irish or something. But

1653
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: he's like there, he's like legal counsel. He's a conciliers

1654
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: to the Italian mafia. He's like the only non Italian

1655
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:57,759
Speaker 1: they trust. And two is like the all of the trilogy.

1656
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: Neither of us have seen either of those movies. Either

1657
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 1: should write something trivia and just the best Robert movie

1658
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 1: is not some stuff he's been The second Hand Lines

1659
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 1: is one of the best ever. Michael Haley, Joel Osmond,

1660
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 1: Michael Caine, in a joking mood, I say that Ranchold

1661
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: He Looks was the greatest American movie ever made. In

1662
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: a joking mood. He wasn't a nat but he's like in.

1663
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 1: He's in. Like if you get a bunch of critics

1664
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: together and stuff and they like make a list of

1665
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: the ten greatest movies they're made some bitches in a

1666
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 1: couple of them. Yeah, he's great. And people off often

1667
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 1: like you know, like Loan some doves highly regarded. We

1668
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:40,560
Speaker 1: don't see poodles. You for being on the plane with

1669
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: the guy, I mean, I've had big plans him a

1670
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: huge favor by not saying anything to him. I was

1671
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 1: right behind him and I didn't say anything. He probably

1672
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: loved you, he did. He actual guy don't talk to

1673
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: He was the first talking to him. Yeah, he had

1674
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: a he had a baseball cap on super Low and

1675
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,640
Speaker 1: everybody walked on and he was the first one on

1676
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 1: the plane. Everybody walked right by, just sat there like this.

1677
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: Took his hat off when everybody loaded on and they

1678
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: closed the door when he wasn't incognito anymore, and they

1679
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: were talking about it. Yeah, I love the smell day

1680
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 1: Paul give him that one. No, No, but it was

1681
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 1: we were riding. That's the only time I've ever been

1682
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:16,560
Speaker 1: first class in a plane. It was cool because the

1683
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,679
Speaker 1: Republican governors flew us out that way, so it's great.

1684
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: They booked your first class. Yeah, they booked his first class.

1685
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 1: And then, like I said, Matt Maid's wife saw us there,

1686
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 1: liked us. Julie, I can't remember it now. She's like,

1687
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: I feel like she's like six too, she's super tall. Yeah,

1688
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 1: she she had. Yeah. I was telling him, you ought

1689
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 1: to run for president. Yeah, nothing's gonna do it. No,

1690
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't either. He kind of had that attitude like

1691
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,440
Speaker 1: about He had that like old George Washington style attitude

1692
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 1: about public service, like do a thing, yeah, and then

1693
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, do a thing, go in, dude, public service,

1694
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,720
Speaker 1: leave public service, right yeah, let somebody else come in

1695
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: and yeah, And I'd be like, like, you like contribute

1696
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 1: to society, you get like reach a level of maturation,

1697
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 1: do with time in public service say goodbye? Yeah? Yeah,

1698
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: because it doesn't happen anymore. So, Yeah, we played U

1699
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: Governor means inauguration, which was very weird, um because we're

1700
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: playing just head banging. No, but but there were people

1701
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 1: that were way too old to be doing that doing that,

1702
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, so uh it was it was very interesting.

1703
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: You know. We tried to play some George Strait got

1704
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 1: him up there to sing, and he was not much

1705
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 1: for singing. Yeah, very reserved when he's on stage. Um.

1706
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was that was kind of like that

1707
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:58,679
Speaker 1: was the end of that band pretty much. We started

1708
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 1: to kind of fizzle out and I could see guess

1709
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: the riding on the wall and then uh, my band

1710
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 1: after we started four five years later, like I said,

1711
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: we were playing that that festival out in Midland, Texas,

1712
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:14,679
Speaker 1: out in the world country, that's a Friday light lights country,

1713
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 1: and um, I was I was supposed to have my

1714
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 1: second kid Journey. Um like any day you named your

1715
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 1: kid journey after the band, um or just after journeys. Well,

1716
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: we wanted a jay name. My wife's big on the

1717
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: it's not alliteration. Yeah, so uh we already had one. Yeah,

1718
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 1: so the second one had to be that phenomenon they

1719
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 1: go with Jay's like I grew up with Genie, John

1720
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 1: and Jason. People that want to go all letter. They

1721
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: rarely break from Jay. Really, I don't think can you

1722
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 1: think of any examples. My wife's family is a bunch

1723
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: of kys. Oh they went with kids. That's very close

1724
01:37:53,320 --> 01:38:00,040
Speaker 1: to the what comes after Jay? We're progressive here a

1725
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 1: bunch of q You ever watched um Seven Brides for

1726
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 1: Seven Brothers. It's old musical, pretty good. It's one of

1727
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 1: my favorites. So uh. The mom wanted Bible names and

1728
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 1: a dad wanted the alphabet, so they have Abraham through

1729
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 1: F and they couldn't find the F. So they named

1730
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 1: the baby Frankin. Since it's pretty good anyway, So we

1731
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 1: because she was supposed to she was do really soon.

1732
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: I had decided to drive her car out play the show,

1733
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 1: and then we drove out. Um or, I drove out

1734
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 1: that night, and so I'm in the hospital and I

1735
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: find out there was only our tour manager. Who's this

1736
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: big dude from Uncertain Texas who was six ten. I

1737
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: don't know how or why he decided he should fit

1738
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 1: in a van and uncertain Texas. Uncertain Texas, yep, so

1739
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 1: right right on the border Louisiana and near Cattle Lake,

1740
01:38:55,880 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: the only natural lake in Texas, and um, just good,

1741
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: good dude loved him. Uh. And then two guys I

1742
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 1: think it was our drummer and our guitar player, and

1743
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: the guitar player was driving. He was definitely the worst

1744
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 1: driver of us all. And I don't know if there

1745
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 1: was anything involved in this accident, but I do know

1746
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 1: they were in a like construction zone where the they

1747
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 1: put those concrete walls up, you know, to kind of

1748
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 1: like devvy you to a different direction, and um, they

1749
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 1: I guess somehow hit one of those total ur van. Um.

1750
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 1: Our guitar player also happened to be Uh. He's very

1751
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 1: introverted and didn't really hang out with us on trips

1752
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 1: a whole lot. He puts ear phones in, you know,

1753
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: and just do his own thing. Um. And but we

1754
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: still loved him. A good guy, you know overall. And um,

1755
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 1: he apparently totals our van. He's also kind of does

1756
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 1: like a lot of our finances, whatever that means. I mean,

1757
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,599
Speaker 1: you know, just we got we had a couple of loans.

1758
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 1: We had a loan pulled out to get our first

1759
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,679
Speaker 1: album done, or really our second album, but our first

1760
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, produce. We produced our first album, we

1761
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: wanted a different producer and um, anyway, it was tied

1762
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 1: to the van. The van was collateral on the loan

1763
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 1: note for that album. So to get the uh the

1764
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 1: van title, UM, so that we could claim insurance, we

1765
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 1: had to pay off the note for the album and

1766
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: it left us with sixty seven dollars in our account

1767
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 1: and and so and then uh, two weeks later, our

1768
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 1: guitar player quit, just out of out of the blue.

1769
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 1: And when he quit, there you know, he was good

1770
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 1: friends from high school with the other two dudes in

1771
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 1: the band, and they were like, man, I just don't

1772
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 1: really want to play without him. You know, things were

1773
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 1: going well um overall, but we were all just I

1774
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 1: always think that that the biggest like stifle to creativity

1775
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 1: is uh, too big a workload on people. I think

1776
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 1: that's what That's what stimy's creativity, in my opinion, is

1777
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 1: when people get so busy that they don't have time

1778
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 1: to sit there and think, you know, yeah, and so

1779
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that uh, we were at that point,

1780
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 1: We're like, we're all working these jobs at pizza in

1781
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:10,639
Speaker 1: I was basically a glorified janitor at my dad's fishing lodge.

1782
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, I have a degree from s m U

1783
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: with a economics which is like I could go get

1784
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: a good job in Dallas, you know, but I'm making

1785
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, hardly anything working for my dad just because

1786
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 1: he would let me go tour on the weekends, you know.

1787
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: And so uh, anyway, we're all just like kind of

1788
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 1: burnt a little bit, but we're doing good things. We're

1789
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 1: still just on this weird we're in this weird category.

1790
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 1: We're not making a whole lot of money still, um,

1791
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 1: but we're playing some big shows a big artist. Anyway,

1792
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 1: when he quit, everybody else to kind of fell off,

1793
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:43,720
Speaker 1: and uh, I truly like kind of went into I

1794
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 1: would say I went I was depressed for like eighteen

1795
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 1: months and um, and kind of had to work through that.

1796
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 1: But that was kind of the end of the whole thing.

1797
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 1: Is just like, you know, we're playing this big festival

1798
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 1: guitar play gets in the Wreck and Totals of Van

1799
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 1: and that was But it was like at the time,

1800
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 1: I was depressed for eight teen months, But then I

1801
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 1: look back on it years later, a couple of years later,

1802
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 1: and like I got to spend all that time with

1803
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 1: my daughter as a newborn that I would not have

1804
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 1: I would have been gone all the time. You know,

1805
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 1: I was gone all the time. And my son at

1806
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:17,639
Speaker 1: the time, you know, he's five at the time, four

1807
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: years old whatever it is. So you know, we're just

1808
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 1: like I got to spend some like precious time with

1809
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 1: them that I would don't. I would not trade anything

1810
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: for good. Yeah, and so I it was definitely blessing.

1811
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 1: I'm very glad it happened. And now things are a

1812
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: lot more calm and have a you know, decent job,

1813
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 1: and I'm just really appreciative for that as opposed to,

1814
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 1: you know, doing the touring thing. It's hard. You probably

1815
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: talked co about it, so it's it's not always easy.

1816
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: And he's doing he's super successful right now, so he

1817
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 1: probably gets to you know, at the time, we were

1818
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: loading all our own stuff in and out. I was

1819
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 1: driving the van a lot. And I don't sleep well,

1820
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, like I mean, if I I'll wake up

1821
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 1: when it pen drops, you know. So it's just I didn't.

1822
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:05,960
Speaker 1: I would go to sleep at four and wake up

1823
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 1: at six thirty, you know, and then go do it

1824
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,600
Speaker 1: all over again. Bloodshot. It was. It was tough for

1825
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 1: a twenty five year old. Even it's tough, you know,

1826
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 1: I can't imagine doing it right now for sure. So

1827
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 1: how did you guys meet? Funny story, you say it

1828
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 1: how you wanted. So I will always joke that we

1829
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 1: made on the internet. Um, but we didn't go to

1830
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 1: the same high school. Uh, but my wife is from

1831
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 1: the same hometown as Tyler's right up the road, you know,

1832
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 1: like uh like eighteen miles or something like that. I

1833
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 1: don't know. Um. And um, when my wife and I

1834
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 1: were dating, she was like, Hey, this guy fly fishes.

1835
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 1: You should go fly fish with him because I like

1836
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 1: to fly fish a lot too. Um. And so I

1837
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 1: was like, okay, you made a film going fishing at

1838
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 1: the Valley of at All in New Mexico and I watched.

1839
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 1: I was like it was pretty cool. Yeah. So uh

1840
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,680
Speaker 1: she was like, now, um, I don't think she regrets it,

1841
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: but now fly fishing for large mouths or you went

1842
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 1: to trout water no, So like it's funny, yeah a

1843
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 1: little bit. But um, we kind of grew up in

1844
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 1: that bass culture thing with like fancy boats, fancy trucks,

1845
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:13,639
Speaker 1: and we didn't really weren't in it that much because

1846
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 1: we were pretty poor. But like we saw that this

1847
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: firsthand for me because my dad had a fishing lodge

1848
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:21,800
Speaker 1: and that was I mean, it was just like the

1849
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 1: nineties were crazy at Fork, like it was operation world Record.

1850
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean they were trying to break the world record

1851
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 1: at Fork. It was like all this new, this whole

1852
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: new school thought as like pertaining to large mouth bass.

1853
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:34,679
Speaker 1: Text parks and wildlife was trying to grow the biggest

1854
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 1: bass they could and Fork was a place that they

1855
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 1: were supposed to do it. You know, they're a double

1856
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 1: digit every day in the spring. It felt like whenever,

1857
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 1: like in those days like that. I mean, it was

1858
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 1: just it was crazy that that fishing lodge was a

1859
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 1: large mouth bass fishing lodge. Um, they called it a

1860
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: bass and breakfast. It was kind of a play on words. Yeah,

1861
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 1: so um it was. It was pretty much still probably

1862
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 1: is the hot kind of the more high class, one

1863
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 1: of the nicer places on the lake. Yeah. It's got

1864
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 1: seven rooms and my dad it was originally like a

1865
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 1: house slash real estate office for when the lake, you know,

1866
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 1: when they did eminent domain, all the lake, all the

1867
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: new property around the lake is all a sudden worth

1868
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: a lot more like it took a lot of money

1869
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 1: away from those land away from those landowners. But it

1870
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: also created this new lake front property that is worth

1871
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money. And so this guy, this proprietor

1872
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 1: kind of opens up this business slash his house. It's

1873
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: a big place. While he sold it to my dad,

1874
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 1: and my dad kind of renovated a little bit and

1875
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 1: put bathrooms in rooms and what's it called Lake FOURK

1876
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 1: Lodge pass and breakfast. So he's well, they used to make.

1877
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 1: My mom's a really good cook and and they used

1878
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:52,720
Speaker 1: to make a huge breakfast for everybody stayed there at

1879
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:54,840
Speaker 1: ten thirty. So the guys would fish the morning and

1880
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 1: bring them all back in and they'd eat just you know,

1881
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,799
Speaker 1: sixty eggs and all the biscuits and gravy and sinemon

1882
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:06,120
Speaker 1: rolls and everything. My mom made everything, you know homemade. Yeah,

1883
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: my parents still do it, but they they have scaled

1884
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,679
Speaker 1: back a lot because as you could imagine, phone calls

1885
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,839
Speaker 1: at midnight from you know, they pretty much do groups,

1886
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 1: and they kind of do it more like an airbnb

1887
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: thing where it's like, hey, you kind of take care

1888
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: of yourself where you're there this weekend. You know, So

1889
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 1: you rebelled and decided to become a trout fisherman kind of.

1890
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Originally I was fly fishing for bass

1891
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 1: because you know, at sixteen or whatever, seventeen like, but

1892
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 1: not really, I don't really. The Rockies is a whole

1893
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 1: different world, you know. Um, But if in college that's

1894
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 1: what I dreamed about. I didn't have any free time

1895
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: in college. I mean we were practicing like probably three

1896
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty days a year, you know, so any time.

1897
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:50,960
Speaker 1: But my dream I would read books about fly fishing

1898
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: and tied flies in my own room and just you know,

1899
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 1: that was what I wanted to do. And I don't

1900
01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: know if it was like an active counterculture role mindset,

1901
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: but it probably was countercultural subconscious nudged that way a lot,

1902
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, because you kind of just see this whole

1903
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:13,720
Speaker 1: just like flash and bang of big bass fishing and

1904
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: ninety thousand dollar boats and ninety thousand dollar trucks and

1905
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, all the things that come with it, and

1906
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it's a little bit of

1907
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 1: that and a little bit of also this whole mystique

1908
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 1: and the Rockies. The inability to to buy ELK tags,

1909
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 1: when you can go get to thirty dollar fishing license,

1910
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of what drove me that way.

1911
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:34,600
Speaker 1: Probably you guys caught wind of each other. Yeah. I

1912
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 1: was actually living on the coast, working for a fist

1913
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 1: and spending all my free time fly fishing in the bay.

1914
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:43,400
Speaker 1: That's how I learned how to fly fish pretty much.

1915
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:44,760
Speaker 1: I was like Tyler, I had that you know, the

1916
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 1: warm trout, yeah, red trout and flounder, you know, and

1917
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: and honestly, I really like catching sheep head, which might

1918
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: be different than what you'll call it sheepid, but I

1919
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 1: know that. I know that about big teeth. You know,

1920
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 1: jump some tarp in too. I did jump some tarping

1921
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 1: on fly. Yeah that's kind of wild. Um. So that's

1922
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: how we kind of started lining up. Was m Tyler

1923
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 1: saved my name in his phone is what was it?

1924
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: Uh something? Because I really wanted to catch her red

1925
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 1: fish you know at the time on the fly. So

1926
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: we still haven't done that. But um, I was up there.

1927
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 1: I was long distance with my girlfriend at that time,

1928
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 1: who's my wife now, and I was up visiting her

1929
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,559
Speaker 1: and him and I planned a little fly fishing trip

1930
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:31,960
Speaker 1: to a place that we have um uh striper fishery, um,

1931
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, stock strapper fishery. I think they might reproduce

1932
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: there anyways, it's there's enough salinity that I think they

1933
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 1: have reproducing population, So pretty good fishery. I actually caught

1934
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:43,560
Speaker 1: one there a month before, a nice fish, like you know,

1935
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 1: twenty five in long fish and um, so we took

1936
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 1: a little trip up there, and Tyler was like, hey, man,

1937
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: you monify like film this and I was like sure, man,

1938
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't care. You know, whatever sounds cool, and we

1939
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:57,720
Speaker 1: like put together a little thing, you know, just kind

1940
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 1: of for fun. And then like a month later he's like, hey,

1941
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:03,600
Speaker 1: you want to come up and we'll drive to Arizona

1942
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 1: in fish for twenty four hours and then drive that home.

1943
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:09,360
Speaker 1: And I was like absolutely, So then we took off

1944
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 1: across the country to go, uh catching Apache trout, which

1945
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: is kind of a rare native trout species. Is that

1946
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:20,599
Speaker 1: a cutthroat pretty much like a subspecies of cutthroat, which, uh,

1947
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:23,240
Speaker 1: your friend Mark Kennon would probably have some interesting things

1948
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 1: to say about how that all works. You know, Uh,

1949
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 1: there's group there's groupers or lumpers, and then there's dividers split. Yeah. Um,

1950
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:33,640
Speaker 1: whether no matter how you feel on that, they do

1951
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 1: look different. So it's fun to cross those off your list.

1952
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 1: And in the native fish live in some really cool

1953
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:42,200
Speaker 1: places and uh really, um, we made a video from that.

1954
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:44,680
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. We called the Apache Trout like we

1955
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 1: wanted to. And then on the way home from there,

1956
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 1: we kind of, like I don't know, also decided we

1957
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 1: like to deer hunt, and uh, Tyler kind of floated

1958
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 1: the idea of having a podcast, Um to me while

1959
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:59,200
Speaker 1: we're driving home through hail storms. Yeah, how many years

1960
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 1: ago is this? That was sixteen early and six mid

1961
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 1: summer sixteen. So what do you guys do with your

1962
01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 1: patchy trout video? You put it on YouTube. It's on YouTube. Ye, yeah,

1963
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 1: it's a pretty low views, like six minutes. It's gotta

1964
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:24,920
Speaker 1: a couple hundred views on it. Well, did you guys

1965
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 1: get into it thinking you're just good do it for fun?

1966
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:28,200
Speaker 1: Or did you get it thinking that you were going

1967
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to like do outdoor media. Um,

1968
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 1: but just do it on your own without We definitely

1969
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,080
Speaker 1: had different outlooks on this. Tyler is a visionary. I

1970
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 1: mean you can sell by starting bands doing all that stuff,

1971
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:42,759
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I am much more of a free spirit,

1972
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 1: which not to say he isn't. But I just was like,

1973
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:47,680
Speaker 1: this is fun cool. I kind of fly out the

1974
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 1: seat of the pants, kind of impulsive a little bit,

1975
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 1: which my wife will tell you. I'm not so I

1976
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:53,680
Speaker 1: don't understand you know of stuff, but thank you by

1977
01:50:53,720 --> 01:51:03,640
Speaker 1: the leg of your pants. Yeah, man, Tylered experimented with

1978
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:06,360
Speaker 1: the outdoor stuff a little bit before that. Yeah, I did,

1979
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:12,679
Speaker 1: uh kind of having video and ducks and whatever forever.

1980
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I've always have always wanted to

1981
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:17,880
Speaker 1: do what I'm doing right now for a living, Like

1982
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 1: It's always been the goal. Even like even when I

1983
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: when I was chasing the music dream, I always thought

1984
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 1: if there was something one thing I could do besides

1985
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 1: music that I would rather do, it would be this.

1986
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 1: Do you'd rather do more than being a rock and

1987
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,800
Speaker 1: roll star? Yeah, I think so. I love and I

1988
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:39,880
Speaker 1: love creating music right there. Oh, this is I mean,

1989
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 1: it's what it's literally, it's who I am. Like I

1990
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 1: this is what I've done since I was I mean,

1991
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 1: I was running around one time. It was a quick

1992
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 1: little story interjection here, Sorry, my dad. I left a

1993
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: red rider out in the rain and and uh leaned

1994
01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 1: up against chain Lake fence and it rusted and my

1995
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 1: dad got he's a gun he's very strict with gun safety.

1996
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:06,400
Speaker 1: So he got, you know, a little bit perturbed by that,

1997
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 1: and so he banned me from my gun for a

1998
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 1: long time. I don't know, it was like probably a year,

1999
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 1: but he, uh, he made me a bow out of

2000
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 1: a willow tree and it's literally like cut the branch

2001
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 1: in two spots, tie some trot line string mcnotchet, tie

2002
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 1: some trot line string to it. And he gave me

2003
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:26,559
Speaker 1: an aluminum arrow. And that was what I hunted birds

2004
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:32,760
Speaker 1: with for a year. I never killed. You always do

2005
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 1: with the red riders. It would rust them out, is uh.

2006
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:37,759
Speaker 1: We'd speed load them where you put all your babies

2007
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 1: in your mouth, like hundreds of babies in your mouth,

2008
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 1: then you line up your mouth to that port, blow

2009
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:48,519
Speaker 1: them all in there, and you just could rust your ships. Man,

2010
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 1: I had a daisy. Everybody's got the like leave the

2011
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 1: or maybe not everybody. A lot of people of that

2012
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 1: leave the baby gun out and get in trouble. Story.

2013
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:57,560
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a thing. It's like almost a

2014
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 1: rite of patches us. It was if you left the

2015
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 1: old man's tools out. Yeah, I was getting in trouble

2016
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: for a roof and hammer a lot because it's kind

2017
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,280
Speaker 1: of like a hatchet. I'd always take that bath. Uh.

2018
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 1: But I was doing that with a Daisy twenty two

2019
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:14,360
Speaker 1: caliber um, you know, like bolt action, and those are lead.

2020
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:18,799
Speaker 1: So as a kid, I was packing lead lead pellets

2021
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 1: in my lip like it was snuff. And it's a

2022
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 1: great way to carry him, you know. And so yeah,

2023
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 1: if I like twitch a little bit, that's probably why

2024
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 1: I remember, Uh, my old man, we left someone left

2025
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,160
Speaker 1: the tools out in the yard and they got rained on.

2026
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 1: And remember my old man taking me my two brothers

2027
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:39,720
Speaker 1: and putting us in the bathroom with the light out,

2028
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: and he said, when someone's ready to tell me who

2029
01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 1: left those tools on in the rain, and three of

2030
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:46,680
Speaker 1: you can come out of that bathroom. And no one

2031
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 1: had any idea. I can't hereby we're just I feel

2032
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 1: like someone had the way we remember it, someone had

2033
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 1: even to come out and be like, I didn't you know,

2034
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 1: no one had any idea. You couldn't come out of

2035
01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 1: the bath roountil. Someone's gonna clarify for the two left

2036
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:02,640
Speaker 1: the tools on the rain. There's such a big thing

2037
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:05,719
Speaker 1: to So you were the youngest, did you get remember

2038
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 1: like that? Feeling that you'd be laying in bed and

2039
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 1: then start raining, and just the feeling a dread that

2040
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 1: you know something's out in the rain. It's not the

2041
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: rain outside, just to feeling like you're gonna wake up

2042
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 1: and be like, oh no, we left that out in

2043
01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 1: the rain and in all the trump but you're gonna

2044
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:29,120
Speaker 1: be rain anxiety for sure. It's constant. Yeah, So that's

2045
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 1: kind of how we kind of got together, was the

2046
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 1: fly fishing thing, and then decided we deer hunt. Yeah,

2047
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,360
Speaker 1: so how many how many how many videos have you

2048
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:38,680
Speaker 1: guys made it as the Elements four hunt? I think

2049
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:42,160
Speaker 1: it's OK. Yeah, I mean there's probably a few that

2050
01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:44,560
Speaker 1: we made that aren't on the channel too. There's definitely

2051
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 1: some we've got something. We've got something pervace that we're

2052
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:50,840
Speaker 1: going to media channel at some point, so some new ones.

2053
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 1: How did you guys come up with the name of

2054
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:58,200
Speaker 1: the Element? I wanted something, so I wanted something that

2055
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 1: basically I was trying to compete with meat Eater, right,

2056
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 1: so I needed something that was broad. I didn't because

2057
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:06,840
Speaker 1: we I mean, I love deer hunting and I think

2058
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about it the last few years especially,

2059
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:11,920
Speaker 1: but I mean what we did growing up, Like whatever

2060
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 1: season it was, that's what you did, you know, if

2061
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 1: it's smart, Yeah exactly. So, I mean we did everything,

2062
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 1: and I love doing everything. I love fishing and hunting everything.

2063
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 1: So that's what we did growing up, and that's what

2064
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to do eventually with the Element. But I

2065
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 1: also knew like if we niche down a little bit,

2066
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:30,800
Speaker 1: we can gain some traction because why it tells a

2067
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:35,480
Speaker 1: pretty big category. And so, um, I I left the name.

2068
01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:39,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a broad thing and uh and

2069
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 1: then we need to become a rock band that name.

2070
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, um so yeah, that's that's kind of

2071
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:51,400
Speaker 1: the reason I wanted the name to be, to be

2072
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 1: able to represent like whatever you're doing is what you're doing,

2073
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, but you guys have had You've guys had

2074
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 1: the most action and become known for just like on

2075
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 1: the fly wait til hunting Yeah yeah, which, like I said,

2076
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:10,640
Speaker 1: it's like they tail version of running and gunning for turkeys. Yeah,

2077
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean that's what. Yeah, I mean, that's and he's like,

2078
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:17,480
Speaker 1: like he mentioned, he's always down for a good time

2079
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:21,200
Speaker 1: and he's always just like he's super optimistic. His uh

2080
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 1: just positive spin on everything, I mean, and that's like,

2081
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 1: that's a big part of this deal because uh, we

2082
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:28,920
Speaker 1: had no money when we started this thing at all.

2083
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,240
Speaker 1: It was just like I had some cameras. I actually

2084
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:34,800
Speaker 1: did wedding wedding film, wedding videography so that I could

2085
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 1: pay for cameras to do this, and basically we uh

2086
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:44,520
Speaker 1: he his his kind of optimism is what got us

2087
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:48,400
Speaker 1: through because we're hunting public land pressured stuff, especially in

2088
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:51,840
Speaker 1: Texas where we started, lots of people, little deer, not

2089
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:54,480
Speaker 1: very many bucks, low kind of low deer density areas,

2090
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:57,600
Speaker 1: and that sounds great. Yeah, it's so much funny. It's

2091
01:56:57,600 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 1: so much funny. You know, you're just sitting in a

2092
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 1: tree waiting on something to walk by, you know, and

2093
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:04,000
Speaker 1: nothing does most of the time. So it was a

2094
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 1: struggle and uh like for me, h, knowing that we

2095
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:11,280
Speaker 1: needed to make videos, I mean to to have any

2096
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:14,280
Speaker 1: sort of traction happened that it was hard. I got

2097
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:16,440
Speaker 1: down on myself a lot about it. And so having

2098
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 1: him around is like crucial to our his like mentality

2099
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 1: to our what we that's then it's crucial to um,

2100
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:28,080
Speaker 1: I try to be as optimistic as I can, and

2101
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:31,600
Speaker 1: it really isn't even it's it's very inert within me.

2102
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah you want to try. So it's not that like

2103
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm optimist, but I'm just always looking for the next

2104
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 1: good thing to do, and not like a not like

2105
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 1: a fix or a high. But like, if we're in

2106
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 1: a situation this is this is like the microcasm of

2107
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: how we are twenty nineteen eighteen. Um. We are calling

2108
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:56,160
Speaker 1: in a buck on public land, rattling them in from

2109
01:57:56,200 --> 01:57:59,560
Speaker 1: three fifty yards out. I'm the shooter, Tyler's the videographer.

2110
01:58:00,200 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 1: Uh rallis deer in liket yards and I take the

2111
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 1: shot and my arrow deflects off of something grass or

2112
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:09,960
Speaker 1: something like that, and immediately I'm grabbing another era I'm

2113
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 1: like trying to kill it, dear still, and Tyler like,

2114
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 1: and then on the way home, I'm like, oh man,

2115
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:23,400
Speaker 1: that's s dunk. And then Tyler, you know, Tyler's kind

2116
01:58:23,400 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 1: of over it already, but like in the moment, I'm like,

2117
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 1: let's go, you know, like we just gotta get this

2118
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:29,840
Speaker 1: thing done, whatever it takes to do it, which just

2119
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:32,600
Speaker 1: sounds so cliche, you know, but the reason cliches exist

2120
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 1: is because a lot of times they're true. And a

2121
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 1: lot of times the thing you need to do. So yeah,

2122
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:40,720
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I operate. Just um uh Tyler, Um,

2123
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:42,800
Speaker 1: you're not critical of me of this, but you've pointed

2124
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:44,800
Speaker 1: out I'll put it that way, Tyler, this is great.

2125
01:58:44,840 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 1: We have a great relationship because what we do in

2126
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:50,040
Speaker 1: the woods is we stand next to one another and

2127
01:58:50,200 --> 01:58:52,200
Speaker 1: we shoot as many holes in the boat as we can,

2128
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 1: uh proverbably not like the boat we're hunt out of,

2129
01:58:55,920 --> 01:59:00,840
Speaker 1: but um, until we just find run the sieve through

2130
01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 1: the idea, until we find the idea of what to

2131
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:05,920
Speaker 1: do hunting. And that's what we do. And so where

2132
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 1: was I going with that? Whenever I was talking about that,

2133
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:09,480
Speaker 1: I kind of got lost. You were talking about the

2134
01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 1: microchasm of our Yeah, yeah, just that that's kind of

2135
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:15,560
Speaker 1: how we are. So like, I'll have an idea and

2136
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 1: Tyler was like, no, we can't do that because this

2137
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,960
Speaker 1: isn't this And like, if you learn to put your

2138
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 1: pride aside and understand that you're both trying to have

2139
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 1: the best outcome, then you can get that. But if

2140
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:27,200
Speaker 1: you're the guys like, well, why don't we want to

2141
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:30,640
Speaker 1: do my idea become possessive of like like you want

2142
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:33,120
Speaker 1: to own the end results, so you feel like you

2143
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:35,360
Speaker 1: need to own the process. Yeah. If you can get

2144
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 1: by that, man, you can you can do some stuff. Yeah. Yeah,

2145
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 1: that's that's it. I think even in business, like that's

2146
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:42,920
Speaker 1: the way to be. Like, you have to be able

2147
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:47,360
Speaker 1: to speak to another person straightforward. There's no reason to

2148
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:49,960
Speaker 1: mess around, you know, like, let me tell you how

2149
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:52,520
Speaker 1: I think about it, and don't get offended. And I won't.

2150
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything about you. I'm just saying this

2151
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 1: is my idea, So what do you think about that?

2152
01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:01,040
Speaker 1: And we just could constantly. That's like, that's a business thing,

2153
02:00:01,120 --> 02:00:03,640
Speaker 1: but it's also it's how we kill deer. What I

2154
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:06,040
Speaker 1: was saying was what your critical ever bring up about me?

2155
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:09,240
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying. The um, I'm kind of

2156
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:12,480
Speaker 1: a little bit too optimistic sometimes, so It'll be the

2157
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:14,920
Speaker 1: last day of a hunt eleven am and I'm still

2158
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:16,640
Speaker 1: like trying to rattle in dear on the way out

2159
02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:19,400
Speaker 1: of the woods or something like that. That's that's me.

2160
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm that guy, like got you're slow to switch it

2161
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 1: into the holy ship mode. I don't. I don't take

2162
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:25,760
Speaker 1: my release off pretty much till I get back to

2163
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:29,480
Speaker 1: the truck, you know, yeah, and where Tyler's like, Okay,

2164
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,360
Speaker 1: let's get home and see the family, you know, which

2165
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:33,440
Speaker 1: is a good thing. Uh So just you know, a

2166
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 1: different way we operate. You guys, ever get in to

2167
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:37,880
Speaker 1: a fist fight. Never fist fight, no, no, never even

2168
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:41,080
Speaker 1: yelled at each other. But we've had our disagreements, for sure.

2169
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:44,880
Speaker 1: We Uh, this thing Tyler remarks about a lot. And

2170
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of interesting is we're both Christians. Uh,

2171
02:00:47,680 --> 02:00:49,360
Speaker 1: we kind of try to live by a certain set

2172
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:52,800
Speaker 1: of standards and uh, you'll never this. Now, this stuff

2173
02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:55,160
Speaker 1: only happens between us, right, We we usually keep these

2174
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:58,880
Speaker 1: disagreements pretty private. Um, but you'll never see two grown

2175
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:04,200
Speaker 1: men like be very vehemient with one another and not

2176
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:09,240
Speaker 1: say a single cuss word the whole time. It's yeah, yeah,

2177
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:12,720
Speaker 1: So it's like we have a lot of pauses like

2178
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:15,800
Speaker 1: like what do I say? And it kind of goes

2179
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:17,400
Speaker 1: back to like the leap for all Triestians, like how

2180
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:20,080
Speaker 1: do I not escalate the situation? You know? That's right,

2181
02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:23,520
Speaker 1: that's right, And honestly, we we um, we still have

2182
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:25,800
Speaker 1: disagreements from time to time, but we haven't really ever

2183
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:27,600
Speaker 1: had like a knockdown drag out, I'm not doing this

2184
02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:30,360
Speaker 1: anymore too much kind of deal. Were you guys? Were

2185
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:34,640
Speaker 1: you guys raised the religious households? Yeah? Yeah, there was

2186
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:37,640
Speaker 1: a moment, uh though, just to go back to what

2187
02:01:37,720 --> 02:01:39,240
Speaker 1: you said, where I was like I was pretty much

2188
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:42,880
Speaker 1: done with the element. There was a moment, yeah, Like

2189
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:48,960
Speaker 1: I got to the point where no, I just we

2190
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:52,560
Speaker 1: So at postseason there's always this kind of like postseason

2191
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:54,800
Speaker 1: drag where you're like, man, it's cold, there's nothing to do.

2192
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:57,160
Speaker 1: We didn't have as good a season we wanted as

2193
02:01:57,200 --> 02:02:01,000
Speaker 1: we wanted maybe uh, like early on especially, and and

2194
02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 1: we're in that same mode where I was talking about

2195
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:05,680
Speaker 1: with my band earlier. We're like, uh, we have to

2196
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:09,160
Speaker 1: go work jobs and then also do this part time.

2197
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:12,040
Speaker 1: You know, however we can make ends meet. And so

2198
02:02:12,360 --> 02:02:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, he did a lot of um, he did

2199
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:17,920
Speaker 1: a lot of carpentry work because that's kind of where

2200
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:20,480
Speaker 1: he grew up, was in that that space and so

2201
02:02:21,160 --> 02:02:24,200
Speaker 1: uh and so the reason that I ended up doing

2202
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:26,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the the editing and stuff like that

2203
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:30,720
Speaker 1: for videos UM was I had like we had sold

2204
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:34,000
Speaker 1: a house in um the house that my wife and

2205
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:36,880
Speaker 1: I bought when we first got married, and uh, we

2206
02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:39,320
Speaker 1: took like everything I made off of that she worked

2207
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:41,760
Speaker 1: as a teacher, which is not a very good income,

2208
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:44,360
Speaker 1: but it's okay, you know, and then took all the

2209
02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:47,800
Speaker 1: money that we made, which wasn't a bunch, and that's

2210
02:02:47,800 --> 02:02:49,800
Speaker 1: what we lived on for the next few years while

2211
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:51,320
Speaker 1: I just edited every day. He didn't have a job,

2212
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:56,040
Speaker 1: and so like full transparency, you know, it feels like

2213
02:02:56,240 --> 02:02:59,520
Speaker 1: he's going out and making money. I'm editing and not

2214
02:02:59,720 --> 02:03:02,720
Speaker 1: making any money and keeping this thing afloat, and and

2215
02:03:02,840 --> 02:03:04,800
Speaker 1: it's just a hard time right in like a business

2216
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:09,480
Speaker 1: owner of proprietor's life. And it was like just a struggle.

2217
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:12,760
Speaker 1: And so it came down like after the season where

2218
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:16,080
Speaker 1: I told my wife, I was like, I'm not I

2219
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:19,160
Speaker 1: would rather than lose a friend and be like angry

2220
02:03:19,200 --> 02:03:21,040
Speaker 1: at him or him be angry at me and me

2221
02:03:21,160 --> 02:03:23,960
Speaker 1: all have to make a passive aggressive statement or whatever.

2222
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:27,080
Speaker 1: I'd rather just say done with this, you know, and

2223
02:03:27,600 --> 02:03:29,960
Speaker 1: finding find a decent job or whatever, you know, we

2224
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:32,360
Speaker 1: wanted to do at the time. And so I had

2225
02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:34,280
Speaker 1: gotten to that point and that was like probably the

2226
02:03:34,360 --> 02:03:35,840
Speaker 1: last one of the last times that he and I

2227
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:41,160
Speaker 1: had like a an argument. Yeah, And so when during

2228
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:44,320
Speaker 1: these years when you were being so like I I

2229
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:46,640
Speaker 1: appreciate all the elbow greef so like. I think it

2230
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:49,560
Speaker 1: like a principled existence where you're you were going to be.

2231
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:53,400
Speaker 1: You pursued music, you pursued you know, being an outdoor

2232
02:03:53,480 --> 02:03:56,680
Speaker 1: media like stuff. That's hard. Did your wife ever was

2233
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:59,760
Speaker 1: shiver like listen, man, I heard the phone companies hiring.

2234
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:06,080
Speaker 1: There was definitely sometimes oh yeah, like towards probably she

2235
02:04:06,280 --> 02:04:09,760
Speaker 1: was really like, I mean at this point, like I've

2236
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:15,240
Speaker 1: been out of college for ten or twelve years or

2237
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:17,600
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I can't even think about it right now,

2238
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:19,840
Speaker 1: but it's been a while, and and the whole time

2239
02:04:19,960 --> 02:04:23,360
Speaker 1: we've lived very poor. Like I've sat with my hand

2240
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:25,880
Speaker 1: my head in my hands in the driveway thinking how

2241
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:29,440
Speaker 1: am I gonna pay for you know, five mortgage? And

2242
02:04:29,600 --> 02:04:31,040
Speaker 1: I said, cheap mortgage, you know what I mean. We

2243
02:04:31,120 --> 02:04:33,000
Speaker 1: had a little house, so I mean not a little house,

2244
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:35,400
Speaker 1: but at a cheap house that we bought in the recession.

2245
02:04:36,160 --> 02:04:39,480
Speaker 1: And uh, it came it came down to where she

2246
02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:41,480
Speaker 1: was like, listen, we got to put an ultimatum on

2247
02:04:41,560 --> 02:04:43,040
Speaker 1: this thing, Like there's got to be a time where

2248
02:04:43,080 --> 02:04:45,720
Speaker 1: you say, okay, you don't have to quit, but like

2249
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:49,720
Speaker 1: maybe time to get a more stable job, you know.

2250
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:54,240
Speaker 1: And I don't know if we ever came to a

2251
02:04:54,360 --> 02:05:04,520
Speaker 1: date or terms with that. The season I think is whenever.

2252
02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:06,760
Speaker 1: Like that was kind of the make or break year,

2253
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:08,800
Speaker 1: and you and I both had kind of make or

2254
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:10,880
Speaker 1: break experiences in the woods that kind of because I

2255
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:15,880
Speaker 1: was like, um, kind of excited about you taking that

2256
02:05:16,120 --> 02:05:17,880
Speaker 1: job that we would take some of the heat off

2257
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:19,920
Speaker 1: of that situation. I was a newly with I forgot

2258
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:22,800
Speaker 1: I didn't even mention the job that I had when

2259
02:05:22,840 --> 02:05:25,600
Speaker 1: the works and so like I had to work. My

2260
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 1: wife met me before the element, so pretty much Tyler

2261
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:31,560
Speaker 1: video on my wedding, okay, So like that was like

2262
02:05:31,880 --> 02:05:34,720
Speaker 1: kind of how it all started at the same time. Yeah,

2263
02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:39,440
Speaker 1: a smoking deal. Um. So and like my wife is like,

2264
02:05:39,480 --> 02:05:43,840
Speaker 1: hold on, this is not what I was like, you know, nuptualate,

2265
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:53,320
Speaker 1: innuptuating or whatever, you know. So uh um uh we

2266
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:55,760
Speaker 1: junglingly say you gotta thought with your wife. Sometimes, Um,

2267
02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:58,360
Speaker 1: I'll just say I say that I'm not gonna I've

2268
02:05:58,440 --> 02:06:01,000
Speaker 1: been there. We're married too. Wonderful women by the way,

2269
02:06:01,200 --> 02:06:04,960
Speaker 1: Uh they're great. Um. But like in the year twenty

2270
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:07,280
Speaker 1: it was somewhat of a make or break year because

2271
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:10,760
Speaker 1: it was like, man, we've got a things are moving

2272
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:13,720
Speaker 1: slow as far as like element stuff goes. I got

2273
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put my wife through grad school. You're working,

2274
02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, doing editing pretty much full time. Caylee is

2275
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, uh, the one income on your end, and

2276
02:06:24,240 --> 02:06:25,880
Speaker 1: like we're like, man, what do we do? And then

2277
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:30,120
Speaker 1: we kill some deer that year and like it was like, man,

2278
02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:32,960
Speaker 1: we can actually do this. So it's self filming too.

2279
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:36,280
Speaker 1: This is we had got an intern that year and

2280
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:40,560
Speaker 1: he washed out before November got here, and so it's like, gosh,

2281
02:06:40,680 --> 02:06:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, what are we gonna do? So we end

2282
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:44,200
Speaker 1: up to self filming ourselves a like that year, put

2283
02:06:44,280 --> 02:06:46,960
Speaker 1: some things together and then man, it was a good year.

2284
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:49,160
Speaker 1: It's a good year. It's kind of it was kind

2285
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:52,360
Speaker 1: of like I had a job, so I was actually

2286
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:54,400
Speaker 1: with my church was trying to hire me to like

2287
02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:57,640
Speaker 1: lead the music portion of the services, you know, yeah

2288
02:06:57,720 --> 02:06:59,800
Speaker 1: and do and do a church podcast and that kind

2289
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:03,480
Speaker 1: of you know. So uh my wife is like, yes,

2290
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:06,680
Speaker 1: he'll do it, you know, and I'm like, I'm like

2291
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:11,400
Speaker 1: pretty much. I was like, man, I don't know, like

2292
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:13,960
Speaker 1: things are going okay, you know. And then I killed

2293
02:07:14,040 --> 02:07:17,080
Speaker 1: five bucks a year and it was three of them

2294
02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:19,440
Speaker 1: were like wall hangers, I mean, big year, you know.

2295
02:07:19,720 --> 02:07:23,040
Speaker 1: And uh, I remember that my church kind of gave

2296
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:25,839
Speaker 1: me this, like, uh hey, by the end of November,

2297
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:27,240
Speaker 1: can you let us know something, you know, where you

2298
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:29,120
Speaker 1: gonna do this? I had. I had already been basically

2299
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:32,360
Speaker 1: starting in COVID like that's when I started leading the

2300
02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:35,440
Speaker 1: music stuff there and I was just doing it as

2301
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:38,560
Speaker 1: like an interim, you know, and uh they wanted me

2302
02:07:38,600 --> 02:07:40,560
Speaker 1: to continue, and I told him. I was like, oh yeah,

2303
02:07:40,600 --> 02:07:42,280
Speaker 1: I guess I was hoping we could get through the

2304
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:44,320
Speaker 1: season and see how the Element is doing it, you know,

2305
02:07:44,360 --> 02:07:47,280
Speaker 1: in January or something, and uh so, but they wanted

2306
02:07:47,320 --> 02:07:50,440
Speaker 1: to do it by December. So I literally killed my

2307
02:07:50,520 --> 02:07:54,000
Speaker 1: fourth buck on November and it it's the video. We

2308
02:07:54,120 --> 02:07:56,640
Speaker 1: just reached a million views on that video. But it's

2309
02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:59,600
Speaker 1: our you know, biggest deer video, I guess you could say.

2310
02:08:00,200 --> 02:08:02,320
Speaker 1: And when I killed that buck, I was pretty much

2311
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:05,080
Speaker 1: like I found that as a sign as I should

2312
02:08:05,160 --> 02:08:08,120
Speaker 1: probably decline that job and kind of do the Element thing,

2313
02:08:08,200 --> 02:08:12,440
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. Yeah, So and then killed another deer

2314
02:08:12,480 --> 02:08:14,440
Speaker 1: at the end of December that is like our second

2315
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:17,800
Speaker 1: biggest video. So we had a pretty good talk on

2316
02:08:18,200 --> 02:08:21,360
Speaker 1: Cyculotyer on November twenty three that year, and uh, we

2317
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:24,120
Speaker 1: were both driving back in separate vehicles and we had

2318
02:08:24,120 --> 02:08:25,480
Speaker 1: a pretty good talk that was kind of like, you

2319
02:08:25,560 --> 02:08:28,440
Speaker 1: know what, let's just go and just do this thing,

2320
02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, and which again cliche, but you know, that

2321
02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:34,800
Speaker 1: was like, we can we can make this happen with

2322
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:37,240
Speaker 1: hard work. If we continue this on you know, um,

2323
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:39,680
Speaker 1: we'll have some doors open up. And if not, you know,

2324
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:41,560
Speaker 1: we can still scrape it together and make it work.

2325
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:45,720
Speaker 1: And well, yeah, we're scrappy. Yeah, that's a that's a

2326
02:08:45,920 --> 02:08:47,920
Speaker 1: that goes you know, I gotta gotta be scrappy to

2327
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:50,680
Speaker 1: kill deer, that's right. Yeah, you guys got Michigan elbow

2328
02:08:50,760 --> 02:09:00,880
Speaker 1: grease all we're done in Texas. Yeah up, well guys,

2329
02:09:00,920 --> 02:09:02,600
Speaker 1: we're running out of tanks. We gotta do the trivia

2330
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:04,960
Speaker 1: show Man. We'll tell people what you got coming because

2331
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:06,920
Speaker 1: now you now you're you got some stuff that's gonna

2332
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:09,080
Speaker 1: come out on Meat Eator's channels. You got some stuff

2333
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:11,280
Speaker 1: that's coming on in your own channels. Yeah, I appreciate that.

2334
02:09:11,400 --> 02:09:15,000
Speaker 1: So um we uh, at the end of the year one,

2335
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:18,480
Speaker 1: I shot a deal on public ground in Oklahoma, and uh,

2336
02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:21,360
Speaker 1: well to back it up, there was a nickname being

2337
02:09:21,400 --> 02:09:23,760
Speaker 1: thrown around that year of the buck truck, the truck

2338
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:26,680
Speaker 1: I was in. You could chuck joking around. It seemed

2339
02:09:26,680 --> 02:09:28,600
Speaker 1: to be that there were bucks around when that truck

2340
02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:31,879
Speaker 1: would show up, you know, his truck. He got COVID

2341
02:09:32,120 --> 02:09:35,000
Speaker 1: in South Dakota in a tent, you know, and so

2342
02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:38,440
Speaker 1: with a bunch of other guys. Well, we also have

2343
02:09:38,520 --> 02:09:41,440
Speaker 1: another guy on the team that uh, he's not a

2344
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:43,600
Speaker 1: morning person, so he doesn't get up and hunt in

2345
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:46,080
Speaker 1: the morning. Sometimes. Well, they were buddies, you know, riding

2346
02:09:46,080 --> 02:09:48,000
Speaker 1: around the truck in the mornings because he you know,

2347
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:50,440
Speaker 1: he was hacking all night. Just felt terrible. So they

2348
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:53,440
Speaker 1: get up, you know about sun sunrise, and go sea

2349
02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:55,560
Speaker 1: bucks out of the truck. So they started bragging on

2350
02:09:55,640 --> 02:09:59,400
Speaker 1: themselves about how they were the buck truck truck and

2351
02:09:59,480 --> 02:10:04,440
Speaker 1: all the kid we're in the woods plays music, yeah,

2352
02:10:04,640 --> 02:10:08,680
Speaker 1: actually ground calls come out of Yeah. But then uh,

2353
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:10,720
Speaker 1: Tyler and I teamed up at the end of that

2354
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:13,960
Speaker 1: season in one and killed that deer on public ground

2355
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:16,880
Speaker 1: in texts, I mean in Oklahoma, and uh, the buck

2356
02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:19,080
Speaker 1: truck like really was cemented. Then was like, hey, this

2357
02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:21,760
Speaker 1: is a thing. So we decided to maybe put a

2358
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:23,840
Speaker 1: little effort into it and have a little bit more

2359
02:10:23,880 --> 02:10:26,480
Speaker 1: direction with that. So we're gonna have a series that

2360
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:29,400
Speaker 1: comes out this May, I believe, called The Buck Truck,

2361
02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:32,720
Speaker 1: where it's just you know, two best friends traveling in

2362
02:10:32,760 --> 02:10:34,760
Speaker 1: the country hunting deer and you're just watching the buck

2363
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:39,960
Speaker 1: Truck and you guys like, could hear each other shooting? Yeah,

2364
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:47,600
Speaker 1: that's pretty sick. Yeah, it's funny when he realized some

2365
02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:53,440
Speaker 1: of that heard his buddy shooting arrow. That's some small parcelo. Man.

2366
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:55,920
Speaker 1: It was. We were in tight quarters of both shot

2367
02:10:55,960 --> 02:10:57,760
Speaker 1: and nice bucks. It was kind of kind of man,

2368
02:10:58,080 --> 02:11:00,440
Speaker 1: crazy things happen whenever you go out there and actually

2369
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:02,600
Speaker 1: put some effort into it. And so I always like

2370
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:06,320
Speaker 1: to say, man, it's great coverage. Yeah. Yeah, our guys

2371
02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:08,440
Speaker 1: did a killer job. That was the first. That was

2372
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:11,120
Speaker 1: the first one of those episodes that we did too,

2373
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:14,320
Speaker 1: so the camera work gets better throughout. We did. We

2374
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:17,280
Speaker 1: had really good deer footage. We did seven episodes. It's

2375
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:18,880
Speaker 1: not like, oh, if you look real carefully, you kind

2376
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:22,440
Speaker 1: of see you deer. It's like good, Yeah, they kill

2377
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:27,920
Speaker 1: it they eyelashes never, that's right. So uh yeah. I

2378
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:29,640
Speaker 1: always like to say you've got to give amazing a

2379
02:11:29,720 --> 02:11:31,760
Speaker 1: chance to happen. And that's kind of what we did

2380
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:34,720
Speaker 1: that not you know, two guys set up eight yards

2381
02:11:34,760 --> 02:11:37,400
Speaker 1: from each other, kind of on a I don't know,

2382
02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:40,320
Speaker 1: tough hunt. It's kind of hot, you know, late September smoke,

2383
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:45,600
Speaker 1: couple deer, you know, eight pizza back country bag them out.

2384
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:47,680
Speaker 1: When you have a bunch of camera guys, you tell

2385
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:48,920
Speaker 1: the one of them to bring a pizza a mile

2386
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:52,200
Speaker 1: back into the woods, you know, eight them and didn't

2387
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:56,040
Speaker 1: work on your deer. Nothing like a three thirty uh a,

2388
02:11:56,360 --> 02:11:58,600
Speaker 1: m you know, bead roll. That was good. You know

2389
02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:03,280
Speaker 1: those those nights are sure you appreciate them. It's memories. Yeah, yeah,

2390
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:07,040
Speaker 1: you got some with Claylor recently. Yeah, that's on that series. Yeah,

2391
02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:10,400
Speaker 1: so that'll that'll release in May as well. Thinking, Yeah,

2392
02:12:10,680 --> 02:12:12,760
Speaker 1: it's we're in Arkansas. They're a bunch of boating around.

2393
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:22,280
Speaker 1: It's cool, not swearing exactly. A bunch of America's last

2394
02:12:22,360 --> 02:12:26,280
Speaker 1: three non swear to throw Spanish at Clay because he

2395
02:12:26,520 --> 02:12:31,040
Speaker 1: tries to play along with it, you know a little bit. Yeah,

2396
02:12:31,080 --> 02:12:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm from South yeah, so's I love Yeah, good dude.

2397
02:12:37,320 --> 02:12:41,480
Speaker 1: Al Right, guys, so everybody check them out at just

2398
02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:44,600
Speaker 1: type in the Element, yeah yeah, type in media or

2399
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:46,720
Speaker 1: the Element. Type in the Element. You'll find him. You guys,

2400
02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:48,880
Speaker 1: you give all your social media handles too, So see

2401
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:51,320
Speaker 1: Element Wild a lot of times where you'll see to

2402
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:54,160
Speaker 1: the Element podcast depending, um that's gonna be where you

2403
02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:56,480
Speaker 1: find us at on you know, a hard Apple all

2404
02:12:56,480 --> 02:12:59,360
Speaker 1: that to podcast exactly and then the YouTube channels called

2405
02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:01,720
Speaker 1: the Element and the Element podcast gets pretty heavy into

2406
02:13:01,720 --> 02:13:04,720
Speaker 1: white tails y. Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's still kind

2407
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:06,480
Speaker 1: of has that Element vibe of like, you know, the

2408
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:08,840
Speaker 1: seasonal thing or whatever. We actually just did a pretty

2409
02:13:09,160 --> 02:13:12,200
Speaker 1: pretty cool podcast about access hunting in Texas because it's

2410
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:14,280
Speaker 1: uh kind of did it a little bit of deep

2411
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:16,120
Speaker 1: dive into you know the history of that and that

2412
02:13:16,200 --> 02:13:17,600
Speaker 1: sort of thing. So you know it'll be a little

2413
02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:19,920
Speaker 1: bit seasonal, but always some white tail stuff for sure.

2414
02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:23,480
Speaker 1: And uh, the meat eater dot Com you find all

2415
02:13:23,600 --> 02:13:28,839
Speaker 1: Jordan's Stiller's writing, the gun battles, beaver battles, beaver battles,

2416
02:13:29,240 --> 02:13:32,600
Speaker 1: color battles, and if you're looking at something that looks

2417
02:13:32,640 --> 02:13:37,560
Speaker 1: like someone designed, it's probably hunter spencer. Yeah. Yeah, and

2418
02:13:37,640 --> 02:13:39,440
Speaker 1: the shirt will be out, the milk and shirt. Yeah.

2419
02:13:42,440 --> 02:13:45,000
Speaker 1: Can we auto with Born for a time and can

2420
02:13:45,080 --> 02:13:49,000
Speaker 1: you just like maybe give give us a little spiel?

2421
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:50,880
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. I would love to do that.

2422
02:13:51,120 --> 02:13:55,400
Speaker 1: Um I, so this is The Food Fighters are my

2423
02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:59,440
Speaker 1: favorite band. Um, sorry I mnna interrupt you. I listened

2424
02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:01,240
Speaker 1: to your track a couple of days ago and Cran

2425
02:14:01,320 --> 02:14:02,400
Speaker 1: sent it to me and I was like, this sounds

2426
02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:04,960
Speaker 1: like the Food Fighters. Well, thank you, Yeah, that's what

2427
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:09,040
Speaker 1: I was aiming. Oh, thank you. I Uh, I just

2428
02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:14,440
Speaker 1: feel old and washed really, but uh, basically, when their drummer,

2429
02:14:14,480 --> 02:14:18,480
Speaker 1: Taylor Hawkins died recently, um, I kind of I don't know,

2430
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:21,080
Speaker 1: it's a very weird. It's very weird way that I

2431
02:14:21,160 --> 02:14:22,960
Speaker 1: wrote this song. I feel like it's not like a

2432
02:14:23,320 --> 02:14:26,680
Speaker 1: very typical and sometimes I think what gets me into

2433
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:31,320
Speaker 1: trouble is that like creativity. I want this creativity and

2434
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:35,480
Speaker 1: it's not super digestible by most people. And so but

2435
02:14:35,680 --> 02:14:37,400
Speaker 1: I don't care anymore because I'm not trying to make

2436
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:40,000
Speaker 1: money off of music, you know, and so um I

2437
02:14:40,120 --> 02:14:44,080
Speaker 1: wrote this song basically it's almost like uh, my perceived

2438
02:14:44,120 --> 02:14:46,680
Speaker 1: relationship of Dave and Taylor, who are like best friends

2439
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:50,560
Speaker 1: in the band together, and but I'm like speaking towards

2440
02:14:50,720 --> 02:14:54,680
Speaker 1: Dave as like, hey, this is a terrible thing that happened,

2441
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:58,640
Speaker 1: but you also have like a big platform and an

2442
02:14:58,640 --> 02:15:01,240
Speaker 1: opportunity to say something to the world here, you know,

2443
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:07,200
Speaker 1: like and basically taking esther four fourteen saying like you

2444
02:15:07,240 --> 02:15:09,600
Speaker 1: were born for a time to do something very powerful,

2445
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:12,760
Speaker 1: and maybe this is that time. So that's why I

2446
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:16,080
Speaker 1: wrote a song. Is the hook line is maybe you're

2447
02:15:16,120 --> 02:15:18,640
Speaker 1: born for a time such as this. Oh it's great, man.

2448
02:15:19,120 --> 02:15:20,760
Speaker 1: I listened to the tune. I liked it. Thanks, man.

2449
02:15:22,280 --> 02:15:25,680
Speaker 1: I was surprised where I don't look like very good

2450
02:15:25,680 --> 02:15:29,920
Speaker 1: at things do I no, no, no, I don't mean

2451
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:33,160
Speaker 1: surprised by it being good. I just I was surprised

2452
02:15:33,200 --> 02:15:36,560
Speaker 1: by um because it didn't sound like country. Yeah. I

2453
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:40,400
Speaker 1: was expecting more, you know, I thought it would be

2454
02:15:40,520 --> 02:15:44,160
Speaker 1: more what what most people would identify to be more

2455
02:15:44,360 --> 02:15:49,400
Speaker 1: like leaning in the country genre. We definitely have UM

2456
02:15:50,680 --> 02:15:53,960
Speaker 1: the sense we have stopped like touring and pursuing a

2457
02:15:54,120 --> 02:15:56,320
Speaker 1: career in music. We've basically just don't what we wanted

2458
02:15:56,360 --> 02:15:59,600
Speaker 1: to do and stopped worrying about like what people would like.

2459
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:03,920
Speaker 1: So it's way more fun. Just make make tunes you

2460
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:07,280
Speaker 1: like and don't worry about what bucket it's in. Yeah, alright,

2461
02:16:07,320 --> 02:16:08,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna kick off. We're gonna end off with it.

2462
02:16:09,120 --> 02:16:11,800
Speaker 1: Thanks man. So find these boys at the Element, Element

2463
02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:15,080
Speaker 1: Wild on social Yeah, that's it. I'll track it down

2464
02:16:15,160 --> 02:16:20,200
Speaker 1: and the Element podcast anywhere podcasts are found, stay tuned.

2465
02:16:20,240 --> 02:16:23,960
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. Trivia, oh one nice question. Do you think

2466
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:26,320
Speaker 1: you'll win or not? I'm fired up. He's got a

2467
02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:28,600
Speaker 1: good shot. You're gonna win. I like trivia. You want

2468
02:16:28,600 --> 02:16:31,800
Speaker 1: to do a side bet? Yeah, I don't know. I'll

2469
02:16:31,800 --> 02:16:34,400
Speaker 1: pay for it. Can we do something non monetary? You

2470
02:16:34,440 --> 02:16:36,040
Speaker 1: don't want to do a five dollar side? But I

2471
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:41,840
Speaker 1: mean that's that's almost not worth it. We'll talk about Yeah,

2472
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:44,160
Speaker 1: we're visiting with like. I like the I like it

2473
02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:45,800
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more meaty when it comes

2474
02:16:45,879 --> 02:16:47,960
Speaker 1: to you want something like that. I really like and

2475
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:50,720
Speaker 1: don't want to give up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll talk

2476
02:16:50,720 --> 02:17:15,440
Speaker 1: about it. Thanks guys. You were born for this a

2477
02:17:15,720 --> 02:17:24,720
Speaker 1: time in a place it seems like mess. I want

2478
02:17:25,080 --> 02:17:38,400
Speaker 1: to des appair hurt so bad. Don't want these but

2479
02:17:38,840 --> 02:18:07,400
Speaker 1: streams long build over night, hed up your eyes is

2480
02:18:07,800 --> 02:18:21,920
Speaker 1: energy gave you lie he roll in this sky. You

2481
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:58,520
Speaker 1: question why a second time? Wookay soside if you as

2482
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:11,720
Speaker 1: your best friend again, maybe you were more born times

2483
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:36,520
Speaker 1: such as theirs. You all that you live, your whisper,

2484
02:19:41,959 --> 02:19:49,600
Speaker 1: you can feel in. Maybe we're born born time suggest

2485
02:19:50,040 --> 02:21:34,440
Speaker 1: thes do you all, lady? Love them because you're best

2486
02:21:34,520 --> 02:21:52,840
Speaker 1: friend you can get. Maybe are more time, maybe more

2487
02:21:53,680 --> 02:21:55,760
Speaker 1: times such as they