WEBVTT - Hour 2- Dan Beyer & Aaron Torres Guest Hosting 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:04.080 Hey, thanks for listening to the Cadino and rich Podcast. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.320 Be sure to catch us live every weekday from five 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.200 to seven Eastern to the four. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:09.760 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:12.400 Find your local station for Comedo on Rich at Foxsports 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:14.840 Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.560 the iHeartRadio app like searching FSR. 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.480 What's the saying Eron Torres? Can't we just let sleeping 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:26.640 dogs lie? Is that the that the phrase? I believe 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:30.440 that the old adage of what is done is done, 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.199 let it be and move on. That is not happening 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.920 with the dynasty that is the New England Patriots. Welcome in. 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.199 It is a Wednesday. You've made it through half of 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.599 the week. You got a few more days to go, 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.920 but you're on the backside of it. So congratulations. Not 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.199 only is Aeron Torres here with me, so is Jason Stewart, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:55.160 Ryan Smith and Moncy Belanos. In about twenty three minutes 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.000 or so, ultimate fail in one of our favorite game shows. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.520 We're gonna bring it to you and break it down 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.479 like only Cavino and Rich Wood. That's all coming up 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:08.000 on a Wednesday here on Fox Sports Radio. As Robert 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:13.280 Craft and Bill Belichick are at it again. Not only 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.840 are the two sides apparently on opposite sides. The last 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.880 time Aaron that I remember these two really going at 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:25.199 it was privately over one Tom Brady and Jimmy Garoppolo 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.920 and who the sides wanted to keep, and ultimately Robert 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.800 Craft says, we're keeping Tom Brady, So Jimmy Garoppolo, you're 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.040 going to be sent to the San Francisco forty nine ers. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.399 There was no era A parents at that time for 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.839 New England. So Robert Craft wins that one. Bill Belichick 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.480 ends up leaving as the Patriots coach. We now know 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.160 he's the head coach at North Carolina. But these two 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:52.040 apparently have a different sort of view in their history 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.000 of how things went down with the Patriots and really 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.240 how things started with the New England Patriots. 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.800 It is the story that just will not die. And 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.720 I know this is going to be a theme over 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.480 the next fifteen twenty minutes as we discussed this conversation. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.120 But I will say this is that the thing that 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.720 I I guess annoying is the right way I find 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.320 this story to be a little bit boring and annoying. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:19.880 Not that I don't think we should be talking about it. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:21.520 I'm the one that kind of mentioned it to you 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:27.120 this morning. But the thing about the Patriots dynasty is 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:31.760 it's over. Brady's gone, Belichick's gone, Gronk's gone, Edelman's gone, 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.680 Bruski's gone, Rightbell was gone. I guess he's technically back. 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.840 The only person that is still there from the glory 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.800 days is Robert Kraft. But that era of Patriots football 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:47.960 is over. And so no matter whose side you're on, Belichick, 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.920 Brady Craft, Belichick had nothing to do with it. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:52.200 Belichick was the whole thing. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.280 Your opinion isn't going to change because there is no 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:57.120 new info. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.560 But we got two old guys. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.080 Have you ever seen that video of the two like 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.079 CFL football players that haven't seen each other in years 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.680 and they start fighting in the retirement home and they're 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.520 like swinging their canes at each other. 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:11.080 That's what this is. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:16.960 There's nothing that can change anyone's opinion on what happened 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.679 with the Patriots, no matter how many times Robert Kraft 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.320 talks about it, no matter how many times Bill Belichick responds. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.040 And that's the fascinating part to me is that on 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:31.240 July sixteenth of twenty twenty five, what is this now? 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:36.880 Five full years after Tom Brady left New England, Belichick 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.920 released a statement in mid July to talk about it. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.280 It's just it's wild to me that these two guys 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.280 care so much about this thing all these years later. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.920 Well that's because Robert Kraft was on the Dudes on 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:54.800 Dudes podcast hosted by Gronk and Julian Edelman, and said, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.440 this is and this is Craft's revision is history. I'll 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.320 give you a setup of how Bellich ended up responding. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.600 But what Kraft said was that in nineteen ninety nine, 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.160 when he hired Bill Belichick, he was the one that 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.600 took the biggest risk. He's, oh, we have the audio 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.920 from it. Let's hear it. Let's yeah, better than me, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:16.520 let's hear from Robert Craft. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:21.080 I think getting Bill Belichick to come to the Patriots 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.520 in nineteen ninety nine it was a big risk, and 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.960 I got hammered in the Boston media. But I think 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.040 he was with us for twenty four years and we 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:34.840 did Okay. 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:42.479 So Robert Kraft explaining his reasoning on how he was 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.760 the risk taker that started the Patriots dynasty. There is 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.880 no debating that the Patriots took a different turn with 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.600 Robert Kraft as their owner. But what an interesting sort 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.080 of I don't know, domino effect, because when Tom Brady, 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:03.120 Bill Belichick, and Robert Craft were together, they were winning 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.640 Super Bowls, they were playing in Super Bowls. They were 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:10.159 a perennial contender year in and year out, and the 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.240 best dynasty dynasty that we've seen in National Football League history. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.800 So then Brady leaves and guess what, the Patriots are 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:23.560 kind of mid before ultimately just falling flat. Then Belichick 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.800 leaves and they've still been after another year with Jod 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.920 Mayo as their head coach, completely flat. So now you've 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:36.719 subtracted Belichick and the team took a downward spiral, and 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.160 so now Robert Craft is the only one there. This 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.960 is where I think Robert Kraft is. We'll get to 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.000 Belichick's part. This is why I think Robert Craft is 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.360 saying this number one, because he's the only one left. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:48.760 And so you think to yourself, well, then, okay, well 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.400 Robert Craft had nothing to do with this. This is 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.400 all Brady and Belichick. I also think Robert Craft wants 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.080 to go into the Hall of Fame. Sure, and at 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.800 some point he's been up for consideration as well. We've 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.479 seen owners in there, and he probably wants to go 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.560 in as morbid as this sounds, before he dies, well, 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.680 wants that honor. So now, if no one's gonna toot 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.840 your horn and tell you what you've done, why don't 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:10.159 you do it? 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:11.440 If you're Robert Craft. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.520 That's an important point because you know, the one guy 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.080 that gets, at least in my opinion, maybe you disagree 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.359 that gets. It's a question of Belichick, Brady, Brady Belichick, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.039 And depending on what point we had this conversation in 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.400 the last twenty years, there's a different percentage for different guys. 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.240 Right at certain points it was more Belichick, then it 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.200 was more Brady than it was more Belichick than Brady 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.280 leaves he wins the Super Bowl. Now I think most 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.520 people would agree that it was more Belichick than Brady, 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.839 or more Brady than Belichick. The guy that never gets 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:44.120 talked about is Robert Craft. And you know, he was 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.840 the only one there besides those two for all of 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:51.400 that entire era. And I do think he deserves some credit, 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:52.760 you know, kind of stayed out of the way. He 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.800 probably deserves actually a lot of credit because he wasn't 0:06:55.839 --> 0:07:00.200 a helicopter owner, he wasn't, you know, Matt Ishbia or 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.240 somebody demanding to be involved or wanting to be involved 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.479 or being overly involved. You let the football people do 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.760 the football stuff. You let the players play. But that's 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.880 probably part of it too, is like he's probably like, hey, 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.360 it wasn't just these two guys. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:13.960 I was. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.160 I have been involved from day one as well. So 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.840 maybe that's why he wants to be involved, or he's 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:19.680 tooting his own home. 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:24.800 I'm sure he feels left out, yes, but Belichick, especially 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.520 when the Apple TV documentary came out, felt that he 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.560 was completely thrown under the bus by it. So Belichick 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.000 couldn't say much to reporters throughout his career. Now is 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.360 feeling like he has to defend his honor in response 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.480 to what you just heard from from Robert Kraft. The 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.200 funny thing is is on the craft side of things, 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.520 like I truly don't know. And I was thinking back 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.640 in time trying to think of different ownership groups that 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:57.240 I felt were instrumental in them winning championships, and I 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.480 can only think of the one that I thought was 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:05.000 doctor Jerry Buss. Yes, fair in relation to to what 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:09.280 the what the Lakers were, but it's also of doctor 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.520 Jerry Buss providing an atmosphere and doing so in a 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.880 spot to get the best players, to always get the 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:21.040 superstar and then bring in other big names around him. Now, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.520 I don't remember anything in off hand in the National 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.360 Football League Jerry Jones. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.160 We known say it's the exact opposite with Jerry Jones 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:31.520 doesn't feel like he got enough credit. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:36.320 I think that the Steelers dynasty is wasn't wasn't Rooney based, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.880 even though it's always been Rooney ownership, Like there's it's 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.400 it's a legacy, it's within the family, but we just 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:48.079 rarely have owners getting credit for their championships and their titles. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.120 And for some reason, Robert Kraft wants that recognition. 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:52.920 Yeah. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.240 No, And and that is an interesting point of you know, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.040 I'm just trying to think, you're off the top of 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:00.640 my head, you know, the other one, the Hunt family. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.680 It's not like the Hunt people were like, well, you know, 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.439 you know, as good as good as Mahomes is, you know, 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.080 who doesn't get enough credit for Clark Hunt. So I 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:14.400 do think it's interesting by the way, Anthi Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Yeah, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.720 I know, they didn't really knew anything for thirty years 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.040 before Reid got there. But don't forget about Clark Hunt. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.600 Let me let me tell you about him. No, what 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.720 was I gonna say? But then the Belichick response as well, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:27.800 I don't know if we want to get into that elementary. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:28.320 Let's do it. Let's do it. 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.120 So this was in a statement that Belichick responded to 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:36.600 ESPN when asked about it, Belichick says that he was 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.280 the one that basically took the big risk. Here's the statement. Quote, 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.040 as they told Robert multiple times through the years, I 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.360 took a big risk by taking the New England Patriots 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.440 head coaching job. I already had an opportunity to be 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.280 the head coach of the New York Jets, but the 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.559 ownership situation was unstable. I had been warned by multiple 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.160 previous Patriots coaches, as well as other members of the 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.640 media and NFL or organizations, that the New England job 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.439 was going to come with many internal obstacles. I made 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.120 it clear that we would have to change the way 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.760 the team was managed to regain the previously attained success. 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:15.360 That part of the statement that Bill Belichick made about 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:16.840 taking the job in New England. 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.680 Can I say something that's the least controversial thing ever, 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:24.360 is that they both took risks, and they are both 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:29.160 partly responsible I wouldn't say equally responsible in the success 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.880 of that dynasty. They did take risks, because what's the 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.880 argument about Belichick? What has he won without Brady? I know, 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.560 he made the playoffs with the Cleveland Browns, but wasn't 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.600 the greatest coach that ever lived until he had Tom Brady. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.080 But he's also right and that he had another job 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.400 with the New York Jets and actively chose to not 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:51.640 take that job to come to. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:53.600 Be the new England Patriots head coach. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:58.680 So it's just, you know, I guess the thing I 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.120 think it is interesting, how so I think both these guys, 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.839 to your point, not only Robert Kraft, you know, being 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.160 at the end of his life wanting to get into 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.040 the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but obviously Belichick, you know, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.120 in his what we assume final chapter at North Carolina 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.480 kind of wanting to rewrite his history as well. I 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.920 guess just the thing that I do keep coming back 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:21.400 to is I just don't know that no matter what 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.440 either of them says, it's going to change anyone's opinion. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.920 If you believe Brady was ninety five percent of the reason. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.520 There's nothing Belichick's gonna say, nothing, Kraft is gonna say 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.800 If you think it's more fifty to fifty, that's fine. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.000 But I just I don't think there's anything that's gonna 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:37.439 change anyone's opinion at this way. 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.959 I have loved Bill Belichick talking about football. Yeah, I 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.120 felt that when he did the NFL one hundred thing 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.040 where I think he was nominated for an Emmy at 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.120 that point, it was really really good. And I think 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.040 that Bill Belichick loves to talk about football, and Bill 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.800 Belichick can be a funny guy. Didn't he wear a 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.439 Navy outfit like on at the Army Navy game when 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.000 it was played at Foxborough? I think, or something where 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:04.000 he dressed up in his old Navy gear too. Like 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.960 there is a part of Belichick that is the guy 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.240 that we don't know in the press that we saw 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.400 for so many years. So there is a different sort 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:16.400 of guy. I think lately with his relationship with Jordan Hudson, 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.560 it's really altered people's thinking of who Belichick is. But 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.280 I feel at heart Belichick is actually someone who just 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.680 loves football and is kind of a funny guy. You 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.480 just don't realize it. I think we all have those 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.360 people in your lives. You're like, you know what, that 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:33.359 person is very funny, very witty. We know that Belichick 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.439 knows everything that there is about football, but you don't 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.199 know that that personality. And I think that's there with Belichick. 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.880 But again, like I said with the Apple TV thing, 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:43.920 like I said with the argument of Brady, and it 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.240 sure didn't help Belichick's argument. When Brady goes and wins 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.400 the Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, no one's taking up 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.760 for Bill Belichick. No one is going to bat for 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.520 Bill Belichick, not even the guy that hired him in 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.480 the late nineteen nineties. And now that guy is saying 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.920 that he's the one that took the risk. The only 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.680 reason that Bill Belichick ended up being on Robert Kraft's 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.199 I guess short list in bringing him in was because 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.240 of his experience it had with Bill Parcells when they 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.200 were together or going to a Super Bowl in the 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.160 mid nineteen nineties. So that's where I think it's unfair 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.160 to Belichick to say. And Belichick did leave the Jets 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.480 and how the Jets situation went down with Bill Parcells, 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.080 that was all kind of a mess that Belichick was 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.199 caught up in as well. But I just this revisionist 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.840 history of looking back at who took the risk and 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.040 who did this and who did that, It just it 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.360 falls on a lot of deaf ears. That's why you think. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.240 I think that you're saying this is kind of a 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.560 non story as well, because the Patriot's dynasty is what 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.240 it is, and I don't know how many people care 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.240 who takes credit for getting the things start at, whether 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:46.640 it be Craft or Bill Belichick. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:51.320 Yeah, this is a story that is very clearly, deeply 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.600 personal to these two individuals. 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.120 Is it a story to anybody? 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.440 I mean, listen the Brady versus Bell check angle to 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.920 it will be a sports talk debate that withstands the 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:12.920 test of time, right, But this idea that Craft either 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.319 didn't get enough credit or we're trying to diminish Belichick, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.760 it just feels extremely personal. It's why during the Tom 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:24.160 Brady roast, everything flew up until it was time for 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.120 Robert Craft and Bill Belichick to take a shot together. 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.040 Think about all the things that they said about Tom 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.680 Brady during that Tom Brady roast, including about his now 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.920 ex wife, None of it seemed to none of it 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.560 seemed to cross a line, and the only time that 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.480 it got weird was when Belichick and Craft were asked 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.400 to take a shot together. I'm just picturing it in 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.480 my head right now as we speak, and so I 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.800 just think that it is something that is very clearly, 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:51.640 deeply personal to both of them. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.280 They do not like each other. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.440 I just think that while it's very interesting to them, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.520 it's two big names, it's one of the great runs 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.960 in the history of sports that we've seen. I just 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.160 don't know why we as consumers are supposed to care, 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:09.200 because again, there's no new chapters to It'd be like 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:13.000 me and you today, this would be like it'd be 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:17.920 like Peyton Manning releasing a statement on why he doesn't 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.040 get enough credit for his role in the Manning versus Brady. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:23.920 Rivalry. 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.280 You'd be like, who cares, It's over, It's been over, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.280 and it's just I don't know. I just I understand 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.200 why both guys are passionate about protecting their legacy. I 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.840 just don't know why it was a lead story on 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.080 ESPN today because I don't know why we as consumers 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.440 are supposed to care, And I certainly don't think there's 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.120 anything new to the story that should drag us back in. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.480 I think Belichick's speaking and saying what he's saying, especially 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.200 after the sixty minutes debacle of what he's allowed to say, 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.280 is interesting. I also, honestly just think it's really crappy 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:00.280 of Robert Kraft to say something about Bill Belichick. What 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.960 was more in the podcast was he said, I gave 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.880 up a number one draft pick for a coach that 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.440 had only won a little over forty percent of his 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:14.200 games to get him out. It's a really crappy thing 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.560 to do to say, especially because I think we all 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.280 look back at the forty percent. We look at Bill 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:25.880 Belichick's tenure in Cleveland as one of great success because 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.840 he had the Browns as a playoff team and because 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:34.040 the team ended up being then sold and or excuse me, 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:38.600 moving should say like the tenure ended abruptly, but you 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.000 can't say that he didn't have success there. So for 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:46.280 him to go and use that against Bill Belichick again 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.360 after knowing everything about him from their time together in 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.800 New England, I just think it's a really crappy thing 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.840 for Robert Kraft to do. And what makes it worse 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.240 is that it sure seems that Robert Craft is trying 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.600 to say that's stuff to prop himself up, So Belichick 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.720 has nothing else but to do but to actually defend 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.480 his name, because it sure doesn't seem like anybody is 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.040 rushing to his defense, especially and this would tick me 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.840 off as well if groc or Edelman aren't calling Craft 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.919 out in terms of what he said. So now you 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.120 have former players who are like it or not inadvertently 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:23.840 brought into the mix, and all of a sudden they 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.119 look like they side with Robert Kraft. So if you're 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.360 Bill Belichick, like him or not, like it's a crappy 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.159 spot to be him. And if nobody else is going 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:32.920 to defend him, hemauls to defend himself. 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:34.280 Yeah, that's interesting. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:40.159 I'm debating if I feel any different about Gronk and Edelman. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:41.880 I mean, you know, they're not journalists. 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.760 I think they're innocent like bystanders, but they get drawn 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.840 into it because they Craft said it on their podcast 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.320 and they didn't necessarily go up and at least I 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.880 don't hear anyway request. 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:53.840 To it, and I'm not. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:00.919 I understand why Belichick would be mad, but it doesn't 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.720 make any of us think any different about Belichick right, Like, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:08.520 it's no different than when you know, Lebron does his 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.200 podcast with Kadi and they're making fun of Jordan taking 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.199 time off to play baseball. It's like, doesn't make me. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.600 They're allowed to have their opinions. It doesn't make me 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.840 feel different about Jordan though, and it again, that was 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.800 something that was kind of crappy to say about Jordan, 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.199 But doesn't make me me as a consumer, feel different. 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.600 You know, we just talked about Wyndham Clark a little 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:33.159 while ago, and in what Wyndham Clark was doing at 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.280 the Oakmont locker room, Oakmond didn't have to release a 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.520 statement as this said. The US opening comes around in 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.960 twenty thirty three is going far down the line. But 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.240 they decided to take a stand because they felt that 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.080 there was a wrong. That's kind of why I think Belichick. 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.320 Belichick could have just let it go off to the 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.920 ether and been like whatever, but they decided to take 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.960 a stand, or he decided to take a stand to 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.560 defend his own honor into what he did. And I 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.159 just think that the four forty percent, you know, the 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:07.240 forty percent win, you know, the Yeah, it's just kind 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.280 of passing them. He's like but I think we did okay, 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.560 and it tries to soften it, but it doesn't like 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.320 I'd be ticked off too if I was Bill Belichick. 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:17.840 Yeah, you've kind of talked me into this a little bit, 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.240 because you know, we've I think, especially in our business, 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.320 we're certainly not as high profile as Bill Belichick, but 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.080 people say stuff about us all the time, and there's 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.240 sometimes that I think we all decide to just say 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:28.719 screw it. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.240 I don't need to respond. 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.520 To everything, but there are certain things that are said 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.760 by certain people that you're like, you know what, screw 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.840 that guy, screw that girl, whatever. I'm not letting that 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.679 person say anything without me getting my side of the 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:44.680 story out and letting you know how I really feel 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.119 about that person. So maybe I think you've actually talked 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.800 me into it a little bit of why. Maybe the 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:51.760 statement from Belichick made a little bit more sense. 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.159 He's erin Torres. I'm dan by our final thing. Do 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.880 you think Bill Belichick needs to prove anything at North Carolina? 0:19:58.400 --> 0:19:58.560 No. 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.560 And I'll be very quick on this, and it relates 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.560 to the Nick Sabin story from Greg McElroy earlier this week. 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.720 I don't think Sabin's coming back but I think Sabin 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.880 coming back would only hurt his legacy unless he leads 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.080 another school to a national championship. But I don't think 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.639 his legacy can get any higher. And I think Belichick's 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.199 almost the opposite. I don't think people really have crazy 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.920 high expectations for North Carolina. So like, if he goes 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.000 seven and five and six and six and in two years, 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.800 he's just like, I'm out. I don't think it changes 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.679 how we feel about Bill Belichick the head coach. I 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.879 do think it would change if he has a great 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.600 deal of success, We're like, oh, he actually was pretty good, 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.760 and to your point, it wasn't just a thing with Brady. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.440 And you know, he did lead the Browns to the playoffs, 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.480 and he did have this great twenty year run with 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.159 the Patriots, and he did lead Carolina to the n 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.560 eleven in one season. Remember when that happened. So I 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.840 actually think it's the opposite. I think a good season 0:20:56.040 --> 0:21:00.000