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Speaker 3: What's the saying Eron Torres? Can't we just let sleeping
Speaker 3: dogs lie? Is that the that the phrase? I believe
Speaker 3: that the old adage of what is done is done,
Speaker 3: let it be and move on. That is not happening
Speaker 3: with the dynasty that is the New England Patriots. Welcome in.
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Speaker 3: on a Wednesday here on Fox Sports Radio. As Robert
Speaker 3: Craft and Bill Belichick are at it again. Not only
Speaker 3: are the two sides apparently on opposite sides. The last
Speaker 3: time Aaron that I remember these two really going at
Speaker 3: it was privately over one Tom Brady and Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 3: and who the sides wanted to keep, and ultimately Robert
Speaker 3: Craft says, we're keeping Tom Brady, So Jimmy Garoppolo, you're
Speaker 3: going to be sent to the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: There was no era A parents at that time for
Speaker 3: New England. So Robert Craft wins that one. Bill Belichick
Speaker 3: ends up leaving as the Patriots coach. We now know
Speaker 3: he's the head coach at North Carolina. But these two
Speaker 3: apparently have a different sort of view in their history
Speaker 3: of how things went down with the Patriots and really
Speaker 3: how things started with the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2: It is the story that just will not die. And
Speaker 2: I know this is going to be a theme over
Speaker 2: the next fifteen twenty minutes as we discussed this conversation.
Speaker 2: But I will say this is that the thing that
Speaker 2: I I guess annoying is the right way I find
Speaker 2: this story to be a little bit boring and annoying.
Speaker 2: Not that I don't think we should be talking about it.
Speaker 2: I'm the one that kind of mentioned it to you
Speaker 2: this morning. But the thing about the Patriots dynasty is
Speaker 2: it's over. Brady's gone, Belichick's gone, Gronk's gone, Edelman's gone,
Speaker 2: Bruski's gone, Rightbell was gone. I guess he's technically back.
Speaker 2: The only person that is still there from the glory
Speaker 2: days is Robert Kraft. But that era of Patriots football
Speaker 2: is over. And so no matter whose side you're on, Belichick,
Speaker 2: Brady Craft, Belichick had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: Belichick was the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Your opinion isn't going to change because there is no
Speaker 2: new info.
Speaker 1: But we got two old guys.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that video of the two like
Speaker 2: CFL football players that haven't seen each other in years
Speaker 2: and they start fighting in the retirement home and they're
Speaker 2: like swinging their canes at each other.
Speaker 1: That's what this is.
Speaker 2: There's nothing that can change anyone's opinion on what happened
Speaker 2: with the Patriots, no matter how many times Robert Kraft
Speaker 2: talks about it, no matter how many times Bill Belichick responds.
Speaker 2: And that's the fascinating part to me is that on
Speaker 2: July sixteenth of twenty twenty five, what is this now?
Speaker 2: Five full years after Tom Brady left New England, Belichick
Speaker 2: released a statement in mid July to talk about it.
Speaker 2: It's just it's wild to me that these two guys
Speaker 2: care so much about this thing all these years later.
Speaker 3: Well that's because Robert Kraft was on the Dudes on
Speaker 3: Dudes podcast hosted by Gronk and Julian Edelman, and said,
Speaker 3: this is and this is Craft's revision is history. I'll
Speaker 3: give you a setup of how Bellich ended up responding.
Speaker 3: But what Kraft said was that in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 3: when he hired Bill Belichick, he was the one that
Speaker 3: took the biggest risk. He's, oh, we have the audio
Speaker 3: from it. Let's hear it. Let's yeah, better than me,
Speaker 3: let's hear from Robert Craft.
Speaker 4: I think getting Bill Belichick to come to the Patriots
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety nine it was a big risk, and
Speaker 4: I got hammered in the Boston media. But I think
Speaker 4: he was with us for twenty four years and we
Speaker 4: did Okay.
Speaker 3: So Robert Kraft explaining his reasoning on how he was
Speaker 3: the risk taker that started the Patriots dynasty. There is
Speaker 3: no debating that the Patriots took a different turn with
Speaker 3: Robert Kraft as their owner. But what an interesting sort
Speaker 3: of I don't know, domino effect, because when Tom Brady,
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, and Robert Craft were together, they were winning
Speaker 3: Super Bowls, they were playing in Super Bowls. They were
Speaker 3: a perennial contender year in and year out, and the
Speaker 3: best dynasty dynasty that we've seen in National Football League history.
Speaker 3: So then Brady leaves and guess what, the Patriots are
Speaker 3: kind of mid before ultimately just falling flat. Then Belichick
Speaker 3: leaves and they've still been after another year with Jod
Speaker 3: Mayo as their head coach, completely flat. So now you've
Speaker 3: subtracted Belichick and the team took a downward spiral, and
Speaker 3: so now Robert Craft is the only one there. This
Speaker 3: is where I think Robert Kraft is. We'll get to
Speaker 3: Belichick's part. This is why I think Robert Craft is
Speaker 3: saying this number one, because he's the only one left.
Speaker 3: And so you think to yourself, well, then, okay, well
Speaker 3: Robert Craft had nothing to do with this. This is
Speaker 3: all Brady and Belichick. I also think Robert Craft wants
Speaker 3: to go into the Hall of Fame. Sure, and at
Speaker 3: some point he's been up for consideration as well. We've
Speaker 3: seen owners in there, and he probably wants to go
Speaker 3: in as morbid as this sounds, before he dies, well,
Speaker 3: wants that honor. So now, if no one's gonna toot
Speaker 3: your horn and tell you what you've done, why don't
Speaker 3: you do it?
Speaker 1: If you're Robert Craft.
Speaker 2: That's an important point because you know, the one guy
Speaker 2: that gets, at least in my opinion, maybe you disagree
Speaker 2: that gets. It's a question of Belichick, Brady, Brady Belichick,
Speaker 2: And depending on what point we had this conversation in
Speaker 2: the last twenty years, there's a different percentage for different guys.
Speaker 2: Right at certain points it was more Belichick, then it
Speaker 2: was more Brady than it was more Belichick than Brady
Speaker 2: leaves he wins the Super Bowl. Now I think most
Speaker 2: people would agree that it was more Belichick than Brady,
Speaker 2: or more Brady than Belichick. The guy that never gets
Speaker 2: talked about is Robert Craft. And you know, he was
Speaker 2: the only one there besides those two for all of
Speaker 2: that entire era. And I do think he deserves some credit,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of stayed out of the way. He
Speaker 2: probably deserves actually a lot of credit because he wasn't
Speaker 2: a helicopter owner, he wasn't, you know, Matt Ishbia or
Speaker 2: somebody demanding to be involved or wanting to be involved
Speaker 2: or being overly involved. You let the football people do
Speaker 2: the football stuff. You let the players play. But that's
Speaker 2: probably part of it too, is like he's probably like, hey,
Speaker 2: it wasn't just these two guys.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I have been involved from day one as well. So
Speaker 2: maybe that's why he wants to be involved, or he's
Speaker 2: tooting his own home.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he feels left out, yes, but Belichick, especially
Speaker 3: when the Apple TV documentary came out, felt that he
Speaker 3: was completely thrown under the bus by it. So Belichick
Speaker 3: couldn't say much to reporters throughout his career. Now is
Speaker 3: feeling like he has to defend his honor in response
Speaker 3: to what you just heard from from Robert Kraft. The
Speaker 3: funny thing is is on the craft side of things,
Speaker 3: like I truly don't know. And I was thinking back
Speaker 3: in time trying to think of different ownership groups that
Speaker 3: I felt were instrumental in them winning championships, and I
Speaker 3: can only think of the one that I thought was
Speaker 3: doctor Jerry Buss. Yes, fair in relation to to what
Speaker 3: the what the Lakers were, but it's also of doctor
Speaker 3: Jerry Buss providing an atmosphere and doing so in a
Speaker 3: spot to get the best players, to always get the
Speaker 3: superstar and then bring in other big names around him. Now,
Speaker 3: I don't remember anything in off hand in the National
Speaker 3: Football League Jerry Jones.
Speaker 2: We known say it's the exact opposite with Jerry Jones
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like he got enough credit.
Speaker 3: I think that the Steelers dynasty is wasn't wasn't Rooney based,
Speaker 3: even though it's always been Rooney ownership, Like there's it's
Speaker 3: it's a legacy, it's within the family, but we just
Speaker 3: rarely have owners getting credit for their championships and their titles.
Speaker 3: And for some reason, Robert Kraft wants that recognition.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, And and that is an interesting point of you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think, you're off the top of
Speaker 2: my head, you know, the other one, the Hunt family.
Speaker 2: It's not like the Hunt people were like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, as good as good as Mahomes is, you know,
Speaker 2: who doesn't get enough credit for Clark Hunt. So I
Speaker 2: do think it's interesting by the way, Anthi Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, they didn't really knew anything for thirty years
Speaker 2: before Reid got there. But don't forget about Clark Hunt.
Speaker 2: Let me let me tell you about him. No, what
Speaker 2: was I gonna say? But then the Belichick response as well,
Speaker 2: I don't know if we want to get into that elementary.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 3: So this was in a statement that Belichick responded to
Speaker 3: ESPN when asked about it, Belichick says that he was
Speaker 3: the one that basically took the big risk. Here's the statement. Quote,
Speaker 3: as they told Robert multiple times through the years, I
Speaker 3: took a big risk by taking the New England Patriots
Speaker 3: head coaching job. I already had an opportunity to be
Speaker 3: the head coach of the New York Jets, but the
Speaker 3: ownership situation was unstable. I had been warned by multiple
Speaker 3: previous Patriots coaches, as well as other members of the
Speaker 3: media and NFL or organizations, that the New England job
Speaker 3: was going to come with many internal obstacles. I made
Speaker 3: it clear that we would have to change the way
Speaker 3: the team was managed to regain the previously attained success.
Speaker 3: That part of the statement that Bill Belichick made about
Speaker 3: taking the job in New England.
Speaker 2: Can I say something that's the least controversial thing ever,
Speaker 2: is that they both took risks, and they are both
Speaker 2: partly responsible I wouldn't say equally responsible in the success
Speaker 2: of that dynasty. They did take risks, because what's the
Speaker 2: argument about Belichick? What has he won without Brady? I know,
Speaker 2: he made the playoffs with the Cleveland Browns, but wasn't
Speaker 2: the greatest coach that ever lived until he had Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: But he's also right and that he had another job
Speaker 2: with the New York Jets and actively chose to not
Speaker 2: take that job to come to.
Speaker 1: Be the new England Patriots head coach.
Speaker 2: So it's just, you know, I guess the thing I
Speaker 2: think it is interesting, how so I think both these guys,
Speaker 2: to your point, not only Robert Kraft, you know, being
Speaker 2: at the end of his life wanting to get into
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but obviously Belichick, you know,
Speaker 2: in his what we assume final chapter at North Carolina
Speaker 2: kind of wanting to rewrite his history as well. I
Speaker 2: guess just the thing that I do keep coming back
Speaker 2: to is I just don't know that no matter what
Speaker 2: either of them says, it's going to change anyone's opinion.
Speaker 2: If you believe Brady was ninety five percent of the reason.
Speaker 2: There's nothing Belichick's gonna say, nothing, Kraft is gonna say
Speaker 2: If you think it's more fifty to fifty, that's fine.
Speaker 2: But I just I don't think there's anything that's gonna
Speaker 2: change anyone's opinion at this way.
Speaker 3: I have loved Bill Belichick talking about football. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: felt that when he did the NFL one hundred thing
Speaker 3: where I think he was nominated for an Emmy at
Speaker 3: that point, it was really really good. And I think
Speaker 3: that Bill Belichick loves to talk about football, and Bill
Speaker 3: Belichick can be a funny guy. Didn't he wear a
Speaker 3: Navy outfit like on at the Army Navy game when
Speaker 3: it was played at Foxborough? I think, or something where
Speaker 3: he dressed up in his old Navy gear too. Like
Speaker 3: there is a part of Belichick that is the guy
Speaker 3: that we don't know in the press that we saw
Speaker 3: for so many years. So there is a different sort
Speaker 3: of guy. I think lately with his relationship with Jordan Hudson,
Speaker 3: it's really altered people's thinking of who Belichick is. But
Speaker 3: I feel at heart Belichick is actually someone who just
Speaker 3: loves football and is kind of a funny guy. You
Speaker 3: just don't realize it. I think we all have those
Speaker 3: people in your lives. You're like, you know what, that
Speaker 3: person is very funny, very witty. We know that Belichick
Speaker 3: knows everything that there is about football, but you don't
Speaker 3: know that that personality. And I think that's there with Belichick.
Speaker 3: But again, like I said with the Apple TV thing,
Speaker 3: like I said with the argument of Brady, and it
Speaker 3: sure didn't help Belichick's argument. When Brady goes and wins
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, no one's taking up
Speaker 3: for Bill Belichick. No one is going to bat for
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, not even the guy that hired him in
Speaker 3: the late nineteen nineties. And now that guy is saying
Speaker 3: that he's the one that took the risk. The only
Speaker 3: reason that Bill Belichick ended up being on Robert Kraft's
Speaker 3: I guess short list in bringing him in was because
Speaker 3: of his experience it had with Bill Parcells when they
Speaker 3: were together or going to a Super Bowl in the
Speaker 3: mid nineteen nineties. So that's where I think it's unfair
Speaker 3: to Belichick to say. And Belichick did leave the Jets
Speaker 3: and how the Jets situation went down with Bill Parcells,
Speaker 3: that was all kind of a mess that Belichick was
Speaker 3: caught up in as well. But I just this revisionist
Speaker 3: history of looking back at who took the risk and
Speaker 3: who did this and who did that, It just it
Speaker 3: falls on a lot of deaf ears. That's why you think.
Speaker 3: I think that you're saying this is kind of a
Speaker 3: non story as well, because the Patriot's dynasty is what
Speaker 3: it is, and I don't know how many people care
Speaker 3: who takes credit for getting the things start at, whether
Speaker 3: it be Craft or Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a story that is very clearly, deeply
Speaker 2: personal to these two individuals.
Speaker 1: Is it a story to anybody?
Speaker 2: I mean, listen the Brady versus Bell check angle to
Speaker 2: it will be a sports talk debate that withstands the
Speaker 2: test of time, right, But this idea that Craft either
Speaker 2: didn't get enough credit or we're trying to diminish Belichick,
Speaker 2: it just feels extremely personal. It's why during the Tom
Speaker 2: Brady roast, everything flew up until it was time for
Speaker 2: Robert Craft and Bill Belichick to take a shot together.
Speaker 2: Think about all the things that they said about Tom
Speaker 2: Brady during that Tom Brady roast, including about his now
Speaker 2: ex wife, None of it seemed to none of it
Speaker 2: seemed to cross a line, and the only time that
Speaker 2: it got weird was when Belichick and Craft were asked
Speaker 2: to take a shot together. I'm just picturing it in
Speaker 2: my head right now as we speak, and so I
Speaker 2: just think that it is something that is very clearly,
Speaker 2: deeply personal to both of them.
Speaker 1: They do not like each other.
Speaker 2: I just think that while it's very interesting to them,
Speaker 2: it's two big names, it's one of the great runs
Speaker 2: in the history of sports that we've seen. I just
Speaker 2: don't know why we as consumers are supposed to care,
Speaker 2: because again, there's no new chapters to It'd be like
Speaker 2: me and you today, this would be like it'd be
Speaker 2: like Peyton Manning releasing a statement on why he doesn't
Speaker 2: get enough credit for his role in the Manning versus Brady.
Speaker 1: Rivalry.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, who cares, It's over, It's been over,
Speaker 2: and it's just I don't know. I just I understand
Speaker 2: why both guys are passionate about protecting their legacy. I
Speaker 2: just don't know why it was a lead story on
Speaker 2: ESPN today because I don't know why we as consumers
Speaker 2: are supposed to care, And I certainly don't think there's
Speaker 2: anything new to the story that should drag us back in.
Speaker 3: I think Belichick's speaking and saying what he's saying, especially
Speaker 3: after the sixty minutes debacle of what he's allowed to say,
Speaker 3: is interesting. I also, honestly just think it's really crappy
Speaker 3: of Robert Kraft to say something about Bill Belichick. What
Speaker 3: was more in the podcast was he said, I gave
Speaker 3: up a number one draft pick for a coach that
Speaker 3: had only won a little over forty percent of his
Speaker 3: games to get him out. It's a really crappy thing
Speaker 3: to do to say, especially because I think we all
Speaker 3: look back at the forty percent. We look at Bill
Speaker 3: Belichick's tenure in Cleveland as one of great success because
Speaker 3: he had the Browns as a playoff team and because
Speaker 3: the team ended up being then sold and or excuse me,
Speaker 3: moving should say like the tenure ended abruptly, but you
Speaker 3: can't say that he didn't have success there. So for
Speaker 3: him to go and use that against Bill Belichick again
Speaker 3: after knowing everything about him from their time together in
Speaker 3: New England, I just think it's a really crappy thing
Speaker 3: for Robert Kraft to do. And what makes it worse
Speaker 3: is that it sure seems that Robert Craft is trying
Speaker 3: to say that's stuff to prop himself up, So Belichick
Speaker 3: has nothing else but to do but to actually defend
Speaker 3: his name, because it sure doesn't seem like anybody is
Speaker 3: rushing to his defense, especially and this would tick me
Speaker 3: off as well if groc or Edelman aren't calling Craft
Speaker 3: out in terms of what he said. So now you
Speaker 3: have former players who are like it or not inadvertently
Speaker 3: brought into the mix, and all of a sudden they
Speaker 3: look like they side with Robert Kraft. So if you're
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, like him or not, like it's a crappy
Speaker 3: spot to be him. And if nobody else is going
Speaker 3: to defend him, hemauls to defend himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm debating if I feel any different about Gronk and Edelman.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they're not journalists.
Speaker 3: I think they're innocent like bystanders, but they get drawn
Speaker 3: into it because they Craft said it on their podcast
Speaker 3: and they didn't necessarily go up and at least I
Speaker 3: don't hear anyway request.
Speaker 1: To it, and I'm not.
Speaker 2: I understand why Belichick would be mad, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: make any of us think any different about Belichick right, Like,
Speaker 2: it's no different than when you know, Lebron does his
Speaker 2: podcast with Kadi and they're making fun of Jordan taking
Speaker 2: time off to play baseball. It's like, doesn't make me.
Speaker 2: They're allowed to have their opinions. It doesn't make me
Speaker 2: feel different about Jordan though, and it again, that was
Speaker 2: something that was kind of crappy to say about Jordan,
Speaker 2: But doesn't make me me as a consumer, feel different.
Speaker 3: You know, we just talked about Wyndham Clark a little
Speaker 3: while ago, and in what Wyndham Clark was doing at
Speaker 3: the Oakmont locker room, Oakmond didn't have to release a
Speaker 3: statement as this said. The US opening comes around in
Speaker 3: twenty thirty three is going far down the line. But
Speaker 3: they decided to take a stand because they felt that
Speaker 3: there was a wrong. That's kind of why I think Belichick.
Speaker 3: Belichick could have just let it go off to the
Speaker 3: ether and been like whatever, but they decided to take
Speaker 3: a stand, or he decided to take a stand to
Speaker 3: defend his own honor into what he did. And I
Speaker 3: just think that the four forty percent, you know, the
Speaker 3: forty percent win, you know, the Yeah, it's just kind
Speaker 3: of passing them. He's like but I think we did okay,
Speaker 3: and it tries to soften it, but it doesn't like
Speaker 3: I'd be ticked off too if I was Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've kind of talked me into this a little bit,
Speaker 2: because you know, we've I think, especially in our business,
Speaker 2: we're certainly not as high profile as Bill Belichick, but
Speaker 2: people say stuff about us all the time, and there's
Speaker 2: sometimes that I think we all decide to just say
Speaker 2: screw it.
Speaker 1: I don't need to respond.
Speaker 2: To everything, but there are certain things that are said
Speaker 2: by certain people that you're like, you know what, screw
Speaker 2: that guy, screw that girl, whatever. I'm not letting that
Speaker 2: person say anything without me getting my side of the
Speaker 2: story out and letting you know how I really feel
Speaker 2: about that person. So maybe I think you've actually talked
Speaker 2: me into it a little bit of why. Maybe the
Speaker 2: statement from Belichick made a little bit more sense.
Speaker 3: He's erin Torres. I'm dan by our final thing. Do
Speaker 3: you think Bill Belichick needs to prove anything at North Carolina?
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: And I'll be very quick on this, and it relates
Speaker 2: to the Nick Sabin story from Greg McElroy earlier this week.
Speaker 2: I don't think Sabin's coming back but I think Sabin
Speaker 2: coming back would only hurt his legacy unless he leads
Speaker 2: another school to a national championship. But I don't think
Speaker 2: his legacy can get any higher. And I think Belichick's
Speaker 2: almost the opposite. I don't think people really have crazy
Speaker 2: high expectations for North Carolina. So like, if he goes
Speaker 2: seven and five and six and six and in two years,
Speaker 2: he's just like, I'm out. I don't think it changes
Speaker 2: how we feel about Bill Belichick the head coach. I
Speaker 2: do think it would change if he has a great
Speaker 2: deal of success, We're like, oh, he actually was pretty good,
Speaker 2: and to your point, it wasn't just a thing with Brady.
Speaker 2: And you know, he did lead the Browns to the playoffs,
Speaker 2: and he did have this great twenty year run with
Speaker 2: the Patriots, and he did lead Carolina to the n
Speaker 2: eleven in one season. Remember when that happened. So I
Speaker 2: actually think it's the opposite. I think a good season
Speaker 2: or a good run elevates his legacy. I don't think
Speaker 2: I think that anything short of something truly a debacle
Speaker 2: like one and eleven whatever, I don't unless that happens,
Speaker 2: I don't think it hurts his legacy.
Speaker 3: And they're not going to. I think that it could.
Speaker 3: I agree with you on building it up. I do
Speaker 3: think that it could hurt him in a way. I
Speaker 3: think almost North Carolina may have more of a risk
Speaker 3: in terms of the fallout. It hasn't been good, like
Speaker 3: the of what's going on in the headlines over these
Speaker 3: last couple of months, and and the girlfriend aspect of it,
Speaker 3: like it hasn't been this rosy relationship, and people are wondering,
Speaker 3: g'z you're gonna make it the June first. Well he did.
Speaker 3: He ended up making it that far as their head coach.
Speaker 3: But then you're wondering, all right, is this just a
Speaker 3: succession plan and so forth. But I think that there
Speaker 3: it may. I don't think it was a no brainer
Speaker 3: by any means, but I actually think that there could
Speaker 3: be fallout from hiring him, whereas I don't think that
Speaker 3: North Carolina thought there was when they brought him on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really quickly.
Speaker 2: On that point, I think it's an interesting one because
Speaker 2: with Belichick, you know you're gonna get kind of the snarky,
Speaker 2: mean spirited guy with the media that doesn't really give
Speaker 2: much access to anybody. But when he was with the Patriots,
Speaker 2: he's winning so much that it doesn't matter. If he
Speaker 2: doesn't win at that level, which I think most of
Speaker 2: us don't think he's going to, then you just kind
Speaker 2: of got an old, grumpy, mean guy as your head
Speaker 2: coach without any of the benefits of being maybe the
Speaker 2: greatest coach of all time.
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Speaker 3: Jeopardy is a game show. The point I'm saying is
Speaker 3: I think growing up I had price is right that
Speaker 3: we all still love. Let's make a deal. There's those
Speaker 3: shows going on Jeopardy, quiz show. You gotta know your stuff.
Speaker 3: It's not just like you get randomly picked you can
Speaker 3: win ten thousand dollars. You gotta know your stuff. You
Speaker 3: gotta earn it. Jeopardy has changed throughout the years, and
Speaker 3: obviously Alex Trebek's passing ushered and Ken Jennings now as
Speaker 3: the new host, so there are things that are different.
Speaker 3: Gets taken a change. Jason Stewart is our executive producer.
Speaker 3: Aaron Taurres he is smitten by Jeopardy and you record
Speaker 3: every night and watched last night's episode as well.
Speaker 6: It's the one thing, and I know you guys can
Speaker 6: appreciate this. Everybody here, the one thing that you and
Speaker 6: your significant other can do. We walk off thirty minutes
Speaker 6: and we watch Jeopardy every night. She kicks my ass.
Speaker 6: She gets psych for every ten answers she gets right,
Speaker 6: I get one. And it's fine. That's great. And something
Speaker 6: happened last night that was just extra special for us
Speaker 6: in the sports industry, because we forget not everybody is
Speaker 6: as tapped into sports as we are.
Speaker 3: Let's hear what happened on last night's Jeopardy episode when
Speaker 3: it came to this category.
Speaker 7: Can we hit for the cycle for two hundred?
Speaker 8: As you might guess, this hit is the rarest one
Speaker 8: in the cycle. Ellie de la Cruz completed the feed
Speaker 8: with one June twenty third, twenty three, the home run
Speaker 8: No Scott A Carl the triple much rareer than the
Speaker 8: home run.
Speaker 3: Okay to you, Pete, Yeah sorry, Pete. We're gonna take
Speaker 3: it from here. I want to break this down Ryan.
Speaker 3: If you can get the if you can get the
Speaker 3: pause button, ready can you play Can you play that again?
Speaker 7: Can we hit for the cycle for two hundred?
Speaker 8: As you might guess, this hit is the rarest one
Speaker 8: in the cycle. Ellie de la Cruz completed the feed
Speaker 8: with one June twenty third.
Speaker 1: Okay, So can I ask really quick?
Speaker 2: Was a cycle like? Was the cycle in baseball the
Speaker 2: entire category? Or was this one question in cycle related?
Speaker 6: It was like a kind of like an MLB All
Speaker 6: Star kind of like category baseball cycles.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, okakay, And so basically single, double, triple, and
Speaker 3: home run weren't all of the answers. Obviously as you
Speaker 3: went along, they didn't know that this one was the
Speaker 3: answer that they needed. But I paused it at that
Speaker 3: point because this is my problem with Jeopardy right now.
Speaker 3: If you were maybe a Reds fan like you would
Speaker 3: you would be like, oh, I remember when you know
Speaker 3: Elie de la Cruz had that that triple and he
Speaker 3: got the cycle. The question is, I feel in the
Speaker 3: old days would have been it's the most difficult, you
Speaker 3: know piece to get in the cycle. It would have
Speaker 3: just that would have been the question. Now I feel
Speaker 3: that Jeopardy tries to lead you on and give you
Speaker 3: hints to dumb it down for the contestants, and to
Speaker 3: your point, as I told you this before, and you
Speaker 3: think it's for the listener of the viewer at home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Jay Stu plays with his significant other.
Speaker 2: I like watching it and listen nobody nobody wants to
Speaker 2: feel too dumb where they're like, well, there's no reason
Speaker 2: for me to tune in because I can't get any
Speaker 2: of these questions right. I will say, though, to your point,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've gotten smarter through the years.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the answer, but it does feel
Speaker 2: like I'm getting more questions as time goes on. Jason Stewart,
Speaker 2: you kind of know what I'm talking about. What's your
Speaker 2: theory on this?
Speaker 3: Like these added little clues that I feel that they
Speaker 3: put into these questions or should I say answers.
Speaker 6: So this is how nerdy we are. On the weekends
Speaker 6: when there is not a new episode to watch, we
Speaker 6: watch Game Show Network prior episodes. So we've been watching
Speaker 6: a lot of the twenty twenty five years ago when
Speaker 6: Ken Jennings was actually a contestant stuff. And I think
Speaker 6: I noticed this. The questions back then, I don't think
Speaker 6: were harder, but they definitely weren't as complicated. So I
Speaker 6: think the questions back then were easier, And I really
Speaker 6: do think the questions now are harder and they need
Speaker 6: an explanation. Does that make sense? So cause I get
Speaker 6: a lot more correct answers from the shows from twenty
Speaker 6: years ago.
Speaker 3: I really I think that these answers are leading. I
Speaker 3: think they are leading you to a place. MANCEI are
Speaker 3: you a Jeopardy viewer.
Speaker 9: I am the person that Aaron said that doesn't watch
Speaker 9: because I feel stupid af watching that because I don't
Speaker 9: know a single answer, and even the sports ones, I'm like,
Speaker 9: I know it, but the wording.
Speaker 1: Is confusing me, and how do I do this?
Speaker 9: I hate Jeopardy, but I'll watch it.
Speaker 3: I think that there has been a quite a push
Speaker 3: in quite a turn. I felt that the reason you
Speaker 3: watched Jeopardy previously was because you were smart and Alex
Speaker 3: Trebek was the star. To Aaron's point, I think you
Speaker 3: when you're competing at home. I think that that is
Speaker 3: a big part of it. I also think that Jeopardy
Speaker 3: is turned into a game where the host is no
Speaker 3: longer the star. It's the actual contestant Jeopardy is better
Speaker 3: when Ken Jennings is there, or James Holtzauer or Amy
Speaker 3: Johnson or any of their other great champions that they
Speaker 3: had for on those long streaks, because that's when you
Speaker 3: gain momentum. I think they fell on to something with
Speaker 3: Ken Jennings, and then now all of a sudden, you
Speaker 3: got Tournament of Champions, you got Tournament a While, you
Speaker 3: got all these different games like that's it's now been
Speaker 3: so much more about the contestant and the people at
Speaker 3: home that I think that Aaron Torres is right. You
Speaker 3: think the questions are harder. I think that they're much
Speaker 3: easier than what they used.
Speaker 6: Let me give you an example, just a totally random example,
Speaker 6: and I'm probably getting the city wrong, but like they
Speaker 6: will start the question by saying she won her talent
Speaker 6: contest when she grew up in Flint, Michigan, and you're like,
Speaker 6: there's no way in hell I'm getting that, and then
Speaker 6: they'll add then she became the material girl, you know.
Speaker 6: So it's like it's impossible to get the first half
Speaker 6: and then they fill you into something easier. So I
Speaker 6: don't know if I'm making my point correct. They are
Speaker 6: harder questions that need filler, it seems nowadays when I
Speaker 6: look at both shows, the contrast.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get oh sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5: No all.
Speaker 2: I was just saying we were talking about this a little
Speaker 2: bit before, but that's when I watched, Like with my wife.
Speaker 2: She gets She's like, how did you know that? And
Speaker 2: I think I don't know most of the answers. You
Speaker 2: need the context of you know, hey, you know this
Speaker 2: state capital that starts with Q is and I don't
Speaker 2: think there is one, but you get the point and
Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, well that eliminates it down to three,
Speaker 2: and then you just take a guess and if you're smart,
Speaker 2: you know, if you if.
Speaker 1: You get one three.
Speaker 3: Aaron used the letter E like in the pre shows
Speaker 3: you're kind of talking about this, so I like thought
Speaker 3: of a cute like a clue, like the category is
Speaker 3: E sports. And then what they will do is they
Speaker 3: would say like this NHL city had a great run
Speaker 3: of championships in the nineteen eighties, something to gush over,
Speaker 3: and then you'd be like ed, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 3: you know to Aaron's point, like okay, how many E
Speaker 3: cities are there in the NHL? And then all right,
Speaker 3: well then you and then my point is you add
Speaker 3: the gushing part. Sure, oh there's a hint of leading
Speaker 3: you to the to the other answer. I get Jason's part,
Speaker 3: but I don't think it's as simplistic as his material.
Speaker 1: Girl, clue, see what the problem is. We're all nerds.
Speaker 2: None of us are big enough as Jay Stu to
Speaker 2: go back and watch episodes from twenty five years ago
Speaker 2: to have the full context.
Speaker 3: So but we're we're we're sports nerds, and I always
Speaker 3: feel dumb when they Hadler They're like, let's do Shakespeare.
Speaker 3: That's when I leave, like, you know, he absolutely Shakespeare
Speaker 3: for two thousand. I don't even I pick up my
Speaker 3: phone like that's what I do at that point. My
Speaker 3: favorite one is, uh, Babylonia for eight hundred. Who knows
Speaker 3: anything about Babylonia?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: So here's the question though, as sports people, you'll see
Speaker 2: like the two thousand dollars sports question, and the answer
Speaker 2: would be like this Buffalo Bill's quarterback who just was
Speaker 2: on the fringe of a super Bowl And we're like, obviously,
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. So for all these actual smart people are
Speaker 2: they are they sitting there like, well, duh, it's obviously
Speaker 2: Romeo and Juliet.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think they are.
Speaker 3: I think there are. Obviously, obviously it was Macbeth a idiot.
Speaker 3: That's what makes the last part of this. Can you
Speaker 3: just play the rest of it just quickly, then we'll
Speaker 3: get to Manzi, who's been waiting patiently for giving us
Speaker 3: the update.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and play the clue over if if you want.
Speaker 8: Twenty twenty three, Pete, what's the home run? No, scot
Speaker 8: he carl the triple, that's rare.
Speaker 3: That's Jason's favorite part is heat. The home run was
Speaker 3: wrong by the way he thought. He was like the
Speaker 3: home run like, yeah, suck it, suck it, but that
Speaker 3: wasn't And then the other two well radio silo.
Speaker 6: The essence of this is that it's a two hundred
Speaker 6: dollars question. It's in the first round. There's literally no
Speaker 6: risk to get in it wrong. So once home run's
Speaker 6: taken off the board, you only you're down to a
Speaker 6: multiple choice, which you know you never get multiple choice
Speaker 6: on Jeopardy, So click in and pick one of the
Speaker 6: other three. You probably know it's not a single. But
Speaker 6: I'm thinking these people are such nerds and don't know
Speaker 6: anything about sports. They don't even know what the others are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what I thought. Grand Slam? What is
Speaker 3: Grand Slam?
Speaker 2: Well, did you guys saw the page Beckers Caitlyn Clark
Speaker 2: clue the other day where the answers page Beckers. They
Speaker 2: were like this women's basketball player and the first person
Speaker 2: who is Kaitlyn Clark?
Speaker 1: He's like, sorry, that's wrong?
Speaker 2: And then no one knew any other women's basketball player
Speaker 2: on the planet, So that's kind of incredible.
Speaker 3: What is sacrifice punt? What's hank, Aaron, that's oh man
Speaker 3: so good? I used to never mind who cares? We
Speaker 3: were at Town of Town. Let's got to Montzi giving
Speaker 3: us the latest. I can talk about game shows for days.
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Speaker 3: He's Aaron Torres, I'm Dan Byer, Monzi Blanos, This yere
Speaker 3: Jason Stewart and Ryan Smith. As we wrap up the show,
Speaker 3: Glad to have you with us. Aaron and I will
Speaker 3: be back tomorrow as well, hanging out. Will also be
Speaker 3: in for the Doug Gottlieb Show, so looking forward to that.
Speaker 3: Open Championship first round will be wrapped up or nearly
Speaker 3: wrapped up when we hit the airways, so I'll have
Speaker 3: something to say about that. Yeah, whatever happens at a
Speaker 3: Royal Port rush. You heard the Jeopardy music. We're talking
Speaker 3: game shows because of this question that aired last night
Speaker 3: on Jeopardy.
Speaker 7: Can we hit for the cycle for two hundred?
Speaker 8: As you might guess, this hit is the rarest one
Speaker 8: in the cycle. Ellie de la Cruz completed the feed
Speaker 8: with one. June twenty third, twenty twenty three, Pete, what's
Speaker 8: the home run?
Speaker 1: No, Scott Karl got Pete's so cocky triple?
Speaker 3: Thank you seriously, Like, what's the home run? Give me
Speaker 3: the night four? No, it was wrong. He was about
Speaker 3: to be like, I'll take Circle of Life for four
Speaker 3: under whatever the category was just so so arrogant, and
Speaker 3: then I think the other players were scared off by
Speaker 3: his arrogance and didn't even want to take a chance
Speaker 3: at it because of how he looked foolish in that
Speaker 3: that's a two hundred question. So here's here's what I
Speaker 3: wanted to transition to with Wheel of Fortune. I think
Speaker 3: wheel of Fortune backed by Jeopardy when it's Jeopardy first,
Speaker 3: wheel of Fortune second is perfect because if you don't
Speaker 3: have a chance in Jeopardy, you got a real good
Speaker 3: chance at wheel of Fortune. Are you a wheel of Fortune?
Speaker 1: Moncey?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: I like you better?
Speaker 9: But I still suck at it. I'm still making up
Speaker 9: things that aren't on phone.
Speaker 3: Still, it brings more people into the game Shakespeare. Here
Speaker 3: we're talking letters and and with Wheel of Fortune you
Speaker 3: can even guess a letter. And when they get it wrong,
Speaker 3: if you say like guess and s and they go
Speaker 3: and then there's no end.
Speaker 1: You're like idiots, idiots.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, But I feel it's they work
Speaker 3: so well off each other. And I know they're not
Speaker 3: back to back in every single market across the country,
Speaker 3: but a lot of them they are. And in ours
Speaker 3: in Southern California, in Los Angeles, we have a Jeopardy
Speaker 3: followed by a Wheel of Fortune. And I feel like
Speaker 3: the first part of Jeopardy is okay, if you did
Speaker 3: have a chance there, just wait thirty minutes because you're
Speaker 3: gonna have a chance a wheel of fortune.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the opposite of you, guys, is I'm good
Speaker 2: at random trivia and I'm good at piecing the clues
Speaker 2: together of oh Flint, Michigan. Well, it's down to these
Speaker 2: four people. For some reason, I guess I'm just not
Speaker 2: a visual learner. I suck at Wheel of Fortune. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I can't even analogize it here on air.
Speaker 3: But my favorite wheel of fortune, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if you're watching with significant others, is there are just
Speaker 3: other people in the room. When people are like blank, blank,
Speaker 3: the blank and blank, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all know the and.
Speaker 3: Like just because you said it out loud first doesn't
Speaker 3: give you DIBs on this puzzle that you like gave
Speaker 3: us the pathway to the answer, Like we know it's
Speaker 3: the or, and like we understand that that's one of
Speaker 3: my favorites.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the H in the middle kind of gives away
Speaker 2: that it's the in the three letter word, buddy.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's also the thing about will of fortune where
Speaker 3: you feel smarter because you solved it before they did.
Speaker 1: Sure, there's a chance for that, but but a lot.
Speaker 3: Of times they're just spinning for more money, so they
Speaker 3: knew the puzzle three letters ago when you didn't. But
Speaker 3: because they keep on spinning, you're like idiots. It's you know,
Speaker 3: it's like you know, for whom the bell tolls, it's
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 2: The opposite is true as well, is that you get
Speaker 2: annoyed when everybody knows what it is and there are
Speaker 2: still spins to be had to run up the score
Speaker 2: and run up your point total, your money total, and
Speaker 2: you end up being like, no, I'll solve it there,
Speaker 2: and you're like, just take the f dude, four hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: It's giraffe, Like, you know, it's giraffe. You can spend
Speaker 3: more money, yes, and you got two of them there. Oh,
Speaker 3: there's so much. There's so much with it. We can
Speaker 3: talk game shows more times we want as well. For
Speaker 3: erin Torres, Monzi, Belonials, Jason Stewart and Ryan Smith.
Speaker 1: I'm Dan Byer. This is Cavino and Rich on Fox
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