1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perilla offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:39,638 Speaker 2: Joined by the newarch member of the Patriots Hall of Fame, 5 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: Mike Gravel. 6 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,439 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: coy Or joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, 10 00:00:50,519 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,999 Speaker 3: Good to be home, Good to see you guys. 12 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:59,079 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,279 --> 00:01:07,279 Speaker 2: Interesting too, right this week a lot? 14 00:01:07,438 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: How much time did you spend when you look back 15 00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:10,279 Speaker 1: on it with. 16 00:01:10,399 --> 00:01:13,519 Speaker 3: Caleb and Jaydens the whole process of the spring and 17 00:01:13,719 --> 00:01:14,798 Speaker 3: how do you look back on that? 18 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:15,678 Speaker 2: Was it a whirlwind? 19 00:01:15,679 --> 00:01:16,599 Speaker 3: What was it like for you? 20 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:19,359 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you know both as rookies, you know, 21 00:01:19,438 --> 00:01:21,359 Speaker 2: coming out as quarterbacks. You spend a lot of time 22 00:01:21,399 --> 00:01:24,958 Speaker 2: with those guys. You see him, someone visits some at 23 00:01:24,999 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: the combine. Really with Caleb, I've seen him since high school, 24 00:01:27,878 --> 00:01:30,879 Speaker 2: going to the same camps. Was at the lead level 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: with each other. That's some college visits together, so kind 26 00:01:34,679 --> 00:01:37,999 Speaker 2: of the whole thing, kind of going through the process again. 27 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 2: You know, we cat up with each other in college. 28 00:01:40,279 --> 00:01:42,439 Speaker 2: You know, we were friends and and uh, you know, 29 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:44,599 Speaker 2: enjoyed watching him do his thing. And now I'll get 30 00:01:44,639 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: a chance to you'll compete. So you know, anytime you're 31 00:01:47,039 --> 00:01:49,679 Speaker 2: going to the rookie quarterback and in the same class, 32 00:01:50,239 --> 00:01:52,079 Speaker 2: or any quarterback in your class in general, you know, 33 00:01:52,119 --> 00:01:54,839 Speaker 2: it's it's a little extra sou looking forward to going 34 00:01:54,839 --> 00:01:56,999 Speaker 2: out there and getting a chance to you'll play the Bears, 35 00:01:58,159 --> 00:01:59,199 Speaker 2: how all these guys. 36 00:01:58,999 --> 00:02:01,439 Speaker 3: Are doing throughout the or how well have you monitor 37 00:02:01,759 --> 00:02:03,919 Speaker 3: how these guys are doing? 38 00:02:05,479 --> 00:02:07,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the biggest things you see him on film. 39 00:02:07,399 --> 00:02:09,238 Speaker 2: You know, I'm just watching Jade and play the Bears 40 00:02:09,279 --> 00:02:12,279 Speaker 2: defense and watching these teams, and I think that's it's 41 00:02:12,279 --> 00:02:13,758 Speaker 2: pretty cool. I think you see some of the highlight 42 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:15,638 Speaker 2: plays and but I think the biggest thing to see 43 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,279 Speaker 2: how the overall team's doing. And uh, that's the main 44 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:20,319 Speaker 2: goal for you know, really all the sprookis in the 45 00:02:20,439 --> 00:02:23,599 Speaker 2: in this classes. You'll put wins the win column, and 46 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 2: you know, ipe, we get no chance to do that 47 00:02:24,839 --> 00:02:26,759 Speaker 2: and we get to we'll get some more in that column. 48 00:02:27,159 --> 00:02:29,719 Speaker 2: That's the most impressive thing that Keel does on the 49 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:31,558 Speaker 2: field in his game, as well as you do seeing 50 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:36,279 Speaker 2: him doelling for so long. Yeah, I think just you know, 51 00:02:36,358 --> 00:02:38,478 Speaker 2: the play is never over with Caleb, that's the biggest thing. 52 00:02:38,839 --> 00:02:41,759 Speaker 2: And also I think it's his talent of throwing, making 53 00:02:41,959 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 2: difficult throws, you know them kind of kind of the normal, 54 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: you know, the regular eye if your quarterback, you kind 55 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 2: of see like man's that's a good throw. I think, 56 00:02:49,279 --> 00:02:50,999 Speaker 2: you know, watching one week he's played the Jaguar of 57 00:02:51,079 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: this year, he get Keithan Allen kind of on a 58 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,559 Speaker 2: little seam, you know, back shoulder. You see throws like that, 59 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 2: and like you kind of you take that for granted. 60 00:02:57,879 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 2: You know, he's just so talented, and I think just 61 00:03:00,758 --> 00:03:02,238 Speaker 2: kind of getting through to like I said, I get 62 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:04,319 Speaker 2: to know him and seeing compete and you know, we 63 00:03:04,399 --> 00:03:05,719 Speaker 2: never played each other, so it his first time. So 64 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 2: it'll be pretty cool. 65 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:08,958 Speaker 4: It's been a few days, so you've got a chance 66 00:03:09,038 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 4: to really look at the film and reflecting that last 67 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 4: play and regulation in the game on Sunday, and and 68 00:03:14,799 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 4: if so, what did you see different from what you 69 00:03:17,079 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 4: were actually feeling at the time trying to. 70 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they pop cover two and you know 71 00:03:21,839 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: I had a hunter. You know, within the first couple 72 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:25,159 Speaker 2: of seconds of to play, I could have made it 73 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:27,559 Speaker 2: a lot of easier in the back end zone. So 74 00:03:28,279 --> 00:03:29,999 Speaker 2: arn not just making playing keeple play a live But 75 00:03:30,119 --> 00:03:32,358 Speaker 2: I'm really probably just more you no matter myself for 76 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:35,319 Speaker 2: not making the play having to play a lot less stressful. 77 00:03:35,399 --> 00:03:38,479 Speaker 2: So said, he looked at you because he had a 78 00:03:38,519 --> 00:03:41,958 Speaker 2: bound if he gave you a cluck like don't don't 79 00:03:41,999 --> 00:03:46,079 Speaker 2: be a fall exactly. I get what was that look 80 00:03:46,239 --> 00:03:50,159 Speaker 2: like and what's that communication like? Yeah, I think it's 81 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:52,039 Speaker 2: a better move. You know, he's kind of waving in 82 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:55,039 Speaker 2: the back saw him before. I saw Madre kind of 83 00:03:55,079 --> 00:03:57,039 Speaker 2: peel back at the end. But uh now we were 84 00:03:57,079 --> 00:04:00,119 Speaker 2: just laughing after the game about it. Those are the 85 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:02,958 Speaker 2: things that you remember, you know, looking back in twenty years, 86 00:04:02,999 --> 00:04:05,759 Speaker 2: remember play like that. So it was a it was 87 00:04:05,799 --> 00:04:08,279 Speaker 2: a veteran move. And also just I think somebody told 88 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:10,639 Speaker 2: him take him knee, maybe coach McNeill said, taking a 89 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:12,599 Speaker 2: knee instead of you know, waving like he's open. So 90 00:04:12,679 --> 00:04:16,398 Speaker 2: you understand it. Uh yeah, I figured nobody nobody was 91 00:04:16,438 --> 00:04:18,758 Speaker 2: guarding him guarding him, so I figured he probably had 92 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: stepped out of bounds. So, uh, just just lucky we 93 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: end up scoring forcing over time Drake character for starts, 94 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:27,079 Speaker 2: How what are you looking to improve on and what 95 00:04:27,119 --> 00:04:29,199 Speaker 2: do you think you can do better? Yeah, attract the 96 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:31,998 Speaker 2: football is the biggest thing. I think. You know, there's 97 00:04:32,079 --> 00:04:34,758 Speaker 2: times where you know my decision making and you know 98 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: whether it's ball security in the pocket, and you know, 99 00:04:36,719 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 2: knowing when that timer goes off in my head. You know, 100 00:04:38,599 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: little things like that, and other than that, just taking 101 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: taking the right play I think is the biggest thing. 102 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,879 Speaker 2: You're taking incompletion that last you know, it's first down, 103 00:04:46,919 --> 00:04:50,199 Speaker 2: known situation, or at a third down and around midfield 104 00:04:50,198 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 2: the first interception I threw. You know, I think sometimes 105 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,079 Speaker 2: the punt's not the not the worst thing there, you know, 106 00:04:55,318 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: or maybe you go try to make a play check 107 00:04:57,078 --> 00:04:59,319 Speaker 2: down and kind of get a broken tackle and pick 108 00:04:59,359 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 2: up the first so kind of knowing the situationally it 109 00:05:01,239 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 2: came almost the best play for this football team instead 110 00:05:03,599 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: of kind of you know, kind of being as aggressive 111 00:05:06,198 --> 00:05:08,319 Speaker 2: in certain situations. I think you're growing that and storing 112 00:05:08,359 --> 00:05:11,319 Speaker 2: these in your situations and these these uh kind of 113 00:05:11,318 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 2: in my in my memory bank for times when hey, 114 00:05:14,558 --> 00:05:16,439 Speaker 2: you know I did this last time, Maybe try a 115 00:05:16,438 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 2: different thing, or maybe try to be more conservative. And 116 00:05:19,039 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: I kind of know when to attack these football teams 117 00:05:21,479 --> 00:05:29,319 Speaker 2: because I'm gonna be aggressive that kind kind of again. Yeah, no, 118 00:05:29,359 --> 00:05:31,079 Speaker 2: it's cool. You know, I grew up, you know, my 119 00:05:31,119 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 2: older brother, Luke and Mason your best friends and got 120 00:05:35,119 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: a It was pretty cool having kind of an older 121 00:05:37,919 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: kind of friend that kind of went through the quarterback 122 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:43,718 Speaker 2: you know from He's from South Charlotte, was in South Carolina, 123 00:05:43,799 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: kind of rock Hill area. But uh, going off to 124 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 2: college and going into the combine, going to the drafts, 125 00:05:48,879 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: kind of had a guy I kind of looked up 126 00:05:50,599 --> 00:05:52,959 Speaker 2: to to kind of ask questions and ask about the 127 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:55,199 Speaker 2: quarterback world that I knew on a personal level. So 128 00:05:55,239 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: it was it was awesome having a guy like Mason 129 00:05:57,399 --> 00:05:58,998 Speaker 2: that kind of shifted into Sam once I got to 130 00:05:59,039 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: North Carolina. But that was definitely a pretty cool moment 131 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: playing Mason and have them growing up. And I remember 132 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 2: being you know, five and six years old and he 133 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 2: was a teenager and playing quarterback in the backyard. He 134 00:06:08,958 --> 00:06:10,518 Speaker 2: was throwing me the football, so it was pretty cool. 135 00:06:13,239 --> 00:06:17,399 Speaker 2: It's not not toll Yeah, not tall defense. Yeah, I 136 00:06:17,479 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 2: think not think it's the other Bears defense. I think 137 00:06:20,239 --> 00:06:22,678 Speaker 2: they're always going to be you know, physical, physical defense. 138 00:06:22,719 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: You know, the good up front, have some good edge 139 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:27,118 Speaker 2: guys again, so like every D line's got some good 140 00:06:27,119 --> 00:06:29,319 Speaker 2: guys in the edge. But I guess some you know, 141 00:06:29,359 --> 00:06:31,318 Speaker 2: they're gonna go after the football that we were preaching 142 00:06:31,359 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: ball security and you know, play a lot of zone 143 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,198 Speaker 2: so I think we're gonna have to you'll find find 144 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 2: ze times in zone covers where we've gotta find guys 145 00:06:39,119 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: open and kind of make guys, uh, make yards after 146 00:06:42,599 --> 00:06:44,238 Speaker 2: the catch and then they're gonna sprinkle on some man 147 00:06:44,318 --> 00:06:46,079 Speaker 2: so win the one on ones. But I think they're 148 00:06:46,359 --> 00:06:48,158 Speaker 2: good up fronts. Think Evans in the middle is a 149 00:06:48,198 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: good player. And on the edge, like I said, they 150 00:06:50,519 --> 00:06:53,399 Speaker 2: got Montes so and you know lockdown corn in this 151 00:06:53,479 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 2: league that you gotta be mindful of, so they can 152 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:58,119 Speaker 2: do a lot of different things. And I think they 153 00:06:58,198 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 2: they've played some good defense this year. So we got 154 00:06:59,958 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: to We've got a tough challenge with a. 155 00:07:01,799 --> 00:07:05,199 Speaker 3: Bunch of would you say, in the biggest areas and 156 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: for this first five stars, where you don't like what 157 00:07:08,198 --> 00:07:09,879 Speaker 3: you put on tape and where you said, Okay, I've 158 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:13,439 Speaker 3: gotten better in this area incrementally through the. 159 00:07:13,559 --> 00:07:17,639 Speaker 2: First Yet I think my you know, my first and 160 00:07:17,719 --> 00:07:20,039 Speaker 2: second down, you know, decision makings I think been big. 161 00:07:20,159 --> 00:07:22,799 Speaker 2: I think, uh whereas run checks or you know, one 162 00:07:22,879 --> 00:07:24,839 Speaker 2: high two high stuff, different things that we're getting in 163 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:27,159 Speaker 2: out of plays. Been proud of the way that you know, 164 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:29,199 Speaker 2: I feel like I've done well, and as perhaps to 165 00:07:29,239 --> 00:07:32,199 Speaker 2: TC in the quarterback of what he does and preparing 166 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:34,919 Speaker 2: us in the quarterback room of being ready and really 167 00:07:34,999 --> 00:07:36,319 Speaker 2: than that, I think, you know, making some plays. I 168 00:07:36,359 --> 00:07:38,039 Speaker 2: think that's part of my game and I'm proud of, 169 00:07:38,159 --> 00:07:40,479 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes extending some plays and taking plays with 170 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 2: my feet and picking up a first down on third 171 00:07:42,679 --> 00:07:44,719 Speaker 2: down with my feet can go along way with with 172 00:07:44,759 --> 00:07:47,759 Speaker 2: an offense. So looking forward to hopefully helping do some 173 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:49,999 Speaker 2: more of that and they do a better job of 174 00:07:49,999 --> 00:07:51,919 Speaker 2: finding these guys you know, open and let them do 175 00:07:51,958 --> 00:07:54,439 Speaker 2: their things being making plays with your feet. I notice 176 00:07:54,439 --> 00:07:56,639 Speaker 2: you preferred to a bunch of long yardage situations. I 177 00:07:56,679 --> 00:07:57,838 Speaker 2: was wondering to those kinds. 178 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:00,158 Speaker 3: Of get long yardage? Is it more instinctive when you 179 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:01,479 Speaker 3: want or are you saying, you know what, They're just 180 00:08:01,479 --> 00:08:03,238 Speaker 3: gonna drop all the way back and I see an opening, 181 00:08:03,239 --> 00:08:03,879 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna take. 182 00:08:04,039 --> 00:08:05,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's more instinctive things to kind of 183 00:08:05,919 --> 00:08:08,759 Speaker 2: feel back there. Obviously. You know, I'm a passer first, 184 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:10,319 Speaker 2: you know, I want to be a passer in this league, 185 00:08:10,359 --> 00:08:12,439 Speaker 2: and you got to be a passer in this lead 186 00:08:12,519 --> 00:08:14,759 Speaker 2: to be successful. And I'm trying to find these guys 187 00:08:14,759 --> 00:08:17,199 Speaker 2: and when they're dropping, you know, when they're dropping seven 188 00:08:17,239 --> 00:08:19,439 Speaker 2: and rushing four and there's some rush lanes and they're 189 00:08:19,639 --> 00:08:22,479 Speaker 2: you know, Titans had kind of a deepest mentality to 190 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:24,719 Speaker 2: sit back and zone and kind of everybody's looking at me. 191 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:26,959 Speaker 2: I'm like, you have go make a play. So I 192 00:08:26,958 --> 00:08:29,279 Speaker 2: think there's different times and times, and man, we've got 193 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:31,799 Speaker 2: guys running away. You can kind of make some scrambled plays. 194 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:33,399 Speaker 2: But you know, I'm trying to be a pastor first 195 00:08:33,439 --> 00:08:36,718 Speaker 2: and help these guys pick up the first downs. So 196 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:37,599 Speaker 2: thank you one. 197 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: Here Patriots Playbook join John Brook as he brings you 198 00:08:41,719 --> 00:08:44,478 Speaker 1: all the latest Patriots Talk, an expert commentary direct from 199 00:08:44,479 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: Patriots HQ. The show features interviews with New England and 200 00:08:47,719 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: Opponent beat writers that bring you a unique media view 201 00:08:50,199 --> 00:08:51,598 Speaker 1: of the state of the team, but where. 202 00:08:51,399 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 3: The Patriots are concerned, Let's just get one thing done, 203 00:08:54,439 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: and let's get it done right, and then. 204 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,078 Speaker 2: We can worry about versatility. 205 00:08:58,199 --> 00:08:59,399 Speaker 1: Am I lying to anybody here. 206 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,999 Speaker 2: Let's just get one thing done. 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