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Speaker 1: LinkedIn News. I mean, I've always been a hustle queen.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember even in elementary school. I was like

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Speaker 1: buy it for a dollar there, but I'm gonna charge

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Speaker 2: An entrepreneur from day one, because.

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Speaker 1: I would stand outside classrooms and I'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you got your notepad here?

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Speaker 2: You always that kid. Everyone had that kid that was me.

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Speaker 1: Baby. Thank God I didn't turn to a life of crime.

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Speaker 2: But from LinkedIn News and i Heeart Podcasts, this is

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Speaker 2: Let's Talk offline, a show about what it takes to

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Speaker 2: thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing

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Speaker 2: your values, sanity or sleep. I'm Gianna Prudenti.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Jamay Jackson Gadston. Listen, y'all. Gen Z came

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Speaker 1: out the womb hustling. There's always been this talk about

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Speaker 1: to work. But the truth is that nearly half of

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Speaker 1: the young workers are balancing that nine to five with

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Speaker 1: their side gig, whether it's them building businesses or even

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Speaker 1: just creating content online. It's really admirable how y'all are

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Speaker 1: out here a hustling. You are pursuing those passion projects,

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Speaker 1: and most importantly to big Auntie Jamai, you are diversifying

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Speaker 2: Ooh, yes, it's so true. Side hustles really can like

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Speaker 2: even want your side hustle to be and how do

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Speaker 2: you eventually turn it into the main thing. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk through the ups and downs of managing a side

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, so today we are talking all about side hustles,

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Speaker 1: which is actually one of my favorite topics. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about how to manage them alongside your full

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Speaker 1: full time career. Okay, your side hustle doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: be the side chick anymore. She could be the main squeeze.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have heard this, but

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Speaker 1: gen Z's allegedly been called the side hustle generation Gianna

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Speaker 1: in your reporting, What have you seen or found that

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Speaker 1: supports or denies that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely been the narrative for the past like

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Speaker 2: it's true. I think with any you know, headline like that,

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Speaker 2: it's a bit of a generalization, you know, to be transparent, like,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a side hustle, you know, hustle that

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Speaker 2: like we've been called the side hustle generation because we've

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Speaker 2: whether that be you know, creating content online or actually

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Speaker 2: And another reason is side hustles allow us to diversify

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's a way to have financial security

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that's the challenge. Yeah, because once you actually start

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Speaker 1: But I've always had a very entrepreneurial spirit. My dad

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Speaker 1: It's helping you get out there, build connections with other people,

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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering when you were doing that, was there

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Speaker 1: Yes, I have always always had to disclose and advance

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Speaker 4: Think about your projections, you know, so, if you're making

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Speaker 4: a certain amount of money in your business month over month,

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Speaker 4: do you have the demand of clients coming in or

441
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Speaker 4: opportunities coming in that if your corporate job wasn't there anymore,

442
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Speaker 4: you'd be able to take on more work and then

443
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Speaker 4: it supplements your needs and lifestyles, and also of course

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Speaker 4: account for taxes and things like that. I'm not a

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Speaker 4: financial advisor, but check with an accountant, right. I would

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Speaker 4: also say having a clear business plan of what you

447
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Speaker 4: want to do, So who's your company going to serve,

448
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Speaker 4: what is the competitive analysis, what's the projections of how

449
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Speaker 4: your industry is growing over the next year, has it

450
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Speaker 4: been trending up? So having some sort of tangible evidence

451
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Speaker 4: that you are going to be okay and that there

452
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Speaker 4: is opportunity available for you is super important. I would

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Speaker 4: also say you need to have a network and a

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Speaker 4: community of people that are going to support you through

455
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Speaker 4: this transition. This is one of the hardest transitions that

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Speaker 4: you can make because there is some level of a

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Speaker 4: big what if in financial quote unquote insecurity. I don't

458
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Speaker 4: want to say it's completely insecure, but you are betting

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Speaker 4: on yourself one hundred percent. If you don't have a

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Speaker 4: supportive network and group of people around you saying that

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Speaker 4: you can do it, you're going to want to go back.

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Speaker 4: And trust me, no matter what, You're probably going to

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Speaker 4: have thoughts that you want to go back. I've had

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Speaker 4: thoughts that I wanted to go back, but I stuck

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Speaker 4: it out. I had a great support system also having

466
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Speaker 4: multiple streams of income, So figuring out ways that you

467
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Speaker 4: can grow with scale and expand the business because without

468
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Speaker 4: a doubt, you probably will have to pivot at some point.

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Speaker 4: So you don't want to just have Plan A. Probably

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Speaker 4: have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, and so on.

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Speaker 4: But work is hard. You can to make sure that

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Speaker 4: Plan A is what works out.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious when you were starting your business, were there

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Speaker 2: any resources that you utilize to, you know, figure out

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Speaker 2: what you were doing? Like I can only imagine, like

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Speaker 2: you have to file taxes for the first time, maybe

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Speaker 2: by yourself, so how did you even navigate all of that,

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Speaker 2: and like were there specific mentors that you relied on?

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Speaker 2: Specific resources?

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, this is like the number one best resource

481
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Speaker 4: that I ever came across. It's called score Score. It's

482
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Speaker 4: one hundred percent free, and it's for new business owners,

483
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Speaker 4: so it's completely free business mentorship. Like everyone sign up

484
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Speaker 4: for it right now, and basically what they do is

485
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Speaker 4: they will pair you with a senior executive or an

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Speaker 4: industry leader for free that will help you grow and

487
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Speaker 4: scale your business and provide executive level advice. So let's

488
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Speaker 4: say you have this idea, they'll really poke holes to

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Speaker 4: your idea so that it gets to the point where

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Speaker 4: it's bulletproof, and they'll be like, okay, so what have

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Speaker 4: you done for your taxes? Do you have an accountant?

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Speaker 4: Do you have a lawyer? These are the things that

493
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Speaker 4: you need to do. So personally, in my experience, I

494
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Speaker 4: got paired with an executive ex executive memorial and she

495
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Speaker 4: was a marketing leader and so she helps me through

496
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Speaker 4: a lot of the things that I'm doing with my

497
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Speaker 4: business and helps put me up for opportunities as well.

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Speaker 4: She's amazing. And if you do have other aspirations, let's

499
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Speaker 4: say you are looking for someone who's going to help

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Speaker 4: you SEO optimize your website. They have a whole network

501
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Speaker 4: of mentors so they can cross mentor you so they'll

502
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Speaker 4: pair you with someone who will teach you how to

503
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Speaker 4: SEO optimize your website so that way you can get

504
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Speaker 4: more leads. So that's the first one I think. Another

505
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Speaker 4: resource that I used is YouTube University. There's so much

506
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Speaker 4: information on there about what you can do and people

507
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Speaker 4: who are very good sharing a lot of expert level information.

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Speaker 4: Oh last thing, let people know what you're doing. A

509
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Speaker 4: lot of times we do want to build in private,

510
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Speaker 4: and we might be a little bit shy about what

511
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Speaker 4: you're doing. If people can help you, if they know

512
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Speaker 4: what you're doing, So be loud about yourself.

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Speaker 1: Oh, but it's so embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: No it's not.

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Speaker 4: It's only embarrassing if you let it be embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I feel so cringe when you post things that

517
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I didn't get this or this didn't

518
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Speaker 1: go right. But yes, you're right. There's a community element

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Speaker 1: and I love that. A lot of the tips that

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Speaker 1: you share talk all about how you are building community.

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Speaker 1: But also you don't have to go for broke in

522
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Speaker 1: order to get that access, like the same way you

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Speaker 1: vet if someone is credible or professional or if they're

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Speaker 1: sharing good information. There are a lot of people out

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Speaker 1: there who are doing that, and so I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you for sharing that.

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Speaker 2: I have a few last questions to ask you about,

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Speaker 2: you know, like looking back on your journey now. Two questions.

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Speaker 2: One is like, what's the biggest lesson you've learned through

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Speaker 2: all of that? And then is there something you wish

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Speaker 2: you knew when starting out that you want to share

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Speaker 2: with people? Who are considering a similar path.

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Speaker 4: I think the number one thing that I learned is

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Speaker 4: you have to have an unshakable faith in yourself. The

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Speaker 4: amount that you believe in yourself is exactly how much

536
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Speaker 4: you're going to be able to accomplish. Having that confidence

537
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Speaker 4: in yourself and what you're selling and your own sense

538
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Speaker 4: of worthiness is going to be the absolute game changer.

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Speaker 4: Not to sound like a Disney Channel movie, although we

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Speaker 4: wouldn't be mad about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they had

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Speaker 4: some good lessons in there. Okay, but yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: believing in yourself and working on those limiting beliefs if

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Speaker 4: you do have any, because if you do have any,

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Speaker 4: because I promise they will come up at every single

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Speaker 4: level of success.

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Speaker 1: And secondly, I will say.

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Speaker 4: That work on your wellness and have those boundaries around

548
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Speaker 4: your life and your work, like make sure you're still

549
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Speaker 4: making time with your friends and your family and to

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Speaker 4: do the things that you love. Because when you have

551
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Speaker 4: a side hustle, that's your hobby, that's what you just

552
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 4: love to do, that's your escape. But when that escape

553
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 4: becomes your full time job, it takes on a different

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Speaker 4: place in your life. So make sure that you're refilling

555
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Speaker 4: that first cup, so that way you can still have

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Speaker 4: that joy and you're not burnt out from your passion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you talking about believing in yourself and even acknowledging

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Speaker 1: what I guess can also be considered imposter syndrome to

559
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Speaker 1: some degree is so important because I often think about, like,

560
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Speaker 1: if you don't know who you are, or if you

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Speaker 1: don't know the gifts that you bring when you go

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Speaker 1: on to social media and you see this person your

563
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Speaker 1: age pop in bottles in Miami on the yacht and

564
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Speaker 1: you're like, wait, what am I doing here? Like social

565
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: media can easily make you feel so small, and so

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Speaker 1: you knowing who you are and knowing how to pour

567
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Speaker 1: back into yourself, but also knowing that you are the

568
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Speaker 1: sugar honey iced tea and you to the life at

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Speaker 1: a party, you are the girl when you walk in

570
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Speaker 1: us in there like that is going to help combat

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Speaker 1: some of those limiting beliefs that can creep in. So

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you saying that because I think we

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Speaker 1: all go through it at every stage of our careers.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 2: Also I want to say before we let you go

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Speaker 2: that if you guys are listening to this, it follows

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00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: Jelline on Instagram LinkedIn all the things because the work

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Speaker 2: you do to help people overcome those limiting beliefs. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I was in like a workshop of yours at one point,

580
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Speaker 2: I think is incredible. So if you're looking to kind

581
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Speaker 2: of make this big transition in your life, you are

582
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Speaker 2: definitely a resource to everyone. So give her a follow,

583
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Speaker 2: and I appreciate you coming on the pod. This is

584
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Speaker 2: so much fun. I feel we could talk to you

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Speaker 2: for like literally.

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Speaker 1: Hours about that. I want to know, like write down notes.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, sure, I'm writing down now. I need to

588
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Speaker 1: enroll into class. Girl, Okay, I haven't been postgrad in

589
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: a while, but I'll be postgrad for you.

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Speaker 2: This was so much fun. We really appreciate you sharing

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Speaker 2: all these insights with us. I know so many people

592
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: are gonna gain so much from this.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me, Jamy and Gianna like,

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Speaker 4: this was just the best time it went. It felt

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Speaker 4: like five minutes. I don't know how that went by

596
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Speaker 4: so fast. I could talk to you for hours. As

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Speaker 4: a certified yapper, I could. But it's fine.

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Speaker 1: If you already couldn't tell. We love Charlie and she's

599
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Speaker 1: just one of the many many young business owners out

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Speaker 1: there hustling and thriving coming up. How do you feel

601
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Speaker 1: about sending voice memos? Convenient, annoying? That's next.

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Speaker 2: I'm sad she's gone. I loved that.

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Speaker 1: I am obsessed.

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Speaker 2: So she's the best. No, she's the best. Okay. So

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Speaker 2: a few things that are sticking with me from that

606
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Speaker 2: conversation that Jeannine mentioned is when you are making taking

607
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Speaker 2: that leap of faith, because it really is going from

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Speaker 2: a side hustle to making it the you know, the

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Speaker 2: real thing the nine to five is you really have

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Speaker 2: to support yourself with a support system, right, So you

611
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Speaker 2: mentioned before part of why you've enjoyed your side hustles

612
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Speaker 2: is because it's allowed you to expand your network and

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Speaker 2: then you then have to lean on those people when

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Speaker 2: you are making this big decision to form your business

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Speaker 2: or you know, go into content creation full time. So

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Speaker 2: I love that she mentioned that, And I also thought

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Speaker 2: it was funny when she mentioned having a backup plan,

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Speaker 2: to the backup plan, to the backup land, which is

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Speaker 2: so me because I feel like if I was ever

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Speaker 2: making that leap, you know, the anxiety would be through

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Speaker 2: the roof. So I don't even think you need like

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Speaker 2: three backup plans, but really to say, Okay, this doesn't

623
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Speaker 2: go Plan A, then what is my plan being because

624
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Speaker 2: there are going to be hiccups.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. One thing that can really help with that is

626
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Speaker 1: creating a business plan. Once you really want to do this,

627
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: sit down and really start mapping out what you want

628
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Speaker 1: that business to look like. Because everything you're doing, whether

629
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Speaker 1: it's comparing your competitors to how you want to see

630
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: yourself in the market, it's going to set you up

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Speaker 1: for success. And I feel like it gives the girlies

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Speaker 1: a little bit more structure. And then the last thing

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Speaker 1: I will say that really stuck with me, because I

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Speaker 1: am a woman of faith, is that you have to

635
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: have an unshakable sense of faith in this. Okay. Now,

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Speaker 1: whether it's about you believing in a different power or

637
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Speaker 1: you even just believing in yourself. There are going to

638
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Speaker 1: be a lot of good days, but there are also

639
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Speaker 1: going to be a ton of bad days. Your job

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Speaker 1: is to survive the bad days. And I love that

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Speaker 1: she gave that as an actionable takeaway because I think

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Speaker 1: that if you can conquer those limiting beliefs, you got

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Speaker 1: to tell yourself that you already are the sugar honey

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Speaker 1: iced tea. You gotta look yourself in a mirror and

645
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: say that you are that girl. Yeah, And I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are like but I don't feel

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Speaker 1: confident yet.

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Speaker 2: Fake itaake it, so you make it. Maybe I love that. Okay,

649
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Speaker 2: I think it's time we do some cringe or cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love grinder cool. So if this

651
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Speaker 1: is your first time tuning in, y'all, cringe are cool

652
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: is when Gianna and I introduce a topic of the

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Speaker 1: week and we get to discuss is it cool or

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Speaker 1: is it a little cringe? And I mean honestly, like

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Speaker 1: we've we've been pretty a line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sometimes we're cringing.

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Speaker 1: I think I think we're hard cringing. So, Giana, what's

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Speaker 1: the topic this week?

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Speaker 2: All right? Today we're talking about sending voice memos and

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Speaker 2: set a text messages. And I'm going to tell you something.

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Speaker 2: I am so here for this again. That's let us know. No, okay,

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Speaker 2: this is my thing, which I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 2: subjecting my friends and family to this and if I am,

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Speaker 2: guys letting you know. But I can't string a thought

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Speaker 2: together at the end of the day, especially I type

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Speaker 2: all day. I write all day, like I can't text you.

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Speaker 2: If you need me, call me. And if I'm going

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Speaker 2: to message you, and it's like three, I'm most likely

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Speaker 2: sending you a voice memo. Also like there's nothing like

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Speaker 2: just catching up with the girls over the weekend with

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Speaker 2: voice memos, like sending what happened? I'm so here for it.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think that when I send large chunks

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Speaker 1: of text messages, it naturally gives me anxiety, and I

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Speaker 1: know it for a fact it gives other people anxiety.

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Speaker 1: But when I send a nice voice memo, you can

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Speaker 1: hear it in my voice, like if I'm happy or

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Speaker 1: if I'm sad. I also cannot string a thought to

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Speaker 1: save my life. I very much so have the attention

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Speaker 1: of a squirrel. So like I'm always thinking of things

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Speaker 1: in the moment as So that's kind of the challenge,

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Speaker 1: right because with the voice brain dumb. Though, here's the

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Speaker 1: problem that's me. I'm not going down my philosophical bag.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, okay, I'm you know, I'm sending

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Speaker 1: Gianna a voice memo about this project. But then also,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, Gianna, but then I saw gossip Girl

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Speaker 1: this weekend. But then also do this on my end.

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Speaker 2: Being like, here are the bullet points I need to

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Speaker 2: hit my response.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, the best thing that ever happened was for them

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Speaker 1: to give transcripts to voice memos, because who was keeping up?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was it's homework. Sometimes it's homework. Like

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Speaker 2: if you're sending me a four minute voice memo, now

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Speaker 2: it's homework, which I will, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I've definitely hit the limits of voice memos before, and

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Speaker 1: I kept talking because I didn't know I hit the limit.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think it could ever be cringe? Because

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Speaker 1: I definitely have an idea.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do think it's cringe if it's just a

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Speaker 2: brain dump, Like yeah, I'm not your therapist, I do

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Speaker 2: love you so much, but like you know, keep it tight, yeah,

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Speaker 2: keep it quick. And I think we're also can get

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Speaker 2: cringe if you're expecting a voice memo in return, like

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Speaker 2: some people are not voice memo girlies, and that's totally fine.

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Speaker 2: So I think if you send it out there, like

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Speaker 2: I've definitely sent it to people on the team who

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Speaker 2: I would not ever expect it to send one back,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, just like you know, I give

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Speaker 2: context around the voice memo because when you first get one,

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Speaker 2: you're like, what is this?

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Speaker 1: Right? I want her to click?

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Speaker 2: So definitely give some context because getting it randomly. Ooh,

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Speaker 2: that's scary.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: Well, you guys, let us know cooler. I have a

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Speaker 2: feeling everyone's gonna be like their call.

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Speaker 1: Can you send us voice memos, guys, we would love that.

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Speaker 2: No literally. If for a listener questions, send us voice memos.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of listener questions, thank you so much Louisa for

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Speaker 2: also in my LinkedIn bio.

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