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Speaker 1: phonic novella. Look Radio hosted by Malama Locomotis. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to season four of local radio podcast Rosas Wanted for

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Speaker 1: Crimes against the Patriarchy. We interrupt our regularly scheduled programming

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Speaker 1: to bring you Quarantine Confidential, a special pandemic broadcast about

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Speaker 1: our experiences with quarantine and COVID nineteen. I'm Theosa and

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Speaker 1: I'm Ala. Our intention behind this mini series is to

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us on this year long journey.

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Speaker 1: So last time on Quarantine Confidential all we interviewed the

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Speaker 1: one and only Maria you know Josa about her new

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Speaker 1: book Once I Was You. It was an incredible interview.

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Speaker 1: And so that was the caption for that photo a

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Speaker 1: both American Studies majors. And we were in the same

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Speaker 1: like cohort for our senior capstone thesis situation. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear from Nagaia, who is a grad student at

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Speaker 1: the University of Michigan, and that's coming up in the

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Speaker 1: second half. So hang Kite or Caster and and and

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Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and

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Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and

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Speaker 1: um um um um um um um um um um

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Speaker 1: um um um um um of it and Bill Ship,

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Speaker 1: all right, look on motus today. We are incredibly excited

438
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Speaker 1: to invite onto the podcast Nigeria mentioned. Nigeria's originally from

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Speaker 1: New Haven, Connecticut. She earned her bachelor's degree in Community

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Speaker 1: Health and American Studies and minor in Africana Studies from

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Speaker 1: Tufts University, which is where we met. We're friends from college.

442
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: We were both American Studies majors. So we're very excited

443
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Speaker 1: to invite um Nigeria onto the podcast today. She's actually

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Speaker 1: in her final semester of her Masters of Social Work

445
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: degree and Masters of Public Health dual degree at the

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Speaker 1: University of Michigan and Arbor, where she studies interpersonal mental

447
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: health practice and health behavior and health education. As a

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Speaker 1: health equity and racial justice strategist, Nigeria has been involved

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00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: in and committed to promoting health equity from a variety

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Speaker 1: of approaches, including advocacy, therapy, research, and policy. Nigeria is

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Speaker 1: passionate about promoting the health and well being of black

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Speaker 1: and brown communities, especially women and fems. These days, you

453
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: can find her finishing up grad school while while co

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Speaker 1: facilitating a therapy group for black women, conduct conducting research

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Speaker 1: on black mental health, and fighting for the lives of

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Speaker 1: marginalized folks. Welcome onto the podcast. It's so good to

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Speaker 1: have you. Thank you for having me. Yeah, we've been

458
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: kind of going back and forth on Instagram, UM, you know,

459
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: about things happening in the world, just funny memes, UM

460
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: spending trash like all of the above, and also talking

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Speaker 1: about UM an interview. So I want to start with

462
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: asking you, let's catch up and if you can share

463
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: with us what you've been studying and the research that

464
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: you've been doing. Yeah, So when we finished TUFFS, it's

465
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: like a little break UM. And then I spent some

466
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Speaker 1: time in DC working in the health policy space, and

467
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: I think from that I really realized how much I

468
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Speaker 1: wanted to study mental health UM and really kind of

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00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: create avenues for black and brown folks to be mentally well,

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Speaker 1: UM and try to really bridge that gap that exists

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Speaker 1: between us being well and UM what have you. So

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00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: after that, I decided to go to Michigan. My family

473
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Speaker 1: thought I was crazy. They no one, we don't have

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Speaker 1: any family there anything. But they had a lot of UM,

475
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: really interesting programs that aligned with what I wanted to do,

476
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: specific coursework UM for treating mental health among UM black people,

477
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: researchers who are doing this, and I said, I have

478
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Speaker 1: to be there. So that's what I'm doing now. I'm

479
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Speaker 1: finishing up grad school. UM. I kind of went so

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Speaker 1: that I could really learn how to you UM, develop

481
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: interventions and UM, you know, really develop ways to address

482
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: our mental health needs because UM, we need support and

483
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: we need people who look like us doing it. So

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm there. UM and social work. I've been

485
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: able to learn clinical skills, so I've been doing therapy

486
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: with folks UM and public health has really provided a

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Speaker 1: way to design, implement, evaluate, and kind of scale those initiatives.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Nija for one for being here and for

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Speaker 1: sharing more about the work that you're doing sounds like

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Speaker 1: you're doing innovative, incredible work. So my question for you

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, you began the health policy space

492
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Speaker 1: and you're currently you know, thinking about developing interventions and

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Speaker 1: how to put that into practice for folks that need

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Speaker 1: it right and so, what are what's an example of

495
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: an intervention in that isn't being used right now but

496
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: would be super helpful and necessary for people of color

497
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: in have in crisis, having a mental health crisis. What

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Speaker 1: is that like? Well, how do you envision that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So I think in a dream world, I would want

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Speaker 1: to kind of coordinate what's out there UM from like

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Speaker 1: a grassroots level, state level, and national level around focusing

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Speaker 1: on the mental health of black and brown communities. UM.

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Speaker 1: And so I think there are different types of interventions,

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Speaker 1: but I think having kind of like an way to organize, UM,

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00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: the the great work that's being done UM from like

506
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: a central location. I've seen that happen in other spaces,

507
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: but that would be my dream. UM. I think there

508
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: are different interventions from like a larger scale to smaller scales.

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Speaker 1: So when I think about the stuff that I do,

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Speaker 1: is having maybe a support group that's specifically for black

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Speaker 1: women and fem so or specifically for Latin X groups. UM.

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Speaker 1: At school, UM, I know, Mala. You'll remember at Tufts

513
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: social isolation is real predominantly white university and we barely

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Speaker 1: had any you know, therapists of color at the school.

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Speaker 1: And so having that and then on top of you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of like a lack of a where I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't set of awareness, but a lack of effort

518
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Speaker 1: put towards focusing on our mental health, especially when we're

519
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: navigating so many challenges, maybe being first generation college students. UM.

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00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, looking at like the Associo Economic Peace.

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00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of rich folks at Tufts, and

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Speaker 1: it can get isolating. So m really having groups UM,

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Speaker 1: I think is a really big deal because you know,

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Speaker 1: you have people who look like you and the group

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00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: and you can talk about, you know, things you might

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Speaker 1: not feel comfortable talking about otherwise. So group therapy, you know,

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Speaker 1: support groups is one intervention UM that I have found

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00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: to work really well. UM. And then you know, you

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Speaker 1: have individual therapy. And I think right now, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're in an interesting time with covid UM. Everyone's home

531
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: and we're spending a lot of time on the internet, UM.

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00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: And so even thinking about ways we can leverage social

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Speaker 1: media to support people's mental health UM is really exciting. UM.

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Speaker 1: I work with UM a professor at the University of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Dr Daphne Watkins, and she leaves the

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Speaker 1: Why the Men Project, and that is one intervention UM

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00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: that uses social media to focus on UM, black men,

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00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: embloys mental health. And so you know, there are things

539
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: that are out there, but I think it's important for

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00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, those things to gain more attention. And also

541
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Speaker 1: how do we scale it so that you know, it's

542
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: more common practice UM, and we don't have to work

543
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: so hard to find what we need. Yeah, I'm like

544
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about how you were talking about toughs

545
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: and the mental health issues just even wrapped up in

546
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: like going to school, and so much of that has

547
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: to do with the environment and the cold and like

548
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: you said, like the student body, UM, the Confederate flags that,

549
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, are in Medford, like in people's garages,

550
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: the swastikas found on campus, like so many things added

551
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: to the stress of like an already stressful situation, which

552
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: is school. So I want to know how we can

553
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: take that example and even apply it to right now,

554
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: and how our environment all these multiple factors, the pandemic, UM,

555
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: white supremacy, police violence, fires, and extreme heat and the

556
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: list goes on and on. But how these compounding factors

557
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: can be affecting our mental health. Yeah, it's it's a

558
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: big deal, UM. And I don't know about y'all, but

559
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: for me, it has been a struggle. You know. Yes,

560
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm a therapists, Yes, I studied public health, and I'm

561
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: struggling just like everyone else. And I think it was

562
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: really interesting to notice how, you know, I could be

563
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: providing therapy to someone and they're they're experiencing the same thing. Quote.

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00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: You know, there's they're facing a pandemic. You know, they're

565
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: also faced with UM, increased visibility of racism UM and

566
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: it's traumatic UM. And so you know, I think it's

567
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: really important for us to really pay attent into how

568
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: we're feeling. You know, this is suicide UM Prevention Awareness Month.

569
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: Like having these conversations, I think is one step. Checking

570
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: in with your friends, checking in with yourself, you know, monitoring,

571
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, even how much time you're spending on social media.

572
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: It's traumatic to be watching videos of people who look

573
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: like you being killed, Um, week after week. UM, there's

574
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: a lot of grief that we're experiencing, whether it's grief

575
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: around you know, things you were looking forward to and

576
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: you can't because of the pandemic. UM. You know, maybe

577
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: there were events that you were looking forward to, parties,

578
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, graduation, my graduation in person ceremony was canceled,

579
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: whatever it was. You know, we have a loss of

580
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: normalcy and that's a form of grief, and it's it

581
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: can be problematic when we don't process that grief and

582
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: those um, those tough feelings that we have right out,

583
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: because it feels like there's one thing after the other

584
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of weighing us down. But there are opportunities

585
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: to kind of look at, okay, self care, you know,

586
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: my mental health, my physical health as a form of resistance,

587
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: and what that looks like for you specifically. I'm glad

588
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: you brought up self care, um, I tweeted out the

589
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: other day. You know, basically, is this a good time

590
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: to seek out therapy or are the therapists stressed out too?

591
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: Like how do you take care of yourself as like

592
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: this sort of emotional caregiver to as a profession at

593
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: and in school. How do you take care of you

594
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: in the midst of everything. Yeah, that's a really good question.

595
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I think for me, it has changed over time with

596
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: everything going on. I think in the beginning, you know,

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00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: maybe in March, um, I was doing you I was

598
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: working out, you know, doing virtual yoga, virtual workouts with

599
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: friends who were you know, in different parts of the country. Um.

600
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: And that was helpful for me, you know, when we're

601
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: seeing these like increased visibility of racial terror and violence. Um,

602
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: that was really helpful for me. But then after a

603
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: point it became too much, and I had to say, Okay,

604
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: how about I just go for walks, right, Like, it

605
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to be like a big thing. You

606
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to run a mile. What about walking

607
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: and slowing down things? What about checking in with friends?

608
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: What about you know, back then, there were virtual dance parties,

609
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: vircial zoo. You know, it feels like so long ago,

610
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: but it was only a few months ago. It's wild,

611
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: it's so weird, and it's flying in this this new,

612
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: this new world that we have. So yeah, back then,

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00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: that's that's what I was doing. Um. I continue to

614
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: do therapy throughout that time, you know, seeking therapy for

615
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: myself being a part of groups like I mentioned, UM,

616
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm in a group for black folks and that's been amazing.

617
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: It's led by a black woman, and it's really helpful

618
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: to be seen and heard on multiple levels. UM. And

619
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Speaker 1: now you know, I'm back home in Connecticut. UM, I

620
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: was not playing with the University of Michigan. I'm risking

621
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: my life to be going to the class in person.

622
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: And so I came home. I'm staying with family and

623
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: that has been helpful for my mental health. But this

624
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: first day that I came back, I had slept better

625
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: than I had before. UM, just given everything going on. UM.

626
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Speaker 1: And I think also even checking in with your health

627
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: provider can be self care. UM. They are doing virtual

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00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, video visits. UM. I told my you know

629
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: actor who was a black woman, Hey, I'm having trouble sleeping.

630
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: What are your suggestions? UM? You know, she suggested different things.

631
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, just being realistic about how

632
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: you're feeling and where you are and kind of working

633
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: from there. UM. And I think, you know, we have

634
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: to get creative as well, because maybe some of the

635
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: self care things we were doing before might not be

636
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: available to us. So I love to sauce the dance.

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00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: I don't know when the knights and I'll be able

638
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: to that this, you know, pandemic, and so you know,

639
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: what are other things that I can do that also

640
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Speaker 1: bring me joy that also you know, are helping me

641
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Speaker 1: get through. I was thinking earlier when you said, you know,

642
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: revisiting what our self care looks like. I didn't realize

643
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: until the pandemic hit and businesses were forced to close

644
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: how reliant I was on receiving services as a part

645
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: of my self care, like getting my nails done, getting

646
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: a pedicure, going to a brewery, like after work by myself,

647
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: like I. And so I resonates with me what you're saying,

648
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: like how we have had to rethink about rethink what

649
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: our self care looks like. And so we're in a

650
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: moment of you know, physical distancing, social distancing, but that

651
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: also allows room for isolation, right like you mentioned earlier.

652
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: So what are some You've given some great self care

653
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: tips already, but what are some other ways that folks

654
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: that are experiencing maybe a heighth and level of depression

655
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: of anxiety, what are some ways that they can take

656
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: care of themselves While there may be home alone, have

657
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: less contact with their friends, with their loved ones. Yeah,

658
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: that's a really good question. I know. Um, at one

659
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: point during the pandemic, we were scheduling virtual you know,

660
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: like video check. I feel like I'm the video check

661
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: queen of what's that? And so I feel like when

662
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: the pandemic happen, it was like my moment for everyone

663
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: to be on the same page, UM, to do video

664
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: chats and check in. But um, you know, the depression

665
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: and the isolation, UM is real. Some people are by

666
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: themselves physically, you know, maybe they live by themselves. Maybe

667
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: they don't you know, have a pet or what have you. Um,

668
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: And it gets difficult, and I would recommend people find ways,

669
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, calling or texting. You know, you

670
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: can also do socially distant meetups. Um, you know, the

671
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: public health person and me, you know you can still

672
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: Um I'm thinking about you know, you can go on

673
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: socially distant dates. You can you know, do things outside

674
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: my I've seen you doing roller skating, like whatever your

675
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: thing is. Kind of think about, you know, what is

676
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: it that I can still do. Maybe I can't do

677
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: you know the things that I used to do. But

678
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: what is available, UM. And you know, social media can

679
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: be helpful to like finding things. But I think, UM, really,

680
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: you know that social support UM is a big factor

681
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: to kind of counteract some of that, UM social isolation

682
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: and also maybe some depression, maybe some suicidal ideation, because

683
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: that is also real UM to really kind of be

684
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: another form of support for you. You know, you don't

685
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: necessarily have to go through it alone. You know, you

686
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: don't have to struggle alone. UM. Who was in your circle?

687
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: You know, Bumble, I'm back in Connecticut. Bumble has you know,

688
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: different UM features for like networking and friends, and so

689
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: maybe you're in a situation like me when you're like,

690
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: well maybe my friends moved away because of the pandemic,

691
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: what have you? You know, Bumble has like fine friend option.

692
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: I think it's called BFF. And I met with someone

693
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: today for the first time in a park. You know,

694
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: so just like trying to be creative UM to like

695
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: figure out Okay, you know, who can be my social

696
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: support perhaps in this time of social isolation depression, UM,

697
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: that can really be a big help. Okay, So since

698
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: you brought up Bumble, can we talk about dating in

699
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: the pandemic? So are you dating in the pandemic, how

700
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: does it work right now? From a public health standpoint

701
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: of court. From a public health standpoint I thought it

702
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: was so funny and also amazing that the New York

703
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: City Department of Health UM really early on in the

704
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: pandemic put out like a like a fact sheet about like, okay,

705
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: then you know you are your safest sex partner, you know,

706
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: like the explicit language. And I was like, yes, this

707
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: is what we need. But I think really being realistic,

708
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: you know with the public about okay, what are safe

709
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: ways you can still meet people, you know, still do

710
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: what you need to do? UM And so am I dating?

711
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: I am on dating apps right now, and so I

712
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: mean so far it's just been like socially, just an

713
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: outdoor thing, Like I feel comfortable doing things outdoors. So

714
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: maybe a restaurant has you know, a covered patio outside,

715
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe it's you know, going for a

716
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: walk or something. I don't know, but you know, for

717
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: now that's working. I don't know tv D for the

718
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: windsor but this is where we are right now, and

719
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to not trying to be in the present.

720
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: That's so true, live in the moment, not in the

721
00:46:54,280 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: inevitable snow that's coming. Yes, but I have I've been,

722
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, like it's I feel like we're all kind

723
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: of figuring it out as we go. Yea, what is

724
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: quarantine dating? What is maintaining relationships with anyone during quarantine? Um? Truly?

725
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: Because also the last thing that I want to happen

726
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: is like I don't know, say, like God forbid, knock

727
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: on all the wood, God forbid knock on all the

728
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: wood that like, I like go on a socially distant state,

729
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: and then shortly they're after get sick, and then like

730
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: and now it's this big, this big ripple effect with

731
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: like my family and this person and this I don't

732
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: even know this person, and so those those things like

733
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: also are kind of like running through my head. But

734
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: on the other on the other side of the coin,

735
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: it's like this is a very like inhumane situation that

736
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: our government has sort of forced us into. And there's

737
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: a reason why the other countries acted so quickly, because

738
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: they knew they only had people's attention spans for so long,

739
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: and they had a very short window in which they

740
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: had to act or else they lose everybody. And like,

741
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of that has happened here,

742
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: and it's like I could just kind of be celibate,

743
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, life of her mentitude. I could until this

744
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: is over. But also do I can? I can? I

745
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: still live a little. I don't know. I don't know which.

746
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't know where the line is for me yet.

747
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure that out, you know. Yeah,

748
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: And I think what you said about like knowing where

749
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: the line is for you is important. You know. I

750
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: think when I think about maybe parents right now, you know,

751
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: they may have lost childcare because of the pandemic, or

752
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: maybe now they can't have it back, and so, you know,

753
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: I think there was an article in the New York Times.

754
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, but basically you have to kind of

755
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: assess like, Okay, there's going to be risk either, so

756
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: like what are you what kind of risk are you accepting?

757
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's comfortable for you, that's comfortable for

758
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: your family, right you know? When I was in Michigan,

759
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: I lived with UM two other UM people, and I

760
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: had a conversation like what are we comfortable with? You know,

761
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: I do things outside? What do you do? Having open

762
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: conversations that I think UM can help with some of that,

763
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: you know, ambiguity, um and trying to figure out how

764
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: to still live life um in the midst of a

765
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: pandemic truly. And I was talking to my friend she's

766
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: in her first year, Yeah, very real. My friend Lily's

767
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: in her first year of med school. And she was saying, like,

768
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: it's really important right now to like not be ashamed

769
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: necessarily of like the way you're mitigating risk in your

770
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: own life. And if you are going to the beach,

771
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: like I am going to the beach a lot, or

772
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: if you are going to the park like I do

773
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: go to the park, right, Like, don't you don't have

774
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: to hide that from people. It's just be open that way.

775
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: Folks can decide for themselves, like if they want to, like,

776
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, share space with you at a distance or not,

777
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: or if whatever it is that's going on. It's just like, uh,

778
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: the world that we're in is like if we're going

779
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: to live, like, just do it, you know, to like

780
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: you said, the extent that you're comfortable with or you're

781
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: able to, but also be willing to share that with

782
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: the folks that you then are spending time with just

783
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: because of what's happening, you know, right, that made me

784
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: think of, um, we used to do these like well,

785
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean they're still happening. I'm just not in Michigan

786
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: to do it too. But these Black Joy picnics, Um,

787
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: there are some we have like a group chat Black

788
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: grad group me chat at the University of Michigan, and

789
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: you know, someone just has the idea of like, hey,

790
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: let's have a black Joy picnic, and I think, um,

791
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, one, it was amazing to just like be

792
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: in company with their black folks socially distant in the

793
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: midst of a pandemic, in the midst of all the

794
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: isolation and the the struggle. Um, but then to like

795
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: have a moment of joy as resistance and like listening

796
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: to music and dancing and being free. But something that

797
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: came up with that was also consent. So you know,

798
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: if you you know, if you see someone you know,

799
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: like are you okay with me giving you a like

800
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: do you want to put a mask on to take

801
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: this picture with me? Right? So also like asking people

802
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: what they're comfortable with and having like a culture of

803
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: consent as well as a part of that. Yeah. Absolutely,

804
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: we talked about this on an earlier episode. Um that

805
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: I think the pandemic has forced us to create a

806
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: culture of consent that I don't think people were ready for,

807
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: and also has forced our hand to be transparent. Maybe

808
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: folks that weren't practicing transparency with their loved ones before

809
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: now are are forced to write they have to. UM.

810
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's mitigating what folks are comfortable with.

811
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for sharing everything that you

812
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: did today. UM. Where some working folks keep up with

813
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: your work? Where can people follow you if you're open

814
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: to that? Yeah? So I am on Instagram. UM. I

815
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: have an account called your Faith msw MPH so why

816
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: oh you r f A v M sw mph UM,

817
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: and its public and there I've been sharing some information

818
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: about UM, you know, things we were talking about today

819
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: about you know, how I can stay mentally well during

820
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: this time of extreme struggle. UM. Or you know, just

821
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: things in general related to public health and social work,

822
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: likely related to racial justice. So things related to the

823
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: census and why that's important to us, or voting or

824
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: whatever it is. UM. Just trying to keep people informed

825
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: and sharing my and knowledge around that. UM. I'm also

826
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: on LinkedIn, so if you want to contact me, you

827
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: have more questions, you want to work together. I'm open. Um,

828
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: I've had one other thing that I think could be

829
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: helpful for people because I know I noticed this with

830
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: myself as well. Um, because you know, we talked about

831
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: self care, but also self care could look like advocacy

832
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: for some people. UM. And I think that's relevant right

833
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: now with Black Lives Matter, um, whatever the case may be.

834
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: You know, you're trying to push some change forward, and

835
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: that might be a form of self care for you. UM.

836
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: And it's also important to be mindful of like my

837
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: energy right and I feeling depleted or am I feeling

838
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: recharged after this? You know? Am I taking on too much?

839
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: Do I need to delegate? Do I need to take

840
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: stuff off my place? So I also wanted to mention

841
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: that because I know for me, I'm naga doing the

842
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: most mentioned and I tried to do the both all

843
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: the time. UM, And so really pay attention to, Okay,

844
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: what am I giving my efforts to. You know, advocacy

845
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: can look like a lot of different things. Maybe you're

846
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: talking with family, maybe you're you know, having a book

847
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: club about you know, whatever it is. I saw like

848
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: Melaniated Social Work was doing like parable of the Sower,

849
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: and they were doing like a book club about that,

850
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: but um, you know donation protests. You know, I was

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