1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: We've learned a lot about civilization since Hamas carried out 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: terrorist attacks against Israel, and none of it's good. We've 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: seen a media willing to carry out and push Hamas propaganda. 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: We've seen people in America and Western countries take to 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: the streets in support of terrorists, in support of Hamas. 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: We've seen aa devaluing of human life when people don't 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: see the moral clarity that is necessary to denounce and 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: condemn evil when we see it. And evil, of course, 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: is the slaughter of babies, the slaughter of women, the 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: slaughter of elderly. So what does that say about society? 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Do we as the West and as America, do we 12 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: no longer value human life? You look at a lot 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: of this civilization, all issues that are happening right now. 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 1: What does this mean for the future of the country. 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: The best person to turn to, in my opinion and 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: for these kinds of conversations is Victor Davis Hanson. Of course, 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: everyone's very familiar with his work. He's a senior fellow 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He's brilliant. We all 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: know that we've had him on the show before. We 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: all watch him on Fox News. I mean, the man 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: is brilliant, so I wanted to have him on the 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: show to walk us through where we are as a country, 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: as a people, where humanity is today with the anti 24 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: Semitism that we're seeing around the country and around the world. 25 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: We're also going to get into some other issues like 26 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: what to do about Iran, why the media and the 27 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: left are treating is real different than Ukraine, and a 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: lot of other issues as well. But I think you're 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: really going to enjoy this conversation. I know I learned 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: a lot from it, and I hope you do too, 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: So stay tuned for Victor Davis Hanson. Victor Davis Hanson, 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: It's always an honor to have you on the show. 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: You always have so much wisdom. Are certainly in some 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: pretty scary times as a country and just in the world. 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: Right now, we saw the media falsely blame Israel for 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: a hospital bombing. Were originally told that five hundred Palestinians 37 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: at the hospital in Gaza had been killed by an 38 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: Israeli airstrike. Of course that turned out not to be true. 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 1: Why was the media so eager to believe hamas propaganda? 40 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: Well, I think the media if that could use that 41 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: generic term is a product of the American left. It 42 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: comes out of higher educations, journalism schools. In many cases, 43 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: it's a bi coastal phenomenon, and they understand that to 44 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: succeed in the New York Times or PBS or NPR 45 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: or the Network News or any of these mainstream media 46 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: outlets Reuter's ap you have to have a particular ideology, 47 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: and it's kind of like an insurance policy and dimnity policy. 48 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: And if you were to be conservative or interested or 49 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: somewhat sympathetic to Israel, or at least not biased, then 50 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: you're going to be in trouble. So I think that's 51 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: part of it. And then the other sort of groupthink 52 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: that it just gets to a narrative and then they 53 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: go with it and it gets reaffirmed by on the campuses, 54 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: the whole liberal infrastructure of corporate media, the corporate boardroom, entertainment, 55 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: professional sports, K through twelve, the campus, all the foundations. 56 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: All of these institutions are controlled by the center left 57 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: or hard left, and they become something that people want 58 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: to be a part of, and so you become a 59 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: part of that by spreading these stories that confirm the narrative. 60 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: That Western civilization is bad, America is bad, and Israel 61 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: it is particularly bad because you have the added ingredient 62 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: of anti Semitism. And it's pretty pretty. That story, Lisa, 63 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: was very strange because if you follow the logic of it, 64 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: it was so Islamic jihad was in a rivalry with Hamas, 65 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 2: and it wanted to claim that it killed as many 66 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: Jews as Hamas. So it began firing missiles as well 67 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: towards civilian targets, which is a war crime without I mean, 68 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: the idea phones people. It explains why it's doing what 69 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: it is, but not the so called militants. And by 70 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: the way, no one in the media uses the word 71 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: jihadis terrorists. So when they were doing that, they missed 72 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: or misfired, and they hit this hospital parking lot, and 73 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: then they announced that the Israelis had done it with 74 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: a bomb, even though there was no evidence of a crater, 75 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: that the shrapnel from the rocket was of indigenous or 76 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: Iranian or either Palestinian origin. There were tap everybody knows 77 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: the script now, there were tap phone calls admissions of it, 78 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: so that evidence was very quickly overwhelming. But what I 79 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: was curious about is protests broke out all over the 80 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 2: Middle East and here at home buying the humas Palestinian lie. 81 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 2: But what had happened if the rocket hadn't to hit 82 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: the hospital? In other words, what if these terrorists had 83 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: just sent the rocket killed some people in Tel Aviv 84 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: as was intended. There would have been no protest, there 85 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: would have been no campus disruptions on that particular day. 86 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: We wouldn't have been feeling guilty and handed over one 87 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. And I know that sounds kind of crazy, 88 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: But then Joe Biden, on the way back from the 89 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: Middle East said the following, you know, it's just a problem. 90 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: I don't think they meant to do it. It's the 91 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: old thing, you got to shoot, Meaning if they had 92 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: just shot straight like they intended, then I wouldn't be 93 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: in this mess. They would have just killed some Jews 94 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: and nobody care. 95 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: That was really frightening, you know, Victory, you talk about 96 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: sort of this leftist ideology, the animosity towards Israel and 97 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: really the animosity towards Jews. But we saw the torture 98 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: of innocent people, you know, the slaughter of babies, the 99 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: slaughter of women, the slaughter of elderly. If that's not 100 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: enough to find moral clarity. Now, are we any different 101 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: as a society from terrorists like Camas who don't value 102 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: human life? 103 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: Well, when you say we, I mean that's a collective 104 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: for three hundred and thirty million Americans. And I think 105 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: I was just on online and I just saw a 106 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: poll that said should you give money? And this was 107 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: a local poll here in California on a website, and 108 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 2: that said should we give money to a moss? And 109 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 2: when you click on your preference, it gives you the 110 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 2: immediate result, so very thousands of people and it was 111 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: eighty three percent No. So what we're talking about, I 112 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: think is a very vocal, high profile, but nevertheless small 113 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: minority of people. And yes, you're right there, completely without 114 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: moral bearings, and that's I think also that's amplified by 115 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: our reaction as the host. They know there's no consequences, 116 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: and when every rare occasion when there is a consequence, 117 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: like we had the New York law student who was 118 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: very adamant and bragging about her pro am moss, which 119 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: was really a pro death stance. She was out in 120 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: fatigues demonstrating, and then when this silk stalking law firm 121 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: said you know, we're not going to hire you. She 122 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: almost fell apart and it was almost a cause celeb 123 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: and she was needed counseling. And I think that's part 124 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: of it. We empower all of this, and we don't 125 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: have to be vindictive. I think we really need to 126 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: enforce our moral stance, our moral values, and we need 127 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: to do it home. So if Joe Biden is going 128 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: over to really kind of beg Jordan, which is an 129 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: autocratic but pro American government but nevertheless gets a billion dollars, 130 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: and Egypt gets over a billion dollars, and the Palestinians 131 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: and aggregate get a billion dollars, and they say, we 132 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: don't want to meet with you because we believe this 133 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: outright lie. And even if it is an outright lie, 134 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: which they knew it was, we're still not going to 135 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: meet with you because we can't trust our own street. 136 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: Then I don't think we need to get mad. We 137 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: just need to say we're not going to give you 138 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: any money. And if Guitar says, you know, we're going 139 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: to have Hamas here and you're going to like it, 140 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: I think we can have to say, well, we have 141 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: twenty five other installations in the Middle East, but there's 142 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: no need for us to have sentcom in your country, 143 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: so we're not going to do it. And the same 144 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: thing with our students. We just need to say, well, 145 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: if you want to go out and protest and you 146 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: want to support killers, then we're going to take a 147 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: look at higher education. And if the president of Harvard, 148 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: the president of Stanford can't make it a clear moral statement, 149 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 2: and we're not asking you to make moral statements. That's 150 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 2: been your custom and tradition that you make moral statements 151 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: that are really not central to your educational mission. But 152 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: if you want to do that, then we have to 153 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: do certain reactions. And one of them was we're going 154 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: to tax your endowments and we're going to take a 155 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: sharp look at whether we need to subsidize student loans. 156 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: We think that you should do it. You have a 157 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: particular ideology. You're not fond of the mainstream America. You 158 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 2: take those huge endowments and you back your student loans yourself, 159 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: and at they default, you have the moral hazard. I 160 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: think if we just did that, we would see a 161 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: sharp change in behavior. So we've empowered this. I think 162 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: it's through laxity or fear. But we've allowed a small 163 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: minority here and a large minority a majority abroad, to 164 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: have the wrong impression of us that we're weak, we're 165 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: a moral like they are, and we can't do anything 166 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 2: about it, and we need to stop that. 167 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: But I guess, you know, I'm pro life, and so 168 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: I look at even the movement on abortion from safe, 169 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: legal and rare to up until the moment of birth, 170 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: and it just feels like, as a society, we don't 171 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: value human life anymore. And that is a big differentiating 172 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: factor between us and you know terrorist groups or this, 173 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, radical Islamic, you know religions, right, is that 174 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: they don't believe in the sanctity of life, And I 175 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: just I wonder if we do anymore as a society. 176 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: I think you made a good point. We're getting to that point. 177 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: But I was watching a video of the killers yesterday. 178 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: These are the fifteen hundred that went in slaughtered Jews. 179 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: Not only were they killers and they reveled in killing, 180 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: but when one of them got wounded, they just left 181 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: him on the field. In other words, they went over 182 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: there and they just shrugged and said, you know what, 183 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: leave him to the Jews. And we don't do that 184 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: on our military, and we don't do what Hamas does 185 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: as a collective society, we don't allow that. But I 186 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: think your worry is founded that when you allow eight 187 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: to ten thousand partial birth abortion, that's kind of a 188 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: euphemism killing a fetus a baby and considering it just 189 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: a fetus that you would kill. Then that has an 190 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: incremental effect on a courseing of society. And when there's 191 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: no consequences at all to this pro death movement in 192 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: the Middle East, then there's consequences and it spreads, and 193 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: so I think we're in a kind of a civil 194 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: war as far as our values are concerned. We have 195 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: a strong, well funded minority that is trying to impose 196 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: its values on us. And you're right, it's a moral 197 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: and it says to us if biological males say, at 198 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: this given time they're women, they're going to have a 199 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: right to undress in front of preteen girls in locker rooms, 200 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: or destroy fifth half century of work, to have parody 201 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: among women and males sports, and there's nothing we can 202 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: do about Well, there is something we can do about it, 203 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: and we can't let these people hijack our culture and 204 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: then impose their values on the rest of us. Every 205 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: time that people kind of in a disjointed fashion, even 206 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: push back, whether it's Anheuser Busch or Disney or Target 207 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 2: or against the campuses, they react. They can't fit. They 208 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: kind of melt down, and you can see that the 209 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: power is with the majority. But we haven't. We've kind of, 210 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, a monastery of the mind. 211 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: We kind of just withdraw. Well. I can't deal with 212 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: these people. They're so terrible. I'm going to move to 213 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: Tennessee or Texas if you're in California, or I'm not 214 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 2: going to watch the oscars. I never watch the NBA anymore, 215 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: and that I homeschool put. That's a legitimate reaction to 216 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: the madness, but it's not going to stop the madness. 217 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: We have to engage, gauge these people. 218 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: I am guilty of that because I did leave New 219 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: York City for Floor. 220 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am too, and I live out in a 221 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: farm and I work in Stanford, but I won't live 222 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: in that community. It's just insane and the campus is insane, 223 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: and I try to be there. I try to fulfill 224 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: my duties according to my contract, but I don't spend 225 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: one extra second on that campus, even though I graduate 226 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: graduated from there, and my mother graduated, my aunt did. 227 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 2: But I have nothing but contempt for it. I don't 228 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: mean that me mean way. I just mean that the hierarchy. 229 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 2: I like the students, some of the faculty. I like 230 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 2: the idea of Stanford Medical School, and they do a 231 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: lot of good, but not the way it is manifested. Now. 232 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: You know, Biden on Twitter keeps trying to draw a 233 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: line between the Palestinians versus Hamas, But you know, you 234 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: look at Hamas was elected to power in two thousand 235 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: and six. You can look at polling as recently as 236 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one after that conflict, where the majority of 237 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: Palestinians supported Hamas. You can look at some of the 238 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: things that young children are taught. You can look at 239 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, even teens have been a 240 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: part of, you know, the slaughter of Jews, Palestinian teens. 241 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: So I mean, should we delineate between the two or 242 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: are they one of the same. 243 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: No, they're one and the same. I mean, And you 244 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: can see that with these horrific videos that are just 245 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: now starting to appear in number that when they brought 246 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: back the corpse of an Israeli girl, or a tank, 247 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: a person out of a tank, or there were captives 248 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: and there were crowds surging on them, or even when 249 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: there was a hole in the fence and crowds started 250 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: to follow the killers, there was complete support nobody. I 251 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: didn't see anybody in the crowd say please, don't mutilate 252 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: that poor dead girl. They were eager to do it. 253 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: And you have the same idea out here when you 254 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: see people that are first and even second generation from 255 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: the West Bank or Gaza and their prote they're not 256 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: saying stop the violence. They're talking about Palestine to the sea, 257 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: the elimination, and that means the destruction all Israelis. So 258 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: there is no difference. And why do we say there is, 259 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: because the enormity of the truth is incomprehensible to our elite. 260 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: What would that entail, Lisa, If you said there was 261 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: no difference, you would say that large segments of the 262 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: Middle East despise Western culture. They are hypocritical. They want 263 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: our technology, they want our wealth, but they don't want 264 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: the processes and the foundations that create it. They're pre 265 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: civilizational in some cases, and we should not engage with them. 266 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: We shouldn't be giving money to them, We shouldn't allow 267 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: them to come over here. And you use our platforms, 268 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: our universities with student visas or green cards, and then 269 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: trash the very system that host them. It is kind 270 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: of strange. You see, what we've created is kind of 271 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: a monstrosity where somebody from the Middle East flees Syria 272 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: or Iraq or Lebanon or the West Bank or Gaza 273 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: and they want to come here and they say they're refugees, 274 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: and that means we have to flee the dictators. We 275 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: have to flee the sexism, we have to flee the violence, 276 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: we have to free the poverty, we have to flee 277 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: the corruption the state runs socialism. We want to come 278 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: where it's not there. And once we get here, we 279 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: guarantee you that from a safe distance and given your magnanimity, 280 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: we're going to champion everything we left. And that's what 281 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: they're doing. And we say, okay, it's fine, just trash us. 282 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: We're not going to try to assimilate, integrate you in 283 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: American customs and values. We have no civic education, and 284 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: that's we created this Franket I know, and we created 285 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: a Frankensteinian monsters. 286 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: What does that mean for it? 287 00:16:55,120 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: It means that half the country has no faith in America. 288 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: They believe, they believe sixteen nineteen was the foundational date. 289 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: They renamed streets. They just do whatever they want on 290 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: the premise, on the premise that there is still enough 291 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 2: people who are going to create a free market and 292 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: sustain it and a constitutional system and the rule of law, 293 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: and it's going to be therefore a prosperous place and 294 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: relatively safe, and that they're not going to the left 295 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 2: completely take over. And now what's weird about it is 296 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 2: the left, for the first time in my lifetime, has 297 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: almost completely taken over. They've defunded the police, They've made 298 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: our downtowns unlivable, They've led an eight million illegal aliens, 299 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: and that is starting to affect the architects themselves a 300 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: bi coastal elite. And it's almost as if they're saying 301 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: to us, and you can really see it with a 302 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: shock of a lot of left wing people in the 303 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: Democratic Party think, Wow, these people to leave the squad. 304 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: These people hate us us, they hate America. And so 305 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: we've allowed it to go on so long that now 306 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: for the first time in my life and think maybe yours. 307 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: It's starting to affect the very way we live. The 308 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: safety of our travel, the ability to go to a downtown, 309 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: the assurance that if somebody hits you on the street, 310 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: they will be prosecuted. The idea that an education that 311 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: you go to a college it was memocratic. The students 312 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: will all be of a particular level of competence, the 313 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: faculty can maintain a certain level of rigor. And that's 314 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: not true anymore. And it's starting to filter down to 315 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 2: every aspect of society. That's what I'm most worried about. 316 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 2: There's a breakdown of civilization and brought on by this. 317 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to have the United States work on 318 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: the principles I see in Gaza are even in Europe. 319 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break more with Victor Davis 320 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: Hansen on the other side. You know, the left likes 321 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: to talk about things like decolonization. You know, what is 322 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: the end objective with that? 323 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: For some of these people, when they say decolonization, it's 324 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 2: a it's a part of room, it's a faculty lounge trope. 325 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: I mean decolonization would mean the removal of all Western 326 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: traces from supposedly superior indigenous places. So take the Middle East. 327 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: You would go back to what the Ottomans had, the 328 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: Ottoman Empire that controlled the whole Middle East for four 329 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: hundred years, or the Khaliphate before that, and we know 330 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: what that is. There would be a harem, there would 331 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: be no rights for women, there would be stoning of gays, 332 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: you'd live by Sharia law, and there would be no 333 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 2: pre market. And the only place in the Middle East, 334 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: and I think I've been to every single country, with 335 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: the exception of Iran and maybe one Gulf state, the 336 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 2: only place that works are the wealthy golf sheet and 337 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: they only work because they inherit import thousands of workers 338 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: to do their work, but more importantly, thousands of Western contractors, architects, doctors, 339 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: lawyers to run their system for them and everywhere else. 340 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: To the degree that it's not Western, it's a mess. 341 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 2: And that mess would be everywhere if they decolonized, if 342 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: that's the term they prefer to use, and they know it, 343 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: they wouldn't be able to do what they do. So 344 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: you take representative to leave, and she's screaming and yelling 345 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: and perpetuating this lie. And incidentally, I thought Merrick Garland 346 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: established a principle if you disrupt a session of Congress 347 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: or you occupy the rotunda and you're an elected official 348 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: and you egg that on, then you're going to be 349 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: subject to severe felonies convictions if you're guilty. But nevertheless, 350 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: does she really believe she could go back to Gaza 351 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: as a woman and stand up on a corner and 352 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: start damming the gun men of Amas and saying, you 353 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: know what, you don't give women rights and you're corrupt, 354 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: and you haven't brought sewer and water and powers you 355 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: prompt They would execute her. She knows that she only 356 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: does that. 357 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: It's the hierary of it because you look at you know, 358 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: people queers for Palestine or transfer Palestine, and these people 359 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: would be murdered there. It's like, are they just that 360 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: ignorant or what is the disconnects her? 361 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: Yes, they are ignorant. They don't go there to lead, 362 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: doesn't go over to Gaza, and they none of those 363 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: people want to go back. And in fact, the one 364 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: thing that Donald Trump did, if you remember, that got 365 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: people the most furious. He did a lot of things 366 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: that were really good that really irritated the left, but 367 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: the worst was he issued a travel band almost immediately on. 368 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: I think it was eight countries that practiced terrorism, and 369 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: about five of them were from the Middle East, and 370 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: they went ballistic because they understood that there's a whole 371 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 2: gravy train of visiting fellowships, foundation scholarships, student visas, a 372 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: whole gravy train for people from these illiberal societies to 373 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: come over here and then be pets or ponds or 374 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: court gesters to our left and make a lot of 375 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: money or at least have a lifestyle impossible where they 376 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: came from. And you know, it's almost like, well, please 377 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: come over here and attack us. We enjoy it. And 378 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: so yeah, they're ignorant, and our people are ignorant. They 379 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: don't go over there, they don't live there, and once 380 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: the second generation comes, they don't want to go back. 381 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: And it's all predicated. The rest of us will keep 382 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: creating this system, ignore the criticism, try to maintain two 383 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two years of constitutional custom and tradition, 384 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 2: and therefore they will have prosperity, freedom and security and 385 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: will that means the margin of era is so great 386 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: that they have the luxury to trash the very system 387 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: that they prosper onder and it gets very frustrating for 388 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: the rest of us to watch it. And at some 389 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 2: point some people are going to say, I'm not going 390 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: to do it anymore. And I think that we're reaching 391 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 2: that point. It's very frustrating. Sir. 392 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're all very concerned about just 393 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: the instability that has taking place so quickly under this administration. 394 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: What do we do about Iran? Sir, I mean, I mean, obviously, 395 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, Biden, you know, created this this monster. But 396 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, what do we do about Iran? And you 397 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: know where does this head regionally in the Middle East. 398 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: Half of me says, if you're going to protest on 399 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 2: behalf of Hamas, which is an Iranranian subsidized pond, and 400 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 2: you're an Arab Sunni nation and you know that Iran 401 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: hates you, then that's your problem. We're not going to 402 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: help you anymore. We're not going to give That's half 403 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: of me. The other half says, Look, Iran is going 404 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: to get the bomb, and when it does, it's going 405 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 2: to strike Israel or a European country or US, and 406 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 2: we've got it to deal with it, and we've got 407 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: to accept the fact that Barack Obama created this problem. 408 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: Even under Clinton, we didn't do what he did. He 409 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: had a notion of creating an Iranian Shia crescent that 410 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: meant Iran was going to be empowered the Assads Hesbalah 411 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 2: Lebanon Amas, and that would create I guess he called 412 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: it at one point creative tension in the Middle East, 413 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: and we would tell the Gulf shecdoms that were pro 414 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: American and Israel, we're going to withdraw now, and every 415 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 2: time you do something that we don't like, we're going 416 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: to let this new crescent press back or push on you. 417 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 2: And every time you don't like it will allow you 418 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: and then we'll have this creative ying and yang. That's 419 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: what they did, and Iran, of course took that magnanimity 420 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: as weakness to be exploited. And the next thing we knew, 421 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: this administration came in in that tradition and they allowed 422 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 2: the sanctions to fall and then they got already to 423 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: fifty billion dollars of oil revenue they had. We bought 424 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: hostages with ransom money. I think we'll still probably do 425 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: it at one point two billion scheduled to be paid 426 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: per hostage with sanctioned relief money, and we put this 427 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: Robert Molly, who was a scoundrel and pro Iranian and 428 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: from under FBI investigation now fired. Ahead of the Rand deal. 429 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: We let John Kerry during the Trump administration with a 430 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: lot of misadventures all over the globe, meeting Iranians, which 431 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: is probably illegal, to perpetuate this Iran deal. And so 432 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: they took all of this and they considered. They concluded 433 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: that we were weak, there was no deterrence, and they 434 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: were ready to do something. And then they looked at Afghanistan. 435 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: They looked at what Biden had said about he wouldn't 436 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 2: react to a Russian invasion if it was a minor one. 437 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,239 Speaker 2: They looked at the Chinese balloon, They looked at our 438 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: open border. They looked at the George Floyd one hundred 439 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: and twenty Days of Mayhem, and they said to themselves, 440 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: these people not only appeased us, but they have no 441 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: deterrence left. So they got together about a year ago 442 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: with Amos and they said, you know what, there's some 443 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 2: other reasons as well. We want to stop this Abrams 444 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 2: Accord nonsense. Israel's got internal divisions there. People are not 445 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 2: showing up for IDF recalls for reservists. So this is 446 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 2: a perfect time to go in and murder Jews because 447 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 2: the West is morally bankrupt and is afraid of us, 448 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 2: and that's what happened. So now we have to restore 449 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 2: de terrence. And I think in the sane world, Biden 450 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: put is putting two aircraft carriers there right off the coast. 451 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: They will be right off the coast of Lebanon. They're 452 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: a big, fat target, and yet they have the most 453 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: powerful response ability of any force in the world. They've 454 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: got about one hundred and fifty planes, f thirty five, sixteens, fifteen's, 455 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: they've got frigate, They've got the ability to destroy Hasbelah, 456 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: and they have the ability to take out all of 457 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: Iran's nuclear capability, and if it wanted to be punitive, 458 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: takeout it's water, it's sewage, and its infrastructure power. And 459 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: they just sit there and now it's up to Iran 460 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: and if Iran wants to hit them or do, we'll 461 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: see what Biden does. 462 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: Why do you think, you know, because obviously you know, 463 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: we weren't able to deter Russia from invading Ukraine either, 464 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: and we're seeing a totally different treatment of Israel than 465 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: we did Ukraine and we have Ukraine, right. I mean, 466 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: you don't hear the media and the left call for 467 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, Ukraine to engage in a ceasefire. Yet we 468 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: hear some of those calls. So why is that so disproportionate? 469 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: You know what's behind that? 470 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: I wrote something the other day about it. I mean, 471 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: we say to the world, don't worry about Russia's seven 472 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: thousand nuks, they never use them. Then we say, worry 473 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 2: about Iran. It might start something. We have to be careful. 474 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: We say, stop this cycle of violence, don't be purport. 475 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: You have to be proportionate in Israel. Then we tell 476 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: Ukraine keep fighting to on to Moscow. You have to 477 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: be disproportionate. You have to hit them with everything you had. 478 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: We're going to give you everything. We say to Israel, 479 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: you better be as constitutional net Yahoo, don't trample on 480 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 2: civil liberties. Then we say to Zilinski, it's okay, you 481 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: just suspended martial law. There is no freedom, there's no elections, 482 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 2: you suspend them. That's fine. And I could go on, 483 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: but as you pointed out, there's this asymmetry and why 484 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: is it. Well, one is there's a systematic I think 485 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: a anti Semitism among our elite number two in a 486 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: weird way. The left, it had fixated on Russia under Obama, 487 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: and Hillary had the reset. She pushed the reset button. 488 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: They appeased Putin, They appeased him, they appeased him. They 489 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: said that George Bush had gone too hard with sanctions 490 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: on them because of the invasion of Georgia in two 491 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: thousand and eight, and they were going to They put 492 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: Mike mcfawl over there, his ambassador. They were going to 493 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: appeal to the better angels of Russia's nature, and they 494 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: just snubbed them. They hated them. They treated that weakness 495 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: as a proof of that America was decon and Putin 496 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: just he went to Obama and as Obama said, I 497 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: cut a deal with him. We were going to dismantle 498 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: all of our missile defense with Poland and the checks, 499 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: and then he was going to promise to behave during 500 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: my election. And we did that and he behaved. But 501 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 2: then after the bargain was over, he invaded Crime and 502 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: he invaded the Dombasset. We did do nothing, and so 503 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: they got really angry that Putin. They had reached out 504 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: to him, and they appeased him and then all of 505 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: a sudden, he humiliated them and he gobbled up all 506 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: this stuff, and then he did the same thing with Biden. 507 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: And then there was a final I think Tessa and 508 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: the sick mosaic, and that was they had convinced themselves 509 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: that now that they had been humiliated by reaching out 510 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: and being slapped down by Putin, that he was evil incarnate. 511 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: He's a bad guy, and therefore he was involved with 512 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 2: Russian collusion, and he tried to hurt Hillary and that failed. 513 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: And then they tried the Russian disinformation right before the 514 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: election to help Biden in the debate. Remember he was 515 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: going to the fifty one intelligence authorities and all that, 516 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: and that worked. I think it did affect the debate, 517 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: maybe the election, but it was puven got complete lie 518 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: and both in the impeachments. If there was a foundational 519 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: narrative that Trump was also a traitor or Putin, that 520 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: failed that narrative, and now they finally think, you know 521 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: what Russia is, what we always told you, it's evil, 522 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: as if anybody disagreed, always a Trumpian, and now we're 523 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: going to prove to you by empowering Ukraine, and it's 524 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: going to destroy this Russia and therefore the collusion and 525 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: disinformation and all this conspiracy stuff that we said was true. 526 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: After all, that's part of it. 527 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: Quick commercial breaks, stay with us. 528 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: Before we go. 529 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,719 Speaker 1: I wanted to, you know, even in all of this, 530 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, this conversation that we're having everything going wrong 531 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: in the country, in the world. I worry that people 532 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 1: are underestimating Democrats' chances. You know, I worry that Trump 533 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: might just have too much baggage to be able to win, 534 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: that he might alienate more than then you look at 535 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: what's going on the House, Why would anyone trust us 536 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: to lead? 537 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know who's worse. The Matt Gates 538 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: wing that stopped that stopped Kevin McCarthy, and they made 539 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: it they said, he talks to the Democrats, therefore we're 540 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: going to remove him because we're going to work with 541 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: the Democrats to remove him. Or the Rhino group who said, 542 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: because you got to do that, we're going to get 543 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 2: to do it. And just they're just taking this slim 544 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: one half of one third of government and they're throwing 545 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: it away. And that's really disturbing. And then when I 546 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 2: talk to people, you talk to people in the Trump group, 547 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: and you say to them, listen, these people are serious. 548 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 2: There's four of them, and they're going to indict Donald Trump. 549 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: They have and they said they would never do that. 550 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: And then they're going to get a left wing jury, 551 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: a left wing prosecutor, a left wing judge, and they're 552 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: going to convict him because they've destroyed jurisprudence as we 553 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: know it. But what are you going to do about it? 554 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 2: Do you have a legal strategy? Have you researched? And 555 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: the answer is they don't know what to do. All 556 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: they want to do is raise money for another one 557 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars of legal defenses. And so 558 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 2: I don't think that people quite understand that Donald Trump 559 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 2: will have gag orders, he will be maybe in jail. 560 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: Will he pardon himself he was elected, Will he be 561 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: able to campaign on parole? We don't know, but they 562 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 2: the party is frozen right now. And then we have 563 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: all of these candidates, and to be Frank Lisa, there's 564 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: only two that have a chance, and that's Desanta's and Haley, 565 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 2: and they're very different candidates. I mean, there's a chance 566 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: to be number two. And in case something happens with Trump, 567 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 2: apparent I'm just going on the polls, not my own inclination, 568 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: And it's basically a question of can Ron de Santis, 569 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: who is not as charismatic as Haley but has a 570 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: better record I think of administration and enacting a conservative agenda. 571 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: Can he appeal to the three or four percent that 572 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: Trump could not and you can call them whatever you want, 573 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 2: swing voters, independent, suburban moms, but and he can bring 574 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 2: I think he can deliver the megabase. And then can Haley, 575 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: who appeals to that three or four percent and the 576 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: republic Can she win the magabase? And I'm not sure 577 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 2: she can, but we need to see that needs to 578 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 2: be adjudicated to see which of the candidates can unite 579 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: the party and whether Donald Trump will be viable. But 580 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: when Trump refuses to debate and won't engage in the 581 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: political process and you have all these peripheral candidates on 582 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: the stage, it's kind of the executive counterpart to the 583 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: speaker mess. It's just chaos. And what we again, what 584 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: we really need is a debate about who best can 585 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 2: you unify every element of the Republican Party to stop 586 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 2: this socialist madness that's in power right now, and we're 587 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 2: not getting that conversation. We're not getting that debate. We're 588 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: just getting a bunch of guys on the stage virtue signaling, yelling, screaming. 589 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 2: You know, I have nothing against Tim Scott or Chris 590 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 2: Christy or Mike pinn around Aswami, but they're not going 591 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: to be president. And they've already shown us their abilities 592 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 2: if you want to make them a cabinet minister or 593 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, vice president. So we don't 594 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 2: need that show to go on. And we have two 595 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 2: candidates that have risen in the polls, and let's have 596 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: Donald Trump join the debates and all three of them 597 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: show us what they can do, and then they can 598 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 2: argue back and forth whether Trump is going to be 599 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 2: viable or not given his legal jeopardies. And I think 600 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 2: that's the only thing that we have to do. We 601 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 2: have to do it soon. But we're not doing it. 602 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 2: We're just saying, Oh, Trump is just going to go 603 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 2: through all these legal He's going to be in court 604 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 2: almost every day. I think he's going to be in 605 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 2: court from now until the election every week in one 606 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 2: of these four jurisdictions by intent. And I don't think 607 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 2: that DeSantis and Haiti will have a platform where they 608 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 2: can air their differences and show the Republican Party two 609 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 2: different views of of the Trump legacy, if that's what 610 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 2: you want to call it. And so we're not getting 611 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: a resolution, just like the speaker, and yeah, I'm really 612 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 2: worried about it. 613 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm worried about it too, sir. I think that's wisely stated, 614 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,919 Speaker 1: and I'm glad that try to express my concerns when 615 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm on TV and on Twitter, but people just don't 616 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: seem to want to hear. 617 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 2: It and get very angry. I yeah, you're absolutely right. 618 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 2: When I say this on an interview and then I 619 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 2: get a call from someone and says, are you flipped out? 620 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 2: Or what are you saying? Or how dare you? Or 621 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 2: Matt Gates is my hero? Or you don't ever doubt 622 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and stuff like that, And I'm not doubting 623 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 2: or trying to attack anybody. I'm just out. Our jobs 624 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 2: as outside observers are not to be politically biased, but 625 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 2: to give a disinterested analysis of the conservative movement. And 626 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 2: that's what's happening. It's in disarray, and right now it's 627 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 2: the most golden opportunity they've ever had in fifty years 628 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 2: because the left got power and it destroyed the country. 629 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: And basically sixty percent of the people agree with us, 630 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 2: and yet we can't articulate that to them. 631 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: You know, I just pray that people wake up. Victor 632 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: Davis Hanson, it's always an honor to have you on 633 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: the show, Sir. You are so smart, so wise. I 634 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: always learn so much from you. It's truly an honor. 635 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me listen. 636 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: Those Victor Davis Hanson, always brilliant, always learns so much 637 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: from him. I really appreciate him taking the time to 638 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: come on the show. I appreciate you at home for 639 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: listening every Monday and Thursday, but of course you can 640 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: listen throughout the week. I want to think John Cassio 641 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: am I a producer for putting the show together. Until 642 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: next time.