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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazarre and Alex Barth and Lazarre, Hello.

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Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it. Joined as always buy our Bara. Here

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Speaker 2: is Evan Lazar and Alex bar They are going to like,

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Speaker 2: I hate it and I hate this part about you

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Speaker 2: get over it, running.

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Speaker 3: Back your hat.

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Speaker 2: I wanted that I wanted to do. It is our

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Speaker 2: just running back in the league that matters, and it's

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Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey and he's not on your TV. Dude.

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Speaker 4: I think I listened to that segment like four or

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Speaker 4: five times when I got home that day.

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Speaker 2: It sounds great. It sounds so much worse just listening

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Speaker 2: to the audio than like it actually is. Like it

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Speaker 2: sounds like I'm so much I'm so angry at you,

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Speaker 2: which you know I was. I was a little bit,

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Speaker 2: but not like in a in a personal way. That

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Speaker 2: sounded like I wanted you're a little mad at me. No, right,

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Speaker 2: that sounded like I wanted you to cease to exist.

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know that we just I don't know

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Speaker 2: if we necessarily disagree on the running backs thing. I

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Speaker 2: think that we you just look at it differently and

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Speaker 2: that you have to cover all your bases of what

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Speaker 2: they might do, and I just have no interest in

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Speaker 2: talking about running backs, Like I think that that's the difference, right,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't can't even bring myself to talk about

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Speaker 2: running backs at the top of the draft, even knowing

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Speaker 2: that it's a possibility, like Jimi.

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Speaker 4: Or Gibbs, whereas I, I would rather just get ahead

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Speaker 4: of it and have the discussion, and then if it

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Speaker 4: does happen, you've already had that discussion.

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Speaker 2: I will can't give it credence. I can't give it.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, Blake, Blake korm looked good this week? Did he

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Speaker 4: he did? Did he the rest of the offense didn't? Oh? God,

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Speaker 4: he did?

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Speaker 2: He's fine. The other running back is like Edwards did

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Speaker 2: the same person.

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Speaker 4: So he's a Day three pick rejected.

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Speaker 2: Right, but maybe that's your guy. It doesn't change Edwards guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm a look at the two examples here with Michigan,

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Speaker 2: and both of their running backs run the ball well

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Speaker 2: because they don't matter it does. It doesn't make a difference.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make a difference if it's if it's this

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Speaker 2: guy or that guy, because they have really good blocking

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Speaker 2: and they have a really good offensive line, and whoever

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Speaker 2: gets the football is going to gain yards on the ground.

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Speaker 2: That that's the way that you look at that offense.

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Speaker 2: To me, We're going to talk a little bit of

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Speaker 2: college football here today we are Are you ready? Are

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Speaker 2: you happy and excited? We're gonn talk some college football.

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Speaker 2: I did spend the bye week. This was a good

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Speaker 2: bye week, you know, not just because we got to

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Speaker 2: have a weekend off and that was that was nice,

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Speaker 2: but in general, this was a bye week that I

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Speaker 2: feel like was informative to me in a lot of

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Speaker 2: ways because during the season you don't have a lot

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Speaker 2: of time to watch other teams, to watch college football

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Speaker 2: like things like that. So I was able to digest

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Speaker 2: a lot of some of the narratives, some of the

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Speaker 2: coaching candidates that we're going to talk about here today,

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Speaker 2: the head coaching candidates around the NFL, and some of

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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks in the draft next year. So that's where

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Speaker 2: we're gonna start. We are going to take a break

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Speaker 2: in the second hour for Mac Jones's press conference, which

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Speaker 2: is scheduled for around eleven eleven fifteen, So we'll take

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Speaker 2: a brief break at that time. Alex and I are

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Speaker 2: gonna listen in and digest and then we'll come back

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Speaker 2: and we'll we'll break down what exactly the quarterback said.

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Speaker 2: I can't call them the starting quarterback because we don't

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Speaker 2: know who the starting quarterback is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's probably fair. It's it's a weird week

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Speaker 4: for the Patriots in that respect. But we're gonna get

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Speaker 4: to the giants. We're gonna get to the quarterback situation.

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Speaker 4: We've got plenty of time to talk about that. If

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Speaker 4: you want to join in eight five to five, Pats

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Speaker 4: five hundred is the phone number. Web radio at Patriots

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Speaker 4: dot com is the email if you want to weigh

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Speaker 4: in on the quarterbacks, you want to weigh in the

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Speaker 4: discussion that we're about to have about outside the building.

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Two things I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: with coaching candidates. And I think some people are going

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Speaker 2: to hear this, and I can already hear. Why are

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Speaker 2: we running Bill out the door? You don't know if

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Speaker 2: Bill's not going to be here, that's true, So we're

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Speaker 2: just this is just exploratory. This is just in case

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about some of the guys we like.

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Speaker 4: I even say this, there's been you know, a lot

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Speaker 4: of smoke about Bill Belichick potentially moving on. You've heard

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Speaker 4: and it's not even necessari saying Bill getting fired. Maybe

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Speaker 4: Bill wants to move on. Maybe where there's smoke, there's fire.

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Speaker 4: I'm a genuine believer of that in that. Yeah, So it's.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's fabricated smoke or not. There's still there's reason

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Speaker 2: they're two and eight. There's reason to think that the

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Speaker 4: Right, And on top of that, we like talking football

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Speaker 4: philosophy on the show, and I think where this conversation

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Speaker 4: Patriots into deeper football philosophy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely so. On Monday, I spent some time watching

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Speaker 2: the league. I did spend some time watching Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 2: just poetry in motion. But I also watched a lot

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Speaker 2: you know, Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowick, these are some of

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Speaker 2: the names that we're going to talk about, a lot

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Speaker 2: of these guys Alex are really inexperienced, like they've only

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Speaker 2: maybe you have some growing pains early on as a

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Speaker 2: at some point in time you just got to jump

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Speaker 2: they ran a really cool handoff to Aman Ross Saint

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Speaker 2: even though their pass game, I wouldn't say the pass

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Jared Goff wants to

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Speaker 2: And I think what Ben Johnson does a nice job

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Speaker 2: that's where a good offensive coordinator comes in. And I

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Speaker 2: think that that's just my general takeaway of watching all

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Speaker 2: I didn't this wasn't necessarily the game to be really

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Speaker 2: impressed with Ben Johnson, right, like you know, Jared Goff,

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Speaker 2: I think through three picks in the game or something

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Speaker 2: they're really fundamentally sound. They have a really diverse running game,

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Speaker 4: And honestly, I would say even within that game. For me,

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Speaker 4: what's my critique with all these coaches is that they

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Speaker 4: can't manage a game. They're all one note coaches, and

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Speaker 4: if what they want to do doesn't work, they just

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Speaker 4: guess we're not winning this week. Yeah, their initial game

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Speaker 4: plan didn't work, he adjusted out of it, they still

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Speaker 4: won the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Not a lot of young coaches can do that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: I mean some of that is obviously on Dan Campbell

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Speaker 4: as well, and I think Dan Campbell's an excellent coach.

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Speaker 4: I know you probably disagree with me.

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Speaker 2: Oh in what sense most of them like, Oh, motivation, Sure,

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Speaker 2: I think motivation. I don't think he has anything to

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Speaker 2: love his game management. Okay, no, schematically offensively it's all.

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson would agree with that. But I think that

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Speaker 2: Dan Campbell's a you can win because of, not just

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Speaker 4: The thing I like about Ben Johnson is he takes

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Speaker 4: a lot of these new ag things that you want,

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Speaker 4: like you you Evan want, and he kind of makes

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Speaker 4: the mouth football. And I love the marriage of those.

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Speaker 4: Like literally, it's if me and you put together an offense. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: fifty to fifty that's what it would look like. So

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Speaker 4: naturally we're both going to be a fan of his.

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Speaker 4: I like the way the teams put together. I would

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Speaker 4: the GM conversation becomes a part of it too. A

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Speaker 4: guy like Ray Agnew, who was with the Rams helped

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Speaker 4: I think you're Garrett Wilson comp is excellent. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a lot of this, but I've been really impressed with

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00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 2: how slowk has gotten him from point A to point B. Well.

435
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Speaker 4: I say this all the time, even if Stroud is

436
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 4: naturally good, you still need a coach who's able to

437
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 4: I mean, nobody's perfect at everything. You need a coach

438
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 4: who's able to identify what he's good at, you know,

439
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 4: and build the offense around that. And slow it's done

440
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 4: that the other guy. Like I'd be really interested if

441
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 4: if they hire Bobby Slowick of having Jarraw Johnson come

442
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 4: with him, who's the quarterback coach there and that duo,

443
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 4: because I think draw Johnson deserves a lot of credit

444
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 4: in this as well, obviously as the quarterbacks coach. For

445
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 4: what CJ. Stroud's doing. Do they each bump up a

446
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 4: spot and Slowik is the head coach and Jarraw Johnson's

447
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator. Yeah, I think you can't not be impressed.

448
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 4: And this is what happened. Josh McDaniels was unhirable for

449
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 4: three or four years after the Colts thing fell apart.

450
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 4: Mac Jones is a good rookie season and suddenly he's

451
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Speaker 4: back on the board. There's a reason for that. A

452
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 4: coach who proves he can develop a young quarterback, even

453
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Speaker 4: a guy with a pedigree like CJ. Stroud, top pick

454
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 4: coming out of Ohio State, top recruit, all that. If

455
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 4: you prove you can make that young quarterback as a

456
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 4: rookie a winner in the NFL, teams are gonna want

457
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 4: to hire you. I was initially hesitant about Bobby Slowick

458
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 4: early in this process because actually, gotta give my brother

459
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 4: credit because he texts me he's like, what do you

460
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 4: think of Bobby Sloweck?

461
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: No way.

462
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. He text me like a month ago. Well, I

463
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 4: mean it was he goes, what do you think of

464
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 4: Bobby slow CJ. Straud's playing. I was like, he's so young,

465
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 4: But like I'm looking at now CJ. Strodd the last

466
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 4: couple weeks and I'm like, it's basically what you said

467
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 4: off the top. Yeah, he's young, he's not experienced. Nobody's

468
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 4: gonna care. Yeah, nobody's gonna care because of the success CJ.

469
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 4: Stroud's having. If you want him, this is gonna be

470
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Speaker 4: the offseason you go get him. And Yeah, you can't

471
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 4: look at that and not see and not be excited

472
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 4: about what he's doing with a young quarterback. And again

473
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Speaker 4: I want to give Draw Johnson credit as well the

474
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 4: quarterbacks co That is a duo, I think, and I

475
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised if Jarrad Johnson follows Bobby. I'm sure

476
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 4: the Texans will try hard to keep him as their

477
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, but I would not be surprised if that's

478
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 4: a guy Bobby slok wants to bring along. You gotta

479
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 4: look at that duo and be like, these guys are

480
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: what you want if you're trying to bring along young quarterback.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the one the one thing with Bobby

482
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: Sloeck that I do wonder and it's nothing against him

483
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: as a coach, but he watched Demiko Ryans take his

484
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: time with becoming a head coach. Like Demiko Ryans probably

485
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: could have been a head coach like one or two

486
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: cycles ago, and he only took the job this year. Yeah,

487
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 2: So I do wonder if Bobby Slowik looks at that

488
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: and says, maybe I should I shouldn't just jump at

489
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: the first opportunity to be a head coach. It's gonna

490
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: be there for me. Let me learn on the job

491
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 2: a little bit longer. So maybe he doesn't take a

492
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: job this cycle, maybe he waits until the next one.

493
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Speaker 2: But he reminds me a lot of McDaniel McVeigh, Like

494
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: those guys were probably a year or two before they

495
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 2: should have had the big job, but they were going

496
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: to be head coaches, and those teams jumped on it

497
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: and they benefited from it. A last thing on Slowick,

498
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: I think what he also does really well in the

499
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: past game A lot of his concepts have levels to

500
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: them for stroud and then like the backside will have

501
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: like a one on one route, so he can read

502
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: the levels side of the field where you have like,

503
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: you know, something in the flat, then you'll have like

504
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,239
Speaker 2: an intermediate, and then you have a deep and then

505
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: you can also then come off of that and then

506
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: read backside. So it's kind of like a half field

507
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: read in some ways. But he does have that one

508
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: on one backside to go to if he wants to.

509
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: He hit it a couple of times in the last game.

510
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: The touchdown of Tank Dell was example of that backside

511
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: one on one happening. But it's not like as complex

512
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: as some of these like full field progressions that you

513
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: see in other places. And I think that's a big

514
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: part of why Stroud as a rookie is succeeding. So

515
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: those are the first two names. Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowick

516
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: we've mentioned just quickly. We mentioned the Enemy in the past.

517
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: We talked about him in the Commanders. I don't want

518
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: to spend too much time on B Enemy because of that,

519
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: because we spent a lot of time when the Patriots

520
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: played Washington. We all know that B Enemy has a

521
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: pass that has to be considered when it comes to

522
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: being a head coach. I don't want to get too

523
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: much into that either because I don't know enough about

524
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: it to really talk about it. But the bottom line

525
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: is is that's going to be a factor on whether

526
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 2: or not he can become a head coach. He's the

527
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: most by far in terms of football, the most qualified

528
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 2: candidate to be a head coach in the league. Yes,

529
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: and he probably should be, so I would say that

530
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: he's definitely on this list too. But the last one

531
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: I want to point to is Kellen Moore in Los

532
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: Angeles now, So this is another one of those guys

533
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: that he's coordinated Dak Prescott now justin Herbert. So he's

534
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: got two top ten quarterbacks in the league. So some

535
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 2: of that success might have to do without having two

536
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: really good quarterbacks. But I think what Kellen Moore does,

537
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: first of all, you know me, like do the run

538
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: game on your own time, right, So, like Kellen Moore

539
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: is gonna come in here and he's gonna try to

540
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: score or thirty points a game. There's no doubt about that.

541
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: Like that's gonna be the entire thing. And I think

542
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: that that's something that I hope is gonna happen with

543
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: the next regime or whether it's Belichick learning or the

544
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: next regime, is that they have to start getting to

545
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: outscoring teams. Like that's the league now. If you're not

546
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: scoring twenty five points a game, you're not winning a thing.

547
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: That's just the bottom line in the NFL now. So

548
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: I think that he has that mindset. I think he

549
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: does a good job of His offense is pretty traditional

550
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: in terms of what they do, but it has some

551
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: new age flare to it. So he's going to bring

552
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: some of those things in a lot of ways. I

553
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 2: think it's kind of like Bill O'Brien's offense and what

554
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: the Patriots have been trying to do. But he's just

555
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: a younger, you know, more in tune with the way

556
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: that athletes are playing these days, I think than some

557
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 2: of the guys that are in the building right now

558
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: for the Patriots. So I like Kellen Moore. I'm not

559
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: in love with Kellen Moore like I am with the

560
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: first two guys on this list, but I think that

561
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: out of all that group taking the enemy out of it,

562
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: he's been coordinating for longer than anybody else in this group.

563
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: So he's got a ton of experience doing that. The Chargers,

564
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: I think, are gonna seriously consider just promoting him. Honestly,

565
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 2: I think because you're guy, Brandan Staley's done, He's not

566
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: getting the job.

567
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 4: He's a bat. The math lost. I can't believe it.

568
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is one part of the Chargers for

569
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: Bill that I don't really understand. I can't really wrap

570
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: my head around. I understand that the Chargers are an

571
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: appealing spot from Belichick's perspective because they have the quarterback

572
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: and they have the talent. I understand that for the Chargers,

573
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: maybe they think you know your thing with like the

574
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: CEO elements of coaching, that Bill can teach him how

575
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: to win and manage them late in games and like

576
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: get them over the hump in that sense. But if

577
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: you're the Chargers, Justin Herbert is your prized asset and

578
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: pairing him with a seventy two year old head coach

579
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: that wants to win game sixteen to thirteen, Like, I

580
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: just don't really understand that philosophical angle. Him and Kellen

581
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: Moore would not get along. Kellen Moore didn't get along

582
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: with Mike McCarthy right, right, So him and Kellen Moore

583
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: are not going to get along. That's not gonna be

584
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: a pairing that's gonna make much sense for the Chargers.

585
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: So if Justin Herbert vouches for Kellen Moore, I could

586
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 2: see Kellen Moore remaining in Los Angeles, whether it's as

587
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator or as the head coach. But I

588
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: think that he's a name to consider as a head

589
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: coach moving forward. And he's got that like Kevin O'Connell

590
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: thing too, or like he was a quarterback so he

591
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: kind of understands the musician and that sort of thing.

592
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: I always like that element of it too.

593
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 4: I will say this too with Kellen Moore. Let's say

594
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 4: that the Patriots are going to go with Well, here's

595
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 4: a couple of things. One, can you get him. I

596
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 4: don't know what contract situation is, but there's all this

597
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: rumor about trading Bill. Yeah, could you make sure you

598
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 4: secure Kellen Moore without having a bid for him if possible?

599
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 5: The charters.

600
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 4: The bigger point is, let's say, Michael Pennix is a

601
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 4: serious consideration for one in one way or the other.

602
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 4: One of the biggest knocks on Pennix is a lot

603
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 4: of coaches don't want to design an offense around a

604
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: lefty quarterback because you kind of have to change everything

605
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: and they're just not used to it. They're used to

606
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 4: doing that. You know, your left tackles your blindside protector. Right,

607
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: you're designing all your rollouts to the right, and on

608
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 4: and on and on. Kellen Moore is a lefty who

609
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 4: played quarterback in the NFL, So you're the lefty. Kellen

610
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: Moore's lefty yeah, oh.

611
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: So, I didn't even know that angle don't. I don't

612
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: know that this is the biggest thing.

613
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: But like, if you're going to bring in Michael Pennox,

614
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 4: I don't know that there's anybody better to design an

615
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 4: offense for Michael Pennock. And by the way, the skill

616
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: set for penis kind of like justin Herbert's yeah, a

617
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: little bit big arm, likes to be aggressive, throw the

618
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: ball down the field, but can hit underneath when he

619
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 4: needs to. Who better to design an offense for Michael

620
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: Pennox than Kellen Moore, who appreciates that skill set, It

621
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: knows the challenges of managing around a lefty quarterback better

622
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: than anybody. Kellen Moore's last last lefty in the league

623
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: before Tua.

624
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah so, and there's not a lot of lefties.

625
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: Put put however much weight you want into that. I'm

626
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: not saying like, Okay, they need a higher Kellen Moore

627
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: and draft Michael Pennox and that's the best possible combination.

628
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: But it is a factor. It is a factor, and

629
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: I don't think it's worth nothing. So, I mean, that's

630
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: the kind of thing I thought you'd roll your eyes at.

631
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: I kind of like know you you appreciate it well.

632
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: So McDaniels talked about it a little bit about having

633
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: to You mentioned rollouts, you mentioned, you know, the blind side.

634
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: It's also he's gonna favor throwing to his right right,

635
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: whereas righty quarterbacks will favor throwing to their left. So

636
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: all of their like half field concepts and things like that,

637
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: all of that now needs to be on the other

638
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: side of the field.

639
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: And and that's that's harder than it sounds. Yeah, when

640
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: you've been designing offenses a certain way your whole life.

641
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, so uh interesting list, and we're gonna

642
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: spin it here in a second.

643
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: Do you want to can give you one more name?

644
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: You can't.

645
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 4: I got you're gonna hate this, But I got to

646
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: ask this the other day. I really didn't know what

647
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 4: to think of it, and I always butcher. This guy's

648
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: name lou An Aroma.

649
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: So lou and Arumo is a fantastic defense.

650
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 4: The defensive coordinator for the Bengals. Like I don't believe

651
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 4: he's never been a head coach.

652
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: No, but he's one of the best defensive minds in

653
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: football right now. He got called a mad scientist last year.

654
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: Remember that Eli Apple he's fantastic. Yeah, he's really really

655
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: good at his job. I here's the thing, you know,

656
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: we were just talking about Demiko Ryans and the Texans

657
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: and Slowik. Slowik's gone like slow It's gonna get hired

658
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: for a head coaching job, whether it's this cycle, next cycle, whatever.

659
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: So the Texans are going to be in the same

660
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: spot that we're talking about where they have Demiko Ryans,

661
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: who is one of the best defensive coaches in football.

662
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: I think he might be one a great leader too.

663
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: He's everything you wanted a head coach. He's gonna cycle

664
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: through offensive coordinators like they're going out of style because CJ.

665
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: Strouz is gonna keep on playing guys into jobs. Right,

666
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: So at what point does that that has to matter?

667
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 6: Do?

668
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: I think it's everything? I know, Like, I still think

669
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: you have to hire the best guy for the job.

670
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: I do believe in that. But lu Ana Rumo is

671
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: a good name. I think that he is. He runs

672
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: a system defensively with the Bengals that's not all that

673
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: different from what the Patriots do now. He has all

674
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: like if you're playing the hits of like you know film,

675
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: Twitter's favorite little defensive wrinkles like keeper pressure, simulated pressures, things, uh,

676
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: post snap coverage, disguise like all that kind of stuff,

677
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: Like they do all of it in Cincinnati, and they

678
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: do a really good job of it. I don't definitely

679
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: would consider him on the list. Like if they were

680
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: to have like a really widespread interview process and we're

681
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: talking about interviewing six eight guys, I would definitely bring

682
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: him in for an interview.

683
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: The Buffalo Bill should offer him the bag. That's my

684
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: take on Louin and Romo, because he knows how to

685
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: stop Josh Allen better than anybody, and he can reverse

686
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: engineer that.

687
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: I'm serious, So you can you can or you know,

688
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: you just take away the job.

689
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 4: And there's some of that too. Yeah, No, it's it's

690
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 4: I he's such a different candidate because all the guys

691
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 4: were talking about offensive mines, you know, played in a

692
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 4: lot of them played in the league recently. They're younger.

693
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 4: We're talking about guys. I think the oldest guy who

694
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 4: just discussed is thirty nine years old, right, Louis Marimo's

695
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: fifty seven lifelong defensive coach. Very different kind of candidate.

696
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 4: But if if you and I use this term, very

697
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: lately like the next Belichick if you think Belichick maybe

698
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: isn't the guy, but you want somebody who's going to

699
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: bring He has a military background in Romo. Does you

700
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: know he's been around the game a long time if

701
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: you still want that kind of background. But you just

702
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 4: think it's time to part ways with Bill. And I'm

703
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 4: not saying that's the route they should go, but if

704
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: that's the route they want to go, I think Loui

705
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: an Romo is probably the best guy for that.

706
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: He's definitely if you're talking about just strictly defensive guys

707
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: on this candidate list, other than girod Mayo, he's the best.

708
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: He's the best defensive candidate on the market. Would I

709
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm not just I know this is probably

710
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not because like, yeah, they the Titans

711
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: play hard. Uh their competitive football team. They haven't won

712
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: Jack Squat with Rabel, They really haven't. Like they they

713
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: they went through a period of time with like the

714
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: Tannehill Derrick Henry years where they won a really bad

715
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: AFC South. They they won a really bad division, Like

716
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: the Jaguars were laughing stock. Uh, the Colts were, you know,

717
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: starting like Philip Rivers and Carson Wentz right like they

718
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: they had never had a quarterback Houston was Houston. I

719
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: I just don't really see what other than the fact

720
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: that he played here and with successful player here, has

721
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 2: a Patriot pedigree and is a good motivator like he's.

722
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: But I think that's what the value is is if

723
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 4: you're trying to get back to that identity, the old

724
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 4: school Patriots way, nobody is going to be able to

725
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 4: instill it better than he can.

726
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: That's fair, and I don't think that's nothing.

727
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 4: I'm not saying i'd high or solely based off that,

728
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 4: but I think a guy that was in the building

729
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: really and I know Mayo was in the building for

730
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 4: Super Bowl too, but for those first three who saw

731
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: it built up from what it was.

732
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: I think that that's where it is for me. Is

733
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 2: that from what I've heard. And I understand that Vrabel's

734
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: appealing because he has all this head coaching experience that

735
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: Girod Mayo doesn't. But from what I've heard, if you're

736
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: gonna go defensive minded and you're going to try to

737
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: middle it with like the Patriot way, but something a

738
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: little bit different from Bill and like all that kind

739
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: of stuff I would rather. I would rather Drod Mayo. Okay,

740
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: because I from what I've heard from about Dirod Mayo,

741
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: who is on my list by the way, like I

742
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 2: didn't name him because he's not an X turn.

743
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: We've talked a lot about him yet.

744
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 2: But from what I've heard about Girod Mayo is that

745
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: he understands two things. One, he understands the modern like

746
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: the today's athlete, because he's younger and he's in tune

747
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: with that sort of thing. The second thing is is

748
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: that I also think that he understands where the game

749
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: is going, Like he understands that the game is not

750
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: You're going to have to have a really good offense

751
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: to win in this league. I'm not sure Rabel thinks that.

752
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 2: Like I'm not sure if Rabel is on that level.

753
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: Because if Rabel was on that level, then the offenses

754
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: that they've rolled out in Tennessee, which have been run

755
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: first built around Derrick Henry and shortening games and winning

756
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: games like twenty to seventeen and things like that. I

757
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: just his vision in Tennessee has not necessarily lined up

758
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: with an offensive minded organization. Yeah, and I think Girod

759
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: Mayo would steer a little bit closer to that. But

760
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you mentioned, you know, pairing quarterbacks with

761
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: coaches and things like that, because we are going to

762
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: talk about the college quarterbacks here, because I do. I

763
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: have a preliminary list for Yaux. I have a top

764
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: five preliminary list. I know you've been waiting for this

765
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: on waiting for me to actually have a take on

766
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: some of these quarterbacks. So I do. But I want

767
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: to get to the phones first and then we'll do that.

768
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: Colleen is in Houston, what's up calling?

769
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 5: Hey guys.

770
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 7: First of all, this is definitely my favorite Patriots show.

771
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 7: I love how.

772
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 6: You don't phone down the nerd like that, but you

773
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 6: also don't be little people when they have basic questions,

774
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 6: so I really appreciate that.

775
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: Thank you.

776
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 7: I have two questions. The first one is about the

777
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 7: draft and it's not super interesting, but we need to

778
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 7: free safety, so I was wondering who I should look

779
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 7: out for for free free safety for the twenty twenty

780
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 7: four drafts. And the second one is more fun. Say,

781
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 7: we have the fifth overall picks and Drake May, Caleb Williams,

782
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison Junior, and Joe Alt are gone, what do

783
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Speaker 7: you do?

784
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks guys, good questions. Colin, thanks for the call.

785
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: You got a free safety, Alex, but you know it's

786
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: a first round free safety. I know people are going

787
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: to roll the around.

788
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Camp Kitchens is I forget what show I said

789
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: this on, Like maybe in four years when he's a

790
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 4: free agent, like this is if they're still running the

791
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: same defensive system. This is the guy that's gonna be

792
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 4: a top A lot of free agent boards for him.

793
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 4: Camer Kitchens for Miami, just an awesome player.

794
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 2: Uh.

795
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people like Caden Bullock from

796
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: USC who's kind of a Day two guy. I like

797
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: Steve Stevens, that's his real name. Steve Stevens from Oregon

798
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: is another one. I haven't gotten too deep. I keep

799
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 4: saying I'm gonna get deeper into this class yet. Uh,

800
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 4: and I'm working on it. But they do need a guy.

801
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: I wouldn't rule out free safety being a free agent

802
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 4: signing too, Yeah, just because I think that's a position

803
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: where maybe you want some more experience. It would have

804
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: made more sense to draft a guy when Devin mccorty.

805
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: Would have been made more sense to like get ahead. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

806
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: Devin mccorty. We sometimes you would like to do that

807
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: at one position, maybe free safety, so you tackle, maybe quarterback,

808
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 2: maybe receive, right, It's it's it's tough because like any position,

809
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 2: not third down running back.

810
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, most of the top free safeties that are draft

811
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: eligible or like red shirt sophomores and juniors and stuff.

812
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 4: So I'm not I don't go all in outside of

813
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: guys who are protected me like first round picks. Let's

814
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: wait and see who declares for the draft and who

815
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: goes back to school. But but we'll we'll definitely get

816
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 4: into those names more as we go on.

817
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: The guy that you mentioned from Miami. Uh he there's

818
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: not a whole lot of guys that are like true

819
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: center fielders that are that high, that go that highly

820
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: in the draft anymore. Like most of the times it's

821
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: like a Derwin James type player, right, that goes that high.

822
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: That's these like Kyle Duggar types, these versatile, you know,

823
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: do everything type of safeties. That guy is is a

824
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: true ballhawk center fielder, right, and he's got incredible range

825
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: and instincts in the deep part of the field. If

826
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: they didn't have like seventeen other needs. I would say

827
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: that that he would be squarely on the board if

828
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: this was like three years ago. That's the guy we're

829
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: that's the guy we're talking about. Yeah, agreed the second question,

830
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: So the big four, I think we should call it.

831
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, Drake May, Joe Alt, Marvin Harrison, Junior Olho

832
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: can be in there too, so I would probably so

833
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: to answer her question, I would probably say Olafashanu would

834
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: be the pick at five. Yeah, if those four guys

835
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: are off the board, I don't really see. I think

836
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: there's a pretty pretty big drop off at quarterback between

837
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams and Drake May to like the next wave

838
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: of guys, So I don't love I think you're kind

839
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: of getting into that position similarly to what happened with

840
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: a lot of teams in the twenty one draft, where

841
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: like you're just taking a quarterback to just take a

842
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: quarterback at that point because you need a quarterback. I

843
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily do that if I'm the Patriots. So if

844
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: you're not getting one of the top two guys, and

845
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to this in a second, I do

846
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: think that you're talking about position players at that point.

847
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: You know, like an Ola Fashanu or along those lines.

848
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know that I'd take Michael Pennox

849
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 4: at five. I definitely wouldn't be afraid to move back

850
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 4: a couple spots. Take Michael Pennox and add another top

851
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 4: one hundred pick, especially if you then take what you

852
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 4: gained for moving back and move back into the first round.

853
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 4: I don't think the drop off is as big from

854
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 4: that top tier of Williams and made down Pennis. Okay,

855
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 4: it's it's there. It's a different kind of player. I

856
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 4: think with Caleb Williams and Drake May, you're talking about

857
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 4: guys who you're you're expecting them to be CJ. Stratt,

858
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 4: You're expecting them to be a clear franchise quarterback in

859
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 4: year one, where Michael Pennix is a guy I think

860
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 4: can be a year one, week one starter, but maybe

861
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 4: it's a year or two until he's that franchise guys

862
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 4: a little bit further along. I'm okay with that if

863
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 4: you use, if you create other assets to build around him. Right,

864
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: Let's say you trade down a little bit, take Michael Pennix,

865
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 4: move back up. You take Roma Dunes, a great excellent

866
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 4: the guy I'm not really interested in. And I know

867
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 4: people are gonna roll their eyes at this, but I'm

868
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 4: really not that interested in brock Bowers. I think tight

869
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 4: end's a luxury pick. I think you get to pick

870
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 4: a tight end when you have other pieces in place.

871
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: Building an offense around brock Bauer. He's very talented, but

872
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 4: building an offense around brock Bowers is tough because he's

873
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 4: just not gonna be able to make that kind of

874
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: impact on his own. It's kind of like the Marvin

875
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 4: Harrison thing, but even more so. And I know there's

876
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: some player usage involved in this. It's kind of what

877
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: the Falcons try to do with Kyle Pitts. Yeah, and

878
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 4: he's kind of been a disappointed or even you know,

879
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: it's it's also kind of like t J. Hockinson with

880
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 4: the Lion.

881
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Patricia was there where it's just, yeah, you

882
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: might have his well rounded, great.

883
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 4: A really good player, what's he changing?

884
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: So the only way that a tight end is worth

885
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: it at that point in the draft is if he

886
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: turns into Gronker Travis Kelsey, right, and expecting that out

887
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: of anybody, even brock Baer is just and.

888
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 4: Look, I would say that like they're gonna need a

889
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 4: tight end. This is a really good tight end class.

890
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: You're gonna get really good players down the board. Ja

891
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 4: Davian Sanders from Texas is a projected second round pick.

892
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 4: Cad Stover late day to early Day three from Ohio

893
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 4: State is a guy I really like, and I mean

894
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: I keep saying they'll really like. We don't know who's

895
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 4: making the picks. Kate Stover's a guy fan should be

896
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 4: super excited about. Ronde Gadson from Sarahcuse is. He's like

897
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 4: a receiver tight end hybrid. He's a really fun player.

898
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 4: Patriots fans may remember his dad played for the Dolphins

899
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: way back Trey Knox Dalen Hooker.

900
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: A little further down if you probably mean like the

901
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: in two thousands, because we're old.

902
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 4: No, Ronda Gadson is like, I forget what he played

903
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 4: in the nineties, like his the dad, Ronde. I'm gonna

904
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 4: look now. He played for the Dolphins and the Jets,

905
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 4: so he definitely played the Patriots quite a bit. I'm

906
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 4: sure Bill would have a story about him. He played

907
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 4: from ninety five to three. He didn't play for the Jets.

908
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 4: I don't know why I thought he played for the Jets.

909
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 2: He didn't.

910
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 4: He played for the Dolphins from ninety eight over we're old,

911
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 4: all right, nineties is way back.

912
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's uh.

913
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 4: He also played in the European Football League.

914
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: There you go. That's Rohan Davey.

915
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: He might have actually, yeah, think ron David played for

916
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 4: the Frankfurt Galaxy. If you just if you just picked

917
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 4: us out, hang on, I am going to be so impressed.

918
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety seven. Oh, nineteen ninety seven, Frankfurt Galaxy. Roan No,

919
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: Rohan David was on the Berlin Thunder. Oh god a

920
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 4: couple of years before that.

921
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: I loved Rohan da But Frankfurt Rohan David was a

922
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: great backup quarterback.

923
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 4: Rode was great.

924
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved him all right. Keith is in Atlanta.

925
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: What's up, Keith, Keith.

926
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 4: He's so floored that I got you talked about Rohan David.

927
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 4: He can't speak, Keith.

928
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: Are you there? All right? Keith, call us back and

929
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: we'll get you on there. Tyree is in Charleston, South Carolina.

930
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: What's up, Tyree?

931
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 8: Hey, what's up?

932
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: Guys?

933
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 8: I love that you guys are talking college football and

934
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 8: from I'm in the South, so you know, I always

935
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 8: watch college football, and there's a lot of great players out

936
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 8: there this year. But I have an interesting question for

937
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 8: you guys, and it's probably not what nobody wants to hear,

938
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 8: and it is probably highly unlikely that just happens. But

939
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 8: there could be a strong chance that with the way

940
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 8: everybody's records are right now, especially teams who are on

941
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 8: the bubble, that if we did go on a run,

942
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 8: would everybody be really really mad that if we just

943
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 8: won everyone out every game, or would you guys want

944
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 8: to stay where we're at and get a good quarterback

945
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 8: for next year? I mean, what if Mac Jones turns

946
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 8: the page this weekend.

947
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair question, Tyree, Thanks for the call.

948
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: I've thought about this a lot all season. Like, the

949
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: bottom line is is that it's much easier for the

950
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: Patriots to rebuild if you don't need a quarterback. Right.

951
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 4: And when I said, then, guys like Brock Bowers, Cam Kitchens.

952
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: The tackles like, when I say don't need a quarterback,

953
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: what I mean by that is is that none of

954
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: us think that Mac Jones is going to all of

955
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: a sudden become Patrick Mahomes, Right, Like, no one have

956
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: made that take very clear. Well, I'm just saying Mac

957
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: Jones is not Patrick Mahomes. Use whatever quarterback you want

958
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: that is your favorite, Patrick Mahomes whatever. Like Patrick Jones,

959
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: he is not going to become a top five quarterback

960
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: in the league. I just I don't think that that's

961
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: on the table anymore. But if you, I don't think

962
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: I ever thought that. No, I know, but I'm just saying, like, yeah,

963
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: that ship has sailed that he's going to be this

964
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: top five, elite kind of quarterback. But when I say

965
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 2: you don't need a quarterback, it's not this like we crap,

966
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: we really like, this is not a choice.

967
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 4: You're not totally hitting the reset button, right.

968
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: And you have a Jared Goff, you have a Kirk Cousins,

969
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: you have a Derek Carr. You have one of these guys.

970
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 4: The guy we thought Matt Jones was gonna be when

971
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: he got drafted.

972
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have one of these guys that is just

973
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: good enough, right, He's good enough for now. It's so

974
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 2: much easier to approach the offseason with that line of thinking.

975
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: So in some ways, yeah, if they rattled off seven

976
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: straight wins, they got to nine and eight, maybe they

977
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: even squeak into the playoffs at nine and eight like

978
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: that that might be like better in some sense is better.

979
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,479
Speaker 4: That's absolutely better because it's always good to be winning

980
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 4: football games. And if that happens, it means players are

981
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 4: playing well. If they're gonna start winning games, it means

982
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: guys that are not playing well are guys like josh Uja,

983
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: guys like Taekwon Thornton, obviously Mac Jones. Yeah, you're now

984
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: getting performance out of guys you thought well. Och is

985
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 4: different because he's a pending for agents, but you're now

986
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 4: getting performed. It's out of guys that you can build

987
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 4: around that you thought you'd have to replace. Yeah, and

988
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 4: if you don't have to replace, you know, if you

989
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 4: don't have to go out and use a premium pick

990
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 4: on a wide receiver because Taekwon Thornton and Juju Smith

991
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 4: Schuster are now playing well along with Tomorrio Douglas, that

992
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 4: opens up opportunities. If Mac Jones is playing well, you

993
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 4: don't have to use that pick on a quarterback right now,

994
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 4: you can go out and address other holes that exist. Yes,

995
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 4: that would absolutely be a good thing. Do I think

996
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 4: it's going to happen, No, but it is always preferable

997
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 4: to be nine to eight and make the playoffs, then

998
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 4: to be two and fifteen. Period.

999
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: Like, I get it, if they lose more games, they

1000
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 2: get a better pick. The ideas should but the main goal,

1001
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: don't lose that of the main goal you want it

1002
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: to be. You should have enough good players that you

1003
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: don't need to have that top pick to ultimately improve

1004
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: your team. You just want to be building to something,

1005
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 2: right and if there, if that's what it ends up being,

1006
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: and then it feels like maybe they're actually on an

1007
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: upward trajectory as at the end of the season and

1008
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: they're building towards something that's not a terrible thing. Now.

1009
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: I know people are gonna hear this and they're gonna

1010
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: say Max sucks, they need a new quarterback. All this

1011
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: does is is kick the can down the road to

1012
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: making that happen.

1013
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: But if you'll win eight games in a row or whatever,

1014
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 4: it would be seven games in a row, yeah, Mac

1015
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 4: Jones probably isn't that bad?

1016
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and that sort of.

1017
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 4: Are They're not gonna win seven games in a row

1018
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: with Mac Jones playing.

1019
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: With right it you definitely have to with him playing

1020
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: like this, no way, right, you definitely have to look

1021
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: at it objectively of how it looks though, right, Like,

1022
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: if they win a bunch of games thirteen to ten,

1023
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: then like we're talking, we're not We're still in the

1024
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: quarterback conversation.

1025
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 4: But you're still in the quarterback conversation. But at that

1026
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 4: point we can start talking more about you know, Quinn

1027
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 4: viewers if he comes out in bow Nicks and JJ

1028
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 4: McCarthy and doing the Jalen Hurts thing. Correct, because even

1029
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 4: if they're winning games thirteen ten, all right, ma's not

1030
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 4: turning the ball over to the point where it's costing

1031
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:48,959
Speaker 4: them games.

1032
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, all right, talking about quarterbacks here. So I

1033
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: have my preliminary top five, okay, And I want to

1034
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: preface this with the fact that this is subject to change,

1035
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: is and it's and it will change. And this is

1036
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: based off of like TV copy on my couch on Saturday.

1037
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 2: Just so don't don't like at me like, oh, Evan,

1038
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: you don't know anything about football. You have so and

1039
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: so over it's gonna happen. You're right, this is very preliminic.

1040
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 4: You always jump down my throat when I say I

1041
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 4: want to talk college football this time of year, and

1042
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 4: you say, because that exact reason things change. So I'm

1043
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 4: not gonna throw you a life raft.

1044
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1045
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 4: This is how this thing works. I always talk about

1046
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: the pre draft process, right You always hear me say

1047
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 4: we're going through the process. The games are the biggest

1048
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: part of the process. Normally, we're not talking about this

1049
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 4: till after the games are over. So things are moving

1050
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 4: around a little bit. Things move massively during the season.

1051
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 4: A month ago, we thought there was no shot Kleb

1052
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 4: Williams wouldn't go one one. Now he might not even

1053
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 4: be the top quarterback. There are guys who people thought

1054
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 4: were gonna be first round picks. kJ Jefferson, Joe Milton,

1055
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: Sam Hartman that might not even get drafted at this point.

1056
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 4: This all changes massively. This is an in progress. Here's

1057
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 4: how we look at it. November twenty second, ten fifty

1058
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: two am. This is what the board looks like right now.

1059
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 4: Rivalry weekend. There are some big games for a lot

1060
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 4: of these guys this weekend. This can change drastically and

1061
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 4: will change drastically before we get to bowl season. Then

1062
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 4: you have bowl game. I would also say the Senior Bowl,

1063
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 4: it's all gonna change.

1064
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: I would also say that who's the head coach, and

1065
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 2: who's the offensive court or another big part of system.

1066
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: That all matters too, which is why I wanted to

1067
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: talk about the coaches first, because I think some of

1068
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 2: these guys I have in mind, like if you draft

1069
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: this guy, I want him to be with you.

1070
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 4: We've talked about like Drake Maye, Ben Johnson, Kellen Moore,

1071
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 4: and Michael Pennox right and pare them. But the way

1072
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 4: I would do it, in the way I've done all

1073
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 4: my draft coverage up to this point. I know what

1074
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 4: it annoys people. This is just how you have to

1075
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 4: do it. Unless I preface something by saying, this guy

1076
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 4: works with the Bill Belichick regime, er, this guy with

1077
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 4: this coach. This is a big board. This is not

1078
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 4: a Patriots. I don't know about you. For me, my

1079
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 4: rankings are neutral, neutral team. I am starting it right now.

1080
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 4: Which guy am I taking? This is in the context

1081
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 4: of the Patriots?

1082
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 2: All right? With that, all of the caveats and all

1083
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: of the you know, hedging aside the here's my top five. Okay,

1084
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start with one. I start

1085
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: at the top, so the other caveat the other hedge

1086
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna use here is that this is based

1087
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 2: off of my eyes. Like that I'm talking about on

1088
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: the field football, Caleb Williams is the most talented quarterback

1089
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: prospect in this class. Caleb Williams is has the highest

1090
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 2: ceiling and has the most ability, has the best physical

1091
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: however you want to put it, And I don't think

1092
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: it's particularly close. I don't. I don't really think it's

1093
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: all that close. With that being said, I don't know

1094
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. I don't cover Caleb Williams. I'm not gonna

1095
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 2: be in the interview rooms with Caleb Williams in this

1096
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: draft cycle. YEP. I don't feel great rate about getting

1097
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: into the mentality of an athlete that I don't know.

1098
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: I just it feels weird to me. With that being said,

1099
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: I know that when we get into all of this,

1100
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 2: that the Patriots do have a top three, top five pick,

1101
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: and Caleb Williams is a serious discussion. Everybody in their

1102
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: mother is going to be talking about how he cried

1103
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: in his mama's hands, and he doesn't talk to the

1104
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: media after they lose, and he doesn't shake the hands

1105
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: of opponents, and like all this stuff right that's been

1106
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 2: coming out you know, I want to own a team.

1107
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: Like all all this stuff that's come out about Caleb

1108
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: Williams and his his father, his family, his mental mindset,

1109
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. With that being said, football wise,

1110
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: he's one one to me, and I don't think it's

1111
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: very close. He has got the best arm talent, that's

1112
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: for sure. He has improvisational skills that nobody else in

1113
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 2: this class has. He's Discount Mahomes. He is. I don't

1114
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: want to call on Patrick m No, you can't hate

1115
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 2: that comp I call him Discount Mahomes because that's more fair.

1116
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 2: No one's Patrick Mahomes. He's not going to be Patrick Mahomes.

1117
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: But I think that he's the closest thing that you're

1118
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: going to get to Patrick Mahomes in a draft prospect,

1119
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: and that that's the way he plays. So with that

1120
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: in mind, if you are thinking organizationally that Caleb Williams

1121
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: is probably going to be your guy, you do need

1122
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: to get an offensive minded coach in here that is

1123
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: willing to foster the playmaking.

1124
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 4: Right. You can't put him it's Ben Johnson's offense, No.

1125
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: And you can't. I don't think it's Bill O'Brien's offense.

1126
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: You can't put him in an offense that just wants

1127
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 2: him to make the right read in the because he's

1128
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: reads don't matter to him, right, He's going to play

1129
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 2: his game. Uh, the throws that he made against UCLA.

1130
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: I know they lost by a billion, I don't care

1131
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 2: the defense.

1132
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 4: Here's the thing. You can't look at the win loss

1133
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 4: record with Caleb Williams. That defense. I think he he

1134
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 4: there was a stats somewhere where like they put up

1135
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 4: thirty five points at least in every loss. Yeah, and

1136
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: this was before this weekend. I think they only scored

1137
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 4: twenty against UCLA. But that defense, the technical term for

1138
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 4: it is ass they rank one hundred. They were like

1139
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty eighth out of one hundred and

1140
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 4: thirty third when they fire defense coordinator Alex Crnch. I

1141
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 4: know people want quarterbacks who win, and I want to

1142
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 4: get into that when you're done with Williams, but I

1143
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 4: just wanted to point that out. You can't really look

1144
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: at the win loss with Caleb Williams this year because

1145
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 4: he played winning football in so many games.

1146
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 2: That the Washington game, any that's like one of those

1147
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: you know we talk about like yeah, QBR right, Caleb

1148
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: Williams is QBR against Washington had to have been like ninety.

1149
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 4: They were the one hundred and twenty fourth defense in

1150
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 4: the nation. That's out of one hundred and thirty three teams.

1151
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 4: They ranked behind UMass. Yeah, again the technical term for

1152
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 4: it ass. You can't you can't blame him for a

1153
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 4: lot of those losses.

1154
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: You just don't take that out. That's good.

1155
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 4: Oh can I not say that, I'm just messing with you.

1156
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: So the throw against Ucla, uh, that really that made

1157
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: the rounds with a step up in the pocket deep ball.

1158
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: But he made a throw in the two minute drill

1159
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 2: before the end of the half where he just kind

1160
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: of like evades a rusher and then the back turns

1161
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: up field. The back was just running into the flat

1162
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: he sees Caleb Williams kind of by time in the pocket.

1163
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: The back turns up field and Caleb Williams just like

1164
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 2: effortlessly just like throws it on you know, a little

1165
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: flick of the wrist up the field to the back.

1166
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: Those types of plays like take out the ridiculous go

1167
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: ball aside, because that was that's just stupid. That those

1168
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: little types of plays that just kind of like save

1169
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: the down for the offense or actually even like add

1170
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: like yards to like you know, expect unexpected yards to

1171
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 2: the offense. You have to be able to do that

1172
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: a little bit in this league now, like you it

1173
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be your entire game, but it has

1174
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: to be in your back if you can't do a

1175
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: little bit of the playground stuff. Yeah, it's just so

1176
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: hard to move the ball consistently without where everything has

1177
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: to be like matriculated perfectly down the field all the time.

1178
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: So he is I called him discount Mahomes. I think

1179
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: that there is, and I you know, take this for

1180
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: what it's worth. There is a little bit of Josh

1181
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: Allen in there too with the turnover.

1182
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 4: We'll get to Josh Allen. We get to one of

1183
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 4: the other quarterbacks, but.

1184
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of Josh Allen with the turnover aspect.

1185
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: So maybe that it's the better comp is more like

1186
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: Josh Allen.

1187
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 4: I don't think it is.

1188
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: He's not as big and physically imposing as Josh Allen,

1189
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: so that's why I don't go there. But he has

1190
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: a little bit of that boom or bust like Josh

1191
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: Allen does. So I think either way, you're looking at

1192
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: a guy in Caleb Williams that projects as a top

1193
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: ten quarterback in the league.

1194
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, first off, let me apologize. You messed. I didn't

1195
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 4: Resk gave up forty nine to Liberty last week, so

1196
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 4: they actually finished or they're currently below UCLA in scoring.

1197
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 4: But again, one thirty three is not great.

1198
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh.

1199
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 4: My thing with Williams on the attitude, I before the

1200
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 4: whole thing with the crying, people were criticizing him that

1201
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 4: he didn't care enough, So I think that's all a

1202
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 4: little overblown, but not talking to the media after a

1203
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 4: loss some of that stuff. Look, it's a factor. How's

1204
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 4: he going to handle the Boston market and I think

1205
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 4: adversity in general as well. So I want to get

1206
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 4: to that. You asked handling the media about it. It's

1207
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 4: not a Caleb Williams thing. You wonder that about any prospect.

1208
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 4: You wondered that about Mac coming from Alabama. The adversity thing.

1209
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 4: I'm actually going to say something about Caleb Williams. I

1210
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 4: said about Mac Jones be consistent here when everybody was

1211
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 4: like last year when it wasn't working with Patricia and

1212
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 4: you know, he's getting called out by a team and

1213
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 4: he's like, why isn't he handling it better? Remember when

1214
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 4: I was young? Why does it matter how he's handling

1215
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 4: it right?

1216
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: The goal should be getting out of the situation and

1217
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 2: making it a better situation, not him handling a bad

1218
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: situation better. You shouldn't lose that many games if you

1219
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: draft Caleb Williams.

1220
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 4: Shouldn't be an issue. If he's losing games, the issue

1221
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 4: is you're losing games with the star quarterback. The issue

1222
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 4: was not how your star quarterback is handling losing games.

1223
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have, so I've come to the point with

1224
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: him with the off field stuff or the mental whatever

1225
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: you want to call it. I do have worries about

1226
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: his father. I do because I don't know that much

1227
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: about his dad. I just his dad. It's not He's

1228
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: been better, yeah, I think that. Whether it's Caleb Williams,

1229
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: whether it was Lincoln Riley, whether it was Caleb Williams'

1230
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: future agent, I don't know, but it seems like he's

1231
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: gotten better. There was some like LeVar Ball stuff early

1232
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: in the season where he was coming out in the

1233
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: media as himself in saying bad things about about USC's defense,

1234
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: and all that were all war It was all warranted

1235
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: but I don't. You can't do that, So I just

1236
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: think he can't. You can't draft Caleb Williams, have him

1237
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: play like a bad month of football and then have

1238
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: his dad on ESPN talking about how terrible Bill Belichick is, Like,

1239
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: you can't. It just can't happen.

1240
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 4: So again, if you draft Kleb Williams, you should be winning.

1241
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 4: You were looking for Caleb Williams have a CJ. Straut

1242
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 4: type impact. You should be winning. Year one shouldn't matter.

1243
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 4: That's where I'm at with it. I say it all

1244
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 4: the time. There's no such thing as a perfect prospect.

1245
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 4: If it wasn't that, it's gonna be something else. There

1246
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 4: is one other thing I worry about with Kayleb Williams,

1247
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: and that's his size. He's six one, two fifteen. He's

1248
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 4: not exactly big. Now Mahomes is six ' to two,

1249
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 4: but he's two twenty five. He's built out a little

1250
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 4: bit more. Yeah, Kayleb Williams gonna need to get in

1251
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 4: the weight room. He's gonna need to put some bulk

1252
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 4: on because playing the way he is, he's gonna take hits. Yeah,

1253
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 4: you were trying to find a comp before little Russell Wilson. Yeah,

1254
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 4: he's taller than Russell Wilson, but not find that much,

1255
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 4: isn't Russell Wilson.

1256
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 2: I could see you like young young Russell Wilson.

1257
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 4: Well young, yes, young, not now young Russell Wilson. Be

1258
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 4: clear about that. Russ is five to eleven. Okay, so

1259
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 4: he's two inches taller. But yeah, I do. If I

1260
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 4: have one football concern about Caleb Williams, it's his size

1261
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 4: and he if you draft Kleb Williams, you're probably not

1262
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 4: drafting Joe Alt And is Trent Brown going to be back?

1263
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 4: Doesn't seem like it after yesterday. Is Mike go Winno

1264
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 4: gonna be This is a guy that's gonna take hits.

1265
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 4: He's gonna get beat up, but he's gonna need to

1266
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 4: be able to handle it.

1267
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: And I we spend a lot of time on this,

1268
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: but I think the one thing that I do like

1269
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: about it though, is like he should be able to

1270
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 2: run around a little bit and help out and protect himself. Yes,

1271
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 2: in that respect, just a little bit, all right. Uh.

1272
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams the one one to me. I understand that

1273
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: if you've soured on him with off field stuff, but

1274
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: just from a football perspective, he's the best quarterback in

1275
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 2: the class.

1276
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I still I won't lie. I was teetering

1277
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 4: towards Drake May. But watching Drake May last week against Clemson,

1278
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm back to Cam Williams.

1279
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: Number two is Drake May.

1280
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 4: Number two is Drake Man.

1281
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: Drake May is number two pretty solidly number two.

1282
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 4: I still think you're expecting that instant franchise quarterback, but

1283
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 4: they're to see it. The floor is not quite as high.

1284
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think with Drake May the things that

1285
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 2: you like, Uh, he's a he's a prototypical NFL prospect.

1286
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: And I hate saying that because it becomes like, you know,

1287
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: a race thing and things like that. But he's a

1288
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: prototypical NFL He's six ' four, he's tall in the pocket,

1289
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: he has a big arm. He he he looks the part.

1290
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 2: He just looks the part of an NFL quarterback. I

1291
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: think that there's there are a lot of accurate comps

1292
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 2: to Justin Herbert here, Like I think that Justin Herbert's bigger,

1293
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 2: but not big. Justin Herbert is like six six. Justin

1294
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: Herbert's a monster.

1295
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 4: But making a big deal about two inches, that's.

1296
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: That is a big deal. Okay, you just made a

1297
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: big deal about two inches with with Caleb Williams.

1298
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 4: No I said they're about the same size, No. Five

1299
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 4: to eleven six one, and you were like, No, Russell

1300
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 4: Wilson's bigger. Russellis is smaller.

1301
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 2: He is smaller. But that's beside the point. Uh uh.

1302
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: What I really like about Drake May is that he

1303
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: has all of like the the the polish of like

1304
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 2: an NFL pocket passer with just a little bit of

1305
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: the moxie of playmaking right like we saw that against

1306
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: Clemson with the back foot throw kind of just drift

1307
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: here right a little bit, knowing the pressure the blitz

1308
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 2: is coming from the left hand side and just drop

1309
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 2: an absolute dime. Like he's got a little bit of

1310
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: that sort of thing to him. Which is why I

1311
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: like the justin Herbert comp because Herbert is not this

1312
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: like out of structure magician, but he's got so Herbert. No,

1313
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: I feel like Herbert is much more of like late

1314
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: in the down magician, which is different in my opinion,

1315
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: saying creating things. So the throw that for example, like

1316
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: the throw that Herbert made the Quinton Johnson, that shocker

1317
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: Quinton Johnson dropped shocker, not like anybody could have seen

1318
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: that coming. That throw is a throw that I think

1319
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: Drake May has in his back right, Like I think

1320
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: that Drake May would make that type of throw too.

1321
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: He really polished, well rounded prospect, good arm strength, good

1322
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: poise in the pocket, seems to have a pretty good

1323
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: knack for like where pressure is gonna come from, and

1324
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: how to just drift and move subtly side to side

1325
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: a little bit just to buy himself that a little

1326
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: extra beat of time. The one thing that I would

1327
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: say that I did notice with him that I think

1328
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 2: is gonna be something that he's gonna have to work on.

1329
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: His footwork and his base is a little bit inconsistent,

1330
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: and because of that is not his accuracy. He throws

1331
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: like a catchable, accurate ball most of the time, but

1332
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: like his pinpoint ball placement isn't always perfect because of

1333
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: his footwork, So that'll be something that he'll have to

1334
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: improve yet at the NFL level. But there's not a

1335
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 2: whole lot to dislike about him. I think some of

1336
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 2: your points though in the past with him that like

1337
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: what's his standout trait, right, It's probably doesn't exist. He's

1338
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: just well rounded and good at as he's the second

1339
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 2: best at everything in the class. Here's my thing on Mey.

1340
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 4: I love the size, love the athleticism, love the arm.

1341
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 4: You need a really good quarterback coach working with him

1342
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 4: because he can make plays from the pocket. I think

1343
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 4: he's a little too willing to go away from that. Yeah,

1344
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 4: and you watch some of the plays that he makes,

1345
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 4: and I gotta shout out Taylor Kyle's from Salinis Media

1346
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 4: who had this take, and I think it's a great take.

1347
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 4: Drake does a lot of the weird ad lib stuff

1348
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 4: that mac Jones does, but it just works.

1349
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 2: Because more talent.

1350
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 4: The backfoot throw he hadn't remember the underhand mac Jones

1351
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 4: did in Germany. Drake May did that same thing the

1352
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 4: night before, but completed it to the running back for

1353
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 4: a first down. So what I worry about with Drake

1354
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 4: May is I think the way he's got he wasn't

1355
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 4: supposed to be in this tier with Caleb Williams. He

1356
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 4: was supposed to be that next tier. So I talked

1357
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 4: about this tier as you're expecting instant franchise quarterback. The

1358
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 4: next tier will get to Michael Pennix's year one starter,

1359
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 4: but maybe not franchise guy. Yeah, part of how he

1360
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 4: got to this tier was making a lot of those plays,

1361
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 4: But you look at the context in which he made them,

1362
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 4: the teams he made them against. I don't know how

1363
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 4: much of that stuff's He can't be doing that in

1364
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 4: the NFL, not at the regularity he does it in college. Yeah,

1365
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean he can't do it. That doesn't mean

1366
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 4: he can't play out of structure. He never should. It's

1367
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 4: part of his game. But I worry that he's relied

1368
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 4: too much on it this year, and if he tries

1369
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 4: doing that in the NFL, it's gonna look a little

1370
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 4: bit like mac Jones.

1371
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: So, but this is so, this is why I like

1372
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: the Herbert cop because I felt the same way in

1373
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 2: a lot of senses with Herbert at Oregon. Because Herbert

1374
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 2: at Oregon and same with this is another reason why

1375
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: I I like Drake May. I think I agree with

1376
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: your point that he does some things that I don't

1377
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 2: know if he's gonna have the physical talent to do

1378
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 2: in the NFL.

1379
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 4: It's not even physical, it's it's just NFL players aren't

1380
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 4: going to a lot of those things to so I

1381
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 4: I it's coachable, it's very coachable. But this is where, again,

1382
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 4: if it's the Patriot, if if it's the current staff

1383
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 4: that has just failed to develop a quarterback, I'm gonna

1384
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 4: be a little worried about Drake May. If you get

1385
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 4: one of these quarterback gurus of Kellen Moore coming in here,

1386
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 4: a guy like Bobby Slowick. Okay, those guys come in,

1387
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 4: by the way, CJ. Stroud did some of that stuff too,

1388
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 4: Like I'd feel a lot better about it.

1389
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 2: So so my question is, and this is would be

1390
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 2: my question to do. And I think that this happened

1391
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: with Herbert at Oregon, which is why people overthought Herbert

1392
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 2: coming out. Well, it's also Oregon. It just churned out

1393
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 2: so many terrible quarterbacks, and USC kind of has too.

1394
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 2: So here's my unc unc yep. My question to Drake

1395
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: May would be, did you feel that you had to

1396
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 2: do all this bs because your team stinks and you're

1397
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 2: carrying the team on your back and you're trying to

1398
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: make plays because the only way you're gonna win games

1399
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 2: is if you're a superman. So I think that that's

1400
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 2: what happened to Herbert, and then Herbert got in the league,

1401
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: and as bad as some of the coaching has been

1402
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 2: with the Chargers, he miraculously somehow has been able to

1403
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: play within himself.

1404
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 4: He made Keenan Allen like the most targeted wide receiver

1405
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 4: in the NFL over three year spin. He's going who

1406
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 4: he trusts, right. What I would say about May is

1407
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 4: if he does feel he doesn't have the talent around him,

1408
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 4: I would be a little concerned. Omari and Hampton, They're

1409
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 4: running back is one of the best running backs in

1410
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 4: college football. He's got Tes Walker wide receiver, is going

1411
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 4: to be a first round pick or sorry, a top

1412
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 4: one hundred pick. Bryson nesbit their tight end as a

1413
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 4: draft pick. They've got a couple other guys who aren't

1414
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 4: draft eligible yet.

1415
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: Like, but that team just in general, Like I was

1416
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 2: watching the broadcast and against Clemson, and I said this

1417
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: on Unfiltered. The broadcast said that when they were meeting

1418
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: with the UNC coming staff, UNC had like trick plays

1419
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 2: in the plan. Yeah, because they knew that Clemson was

1420
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 2: just a much more talent. So and here's where I

1421
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 2: worry about Drake May.

1422
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 4: And again, if you've heard you've heard me say this one.

1423
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: I just feel like this happens with the USC every year,

1424
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 2: where they have like a couple of individual draftable talents,

1425
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 2: but like as a whole, their roster talent just doesn't stand.

1426
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 4: But well, so here's where here's where the other thing

1427
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 4: comes in for me when you evaluate these guys, and

1428
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 4: I think I might have picked this up from you,

1429
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 4: like you gotta look at I don't care what Drake

1430
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 4: May did against Syracuse. I don't care what Drake May

1431
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,839
Speaker 4: did against Pittsburgh. Those teams are terrible.

1432
01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1433
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 4: The two best defense, really the three best defenses he

1434
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 4: faced this year were South Carolina, Duke in Clemson. Yeah,

1435
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 4: and he he played okay against Duke. Yeah, he didn't

1436
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 4: really play well against South Carolina. He did not play

1437
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 4: well against Clemson. I throw in Minnesota, who's another decent,

1438
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 4: Like it's a Big ten defense. He didn't play super

1439
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 4: well against. He kind of ate up against garbage time opponents.

1440
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean he's.

1441
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 2: A bad so that you want him to do that,

1442
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 2: Like if he's playing bad against the bad defenses, yeah,

1443
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 2: he wouldn't be a first round but he's not. Unfortunately

1444
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: because they lost to Clemson, Right, they're not gonna be

1445
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 2: in like a the big time.

1446
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 4: They're not gonna and that sucks because I would have

1447
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 4: liked to see him get.

1448
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 2: A chance to Orange Bowl or something. Right, I really wanted.

1449
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,839
Speaker 4: To see him in the in the in the playoff,

1450
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 4: they should have gone undefeated. Again, the ACC is kind

1451
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 4: of terrible.

1452
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, But so the one I agree with a lot

1453
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 2: of what you're saying about Drake May, which is I

1454
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 2: I wanted to put Drake May ahead of Kayleb Williams

1455
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: at one point two, but I couldn't do it because

1456
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: I think that all the points that you've made about

1457
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: his season are true. I think the one thing that

1458
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 2: I am hoping for Drake May's sake, Drake May should

1459
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: be at the Senior Bowl.

1460
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 4: Drake May needs to be at sl Yes, that's a

1461
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 4: great point.

1462
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: So if Drake May goes to the Senior Bowl, even

1463
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: if it's just one practice, and he just lights it

1464
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 2: up at the Senior Bowl, then I'm gonna be way

1465
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: less concerned about all these things that we're talking about.

1466
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: But he's he can't in my opinion, he's not consistent

1467
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 2: enough against good teams to have me be like bad.

1468
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 4: We do this a lot with these guys. I'm trying

1469
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 4: to remember who who. Some of the guys were last year,

1470
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 4: there was a wide receiver we did it with that.

1471
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 4: We really liked that. He just tore up like a

1472
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 4: top ten opponent. And I'll give you one this year,

1473
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 4: zavi'er Worthy. Some people are in some people are out

1474
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 4: on Xavier Worthy. He's a little undersized. He played an

1475
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,560
Speaker 4: offense that really I think alleviated some of his weaknesses.

1476
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 4: The Xavier Worthy people, I think you're gonna be one

1477
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 4: of them. I'll be one of them. Yeah, are gonna

1478
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 4: point to what he did to Alabama and say this

1479
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 4: is an elite defense. It's always been elite defense, elite corner.

1480
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 4: He tore him up. What is the game you're pointing

1481
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,759
Speaker 4: at with Drake may and saying I'm not worried about

1482
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 4: it because he did this to that team. It's probably

1483
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 4: his game against Miami. Yeah, he threw four touchdowns through

1484
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 4: for two hundred and seventy yards. He was pretty good

1485
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 4: in that game. I'm not gonna be somebody that's like, well,

1486
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 4: look at what he did. A Miami team that had

1487
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 4: a habit of choking this year, like Duke Clemson South

1488
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 4: Carolina would have been that game. We'll see who he

1489
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 4: gets in the bowl game. If he plays in the

1490
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 4: ball game. I don't think he's gonna play the ball game. Yeah,

1491
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 4: but in which part of the reason I want to

1492
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 4: see him in the plaoff he would have played. He

1493
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 4: doesn't really have that one game, Like even with Caleb Williams,

1494
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 4: even though they lost. You said it before, you point

1495
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 4: to that Washington game. Washington is not like a top

1496
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 4: ten defense in the nation. There's solid defense. There's NFL

1497
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 4: prospects on the field.

1498
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 2: Especially that corner the Washington Oh yeah, that guy, I'm

1499
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: blanking on his name. He's nasty.

1500
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 4: You point to the Washington game, you point to the

1501
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 4: Oregon game.

1502
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and all last season, right, yeah, and.

1503
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 4: You say, look at what he did to these teams. Yea,

1504
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,799
Speaker 4: Rake may doesn't have that game.

1505
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 2: Right, Senior Bowl guy, maybe we'll see him there. Yeah,

1506
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,440
Speaker 2: I don't think he's playing the bowl game. He absolutely should.

1507
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 4: Play in the Senior Bowl.

1508
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: Okay, So Mac Jones is going to come up here

1509
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: in a minute, and I don't I don't mean to

1510
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 2: rush through these, but I do want to talk a

1511
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 2: little bit about what Max says and the quarterback situation

1512
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 2: in the Giants. So this is probably gonna be where

1513
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 2: we differ the most on those quarterback rankings, I have

1514
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels ahead of Michael Penox right now. So I

1515
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 2: have Jaden Daniels three and I have Michael Pennocks four.

1516
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: I think they're in the same tier. I don't think

1517
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, if you said it was your

1518
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 2: Penix guy, I'm a Daniels. It's fine. The one thing

1519
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 2: that I would say about Daniels that I really like.

1520
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: First of all, I was talking to actually talking to

1521
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 2: keish On Booty about him, and Booty said that he

1522
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 2: was not at this level last year. No, he wasn't,

1523
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 2: and he went and he worked on it, worked at

1524
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 2: it in the off season, got with a quarterbacks coach

1525
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 2: in the off season, worked on his craft, has come

1526
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 2: back and has a real chance to win the Heisman Trophy.

1527
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 4: And should win it.

1528
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1529
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be a disappointment if you don't.

1530
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: So that. I think it is something to be said

1531
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 2: for the work, ethic and all the things he put

1532
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 2: into Yeah. What I also really like about Jaden Daniels

1533
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: is the consistency with his release and with his ability

1534
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 2: to get the ball out quickly. He's got a real

1535
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: He's got a lightning quick release like He's got that

1536
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: like kind of snappy just you know, doesn't have to

1537
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: always be on platform, but can be on platform. Uh.

1538
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 2: He is what the league is now from like a

1539
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: spread quarterback standpoint, like this is what the league is

1540
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: like that. This is the type of guy that that

1541
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 2: everybody's trying to to emulate. Yeah, Mike, I said, you know,

1542
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 2: Herbert would be my Drake may Com.

1543
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1544
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 2: Uh, Caleb Williams his discount Mahomes. Yeah. I I really

1545
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: think Jaden Daniels is CJ. Shroud Like I think he

1546
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:47,879
Speaker 2: plays a ton like c J. Stroud.

1547
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 4: Uh.

1548
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't think his arm town is elite, but I

1549
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 2: think it's good enough. And I think that his decision making,

1550
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 2: his release and his ability to get the ball out

1551
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 2: and then obviously his deep ball is really really good.

1552
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 4: Well it's the deep ball is the big thing for

1553
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 4: me because when he transferred to LSU from Arizona State,

1554
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 4: that was the big critique was he couldn't throw the

1555
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 4: deep ball. And it wasn't an arm strength thing, it

1556
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 4: was a accuracy thing. And you mentioned the way he's improved

1557
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 4: I think is tremendous. And let me say, I really

1558
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 4: like Jade Daniels. I have panics add of him. I'll

1559
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 4: get Twine in a minute. You didn't even touch on

1560
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 4: the running ability, which is no because standing.

1561
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 2: This is my concern. He's kind of real thin. Well,

1562
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 2: so it's not just that he's not just he's not

1563
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 2: like Taekwon, but he's he's like he does it, he's

1564
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 2: been and he doesn't take care of himself. He takes

1565
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 2: some absurd hits. He needs to learn.

1566
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 4: My comp for him as a college quarterback, I'm not

1567
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 4: quite there yet with him as an NFL prospect. Is

1568
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 4: Robert Griffin the third.

1569
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 2: He looks I didn't realize he was that dynamic of

1570
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 2: a runner. He read for one hundred fifty against Alabama.

1571
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 2: Evan I know, but it's no, he is no and

1572
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: Alabama just like Okay, But yeah, he's the best.

1573
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 4: He's the best rushing quarterback in this draft, at least

1574
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 4: at the top of the guys are gonna talk about.

1575
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 4: He is a makes me like an even he's got

1576
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's gonna be a four to

1577
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,440
Speaker 4: four guy. He might be a four to five guy. Yeah,

1578
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 4: but he doesn't take care of himself and that ultimately,

1579
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 4: you know, I'll say, yeah, there's some RG three in

1580
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 4: there because RG three was a dynamic throw of the football.

1581
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 4: He could attack to all three phases, eat a big arm,

1582
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 4: you couldn't contain him in the pocket, and he also

1583
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 4: brought an electric run element. He's not quite as fast

1584
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 4: as RJ three was, but what did RG three in

1585
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 4: was he wouldn't slide, he wouldn't go out of bounds,

1586
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 4: didn't know how to protect himself, and he wasn't that big. Yeah,

1587
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 4: I think you have some of the same issues with

1588
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 4: Jane Daniels. I think you do.

1589
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play I I agree. I that's my one knock, right,

1590
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 2: that's my one concern. You just look at him like.

1591
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 4: Jane Daniels ran a four or five forty eight arisonnestly.

1592
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's a playmate.

1593
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 4: He's an a leaf ball carrier.

1594
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 2: So in some way I used U. C. J. Stradmans

1595
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 2: I think as a thrower.

1596
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 4: As I was gonna say, he's not the he's a

1597
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 4: much better.

1598
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 2: But when you just watch the two guys throw the football,

1599
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 2: they look really so. Okay, here's what you do. He's

1600
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 2: the last two Ohio State quarterbacks combined. Okay, he's he.

1601
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 4: Throws like Stroud and runs like justin fields if you

1602
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 4: want to say that.

1603
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 2: So the guy that I you know, we talk about

1604
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: like tiring quarterbacks with coaches and stuff like that. If

1605
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm drafting a guy like Jaden Daniels, I want somebody

1606
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 2: from the Eagles, yeah, to coach him, right, Like I like,

1607
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 2: He's Hurts is so thick that you can't really compare

1608
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 2: him to Hurts. But in terms of like having an

1609
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 2: offense that has all these different like r PO elements

1610
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: early down and like then spreads the field on passing situations,

1611
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 2: I don't think Jayden Daniels would be a monster.

1612
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 4: So that type of you need to watch Jane Daniels

1613
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 4: as a runner, like you need, Like I know you

1614
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 4: don't watch the guys I tell you to watch, you

1615
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 4: will and you you might move him into that top

1616
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 4: tier if you watch.

1617
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 2: I love Jen.

1618
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 4: I didn't realize youet and watch him. Okay, here's why

1619
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 4: I'm Michael really excited about it. And the first thing

1620
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 4: people are gonna yell at me about the knees. It

1621
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 4: was three years ago. He hasn't that an issue since

1622
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 4: he tore both. If he checks out at the combine,

1623
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 4: if he checks out, if he doesn't check out at

1624
01:17:58,280 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 4: the combine.

1625
01:17:58,680 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: I get it.

1626
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 4: If he checks out at the combine, fine. I like

1627
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix because he has one. He's got the best

1628
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 4: pure arm talent in this class. I don't think there's

1629
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 4: a better pure passer. Can hit a throat. You talk

1630
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 4: about defending every blade of grass. Michael Pennox can throw

1631
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 4: to any spot on the field and can do it competitively.

1632
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 4: I love that he's not a statue in the pocket.

1633
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 4: He plays like it. But the throw he made against

1634
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 4: USC when he needs to move, he can move. The

1635
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 4: other thing about.

1636
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 2: Him bend the wall. Go ahead, because we got an

1637
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 2: email right here that said, you know, Dame Brugler had

1638
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix like eight. Yeah, Dane Brugler's way out on Pennick.

1639
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 2: But he also has JJ McCarthy in the top ten.

1640
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear it. Let's go defend your guy,

1641
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix. Yeah, dog, he has a little bit of

1642
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 2: a dog. I agree with that.

1643
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 4: And it's not to say the other guys aren't. And

1644
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 4: it's not to say some of the other guys aren't

1645
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 4: good leaders. Michael Penix went to an Indiana program that

1646
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 4: had never won anything in football and put them on

1647
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 4: the map.

1648
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,759
Speaker 2: He beat Penn State in twenty twenty. They were ranked

1649
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 2: right when he got hurt. Yeah, twenty twenty. That is

1650
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 2: the only loss Penn State has. That's not to Ohio

1651
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 2: State or Michigan. In the last like five years, tears,

1652
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 2: his ACLS keeps coming back.

1653
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 4: He transferred to it. So where does he go and

1654
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 4: he transfers. Does he go to some big time program

1655
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 4: which he could have gone to. No, he goes to

1656
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 4: a Washington program that had just finished four and eight,

1657
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 4: was changing the coach.

1658
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 2: I love how it's November and he just buys is

1659
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 2: a huge That program finished on the table for Michael Pennick.

1660
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 4: That program finished four and eight two years ago. They're

1661
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 4: going to play in the College Football Playoff this year

1662
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 4: under a new coach. I go back to that Oregon game.

1663
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 4: He takes that shot to the ribs. He's clearly in pain.

1664
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 4: What does he do? He comes back, He leads them

1665
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 4: down the fields for the game winning score. Rom At

1666
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 4: Doonsay was a top recruit, was going to transfer. He

1667
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 4: stayed at Washington in a large part because he wanted

1668
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 4: to play with Michael Pennix. That dude gets everybody to

1669
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 4: buy in around him. He is a leader, He is

1670
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 4: a dog. He is a guy you go to war for.

1671
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 4: When you look at what the Patriots are going to

1672
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 4: have to do turning this thing around, Who's the guy

1673
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 4: you want leading your team out of the tunnel?

1674
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 2: Man? All run out of the time. I'm drifting him

1675
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 2: tomorrow after this. This is what I'm saying.

1676
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 4: And people will roll their eyes and say, oh, let's

1677
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 4: does not do with football. He's a good thrower.

1678
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Pennix is a guy I want the kind

1679
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 2: of guy I want leading my team. That's fair, and

1680
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: I think you have, especially for all the people. And look,

1681
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 2: I think that the concerns about Max's character overblown. But

1682
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 2: when you talk right now about what's going on with

1683
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 2: the locker room, in his body language and all of that,

1684
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 2: even if you talk about Caleb Williams, like.

1685
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Michael Pennix is You're gonna go to war with

1686
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 4: Michael Pennick's and I think you have to value that.

1687
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 2: I love it.

1688
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 4: Again, That's not to say that I think Jayan Daniels

1689
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 4: has that in him too, but Michael Penix has it

1690
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 4: to an exponential level. And I love that.

1691
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: Okay, great speech. Good thank you.

1692
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 4: I can't tell I get fired up talking about quarterbacksgibles.

1693
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix U two things that I really liked about him,

1694
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: And I have a comp that you're probably not gonna like.

1695
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 4: My comp has been Lefty Philip Rivers.

1696
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not bad. I kind of like that better

1697
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 2: than mine. Actually, I will think about it, okay. In

1698
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: terms of dimes, like pinpoint in a key hole, absolute

1699
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: on a platter, dimes, nobody throws more in this class

1700
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 2: of Michael penniox in my arm talent, especially from a

1701
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 2: like a vertical you know, down the field standpoint, he

1702
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 2: throws more deep ball dimes than anybody else. He is

1703
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 2: pinpoint accuracy down the field. And he does a really

1704
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 2: good job of like throwing a dude's open, like you know,

1705
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 2: like dunes open, like if he's got the defenders like

1706
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 2: inside of him and he's got to throw back shoulder,

1707
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 2: he throws back shoulder. He does a really good job of,

1708
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 2: you know, especially against man coverage, knowing where to put

1709
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: the ball to make the receiver, to help the receiver out.

1710
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 2: Love that about his game deep ball dimes. I agree

1711
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: with you one hundred percent that he's got some dog

1712
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 2: in him. I think that he's he's a gamer. I

1713
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 2: think that he's a competitive I think that in order

1714
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 2: to come back from like two torn acls and he's

1715
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 2: got a couple.

1716
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 4: Of shoulders, but he's been healthy since twenty one.

1717
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 2: In order to come back from all of that and

1718
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 2: still be like leading a team that should be in

1719
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 2: the college football playoff, I would think, uh that you

1720
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 2: got to have a little bit of a fight, a

1721
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: little bit of competitive nature in you. I level a

1722
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 2: lot of things about Michael Penix, So.

1723
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 4: It just real quickly. We talked about, like with Kayleb Williams, right,

1724
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 4: how's he going to handle it if the team's losing. Yeah,

1725
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about how Michael Penicks is gonna handle it,

1726
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 4: not one bit. He's going to embrace that, he's gonna

1727
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 4: want to be He's gonna get the front of line,

1728
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:25,719
Speaker 4: turning that thing around.

1729
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 2: My two fears with him. One, you have to talk

1730
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 2: about the injury history. Yeah, No, it is a concern.

1731
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: The fact that he's he's twenty three now, so he's older.

1732
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 2: He'll be twenty four as a rookie, he'll be twenty

1733
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 2: four years a little limited yep. And he's already been

1734
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 2: hurt severely, yeah, twice, and that has to be a factor. Yeah.

1735
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 2: The other thing that I would just say with him

1736
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 2: is that I agree with you that maybe the statue

1737
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 2: in the pocket stuff is a little bit overblown. But

1738
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 2: he is he's not mobile like, he's not as he is.

1739
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 4: He just doesn't do he can be he doesn't do it,

1740
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 4: but he can when he needs.

1741
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 2: To maybe, but he's not a runner. All right, So

1742
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna take a break. We'll talk about

1743
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 2: this more plenty, I'm sure over the course, johns Carthy God,

1744
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 2: but we're gonna listen to Mac and then we'll be

1745
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Speaker 2: right back after Mac Jones's press conference.

1746
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1790
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Speaker 9: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh

1813
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Speaker 9: no replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof

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1837
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Speaker 9: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

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1861
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1944
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Speaker 2: to Mac Jones at his press conference. Got it. We

1945
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 2: have to do the day job for a second, right, Yeah,

1946
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Speaker 2: you know, like do the writing part of our job

1947
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 2: that does exist. Uh, so we're going to talk about

1948
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 2: that for the majority of the last thirty minutes. I

1949
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 2: do really want to quickly just wrap up my list here,

1950
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 2: because we obviously took like six hours to talk about

1951
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 2: two guys, which you know, typical of us. I really like,

1952
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,799
Speaker 2: you know, I like your guy Pendix. I do like him. Yeah,

1953
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 2: the injuries worry me. I still we're going to differ

1954
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit on the mobility aspect. I don't

1955
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 2: think it's everything.

1956
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 4: Though we haven't even watched Jane Daniels as a runner

1957
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 4: so well.

1958
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: I watched the one game on Saturday. I I don't,

1959
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't want to come across as this

1960
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 2: guy that needs the quarterback to be mobile. I don't

1961
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 2: need the quarterback to be mobile, but I need him

1962
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 2: to be able to evade pressure, move off his spot,

1963
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 2: you know, do different things like that. Nix can do that,

1964
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 2: all right, I'll take your word for it. You've seen

1965
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 2: him more than me. My comp which you're gonna hate,

1966
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 2: Lefty Gino Smith. No, Lefty Ginos.

1967
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 4: Geno is more mobile than he is.

1968
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 2: But see like Seahawks Gino I'm not talking about.

1969
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:11,759
Speaker 4: You couldn't even get out of Seattle.

1970
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 2: See, yes, Lefty Gino's Gino Smith. Oh, I see what

1971
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 2: you're saying.

1972
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you couldn't even leave Seattle for the comp.

1973
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 4: The reason was they played in the same city. No,

1974
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 4: because it's better than the two of comps. I'll give

1975
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 4: you that, Gino Smith. The last two years, nobody has

1976
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 4: thrown more big time throws on deep balls and Genii Geno.

1977
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 2: Smith drops dimes. Yeah he does, Okay, Uh, I don't

1978
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 2: I I don't mind your Philip Rivers comp.

1979
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 4: I think he's more the big time throws. He can

1980
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 4: make the big time throws more in Gino.

1981
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit. That's that's Gino's darn accurate down

1982
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 2: the field.

1983
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I I don't know it's maybe it's just

1984
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:50,600
Speaker 4: because Gino Smith I remember from the Jets, like I

1985
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 4: don't trust him the way like I trust Pennix late

1986
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 4: in a game like Michael penox me is a throw.

1987
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 4: I guess Philip Rivers, well, he didn't lose all those games.

1988
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 4: The defense did. But trying, I know, I just backed

1989
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 4: myself in the corner that you did, Pennix. I just

1990
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 4: think there's more. It's not a terrible crop.

1991
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 2: Well, okay, all right, I still I still like the

1992
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:11,839
Speaker 2: river more moxy, maybe with more moxie.

1993
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 4: And I think there's a little bit more playground in

1994
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 4: his game.

1995
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, I'll take your word.

1996
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 4: Not a lot, like he's not Kaitleb Williams, But yea,

1997
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 4: there's a little bit more.

1998
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 2: Okay, last, but not least and uh well, we got

1999
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 2: two more guys. No, no, no, I don't have two more guys.

2000
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 2: I love that I have one more guy. So wait,

2001
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 2: what's the cutoff here? Is this like my top five? Okay,

2002
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 2: but there is no sixth guy. I I'm gonna just

2003
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 2: say before I get to bow Nicks, who's number five?

2004
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 4: So are all these guys? Are all these guys first

2005
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 4: round picks?

2006
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 2: Like top fifty? I think? Okay, yeah, I wouldn't. I

2007
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 2: don't I think the first four or first round picks.

2008
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm there yet with bow Nicks.

2009
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 4: I think Pennix is a first round pick. I think

2010
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 4: Daniels is like I could see him going like thirty third,

2011
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 4: thirty fourth, but he's fair. I'll call him a top

2012
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 4: forty pick.

2013
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 2: Uh. I am not and will not and am not

2014
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 2: taking J. J. McCarthy seriously as an NFL prospect. Do

2015
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 2: not call in, do not email in, do not at me,

2016
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 2: don't do any of it about JJ McCarthy. Do you

2017
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 2: know how many interceptions J. J. McCarthy should have had

2018
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 2: in that first half last week?

2019
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 3: Four?

2020
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 2: Like at least four? Like the guy, his decision making

2021
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 2: is not NFL caliber. Not only that, I just there's

2022
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 2: nothing about his game right now that's NFL caliber, Like

2023
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 2: I don't see it, Like I don't understand and he's

2024
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 2: playing on a loaded offense. It's maybe the best team

2025
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 2: in the nation, and they don't trust them, like it's

2026
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 2: third and ten and they're handed it off.

2027
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 4: Just that the offensive coordinator is now the head coach.

2028
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 2: They don't. They literally they avoid making JJ McCarthy do

2029
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 2: things like the plague, like they are purposely actively trying

2030
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 2: to keep him out of the game. I just please please, no, no, no, no,

2031
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 2: no no.

2032
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 4: So she's actually gonna make me defend J McCarthy a

2033
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 4: little bit, no I got. I got dragged for three

2034
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 4: weeks ago for saying JJ McCarthy wasn't a first pick.

2035
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 4: I said, he's a day two pick in people, so

2036
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 4: you you just really put the hornet's nest out. The

2037
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 4: trait is his athleticism. He's very athletic. He has good

2038
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,759
Speaker 4: size like that kind of thing, which great whatever.

2039
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 2: Which if he goes back to school so and he

2040
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 2: works on playing quarterback, then maybe he's So.

2041
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 4: That's my thing with JJ McCarthy. I think if you

2042
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 4: feel strongly about him one way or the other, yeah,

2043
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 4: you're kidding yourself. The body of work is not there.

2044
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 4: He doesn't do anything. He throws the ball. It was

2045
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 4: twenty two times a game going into the Ohio State game,

2046
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 4: that's gotta be less now. He It kind of like

2047
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 4: talking about Drake May. He hasn't done anything when they've

2048
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 4: played the league deep. The two best defenses they've played

2049
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 4: are Ohio State and Maryland. There were his two worst games, sorry,

2050
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 4: Penn State and Maryland. Yeah, we'll see what he does

2051
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 4: this weekend. I can't image it's gonna be good. But

2052
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 4: unlike Drake May, he didn't tear it up against the

2053
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 4: bad teams. He Oh great, he hwn forty six on

2054
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 4: Michigan State, the worst team in the Big Ten. Awesome.

2055
01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 2: He just he's a He's a pure seal pick. There

2056
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 2: is no floor. There is no floor with JJ McCarthy.

2057
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 2: We're in agreements. I don't know.

2058
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 4: Can I give you my comfort for JJ McCarthy, my

2059
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 4: ceiling for him right now? If you were to come

2060
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 4: out right now. The best case scenario for him is

2061
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 4: he becomes Brock Party. He is a pure ball delivery

2062
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 4: quarterback surrounded by the best offense in the league. That's

2063
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 4: the best case for him.

2064
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 2: His floor is Zach Wilson because there is so much

2065
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson in his game right now, I yeah, I

2066
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 2: just I don't if he comes out, and he should

2067
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 2: go back to school, and I hope he goes back

2068
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 2: to school.

2069
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 4: Also, he's gonna piss people off. I have to say it.

2070
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 4: The two games that have been his worst games, the

2071
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 4: first two games, they didn't have Connor stallions on the sideline.

2072
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're laughing, But like suddenly he's not getting

2073
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 2: the calls ahead of time and he's not playing as well. Look,

2074
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:55,679
Speaker 2: I just school j McCarthy.

2075
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 4: He's got to go back to school. If he is

2076
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 4: in the draft, he is a late day two. We're

2077
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 4: gonna red shirt this guy for two years, like what

2078
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 4: the Packers did with Jordan Love. He's that kind of

2079
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 4: guy where you have to already have an established quarterback,

2080
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 4: a guy who's gonna be there for another year or

2081
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:10,759
Speaker 4: two playing at a high level.

2082
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 2: And this is the guy we're gonna turn to, you know,

2083
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 2: down the road at some point in his looking content

2084
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 2: you want to take him in the fourth round. Fine, okay,

2085
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 2: he should go back to school, all right, really quickly.

2086
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 2: On bon Nicks, I can't unsee Auburn bo Nicks. And

2087
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 2: at some point that has to matter because like first,

2088
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 2: like maybe Oregon's just coaching him. Well, you know, maybe Oregon's.

2089
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:36,919
Speaker 4: Just they are Dan Lannings a really good coaching.

2090
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 2: Maybe Oregon's just getting the best out of him right now.

2091
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 2: If he if he ever ever reverts back to Auburn

2092
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 2: bon Knicks, it's gonna be a disaster.

2093
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 4: Auburn Bonicks was not an NFL quarterback bad So I

2094
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 4: think bon Knicks is the right pick for a certain team.

2095
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 4: I think bo Nicks is the guy you draft when

2096
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 4: you just you need a quarterback to come in with

2097
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:00,640
Speaker 4: the rest of the talent around. Like the team I

2098
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 4: look at is the Jets. Yeah, moving on from Zach Wilson.

2099
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 4: You don't know where rogers At is at with the Achilles.

2100
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 4: Even if he's fine, he's only gonna play another year

2101
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,640
Speaker 4: or two. You have Garrett Wilson, You're gonna build up

2102
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 4: the offensive line elsewhere. Like, that's the team that should

2103
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 4: draft Bonnicks. The Niners, if they don't want to pay

2104
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 4: Brock Perdy at the end of the year, should draft

2105
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 4: bon Knicks. A team that's starting from scratch like the Patriots,

2106
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 4: doesn't need bon Nicks. He is all floor and look,

2107
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 4: he's done some nice things at Oregon. I think he

2108
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 4: sees the field. Well, I think he gets the ball

2109
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:27,679
Speaker 4: out well.

2110
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 2: But he's got a good arm, and he's got a

2111
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 2: good arm, but not a great arm. He's a good runner,

2112
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 2: he's not a great runner. He still has struggle to

2113
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 2: win on the road in hostile environments. My comp for

2114
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 2: bon Nicks is Mac Jones. Oh, I think he's more

2115
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 2: talented than that.

2116
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 4: I well, like like like draft pick Mac Jones. Remember

2117
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 4: remember when we all said about Mack you're gonna draft him. Yeah,

2118
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 4: and you're gonna set it and forget it at quarterback

2119
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:51,640
Speaker 4: and you're gonna put the pieces around him, and you're

2120
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 4: gonna win because of the pieces around him, He's just

2121
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 4: gonna be kind of driving the bus. So that's Bonnicks

2122
01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 4: to me.

2123
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 2: My comp for bon Nicks, yeah, right now, And this

2124
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 2: is when I say this, I'm saying who he became

2125
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL, not as a prospect. I see a

2126
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 2: little bit of Baker Mayfield.

2127
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 4: That's probably his ceiling is Baker Mayfield. Yeah, I have

2128
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 4: another Baker Mayfield comp. But you're gonna hate it. I'll

2129
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 4: get to that.

2130
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 2: I have a little bit of Baker Mayfield in there.

2131
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 2: And what I mean again, not the prospect, not the

2132
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 2: number one overall pick, but current Baker Mayfield, current Baker Mayfield, Well.

2133
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 4: Isn't that kind of what Max Ceiling was, just a

2134
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 4: little more athletic.

2135
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think Baker Mayfield's more athletic.

2136
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:32,680
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, like a more athletic version. But

2137
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 4: it's that same guy where like Big the Bucks aren't

2138
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 4: winning because Baker Mayfield is making plays. The Bucks are

2139
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 4: winning because Baker Mayfield is getting the ball to Chris

2140
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 4: godwinning Mike Keevins.

2141
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 2: That's fair.

2142
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 4: So that kind of thing. I gotta ask you about

2143
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 4: two more guys. I know you want to talk about

2144
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 4: the Giants. I want to talk about the Giants, but

2145
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:47,719
Speaker 4: I gotta ask you about two more guys.

2146
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:49,879
Speaker 2: Okay, And one.

2147
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 4: Has been reported to go back to school, kind of soft,

2148
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 4: reported to go back to school. The other one, it

2149
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 4: hasn't been reported, but his dad said it, Quinn Yours.

2150
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 2: I like some things about Quinn Newers, Okay. I think

2151
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 2: he's got a little bit of like crazy, yeah, which

2152
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 2: I kind of like, yeah, you gotta be a little

2153
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 2: bit crazy. And he's got a good arm, like big

2154
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 2: arm has the tools. Here's my thing, on the whole draft,

2155
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:18,759
Speaker 2: the whole draft.

2156
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: I am.

2157
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 2: I am weary this time around of drafting the quarterback

2158
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 2: that has the loaded supporting cast in college because of

2159
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 2: what happened with Mac. And you look at Texas, like

2160
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 2: we talked about Worthy, right, like they have great players, Worthy, Sanders, Yeat.

2161
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:39,560
Speaker 2: That's fair, It's a great team. It's the same. I

2162
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 2: kind of feel the same way about J. J. McCarthy,

2163
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:43,600
Speaker 2: but like also just think he stinks. But like I

2164
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 2: feel the same way about him, just in terms of, like,

2165
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 2: you know, what is he really doing? Okay? Yeah, And

2166
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 2: I think with Mac, we we have to learn from

2167
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 2: that that when it's not quite like no one was

2168
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 2: throwing to the All Star cast that Mac Jones was

2169
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty like that was, but.

2170
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:01,719
Speaker 4: It's it's up there and and yeah, the Big twelve

2171
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:03,799
Speaker 4: is really bad this year. I'll give you outside Oklahoma

2172
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 4: who he didn't beat. We'll see if he gets another

2173
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 4: shot in a couple of weeks. Uh should oh yeah, yeah,

2174
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:09,640
Speaker 4: he's not.

2175
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 2: I mean he's not. I don't think is coming out.

2176
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't shock. I don't think he is. And I

2177
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 2: think that a lot of the things, especially because of

2178
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 2: how bad Drew Aller and Kyle McCord have been who

2179
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 2: are supposed to be the top two quarterbacks next year,

2180
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 2: They've both been awful. I also with Shador, who if

2181
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 2: he comes out next year and they still need a quarterback,

2182
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm all.

2183
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 4: Ok, I think it's really urge vision world where he's

2184
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 4: not the QB one next year. But then again, we

2185
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:33,599
Speaker 4: said that about.

2186
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 2: Just quickly on Shoudre, though, you gotta talk to Dion,

2187
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 2: Like what what's Dion's role? Right?

2188
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 4: Well's not leaving as long as wait, what do you mean?

2189
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 4: Just what's his What's you're talking about him like replacing Bill?

2190
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about like what is his How involved

2191
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 2: is Dion gonna be with shas.

2192
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 4: Gonna be, He's gonna be coaching.

2193
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 2: I just he's gonna I'm not necessarily saying it's that.

2194
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily saying it's even a bad thing, but like,

2195
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 2: I just feel like Dion, you're gonna when you draft

2196
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 2: Shad or you're drafting Dion.

2197
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 4: But I so I think there's a chance Deon's because

2198
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 4: if the team's picking first over all, they probably need

2199
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 4: a new head coach. I think Deon's gonna try to

2200
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 4: go coach wherever Shadar ends up.

2201
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Data, I'm not so interested.

2202
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 4: And I'm not the more honestly, I know Deon Prime

2203
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:22,719
Speaker 4: all that. The relationship I'm more interested with Shadi Sanders

2204
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 4: is he's very close with Tom Brady, right, and that

2205
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 4: that element of it if he came here would be outstanding.

2206
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:30,679
Speaker 4: I gotta throw out a couple more names Day three, guys,

2207
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 4: just real quick. Carson Beck from Georgia wanted to hate him.

2208
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:35,680
Speaker 4: You talk about town around him. I don't know how

2209
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 4: much Georgia you've watched. You watch him, I'm sure in

2210
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 4: the playoff, Yeah, watch Carson Beck a little bit for me.

2211
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 4: He's been kind of fun, you know, kind of if

2212
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 4: they're gonna wait for Day three, if they're gonna do

2213
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 4: the Kirk Cousins thing, take a second quarterback. I do

2214
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 4: like what I've seen from him. I'm very excited to

2215
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 4: see how you're gonna feel about Joe Milton. I've told

2216
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 4: you about Joe Milton. I'm seeing a little bit of

2217
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 4: Joe Milton A Zuka Joe. If you need the ball

2218
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 4: thrown eighty five yards, he'll throw at eighty five yards.

2219
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:00,640
Speaker 4: If you need the ball thrown five yards, he'll throw

2220
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 4: it eighty five yards.

2221
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 2: He does have a bazuka.

2222
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:05,840
Speaker 4: I like, all right, quickly, all right, I like dj

2223
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 4: O young life Morgan state, he's falling off. I said,

2224
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 4: I had a Baker crop for you. This is if

2225
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:11,959
Speaker 4: they are going.

2226
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 2: To U d f as so excited you.

2227
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 4: Df A the Kirk Cousins thing. Andrew Peasley from Wyoming,

2228
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:21,480
Speaker 4: Oh my god, is going to be the best undrafted

2229
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 4: quarterback in this class.

2230
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 2: We just we didn't need to go this. We did,

2231
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 2: we didn't need to go all right, let's take these

2232
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 2: calls and let's talk about the Giants for five minutes.

2233
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 2: John is in Louisiana. If you're still holding on, yeah,

2234
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 2: that was a long time. Eldred is in North Carolina.

2235
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Let's have Eldred.

2236
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 10: He Hey, Alan uh Evan and Alan yep, you come on, okay,

2237
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 10: I'm gonna go old school one. And there's Steve Young.

2238
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:56,600
Speaker 2: Oh mobile, I'm not old enough for that, but I

2239
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 2: agree Steve.

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Speaker 10: But Steve could throw short and long, but he would,

2241
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 10: but he had the accurate Pennick did. And like I said,

2242
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 10: I saw that game last Verity in the rain, in

2243
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 10: the wind, and just receiver let him down a lot

2244
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 10: and he's hitting them while they fully covered, right in

2245
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 10: the hands and in the face. Man, so he would

2246
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 10: be my pig. And one more thing, and I don't

2247
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:19,240
Speaker 10: let you go. I listened to the show from the

2248
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:23,720
Speaker 10: other day and that will person will love you as

2249
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 10: a fan too. But I'm won't say this. Anybody get

2250
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 10: mad if you want to builder comes the greatest coach,

2251
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 10: he had the greatest player and like I said that

2252
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 10: NFL fact, one hundred games coach before you got Tom

2253
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 10: Brady forty eight to fifty two, and six of those

2254
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 10: he won Withdrew. So I'll let that go ahead. That

2255
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 10: and y'all have a good one.

2256
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Elger. Great call, good, great call. That's

2257
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 2: just because he likes Penick compares panic no, and he

2258
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 2: defended me against that caller last week. Penix to Steve Young.

2259
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 2: I mean I've only ever seen like, yeah, it's NFL filt,

2260
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 2: Like I didn't watch Steve.

2261
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,679
Speaker 4: Yeah shock, I'm going with my lifetime here. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2262
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:05,799
Speaker 2: All right. So we heard from Mac Jones this morning. Yeah,

2263
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 2: he said that he hopes to be the starter. That's

2264
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 2: I think what he was saying. Yeah, he's planning on starting,

2265
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 2: which is what he should be doing. That's right about

2266
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 2: But that's the mindset. Here's my take on this, And

2267
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:22,800
Speaker 2: I wrote about this, you know, in the in game

2268
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 2: plan this week, my game preview about the Giants. I

2269
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 2: I don't. I think Mac Jones is still the best

2270
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 2: quarterback on this team. I think he still gives you

2271
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 2: the best chance to win. That's not it. That's not

2272
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 2: saying he's the quarterback of the future. Yeah right, Like

2273
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he's still the answer for this

2274
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 2: team long term. I still think he's the best quarterback

2275
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 2: on the current Patriots roster. With that being said, I

2276
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 2: do think that he would benefit from a mental break.

2277
01:46:52,439 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 2: I do, And I don't think that this is a

2278
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 2: situation where on Sunday they should start Bailey Zappy and

2279
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 2: in the last step in games of the year or

2280
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 2: Bailey ZAPPI right. I I think that Bailey Zappy gets

2281
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 2: this start on Sunday and then they go back to

2282
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 2: Mac and maybe and I think this is part of

2283
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 2: the reason why Bill played McCoy yesterday. Maybe they are

2284
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 2: hoping that the bye week was enough, Yeah, and that

2285
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 2: was enough to just kind of reset the the uh,

2286
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:25,439
Speaker 2: the old mental internal clock. Whatever you want to call

2287
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 2: it for mac Jones, but and then that and they

2288
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 2: want to see it in practice and like see if

2289
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 2: maybe he looks a little bit more comfortable and looks

2290
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 2: a little bit more like himself in practice. But I

2291
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:37,679
Speaker 2: don't think that we they they bought that a little

2292
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 2: bit early in the season when they lost to the

2293
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:44,600
Speaker 2: Cowboys and Saints. People asked, like mental reset, would that

2294
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 2: would he benefit from that? And I think both Bills

2295
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 2: O'Brien and Belichick said, it's the NF. We don't have

2296
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 2: time for that, Like it's the NFL. You're a professional

2297
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 2: football player. If your numbers called you play. I just

2298
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 2: think that for the rest of this season, they're they're

2299
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:06,719
Speaker 2: risking throwing him out there and having him completely whatever's

2300
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 2: left of mac Jones as a starting quarterback in the NFL.

2301
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 2: If they just keep on throwing him out there, to

2302
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 2: have him do what he did in Germany, yeah, it's

2303
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 2: gone forever for him and for his career. I think

2304
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 2: it might be the best thing for him to take

2305
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,720
Speaker 2: a take a seat, hold the clipboard for a couple

2306
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:27,600
Speaker 2: of weeks and then you know, we'll come back to you.

2307
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 2: Like it's not forever, but we will come back to you,

2308
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 2: but I think he would benefit from the mental reset.

2309
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 2: They're in a tough spot. They don't have a good

2310
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 2: quarterback on the team right now with Mac and his

2311
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 2: current mental state, they don't have a good quarterback. That's

2312
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 2: just the plan and simple. But the Falcons just did

2313
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 2: this with Desmond Ridder. We'll see if if it ends

2314
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 2: up working at all. But Taylor Heineke started the last

2315
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:56,640
Speaker 2: two games. They're going back to Desmond Ridder. Now, that

2316
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 2: was always the plan was to eventually get back to

2317
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 2: Desmond Ridder. I think that the Patriot should take a

2318
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 2: similar approach.

2319
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 4: It's just so tough because of the way they pulled

2320
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 4: him in Germany. Yeah, and and the message that sense so.

2321
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 2: And I think that that's why you start zappy this

2322
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 2: week because it's something different, right and you are saying, Okay,

2323
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 2: we are I don't want to use the word punishing,

2324
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 2: but we are holding him accountable for how he.

2325
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 4: Put The question is do they still believe there's a

2326
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 4: chance he's the long term answer? And we don't know,

2327
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 4: We don't know, and obviously they might not know, and

2328
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,960
Speaker 4: you know who's they. Bill might feel one way, Robert

2329
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:39,120
Speaker 4: might feel another. If Robert already knows that Bill's done,

2330
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 4: then you kind of have to know that the next

2331
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 4: coach and next GM are going to want to bring

2332
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:45,360
Speaker 4: in their own quarterback regardless to what Mac does. So

2333
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:47,679
Speaker 4: that's the big unknown is how do they feel about

2334
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 4: mac Jones long term. I think it's just so hard

2335
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:55,520
Speaker 4: to try to build a guy up internally and externally

2336
01:49:55,960 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 4: as your franchise quarterback when you handle Mac Jones the

2337
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 4: way he's been handled this year, the benchings that have happened,

2338
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 4: and then pulling him as the starter. Look, I know,

2339
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 4: like to it right, Tua was pulled, but that was different.

2340
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:12,280
Speaker 4: I think that team really was rallying around Ryan Fitzpatrick.

2341
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 4: He was winning them games. It's just you don't usually

2342
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 4: see franchise quarterbacks go through this, especially earlier in their

2343
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 4: early in their careers. So that if they're done with

2344
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 4: mac Jones, then I think what you're saying makes sense.

2345
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 4: Sit him for a little bit, then play him, see

2346
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 4: if he plays well down the stretch, and now he

2347
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 4: might have some trade value if they still believe he's

2348
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:37,640
Speaker 4: the franchise I almost feel like he kind of got

2349
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 4: to let him just play through this and work through this,

2350
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 4: because once you go away from him, forget the fans.

2351
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 4: How do you pitch to the guys in locker room, like, yeah,

2352
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 4: that guy we just benched, Yeah, that's our that's our future,

2353
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:48,240
Speaker 4: that's the future of the team. That's the guy we

2354
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:48,800
Speaker 4: want you all to right.

2355
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:51,639
Speaker 2: I guess my my approach is almost middling it from

2356
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 2: those things, because.

2357
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and that's that we don't know, so you

2358
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 4: can don't.

2359
01:50:57,200 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 2: I don't think that you can confidently say he's your

2360
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback at this point. I can't. I don't. You

2361
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 2: can't do that. But reality is is that you do

2362
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,360
Speaker 2: have team control on him, at least for one more year.

2363
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 2: He's under contract at a discounted rate on the rookie deal.

2364
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 2: And if we just spent forty five minutes on quarterbacks

2365
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 2: in the middle of November, which stinks, but if you

2366
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,680
Speaker 2: are thinking of drafting one of these quarterbacks, although I

2367
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 2: don't necessarily subscribe that mac Jones is the right guy

2368
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,720
Speaker 2: to keep the here to maybe start the first four

2369
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:35,240
Speaker 2: to six weeks, and he's not the right guy for that,

2370
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 2: and I agree with you one hundred percent, But there's

2371
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 2: still a world, especially and I hate this world, but

2372
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 2: there's still a world especially if Bill as the coach,

2373
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:48,639
Speaker 2: where it's a day two quarterback pick and it's somebody

2374
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 2: like a bow Nix, it's somebody that probably isn't going

2375
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 2: to be ready right away and is still.

2376
01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 4: Carson went right.

2377
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that there is a world that

2378
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:02,600
Speaker 2: you come back to training camp next summer and I

2379
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 2: don't want to use the word need mac Jones, but

2380
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 2: you need a mac Jones.

2381
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 4: He's the bridge guy. Well, yeah, you're gonna need a

2382
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 4: bridge guy, and he's already here, and he's affordable.

2383
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 2: And right, and so in all those aspects, I think

2384
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 2: that it behooves the Patriots to keep in mind that

2385
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:22,799
Speaker 2: you don't want to completely break this player, right, whether

2386
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 2: you're confident in him as a future or not, you

2387
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 2: don't want him to be completely broken where he can't

2388
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 2: be that bridge guy.

2389
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 4: And this goes back to a lot of what I've

2390
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 4: said about how they've handled mac Jones. You shouldn't be

2391
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 4: in the business of breaking players, right, And it's almost

2392
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:40,680
Speaker 4: felt at times like they want to be like they

2393
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 4: want to see how far they can push guys.

2394
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:42,720
Speaker 2: And I get it.

2395
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 4: You want tough players, and you got a test toughness,

2396
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 4: and they run the hill and all that, but.

2397
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 2: Tough teams cover kicks, Alex.

2398
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:51,760
Speaker 4: You don't want to be known as the team that

2399
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 4: breaks guys.

2400
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, That's why I really feel strongly that sitting

2401
01:52:56,200 --> 01:53:00,120
Speaker 2: him for at least a week and allowing him to

2402
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 2: to just watch and to not have the pressure of

2403
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 2: being the quarterback and especially and this is the one

2404
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 2: thing I wanted to mention about the Giant. I had

2405
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:09,920
Speaker 2: a whole thing about Dabele, but we don't have time

2406
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 2: for it. It's I think with dabel you know, the

2407
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:14,880
Speaker 2: one thing I want to mention about the Giants. Stay

2408
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:16,920
Speaker 2: on topic here, Yeah, the one thing I want to

2409
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:19,760
Speaker 2: mention about the Giants. If they put mac Jones out

2410
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 2: there on Sunday, wink Martindale is going to send the

2411
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:25,679
Speaker 2: house at him for four straight quarters. He's gonna blitz

2412
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 2: the crap out of him, and he's going to get

2413
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 2: his brains beat in. And I don't mean this like o'h.

2414
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 2: Just do it to Bailey Zappi, because who gives an

2415
01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:35,160
Speaker 2: f Like. I don't mean I'm not trying to be

2416
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:37,920
Speaker 2: disrespectful to Bailey Zappi, But when you already have a

2417
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 2: quarterback that's seeing ghosts, when you already have a quarterback

2418
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:42,600
Speaker 2: that's throwing off his back foot, when you already have

2419
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 2: a quarterback that is throwing terrible interceptions because of his mechanics,

2420
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 2: and he's broken, he's got the yips, Like putting him

2421
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:52,640
Speaker 2: out there against Wink Martindale is is not a good recipe.

2422
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:56,599
Speaker 2: Like he's going to send pressure after pressure after pressure

2423
01:53:56,680 --> 01:53:59,560
Speaker 2: at him and by the second half he's going to

2424
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:02,759
Speaker 2: be a pile of mud and right, Zappy at least

2425
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:06,919
Speaker 2: maybe it's ignorance is bliss for Zappy, But he's at least.

2426
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:07,720
Speaker 4: Not he's not sped up.

2427
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:10,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not broken at that respect. So I think

2428
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 2: in terms of the timing of it coming off the

2429
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 2: bye week, you had the extra practice last week to

2430
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 2: give Bailey Zabby some first team reps the matchup with

2431
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:22,559
Speaker 2: Wink Martindale. A lot of this is just like this

2432
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:25,400
Speaker 2: is just probably a bad spot for mac Jones. It's

2433
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:26,519
Speaker 2: just a bad spot for him.

2434
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't disagree. I just again, I I think

2435
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 4: that there's a chance you break him by sitting him too, Yeah,

2436
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:37,760
Speaker 4: because if you do that, how does he command the

2437
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:39,960
Speaker 4: locker room? How does he do some of that stuff?

2438
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 4: You need the starting quarterback to do when you've really

2439
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 4: muddied those waters.

2440
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 2: That's fair, all right, really quickly on Dable, I have

2441
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:50,040
Speaker 2: the I had this take when they fired Josh McDaniels

2442
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 2: in Vegas. And it's not a take like I just

2443
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 2: it's just a thought, ye about the Patriots offensive system. Yeah,

2444
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:02,680
Speaker 2: and this the whole Earnhard Perkins Patrioriots offense. And we

2445
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 2: have Josh McDaniels fired mid season. The Patriots right now

2446
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 2: are bottom five in the league in most statistical categories offensively.

2447
01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 2: The New York Giants are bottom five in the league

2448
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 2: in mostatistic categories offensively. So the Giants had injuries at quarterback.

2449
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:20,720
Speaker 2: I don't think Daniel Jones is good anyways, but he's

2450
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:27,839
Speaker 2: better than Pyon Yeah. Yeah. In general, I just wonder

2451
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 2: about the system. I do. I think with this system.

2452
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 2: The one thing about the Patriots offense is that it's

2453
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 2: predicated on consistent, detailed execution. There's not a whole like

2454
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 2: the Shanahan tree, the Eagles tree. Those guys are just like,

2455
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,600
Speaker 2: we're just gonna get people into space and we're gonna

2456
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:53,240
Speaker 2: run right right. This system is about you run a

2457
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:55,720
Speaker 2: six yard route. I run a twelve yard route. I

2458
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:58,000
Speaker 2: break it this way, you break it that way, quarterback

2459
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:00,720
Speaker 2: hits it here, and everything has to line up. And

2460
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:05,200
Speaker 2: I just wonder if there's only so many players on

2461
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:08,840
Speaker 2: planet Earth that can do that consistently time and time again.

2462
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:11,560
Speaker 2: And I do think that in some ways the practice

2463
01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 2: time is a factor here, that there's less practice time

2464
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 2: to practice these types of things. I look at Dable

2465
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:19,160
Speaker 2: and I give him the benefit of the doubt because

2466
01:56:19,200 --> 01:56:21,000
Speaker 2: he did have you know, they went nine to seven

2467
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:22,960
Speaker 2: and one last year with the healthy Daniel Jones, and

2468
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:25,879
Speaker 2: it was a much better offense last year. And obviously

2469
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 2: we saw what he did with Josh Allen. So I

2470
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 2: think that if you give Dabel the pieces, he's still

2471
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:32,160
Speaker 2: a really good offensive coach. And I give him that

2472
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:34,280
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt. But I do worry about the

2473
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:35,280
Speaker 2: system in general.

2474
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:39,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think kind of to your point, I think

2475
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:42,360
Speaker 4: the upside of the system is so high. Yeah, because

2476
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:45,320
Speaker 4: you can't you can be the best defense in the league.

2477
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 4: If it's working perfectly, you can't stop it. The concepts

2478
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:52,600
Speaker 4: behind it are all undefendable. Yeah, it's so hard to

2479
01:56:52,680 --> 01:56:57,600
Speaker 4: execute a consistency consistently at that level. And as college

2480
01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 4: teams move further and further away from those kinds of

2481
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 4: it's really hard to find the players who can play

2482
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 4: it right when he had number twelve here, Yeah, you

2483
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:07,960
Speaker 4: knew it was going to always be executed at a

2484
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:10,120
Speaker 4: high level. That was a big part of it. It's

2485
01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 4: tough to run with the rookie quarterback, with rookie receivers,

2486
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:16,720
Speaker 4: with guys that you kind of it's it's it's tough

2487
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 4: because I almost feel like you can't learn it in process.

2488
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 4: You just kind of have to do it. And that's

2489
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 4: just not the way the game works anymore. In your point,

2490
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:26,760
Speaker 4: lack of practice time makes that process a lot harder.

2491
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 4: So it was funny. I was asked this on Sunday.

2492
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 4: Budgem Louth. We were talking about this on Sports of

2493
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:33,800
Speaker 4: Sunday Kickoff, and he said he thinks that the offense

2494
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:37,560
Speaker 4: is going extinct, And I don't think the offensive system

2495
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 4: itself should go extinct, because I think in theory the

2496
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:43,080
Speaker 4: system still works. The players that you need to run it.

2497
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:47,520
Speaker 4: That kind of player may be going instinct extinct, and

2498
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:49,720
Speaker 4: that is ultimately what we'll run the offense out of

2499
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 4: the league. I think if you had the players to

2500
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:54,240
Speaker 4: run it, Coaches would run it. I think you might

2501
01:57:54,280 --> 01:57:56,280
Speaker 4: be running into a spot where they're just the players

2502
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 4: to run it Arenaville, and it's splitting hairs.

2503
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 2: At a certain point, might be yeah, we have to wrap,

2504
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:04,120
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, I just look at the Giants. They

2505
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:07,000
Speaker 2: were able to put it together against the Commanders offensively, right,

2506
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 2: and they had a good offensive game against the Commanders.

2507
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 2: The Patriots had a good offensive game against Buffalo. But

2508
01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:15,400
Speaker 2: in ordered, this system is so detailed and it's so

2509
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:20,040
Speaker 2: execution based that in order to execute that for seventeen

2510
01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 2: games a season and win at a high level like that,

2511
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:28,040
Speaker 2: you need to have incredible players that are built for

2512
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:30,800
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And I do wonder if maybe

2513
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:32,240
Speaker 2: we're at the end of the rope, like you kind

2514
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:34,360
Speaker 2: of mentioned, with the development and all that. All right,

2515
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 2: that's gonna do it for us here. We got PU

2516
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 2: coming up next here at noon, so hang tight, we'll

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01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 2: be right there with Unfiltered and next week, well I'm

2518
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 2: promised we'll talk more actual Patriots. It's a bye week.

2519
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 2: I had no game to talk about, so that's why

2520
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 2: we were really heavy on non Patriots here today. But

2521
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 2: we'll be back next week, same time, same actually Thursday,

2522
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:56,920
Speaker 2: back to Thursday next week at the same time, and

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01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:59,200
Speaker 2: we'll talk Patriots then. Thanks so much for listening, but.

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