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All thanks to the 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: Live Nation. 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: Calin's entertainment report is on the Fread Show. 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 3: The Judge in Whoa The Judge in Ditties Okay, Yeah Up. 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: The Judge and Ditty's ongoing federal trial reprimanded both the 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: prosecution and the defense after confidential details from a sealed 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 3: hearing were leaked to the media. He warned that further 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: breaches could lead to criminal contempt charges and even court 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: ordered device inspections or sworn testimony. With the prosecution expected 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: to wrap its case by Friday, which is big news. 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: The judge noted jury deliberations could begin as early as 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: next week and made it clear that the trial must 22 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 3: be decided solely on courtroom evidence, not leaked information. And 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: we talked about this, I think this week. You know, 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 3: for example, the oj trial, they were sequestered to these 25 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: hotel rooms. They didn't have you know, it was a 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: different time, but they didn't have phones or whatever. And 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: these jurors can go home, they have their phone, so 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: I mean it's to be expected. I think the judge 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: also held a closed door proceeding likely to question one 30 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: juror over an issue that might call for their dismissal 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: from the case. So there's a lot going on. By 32 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: the way, Fred and I are still on Karen Reid. 33 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: Wise, I was gonna say I don't care about him 34 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: at all, but Karen Reid did not do it. I 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: cannot believe that we're still I'm worried that we're still 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: talking about this. I might worry it over Monday ten o'clock. 37 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: They could have gone in there have been like, how 38 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: was your weekend? Good? 39 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: Okay, she still didn't do it right? Good? All right, 40 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: let's wrap this up and go home. We're still debating. 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: We're still debating, which is scary. 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: Although you made me feel better when you said that 43 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: I'm not sure where you saw this that the jury 44 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: was asking the judge a question on semantics over if 45 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: we charge her with the d u I or and 46 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: ow I or whatever, does that mean that we're charging 47 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: her with murder? 48 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: Can they be separate? And so that makes us both 49 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: feel like, you want to know where I've been. I 50 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: heard of it. 51 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I've been in the courtroom every day. When 52 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 2: I leave here, I fly to Boston, I go to 53 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: the courtroom. Yeah. No, I'm a courtroom reporter. I am, 54 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: I am, and so that's how I know. Yeah, but 55 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: the jury form is messed up. It's not clear. And 56 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: the defense argued, like the juris are going to get 57 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: confused by this like they did in the first case, 58 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: because it was the same format, And of course Aunt 59 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: Bev was like, no, nope, it's fine. And so the 60 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: question yesterday, I guess was so at the bottom of 61 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: all the charges, it was like, I think there was murder, manslaughter, 62 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff, bad stuff, and at the very 63 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 2: bottom it was essentially dui. They call it oh ui 64 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, I guess. And they know that she was. 65 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: They tested her at some point she was point zero 66 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: nine so they know that she was drunk. So the 67 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: question from the jury to the judge was, if we 68 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: convict her on the OUI charge, the least of all 69 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: the charges. I mean, at this point she could get 70 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: you know, manslaughter or OUI, i'll i'll take the driving 71 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: drunk at this point, and it sounds like she was, 72 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: of course, So I guess the question was that we 73 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 2: convict her on that, then do we have to convict 74 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 2: her on one of the murderer manslaughter charges up top 75 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: on this jury form? My so I'm obviously not in 76 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: a license attorney currently, but my summation, my guestimation from 77 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: that is that if they were going to charge her 78 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: for murder and manslaughter, they wouldn't care, right about you whatever, 79 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: it's like, hit her for all of it, whatever it is. So, 80 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: but if they're asking if if they convict her on that, 81 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: if it means the more serious charge, then I have 82 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: to think that they've already decided that she's innocent of 83 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: the murder part of it. Those Otherwise it would be like, well, 84 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: just who cares like? If we can victor her a 85 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: murder of manslaughter, then who cares? 86 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: Like? But they don't. I certainly they don't want to 87 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: do that. I hope that's the case. 88 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: I also wonder and if you know the answer, Texas, 89 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: if you can legally go after a judge, because if 90 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: I'm her legal team, I'm like, we need a new 91 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 3: judge for this retrial. 92 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 93 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: There's clear ties to one side and that's not fair. 94 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: So the other interesting tib on BEV. Yeah, we're done 95 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: with on BEV. 96 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah. 97 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 2: Another interesting tidbit is that I saw on the internet 98 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: and a lawyer friend of my pointed this out. Is 99 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: when the jury sent the note to the judge asked 100 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: the question, they referred to her as Karen, not as 101 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: the defendant or misread, which, apparently from the defense standpoint, 102 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: means that they like, that's a good sign, like they 103 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: identify with her as a human, like to call her 104 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: by her first name. It's not like I guess if 105 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: they psychologically, if they thought she was a criminal, they 106 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: might refer to her as something less or more formal. Right, 107 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: But the fact that they're hey, Karen, it's almost like 108 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 2: that's my friend, or like we have some kind of 109 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: a connection or whatever. 110 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: Now that could be. 111 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: That could mean nothing, but a lot of the people 112 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: who were speculating online yesterday were saying, that's a really 113 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 2: good sign. 114 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: There like a human aspect to this. I just don't 115 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: like that it's taking so long. 116 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: So because I would think if I were going to 117 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: convict someone of murder, I would, honestly, psychologically, I would 118 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: try and dehumanize my I have. 119 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: Would be a very. 120 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: Difficult thing to say, like, you're going to go to 121 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: jail with the rest of your life, and even if 122 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: you did it, and I think you did it, that 123 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: I'm responsible for that. So I think the people tend 124 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: to jurys tend to dehumanize the defense because it's like, well, 125 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: you're not a real person anymore because you're a murderer. 126 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: But in this case, it was Karen, Okay, some decent thing. 127 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: I think today. I think today, by lunch, I'm. 128 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: Done trusting you, trust me waiting every day every day. 129 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: Today, by lunch, it's over. She's going to get charged 130 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: with the OUI and she's going to get off on 131 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:40,119 Speaker 2: the other stuff. 132 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: All right, that's right, that's. 133 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: What I think. I don't think she did it. I 134 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: don't think she did it. And if for some reason 135 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: she did do it, she doesn't know she did it. 136 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 2: I really believe that. 137 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: Right, and it wasn't on purpose. Instantly his life is 138 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: already gone, and now we're going to ruin somebody else's life, 139 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 3: which is all the whole thing's awful, it's tragic, it's 140 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 3: very tritical. 141 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: It's adults making irresponsible decisions as a whole. Why are 142 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: we not talking about what cop sit we're driving drunk 143 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: that night? 144 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: Right? They're all the bar together. 145 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 3: Because they didn't get breathalyzed, so they can't prove it. 146 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: And really quick, you know how everyone's been making those 147 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore's, you know, their Mount Rushmore of this of that. Well, 148 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: someone made a mount Rushmore of Celebrities with No Haters 149 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: and I want to hear what you guys think about this. 150 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: So they put Jackie. 151 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: Chan, Keanu Reeves, John Cena, and Steve Irwin up on theirs, 152 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: which I pretty much I agree with all of those, 153 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 3: but I think we need a lady or two on there, 154 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 3: so I would add or vote miss Betty White or 155 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: Miss Dolly Parton. I think they would be on my 156 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: Celebrity with No Haters. Tom Hanks maybe would be a 157 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 3: good one, but it was just fun to think about. 158 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's true. 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