1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Brian Curtis. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: And I'm Paul Allen. Here are the stories we have 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: following today. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: Well, it looks like a pretty solid day shaping up 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: the ASX with that slow start, not doing too much 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: flat here at the moment, but equity futures are trading 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: higher pretty much right across the region. That after the 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: strong finish on Friday on Wall Street. The dollar is 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 1: trading mixed after a steep fall on Friday that was 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: prompted by a miss on the US jobs report for October, 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: and we'll get you details on that. In terms of geopolitics, 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Israel says that its troops have entirely encircled Gaza City. 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: That effectually means that the northern part of Gaza has 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: been cut off from the south. Will get more on 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: that coming up shortly. Anyway, the effect on markets this 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: morning is benign because we see futures tracking up. Hanksing 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: Index futures up one point two percent, China futures up 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: about six tenths of one percent. NICK futures at thirty 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: two thousand, seven hundred and seventy and that would to 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: be suggesting a good six hundred points of upside once 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: the Tokyo market starts to open. You mentioned that the 22 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,279 Speaker 1: dollar had weakened on Friday. The Bloomberg Dollar Spot index 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: was down eight tenths of one percent. We had yields 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: dropping pretty significantly. The yield on the tenure down to 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: four point five to seven percent. That was a drop 26 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: of nearly nine basis points that now it's time for 27 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: global news. US Middle East diplomacy is speeding up today 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: at Baxter has news from the nine to sixty news 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: from at San Francisco. 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: Ed. 31 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, so, O'Brien, let's go through at Secretary of 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: State Antony Blanket, after visiting Israel, has met with Palestinian 33 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: President Makmo Dea boss on the West Bank and then 34 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 4: travel to bag Dad, Iraq to talk about the future 35 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 4: of the region. 36 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 5: What we all agree is that in defining that future, 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 5: in shaping that future for Gaza, for the West Bank, 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 5: and ultimately for a Palestinian state, Palestinian voices have to 39 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 5: be at the. 40 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 6: Center of that. 41 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 4: And says he's tried to solidify the sentiment that Iran 42 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 4: and his proxies not esk laid any efforts toward peace. 43 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 5: I made very clear that the attacks the threats coming 44 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 5: from militia that are aligned with Iran are totally unacceptable, 45 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 5: and we will take every necessary step to protect our people. 46 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 4: And Meanwhile, evacuations of foreign passport holders and the injured 47 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: from the Gaza Strip to Egypt have appeared to stall 48 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 4: after more than one thousand people crossed earlier this month. 49 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 4: B Lincoln says a pause is being talked about to 50 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 4: solve the issue. 51 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 5: And Israel's raised important questions about how humanitarian pauses would work. 52 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 5: We've got to answer those questions. We're working on exactly that. 53 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 5: In fact, we agreed that our teams would get together 54 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 5: and they're doing just that. 55 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: And what about the reports that several hostages have been 56 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 4: killed and the Israel air strikes on Gaza, Well, Deputy 57 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 4: National Security Advisor John Feiner on ABC has heard on 58 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 4: Bloomberg says this has not been confirmed. 59 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 7: We are not on the ground. The United States government, 60 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 7: the United States military not on the ground in Gaza, 61 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 7: so it is very difficult to those claims. We obviously 62 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 7: have deep concerns about the safety and well being of 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 7: Americans and others who are being held there. 64 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 4: Meanwhile, US lawmakers have worked over the weekend at a 65 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 4: stopgap measure, need to fund the government beyond November seventeenth deadline, 66 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 4: and also look at funding for Israel. House Speaker Mike 67 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 4: Johnson didn't mention a new timeline and is fighting back 68 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 4: against Congressional Budget Office, saying that his taking funds for 69 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 4: Israel from the IRS budget will increase the deficit. 70 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 8: Only in Washington can you cut funding, add a pay 71 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 8: for to a new spending measure and they say that 72 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 8: it's terrible for the deficit. Listen, We're trying to take 73 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 8: care of our priorities and we will. 74 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: We know that these other. 75 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 8: Important measures are right there on the table and we're 76 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 8: working through it hour by hour, day by day. 77 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, Johnson says that we're going to cut the ever 78 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 4: ending spiral of debt and deficit. Hong Kong's Chief Executive, 79 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 4: John Lee is condemned a bill proposed by US lawmakers 80 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 4: to sanction officials, judges, and prosecutors in the city. Bipartisan 81 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 4: bid lawmakers in the House and Senate call and President 82 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 4: Joe Biden's administration to post sanctions on forty nine people who, 83 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 4: it may be said, may be responsible for enforcing Beijing 84 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 4: imposed national security law and Ukrainian presidential aid has rebuked 85 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 4: the nation's top military commander, offering a downbeat assessment on 86 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 4: the counter offensive against Russia. President of Vladimir Zelenski, saying 87 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 4: it is going well as for a negotiated settlement. 88 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 9: We don't want to make any dialogue with terrorists. And 89 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 9: the President of the United States and Congress bipartisans support 90 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 9: all these people. They know that I'm not ready to 91 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 9: speak with the tororists because the award is nothing. 92 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: Zelensky on NBC has heard on Bloomberg saying the US 93 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 4: understands his position. He will not negotiate global news twenty 94 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: four hours a day and whenever you want it with 95 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 4: Bloomberg News. Now in San Francisco, I'm at Baxter. This 96 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 4: is Bloomberg Bryant. 97 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: And coming up we will be talking more about the 98 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: Israel Hamas War with Jonathan Pennakoff from the Atlantic Council. 99 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: Now it's time for the top business stories of the hour. 100 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: Billionaire Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway is now sitting on a 101 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: record pile of cash. We get that story from Bloomberg's 102 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: Denise Pellegreeney. 103 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 10: One hundred and fifty seven point two billion dollars in 104 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 10: the third quarter. That's thanks to higher interest rates and 105 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 10: also limited meaningful deals where Buffett could otherwise put his 106 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 10: money to work. The conglomerate actually trimmed its overall equities 107 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 10: portfolio in the quarter, and Berkshire also reporting operating earnings 108 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 10: of ten point seven to six billion dollars, a jump 109 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 10: on the previous year thanks to elevated interest rates I 110 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 10: mentioned on the cash pile, and also gains at its 111 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 10: insurance business. Overall, Berkshire posted a loss for the quarter 112 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 10: wider than the year prior, primarily due to losses on 113 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 10: its equities portfolio. The firm also spent one point one 114 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 10: billion dollars on Buybecks in the period, and that brings 115 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 10: the total for the first nine months of the year 116 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 10: on buybeckx to about seven billion dollars. Denise pellgreny Bloomberg Radio. 117 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: Friday's employment report on the US show to draw growth 118 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: moderate or moderate more than expected. Last month, the October 119 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: non farm payrolls report showed to gain one hundred and 120 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: fifty thousand jobs. The unemployment rate is also rosatech to 121 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: three point nine percent, and monthly wage growth slowed. Atlanta 122 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: Fed President Rafael Bostic says policymakers now have time to 123 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: watch how the US economy is evolving, and he thinks 124 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: they can be patient when it comes to interest rate 125 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: moves today. 126 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 11: My outlook is that we're going to stay on that 127 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 11: slow and steady and if we continue to do that, 128 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 11: then I think where we are now will be sufficiently 129 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 11: restrictive to get us to the two percent level for inflation. 130 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 11: But there's still a lot that's going to happen between 131 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 11: now and even the next meeting. 132 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: In Bostic also said he thinks officials can get inflation 133 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: to levels that are close to the Fed's target without 134 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: seeing a recession. 135 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: Brian Well Wall Street is looking at another busy week 136 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: a head for earnings. Let's get the story from Bloomberg's 137 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: Charlie Pellett. 138 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 3: Just over four hundred members of the S and P 139 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: five hundred index have reported so far, and many US 140 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: companies have been putting on a better than an expected 141 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 3: show for their third quarter results, boosting investor confidence. Naddie 142 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: Lovell is, senior US equity strategistic UBS Financial Services. 143 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 12: The early season is coming in better than expected, and 144 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 12: so we think that the outlaw continues to improve among. 145 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: Some of the names reporting this week the Walt Disney Company, Armholdings, Biogen, 146 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: Devon Energy, d R, Horton, Ubs, and Uber. In New York, 147 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: Charlie Pellett Bloomberg Radio. 148 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: We go to China next, and Australian Prime Minister Anthony 149 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 2: Alberenzi is in Shanghai hoping to improve ties between China 150 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: and Australia and there is some optimism on that front. 151 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: Albenizi says China will remain Australia's largest trading partner for 152 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: the foreseeable future. 153 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: We want to see any impediments which are there. 154 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 13: For our trade to be removed and dealt with. 155 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: He's pleased by China's recent decisions on Australia and Bali 156 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: and Hay, and that both countries are on the p 157 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: to restore wine trade, and he thinks foreign investment from 158 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: China will continue to contribute to Australia's growth and the 159 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: creation of jobs, but there is more work to do Brian. 160 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: Meantime, Chinese Premier Lee Chiang is vowing to boost imports 161 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: and expand market access in China. Let's get the story 162 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg's Rashad Solomon. 163 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 14: Premier Lee pledged to protect the rights and interests of 164 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 14: foreign investors, telling the China International Import Expo, Beijing would 165 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 14: continue to promote opening up with greater inclusivity. The comments 166 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 14: coming is foreign investment into China TOURN negative for the 167 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 14: first time since records began in nineteen ninety eight. The 168 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 14: country has been seeking to lure foreign investors back in 169 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 14: an effort to aid its economic recovery. Meantime, finance mins 170 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 14: Land for And said China would speed up the issues 171 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 14: of additional government bonds to ensure what he called an 172 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 14: intensity of spending. I'm Richard Seal at Bloomberg Radio. 173 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: I fond as Samble of fox Con saw sales decline 174 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: in October to try to launch the probe into the company. 175 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Joe and Wong has more. 176 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 12: The big iPhone maker reported a four point six percent 177 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 12: decline in October revenue to the equivalent of twenty three 178 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 12: billion dollars. Still, the company is sticking with what it 179 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 12: calls a significant growth outlook for the December quarter that's 180 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 12: typically as busy as period given. 181 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 13: Year end iPhone shipments. 182 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 12: This comes as Foxcom find itself in the crosshairs of 183 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 12: tax audits and a land use review by Chinese authorities. 184 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 13: The investigation complicates. 185 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 12: Apple's position, and its biggest international market investors are also 186 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 12: growing more skittish about the iPhone's prospects in China. A 187 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,479 Speaker 12: new smartphone from Huawei has only added to that skittishness. 188 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 13: In Hong Kong, joined Wang Bloomberg Radio. 189 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. I'm Brian Curtis along with 190 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: Paul Allen, and our guest is Jonathan Pennacoff, director of 191 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: Scocroft Middle East Security Initiative at the Atlantic Council. Jonathan, 192 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: thanks very much for joining us. So Israeli troops encircling 193 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: Gaza City. We can talk a little bit about that. 194 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: The Secretary of Saint Anthony Blincoln pretty aggressively traveling through 195 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: the Middle East, and not least of which meeting with 196 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: President Makmunabas in the West Bank. But I wanted to 197 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: ask you about Israel suspending its Heritage minister from cabinet 198 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: meetings after he made the comments about the possibility of 199 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: using an atomic bomb in the conflict. Now, even with 200 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: that suspension, does that ratchet up the risk that we're 201 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: facing with that conflict? 202 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 6: Well, and thanks for being with me. Good morning for 203 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 6: those listly in Asia. Look, obviously it was completely uncalled for, 204 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 6: you see, wise for condemnation as there should be, not 205 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 6: only from Israeli allies and including United Arab Emirus, but 206 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 6: from Israel itself. Promison then Yahoo threatened to push them 207 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 6: completely out of the cabinet. Amhi Eliahu is the minister's name. 208 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 6: The reality is what he doesn't speak for the government, 209 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 6: but he is part of the far right, the far 210 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 6: right that has been very protective of the subtle movement 211 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 6: in the West Bank, a far right that includes spokes 212 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 6: like Besilosmotrich, and I think the concern is that it'll 213 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 6: ratchet up tensions. Frankly, not so much even in Gaza, 214 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 6: but in places like the West Bank, where there's already 215 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 6: been an increase in tension and hostilities. And if you 216 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 6: see a real outcoming of violence from the West Bank, 217 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 6: then it opens yet another front that Israel is going 218 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 6: to have to deal with at a time that in 219 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 6: Israel as well as of course the US is desperately 220 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 6: trying to keep this conflict isolated to just Gaza. 221 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, the intention here really to prevent escalation. But you 222 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: mentioned the West Bank, but we've also had Israel firing 223 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: on Hezbela targets in the north near the border with Lebanon. 224 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: What's the significance of that. 225 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, Look, so this has gone back and forth 226 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 6: now for quite a while. Towards since the beginning of 227 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 6: the conflict. There have been deaths from Israel Defense Forces soldiers, 228 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 6: there have been deaths of his Balla members, and there 229 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 6: have been deaths of civilians in the door. It's not 230 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 6: getting the attention because it seems like all sides you're 231 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 6: desperately trying to keep it at a level below escalating 232 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 6: it to what we see as a full scale conflict. 233 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 6: But of course that's an incredibly risky strategy. The chances 234 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 6: for unintended escalation that somebody responds too much or too 235 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 6: far then had been anticipated, could quickly escalate this into 236 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 6: a full scale conflict. Not that different than what we 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 6: saw in the two thousand and six Hezballah isra war. 238 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 6: You heard Nosrala, the Hibala leader, on Friday, give a 239 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 6: public speech. I think he clearly had the same message 240 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 6: that they are defending Kamas, they are defending the ideology, 241 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 6: and they are the vanguard against Israel. But trying to 242 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 6: prevent it from actually escalating further. We're gonna have to 243 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 6: wait and see it. It's a risky strategy all. 244 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 13: Around, Johnathan. 245 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: With Israeli troops encircling Gaza City, what's this strategy behind that? 246 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, so really what it is is it's about trying 247 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 6: to cut off and deal with Gaza in portship so 248 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 6: that you're not trying to deal with all of Gaza 249 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 6: all at once. So what you're seeing is you see 250 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 6: now for weeks, is you're trying to convince people to 251 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 6: move from the north to the south of the Gaza Strip. 252 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 6: Hundreds of thousands have listened. The hundreds of thousands haven't 253 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 6: and are very very scared for understandable reasons. There's a 254 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 6: history of Houstonians feel like they're being displaced. But for Israel, 255 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 6: it's a bit of a kipch twenty two because if 256 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 6: they didn't warn people as they try now to start 257 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 6: an operation more meaningfully, then you'd see even more civilian 258 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 6: deaths than we have. What Israel is hoping to ultimately 259 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 6: do is probably undertake what I would say are more 260 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 6: precision type strikes now. I think originally, when fort Wise 261 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 6: the conflict was starting, there's a concern that Israel would 262 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 6: just go kind of full scale from north to south. 263 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 6: I think it has taken some US advice and is 264 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 6: now trying for a bit more precision. 265 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: I see that please is baked into the strategy, the 266 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: belief that the Palestinian leadership is somehow concentrated in the 267 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: Gaza city and that if they're able to neutralize Hamas there, 268 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: that they could almost then not have to continue with 269 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: the ground push into the south. 270 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 6: I think that's true part of it, but I think 271 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 6: it's hard to tell. The Hamas leadership has a history 272 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 6: of using underground tunnels, of using flanks of the ambulatory vehicles, 273 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 6: of using any means to move around and try to 274 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 6: get the protection. I don't obviously know. I think nobody 275 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 6: doesn't use always not going to disclose it what the 276 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 6: intelligence is actually showing them. I think that what is 277 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 6: probably true is that they know that a large amount 278 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 6: of the weapons cachet is a large amount of the 279 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 6: command and control censors of Kamas, A large amount of 280 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 6: the infrastructure that the terror cell is built up over 281 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 6: the years is concentrated in Gaza City, and so this 282 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 6: is I think a first step, if it's also a 283 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 6: last one, then all the better for everyone. But I 284 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 6: wouldn't want to say that we're there yet. 285 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: It's one thing, of course, to encircle Gaza City, but 286 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: as we know, there was an impressive network of tunnels 287 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: underneath of the city. What's being done to nullify the 288 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: impact of that. 289 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's absolutely right, and I think look, this is 290 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 6: the siege toward Gaza City is all part of this, right. 291 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 6: I think you will see the IDF work to collapse 292 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 6: a number of those tunnels, but to do so in 293 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 6: ways that actually call for smalling munitions to try to 294 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 6: limit the civilian casualties and the impact of even destruction. Obviously, 295 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 6: those tunnel networks are vast and having the intel is 296 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 6: critically important. The one challenge really is though it's not 297 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 6: quite clear where all the hostages are. Obviously, I know 298 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 6: that's something the US and Israel are working on. 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