1
00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,160
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

2
00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

3
00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,440
Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Reuters Zipsos poll shows that thirty

4
00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,440
Speaker 1: nine percent of Americans approve of how Trump is handling immigration.

5
00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,959
Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today, the

6
00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,239
Speaker 1: Mary Trump Shows. Mary Trump stops by to talk about

7
00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,800
Speaker 1: the rhetoric of her uncle Donald Trump and the violent

8
00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,840
Speaker 1: attack on Congresswoman Eohan Omar. Then we'll talk to New

9
00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,440
Speaker 1: York Governor Kathy Hochel about how she will try to

10
00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,120
Speaker 1: protect New Yorkers from ice. But first the news Molly.

11
00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,879
Speaker 2: So Trump called for a drawdown of the rhetoric. How

12
00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,519
Speaker 2: long do you think he could keep that up for?

13
00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,680
Speaker 1: A man is going to send in Jade Vance to

14
00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:53,880
Speaker 1: calm nerves, to cool tempers, the famously cool headed Jade Vance. Look, man,

15
00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,200
Speaker 1: I am without words. Here's the thing. This administration is

16
00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,880
Speaker 1: on the back foot. Okay, they relieve the two officers

17
00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:07,560
Speaker 1: that killed Alex pretty they moved little Greg Bavino back

18
00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,080
Speaker 1: to California where he's torturing day workers in California.

19
00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,840
Speaker 2: I really like the cover of Drudge right now where

20
00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,520
Speaker 2: it's a picture of him Sigkiling goodbye. It's really really

21
00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,640
Speaker 2: great on Judge's part.

22
00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lil Gregy is out. There are a lot of

23
00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,280
Speaker 1: Republicans calling for Ice Barbie to be deported back to

24
00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,160
Speaker 1: the private sector. You know, there's noise that Stephen Frau,

25
00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,880
Speaker 1: Stephen Miller. So look, this is an administration that is

26
00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,120
Speaker 1: on the back foot. What happens next is a real question.

27
00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,160
Speaker 1: It is the moment to push for Stephen Miller to go,

28
00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,560
Speaker 1: because so much of what's happening right now is because

29
00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,760
Speaker 1: of Stephen Miller. So much of what we're seeing is

30
00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,960
Speaker 1: the fantasy of a person who is a white nationalist

31
00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,400
Speaker 1: who wants to deport all of the people who do

32
00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,640
Speaker 1: not look white. And that is what we're watching right now.

33
00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,240
Speaker 1: So you know they're saying they may draw down. I

34
00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,760
Speaker 1: don't believe they're going to draw down in Minnesota. I

35
00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,120
Speaker 1: do not think Tom Holman is Maybe Tom Holman is

36
00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,280
Speaker 1: a little better and non murdering people, but he is

37
00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,000
Speaker 1: still cut from very same cloth as Greg Bavino. So

38
00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,360
Speaker 1: this administration is on the back foot. They know the

39
00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,400
Speaker 1: polling is bad, they know this is not popular. They're

40
00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,880
Speaker 1: trying desperately to reclaim the narrative. This is the moment

41
00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,280
Speaker 1: to push harder and push for more Molly.

42
00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,160
Speaker 2: We saw a horrible incident with ilan Omar yesterday, getting

43
00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,840
Speaker 2: attacked by a syringe. There's this picture where you see

44
00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,680
Speaker 2: the drops of liquid coming out of the syringe at her,

45
00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,360
Speaker 2: and yet she still charged him, which was insanely brave.

46
00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,440
Speaker 2: Maxwell Frost got attacked at sun Dance this week. But

47
00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,480
Speaker 2: Trump is accusing elan Omar of having her self sprayed

48
00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,520
Speaker 2: because of course he's rapping down the rhetoric.

49
00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. This is not ramping down the rhetoric in

50
00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,120
Speaker 1: any which way. It's really important to realize that, like,

51
00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,440
Speaker 1: even though they're are some really bad people in this administration,

52
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,760
Speaker 1: the head of the administration is also a really bad person.

53
00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,280
Speaker 1: And even though sometimes he can be funny and charismatic

54
00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,359
Speaker 1: and so his supporters don't think of him that way,

55
00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,920
Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that you only say

56
00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,800
Speaker 1: when you really don't want to take time the temperature,

57
00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,760
Speaker 1: when you really want to see more of this. And

58
00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,440
Speaker 1: it's also stoking the conspiracy. Trump is a person who

59
00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,280
Speaker 1: is very much born of this conspiracy theory thinking he

60
00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,000
Speaker 1: has you know, he came on the scene with birthism

61
00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,840
Speaker 1: he is a conspiracy president. The person who did this

62
00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,440
Speaker 1: has a very long history of being racist against Somali's.

63
00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:49,280
Speaker 1: You could see how Donald Trump doing this continues to

64
00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,960
Speaker 1: stoke division and stoke anti Somali rhetoric. But if he

65
00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,480
Speaker 1: were to say it was real, then what would happen.

66
00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,839
Speaker 1: Then he would have to sort of take some ownership.

67
00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,120
Speaker 1: Whereas if he says that this is not real, if

68
00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,880
Speaker 1: he says that she did it herself, he's able to

69
00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,640
Speaker 1: sort of get his conspiracy minded followers activated.

70
00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really like the right wing coming to the

71
00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,040
Speaker 2: defense of her attacker, saying, well, look this looks staged.

72
00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,240
Speaker 2: His kids are liberals. It's like, honey, I got news

73
00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,080
Speaker 2: for your kids, rebel.

74
00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

75
00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,360
Speaker 2: My grandparents were Republicans, right.

76
00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole idea is that this is what

77
00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,919
Speaker 1: Donald Trump wants, This is what this kind of rhetoric does,

78
00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,200
Speaker 1: and so none of us should be surprised.

79
00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,960
Speaker 2: So we see one Tom Tillis turning on Christinome as

80
00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,960
Speaker 2: the sides divide over who to blame for this. He

81
00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,640
Speaker 2: says she should be out of a job.

82
00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is really interesting, and this is like

83
00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,480
Speaker 1: real proof that they're on the back foot. Is that

84
00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,279
Speaker 1: you have Christy nom being this sort of punching bag.

85
00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,680
Speaker 1: You have Tom Tillis who has suddenly found his voice,

86
00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,839
Speaker 1: which is again now like remember, if you're trying to

87
00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,800
Speaker 1: take control of the chamber the Senate, you need Tillis, Murkowski,

88
00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,919
Speaker 1: Collins and one more. It's only one Republican. So is

89
00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,800
Speaker 1: that Rand Paul? Maybe right? Rand Paul making a lot

90
00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,520
Speaker 1: of noise? Is that Mitch McConnell who's out and who's

91
00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,640
Speaker 1: voted against Trump at Trump cabinet appointees? I mean, you know,

92
00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,760
Speaker 1: is it some other Republican who is ambitious and wants

93
00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,200
Speaker 1: to run for president in twenty twenty eight and sees

94
00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,040
Speaker 1: how toxic all of this is. So it's certainly good

95
00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,960
Speaker 1: they're going after Gnome. It's worth of wondering, like if

96
00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,760
Speaker 1: they are turning on each other, and you saw that

97
00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,960
Speaker 1: Axio's reporting where they're all turning on each other. But

98
00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, once they start leaking like this, you have

99
00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,200
Speaker 1: a lot more power. Democrats have a lot more power

100
00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,160
Speaker 1: than they think they do.

101
00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of Republican on Republican violence, Marco Rubio was

102
00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,080
Speaker 2: on the floor today, would you be shocked to hear

103
00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,160
Speaker 2: that Rand Paul was who I think he had the

104
00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,400
Speaker 2: biggest dust up with I will be shocked.

105
00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,760
Speaker 1: So I think you're going to have to prove it.

106
00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,760
Speaker 1: Hear that ran Paul clip.

107
00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,360
Speaker 3: For what it is, and let's vote on these things.

108
00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,599
Speaker 3: But I think we're in violation of both the spirit

109
00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,239
Speaker 3: and the law of the Constitution by bombing a capital,

110
00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,520
Speaker 3: blockading a country, and removing elected officials. And we certainly

111
00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,760
Speaker 3: wouldn't tolerate it, nor would I if someone did it

112
00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,160
Speaker 3: to us. Well, we didn't remove an elected official. We

113
00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,400
Speaker 3: removed someone who was not elected, and it was actually

114
00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,000
Speaker 3: an indicted drug trafficker in the United States and their

115
00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,000
Speaker 3: system our laws, indicted under our laws. Look, Bolsonaro says

116
00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,279
Speaker 3: that Da Silva is not really the president of Brazil.

117
00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,080
Speaker 3: Our president said Biden wasn't really the president. Hillary Clinton

118
00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,919
Speaker 3: said in twenty sixteen Trump wasn't the president. So you

119
00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,520
Speaker 3: have these arguments, and I agree with you him it

120
00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,080
Speaker 3: probably was and most likely was most assurely was a

121
00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,200
Speaker 3: bad election. He wasn't really elected. But at the same time,

122
00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,000
Speaker 3: if that's our predicate, and you don't have to come

123
00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,640
Speaker 3: to us, because as it's a drug bust, we're just

124
00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,960
Speaker 3: removing somebody. You can see where it leads to, and

125
00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,200
Speaker 3: it leads to chaos. And that's why we have rules

126
00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,920
Speaker 3: like the Constitution, so we don't get so far out

127
00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,200
Speaker 3: there that presidents can do whatever they want. It is

128
00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,640
Speaker 3: this check and balance, and I would argue for seventy

129
00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,400
Speaker 3: years we've been going the wrong way. It isn't just

130
00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,320
Speaker 3: this president, but it's a debate. That thing's worth having.

131
00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,160
Speaker 1: If you have views, like real views that you believe,

132
00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,520
Speaker 1: then you're going to sound like Rampaul. Rampaul is a libertarian.

133
00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,000
Speaker 1: We're seeing this again and again that the left and

134
00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:31,240
Speaker 1: libertarians are opposing this massive imperial Presidenten say, so you

135
00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:36,280
Speaker 1: see ideologically how how we got here. It's not surprising.

136
00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,000
Speaker 1: Mary Trump is the host of The Mary Trump Show

137
00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,120
Speaker 1: and the author of Who Could Ever Love You? A

138
00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,720
Speaker 1: family memoir. Welcome Mary Eymally. How's it going good. I

139
00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,440
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the video last night, the

140
00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,920
Speaker 1: iohan Omar video of the attacker. She was so brave.

141
00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,920
Speaker 1: I was like, and I was shocked by the way

142
00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,920
Speaker 1: her body language was at that moment. What did you say, Yeah, well.

143
00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:07,400
Speaker 2: She is frave.

144
00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:13,360
Speaker 4: She's been dealing with vicious racist attacks from the president

145
00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:18,440
Speaker 4: of the United States for years now, and I'm sure,

146
00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,520
Speaker 4: because she's quite smart, that she's been prepared for a

147
00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,200
Speaker 4: moment like this, because that is the inevitable result when

148
00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,040
Speaker 4: the most powerful person, if not on the planet, that

149
00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,240
Speaker 4: certainly in the country, puts you in the crosshairs of

150
00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,880
Speaker 4: his fanatical followers. What I find really troubling is that

151
00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,280
Speaker 4: there seems to be no mechanism to stop him from

152
00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:49,080
Speaker 4: targeting other Americans from his extremely influential, fully pulpit. You know,

153
00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,960
Speaker 4: obviously she's not the only person, but he has been

154
00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,920
Speaker 4: hammering on her in particular, and smaller Americans in general.

155
00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,040
Speaker 4: I don't know that there's anything that can be done

156
00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,560
Speaker 4: about it, but at the same time, something has to

157
00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,360
Speaker 4: be done about it.

158
00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,920
Speaker 1: And Maxwell Frost, who's also a member of Congress, who's

159
00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,960
Speaker 1: quite young. He's the youngest member of Congress I think,

160
00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,160
Speaker 1: or this was the second youngest member. He was attacked

161
00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:19,720
Speaker 1: at Sundance by some crazy I actually hadn't heard that. Yeah,

162
00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,040
Speaker 1: I actually he was. It was reported and then I

163
00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,080
Speaker 1: texted him. And part of this is fear, right, it's

164
00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,800
Speaker 1: using fear to control voices. I mean, what do you

165
00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:30,760
Speaker 1: what do you say? What's your take on it?

166
00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a very powerful tool,

167
00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,880
Speaker 4: and it's something that Donald and the Republican Party understand,

168
00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,079
Speaker 4: even if only intuitively. They also understand that the more

169
00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,679
Speaker 4: afraid you can make people, the easier it is to

170
00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:50,840
Speaker 4: shift them into uh fight mode. Fear doesn't feel good,

171
00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:56,040
Speaker 4: but it makes people malleable, and it makes it easier

172
00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,160
Speaker 4: to make them angry because anger can actually feel very good.

173
00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,800
Speaker 4: So these people are acting out of fear, but it's

174
00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,520
Speaker 4: manifesting itself as anger and sometimes a rage.

175
00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,400
Speaker 1: It is right out of the authoritarian playbook. There was

176
00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,880
Speaker 1: this really excellent piece in The Atlantic about like why

177
00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,000
Speaker 1: it has now tipped into authoritarianism? You know, the origin story,

178
00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,480
Speaker 1: you know the principle. I wonder what you think is

179
00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,400
Speaker 1: so is different about him from the last administration to

180
00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,679
Speaker 1: this one. I think a number of factors.

181
00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:37,439
Speaker 4: One, he's declining emotionally, psychologically, cognitively, and physically. He's old

182
00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,760
Speaker 4: in a way that other people his age are not,

183
00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,200
Speaker 4: because he's so deeply unhealthy. That makes him more dangerous

184
00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,760
Speaker 4: because on some level he's aware that he's losing control

185
00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,600
Speaker 4: of himself. And the narrative, I mean, we see him

186
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,400
Speaker 4: in real time losing control of the narrative in Minneapolis,

187
00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,840
Speaker 4: he's a vis ice. And also in the context of

188
00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,920
Speaker 4: the economy, he can go to Iowa as many times

189
00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,000
Speaker 4: as he wants and lie as many times as he wants.

190
00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,560
Speaker 4: The economy is great, and inflation and prices are down.

191
00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,160
Speaker 4: But you know, Americans understand their own lived experiences, and

192
00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,360
Speaker 4: you can only believe your own.

193
00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,359
Speaker 1: Line eyes for so long in certain contexts.

194
00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,880
Speaker 4: The other issue, of course, and you know you've talked

195
00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,319
Speaker 4: about this a lot, is that that the other side

196
00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:28,120
Speaker 4: was very prepared for the second his second term. They'd

197
00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,920
Speaker 4: been working I guess you know the Republicans do this.

198
00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,080
Speaker 4: They played the long game.

199
00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,880
Speaker 1: There was no way for them to know whether or not.

200
00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,719
Speaker 4: He would get back into the Oval office, but they

201
00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,920
Speaker 4: planned things as if he would. So on day one,

202
00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,800
Speaker 4: he'd already gotten rid of the so called adults in

203
00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,160
Speaker 4: the room to the extent that they were that, you know,

204
00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,520
Speaker 4: people who at least believed to some degree in the

205
00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:58,800
Speaker 4: constitutional order and American institutions. He had his bullpend of

206
00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,720
Speaker 4: sycophants lined up in ready to go. They had the

207
00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,200
Speaker 4: fascist playbook twenty Project twenty twenty five ready to go.

208
00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:06,839
Speaker 1: So I think that.

209
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,000
Speaker 4: Explains in part why, and I use the word advisedly.

210
00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,280
Speaker 4: The Trimorghiam has been so successful in breaking everything, and

211
00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,800
Speaker 4: not just in this country, but also you know, the

212
00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,040
Speaker 4: post World War two order NATO.

213
00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:26,240
Speaker 1: So there's a very good essay in New York Magazine

214
00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,280
Speaker 1: about a very real accounting of Donald Trump's house. Real

215
00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,040
Speaker 1: put the word reel in quote. You are quoted in

216
00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,880
Speaker 1: this by Ben Terris, and at one point he says,

217
00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,319
Speaker 1: my father had the best heart. Right, there's a lot

218
00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:48,280
Speaker 1: of heart health obsession, but at some point his brain

219
00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,079
Speaker 1: got that and he's forgotten the word Alzheimer's. Yes, say

220
00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,000
Speaker 1: what you want.

221
00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,199
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, as for hearts, yes, my grandfather

222
00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,040
Speaker 4: was an extraordinarily healthy man. But unlike his son, he

223
00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,480
Speaker 4: didn't drink twelve die cokes a day. I mean, I

224
00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,840
Speaker 4: guess he was sort of sedentary. He was in his

225
00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,360
Speaker 4: office all the time. But as a younger person like

226
00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,240
Speaker 4: he did manual labor and stuff like that. It was

227
00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,960
Speaker 4: very strong and comparatively speaking, you know, he wasn't eating

228
00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,880
Speaker 4: McDonald's every day. He had sort of the standard American meat,

229
00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,480
Speaker 4: potatoes and vegetables on occasion, diet of the forties and

230
00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,440
Speaker 4: fifties and sixties. So yes, my grandfather was a very

231
00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,360
Speaker 4: physically healthy and long lived person who loved to be

232
00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,440
Speaker 4: ninety three, I think.

233
00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:32,679
Speaker 1: But my dad, on.

234
00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,880
Speaker 4: The other hand, had open heart surgery when it was

235
00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,800
Speaker 4: thirty nine, so clearly there are some issues potentially there.

236
00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,560
Speaker 4: But obviously the thing that is on Donald's mind, even

237
00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,560
Speaker 4: though he doesn't know the word for it, is Alzheimer's.

238
00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,480
Speaker 4: I think you wrote this on Twitter, like the fact

239
00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,000
Speaker 4: that the guy can't remember the word for Alzheimer's, Well,

240
00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,679
Speaker 4: that's telling, and you know he must again on very

241
00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,960
Speaker 4: little is conscious with because he's expending so much of

242
00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,840
Speaker 4: his psychic energy protecting himself from actually knowing what's going

243
00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:07,400
Speaker 4: on with him.

244
00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,240
Speaker 1: But clearly he knows.

245
00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,520
Speaker 4: As I said earlier, he's losing control of himself with

246
00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,160
Speaker 4: the narrative, and he's losing control of himself in that

247
00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,040
Speaker 4: way he's so often can't remember words, he doesn't he

248
00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,040
Speaker 4: seems not to know where he is, sometimes, he can't

249
00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,440
Speaker 4: remember the people he's with sometimes. So it is on

250
00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,800
Speaker 4: his mind and it is a concern, and I think

251
00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:35,080
Speaker 4: that's partially what drives his occasional forays into discussing the

252
00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,200
Speaker 4: afterlife and God, which is kind of funny to me

253
00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,600
Speaker 4: because he thinks he's the only higher power there, so

254
00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,640
Speaker 4: it's just legacy and yeah, and it's only going to

255
00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,920
Speaker 4: get worse and he yeah, in terms of legacy. That's

256
00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,640
Speaker 4: fascinating as well, because he's omitted. If he doesn't build

257
00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,520
Speaker 4: these monuments to himself, nobody else will. And I think

258
00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:57,360
Speaker 4: that's part.

259
00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,400
Speaker 1: Of like hedging the the fears of.

260
00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,600
Speaker 4: His own mortality again, something about which he has never

261
00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,240
Speaker 4: thought before. Because a problem for him, which is also

262
00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,600
Speaker 4: a problem for all of us, is I don't know

263
00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:17,600
Speaker 4: that he believes anything anyone can or should exist beyond him.

264
00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,680
Speaker 4: He's a nihilist, and you know that I think makes

265
00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,680
Speaker 4: him more desperate increasingly.

266
00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,080
Speaker 1: The nihilism is such an interesting point because we see

267
00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,440
Speaker 1: this like nihilism. It's funny. It's like it reminds me

268
00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:36,520
Speaker 1: of like this nineteen eighties kind of capitalist nihilism, right,

269
00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,640
Speaker 1: I think of Braddy's Nallis novels, this idea that there's

270
00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,600
Speaker 1: not going to be an afterlife, there's not going to

271
00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,120
Speaker 1: be even a life after them, and so you just

272
00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,040
Speaker 1: got to burn it all down and churn and burn.

273
00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,040
Speaker 1: The way that this administration talks about Minnesota, how much

274
00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,680
Speaker 1: do you think that informs his governing style? Oh, I

275
00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,000
Speaker 1: think the guy who like still lives in the eighties.

276
00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know everything about him scream's go go eighties.

277
00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,040
Speaker 4: I also think, though, that a lot of what you

278
00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:11,400
Speaker 4: talk about is being replicated, Like among tech bros, tech oligarchs,

279
00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,720
Speaker 4: et cetera. They all act like it doesn't matter what

280
00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,080
Speaker 4: comes next because they'll have so much money that they

281
00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,440
Speaker 4: can just live in bunkers. It's like, is that really,

282
00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,560
Speaker 4: Like do they they don't have any considerations for their

283
00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,680
Speaker 4: children or their grandchildren, or they've convinced themselves that, you know,

284
00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,360
Speaker 4: as long as they're in a really a luxury bunker,

285
00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,280
Speaker 4: it's fine.

286
00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,880
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of fascinating.

287
00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:44,280
Speaker 4: It's so it's destructive, yes, but it's also really self destructive, right,

288
00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,400
Speaker 4: And they seem not to have learned any of those lessons.

289
00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:54,160
Speaker 4: And I think that that impetus informs everything Donald does

290
00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,400
Speaker 4: because the only thing that matters is wealth, because that

291
00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,840
Speaker 4: stands in for everything else. If he has money, he's

292
00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,280
Speaker 4: worth something like literally, Yeah, I think.

293
00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,600
Speaker 1: That's really important. The monuments a really important idea too,

294
00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,720
Speaker 1: but this idea that wealth is the only measure by

295
00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,639
Speaker 1: which you can measure success, which is like a very

296
00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,960
Speaker 1: kind of dynasty. I'm thinking of dynasty, the shell, not dynasty,

297
00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,800
Speaker 1: the dynastic stuff, right, is very dynasty idea that you're

298
00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,639
Speaker 1: measured by your oil fields. And we do see Trump

299
00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,879
Speaker 1: like his obsession with oil, his inability to think in ways.

300
00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,679
Speaker 1: You know, for example, you don't have to be an

301
00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,520
Speaker 1: environmentalist to think that, and many of these people are

302
00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,040
Speaker 1: not to think that nuclear is a better is a

303
00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,320
Speaker 1: better play, right than oil is cheaper if nothing else,

304
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,439
Speaker 1: or it's not it's more expensive to build, but ultimately cheaper.

305
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,879
Speaker 1: I wonder if we could talk about the anxiety he

306
00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,800
Speaker 1: feels about legacy and about mattering, but also the anxiety

307
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:04,080
Speaker 1: he feels about losing it, because I know I have

308
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,400
Speaker 1: a parent with dementia and it makes me very anxious

309
00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,320
Speaker 1: about my good brain. What do you think about that?

310
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,560
Speaker 1: What do you see in that behavior? Yeah, I mean,

311
00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

312
00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,000
Speaker 5: I'm hoping it skips, if not my whole generation at

313
00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:20,359
Speaker 5: least me.

314
00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:30,280
Speaker 1: That's unkind. So that's all right, so interesting.

315
00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,240
Speaker 5: I just want to say one other thing about legacy,

316
00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,000
Speaker 5: because yes, on the other hand, we see him building

317
00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:40,120
Speaker 5: monuments to himself, apparently completely unaware that the second he's

318
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,160
Speaker 5: exited stage left, they're all coming down.

319
00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,320
Speaker 4: His name will be on nothing ever, and he doesn't

320
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,399
Speaker 4: get that. But what's interesting is he doesn't believe in

321
00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,159
Speaker 4: legacy in the way my grandfather believes in legacy. Like

322
00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,119
Speaker 4: my grandfather wanted his empire to exist in perpetuity and

323
00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,240
Speaker 4: he thought that Donald would be the best person to

324
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,600
Speaker 4: make sure that happened. Then, as we know, like three

325
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,239
Speaker 4: years after my grandfather died, everything got sold off, right,

326
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 4: there is no legacy of my grandfather's.

327
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,440
Speaker 1: It's all gone. It's all gone.

328
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,600
Speaker 4: So Donald doesn't believe in that kind of He doesn't

329
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,879
Speaker 4: believe in the dynastic kind of legacy because he can't

330
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,880
Speaker 4: bear the thought that one if his children would succeed

331
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 4: him and as in be more successful than or as

332
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:27,720
Speaker 4: successful then.

333
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,400
Speaker 1: So that part of it's really fascinating.

334
00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,080
Speaker 4: But as for his anxieties over his losing it, I'm

335
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 4: guessing that that is what is driving most of.

336
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 1: His desperation because there's literally nothing he can do about it.

337
00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,920
Speaker 4: He can lie to himself, he can change the subject,

338
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 4: he can try to distract himself. But yet again he's

339
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 4: going to give a speech that is going to humiliate

340
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 4: him and the entire country. He's going to prove to

341
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 4: us that he can't hold a thought and said, he

342
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 4: cannot construct an argument that's logical or coherent. He cannot

343
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 4: say one thing without drifting off into some weird agent.

344
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 1: And it's I'm.

345
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 4: Not entirely sure how much longer people can protect him

346
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 4: from that. At the same time, I mystified that they

347
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 4: keep letting.

348
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: Him out in public. It's amazing and it's interesting because

349
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 1: clearly the thing I'm struck by for one point zero

350
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: versus two point zero is that in two point zero

351
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 1: it really does feel like Stephen Miller is just running

352
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,959
Speaker 1: the whole White House. Like the reason that things have

353
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 1: gotten so much worse is a Trump is in power,

354
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 1: but also Stephen Miller is really making like he's making

355
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 1: these decisions. And I mean maybe Trump has some, but

356
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 1: I just feel like it feels like and then when

357
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: you look at like Venezuela, clearly Marco is doing the

358
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 1: foreign adventuring because Trump one point oh was no foreign adventuring.

359
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 1: Trump two point zero is like, maybe we should get Greenland.

360
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: Maybe it feels like us sort of loosening of his

361
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 1: mind in a way, you know, the few tenants that

362
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 1: he had, like no foreign adventuring are gone, well because

363
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: he didn't really believe that.

364
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 4: It was just like he didn't he wasn't ever going

365
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 4: to release the EPSTEM files, right, you know, it was

366
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 4: a empty campaign promise. All of his campaign promises were empty,

367
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 4: either because he had no intentionship of keeping them or

368
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 4: because he's incapable of keeping them, like you know, fixing

369
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 4: the economy or ending the Ukrainian War, et cetera. On

370
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 4: day one, day one of the transition, Day one impossible

371
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 4: and illegal. It is weird, like we I think this,

372
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 4: these two things are happening in parallel.

373
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: On the one hand, You're right, Steven.

374
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 4: Miller's running the show in the White House. He's driving

375
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 4: these immigration enforcement horrors. Rubio is making decisions certainly in

376
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 4: Venezuela and perhaps other places. But Donald is definitely acquisitive

377
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 4: in a way he's always been. But it's worse now

378
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 4: because while well, because the corrupt dilegit of its Supreme

379
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 4: Court supermajority gave him almost unlimited power, a truly imperial presidency,

380
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 4: he got away with everything, even thirty four Counsel, which

381
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 4: he was convicted.

382
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 1: Got away with that. He still hasn't paid e Gen

383
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 1: Carolyn Dime.

384
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 4: The very very serious and solid and righteous cases Jack

385
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 4: Smith was bringing against him gone, as if the slate

386
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 4: has been wiped clean, why shouldn't he keep doing what

387
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 4: he's always done, pushed the envelope to see what he

388
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 4: can get away with, knowing that he's going to get

389
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 4: away with it because he always has. So there is

390
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 4: this weird On the one hand, he doesn't seem to

391
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 4: be in control, but on the other hand, yeah, he

392
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 4: wants Greenland, he wants to have had a mac candal,

393
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 4: He wants to remove heads of foreign countries who don't

394
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 4: subscribe to his particular and of fascism, et cetera, et cetera.

395
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 4: You know, we see what he's done with Yhue law

396
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 4: firms and institution is higher learning, et cetera. So I think,

397
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know what can be done about

398
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 4: the areas in which he actually is in control or

399
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 4: is at least willing of other people. Craft a policy

400
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 4: in which we take over Greenland.

401
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 1: That's tricky.

402
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 4: Hopefully what we'll stop that is United pushback from the

403
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 4: EU and Canada, et cetera.

404
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: But I think the simplest.

405
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 4: Way, well, it just to put a finer point on that,

406
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: it's when he runs into reality. That's what's happening with Ice,

407
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 4: that's what's happening with the economy. Hopefully that's what's going

408
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 4: to be happening with his imperialistic ambitions when it comes

409
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 4: to something like Steven Miller. Simplest way to get rid

410
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 4: of Steven Miller is to make it very clear to

411
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 4: Donald that Steven Miller makes them look like a puppet.

412
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 4: Steven Miller makes it look like Donald doesn't know anything,

413
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: isn't in control of everything anything, and has no power.

414
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 4: That's the best And the fact that people are calling

415
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 4: for Miller to be fired, I think it's a good

416
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 4: sign because it will bring to Donald's attention this idea

417
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: that people actually think that Stephen Miller is running the show,

418
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 4: which makes Donald look bad and humiliates him.

419
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it also may actually be true. This is

420
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: one of these times where the right messaging is also

421
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: very likely the truth. I mean, we're not in there,

422
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: but you can see Steven Miller's handprints on every you know, yep,

423
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: from the Nick Shirley video to them going Ice to

424
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: stop Somalion refugees who are here legally on refugee programs

425
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: to them killing two American citizens and going their ANTIFA.

426
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: You know they were agitators. I mean, they get every

427
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: which way of it. Though. I do think the most

428
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: amazing moment, and probably the clearest sign that Trump is

429
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: having some cognitive issues, is when he says, you can't

430
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: have done well.

431
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 6: I mean, and that's again how he keeps painting himself

432
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 6: into these rhetorical corners because he needs people to believe,

433
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 6: at least the people willing to believe him.

434
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: That Renee Good and Alex Pretty are responsible for their

435
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: own death right. And in the case of his Good,

436
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: they have a video taken from.

437
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 4: An angle in which it is not at all clear

438
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 4: that her murderer, Jonathan Ross, was not hit by her car.

439
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 4: She was not right, So they had that. With Alex Pretty,

440
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 4: it's so clear that he was murdered in cold blood,

441
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 4: and the only thing they've got is well, he was

442
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 4: brandishing a weapon.

443
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: He was there to assassinate people.

444
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: And Donald needs to keep trying to convince people that

445
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 4: he deserved it because he had a gun.

446
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: Not recognize this is going.

447
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 4: To low back pretty quickly one because video evidence contradicts

448
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 4: everything they're saying about this killing. Yes, he had a

449
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 4: gun because NRA, there's a second Amendment in this country

450
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 4: that the repulic that has Republicans tried to tell us

451
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 4: that every American, including people with psychiatric illnesses and domestic abusers,

452
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: should be able to have any kind of gun they

453
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: want at any time anywhere, except maybe black people.

454
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't like that, but mister Pride was a.

455
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 4: White pat So it's going to be fascinating to see

456
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 4: how he gets out of this one. And that's what

457
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 4: I mean, like he is having a very difficult time.

458
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: Hanging on to a clean narrative. It's just not worked

459
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: it for him. Yeah, yeah, Mary Trump, thank you, thank you,

460
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Maledje On Fest. Kathy Hochel is

461
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: the governor of New New York. Welcome to Fast Politics,

462
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: Governor hokl thank you, Molly. Coming off a big snowstorm,

463
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: lots of winning. I want you to talk about how

464
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: you're working with our mayor and what you're doing there

465
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: when it comes to childcare, which is a big win

466
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: and the subway.

467
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 7: Talk us through that happy too, because my job as

468
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 7: governor means I also represent eight point five million residents

469
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 7: of New York City. So the process works much better

470
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 7: when you have a governor who's willing to work with

471
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 7: the mayor. And this is kind of a radical concept

472
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 7: in New York politics. For generations, there's always been this

473
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 7: clash of Titan mail egos. Everybody's fighting for the credit

474
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 7: and who went first in a press conference. So that's

475
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 7: kind of dominated life in politics in New York. And

476
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 7: I broke that mold.

477
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: Right off the bed.

478
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 7: I said, the days of us fighting each other are over,

479
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 7: and so I worked. I actually work with Bill de

480
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 7: Vlasio for his final months and Eric Adams and may

481
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 7: or Mom Donnie. I want to work with him. So

482
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 7: we have been talking about childcare. How we can get

483
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 7: to a plan that meets what he has wanted to

484
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 7: do and part of his campaign, but also fulfills my

485
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 7: commitment for universal childcare, which I've been talking about a

486
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 7: longer period of time and have made major investments. And

487
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 7: so how we do which we answer your question. We

488
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 7: just started conversations over the summer into the fall, even

489
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 7: before the election, and said, you know, our big announcement

490
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 7: will be right in January, and let people know that

491
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 7: you know, we have this relationship now that allows us

492
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 7: to work together, working on together on our budgets. We

493
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 7: work together on snowstorm preparation. We've been texting back and

494
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 7: forth and I told him he needs to wear a

495
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 7: hat when he's out there shoveling, and he's agreed, So

496
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 7: I'm going to get him.

497
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: A new hat.

498
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 7: So I think it's people feel better about this. A

499
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 7: lot of people came out to me on the streets

500
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 7: of New York and say, I'm glad you work with

501
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 7: the mayor instead of fighting.

502
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: So that's what I do naturally.

503
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 7: But I think people should have that expectation of their

504
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 7: elected officials, like just work it out, figure out a

505
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 7: plan that makes people know we're putting the residents first

506
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 7: ahead of our own egos.

507
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: What about people who say, like, this is not necessarily

508
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: how I feel, but you cave to Mondame. You see

509
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: the political wins that he has, this populace movement, and

510
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: you're trying to what do you say to those people.

511
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 7: I don't know what they're talking about. There's no evidence

512
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 7: that I've caved because I don't cave. Number one, you know,

513
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 7: I've been in this role for four years and you

514
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 7: can look at the areas where I was told I

515
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 7: would lose all kinds of battles, but guess who wins

516
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 7: those almost unanimously. I know how to get things done

517
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 7: in Albany and in the job as governor, so I

518
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 7: don't think there's any evidence. I decided to endorse him

519
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 7: when it became clear he would win because I wanted

520
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 7: to have a relationship where we could actually get stuff done.

521
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 7: And that's why we work together on addressing budget concerns

522
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 7: early on dressing childcare, early on talking about transportations, how

523
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 7: we can work together to build more housing in New

524
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 7: York City because the rents are too damn high. So

525
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 7: I don't think there's any evidence of what they're talking about.

526
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 7: I've always been a moderate, you know, a little left

527
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 7: of center. But what I'm doing now is what I

528
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 7: would do regardless of the mayor is. I have been

529
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 7: talking about childcare for four years and invested eight billion dollars.

530
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 7: This is not a new issue for me. Same with

531
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 7: affordable housing. Big focus on my past administration or my

532
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 7: past budget, so the critics will say what they want.

533
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: I know who I am.

534
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 7: I'm not changing, but I also know that you know

535
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 7: I have an obligation to take care of New York

536
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 7: City residents. As well as the rest of the state.

537
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 7: So it's not that hard tell us what the childcare

538
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 7: will look like. It's going to be very interesting to

539
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 7: get this off the ground in a way that other

540
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 7: states have not even contemplated. Two different dynamics downstate and

541
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 7: enough state. Why is that because New York City jumped

542
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 7: in earlier. You know, back under bilde Blasio, they worked

543
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 7: on not just four K but three K programs, and

544
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 7: so they're further along than upstate. So I told the

545
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 7: mayor and he was very happy to hear this commitment.

546
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 7: We're committing one point two billion dollars for this year

547
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 7: and next to expand two areas where they want to

548
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 7: start this two year old program and start talking about how,

549
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 7: first of all, some high need areas we can offer

550
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 7: this to families and then scale up from there while

551
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 7: they're fixing their three K program, which has disparate results

552
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 7: in different parts of the city. That's another area will

553
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 7: help them with. So I'm putting money behind that as well.

554
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 7: Upstate New York, we don't even have universal four K programs.

555
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 7: I've offered this for years, but there has not been

556
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 7: a lot of uptake from local school districts and communities,

557
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 7: So now we're not giving it an option. We'll be

558
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 7: at one hundred percent four year olds completely covered starting

559
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 7: in two years. But also I'm scaling up a program

560
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 7: or starting a program to cover newborns to three year

561
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 7: olds and working with community partners, So I'm putting money

562
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 7: behind that in other parts of the state. So ultimately

563
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 7: we'll get to the place where the state is in

564
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 7: one place, but I just have to put money in

565
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 7: different places depending on what the needs are and where

566
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 7: we are with respect to the ages.

567
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about I really am. I that was great,

568
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: and this is.

569
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 7: Great for employers. Employers should be praising this because guess what,

570
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 7: the only reason people need childcare so then go to jobs.

571
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 7: And this is going to allow more women to get

572
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 7: back in the workforce. Something I had to give up

573
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 7: a job I loved. I always wanted to work for

574
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 7: Senator wint In I was his counsel, loving life on

575
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 7: Capitol Hill. A couple of babies come along, couldn't find

576
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 7: any childcare and how to leave. So I live that,

577
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 7: and so I'm very sensitive to what those babies who

578
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 7: are now having their own babies are having to deal

579
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 7: with as well. So I'm really glad we could tackle

580
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 7: this issue head on.

581
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: I want you to talk about ice because this is

582
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: actually really scary. So, you know, I talked to Governor

583
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: Walls a lot. He's in an impossible situation. There are

584
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: not that many things that states can do to protect

585
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: their citizens from and their nont sentence from ice. I mean,

586
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: so talk us through what you know. Ice has killed

587
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: two people in Minnesota. They're here, but not in the

588
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: same numbers. Talk us through what you can do as

589
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: governor to protect us from ice.

590
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 7: Mollie, This is still so painful to think about that

591
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 7: there's you know, two thirty seven year olds whose lives

592
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 7: were lost on the altar of an abusive power that

593
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 7: has run rampant throughout the Trump administration, but more so,

594
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 7: as we've seen with the execution of ice policies, it

595
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 7: is so Unamerican. What is happening on the streets of

596
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 7: our own country is so on American that I do

597
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 7: step back and say, what can I, as the Governor

598
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 7: of New York do. Just a couple of weeks ago,

599
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 7: in my State of the State address, I announced that

600
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 7: we are going to officially declare and enforce that there

601
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 7: are sensitive locations in the State of New York that

602
00:33:53,520 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 7: you cannot go into. You cannot go into houses of worship, schools, hospitals, daycares, courtrooms.

603
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 7: You have to leave those alone. And I'm matting homes

604
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 7: to this. You know what, I shouldn't have to add

605
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 7: homes because we have a Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search.

606
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 7: But you know what, no one's following the constitution, So

607
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 7: I'll do what I can here in the State of

608
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 7: New York. Number two, when you deprive an individual of

609
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 7: their life for their liberty or their their assets, you know,

610
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 7: you go into a business and ransay a second and

611
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 7: destroy the merchandise and cause problems when you're in the

612
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 7: middle of a nice investigation or a nice seizure. I

613
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 7: want New Yorkers to have a private right of action

614
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 7: to hold these rogue actors accountable, so you cannot just

615
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 7: come in and violate people's constitutional.

616
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: Rights in New York without consequences.

617
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 7: Once I get this pass that, I feel very confident

618
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 7: that the legislature will follow my lead on this.

619
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: We're actually looking at other options as we speak.

620
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 7: I'm leaving here to go to a meeting to talk

621
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 7: about what else can we do because this moment in

622
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 7: time calls for us to use our voices, the bully pulpit.

623
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: That we have have.

624
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 7: I called on Secretary Nome to resign and had a

625
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 7: lot of support for that because she is out of control.

626
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 7: And even Donald Trump has started to see what is happening,

627
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 7: because his polling on this issue is desperately low, and

628
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 7: they know there's going to be an impact on their

629
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 7: elections this upcoming November, and they're starting to panic. It's

630
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 7: a shame it took the lives of two Minnesotans to

631
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 7: have them reach this point, because they have been out

632
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 7: of control, going after people in courtrooms and on farms

633
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 7: and in factories all over New York for a solid

634
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 7: year now, and it just has to stop. We don't

635
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 7: want the borders open. Go back and protect the borders.

636
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 7: I don't want criminals. I don't want narco terrorists. I

637
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 7: don't want human traffickers. I don't want murders and rapists.

638
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 7: Go after the worst of the worst, mister President, that

639
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 7: you said you were going after, that's not what we're

640
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 7: seeing when you go after high school kids and college students.

641
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 7: An analyst at City Hall, for God's sakes, have you

642
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 7: met an analyst lately, they're not really intimidating people. They're nice,

643
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 7: pretty mellow. They took an analyst out of city hall.

644
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 7: So stop this insanity. Let us have our country back

645
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 7: before it's too late.

646
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: I was talking to a chief of staff for a

647
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: governor who we were talking about how they're trying to

648
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: help state law enforcement understand they may not have to

649
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: work with ICE and that there will be times probably well,

650
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: ICE will do things that cross a line and they're

651
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: going to have to defend the law. Have you had

652
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: conversations like this, and also more generally, what do you

653
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: think about having to have conversations like this.

654
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 7: It's pathetic that you have to have conversations like this.

655
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 7: But our state law is clear. We are known as

656
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 7: a sanctuary state. But let me be very clear on

657
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 7: what that means, as I had explained under eight hours

658
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 7: of ruling testimony when I was hauled up before the

659
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 7: House Oversight Committee just last May with Tim Walls and JB. Prisker,

660
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 7: because they want to make a show out of sanctuary

661
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 7: states like New York. Sanctuary means this, we will assist

662
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 7: in criminal investigations those categories I just describe. I don't

663
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 7: want those criminals here in the state of New York.

664
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 7: I don't want them to hurt New Yorkers. I don't

665
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 7: want them to hurt members of the ummericant community will

666
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 7: help you get rid of them. Law enforcement in New

667
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 7: York is encouraged to help you to get rid of them.

668
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 7: But we will not, I repeat, not, assist in civil

669
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 7: enforcement of immigration laws.

670
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: You have enough to do.

671
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 7: You have a vast organization funded wildly funded by the

672
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 7: Big Ugly Bill, or you put more resources there than

673
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 7: most other federal agencies. So why do you need the

674
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 7: state's help. I want my law enforcement focused on what

675
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 7: we do best. You're going after retail theft and domestic violence,

676
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 7: and people are involved in shootings or gangs.

677
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm not allowing our.

678
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 7: Resources at the state level to be deployed to help

679
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 7: you do something that I don't support. Unless you're going

680
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 7: after criminals. If you're going after criminals, will help you.

681
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 7: You're going after people coming here for better life.

682
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: We are not. And also civil is not criminal. Right

683
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: by definition? Civil is not criminal.

684
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, the interpretation by ICE and the Trump administration, the

685
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 7: act of crossing the border is a crime. Therefore, anybody

686
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 7: is subject to enforcement. We don't agree with that. It

687
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 7: is not a crime to cross the border unless you've

688
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 7: been here, sent back and come again.

689
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: That does constitute a crime.

690
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 7: But most of the people coming here for their first time,

691
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 7: it is a civil violation, and I'm not deploying state

692
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 7: resource to help you. I've got to take care of

693
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 7: keeping our streets safe. That's what a sanctuary state.

694
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: Is all about. Talk to me about what's happening in

695
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: the subway a.

696
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 7: Lot better than it used to be when I first

697
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 7: became governor. If people were terrified to go in the

698
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 7: subway during the pandemic, the height of it, when Oma

699
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 7: Crome was hitting and our subway ridership was plumbing, our

700
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 7: revenues were weighed down. I literally had to save it

701
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 7: from going off a fiscal cliff, put a lot of

702
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 7: state resources into.

703
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: Bulk it up.

704
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 7: Crime is down to record lows. I don't think we've

705
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 7: seen such low incidences of crimes on our subway in

706
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 7: about a decade or longer. In some days have literally

707
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 7: been the lowest and recorded history. The summer in the fall,

708
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 7: which I'm very proud of. But I will never sit

709
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 7: here and say mission accomplished, because there's always that one

710
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 7: more high profile, frightening incident that's going to occur. It's

711
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 7: just the fact of life in a city where you know,

712
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 7: four or five million people take the subway every day.

713
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: But I feel good about where we are.

714
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 7: I've been deployed additional law enforcement there to make people

715
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 7: feel safer. Every single train and platform has a camera.

716
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 7: I put that in motion. We have barriers, so people

717
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 7: who are afraid of being pushed into the tracks by

718
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 7: someone who may be committing a crime or else just

719
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 7: having a mental health episode and doesn't know what they're doing,

720
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 7: we have people protected with the barriers.

721
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: So we're working really hard on it. Molly.

722
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 7: This is the lifeline of New York City, downstate New York,

723
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 7: and I have to keep working every day to protect dining,

724
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 7: working with the mayor and the NYPD as well. This

725
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 7: is where we've had a number of press conferences talking

726
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 7: about our success but also our renewed commitment to make

727
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 7: sure that success continues.

728
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: Do you think it was a mistake to send the

729
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: guard to the sell Es.

730
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 7: No, the crimes were heading way up, Molly. Was March

731
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 7: of a year and a half ago. Crime was going up.

732
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 7: The fear was setting in again because there had been

733
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 7: high profile cases and the data was showing a trend

734
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 7: that was disturbing. And by sending them down there just

735
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 7: to calm everything down, I can't tell you the number

736
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 7: of people who came up to me and thanked me

737
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 7: for just restoring some peace Lily. One month later, crime

738
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 7: started dropping again because it was that presence. Now they

739
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 7: were not doing anything other than this thing there, and

740
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 7: I said, make sure you smile at everybody, be really nice.

741
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 7: You know we're here to help you, and say hi

742
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 7: to everybody. I mean, you're not a threatening presence. So

743
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 7: moms told me they weren't afraid to have their kids

744
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 7: go on the subway for school again. A senior citizen said,

745
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 7: I felt much better, thank you for doing that. So

746
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 7: I did that just in response to what was happening.

747
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 7: We've been able to dissipate a lot of that now

748
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 7: because the crimes are coming down. But I have to

749
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 7: let New Yorkers know I will pull out all the

750
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 7: stops to make sure they get to their destinations safely.

751
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: That is my number one responsibility. Public safety. Talk to

752
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: me about at least aphonic going to run against you

753
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: for governor. Super excited had a whole case against Zoran

754
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: that she was going to prosecute Donald Trump. Hazoran in

755
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: the Office basically explains that Alise was being islamophobic in

756
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: talk me through watching that, because I watched it and

757
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, please talk me through your gut

758
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: take there?

759
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 7: Oh gosh, really well, you can't make this stuff up.

760
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 7: She was ready to go. In fact, she led out

761
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 7: Mike Lawler. Remember, yeah, he was ready to go, and

762
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 7: I also think he started seeing the polls.

763
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: But Elise was ready to go.

764
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 7: Ready to rank the mega kool aid, was ready to

765
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 7: be the you know, the president's greatest champion and enlist

766
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 7: his help. And you know, I had talked to the

767
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 7: mayor before he went into that meeting with the president,

768
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 7: because I had had many meetings to get the President

769
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 7: to stand down on sending the national Guard or a

770
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 7: surge of ice in the past, and you know, so

771
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 7: far it's been working. So we just had a good

772
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 7: conversation about how to you know, kind of neutralize that

773
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 7: dynamic and make a little more positive. And I think

774
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 7: the mayor did a phenomenal job in that meeting, but

775
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 7: jaws were definitely dropping when he disagreed with the least

776
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 7: de bonic, you know, in conversations there and asked by

777
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 7: the press, and all of a sudden, you can feel

778
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 7: like this deflation because you know what she did right

779
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 7: after it, she doubled down and we were able to

780
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 7: say the only time she's ever disagree with Donald Trump

781
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 7: is whether or not Zora Mandami's a jihatis.

782
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean, how extreme have we gotten in politics?

783
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 4: Or so.

784
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 7: She also wanted Trump's endorsement, and he wouldn't give it

785
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 7: to her. I think he saw that she was imploding,

786
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 7: so you know, he gave to someone that you know,

787
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 7: weighed down in the foles has no chance. But but

788
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 7: he just didn't want to help her, and boy did

789
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 7: he abandon her. It was pretty brutal. He was pretty

790
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 7: it was pretty platt Yeah.

791
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: And well deserved. Your lieutenant governor is running is primary

792
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: and you talk us through what's going on there.

793
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 7: Everybody has their own ambitions, Molly, you know, it's just

794
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 7: I have no words.

795
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: I just I had hoped for a partner.

796
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 7: I didn't realize it was someone who wanted the job

797
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 7: from the first day and it was gonna, you know,

798
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 7: do whatever was required to subvert our efforts here, and

799
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 7: so I tried I mean I'd been a I had

800
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 7: been a lieutenant governor for eight years.

801
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

802
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 7: I wanted to have someone that I could trust, that

803
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 7: I could send out to go to events and talk

804
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 7: about our accomplishments and have their own portfolio of meaningful work,

805
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 7: which I offered, you know, and hired more staff from.

806
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 7: I gave him a lot, and just you know, I

807
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 7: couldn't overcome ambition, I guess, So I'll deal with that.

808
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 7: You know, the polls are very favorable for us. We

809
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 7: have our convention next week, and we feel really good

810
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 7: about that. I mean, people are coming out wrongly for us,

811
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 7: and I'll.

812
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: Get through that.

813
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 7: It's a shame because my focus should be on defeating

814
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 7: the mega Republican because so much as a stake in

815
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 7: this country right now that I should not be dealing

816
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 7: with this distraction. But this is democracy, you know. I

817
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 7: we'll dispose of this in June and we'll move on

818
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 7: to November.

819
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: Do you have a new lieutenant governor? Will you get

820
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: a new lieutenant governor? How do you just sort of

821
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: because that's actually a real job.

822
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, No, it's a job that hasn't been done

823
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 7: in years. Yeah, it's a shame. I've been pretty much,

824
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 7: you know, without a partner in this space or an

825
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 7: ally to help us. But that's all right. I've we're

826
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 7: doing fine. At the convention on February sixth, we'll name

827
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 7: my next nominee for a lieutenant governor, and that personal

828
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 7: run is a running mate with me, sort of the

829
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 7: way the president and a vice president does. We just

830
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 7: change that so they don't have to run separately. So

831
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 7: that person will be announced, but they wouldn't take office until,

832
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 7: you know, presuming we win in November, until next January.

833
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 7: So I'm still have this dynamic of not really having

834
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 7: a lieutenant governor. But like I said, we're doing fine.

835
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: Is the person you're going to nominate? Like, is it

836
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: someone we know? Is it someone who's been working in

837
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: your politics? Just curious it would be someone that is known. Yes, yeah,

838
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: thank you, Governor Hokel. I really appreciate you just sort

839
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: of rolling with it. I had so much I wanted

840
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: to ask you, And I do think like the partnership

841
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: you're doing with our mayor, you can really feel it

842
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: on the ground. It's very cool. We enjoy each other's company.

843
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 7: We do like, yeah, we have a lot of good

844
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 7: conversations and why not, right, Yeah.

845
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: We have a lot of common interest areas where I disagree.

846
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: He knows very well. I've been clear. He's clearly disagreed

847
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: with me. That's fine.

848
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 7: As long as he put the interest of eight point

849
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 7: five million New York City residents ahead, will be good partners.

850
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: That's very good. Thanks governor. Thanks while I talked to

851
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: again in a moment, Jesse Cannon.

852
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 2: My drunk fast. So we have new State Department memos

853
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: that admit that they had no grounds to the poor

854
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian students. I can't say I'm shocked.

855
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm shocked they had no grounds. This is all

856
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: just like somebody crazy in the administration. So this woman

857
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: got arrested for writing an op ed in a student

858
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: newspaper that was critical of Israel. Okay, like these are

859
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 1: the free speech people. That doesn't sound very free.

860
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: I always thought comedy was legal free speech. Unfortunately, what

861
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: we keep seeing over and over again is these people

862
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: are really just thinking that they're going to score some

863
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: points with a faction they'd like to win over to

864
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: their side, and they always do it in the dumbest.

865
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: Way possible, really, the dumbest. They were never for free speech.

866
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: They're huge hypocrites. This was all just fucking bullshit to

867
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: try to get disaffected liberals or whoever they could trick

868
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: into believing that they believed in free speech. The American

869
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: people got rolled by this guy, and every day, every

870
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: fucking news story we see is further proof that the

871
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: American people have been rolled by yet again electing a

872
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: complete fabuloust at best, a fabuloust at worst, a two

873
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: bid con man to the office of presidency two times.

874
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

875
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday to hear the best

876
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If

877
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend

878
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.