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Speaker 1: Welcome in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we

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Speaker 1: roll through the Monday edition of the program, having lots

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Speaker 1: of fun with all of you. Big topic of discussion.

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Speaker 1: I think we've said this, but in the event that

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Speaker 1: we haven't mentioned in a while, we're gonna be in

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee for the entire Republican National Commission. So we will

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Speaker 1: be there Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday right through all of

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Speaker 1: that will be broadcasting live headed out. Looking forward to

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Speaker 1: being in Milwaukee, especially that time of year, should be

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Speaker 1: spectacular in July. We know we have a tremendous listenership

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Speaker 1: up there and we appreciate everybody who listens with us.

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Speaker 1: It appears that Trump will make his VP selection in July.

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Speaker 1: I would bet fuck if I were making a guess.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they do some sort of huge July fourth extravaganza.

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Speaker 1: Trump obviously is a showman. It would not stun me

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Speaker 1: if the Trump team decided, hey, we're going to do

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Speaker 1: a massive July fourth, America is awesome celebration and he

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Speaker 1: was going to unveil his VP around there. They may

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Speaker 1: decide that that would get not enough attention because a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are going to be out having their

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Speaker 1: own July fourth celebration, so maybe they do it a

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Speaker 1: day or two. On either side, I would bet somewhere

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Speaker 1: in the vicinity of July fourth, Trump will unveil his nominee,

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Speaker 1: his his VP nominee. That would be That would be

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Speaker 1: my bet. The betting markets, you have been supporting JD. Vans,

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Speaker 1: He is now the second most likely VP choice, the

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Speaker 1: most likely VP choice. I'm looking at polymarket. There are

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars that have been bet on this. It's

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Speaker 1: my favorite place to go kind of assess. Tim Scott

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Speaker 1: is the most likely gambling favorite.

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Speaker 2: JD.

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Speaker 1: Van second, Marco Rubio third, a least Stephonic fourth, Ben

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Speaker 1: Carson is fifth. That is the top five. Christy Noam

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Speaker 1: used to be the favorite. She was over twenty percent

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Speaker 1: in many betting markets for months. She now is all

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Speaker 1: the way down to let's see five, so Nicky Haley's

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Speaker 1: at three percent, Buck Noam's below Nicki Haley Now. Nicky

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Speaker 1: Haley's in the sixth spot, Ron DeSantis in the seventh spot,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Huckabee Sanders in the eighth. Christy Noam has now

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Speaker 1: fallen all the way to the ninth most likely VP choice.

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Speaker 1: So she has gone from most likely VP choice just

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Speaker 1: a few months ago to now in the ninth spot,

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Speaker 1: just above RFK Junior, Mike Pompeio of ak Ramaswami. In

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Speaker 1: that universe, okay, and a lot of you out there,

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Speaker 1: a lot of money's been bet on Christy Noam. In fact,

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Speaker 1: at the time, the most money has been bet on

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Speaker 1: Christy Noam of all VP candidates. That's how popular she

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Speaker 1: was not very long ago. Okay, So I bring that

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Speaker 1: up for this reason. She has lit her political future

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Speaker 1: on fire, and it's totally all unforced errors coming out

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Speaker 1: of her decision to write a book, which I would

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Speaker 1: imagine is both a money grab. You take the money

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Speaker 1: for the book. I would bet she got three or

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Speaker 1: four hundred thousand in advance. Maybe she got more than that.

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Speaker 1: She might have gotten a half million dollars. Heck, maybe

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Speaker 1: somebody loves her and they gave her a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: But she got a lot of money for it. And

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Speaker 1: I would imagine the idea behind it was, we're going

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Speaker 1: to release this book. We'll release it in May, We'll

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Speaker 1: go on a book tour. It will drive up interest

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Speaker 1: and it will help to propel us to the VP spot.

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Speaker 1: Trump's gonna take notice, it gonna get us all this

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Speaker 1: and it's blown up in her face.

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Speaker 3: Well, and the book was supposed to be an explanation

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Speaker 3: of why she's ready for national level leadership. That's the

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Speaker 3: part of this. It's the narrative. I mean, you're writing

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Speaker 3: out a narrative actively. And this is why candidate books,

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Speaker 3: I will tell you candidate books usually don't sell well

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Speaker 3: at all, interestingly enough. Generally it's more of a vanity

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Speaker 3: project to get people on media, to get the free

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Speaker 3: media of oh, I'm a politician with a book out.

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Speaker 3: You would be shocked if you have a friend who

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Speaker 3: works in publishing, something called book scan, and they all have.

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Speaker 3: They in the publishing industry. They know what books have

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Speaker 3: sold and what the numbers are. It's not something mystery.

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Speaker 3: You would be shocked at the name brand politicians who

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's pretty astonishing now times. You know

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Speaker 3: Obama sold the millions of books. I mean, there are

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Speaker 1: Oftentimes because the books themselves are boring and written by

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Speaker 1: a team of speech writers who are doing their best

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Speaker 3: I mean that's almost always I think. I think out

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Speaker 3: written by not the author. Yeah, that makes sense. Ninety

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Speaker 1: You and I are in a rarity. I think I've

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Speaker 1: written five books now. Every word has been mine. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I've got editors who are like, hey, knucklehead, you should

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Speaker 1: put this chapter in front of that one. And I've

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Speaker 1: draft that's turned in, it's a big difference is do

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Speaker 1: you write the draft? You wrote your draft all I

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Speaker 1: have written my draft. We actually write our books. Now, again,

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Speaker 1: we're sidebarring a little bit on this one because we

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Speaker 1: need to have everyone here. What's in the book?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: You have this audio, yeah, and I'm going to play

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Speaker 1: this in advance. Not only do you write the book,

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Speaker 1: I bet you're going to be reading your book too. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I told you off air, and i'll tell all

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Speaker 1: is excrew she aatingly painful one because you're sitting in

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Speaker 1: you're anything like me, you read a sentence and you're like, ah,

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Speaker 1: an idiot. I screwed up that fact a little bit.

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Speaker 4: There's so many things that.

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Speaker 1: You notice you have to read when you are voicing

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Speaker 1: the book, every single word. And I know a lot

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Speaker 1: I have read the audiobook version of my book. I've

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Speaker 1: read every word. My point on this, when you're about

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Speaker 1: to hear Christy knowam is not only did she lie

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Speaker 1: one it is about meeting Kim Jong un, she also

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Speaker 4: Which is a big deal. I think everyone should hear.

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Speaker 3: Everyone should hear this was on the Sundays and Political

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, as soon as this was brought to

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Speaker 5: this passage. And I've met with many, many world leaders.

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Speaker 5: the updated version. So you did not meet with Kim

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Speaker 5: many world leaders, many world leaders. I've traveled around the world.

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Speaker 5: I think I've talked extensively in this book about my

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Speaker 5: some of the travels that I've had. I'm not going

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Speaker 5: just not going to do that. This anecdote shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: Clay Clay, I mean, I'm honestly the condescension in the

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Speaker 3: supported Noahim in the past, answer the question. You won't

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Speaker 3: even answer the question saying that you met with Kim

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Speaker 3: Jung un in the last few years as a random

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Speaker 3: member of Congress. You might as well say I met

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Speaker 3: with Elvis. It's crazy. This would have been a huge

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Speaker 1: I think he's the only politician basically to ever meet

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Speaker 4: But this is also I'm sorry, and this plays into it.

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Speaker 3: This plays into the oh, were you going to sign

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Speaker 3: in South Dakota. There's always this like this refusal to

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Speaker 3: just speak truthfully about what's going on. You have it

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Speaker 3: in your book, it's a lie.

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Speaker 4: Just say yeah, this was totally wrong.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea how it got in there because

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Speaker 3: I didn't write the book, and I'm sorry, don't do this.

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Speaker 3: I meet with a lot of leaders, and I'm not

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Speaker 4: You were talking about meeting with leaders in your book. Lady,

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Speaker 4: We're not all idiots. It's just so disingenuous.

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Speaker 3: She is not being truthful, not just with that audience,

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Speaker 4: Come clean.

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Speaker 1: There's only two options here. Either she intentionally lied, or

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Speaker 1: she's too dumb to realize that this was in her

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that possible? Meaning that she was too dumb?

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Speaker 1: Is that she too dumb to realize? Again, she read

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Speaker 1: it all right? When he reads off the prompter and

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Speaker 1: says things that are untrue.

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Speaker 3: Can we just be clear Clay Clay was willing to

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Speaker 3: not politically wise to put the dog thing. We're not

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Speaker 3: going back to the dog conversation. We spent a whole

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Speaker 3: Clay was, you know, I have I'm emotional about dogs

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Speaker 4: And I tried to be.

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Speaker 3: Honest, because I always try to be honest with everyone

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Speaker 3: that I'm speaking to on this and any program that

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Speaker 3: I do. Clay this one, I mean, she just got

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Speaker 3: caught with her hand in the cookie jar. And now

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Speaker 3: she's looking at Margaret Brann and she's like, my hand

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Speaker 3: wasn't in the cookie jar?

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Speaker 4: Like, come on, come on.

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Speaker 1: There's only two options. Either she intentionally lied about it,

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Speaker 1: or she's too dumb to realize what she was saying.

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Speaker 1: Neither is ideal, and to me, both are disqualifying in

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Speaker 1: the idea that you could be a heartbeat away from

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Speaker 1: the presidency, I think I think.

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Speaker 4: We should put it out there.

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Speaker 3: If anyone wants to call in and tell Clay said,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even put this out there. Clay already has

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Speaker 3: written the epitaph for her national political career. I think

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Speaker 3: she's disagree. Do you think she could still be VP?

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Speaker 3: We have our friend Andy McCarthy in the mix with us.

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Speaker 4: You all know him. Andy. Great to have you back

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Speaker 4: So I need to know this Andy.

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Speaker 1: at it, and I say, they're clearly trying to embarrass

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Speaker 1: Trump with some of these details in some of these witnesses,

439
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Speaker 1: but ultimately they're not proving very much of a crime,

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Speaker 1: and they're actually giving him a lot of leeway here. Now,

441
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Speaker 1: maybe it's not gonna matter because they got such a

442
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Speaker 1: rig jury in their favor that they hate Trump no

443
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Speaker 1: matter what too.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I mean, but when are we assuming

445
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Speaker 3: the appeals court. It's not going to be the Supreme Court.

446
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Speaker 3: It's going to be the New York State of Appeals. Well,

447
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 3: eventually it could end up in the Supreme Court. But

448
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Speaker 3: the New York Appeals Court, to their credit, just looked

449
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Speaker 3: at the conviction they got in Harvey Weinstein and there

450
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Speaker 3: I can't imagine you'd know better than me, Andy, there

451
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Speaker 3: are very many less popular defendants than Harvey Weinstein over

452
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Speaker 3: the last decade, and they tossed it. When you look

453
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Speaker 3: at this purely from the legal let's leave aside the

454
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Speaker 3: political Is this a total joke to you too? Am

455
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Speaker 3: I missing something?

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Speaker 2: No? I don't think you're missing anything. I think it

457
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Speaker 2: will be overturned on appeal. I think it may be

458
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Speaker 2: overturned by the Appellate Division before it ever gets to

459
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Speaker 2: the Court of appeal. It seems to me it's a

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Speaker 2: non crime. Bragg doesn't have jurisdiction to do what he's

461
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Speaker 2: trying to do, which is enforce the federal campaign finance laws,

462
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Speaker 2: which he'sn't really clay even enforcing them. He's making up

463
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Speaker 2: his own corpus of campaign finance law as he goes along,

464
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Speaker 2: but he doesn't have authority to enforce those laws anyway.

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Speaker 2: The indictment doesn't state a crime, which is a violation

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Speaker 2: of the Fifth Amendment, and I think in violation of

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Speaker 2: the New York Constitution. The statute that he's prosecuting under

468
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Speaker 2: doesn't put people on notice that it gives authority to

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Speaker 2: New York prosecutors to enforce federal crime. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think that passes muster under a provision of the state constitution.

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Speaker 2: So I think there's like any number of ways that

472
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Speaker 2: this could be reverse because it's illegal. And that's why,

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Speaker 2: you know, to Buck's point before, I think what they're

474
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Speaker 2: trying to do is get to the finish line, get

475
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Speaker 2: this guy branded a convicted sellon, and they want to

476
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Speaker 2: run on that. I don't think they care whether it

477
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Speaker 2: gets tossed, you know, in the long term.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the other thing here, and again they're trying

479
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Speaker 1: to provide a defense obviously too, is as I think

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Speaker 1: you and I both agree, what is a legally untenable

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Speaker 1: argument that they're making. But also I've been wondering whether

482
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Speaker 1: this was going to germinate into something more substantial. I'm

483
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Speaker 1: curious what you think about this. Trump paid off a

484
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Speaker 1: dorman or there was a dorman paid off who was

485
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Speaker 1: claiming that Trump had a child out of wedlock. I

486
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Speaker 1: think again, I'm that was not true. Everybody acknowledges not true.

487
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Speaker 1: So they have previously paid off past stories that were

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Speaker 1: untrue because he was concerned about reputational ass That's where

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Speaker 1: I'm going with this. It seems to me that there

490
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Speaker 1: is actually an argument that this didn't involve the election

491
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Speaker 1: at all, and that Trump loves Milania and has a

492
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Speaker 1: good relationship with his wife and did not want a

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Speaker 1: untrue story that he has to be fair, almost no

494
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Speaker 1: chance of proving is untrue, right, It's hard to prove

495
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Speaker 1: a negative to come out because he was worried not

496
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Speaker 1: about whether it was going to impact his presidential prospects,

497
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Speaker 1: but more so about in impacting his marriage, which I

498
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Speaker 1: think a lot of married men out there can kind

499
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Speaker 1: of respect that that would not be a story you

500
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Speaker 1: would want out publicly, even if it's one hundred percent false.

501
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Speaker 1: And therefore his motivation, which is what they're trying to

502
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Speaker 1: argue was to influence the election, was actually to keep

503
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Speaker 1: his marriage strong. What do you think about the jury

504
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Speaker 1: being willing to buy that? To me, it does seem

505
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Speaker 1: pretty compelling to anybody who's been in a marriage that

506
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't want this story out there, even if it's

507
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent untrue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's right, And that goes to the problem

509
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Speaker 2: that Bragg has here. I mean, sometimes, and I've been

510
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Speaker 2: critical of this, sometimes the defense seems to me to

511
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: be a little bit internally contradictory the things that they've

512
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: tried to flow through the jury. But what you always

513
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: have to remember is it's only the prosecution that has

514
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Speaker 2: kind of an interest in being completely logical, because if

515
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Speaker 2: there's illogic in a prosecution case, that's that's doubt, and

516
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: that's an invitation to acquittal. Whereas with the defense, what

517
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Speaker 2: Trump rarely needs here is one juror. He doesn't need

518
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Speaker 2: twelve like Bragg does. He needs one. So there could be,

519
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Speaker 2: you know, you could have five different jurors who have

520
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Speaker 2: five different reasons but not liking this case, and sometimes

521
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: those reasons crash into each other a little bit. One

522
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Speaker 2: of them could be that Bragg can't it's not enough

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Speaker 2: in this case. The Bragg to prove that the book

524
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Speaker 2: entries were false. He has to prove that Trump had

525
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Speaker 2: fraudulent intent, and what he's trying to say is that

526
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Speaker 2: the fraudulent tent was to violate the campaign finance laws.

527
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Speaker 2: And I think it's a perfectly good defense to say,

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Speaker 2: Number one, Trump didn't have fraudulent intent because nobody was

529
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Speaker 2: harmedier in any way. But if he was intending to

530
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: do something, it was to prevent his family from being embarrassed.

531
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Speaker 2: And he may never even and no one is. He

532
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Speaker 2: doesn't have to say he wasn't thinking at all about

533
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Speaker 2: the election. But there's a big difference between thinking about

534
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Speaker 2: the election and thinking with technical compliance of the campaign

535
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Speaker 2: finance laws. And if he was trying to protect his family,

536
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Speaker 2: he doesn't even have to say whether these damaging stories

537
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: were true or false. You know, he doesn't have to

538
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: convince the jury that these things didn't happen. It's enough

539
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: to say they would have been profoundly embarrassing to his

540
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Speaker 2: family and he was trying to keep a lid on it,

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Speaker 2: which is not you know, you can think about that

542
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 2: what you want, but it doesn't make it a crime.

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Speaker 3: Andy, I'm just wondering if if Judge March just let's

544
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Speaker 3: say he's just had enough and he knows those fines

545
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 3: are not doing anything to Trump, who's, you know, very

546
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Speaker 3: wealthy guy. What happens if he says, all right, I'm sentencing.

547
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: I mean, like mechanically, like where does Trump go? What

548
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: is the process if he says, you're getting ten days

549
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: in jail for contempt? Like where would he go? How

550
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: would that? How would that work with Donald Trump? With

551
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: Secret Service protection?

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Speaker 2: Presumably it would be he would go and there would

553
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: be a Secret Service detail around the clock. I have

554
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: to presume. Look, normally it would be Riker's Island, But

555
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: I don't see how you put Trump in Rikers Island,

556
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: you know, just for security reasons. And I think what

557
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: they would probably do is, you know this whole You

558
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Speaker 2: notice that that I do this holding facilities in the

559
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Speaker 2: police department, there's holding facilities in a number of other precincts.

560
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: There's holding facilities in the courthouse. So I would imagine

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Speaker 2: that part of what may be going on behind the

562
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Speaker 2: scenes is some conversations between the NYPD and the Secret

563
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Speaker 2: Service about like what's the plan going to be if

564
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Speaker 2: Marchant actually pulls the trigger and puts this guy in, So.

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Speaker 4: He'd have to be.

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Speaker 3: It would be like a prison just for Trump, right,

567
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Speaker 3: I mean they have to shut down the wing or

568
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Speaker 3: the it would be he's the only guy being held

569
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Speaker 3: in ex facility. Right, That's the only way they could

570
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: do this.

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Speaker 2: I don't see how else because he's going to have

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Speaker 2: to have Secret Service protection. And you know, look, I

573
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: worked in witness security before I was a prosecutor. You

574
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: can't put this guy in general population, in even a

575
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Speaker 2: pre trial facility, you know, obviously you can't.

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Speaker 1: And also what did it require that the trial be postponed?

577
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Speaker 1: Because I guess they could bring him to and from

578
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Speaker 1: jail and try to, you know, move the process. But

579
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Speaker 1: wouldn't he have a right You would know this better

580
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: than me. I haven't actually seen this. Let's say he

581
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: got more than usually andy. What you'll see if somebody

582
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Speaker 1: gets contempt for just a couple of hours and then

583
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Speaker 1: they're back out right, In other words, you're not actually

584
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Speaker 1: spending the night in jail. Sometimes lawyers get into it

585
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 1: with judges every now and then somebody goes down if

586
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Speaker 1: they're trying to put him in for multiple days. Let's

587
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: say merchant says, hey, you're in the lock up for

588
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Speaker 1: two weeks. Wouldn't he have a right to appeal that.

589
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Speaker 1: How would that process play out?

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Speaker 2: I don't think he would have a right to stop

591
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Speaker 2: the trial in order to appeal it. It's an interesting question.

592
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: He'd ask to stop the trial, but I would assume

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Speaker 2: the trial that march On would say no, and he'd say,

594
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to give you the value of the contempt,

595
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: which is to screw up the proceedings, which is what

596
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Speaker 2: you're trying to do, and this is right. Judge would

597
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: say so. I assumed he would deny a mistay, and

598
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: then his lawyers could go to the appellate Division and

599
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: try to appeal while the trial goes forward, and in

600
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: the meantime, he'd be treated like other than that, he'd

601
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Speaker 2: be in a special facility rather than say Rikers, I don't,

602
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: and he'd be treated like any other defendant who's in

603
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: pre trial custody. He'd be produced every day during when you'd.

604
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Speaker 1: Have the right to put on your suit, take off

605
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: your jumpsuit, all that stuff. I was just wondering, I've

606
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: never seen a client who is in contempt that I

607
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: can remember during the appellate process to say nothing for Trump.

608
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many of these questions. Buck

609
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: and I have been having fun with this, Like the

610
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: idea of a president going to prison with his security

611
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: detail sounds like a bad sitcom pitch right, like back

612
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: in the day in the eighties. This seems like something

613
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: that might have been on television, and there are no

614
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Speaker 1: real precedents for any of this.

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00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: Could I'd make one suggestion. I think there's a middle

616
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: ground that he could start with, which.

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00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 4: Is home confinement, right Frum Tower.

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Speaker 2: Home confinement, but make it over a Wednesday, so we

619
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Speaker 2: can't go out and campaign, and that wouldn't seem as

620
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Speaker 2: bad publicly, I guess politically for the Democrats, as you know,

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Speaker 2: there's worse places to be in home confinement than Trump Tower.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if you put them in home confinement

623
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Speaker 2: in the let's say he puts them in home confinements

624
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Speaker 2: for two weeks, so he has to miss like a

625
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: couple of campaign weekends and a couple of Wednesdays where

626
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: he's going out doing his political stuff. That actually would

627
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: be painful, and it probably wouldn't be as politically damaging

628
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: to the Democrats as the idea of putting them in

629
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Speaker 2: like Rikers Island or someplace like it.

630
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

631
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's what I thought all along. Andy's they may

632
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Speaker 3: try to get some kind of a home confinement thing.

633
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: I mean, Trump Tower does have very nice views, but

634
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: it still still feels like it's quite an egregious misuse

635
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Speaker 3: of the justice system.

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Speaker 4: Annie McCarthy, everybody follow follow.

637
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Speaker 2: We could make him go to a Met game.

638
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Speaker 1: That would be Ah, look at you with the self

639
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: deprecating Mets humor.

640
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 4: I had better.

641
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: I had better material last week before the Braves dropped

642
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: three in a row against the Dodgers. Now I'm just

643
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what's wrong with the Braves too?

644
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Well, it's a long season.

645
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: No, there we go any it's a long election season

646
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: and a long season for the Mets.

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Speaker 4: Andie McCarthy, everybody, and he thanks so much much. All right, guys,

648
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Speaker 4: thank you.

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Speaker 3: Well, take some calls. Eight hundred two eighty two two

650
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Speaker 3: eight a two in just a moment here. You know,

651
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: this coming weekend is when we get to celebrate and

652
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: recognize the love and sacrifices that every mother provides for

653
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Speaker 3: her family. Few organizations witness this decision that mothers make

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Speaker 3: we have a bunch of calls here. Uh, Jim in Abilene, Texas?

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Speaker 4: What's going on? Jim? Hey, guys there, Harry all today

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Speaker 4: we're fantastic.

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Speaker 7: Hey, I have a theory about why perhaps christ you know,

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Speaker 7: may have said she stared down at Kim John it

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Speaker 7: up in the DMZ.

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Speaker 4: Wait, Jim, are you on speakerphone?

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Speaker 7: I am.

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Speaker 3: You're calling into like one of the biggest radio shows

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Speaker 3: in the country. Could you maybe put the phone to

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Speaker 3: your ears so everybody could hear you better?

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Speaker 7: Okay, got it? How about that?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Now, what's the rookie here? You know it's all good,

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Speaker 4: go for it, buddy.

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Speaker 7: So anyway, so I think what maybe she was referring

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Speaker 7: to is she probably did the tour of the military

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Speaker 7: demarcation lineup and the DMZ black Eyed did a bunch

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Speaker 7: of years ago, and then then in five years of

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Speaker 7: the building, you know at the conference table and then

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Speaker 7: the microphone court down the center of the table, which

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Speaker 7: demarcutes North and South Korea, and you've got the South

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Speaker 7: Korean guards on one side and the North Korean guards

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Speaker 7: on the other side, and they're just a bunch of

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Speaker 7: badass looking to its because they're trying to look really

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Speaker 7: really mean. So my theory is she probably stared one

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Speaker 7: of those guys down, and someone misinterpreted it when they

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Speaker 7: wrote the book that she was staring down Kim john

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Speaker 7: Noon himself. That's my theory.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's not an awful theory. That's a much better

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Speaker 1: explanation than she has given so far. I think that

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Speaker 1: Jim is an incredibly nice person, and that is a

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Speaker 1: very it is plausible, so I'm not dismissing it. That

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Speaker 1: is a very charitable theory.

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Speaker 3: But it would be a bit like if I wrote

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Speaker 3: a memoir saying that I had a fantastic lunch with

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Speaker 3: the Queen of England, when really I had just done

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Speaker 3: a tour of Buckingham Palace with a bunch of other tourists.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's basically what we're talking about, like a

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Speaker 3: finished state visit versus tourist stuff.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't take away from the fact that she

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Speaker 1: read it. I'm giving her a pass on the fact

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Speaker 1: that she may not have been involved in the writing

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Speaker 1: of the book at all. When you read an audio book,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you you have to know I would have.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I were her and I read that,

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Speaker 1: I would have hit the roof, so to speak. I

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Speaker 1: would have been like, oh my god, what are you

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Speaker 1: guys trying to do to me? It's almost like sabotage.

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Speaker 4: Jim.

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Speaker 3: Creative and charitable and plausible. So I'll give you all

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Speaker 3: of those. And I appreciate you coming in and jumping

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Speaker 3: off a speaker too. No speaker phone, everybody, when you

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Speaker 3: call in, we want to hear everything you're saying. Ron

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Speaker 3: in Louisiana, Ron, what have you got for us?

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Speaker 8: For those of us out here who are not the lawyers.

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Speaker 8: I'm confused about something and I hope y'all can help

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Speaker 8: me out. Why can't some of these issues be appealed?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 8: Now during the trial itself, rather than waiting for the

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Speaker 8: whole trial to take place and then appeal the issues.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to give you a non lawyer answer,

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Speaker 3: then Clay can come over the top with a lawyer answer.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my sense of it is that the appeal

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Speaker 3: that there are only certain things that you would be

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Speaker 3: able to appeal, and they would have to go under

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Speaker 3: some kind of a expedited you know, we need the

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Speaker 3: appeals court to look at this. There's only certain things

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Speaker 3: you could even try to get that with, and generally speaking,

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Speaker 3: a lot of these issues, the appeals Court's going to say, well,

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Speaker 3: let's see what the let's see how this shakes out

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Speaker 3: before we you know, it's a major thing from appeals

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Speaker 3: court to step in and say the entire proceeding underway

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Speaker 3: in the lower.

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Speaker 4: Court is is bunk?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Is garbage?

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Speaker 1: So I think he's asking a fantastic question, and if

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Speaker 1: Andy were here, I would be curious to hear his answer,

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Speaker 1: because he's far more versed in New York law than

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Speaker 1: i am. I actually, this is my biggest issue with

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Speaker 1: in federal law, and this is not federal, so there

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Speaker 1: is even a distinction.

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Speaker 4: Here's this is New York State, New York City stuff. Correct.

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Speaker 1: But my argument would be the reason why they've been

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Speaker 1: able to forestall the progress of the cases in federal

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Speaker 1: court in DC and in South Florida, although South Florida

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Speaker 1: is more of a dilatory tactic, is they've appealed in

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Speaker 1: advance to find out whether the charges are valid, again

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Speaker 1: based on presidential immunity.

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Speaker 3: That's a very but that's my point about very specific

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Speaker 3: the presidential immunity issue is is really hard to get

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Speaker 3: an appeal before you get a trial unless you're the president.

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Speaker 1: I think they should have tried to appeal. Now here's

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Speaker 1: the challenge, it's state court. I think they could have appealed.

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Speaker 1: And this is why, again I would love to hear

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Speaker 1: Andy's argument. They're trying to argue, and this gets into

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Speaker 1: the real weeds that the reason why this can be

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Speaker 1: elevated from a misdemeanor to a felony is because there

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Speaker 1: is a secondary crime that has been committed in the action.

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Speaker 1: In other words, the bookkeeping error standing alone is a misdemeanor.

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Speaker 1: In order to elevate it to a felony, you have

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Speaker 1: to find a second crime. And they were very outgoing,

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Speaker 1: not detailed in what that second crime was. It appears

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Speaker 1: they're trying to peg it to a federal election violation.

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Speaker 1: If I were criticizing the Trump legal team in New York,

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Speaker 1: I think they could have potentially had grounds based on

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Speaker 1: that federal angle to get it into federal court and

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Speaker 1: keep the trial court from being able to proceed on

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Speaker 1: the secondary aim.

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Speaker 3: I also Andy, you know, we love Andy, brilliant guy

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Speaker 3: knows a heck of a lot more than I do

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Speaker 3: about the law and the legal system, no question. But

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Speaker 3: if we're talking about betting on like just betting on

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Speaker 3: these things, the appeals court in DC was just as

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Speaker 3: rigged as the district court was. I mean, the circuit

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Speaker 3: court has been just as bad when it comes to Trump.

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Speaker 3: I'm not convinced that the appeals court in New York

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Speaker 3: would be. You know, Andy said he thinks they could

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Speaker 3: overtake overturned on appeal. It should be, but I'm not

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Speaker 3: convinced that it will be based upon the kind of

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Speaker 3: appeals court judges you get in New York. Look at

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Speaker 3: the appeals court judges on the federal side you have

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Speaker 3: in DC. They're lunatics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a challenge, but that's why. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is the check, and I think the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court might be willing to look at this. Now

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Speaker 1: we'll see whether Bragg can avoid a federal issue, because

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Speaker 1: remember they're charging Trump with a crime before he became president,

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Speaker 1: so they're base. But now that anyway, this this case

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Speaker 1: I think is going to get tossed because I think

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Speaker 1: it's garbage ultimately, but the fact that it's going to trial,

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Speaker 1: I do think.

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Speaker 4: I do think it'll get I do not think this.

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Speaker 4: I do not think this case gets tossed.

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Speaker 3: But if somehow it makes its way up into like

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Speaker 3: federal oversight in the Supreme Court, sure, yeah, absolutely. If

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Speaker 3: it stays in the New York state system.

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Speaker 4: I don't think this thing counts.

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Speaker 1: I think there are three or four different legal issues

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Speaker 1: that are untenable. And again, my one criticism would be

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Speaker 1: if they had tried to make a federal argument here,

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Speaker 1: they may have been able to avoid this case going

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Speaker 1: to trial too. Now, I don't know it's going to

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Speaker 1: have super impact. What if there's no punishment, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Like what the appeals court does that

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Speaker 1: factor into it? Meaning if he's found guilty and the judge.

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Speaker 3: Is like all right, you know, time served basically, even

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Speaker 3: though he hasn't served any time, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Look, I think that that the reality is

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Speaker 1: if they get a conviction, because they're staring down the

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Speaker 1: barrel of not We've talked about this for a while

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Speaker 1: of not being able to get any of the other

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Speaker 1: trials to case to court before the election. I think

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Speaker 1: he really may overreach and try to put him in

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Speaker 1: prison on an expedited basis because they know nothing else

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Speaker 1: Heil Mary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is the only shot they've gotten. They've

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Speaker 3: So we'll get to.

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Speaker 4: It, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, I want to tell you guys

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Speaker 1: Blake Master. He's been on the show before, brand for

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Speaker 1: Senate in Arizona. We all know that Arizona is going

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Speaker 1: to be a huge battleground. Blake, appreciate you going on,

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Speaker 1: coming on. What are you seeing in Arizona? How confident

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Speaker 1: are you, having seen what you saw in twenty two

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Speaker 1: and having fought the battles there, that Arizona is going

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Speaker 1: to go red in twenty four, not only in your

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Speaker 1: race but also in the Senate in the presidential Well,

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Speaker 1: what are you seeing?

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Speaker 9: Well, thanks, guys, it's great to be back. You know,

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Speaker 9: I am optimistic. I'm seeing a lot of encouraging signs

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Speaker 9: when you look at the polling. I think Trump is

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Speaker 9: just kind of cleaning up in Arizona right now. He's

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Speaker 9: up five to six seven points even depending on the pole.

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Speaker 9: And anecdotally that's what I'm what I'm seeing too. Right

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Speaker 9: we know that the Magabas is fired up, but we

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Speaker 9: also know Arizona is a little bit more of a

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Speaker 9: swing state right now. So where are those people in

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Speaker 9: the middle? And unfortunately, we've just got two more years

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Speaker 9: of this Joe Biden experience. Now since the midterm election,

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00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 9: people know that their eggs cost twice as much as

909
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Speaker 9: they used to breakfast cereal increasingly unaffordable. Right, Mortgage rates

910
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Speaker 9: continue to spike. But what I'm hearing most is people

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Speaker 9: are just mad as hell about the open border. Right,

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Speaker 9: millions more illegals have come in basically invited by Joe

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Speaker 9: Biden since twenty twenty two. It's by far the number

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Speaker 9: one issue in the state. Second would be cost of

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Speaker 9: living and inflation. And no matter which way you slice

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Speaker 9: it Biden is failing. People really do want Trump back.

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Speaker 3: Hey Blake, great to have you on the program. So

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Speaker 3: you know, we recently talked to a Senate candidate and

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Speaker 3: hopefully former a future GOP colleague of yours about the

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Speaker 3: political terrain in Montana because it's a little funky. It's

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Speaker 3: majority Republican, but there's this big middle chunk that is

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Speaker 3: unaffiliated to party and leans kind of libertarian right. In Arizona,

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Speaker 3: you mentioned this, What is that middle trant that really

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Speaker 3: determines the election? Is it traditional GOP? John mccainy X.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what you call them, but you know

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Speaker 3: people that are in that realm, Like, what is that

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Speaker 3: additional layer in terms of Arizona's political makeup.

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Speaker 4: I think it's much.

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Speaker 9: We're just people in the middle, people who are not

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Speaker 9: paying too much attention to politics. God blessed. Then they're

931
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Speaker 9: working hard in the Biden economy, they're trying to make ends,

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Speaker 9: they're raising their kids. They're not that political, except Joe

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Speaker 9: Biden is making them political because everything, like I said,

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Speaker 9: costs more. And you're seeing the not just the videos

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Speaker 9: of illegals coming across at the border. We've all seen

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Speaker 9: those videos. But now you're seeing it in your community, right,

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Speaker 9: You're seeing Southern Arizona is just a different place than

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Speaker 9: it was a few years ago. Even up in Glendale,

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Speaker 9: right in my district, you're seeing more and more homeless people.

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Speaker 9: You're seeing more and more evidence of drug deals happening

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Speaker 9: on the street. And this is Glendale, Arizona, Like, this

942
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Speaker 9: is not supposed to be happening there. So I think

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Speaker 9: it's people in the middle. You know, people in the

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Speaker 9: John McCain wing of the party. I think they're gonna

945
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Speaker 9: maybe they have to hold their nose. They're gonna vote Trump, right.

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Speaker 9: I think Republicans are going to be united. It's all

947
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Speaker 9: going to be where are the people in the middle,

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Speaker 9: And they are just so anti Biden right now. I

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Speaker 9: think that's why Trump is crushing in the polls.

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Speaker 1: Blake, how do you see the on campus protests. I

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Speaker 1: know there was a viral video of Arizona State frat guy.

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Speaker 1: They're not Southern frat guys in the traditional sense. I

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Speaker 1: guess Southwestern frat guys cleaning up the pro hamas protester trash.

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Speaker 1: Literally that was laid out all over the ASU quad

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Speaker 1: And it feels to me like Democrats are panicking because

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Speaker 1: they know how badly these campus protests are playing. Do

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Speaker 1: you pick up on that in Arizona? That Arizona State

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Speaker 1: situation kind of resonate. Do you hear it from people

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Speaker 1: as you go about the campaign?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Actually, you know, I went the day that the Arizona

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Speaker 9: State protest was happening. I swung by campus in Tempe

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Speaker 9: and I was just talking to some people. We got

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Speaker 9: some video. I think we'll put out a video on

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Speaker 9: this soon. But you know, I mean, if a protester

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Speaker 9: was wearing a mask and they had a Palestinian flag, Okay,

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Speaker 9: you can't have a reasonable conversation with them. They're just deranged.

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Speaker 9: But all these people who were kind of watching the

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Speaker 9: protests I got to interview, I got to ask like, hey,

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Speaker 9: what do you think about this? And basically they thought

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Speaker 9: it was a joke. Like I think people in the

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Speaker 9: middle think that these campus protests are a joke. Because

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Speaker 9: they are a joke. They're bad for Joe Biden. I

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Speaker 9: think it highlights how he can't really keep a lid

975
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Speaker 9: on his own coalition. You guys probably saw this video too.

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Speaker 9: There was one where you had the Maga frat boys

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Speaker 9: who were saying f Joe Biden, and then the police

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Speaker 9: in the middle ye. And then on the other side

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Speaker 9: you had the Gaza Hamas protesters saying F Joe Biden.

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Speaker 9: So if there's one thing Joe Biden can do to

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Speaker 9: unite the country, it's because he's so horrible. Everyone knows

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Speaker 9: that he's bad.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Blake Masters, he's running for Congress in Arizona

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Speaker 3: and Blake to that end, how much do you think

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Speaker 3: the border is going to play into your district and

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Speaker 3: your state more broadly in this election? A few months ago,

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Speaker 3: maybe two three months ago, it was far and away

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Speaker 3: the biggest story in the country for I don't know,

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Speaker 3: maybe six weeks time something like that seems to have

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Speaker 3: died down a bit in terms of media focus, but

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Speaker 3: there has been polling at least in the past few

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Speaker 3: months that suggests it's a top issue. What does it

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Speaker 3: look like in Arizona and do you think that could

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Speaker 3: be a difference maker?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it is the most important issue, certainly in my migrace.

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Speaker 9: You know why district district date is a very Republican

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Speaker 9: district is one of these primary only situations because whoever

999
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Speaker 9: wins the primary is going to win the general On

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Speaker 9: the Republican side, illegal immigration is far and away the

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Speaker 9: most important issue, and second would be cost of living.

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Speaker 9: Those might, if you look at the polling, that might

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Speaker 9: reverse in the general election because you get so many

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Speaker 9: of the swing voters. But call it number one, number two,

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Speaker 9: number two, number one, whatever, the two issues on every

1006
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Speaker 9: voter's mind here, whether it's the July primary or the

1007
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Speaker 9: November general election, it's stopping illegal immigration and stopping Joe

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Speaker 9: Biden's inflation. And again, what's remarkable about both of those.

1009
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Speaker 9: I think both are just threatening this country. Both are

1010
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Speaker 9: choking this country illegal immigration and inflation. They're both caused

1011
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Speaker 9: by Joe Biden. Right two, three or four years ago,

1012
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Speaker 9: when we had President Trump, you had low illegal immigration

1013
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 9: and you have low inflation. So the contrast now between Trump,

1014
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 9: a successful president, and Biden, who's just failed at everything

1015
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Speaker 9: he's touched, could not be more clear.

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Speaker 1: Blake, A lot of us who are outside of Arizona

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Speaker 1: have seen the chaos of the Arizona elections in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 4: You saw it up close in person.

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Speaker 1: It's not only chaotic, it's that it takes weeks, almost

1021
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: feels like a month to actually know what the final

1022
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Speaker 1: tally is going to be. As we know, twenty twenty

1023
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Speaker 1: four is going to be close, and Arizona is a

1024
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Speaker 1: battleground state that could be close again. How confident are

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Speaker 1: you and how confident should we be that Arizona can

1026
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: get its results fairly, quickly and reliably in this election?

1027
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Speaker 4: You know, it's a tough question.

1028
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Speaker 9: I wish I could say I was more confident, but

1029
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 9: it's why we have to work so hard. I'm not

1030
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Speaker 9: at all sure that we'll have a clean and well

1031
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 9: run election. I mean, we didn't in twenty twenty two, right,

1032
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Speaker 9: and unfortunately not that much has changed. What we have

1033
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 9: to do is overwhelm the system, right. I think, as

1034
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 9: President Trump says, you got to win by a cheap

1035
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Speaker 9: proof margin, and so we need to be better than

1036
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Speaker 9: the Democrats at their own game. What the Dems did

1037
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Speaker 9: in twenty twenty two, right, is they actually hired activists

1038
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Speaker 9: to go pound on people's doors and basically gather their

1039
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Speaker 9: mail in ballots. Now we can't do that exactly. We

1040
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Speaker 9: can't take cust of those ballots. Ballot harvesting is illegal

1041
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 9: in Arizona. But we can, and I think the new

1042
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Speaker 9: RNC leadership is doing this right. Turning point is doing this.

1043
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 9: We can pay those activists to go and collect those

1044
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 9: early ballots, encourage those early ballots to come in, walk

1045
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Speaker 9: people to their mailboxes. If we had done that, then

1046
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Speaker 9: we would have swept in Arizona in twenty twenty two.

1047
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Speaker 9: It takes about ten million bucks. It's a big investment.

1048
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Speaker 9: You got a corral one thousand activists. But if we

1049
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 9: go do the ballot chase, and if we go show

1050
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 9: up en mass for President Trump, I think we can

1051
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 9: put enough legal votes in where even if Maricopa County

1052
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Speaker 9: doesn't have it all together again, I think we'll still win.

1053
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Speaker 9: As I really do, and we have to because what's

1054
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Speaker 9: the alternative right get demoralized about what happens in twenty

1055
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Speaker 9: twenty two. No, Sometimes when you get knocked down, you

1056
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 9: got to learn from learn from the experience, dust yourself off,

1057
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 9: get back in the arena. And this is our last

1058
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 9: chance twenty twenty four. I think it's our last chance

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Speaker 9: to save the country.

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Speaker 1: Amen, Blake Masters, good luck. We'll have you on again

1061
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Speaker 1: as it gets closer to election day. To be sure,

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Speaker 1: but appreciate all the battles you're fighting for us out

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Speaker 1: in Arizona.

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys.

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