1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: I think Cubs should let counsel out of his cage. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. Thanks too late for that maybe, but 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,040 Speaker 1: the next year Defegivation. 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: Sahad Sharma with Patrick Mooney, where your Cubs beat writers 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: at the Athletic with us today. Patrick is the legend 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: himself from the Chicago Tribune. He's been around much longer 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: than we have. Paul Sullivan, who has covered both teams 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: in town, is joining us today. 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 3: Patrick, take it away. 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 4: Well, I'm a very pressing question, Sully. 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 5: I saw this clip on Marquee in which Taylor McGregor 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 5: was talking to Craig Council, and Council credited the recent 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 5: hot stretch to a Taylor Swift candle that clubhouse manager 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 5: Extraordinaire and Danny Miller had given him. I assumed it 16 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 5: was the Sully bounce of just you showing up in Miami. 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 5: What do you got on Taylor Swift candles and the Cubs? Uh, 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 5: you know, not playing dead as you as you wrote 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 5: in the Tribune. 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 6: I'm not sure what to think anymore, honestly, because I 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 6: pretty much pronounced him dead last month and they're still 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 6: in the same same contored I'm not I don't understand 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 6: the handle thing. Does it smell like Taylor Swift? Is 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 6: that the deal? 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: I think that's how it markets itself. 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 5: I'm not an expert on candlewear or Taylor Swift, but 27 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 5: it seems like a lot of the things that happened 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 5: when the team starts playing. 29 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: A little better. 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 7: It sounds like a Jill Madden thing to me, Like 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 7: that was. 32 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Just Jill Madden will do. 33 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 6: For sure, it really doesn't enact with Counsel in my mind, 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 6: because he's not that he's not a more interesting guy. 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: But he's pretty low key. 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 7: Far as that kind of stuff. You don't really think 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 7: of him as superstitious. 38 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: But you know, if. 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 6: Danny's involved, I'm all for it. 40 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 7: Danny's here. 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 3: Yes, I noticed it in the Pittsburgh series. 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: I was going to ask about it, and then I 43 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: was like, I'm not derailing this postgame presser with a 44 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: question about why why this candle is sitting here? 45 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 3: Uh. I'm glad Taylor eventually got to it. 46 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 6: Uh. 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: But you touched on something there, Sally, And I'm curious 48 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: you've you've covered so many managers in this town. We're 49 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: we're almost a full year into Craig Council. Like, what 50 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: what are your takeaways and how like does he stand 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: out in any way to you or like he's so 52 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: laid back at times that that I feel like maybe 53 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: he maybe we fully haven't gotten to know him yet. 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the full person. Maybe this just is the personality. 55 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: I'm curious your takeaways from from five months I guess 56 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: at plus spring training of Craig Council. 57 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 7: Well, you know, I knew him a little bit in Milwaukee. 58 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 8: Just through going over to the Brewers Clubhouse and doing 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 8: you know, pregame interviews and stuff and trying to start 60 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 8: some you know, controversies with the roof stuff like that, 61 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 8: which we talked about in Miami. Quite just off the record. 62 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 6: I can't abulge any of what he said, but he 63 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 6: did explain the whole roofgate episode, which in hindsight, you know, 64 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 6: I wish I had known. 65 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 7: That, I would have really played it a lot differently. 66 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 7: But anyways, he's you know, as you said, he's low key. 67 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 7: He says basically the same things. He's got his three 68 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 7: lines that he likes to throw as about pictures just 69 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 7: being out getters and based fall is hard and uh, 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 7: I can't remember the other one. But it's, you know, 71 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 7: taking one day at a time, basically kind of manager. 72 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 6: He's not the most quotable guy. He is, really he's 73 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 6: the guy I really like him. The one thing I 74 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 6: guess that surprises me more than anything, just because of 75 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 6: watching him in Milwaukee with you know, so many different players, 76 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 6: is that he basically sticks with the same lineups all 77 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 6: the time. You know, so much criticism last year for 78 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 6: sticking with Dansby down the stretch and wearing him out, 79 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 6: maybe a couple other guys, and you know, Council. 80 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 7: Basically doing the same thing. You hardly ever see any 81 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 7: changes in the lineup. And it's already September. I would 82 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 7: have thought for sure he would, you know, Tinker Crow 83 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 7: Armstrong moving up at this point. 84 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 6: He's he's been hitting for over a month now, but 85 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 6: he doesn't want to do that, so I guess that 86 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 6: would be only real take is that he's very old 87 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 6: school and it writes the lineup and that's his line. 88 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: It's really not going to change much. 89 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 5: And you kind of alluded to it, Sully, like you 90 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 5: were great about just going over to Council whenever there 91 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 5: was you know, someone got sunburned on a rain out 92 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 5: any or roofgates, things like that. 93 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 4: Do you feel like. 94 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 5: Council appreciated that more when he was not working for 95 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 5: the Cubs, or do you feel like I would. 96 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 4: Actually argue that or state that. 97 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 5: I think he's pretty sarcastic and has a good sense 98 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,559 Speaker 5: of humor and just kind of does roll with things, 99 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 5: even though that's really hard to tell if you only 100 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 5: watch the postgame press conferences from home on TV. 101 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that the Cubs have actually not helped 102 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 6: him with the way they do things with sitting at 103 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 6: behind a podium in front of a wind Trust sign 104 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 6: so that they could get advertising for Marquee or whatever. 105 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 6: He is way better just sitting in the dugout, you know, 106 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 6: wrapping freestyle. They've kind of paged him, and you know, 107 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 6: I understand he probably knew that coming in. That's part 108 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 6: of the Cub's gig is you know, it's it's TV 109 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 6: show more than it's anything else. 110 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 7: And because when we were in Miami. 111 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 6: Last weekend, after we were done with the interviews, we 112 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 6: you know, me and Maddie and Taylor, you know, sat 113 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 6: and talked with him for you know, about twenty twenty 114 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 6: minutes just about odds and ends, nothing to do, nothing 115 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 6: on the record, just you know, talking. And I don't 116 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 6: ever see him doing that in Chicago because he leaves 117 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 6: that podium and then he's back in his office and 118 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 6: then we don't see him till the post game. So 119 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 6: I think Cubs should let a lot of his cage. 120 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 6: I don't know's too late for that, maybe, but the 121 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 6: next year definitely they should rethink that. 122 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: He absolutely is better on the road, I think, And 123 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: and they occasionally let him go in the dugout at home, 124 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: And I do like that. He's he is, he's he 125 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: likes to talk baseball. I think that's that's clear. Like 126 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: he enjoys it. He enjoys the back and forth. We 127 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: spent like five minutes the other day, like thinking about 128 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: where free agents may land and which which players should 129 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: go where. 130 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: And what teams have what needs. He's interested in that stuff. 131 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: Uh you know, eventually he'll be like, all right, I 132 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: gotta go work or whatever. He's like, you guys figure 133 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: this stuff out on your own. But but he but 134 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: he enjoys it. I think liked there. There haven't been 135 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: I mean, Ross was good about that. He'd stick around 136 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: in chat and and Ozzy Gian was the king of 137 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: it right like there there probably wasn't anyone better than 138 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: Ozzy Gan. 139 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: Uh. Oddly enough, that. 140 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: Was my probably my first presser was sitting in the 141 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: dugout with Ozzie Gian, and I was thinking, like, is this. 142 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: How it always is? 143 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: This is going to be my life for if I 144 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: if I, you know, succeed and can do this job. 145 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: But obviously it wasn't. 146 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: Because you know, I'm managing. 147 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 6: You should be a people person and Ozzie is there's 148 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 6: no more of a people person than Azzi, and Council 149 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 6: seems that way too. 150 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Rossie definitely was that way. 151 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, and then you get, you know, 152 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 6: on the flip side, you know, I would go to 153 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 6: these Pedro Graffole press conferences and they would just be 154 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 6: so serious and draining, and then he would get up 155 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 6: and leave. And I mean, I'm sure losing had pard 156 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 6: to do with it. But you know Grady Seizemore, you know, 157 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 6: he doesn't stick around to talk either, So maybe it's 158 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 6: just a white Soxe thing, but I would encourage all 159 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 6: managers to get to know their writers. We talked to 160 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 6: Bruce Bochie like a half hour yesterday after the pre 161 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 6: with the Socks Rangers, and he, you know, he couldn't 162 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 6: have been more engaging. So I don't know, maybe we're 163 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 6: just old school that way. 164 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: So you were. 165 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 5: Such a great dude when I first started in twenty ten, 166 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 5: and so how it was shortly behind me, And you're 167 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 5: always just like generous with your time and like you're 168 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 5: very for someone who is old school, you're very welcoming 169 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 5: and like current with like new ideas and just being 170 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 5: fresh all the time. 171 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 4: And I was curious. 172 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 5: In my window here, I would say, this is the 173 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 5: most boring Cups team I've covered. Is this the most 174 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 5: boring Cups team of your lifetime? 175 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: Oh geez, I'd have to really think about. 176 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 4: That your career, however you want to want to frame it. 177 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would, you know. On the field, yes, definitely. 178 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 6: I don't remember a Cups team that until the last 179 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 6: week couldn't hit and now they're hitting like crazy for 180 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 6: some reason. Maybe it's you know, the teams they're facing. 181 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 6: But yeah, just just a very boring team to watch. 182 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 6: And that's a whole lot of characters in the clubhouse, nice. 183 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: Guys, a lot of nice yeah. 184 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 6: For sure, nobody really that would, you know, stick around 185 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 6: and you know, just talk even like a Rizzo or 186 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 6: a Kyle Schwarber or you. 187 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: Know those guys. 188 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 6: Even less even though he was kind of a grouchy guy, 189 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 6: sometimes he was great quote. And so I don't think 190 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 6: they have much of that there, so that I think 191 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 6: that plays into it. 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Cement Mobile for details. 218 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: Sully, you know PCA has a chance to be that 219 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: character I think. And what's funny is is is Bethancourt. 220 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 2: It certainly is a character, but he's just was picked 221 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: up off the you know, DFA and and like it's 222 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: not like he's going to be here for years. But 223 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: he he does seem to have a personality and he 224 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: says some things that I wouldn't expect a player to say, uh, 225 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 2: you know, with with cameras on them and then a 226 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: mic in front of them. But I kind of appreciate it. 227 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 2: So have you seen we keep touching on this. You know, 228 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: this team is trying to make a run, and I 229 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: keep thinking, like it happens in baseball. It does like 230 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: the unexpected where a team is five games out at 231 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: the end of August and somehow or more. I don't 232 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: remember it happening in Chicago, like with the Cubs or 233 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: the Whites, And I think that's a big reason, like 234 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: we had, like fans, especially because they focused so much 235 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: just on their team, fans struggled to like wrap their 236 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: mind around something like this happening. 237 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: It's very unlikely. 238 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: I get that, But also like I don't am I 239 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: missing a season where this happened in Chicago where a 240 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: team seemed like they were dead even in August, Like yeah, 241 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: like second halfs they've gotten hot, right, but not not 242 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: this late in the season. 243 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 6: Now. It's usually the flip where they're you know, kicking 244 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 6: butt for like the first half and then they just 245 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 6: completely fall apart. 246 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what was that year with seventeen or 247 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: eighteen when eighteen and nineteen right Brewers caught. 248 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 6: Up with them, and then they blew the wild Card 249 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 6: or not wild card, the extra game whatever they call 250 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 6: that game one sixty three. 251 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: And then the next year they had the gonna say 252 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: it boom uh. 253 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 6: Joe Madden called it two shots that Craig Kimberl came 254 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 6: up the home runs to. I think it was young 255 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 6: and I can't remember the other one. Was it a 256 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 6: YACHTI yeah, it might have been YACHTI Uh. That was 257 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 6: a crushing game at the end of that collapse. So 258 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 6: I've seen way more collapses in my cub's life. I 259 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 6: don't recall any like coming up big down the stretch. 260 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 6: I guess last year was the closest because they left 261 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 6: for dead in July or June and then they came 262 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 6: back and actually had to lead in the wild Card 263 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 6: before blowing it. 264 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: So this is that goes down as another collapse. Right. 265 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: That was a collapse, kind of just great a collapse. 266 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 6: It didn't feel like an epic collapse because you know, 267 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 6: they did come back from what ten games down or 268 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 6: something and then looked good. So I mean, what were 269 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 6: they They had to be nine or ten games down 270 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 6: in July this year, so this is it is a 271 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 6: great comeback but you know, like you said, it's you know, 272 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 6: it's just like twenty five twenty seven games left and 273 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 6: then doesn't It doesn't bode well unless both the Mets 274 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 6: and the Braves collapse as well. 275 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 5: Here hearing collapse Cubs Mets remind me of some I 276 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 5: wanted to ask you seally, like what what sort of 277 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 5: influence was working for Mike Royko early in your career 278 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 5: and like how did that kind of even to this 279 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 5: day like inform your coverage because you do such a 280 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 5: great job of like weaving the neighborhood and history into 281 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 5: your stories and also just like you have your network 282 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 5: of spies kind of out there on the North Side, 283 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 5: there's always like a detailer too that that. 284 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: That you have. 285 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 5: Just what was kind of the the Royko impact on 286 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 5: the columnists you've become. 287 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 6: Well, I guess at the number one thing was, you know, 288 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 6: don't take any ship from one. 289 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you say. 290 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 6: That on your podcast, but he was always like, you're 291 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 6: representing me, not the Tribune, which of course I was 292 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 6: working paid by the Tribute, but that was his blag man. 293 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 6: And if they if they're messing with you, then technically 294 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 6: they're messing with me, and I'm not going to take 295 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 6: any of that, like, so don't take any no comments, 296 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 6: you know. 297 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: Call him back, that kind of stuff. 298 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 6: So you really couldn't take no for an answer. So 299 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 6: that was really instilled in me early. And also just 300 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 6: the attention to detail, because you know, Reiko was such 301 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 6: a great writer and you know, so beyond anything I've 302 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 6: ever seen in Chicago. But you know, he he observed 303 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 6: things so greatly that you know, he you just you 304 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 6: don't just talk to the PR people or the you know, 305 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 6: the person you're writing about. 306 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: You talk to a million people, and you just some 307 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: things you're not going to use. 308 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 6: Some things you are, some things are on the record, 309 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 6: somethings are off. But I kind of took that with 310 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 6: me when I started covering the Cubs in the late nineties, 311 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 6: that it's not just the team I'm covering. It's like Yoshkawano, 312 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 6: Ronnie Wu, you know, the Dona Yum Young, Donut Place, Murphy's, 313 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 6: Beth Murphy. 314 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: It's just it's not. 315 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 6: Just the team you're covering. You're covering the whole culture 316 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 6: of the Cubs. And that's why I kind of like 317 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 6: to like poke fund at some of the Cubs executives 318 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 6: who were not used to being talked about that way, 319 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 6: you know, like a Carl Rice or even a Crane Kenny, because. 320 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 11: They're part of the story too, and they're you know, 321 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 11: if they put themselves in the spotlight, which they often 322 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 11: did with their press conferences, they should be subject to 323 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 11: criticism as well. 324 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: So I've always thought that, you. 325 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 6: Know, it's it's it's a different beat the Cubs. 326 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: It's just a different beat than anything else. 327 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 6: And with the White Socks, I don't really cover it 328 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 6: in the same kind of way. 329 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't. 330 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 6: I mean, there's nothing around White Sox Park to talk 331 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 6: to you. There's no mccuddies, I guess the closest. I 332 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 6: do cover the Sodfather quite a bit, because you know, 333 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 6: he's a ledgend. 334 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: But no, I always thought of the Cubs is something different. 335 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 6: And unique, and and I like to give and take 336 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 6: with people like you know, Beth Murphy and Ronnie Woo 337 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 6: and the Rooftop guys. 338 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: And even Crane. 339 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 6: I mean, I give Crane some credit because he's taking 340 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 6: a lot of abuse from me and he's you know, I. 341 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: Think he he's come to understand that it is just 342 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: part of the gig. 343 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 3: Now Sully. 344 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: I mean when you talk about the gig, I feel 345 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: it has completely changed, obviously in so many ways. One 346 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: way that I've just never seen is like the cutthroat 347 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: competition between the papers or other beats, Like we're friendlier now, 348 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 2: we just are. What was that like to work under 349 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: those conditions where it felt like, you know, not only 350 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: were you competitors, which I look at us as competitors, 351 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: but we're also I'm also like friendly with these people. 352 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: I don't think that was the case back when you 353 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: were starting. 354 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 6: No, not at all when it was you know, I 355 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 6: always go back to four or twenty years ago with 356 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 6: the Sun Times and the Tribune rivalry. 357 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: There was no Athletic. 358 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 6: Then you had the Herald, but it was a suburban 359 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 6: paper only, so you couldn't get it in the city. 360 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: You had the Southtown which was a. 361 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 6: Smaller paper, and you know, they covered the beat well, 362 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 6: but you know, we weren't worried about what they had 363 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 6: because no one was reading it outside of the South Side. 364 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: So it was basically us against the Sun. 365 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 6: And sometimes had a guy Mike Kylie, who was really 366 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 6: old school, great beat writer, you know, had his sources, 367 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 6: was very tight with management, which I was not and 368 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 6: used it against me and did a whole lot of 369 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 6: the sometimes has learned this, sometimes. 370 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: Has learned that. 371 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 6: And you know, we got into a lot of fights 372 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 6: that season because the Steve Stone versus the Cubs players 373 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 6: and Dusty Baker thing got to be a huge story 374 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 6: in the middle of the summer, and I was writing 375 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 6: it all the time, and then sometimes was denying it 376 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 6: all the time, like, oh, this is just I think 377 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 6: they called it tribute fantasy Land and stuff like that, 378 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 6: and you know, they had their players on their side, 379 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 6: like Mark Pryor and Sammy Sosa, and they had the 380 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 6: upper management, and you know, I really didn't. I felt 381 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 6: like I was fighting every other beat writer at that point, 382 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 6: but I still was friendly with most of them. It 383 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 6: was just and even Kylie, you know, we could go 384 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 6: out and have a beer afterwards. But it was it 385 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 6: was pretty nasty, and I can't say that I. 386 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: Missed those days. 387 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 6: But having gone through it, I think it makes you 388 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 6: a better reporter, and it certainly makes you more thick skinned, 389 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 6: because man, I took a lot of shia, including from 390 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 6: the Cubs management. Andy McPhail you know, calling me into 391 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 6: his office and you know, calling my boss in telling them, 392 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 6: how can you let this guy cover our team? He 393 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 6: hates the Cubs and you know, stuff like that. It 394 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 6: just seemed to happen a lot. 395 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 5: One of the preconditions of you coming on was you 396 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 5: you had asked can I rip a j And obviously 397 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 5: Aj Brazenski and Ken Rosenthal are two big figures and 398 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 5: the Felt network and kind of what you're talking about 399 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 5: reminds me of like, you know, those guys. I don't 400 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 5: know if it's a. 401 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 4: Love hate relationship you have those guys. Maybe it's more of. 402 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 5: A a Joe Madden, like you vibrate on their frequency 403 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 5: that like you love the give and take, you know, yeah, 404 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 5: And I think a lot of people really respond to 405 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 5: that because you just walk up there, you have your 406 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 5: question and you have your record, like there's not a 407 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 5: lot of gray area. Just how did you develop that style? 408 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 5: And like how do you like why do you enjoy 409 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 5: the give and take? How do you kind of go 410 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 5: about it on a day to day basis? Because it's 411 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 5: fun fun for us to watch. I've learned a ton 412 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 5: just by observing how you do your job. 413 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm just guessing. 414 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 6: I mean, I really I'm not in you know, thinking 415 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 6: about it when I do it. I but I'm sure 416 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 6: it's a Royco influence because he was very direct and 417 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 6: to the point, even when he was telling me, you know, 418 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 6: I could get someone off the street that could do 419 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 6: this job better than you, and you know, it was 420 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 6: it was quite an experience working for him. And I 421 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 6: don't know, I guess I think of one incident when 422 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 6: because we're getting ready to fire Dale Swam and the 423 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 6: rumor was they were going to hire Joe Girardi, and 424 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 6: I think I just outright asked THEO, like on the field, yes, 425 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 6: And I don't even know how I phrased it, but 426 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 6: it was it was very blunt, and he said it 427 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 6: was a borderline disrespectful of me to do that, which 428 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 6: I was like, you know, you know, you're president of 429 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 6: the team, You're not president of America. You know, it's 430 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 6: I don't you know. I guess it's not a lack 431 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 6: of respect for these people. 432 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: It's just that. 433 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 6: You know, you're you're just someone I'm interviewing. You're next 434 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 6: God or anything. And sometimes I think that there is 435 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 6: so used to, you know, being handled with kids glove 436 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 6: by by reporters. You don't want to, you know, get 437 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 6: them mad at him and possibly lose access to them 438 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 6: that they kind of take me in different way. And so, 439 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 6: you know, I mean, Rick Hann hardly ever talked to me. 440 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 6: He was very nice to me, but he would not 441 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 6: do interviews with me. And I always found that challenging. 442 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 6: And just yesterday I go up to Chris Jetz, the 443 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 6: White Sox general manager, and he looked like, oh, geez, 444 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 6: here we. 445 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: Go, and I go, you know, hey, you got a 446 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: second and he was. 447 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 6: Fine, and we talked for you know, ten minutes and 448 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 6: talked a little off the record, and you know, I 449 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 6: never would have gotten that. 450 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: Kind of reception before from the White Sox. 451 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 6: So I always appreciate when people understand that my job 452 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 6: is to you know, ask you questions. Some of them 453 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 6: are going to be uncomfortable, some of them are going 454 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 6: to be softballs, but you know, you don't have to 455 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 6: answer them if you don't want. But at least, you know, 456 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 6: showed the respect for my job to you know, at 457 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 6: least pretend that you're going to answer them. You know, 458 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 6: you know, I have to give me the great greatest 459 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 6: ques quotes, but just answer some questions. 460 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: I guess, Sally, that's definitely something I've learned from watching 461 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: you and other reporters is I mean, sometimes there are 462 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 2: times you can massage the question because you're searching for 463 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: a way to get because it's been asked so many 464 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: times and you're not and nobody's getting the answer that 465 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: they want. But it sometimes the best way is just 466 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: to be straightforward, just go just ask the question, being 467 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 2: uncomfortable as part of this. They're not gonna love it 468 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: every single time. So I've appreciated I've appreciated that watching 469 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: veterans like you do that. I guess when I say 470 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: call you a veteran, I'm a veteran and Patrick is 471 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 2: a veteran now too, which feels odd to say, but 472 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: that that's to the reality where we are. 473 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 6: And yeah, hey, I do want to say something about 474 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 6: AJ and Kenny because you know, yeah, go for it. 475 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 6: I have all the respect in the world for both 476 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 6: those guys, and Kenny is like my hero. I. I've 477 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 6: always used to take pictures of them and tweet it 478 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 6: and just to get on his nerves because we came 479 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 6: up at the same time when he was with the 480 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 6: Baltimore Son and and I'm sure I've gotten on his 481 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 6: nerves to no end, But I mean, I have so 482 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 6: much respect for him, and just the fact that he 483 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 6: was the only one national writer that you know, would 484 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 6: stand up to Rob Manfred a lot of the times, 485 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 6: and it cost him his job at MLB Network. It's 486 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 6: just a lot of respect for him and AJ. Even 487 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 6: though he was with the White Sox, he always considered 488 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 6: me a enemy because I covered the Cubs, but I 489 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 6: always appreciated, you know, his honesty and his bluntnos as player, 490 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 6: just interviewing him, and I think he'd be a great 491 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 6: manager for the White Sox. 492 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it'll ever happen, but you know, he's. 493 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 6: He kind of like Ozzy. He turned to the podcast 494 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 6: world and he's kicking butt. And I always like to 495 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 6: see players that go to the media and become part 496 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 6: of us, and it's it's kind of like, Okay, you're 497 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 6: one of us now, and. 498 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: They don't want to admit it, but they are. 499 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 3: Kenny's one of the best teammates I've had in this business. 500 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: And AJ, like you said, honesty is so appreciated, especially 501 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: from former players. Don't play games, just come straight at it, 502 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: and I think that's why he succeeds what he does. 503 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: Sully Thanks so much for joining us. This is Northside Territory. 504 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: Make sure to rate, review, subscribe to all that fun 505 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: stuff for the podcast, Subscribe to The Athletic. Subscribe to 506 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: the Chicago Tribune, where you can read all of Paul 507 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: Sullivan's work. He is a legend in the industry and 508 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: in Chicago. Thanks so much, Sully, Thanks for listening to everyone. 509 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: Take care. 510 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: Thanks Jays.