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Speaker 2: Simon's how are you. I'm doing great?

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Speaker 1: A transform life is still the greatest miracle, and Jesus

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Speaker 3: It so is that I'm so grateful personally, and I

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important for people watching to understand.

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Speaker 4: It is a lie straight from the enemy, because no

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Speaker 1: It's a good it's a good word when we have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Rebecca lamb wiss. Our guest has a very special

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Speaker 6: You may know Him and have abundant life, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yep. Dorothy Newton, how are you doing? My friends?

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Speaker 7: Doing so good?

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Speaker 2: So good?

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Speaker 7: You know, there's nothing better than freedom and Christ, you know,

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Speaker 1: He's the founding pastor of Firehouse Church in Chicago and

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Speaker 1: Please welcome, okay, Marcus Rogers, come on in, Marcus.

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Speaker 2: That's so important I submit to.

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Speaker 1: It is chaos, and I appreciate you sharing that as

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Speaker 1: I want to stay right there because when we come back,

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back everyone.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the Lord has spared your life and called

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Speaker 2: Where did this start?

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Speaker 9: All right, it's going to be a pretty funny story.

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Speaker 9: But essentially where it started, though is I have to

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Speaker 9: We're I'm thirteen twelve. He's like eight and they stole

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Speaker 9: my little snacks. They were like, you got any money,

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Speaker 9: and I said no. I pat in my pockets and

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Speaker 9: It's terrible, but I knew, okay, I gotta listen when

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Speaker 9: I hear that voice, and so you become more familiar

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Speaker 9: with the voice of God. And so I had started

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Speaker 9: making videos just to encourage people because I've never been

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Speaker 9: the cool kid. I always been rejected. So I said, man,

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Speaker 9: let me make these videos. Somebody out there can be

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Speaker 9: encouraged by this. And I was only getting like two views,

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Speaker 9: almost probably my mom. And that was like for like

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Speaker 9: to your office.

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Speaker 8: And I knew it was that boy.

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Speaker 9: So I'm gonna listen this time, okay, And I went,

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Speaker 9: and the Holy Spirit is like, take that trash can

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Speaker 9: I got friends who are in the army. They're going

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Speaker 9: to think I need a psycho val or something like that,

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Speaker 9: and the Holy Spirit was like, stick your head in

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Speaker 9: that trash can and then preach. And I didn't know

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Speaker 9: where I was going to preach. I put my head

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Speaker 9: in the water, and that same feeling I had when

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Speaker 9: the oil hit me and I can't I helped. I

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Speaker 9: just stayed on there and I came out. I said,

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Speaker 9: you gotta want God as bad as you want to breathe,

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Speaker 9: you know, and like that desperation, you know. And that

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Speaker 9: video took off like thirty thousand followers in about a

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Speaker 9: week and there I never looked back.

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Speaker 2: Wow. So it wasn't about Marcus.

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Speaker 1: It was a God things right, Okay, it was clean it.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So why did you write the book? You say, why

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Speaker 1: being set apart makes you dangerous.

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Speaker 9: I think a lot of times people don't understand my ministry.

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Speaker 9: But I'm a big believer in what the Bible says

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Speaker 9: that in the last days it'd be doctrines of devils,

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Speaker 9: seducing spirits, great falling away.

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Speaker 8: So I take that very serious.

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Speaker 9: And so we just have to make sure that we

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Speaker 9: have that personal relationship where we know God for ourselves.

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Speaker 9: So like in that book, I talk about, you know,

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Speaker 9: always the victim, never the vessel, from the stripper poll

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Speaker 9: to the praise team, just you know, and challenging people's

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Speaker 9: perspective on what Christianity is and then backing it up

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Speaker 9: with Bible, you know, essentially, and so it's weirdo Christianity

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Speaker 9: to not believe God that you know, he is the

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Speaker 9: source of your provision, the source of everything. You know,

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Speaker 9: a lot of people they don't trust God.

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Speaker 8: They say they do.

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Speaker 9: We sing the songs, we make the post, but when

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Speaker 9: it's time to really, you know, put it to the test,

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Speaker 9: we see the church doesn't always step up like it should.

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Speaker 1: Ye would you just take a moment and encourage someone

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Speaker 1: in a simple prayer because you're watching and if you're

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Speaker 1: to die right now, you don't really know where you go,

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Speaker 1: Like you really don't. He said, Well, I'm a good,

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Speaker 1: good person. Won't get you to heaven only through Jesus,

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Speaker 1: he said, I'm the way, the truth in life, and

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Speaker 1: no one comes to the Father except by me.

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Speaker 2: And it's a free gift. Talk talk to the Marcus.

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Speaker 9: What I just want to encourage you if you're watching this.

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Speaker 9: It's not an accident that you're watching this right now

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Speaker 9: with these wonderful annointed ladies. God is trying to tell

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Speaker 9: you something, and number one that he has more for you.

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Speaker 9: He has a plan for your life. There are no

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Speaker 9: accidents with God. So if you're here and you're still breathing,

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Speaker 9: you might feel like, man, I don't have a lot

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Speaker 9: going on for me. My life has been hard. It's

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Speaker 9: never too late with God for him to turn things around.

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Speaker 9: So if you're still breathing, you have an opportunity to win.

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Speaker 9: You have an opportunity to overcome. You have an opportunity.

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Speaker 9: Let me tell you something. You might have pain in

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Speaker 9: your life, but guess what the labor pains bring louder

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Speaker 9: reins when you trust God. So what I would just

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Speaker 9: encourage you to do. You don't have to pray a

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Speaker 9: fancy prayer.

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Speaker 8: You just have to be sincere.

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Speaker 9: From your heart and say, God, this is what I

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Speaker 9: got going on, this is what I'm dealing with, this

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Speaker 9: is what I'm feeling, and I surrender it to you.

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Speaker 8: And if you give it to God, it might not

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Speaker 8: seem like a lot.

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Speaker 9: If you give it to God, I promise you he

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Speaker 9: can do more with it than you can.

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Speaker 8: So be encouraged.

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Speaker 9: And remember, without faith, it is impossible to please God.

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Speaker 9: So when you're in situations where it's faith, it's no surprise.

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Speaker 8: God's just trying to see that you trust them.

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Speaker 1: Can you just do a little simple prayer, will repeat

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Speaker 1: after you for those of you maybe don't know how

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Speaker 1: to pray.

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Speaker 9: That prayer so easy, Father, right now, in the name

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Speaker 9: of Jesus, we just want to pray for everyone that's

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Speaker 9: watching and let them know that all they have to

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Speaker 9: do is have a conversation with you. They don't have

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Speaker 9: to get pray anything fancy Father, So right now, anybody

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Speaker 9: that's watching, if you need joy, if you need peace,

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Speaker 9: the Bible says not, and the door shall be open.

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Speaker 9: You can just lift your hands right now and said God,

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Speaker 9: I need some peace in my life. I need some

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Speaker 9: joy in my life. I need some healing in my life.

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Speaker 9: I need some freedom. And if you ask, you shall receive.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't have to be nothing religious about it. And

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Speaker 9: the same way that my kids can come and they

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Speaker 9: ask their Dad for anything. If they're hungry, I'm going

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Speaker 9: to feed them. If they're scared, I'm going to comfort them.

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Speaker 9: God will do the same for you.

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Speaker 1: I remember my grandpa who's such a great influence on

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Speaker 1: my life.

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Speaker 2: I tell this all the time.

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Speaker 1: But he was there at the Tulan'di Mill, Greenville, South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: on a Monday morning at the water fountain, and his

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Speaker 1: life is a mess. He's nineteen years old and he

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Speaker 1: didn't know how to pray, but he just said, God,

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Speaker 1: if you're there, I need you. And God transformed his

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Speaker 1: life in such a powerful way. He wants it to

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Speaker 1: do that for you to just say, Jesus forgive me

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Speaker 1: coming in my heart right now, be my Lord in Savior,

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Speaker 1: and I thank you for everything that you're going to

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Speaker 1: do in the days ahead in Jesus name.

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 1: It is a transforming prayer, Dorothy, Yes, it is. It

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Speaker 1: changes everything you know. The past is for it is

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Speaker 1: gone forever and it's a new start, a new beginning

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Speaker 1: with not alone.

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Speaker 2: But with Christ.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Rebecca, what about people who just prayed that prayer?

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Speaker 2: What can they expect?

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Speaker 6: Well, once you receive the get to salvation. I was

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Speaker 6: actually reading about it today in Galatians, talking about that

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Speaker 6: when we are baptized in Christ, we are raised to

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Speaker 6: new life, and it actually talks about how there's freedom

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Speaker 6: found in Christ. But as I was actually sitting here,

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Speaker 6: I was thinking, Okay, now, if you create that prayer,

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Speaker 6: that's like the first step. Then you got to find

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Speaker 6: a good Bible believing church, get in check that doctrine.

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Speaker 6: It's usually on their website, make sure it's spirit filled,

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Speaker 6: spirit led, and develop a relationship with God. And just

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Speaker 6: kind of what Marcus was saying, give every day to

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Speaker 6: him and just follow him. Those who are led by

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Speaker 6: the spirit of God or sons of God, do whatever

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Speaker 6: he says, even if it means hiding behind the cars.

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Speaker 2: He's always right, that's right. So good Rachel.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think also it's important that people be found

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Speaker 5: in community. You know, so many people will have said this.

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Speaker 5: Dad used to say this, show me your friends, and

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Speaker 5: I'll show you your future. And so it's important to

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Speaker 5: get around people that believe in Jesus and so that

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Speaker 5: they can influence your life and to start to change

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Speaker 5: and grow and be everything.

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Speaker 1: That God's called BEAUTI And a Bible and a kinda

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Speaker 1: how important important?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that is so important.

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Speaker 4: Find a Bible that you understand, Yes, one that you understand.

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Speaker 4: You know, most of us have tried managing our lives,

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Speaker 4: ourselves We've tried handling everything ourselves and made a miss.

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Speaker 2: And just think when you.

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Speaker 4: Can turn this over to God and he creates beauty

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Speaker 4: out of it. We give him ashes and he turns

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Speaker 4: it to beauty. So stop trying to do it yourself.

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Speaker 1: Allow God.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 3: I'm just so glad. God gives us a million second chances.

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Speaker 3: And anybody who's watching who said, God, I've messed up

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Speaker 3: too many times. If you don't take this story and

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Speaker 3: listen to it, he can do anything with anybody, no

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Speaker 3: matter how many times we've missed his voice or you know,

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Speaker 3: just messed up.

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Speaker 2: So grateful. Who needs to read the book?

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Speaker 9: I would just encourage anybody, especially young folks to read

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Speaker 9: it because they're getting all their information from podcasts and

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Speaker 9: stuff like that. That has Bible to back up everything

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Speaker 9: that I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So that's so good, so good. Well, we are out

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Speaker 2: of time, but I want to leave you with this.

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Speaker 1: You are created for such a time as this. It's

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Speaker 1: no accident that God put you in this specific moment

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Speaker 1: in history, and you know what He's given you, a

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Speaker 1: purpose and what you need to accomplish it. But it

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Speaker 1: takes surrendering to Him and his word. It's like a computer.

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Speaker 1: It's not connected to the internet. If we're not connected

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Speaker 1: to the one who created us, we really can't fulfill

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Speaker 1: our destiny on the earth. That's why giving your heart

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Speaker 1: to the Lord and saying God, not my will, but

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Speaker 1: your will be done. You're going to be amazed and say, well,

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Speaker 1: it's too late. You don't know that is a lie.

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Speaker 1: Do not believe that it is a lie from the

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Speaker 1: pit of hell. God has his hand on you and

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Speaker 1: he wants to use you. So if you're watching today

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Speaker 1: you're ready to say yes to God. Or if you

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Speaker 1: pray that prayer with us, prayer partners are standing by

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Speaker 1: ready to pray with you today. If you have a

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Speaker 1: need in your life, you say just I just need

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Speaker 1: someone to pray with me. I just need to be encouraged.

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Speaker 1: I've lost hope. That's why that numbers on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So call that number. It's our honor to pray for you.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Marcus Rogers for joining us at

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Speaker 1: the table. Be sure you pick up a copy of

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Speaker 1: his book Where do Christianity? Why Being Set Apart Makes

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Speaker 1: You Dangerous? Is available now and for more you can

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Speaker 1: visit him online at Marcus Rodgersministries dot org. You're able

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Speaker 1: to speak, yes and preach you a little preaching there, okay?

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Speaker 2: All right? Well, Nature and of all.

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Speaker 1: now on all major platforms. I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: for watching. I'm really excited about those of you that

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Speaker 1: prayed that prayer. I just want you to know God

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Speaker 1: loves you so much and I don't care what mistakes

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Speaker 1: you've made. He will forgive you if you just ask him. Okay,

665
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Speaker 1: what he did on the cross. His blood was shed

666
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: for you and for me, and it's a free gift.

667
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Salvation is a free gift. You don't have to work

668
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Speaker 1: for it.

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Speaker 2: You have to be good. You can't change yourself before.

670
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Speaker 1: Just stop, quit trying to do all that and just say, Okay,

671
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Speaker 1: I'm coming to you just as I am. Lord, Come

672
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Speaker 1: into my heart right now, and He'll meet you right.

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Speaker 12: Where you are.

674
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Speaker 2: Was he you next time?

675
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Speaker 12: By my for today?

676
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Speaker 1: So what happens when you let God take the lead

677
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Speaker 1: in your love story? Well, today's guests are here to

678
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: share their journey of healing, hope, and second chances. If

679
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: you've ever faced heartbreak or a broken relationship, their story

680
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: will encourage you to believe that God can take even

681
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Speaker 1: the most impossible situations and turn them into something beautiful.

682
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Speaker 1: Before we get to that and joining me around the table,

683
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Speaker 1: it's my beautiful friend, Cindy Johnston. No, we love beautiful

684
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Speaker 1: love stories absolutely.

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Speaker 13: I love Hallmark Channel. I love love stories. But you know,

686
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Speaker 13: marriage requires a lot of work. It does, but it's

687
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Speaker 13: worth every amount of work that you put into it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Kendall, welcome. And I think we'll touch some

689
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Speaker 1: on blended families as well.

690
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Speaker 2: That's important.

691
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Speaker 4: It is very important that when we realize that we've

692
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 4: been broken and blended and bonded. And I think that's

693
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Speaker 4: what's happened here. There's a bonding, all right.

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Speaker 2: Rachel Lamb Brown. You're always ready to learn.

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Speaker 5: I'm ready to learn and grow. And this is a

696
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 5: wild story of how they met. Yeah, you just never

697
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 5: know where you meet someone. See always got to get ready, you.

698
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Speaker 1: Never know, So get ready because you're going to hear

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Speaker 1: their story.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready? I'm ready?

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Speaker 7: I'm ready, you know I'm excited follow them a poor

702
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Speaker 7: a while and great, great stuff.

703
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Speaker 1: All right, we want to welcome David and Nikki Winston

704
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Speaker 1: to the table today.

705
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: Welcome guys. Thank you, so glad you're thank you for coming. Well.

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Speaker 1: You know, David and Nicki Winston have walked through trials

707
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Speaker 1: in their relationship and discovered God's healing, and now they're

708
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Speaker 1: passionate about helping couples grow together, not apart. Today they're

709
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Speaker 1: here to share their story and offer practical tools to

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Speaker 1: build a.

711
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Speaker 2: Stronger and lasting marriage.

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Speaker 1: So, David Winston, son of Bill Winston, who's been here

713
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Speaker 1: at the table a couple of.

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Speaker 2: Times, we love him. We love his dad, love his dad.

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Speaker 1: So how many kids are there in the family.

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Speaker 14: I'm one of three, and.

717
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Speaker 2: Where are you at?

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Speaker 14: And then I'm the youngest. You're the young and the

719
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Speaker 14: only son, the only begotten.

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Speaker 1: Son, son, the youngest and the only Let me just

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Speaker 1: tell you about the babies always spoil, aren't they?

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Speaker 2: Rachel?

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Speaker 1: Definitely they are they are. So tell us a little

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Speaker 1: bit about your story. Uh, let's start with you, Nikki,

725
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Speaker 1: because you didn't have you had some difficulties, I mean,

726
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Speaker 1: some challenges growing up in a family, divorce, et cetera,

727
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Speaker 1: et cetera. Talk a little bit about that how it

728
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Speaker 1: affected you.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, so I did come from a divorce family, and

730
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Speaker 15: it was my stepdad who raised me through my biological dad.

731
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Speaker 2: Did you know him?

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Speaker 15: I didn't early on, So we have a great relationship now.

733
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Speaker 15: I he knew me when I was younger, but you know,

734
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Speaker 15: when you're so young, you don't have memories. So we

735
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Speaker 15: met for me about thirteen years old. Wow, And our

736
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Speaker 15: relationship now is fantastic.

737
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Speaker 1: But back then, you really it was absent.

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Speaker 2: It was new first years. Yeah, yeah, your life.

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Speaker 15: So but my stepdad was he raised me, It's all

740
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Speaker 15: I knew.

741
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Speaker 2: That's all I knew.

742
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Speaker 15: I had the last name, his last name and everything,

743
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Speaker 15: and so I was it was a very loving relationship.

744
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Speaker 15: So when he and my mom divorced, and I thought

745
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Speaker 15: that that was my dad, I mean I knew, but

746
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Speaker 15: I thought that.

747
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, so he just disappeared.

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Speaker 5: So your mom and your stepdad divorced, Yes, yeah, that's

749
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Speaker 5: what was a traumatic ri Absolutely.

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Speaker 15: So I was eleven or twelve, and I just kind

751
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 15: of went through the changes of the girl who has

752
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 15: very obvious daddy issues like attention.

753
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Speaker 1: That's a really important age though, yes, eleven terms dads,

754
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Speaker 1: those of you that are listening, I'm married to a

755
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: psychologist that he said, the dad has such an important

756
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: role in a little girl's life, to tell her she's beautiful,

757
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Speaker 1: to tell her that she has a great God, has

758
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: a great plan for her life, that she's smart, and

759
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, all of those things is so important to

760
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Speaker 1: pour into your daughters. And so eleven or twelve, all

761
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden that's gone and you have a great mom,

762
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Speaker 1: but that still doesn't fill the role of what your

763
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: dad could do when you have When that's absent, then

764
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Speaker 1: you try to make up for it.

765
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Speaker 2: And that's kind of what you.

766
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Speaker 15: Did, what I did, and so just you know, attentions.

767
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Speaker 15: But what happened was I attracted the wrong person, got

768
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Speaker 15: married at nineteen years old too. I mean when you look,

769
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Speaker 15: but your husband would say, it was my it was

770
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Speaker 15: a dad, you know, the father figured I was looking for.

771
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Speaker 15: So you know, that didn't turn out well because I

772
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Speaker 15: think a lot of ladies know what that kind of

773
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Speaker 15: personality can look like.

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Speaker 1: But that was that was something you tried to make work.

775
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: You had two children. Oh yes, but what was I mean,

776
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: it was just not a healthy relationship.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I tried, and I tried.

778
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Speaker 15: I mean we didn't. I didn't I didn't believe in divorce,

779
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 15: and yeah, we had two children. And so ultimately I

780
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 15: feel like I got delivered from the marriage. Yeah, and

781
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 15: then I was still I was very broken coming out

782
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 15: of that marriage, like broken empty.

783
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Speaker 2: I am a lot. I've been told. I know, it's whatever.

784
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Speaker 15: I had a lot of stuff, a lot, but I

785
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 15: oh me out of that marriage.

786
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 14: I felt so like empty and weird.

787
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Speaker 15: And I wasn't used to because I was at my

788
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 15: mom's house at that point and my current my stepdad now,

789
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 15: who's amazing, and I just felt like I was waiting

790
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 15: for something to come around the corner and oppress me.

791
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 15: Like it was like weird to not live under something

792
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 15: hard and judgmental and oppressive. And so I had to

793
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 15: kind of come out of that first.

794
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so what were some of the things that

795
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: you had to deal with that God had to heal

796
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: in your heart early on from that divorce.

797
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: Well, I still had daddy issues.

798
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Speaker 15: So I came out of that marriage broken and hurting

799
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 15: and still seeking male attention, honestly, So I had to

800
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 15: heal from that. I went through this process of forgiveness

801
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 15: at a conference for ladies, and I forgave all the men,

802
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 15: all of them, and really did like I felt the change.

803
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: I went from.

804
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 15: I was at this thing and I was like, felt

805
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 15: like kind of bound, and I forgave and I remember

806
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 15: just dancing with the ladies and it just felt so different.

807
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 2: I felt free.

808
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 15: And then so after forgiveness, some time after was healing

809
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 15: and where I just basically God instantly healed me from

810
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 15: a spirit of unworthiness. He spoke, He told me that

811
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 15: that's what I was dealing with.

812
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: He said, said, you're carrying this and I don't want

813
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: you to because I.

814
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: Said take it because you are worthy, Yeah, have it.

815
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: Then I don't want it.

816
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: So did you feel something left?

817
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 15: Okay, it felt like it came out like almost like

818
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 15: if I had to picture it, it's.

819
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: Almost like it laid room and now.

820
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 15: Yeah, it felt just like like about the size of

821
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 15: this with I know that sounds weird, but I could.

822
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 15: I could picture it and it came out and I

823
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 15: just started praying the spirit to try to fill back

824
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 15: up the whole space. And then after forgiveness healing, I

825
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 15: still had the habits. So I went through this process

826
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 15: where I was getting all this male attention and it

827
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 15: was grossing me out and I felt like a sheep and.

828
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: They were wolves.

829
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 15: And I asked God about it, and he said, nothing's changed,

830
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 15: you just are healed now. And so I had habits

831
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 15: that were attracting it still. So God took me through

832
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 15: a process of habit changes.

833
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: What were some of those habits that were dangerous? Okay, okay,

834
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: here she's like.

835
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: I got a question.

836
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 15: So you know how like when you see a woman

837
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 15: walk and you're like, oh, she's trying to get attention.

838
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: Okay, That's how I walked.

839
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 15: I mean, and I'm already built kind of in a

840
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 15: way that's hard not to walk a certain way. So

841
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 15: I literally practiced walking straight. And now if you see me,

842
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 15: I walk straight.

843
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: And I know that sounds but when you're alone with David.

844
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 14: Absolutely that wall.

845
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying.

846
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: It's like you were It's almost like a subconscious thing

847
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: mm hmm, where you're you're trying to attract something. Feel

848
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: a hole, right, But now that I was healed, but

849
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: you were healed, and the Lord was like, so, what

850
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: other habit was?

851
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 15: The way I flipped my hair was very dramatic. Yeah,

852
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 15: you know, it was kind of like, you know, I

853
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 15: just eyes and everything and so and then even my

854
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 15: sense of humor, the way.

855
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 16: I jop live around the girls like you before I was,

856
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 16: I was like that I have pictures sometimes I want

857
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 16: to show them, like the different like here's me at eleven,

858
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 16: here's me at fourteen, you know, just different.

859
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, just all those things. So and you

860
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: were you.

861
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: Were almost like it's almost like, if you remember what

862
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: we say in church, save, sanctify and filled with the

863
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: Holy School long with that sanctification process is a process

864
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: for the Holy Spirit, is teaching us how to be

865
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: a godly woman a problem thirty one?

866
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: Did you tie us too?

867
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 5: Did you go through this healing process before you met

868
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 5: David r Us?

869
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was when I met So.

870
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Speaker 15: I also cut fifteen inches off my hair because I

871
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 15: was kind of you know how you sometimes you go

872
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 15: overboard when you're I didn't know exactly what to do,

873
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 15: so that was when I felt like I was body

874
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 15: and hair. So I just chopped it and it was

875
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 15: like it was still like shoulder length, and I just

876
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 15: thought that was something else I could do. So when

877
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 15: I met him, was I had grown maybe like an

878
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 15: inch like I had met him right after I had

879
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 15: really worked through that process.

880
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: Okay, so David, talk tell us about meeting this beautiful

881
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: Nikki because you were a senior at that's right, and

882
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: in a relationship.

883
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 14: Yeah, I had.

884
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 10: I had just gotten out of a relationship.

885
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: How did you know, like you'll are engaged, So how

886
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: did you know?

887
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: Okay, this is not right?

888
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 14: You know, God he spoke to me.

889
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 10: You know, long story short, there was just kind of

890
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 10: an unrest in my spirit.

891
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: I got to listen to that, don't you.

892
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 14: You've got to lean into that.

893
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: I mean whenhip it was about two years. So I'm

894
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: just saying that there's some of you that you're in

895
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: a relationship right now and you don't have peace like.

896
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: You just know when you're knower. Yeah, you're really the

897
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: Holy Spirit.

898
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: And that is not right and you really have to

899
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: have that peace.

900
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: So you didn't have that.

901
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 14: I didn't have that, And I thought, the Lord.

902
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: It's a mutual thing or did she get hurt?

903
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: You get it?

904
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 10: It was not a mutual thing. She did not get

905
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 10: that spiritual memo. And so you know, for whatever reason,

906
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 10: that's what God was speaking to my heart. Actually, as

907
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 10: a matter of fact, I said Lord, I want you

908
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 10: to confirm it. After I prayed, I felt like God

909
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 10: spoke to me. I went to speak to my dad

910
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 10: the next morning and he said, son, God has been

911
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 10: speaking to me about your relationship for the last two weeks,

912
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 10: and I didn't want to overstep, so I asked the

913
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 10: Lord to show you first and then bring you to

914
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 10: me to confirm her was it.

915
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 7: A bad relationship, because sometimes when you walk away, it

916
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 7: doesn't necessarily mean it.

917
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 14: Wasn't a bad relationship.

918
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 10: And that was probably part of the curiosity that I had.

919
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 10: That was part of the angstet I didn't know because

920
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 10: there was nothing wrong naturally that happened. There was no catalyst,

921
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 10: there was nothing that set it off. There wasn't a

922
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 10: big fight. I wasn't feeling necessarily jitterus about, you know,

923
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 10: being married.

924
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 14: It was just an unsettling Yes. I couldn't.

925
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 10: I couldn't make it digest.

926
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 5: So many people settle for good when God wants to

927
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 5: give them greatly.

928
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 10: Well, that's literally what God spoke to me. He literally said,

929
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 10: you can have good or you can have my best.

930
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 14: The choice is up to you.

931
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 10: And so for me, he knew that his best for

932
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 10: me was this woman right here, and she she had

933
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 10: what I needed to help me grow in the areas

934
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 10: that God needed me to grow.

935
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's get you all met.

936
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 10: Okay, So so so mutual friend of mine, we were

937
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 10: hanging out one night. We went to hang out at

938
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 10: her house, just to hang out as friends. She worked

939
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 10: at the Sprint telephone company. I said, hey, I need

940
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 10: to disconnect the contract with my ex.

941
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 14: Can you help me?

942
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 10: She said, yeah, come on in to the store I'm

943
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 10: working on these days. We came in, she helped, and

944
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 10: then her friends after a minute.

945
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: When you met her at the house, were you already thinking.

946
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 10: There was no romantic nothing, nothing romantic to go to

947
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 10: the Sprint store.

948
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 14: Yeah, we were just kind of hanging out.

949
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 10: I didn't know her before, so she was a stranger

950
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 10: that day, and so, you know, we became acquaintances, and.

951
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 14: So she helped me. We left. Her friends who worked

952
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 14: there were.

953
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 10: Employees, said hey, that was awkward. He was flirting with

954
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 10: you and she was like, no, no, he wasn't. And

955
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 10: so here I come text messaging her right in the

956
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 10: midst of that conversation and said, hey, sorry, that was awkward.

957
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for helping me. You know, with

958
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 10: with my situation, what are you doing?

959
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 14: Because the ex was right there with me, like what.

960
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: Is happening here?

961
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 15: Because they felt like he was starting with me and

962
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 15: I did not.

963
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 5: I didn't feel that, and I didn't know you were

964
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 5: helping both of them of them and.

965
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 14: She was doing a great job as a professional.

966
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 10: And I asked, you was very professional, very professional, And

967
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 10: I said, hey, how can I How can I thank you?

968
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 14: I'd love to come see you.

969
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 10: And so I wore her down after a while, and

970
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 10: she was doing an off site engagement for work, and

971
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 10: so she said, okay, you can visit me and I said,

972
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 10: can I bring you something? She said, you can bring

973
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 10: me chocolate? So I brought her Godiva and we just

974
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 10: hung out and talked.

975
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 14: Then we went on her lunch break and talked some more.

976
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: And what are you thinking? Like are you just like

977
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: what were you thinking of me?

978
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: Or you just like immediately like to be honest, there's

979
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: something here.

980
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 14: To be honest.

981
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 10: I was just shocked and blessed that this beautiful woman

982
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 10: was like entertaining me like I was.

983
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: Just she was just couple years older than you.

984
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 10: Yeah, she's six and a half years older than me.

985
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 10: And so I was just like I felt like, man,

986
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 10: like I'm winning today.

987
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 14: This is a good Friday for me.

988
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: Oh you know, and I told you early.

989
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: Like my husband Doug, he talks about in finding mister

990
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: Wright that you can you can get a boy, you

991
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: can get a man, or you can get a godly man.

992
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: And he was a godly man. Yeah.

993
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: And so even though he was a few years younger,

994
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: you recognize the maturity him that you hadn't seen before.

995
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 8: Yeah.

996
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 15: Yeah, So I had just broken up about a week

997
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 15: or so before that.

998
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: I had broken up with.

999
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 15: Someone fourteen years older than him. And what I didn't

1000
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 15: couldn't get past was the communication. It was just so

1001
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 15: like immature. It was fragmented.

1002
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: There was no understanding. That's with the older man. The

1003
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: older man.

1004
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1005
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 15: So here we are and I'm, you know, sitting here

1006
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 15: talking with him, and it was like, I have not

1007
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 15: this is a young man. I've never communicated like this

1008
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 15: with a man. He's just engaged and listening and paying attention.

1009
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 15: He loves God so caring and loves the Lord.

1010
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 5: Did you know at the time that she was divorced

1011
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 5: and had two kids.

1012
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 10: Yes, because I think that first night that we hung out,

1013
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 10: you know, just kind of getting to know each other.

1014
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: You kind of threw that out there just because you

1015
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: wanted him to know, like, well, I mean knowing me.

1016
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 15: I probably talked about it right when you visited me

1017
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 15: on that worksite, because it's not it's not something I

1018
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 15: hide like, it's very much the biggest part of my

1019
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 15: life is that I have children.

1020
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: So I mean, I mean I might have said I.

1021
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 15: Would have said divorce probably, but that I had kids

1022
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 15: and talk about my kids.

1023
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 10: And I really think it's God because it kind of

1024
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 10: snuck up on me, and I think both of us,

1025
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 10: because neither of us were looking for like a long term,

1026
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 10: committed relationship. I had just gotten out of something. She

1027
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 10: had just gotten out of something. And when we got

1028
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 10: together that weekend, it was just like this is divine.

1029
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was forever, it was. That was it. It

1030
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: was exclusive every day, no, immediately after you got together.

1031
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 15: Immediately every day on the phone in person.

1032
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 10: I'll say this and we've said this before that after

1033
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 10: three days, we felt like.

1034
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 14: We were in love.

1035
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 10: And I remember my oldest sister, Melody, she came to

1036
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 10: visit Tulsa maybe a couple months after we had been days,

1037
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 10: and I told her I was like Hey, this is

1038
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 10: the woman that I'm going to marry. And so you know,

1039
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 10: Melody's some years older than me. So she was like, okay,

1040
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 10: well brother, you know, well let's just just let him

1041
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 10: play out.

1042
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 2: Don't take it too fast.

1043
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 10: And she might have thought I was joking, but I

1044
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 10: mean it was about thirteen months from us meetings.

1045
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: Well, you graduated, you were senior sear graduated May.

1046
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 14: I graduated in May, and.

1047
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: Then you gave a little graduation party. Yes.

1048
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 15: Yeah, I had his family over, which I wasn't really

1049
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 15: familiar with his father.

1050
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, even when he told me.

1051
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 15: We were at lunch that first day, he's like, well,

1052
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 15: and so you know, we're telling each other about ourselves,

1053
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 15: my dad and he's the senior pastor of a church

1054
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 15: about fifteen sixteen thousand, and I was like, oh, I

1055
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 15: just interrupted him because I thought he misspoke. I said,

1056
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 15: you mean fifteen or sixteen hundred, and she's like, she do,

1057
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 15: I meant fifty.

1058
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: I was like what, I didn't even.

1059
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 14: Know that was a thing.

1060
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: Then after she was with you, she looked on the internet.

1061
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: Now it's I mean, maybe I don't know. I mean,

1062
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: we had Trio seven fifties.

1063
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how quickly.

1064
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: I got to the internet years ago.

1065
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 15: But but I had them over and I still didn't

1066
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 15: kind of understand what that meant.

1067
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 2: So is this your first time meeting them. Yes, it

1068
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 2: came over to my house.

1069
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 15: I was making lasagna, and I have a friend who understood,

1070
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 15: and she's like, you're going to have them over your house?

1071
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: She's like, no, we got you.

1072
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 15: So she showed up with another friend of mine and

1073
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 15: her daughter. They were in white shirts and black pants,

1074
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 15: and they like served to.

1075
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 14: Get a part of the hospitality team.

1076
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: Wow, I had no idea how goodlasagna?

1077
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 14: Excellent?

1078
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 15: Oh my gosh, I made three kinds.

1079
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 10: I mean like I had the first three or four

1080
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 10: months of our relationship. I was continuously blown away by

1081
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 10: her culinary abilities.

1082
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: Like it was just like wow, Like if not for

1083
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: anything else, I'm going to marry.

1084
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 10: This on Oh my gosh, I said, I'm going to

1085
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 10: eat good.

1086
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 7: So your parents knew that she was divorced and had too,

1087
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 7: Yeah kind of talk talk history that way, you had

1088
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 7: to say early.

1089
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 10: On and so and so they especially when that may

1090
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 10: came around and we had to get together, and so

1091
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 10: they understood that, you know, we were together, and and

1092
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 10: I think they were I think a little taken back

1093
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 10: because she was in a different place in life.

1094
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 14: I mean, not.

1095
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 10: Only was she six seven years older than me, but

1096
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 10: you know, it was divorced with two kids, and so

1097
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 10: they were more so very reticent about what was going on,

1098
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 10: and you know, encouraged me, Okay, well you know, take

1099
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 10: your time with this and and just you know, just

1100
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 10: seek godly wisdom and counsel, you know, and seek the

1101
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 10: Holy Spirit.

1102
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: Yes, and I knew God was in it.

1103
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 14: We knew.

1104
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: And so when was the stern when your dad was like, okay,

1105
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm good with this.

1106
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 14: So we went back to Chicago, and.

1107
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: I think it was we were skipping your mom because

1108
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Speaker 1: she came.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 8: She did come.

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Speaker 2: Her mom came.

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Speaker 15: Well, so she was going to come for She's like,

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Speaker 15: I'm visiting and he's like okay. And then I was like,

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Speaker 15: we were like because we were married.

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Speaker 14: We had just gotten married recently. Yes, I know, they

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Speaker 14: didn't they didn't know.

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Speaker 10: They knew it was on the horizon, but they didn't

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Speaker 10: know that we.

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Speaker 15: Had premarital counseling and everything. And he reached out. He said,

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Speaker 15: I won't marry until speak to your mom at least,

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Speaker 15: so he's to reach. They had a conversation and so

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Speaker 15: just to let her know, we're having permital counseling. You know,

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Speaker 15: we're going through this process, you know, Okay, And so

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Speaker 15: he said, you know, just so you know, things might

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Speaker 15: be different than you.

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Speaker 2: Expect when you come. I think that's what he said.

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Speaker 2: And she said, how long have you been married?

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Speaker 15: So long story short, we were entering I took her

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Speaker 15: into that same kind of encounter, the same women's conference

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Speaker 15: that I'd gone to the year of years before. And

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Speaker 15: as we're walking in the double door, she stopped like abruptly,

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Speaker 15: and I'm behind her, so I'm like, whoa, And she

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Speaker 15: turned around and she goes, I'm so glad you're my

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Speaker 15: daughter in law. And I was like, oh, it was

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Speaker 15: such a good moment for me. I just you know,

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Speaker 15: so that she knew, and she had a really nice

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Speaker 15: response and she was so kind.

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Speaker 10: And then was it maybe like several years later when

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Speaker 10: my dad made the statement, I'll let you tell that story.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 15: So we were taking his mom home from Thanksgiving and

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Speaker 15: she's was telling us the story about how the TV

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Speaker 15: wasn't turning on, and he's like, we did just get

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Speaker 15: a new TV.

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Speaker 1: And she was like hold on.

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Speaker 15: She went to unplug it and plug it back in,

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Speaker 15: and he.

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Speaker 1: Was like so impressed with her, you know, he was like.

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Speaker 15: Wow, I see, that's why we're a good team. We're

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Speaker 15: meant to be together or something like that, like David

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Speaker 15: and Nicky at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: And when she told me that, it was like, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I never heard any me.

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Speaker 15: I mean he literally made us the standard of two

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Speaker 15: people in the marriage that are the right.

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Speaker 1: Of course, and now we're talking about almost what eighteen years, yes,

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Speaker 1: eighteen years.

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Speaker 2: So awesome. Let's talk a little bit about.

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Speaker 1: This for people who are watching, because Nicky, I know

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Speaker 1: you had to go through some of this and Dorothyan

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Speaker 1: know you being divorced that sometimes the church does this

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Speaker 1: sometimes have a place or they'll want to question, well

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Speaker 1: why did you get a divorce or did you have

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Speaker 1: a biblical reason for a divorce, and they'll say God

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Speaker 1: hates divorce. Kind of speak to that if you will.

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Speaker 10: David absolutely, well, you know there is a stigma that happens,

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Speaker 10: you know in churches and in ministry in different areas

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Speaker 10: and so.

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Speaker 1: And we're not for divorce, I mean no, no, right,

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Speaker 1: We're always about trying to heal marriages.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, not at all.

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Speaker 10: But what we have to first understand is that God

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Speaker 10: loves people even more than the union of marriage. God

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Speaker 10: created marriage, right, you know, the world didn't come up

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Speaker 10: with that concept.

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Speaker 14: But He loves people first.

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Speaker 10: He wants people to be whole, He wants people to

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Speaker 10: be well. And sometimes because of sin and the sin condition,

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Speaker 10: we find ourselves in places where some people are hurting

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Speaker 10: other people, there's sin that's being committed, and then because

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Speaker 10: of that sin, it does drive people apart to a

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Speaker 10: place where people are feeling hurt and broken and need

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Speaker 10: to be restored. But a lot of times, even when

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Speaker 10: people point back to the Bible and say, well God

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Speaker 10: hates sin, that term, even even that concept has been

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Speaker 10: misinterpreted if.

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Speaker 14: You look at it theologically.

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Speaker 10: And I know my wife, you know, she speaks about

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Speaker 10: that in her book to help us understand the correct concept.

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Speaker 2: And what is that?

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Speaker 1: What is God's saying when he said God hates divorce?

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Speaker 15: So interestingly, it's not divorce as we know it, or

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Speaker 15: even the word. It's not the word divorce like.

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Speaker 2: We know it.

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Speaker 15: It's in the Hebrew, I believe it's shellac and the

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Speaker 15: Greek in the New Testament is appall luo, and it's

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Speaker 15: the sending away. And it was actually a cultural thing

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Speaker 15: that would happen in Israel and with Hebrews, where men

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Speaker 15: could for any reason.

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Speaker 2: Some of the historical ones.

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Speaker 15: Were like someone went blind in their eye, or they.

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Speaker 2: Burnt the biscuits.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, basically he could walk away from his wife and

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Speaker 15: leave her. It was separation is actually like estranged. Okay,

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Speaker 15: and that is a thing that happened. Samson did it

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Speaker 15: to his Philistine wife in Judges fourteen.

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Speaker 2: You can see it.

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Speaker 15: And so he just walks away and he doesn't give

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Speaker 15: her a certificate of divorce. So anywhere in the entire Bible,

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Speaker 15: from Genesis to Revelation, well it's not in Revelation, so

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Speaker 15: first Corinthians, Romans all the way from Deuteronomy. Okay, if

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Speaker 15: you see the word divorce and it's not coupled with

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Speaker 15: certificate of it does not mean divorce like we know

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Speaker 15: it where you're breaking the covenant. It means the abandonment.

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Speaker 15: So in that word says God hates divorce. That was translated.

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Speaker 15: There are at least eighteen translations that translate it correctly,

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Speaker 15: and it's God hates the sending away.

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Speaker 2: Or the putting away.

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Speaker 1: That was a you know, and I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: our dear friend Jimmy Evans, who's done marriage ministry for

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Speaker 1: forty years, he said, sitting across from couples for years.

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Speaker 1: The Lord began to show him there's four a's, there's

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Speaker 1: a course adultery, that there's abandonment, there's abuse, and there's addiction.

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Speaker 1: And he said, those are all reasons God would never

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Speaker 1: want someone to stay.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you try to work it out, et cetera.

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Speaker 13: But both parties have to work. Yes, he was trying

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Speaker 13: to hold on.

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Speaker 2: Right, but the church will.

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Speaker 1: Many in the Church are very legalistic, and they're just

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Speaker 1: like for adultery, forget a woman that's being abused, or

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Speaker 1: a husband or wife has been abandoned for you know,

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Speaker 1: spiritual physically, emotionally they're literally but that's like spiritual adultery,

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Speaker 1: abandonment is. And so I mean, I know that you've

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Speaker 1: probably spoken to that, but just encourage women and men

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Speaker 1: that are watching dead have been judged and for one

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Speaker 1: of those reasons we talked about by the church.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, and if I'm going to encourage them,

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Speaker 15: I want to encourage them biblically because you know when

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Speaker 15: we're judged, people say, oh, I had people tell me

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Speaker 15: I'm going to help, And I did research and found

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Speaker 15: that it's these people that when Jesus spoke to that

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Speaker 15: in Matthew nineteen, he was talking about.

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Speaker 2: The abandonment of a woman.

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Speaker 15: So the husband's gone, she's still married, and if she

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Speaker 15: is with another man and she remarries, that's when there's adultery.

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Speaker 2: Because she's still married.

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Speaker 15: But throughout the Bible, if it's interpreted properly, if you

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Speaker 15: are divorced with a certificate of divorced, divorce with a

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Speaker 15: broken covenant, then you are unmarried. So Romans Corinthians seven,

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Speaker 15: all of this addresses that if you are unmarried, you

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Speaker 15: are not tied any longer to the husband, and you

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Speaker 15: are able to marry again without adultery.

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Speaker 2: It's a proper interpretation thing.

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Speaker 15: And I do want to say that if that's you,

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Speaker 15: God can heal your heart.

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Speaker 2: God.

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Speaker 15: The Bible doesn't, the original translation doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Say God hates divorce.

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Speaker 15: God hated the abandonment of the woman because at that

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Speaker 15: time it caused her to have to prostitute herself or

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Speaker 15: beg because she didn't have an education, she couldn't make money,

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Speaker 15: so she was on the street, and so that's treating

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Speaker 15: your garment treacherously like we see in Micah. So I'm

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Speaker 15: saying that to say, what God does hate is the

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Speaker 15: sin that surrounds divorce. There's so much pain and there's

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Speaker 15: so much selfishness, and so there's a lot of sins

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Speaker 15: surrounding divorce and God hates that. But he loves you,

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Speaker 15: and he loves you more than a covenant you made

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Speaker 15: with another person, and he cares about your soul and

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Speaker 15: he can absolutely, just like he healed me, he can

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Speaker 15: heal you.

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Speaker 2: He can love you.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen years later, you are leading the church and helping right.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, we're leading things together and helping dead as.

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Speaker 10: He's still the senior pastor, but he's doing a lot

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Speaker 10: of Stolic work. Absolutely, we're a ministry together, helping marriage ministry.

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Speaker 10: She does singles, I'm doing more associate pastor and type

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Speaker 10: two kids.

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Speaker 14: We have four all together. Yeah, so a busy household.

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Speaker 10: But we love serving people and we help We love

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Speaker 10: helping people formulate a strong foundation for this life.

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Speaker 14: In Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: It's so good, so good, And the church is living

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Speaker 1: word Christian Center.

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Speaker 2: Living word Christian center everybody welcomes.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, we specialize in imperfect people.

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Speaker 1: I love that love that all right, Well, we are

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Speaker 1: out of time today, but I want you to remember

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Speaker 1: that no matter your past, no matter the pain, God's

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Speaker 1: love can restore and redeem. If your marriage feels broken

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Speaker 1: or you've walked through divorced, their hope there's healing and

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Speaker 1: it's found through our heavenly Father. If you don't know

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Speaker 1: him today, that's the most important prayer that you could

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Speaker 1: pray is just.

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Speaker 2: Invite Jesus in.

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Speaker 1: Just say, Jesus, come into my heart, forgive me and

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Speaker 1: be Lord and savior of my life. I believe you

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Speaker 1: died on the cross from my sins.

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Speaker 2: Forgive me and be Lord of my life.

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Speaker 1: And Jesus' name, I mean I always say my grandpa

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Speaker 1: just said, God, if you're there.

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Speaker 2: You know how to pray. God.

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Speaker 1: If you're there, that's the most important prayer that you

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Speaker 1: can pray right now because it prepares you for eternity.

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Speaker 1: And if you were to die today, do you know

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Speaker 1: where you would go? Well, I'm just telling you that

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Speaker 1: prayer changes everything. If you're watching today and you pray

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Speaker 1: that prayer, call that number on the screen. We have

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Speaker 2: Gospel of John.

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Speaker 1: That's just our free gift to you as you begin

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Speaker 1: your walk with the Lord. I want to thank David

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Speaker 1: and Nikki for joining us. To find out morey about

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Speaker 1: his ministry, visit David Swinston dot com and to find

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Speaker 1: out about her ministry, visit Nicki Winston dot org.

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