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Speaker 1: Welcome to America's, Mr garbutsch Off. Tear down this wall.

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Speaker 1: Either you're with us where you were with the terrorists.

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Speaker 1: If you've got health care already, then you can keep

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Speaker 1: your plan. If you are satisfied with it is not

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Speaker 1: President of the United States, take a band together. We

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Speaker 1: will make America great again. You'll never sharend It's what

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Speaker 1: you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton with America

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Speaker 1: four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four nine

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Speaker 1: hundred two, eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice, Buck Sexton,

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Speaker 1: Jehad abroad and deep State at home. We have um

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Speaker 1: problems to discuss today, my friends, UH, my fellow patriots,

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Speaker 1: We've got we've got a lot to get into here. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We're still finding out details about what happened in London,

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Speaker 1: about the London Bridge attack. You have people slaughtered on

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Speaker 1: now have the third attacker named. We had already heard

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Speaker 1: about uh Rashid, Reduan and Kuram, but but now Yosef

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Speaker 1: Zagba is the third individual who has been mentioned in

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Speaker 1: that attack that killed seven and wounded uh fifty Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those stories where you you say

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Speaker 1: to yourself, how how can this be? Let me just

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Speaker 1: read to you from the Associated Press here and so Zagba,

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Speaker 1: that much is for sure. Zag But, according to an

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Speaker 1: to be a terrorist, but then quickly corrected himself. Now,

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Speaker 1: I will just ask you, my friends. We all have

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Speaker 1: our off days, we all make mistakes. Not of us

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Speaker 1: are perfect. How many of you have been at the

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Speaker 1: mean I'm going on vacation. I don't think that's ever

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Speaker 1: happened to you. This would it would seem to me

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Speaker 1: and then let him go and they didn't follow him.

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Speaker 1: And now we have people, many people dead, many more

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Speaker 1: wounded in a horrific terrorist attack. We're still finding out

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Speaker 1: details about that attack. And oh there's another one. You

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Speaker 1: may have seen the initial headlines. Police officer attacked outside

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Speaker 1: It would seem in Paris as well, right, But that's

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Speaker 1: not even all of it. In Toronto, this got very

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Speaker 1: What what are we supposed to make of all this? Uh?

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Speaker 1: the the strategy of the left in dealing with jihades

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Speaker 1: And the disinformation tries to stop us from getting there. Right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: the the great evil, This is the great struggle of

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Speaker 1: I understand all of that. But the Russians are not

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Speaker 1: try and push the story that was in the intercept

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Speaker 1: that is being reported to be what you know was

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Speaker 1: released by this woman, are based on the release by

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Speaker 1: this woman who allegedly leaked all this classified information. I

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Speaker 1: think the Comey thing is going to be a big

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Speaker 1: bag of nothing. I tend to agree. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: it looks like he and his people are already intimating

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a big bag and nothing. After

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Speaker 1: pretending anonymously for weeks going back to you know, the

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Speaker 1: silly memo that he wrote proving that Trump obstructed justice. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they're now intimating that, Oh no, actually it's not gonna

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Speaker 1: be that big. He's not gonna let debstruction of just that.

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Speaker 1: He's just gonna say this this, and that. They switched

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Speaker 1: on that shot. I remember talking on this show last week.

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Speaker 1: I was like, this headline that the headlines that are

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Speaker 1: running at places like I think ABC News was, you know,

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Speaker 1: will Comey say that Trump tried to shut down the investigation?

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Speaker 1: Question mark, It's like, well, we don't know that, and

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Speaker 1: how can you report that? And now that it's gotten closer,

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Speaker 1: they already ran the damage, right, They already did the propaganda.

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Speaker 1: Now walking it back doesn't change what they've done to

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Speaker 1: old perception going in correct. It's all a game. It's

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Speaker 1: all a game to these people, and it's a game

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Speaker 1: that's being played by Comy, by pret Mahara, one of

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Speaker 1: his former employees, and buy Benjamin Whitty's one of his

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Speaker 1: uh you know BFFs over at Brookings. Uh. They play

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Speaker 1: this little game in the media. And this is how

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Speaker 1: Jim Comey played. He has played like this since he

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Speaker 1: got in this job, since he got at the highest

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Speaker 1: levels of government. He was playing this game back in

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Speaker 1: two thousand six. In two thousand seven. He is a

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Speaker 1: drama queen and he loves to craft these narratives. Were

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Speaker 1: the only hero, the only person standing up for justice

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Speaker 1: and equality is Jim Comey himself. And quite frankly, I'm

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Speaker 1: tired of it and it's time for this clown to

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Speaker 1: go away. I totally agree with you on that. And

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Speaker 1: I have some friends who are conservatives out there, and

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Speaker 1: you might even know some of the people I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about without me naming them, who still cling to this.

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Speaker 1: You know, Comey is the last honest man in American narrative. Like, uh,

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Speaker 1: what you based on what he did with announcing the

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Speaker 1: fireball offense and really unethical actually because it was done

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Speaker 1: to shield the politicization that had already occurred. It was

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Speaker 1: a joke. One. He made a whole bunch of claims

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Speaker 1: that weren't through. Uh. You know, he invented this new

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Speaker 1: intent standard that wasn't in the law. I mean, did

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Speaker 1: Hillary accidentally set up the server? Mr? Director? You know?

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Speaker 1: Then he comes in and says, no reasonable prosecutor, Uh

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Speaker 1: people say this that no, there's no intent. I actually

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Speaker 1: don't want to live in a country where there's no

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Speaker 1: standard of of thought, there's no Men's raya or or

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Speaker 1: there's no requirement of your state of mind before. But

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Speaker 1: recklessness is in the statute that is with people. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's not intent, and he made that up, but recklessness

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Speaker 1: is in fact covered. And this was recklessness, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. It's not that this was open to interpretation.

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Speaker 1: It's actually even worse. Yes, it was gross negligence, right,

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Speaker 1: g gross negligence? Yeah, yeah, he vince this new standard,

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Speaker 1: and then after inventing this new standard, he proceeds to

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Speaker 1: in a press conference indict the person he just exonerated.

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Speaker 1: Like that is not I don't care how much you

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Speaker 1: dislike Hillary I don't like her one bit. I think

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Speaker 1: she should have been charged. But to go and exonerate

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Speaker 1: someone and then to then slam them immediately because you're

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Speaker 1: obviously trying to have it both ways, that that's not

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Speaker 1: how our justice system is supposed to work. This guy

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Speaker 1: needs to shut up and he needs to go away.

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Speaker 1: He's done enough damage. And as former Push Attorney General

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Speaker 1: Al Gonzalez said of him, and I think goes six

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Speaker 1: or seven. Look, this guy is more loyal to Chuck

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Speaker 1: Schumer than he is to anyone else. This guy has

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Speaker 1: been working hand in hand with Democrats his entire career,

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Speaker 1: and it needs to stop. We're speaking to Sean Davis

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Speaker 1: to the the Federal Sean. Before we let you go, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get your take on the meetings or the

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Speaker 1: meeting that Trump had with GOP leaders today you wrote

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Speaker 1: about this or I'm sorry this is up on political

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Speaker 1: I know that you've got thoughts on this. What do

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Speaker 1: you think about this? This focusing on the agenda with

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Speaker 1: GOP leadership, It feels like for a change. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: about time. I mean that that's he gets so wrapped

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Speaker 1: around the axle he gets you know, he watches cable

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Speaker 1: news and response to and tweets about it. It's long

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Speaker 1: past time for Trump and Republicans to actually do something.

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Speaker 1: So gorgs which was great, pulling out of the Paris

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Speaker 1: Cords was great from a conservative perspective, it's time to

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Speaker 1: them for them to start actually enacting, passing, implementing legal reforms.

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Speaker 1: It is long past time they've been in there for

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Speaker 1: six months, uh to do something already. So I thought

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Speaker 1: it was encouraging, but we'll see what actually comes from it.

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Speaker 1: And just one more thing on infrastructure, getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of talk. We've got air traffic control going through some

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Speaker 1: process of reform, although it's really more of a separation

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, from the air safety aspect from

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Speaker 1: the actual implementation of air traffic day to day. But

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Speaker 1: who knows, right, it's still in process. What are your

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on those two items, both the

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Speaker 1: air traffic control announcement and then just infrastructure spending more broadly. Well,

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Speaker 1: I have to admit I was a little bit disappointed

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Speaker 1: if we're doing something related to air travel, can we

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Speaker 1: please do something about T s A. Please President Trump

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Speaker 1: do something about this awful, awful organization. As far as

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Speaker 1: the infrastructure, I'm sure that whole thing is going to

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Speaker 1: be a boondoggle. In a it will be a bipartisan boondoggle.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see what I have. I know as that

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Speaker 1: have a bit of a concern with this administration when

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Speaker 1: it comes to conflating law and order with the statism

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Speaker 1: that can come out of national security goals. Right, So

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Speaker 1: I worry, for example, that they will say, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: to make the t s A like the biggest bad

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Speaker 1: civil liberties, libertarian issues that I feel like don't get

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Speaker 1: enough attention with this administration because they want to be

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Speaker 1: thought of his very law and order. Oh I think that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's totally fair and you should always be

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Speaker 1: wary when people start doing anything and everything under the

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Speaker 1: rubric of national security, Like clearly that should be something

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Speaker 1: we're concerned about, but not everything is connected to it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: My beef with with T s A is that it

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Speaker 1: right now seems to have a little to do with

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Speaker 1: national security and a lot more to do with growthing grammars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: whenever I say, I would like to remind people that

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Speaker 1: whenever a politician says they're doing something for for national

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Speaker 1: security or for the children, you should just be skeptical.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean they're lying, but you should be skeptical. Sean

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Speaker 1: Davis everybody of the Federalists checkout is latest on the

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Speaker 1: is a great follow. Thank you sir for joining us

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Speaker 1: straight to have you my pleasure. Thank you Buck team.

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot more show coming, be right back.

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Speaker 1: I remember when we were in the midst of the

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Speaker 1: saying that the rhetoric that they were using, and I

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Speaker 1: remember being at being at walking Through and seeing some

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Speaker 1: there were incidents where it was really more riot than protest,

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Speaker 1: but I remember seeing the the signs, the placards, reading

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Speaker 1: them and hearing the rhetoric about racist murdering cops and

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Speaker 1: cops hunting young black men and and indicating that it

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Speaker 1: was done for sport or out of racism, and just

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Speaker 1: the worst kind of invective. And then in front of

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Speaker 1: the TV cameras most of the time, or you know,

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Speaker 1: we would have some spokesperson for Black Lives Matter who

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Speaker 1: would say that we don't in any way condone violence

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Speaker 1: against police, and we would never say that the police

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Speaker 1: are all bad. We're just saying we're just trying to

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Speaker 1: raise awareness about black lives And there was there was

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Speaker 1: a fundamental dishonesty there. I saw it myself. I heard

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Speaker 1: it myself, so I don't really In fact, I I

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Speaker 1: debated Van Jones on this issue after one of those

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Speaker 1: incidents where a cop was murdered by somebody who believed

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Speaker 1: that he was acting on at least the the ethos

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Speaker 1: the inspiration of the Black Lives Matter movement. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I think I handily defeated Mr Jones in that debate

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Speaker 1: on CNN. Maybe we'll have to post that on buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton dot com um just as a little reminder, but

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Speaker 1: the point being that the environment of hateful rhetoric can

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Speaker 1: have ramifications. They say this all the time. Uh they overstated.

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Speaker 1: I think about is when it comes to Islamophobia. So

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Speaker 1: so they will say, on the one hand, they being

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Speaker 1: the left and the Democrats, that talking about Islamic terrorism

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Speaker 1: or Islamic radicalism is going to lead to violence, and

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Speaker 1: I say, well that's no, that's too much. If people

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Speaker 1: to be Muslim is to be wrong or to be evil,

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Speaker 1: well yeah, that that does create a hostile climate, uh,

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Speaker 1: in an environment where people may act out violently. But

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Speaker 1: speaking about it responsibly and saying that this is a

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Speaker 1: problem that comes from within Islam is just speaking the truth.

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Speaker 1: That's not being reckless. And I don't think in any

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Speaker 1: way is that condoning or or um provoking violence against individuals.

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Speaker 1: But as we know with the Black Lives Matter movement,

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Speaker 1: that philosophy of police are killing young black men, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, it is also a lie. It's not

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Speaker 1: true in the way that it's presented, meaning that there's

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Speaker 1: a disproportionate, uh disproportionate number based upon criminal stops of

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Speaker 1: young black men who are killed comparatively. In fact, the

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Speaker 1: studies have shown that young black men are less likely

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Speaker 1: than non black men during a police stop to be

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Speaker 1: involved in a fatal shooting with the officer, regardless of

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Speaker 1: the race of the officer. But that's perhaps more detailed

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Speaker 1: discussion that we can have another time. Why am I

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Speaker 1: bringing this up now? I'm talking about Black Lives matter

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Speaker 1: in the climate of hate against police. The climate of

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Speaker 1: hate that the media has created around President Trump does

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Speaker 1: have consequences. Meaning the media always insinuating and suggesting that

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Speaker 1: the President is a traitor, which they have have asked

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Speaker 1: openly on TV at least in question for him as

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Speaker 1: as a smear, right as a veiled smear, or not

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Speaker 1: even really that veiled. But they have been suggesting that

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Speaker 1: there's something so rotten at this administration, that the president

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Speaker 1: is illegitimate, and that he would betray his country. That

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Speaker 1: has consequences as well. And I think that there are

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Speaker 1: people who are impressionable, who are millennials, who are younger,

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Speaker 1: who will act out as we saw with this contractor

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Speaker 1: who allegedly gave classified information to the press to again

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Speaker 1: and reportedly not confirmed hurt President Trump. We will see

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Speaker 1: people who will act out and the perverse and sad

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Speaker 1: reality of it is that they think they're being patriotic

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Speaker 1: because the media has convinced them, has brainwashed them into

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Speaker 1: thinking that this administration is illegitimate, a Russian puppet, and

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Speaker 1: is evil and cannot be allowed to continue and must

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Speaker 1: be thrown out of office and Trump must go to prison.

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Speaker 1: That reinforcement of that message is going to have I'm

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Speaker 1: very concerned about this because it's yes, there's these deep

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Speaker 1: state elements, but there are young people out there. There

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Speaker 1: are people of all kinds out there who are impressionable,

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Speaker 1: and they are being brainwashed by the media against this

647
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Speaker 1: administration in in a manner that is dangerous. It is dangerous.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna hit a break. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: He spreads freedom, because freedom is not gonna at itself.

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Speaker 1: Bug Sexton is back. Welcome back, everybody. We know the

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Speaker 1: President has been talking about infrastructure for quite a while,

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Speaker 1: and there's this one trillion dollar infrastructure initiative that's being raised. Now, well,

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Speaker 1: what would this look like? Is it a good idea?

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Speaker 1: Is it possible to help us answer those questions? We

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Speaker 1: have Professor Richard Epstein on the line. He is a

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Speaker 1: professor of Law at m y U School of Law.

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Speaker 1: He's a senior fellow at the Hoover Hoover Institution, and

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Speaker 1: his books include The Classical Liberal Constitution and Design for Liberty,

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Speaker 1: Private Property, Public Administration, and the Rule of Law. All right,

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Speaker 1: Professor Epstein, thank you, sir. So let's talk about infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Sir Trump is saying he wants to spend a trillion

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Speaker 1: dollars on it. You say, what, as a as an

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Speaker 1: in principle, is a good idea? Well, the question is yes,

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Speaker 1: this certainly is a need for expenditure on infrastructure. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the ratio of budgets and states and

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Speaker 1: in the federal government, there's one that's very instructive. The

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Speaker 1: amount on infrastructure is way down. The amount on transfer

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Speaker 1: payments is way up. Infrastructure should create capital assets, which

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Speaker 1: means that the money you spent today has value in

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Speaker 1: the future periods. Transfer payments tend not to. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: you certainly need to spend more in infrastructure. But the

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Speaker 1: most important question is how much of a bank do

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Speaker 1: you get for your bucket on this? I think there

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Speaker 1: are two things that really have to be done. You

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Speaker 1: can waste money on infrastructure the way you could waste

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Speaker 1: it on anything else. And if you look at the

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Speaker 1: stimulus Bill from two thousand and nine, the first thing

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Speaker 1: they did was to make sure to protect the position

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Speaker 1: of labor unions when it came to construction on these

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Speaker 1: infrastructure projects. That's a terrible mistake. Labor contracts should be

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Speaker 1: put out a competitive bid and that could probably lower

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Speaker 1: their costs to a guess by twenty to um. There's

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Speaker 1: no reason whatsoever to use an infrastructure programs that the

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Speaker 1: skis transfer program of wealth to one preferred sector of

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Speaker 1: the economy, and they should be open bids and the

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Speaker 1: low bidders kind quality constant is the one who ought

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Speaker 1: to get the job. And the Democrats will fiercely fight that.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's a time to reverse the national

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Speaker 1: policy which has been in place since nineteen thirty one

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Speaker 1: when they passed to Davis Bacon Act. The second major

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Speaker 1: problem that you have to have is the permitting system.

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Speaker 1: Uh I would say that as a sensible estimate, the

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Speaker 1: entire permit process today probably con leinth in the time

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Speaker 1: of construction projects by three or four fold, while doing

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Speaker 1: nothing to improve their quality, and in fact, while creating

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Speaker 1: other dislocations in other areas as you have to disrupt

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Speaker 1: the landscape in order to put these things into place.

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Speaker 1: What one needs to do is to undo the neeper

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Speaker 1: program the National Environmental Policy Act, which requires an elaborate

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Speaker 1: set of permits to be given before any work can

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Speaker 1: be done. And these can take years to do it

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Speaker 1: because it's the slow permit that the terms the pace

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Speaker 1: of the project. So if you need twenty and you

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Speaker 1: have nineteen, you're still a way back. The older system

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Speaker 1: was much better. And if you get rid of this

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Speaker 1: crazy permit system, and would you announced is you start

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Speaker 1: building almost immediately. If it turns out you deviate from

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Speaker 1: specifications that will give you or create a peril, will

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Speaker 1: shut you down and find you. And the difference in

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Speaker 1: the two approaches at just the normous so that when

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Speaker 1: they had to rebuild several years ago to Santa Monica Freeway,

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Speaker 1: it was such an important project that what they did

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Speaker 1: is they waived all the standard permits. And what they

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Speaker 1: did is they put the companies on a basically an

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Speaker 1: incentive contract. This is your fixed fee. If you're late,

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Speaker 1: you pay us something back, and if you're early, well

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Speaker 1: give you something extra. And instead of taking five years,

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Speaker 1: the project took about scream months. Where are the first

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Speaker 1: places that this money should go? We're talking about a

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars and and even in this era of massive government,

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Speaker 1: spending a trillion with a t gets people's attention. It's

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, so should I mean, what you

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Speaker 1: do is you try to figure out the areas in

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Speaker 1: which the h on an objective basis, if you can

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Speaker 1: do this, where is they're the greatest bottlenext where they're

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Speaker 1: the greatest physical damages. You don't want to be repairing

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Speaker 1: roads in rural West Virginia if it turns out you

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Speaker 1: have serious crumbling infrastructure on the New York and New

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Speaker 1: Jersey bridges, so you'd want to intensify it things I

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Speaker 1: live in New York. I'm pretty sure we do. But yes,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, sir. Yeah, I mean, so you know, you

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Speaker 1: want to basically get it to the places where the

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Speaker 1: dereliction has been the worst and try to fix it up.

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Speaker 1: But the point is it's not just getting the money

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Speaker 1: in the right place, it's spending it insensible fashion. And

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Speaker 1: the two reforms that I've talked about having to do

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Speaker 1: with the situation on labor markets and on permits. If

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Speaker 1: you put them both into place in the sensible fashion,

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Speaker 1: you'd probably cut the cost of new construction. By this

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Speaker 1: gives you an idea just how much bloat there is

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Speaker 1: in time to system because all of these things that

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Speaker 1: put in place separately, every reason that won't make that

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Speaker 1: bigger difference if we do this or if we do that,

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Speaker 1: but when you combine them all on one project, it's

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Speaker 1: a way. So think of it this way. If you

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Speaker 1: reform the project, you can essentially double the total amount

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Speaker 1: of infrastructure or more that you create with the dollars.

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Speaker 1: And so who's in charge of that reform? How how

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Speaker 1: would that work? I mean, if I could get you

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Speaker 1: in the Oval Office with President Trump and whomever his

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Speaker 1: top advisors will be on this project. And again assuming

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Speaker 1: they go forward with this and the Congress is on board,

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Speaker 1: but you're talking about the implementation, what would the steps

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Speaker 1: have to be in order to get the cost savings

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Speaker 1: and efficiency you're talking about so that people listening actually

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Speaker 1: get their bridges fixed, actually have the roads improved. Was

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Speaker 1: on the lay beside. You put it out to competitive bids,

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Speaker 1: and you let anybody bid, whether or not in union,

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Speaker 1: and so that means you have to repeal that Davis

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Speaker 1: Bacon Act and the Democrats will freak out at that right,

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Speaker 1: just so everybody. But it turns out that's in all

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Speaker 1: of these cases. There may be some waiver provisions that

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Speaker 1: could be introduced selectively at the executive level, just as

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Speaker 1: they were with respect to the Santa Monica Freeway and

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Speaker 1: with respect to the permit system. What you need to

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Speaker 1: do is to waive them systematically and go to a

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Speaker 1: regime which says, yes, we're always worried about environmental homes,

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Speaker 1: but instead of worrying about a thousand things that don't happen,

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Speaker 1: will start construction in them when something looks as though

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00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: it might be bad and happen at that point will

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Speaker 1: require you to fix the damage with the slowdown the work.

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Speaker 1: And believe me, as with the Santa Monica Freeway, nobody

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Speaker 1: who puts a huge amount of money into these projects

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Speaker 1: is gonna try and essentially um play fancy Dan and

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Speaker 1: escape these kinds of environmental protections by saving a few

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Speaker 1: dollars here or there. You run the inspections, You allow

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Speaker 1: private groups to monitor the behavior from a distance so

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Speaker 1: as to see whether or not there's been flooding somewhere else,

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00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: and you can certainly do it. So there is a

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Speaker 1: real problem here is there always is as to how

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Speaker 1: much of this can be done executive and how much

782
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Speaker 1: it requires legislative assistance. My guess is you could do

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Speaker 1: a fair amount of it if you're going to use

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Speaker 1: the wave and stuff. There's a kind of an irony

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Speaker 1: here because the Obama administration was very big on waivers,

786
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Speaker 1: often for the wrong people in the wrong purpose, and

787
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: now the same technique could be used by the right

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Speaker 1: people for the right purpose. Remember, the purpose of public

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Speaker 1: infrastructure improvement is to improve infrastructure. It's not to give

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Speaker 1: supercompetitive rates to environmental um um basically environmental forces that

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Speaker 1: want to slow these things down, or to give premium

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Speaker 1: wages to various kinds of union forces. And these are

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Speaker 1: reform which have completely altered the landscape. Say from the

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Speaker 1: time that we had the great um infrastructure in the

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Speaker 1: state interstate Highway program under Eisenhower, Professor, one more for you.

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Speaker 1: I just want to ask, given President Trump's background in

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Speaker 1: dealing with construction and dealing with unions in the process

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Speaker 1: of construction, Uh, do you do you think that he

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Speaker 1: has a particular background that's applicable here and pushing this forward,

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Speaker 1: and do you think it's really possible to get this done. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's possible to get it done. I think

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Speaker 1: the thing to understand is Trump may be familiar with

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Speaker 1: the problems. What he's not familiar with is our government

804
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Speaker 1: bureaucrats operate. Uh. The way in which business works in

805
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: the private sector is very different from what it is

806
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Speaker 1: in the public sector. In the private sector, you can

807
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: actually fire people. In the public sector, you have to

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Speaker 1: negotiate with them. And I think he's much better at

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Speaker 1: the first than he is at the latter. So he's

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Speaker 1: going to have to get some very experienced hands who

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Speaker 1: can tell him the way in which this thing to

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Speaker 1: be done. But there's no doubt this is not rocket science.

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Speaker 1: If you simply undo the so called reforms that took

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Speaker 1: place in the thirties on labor and in the late

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Speaker 1: sixties and early seventies on environmental permitting, you could go

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Speaker 1: a long way to getting things right. Professor Richard Epstein

817
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Speaker 1: of n y U Law School and a senior fellow

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Speaker 1: at the Hoover Institution, Sir, I really appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing your expertise. Oh my pleasure. You know,

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Speaker 1: team I look at what's going on right now between

821
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Speaker 1: I know this is somewhat up on a side, but

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Speaker 1: between the Mayor of London and Donald Trump and this

823
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: this little few that the media's continuing to fan here,

824
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: there's such more, there's so much more important issues that

825
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: should be tackled right now, and we should have such

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Speaker 1: a a unified focus on combating terrorism, as Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: Theresa May says, the virulent Islamist ideology of terrorism. We

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Speaker 1: should have a focus on that. And the fact that

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Speaker 1: the London mayor is suggests publicly calling off the leader

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Speaker 1: of the free world, which, whether you love him or not,

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Speaker 1: that's what Donald Trump is. That the Mayor of London

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Speaker 1: suggests calling off a state visit to Written is just uh,

833
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: it's not helpful. It makes it makes him look petty.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that Trump, you know, referred to the

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Speaker 1: mayor's comments initially, and there's some back and forth as

836
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Speaker 1: to whether he was really understanding the full context of

837
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Speaker 1: the tweet. I don't think that this is you know,

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Speaker 1: that this is not where our energy should be. So

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Speaker 1: I find it frustrating. Um and the US UK relationship

840
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: on counter terrorism is as important as any we have

841
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: in the world. So this just to me, it's like

842
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: tabloid headlines that are crowding out much more important discussions

843
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: about what's what's going on here. I mean, I can't

844
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Speaker 1: believe this, This mayor is picking a fight with the

845
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Speaker 1: President of the United States. But I guess it's kind

846
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: of like that movie What Is It Love Actually, where

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00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: that's that's the Prime Minister of the UK played by

848
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: Hugh Grant. But the big scene in that movie is

849
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: where the Prime Minister of the UK uh gives a

850
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: verbal thrashing of sorts to the hick cowboy president of

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00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: the United States. And it's just I don't know if

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00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: this is some sort of weird leftist UK fantasy they're

853
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: playing out there, but it was nonsense. And this mayor

854
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: he needn't just focus on his city and and working

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00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: with the kind of terrorism authorities there and and just

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00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't get into it with the leader

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Speaker 1: of the free world. Not, in my opinion, not a

858
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Speaker 1: worthwhile endeavor, not a good idea, not helpful, not constructive,

859
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: and not what he should be doing. So anyway, um,

860
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, it is the anniversary of D Day today,

861
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: my friends, we're gonna talk about that right after the break.

862
00:48:34,880 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: I'll be right back. The United Nations have made their

863
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: first landings on the soil of Western Europe. Another of

864
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: the great decisive battles of world history has been joined.

865
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: This is the day for which three people long have waited.

866
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: This is D Day. Seventy three years ago today, June six,

867
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: the US and its allies crossed the English Channel and

868
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: landed on the beaches of northern France in Normandy. And

869
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: it was the beginning of the liberation of Western Europe

870
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: from the totalitarianism of Nazi Germany. UM, many of you

871
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: know the history of D Day itself quite well. I'm

872
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: sure General Eisenhower, Supreme Allied Commander, gave the gave the

873
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: thumbs up for Operation Overlord the day before, on June five,

874
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: forty four. And you had an immense force, I mean,

875
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: the largest amphibious operation, amphibious landing in all of military history.

876
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: A hundred and seventy six thousand troops left England to

877
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: arrive in northern France and take on the Nazi menace.

878
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: UM by dawn, this from history dot Com. On June six,

879
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: eight thousand parachutists were already on the ground. The land

880
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: invasions began at six thirty a m. The British and

881
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: Canadians overcame light opposition to capture Gold, Juno and Sword Beaches,

882
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: so did the Americans at Utah. Things were a lot

883
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: harder at Omaha Beach. Two thousand troops were lost and

884
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: it required incredibly difficult fighting from the allied side to

885
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: achieve the objective that day. At the end, a hundred

886
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: fifty thousand troops American, Americans, Brits and Canadians had taken

887
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: the beaches of Normandy and Quote. So this was one

888
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: of the most famous military operations in all US history,

889
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: and really one of the most famous military operations in

890
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: in world history. Interestingly enough, that the Nazi plan had

891
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: been to be able to smash the Soviet war machine

892
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: on the Eastern Front and then turned around and crush

893
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: crushed the Americans and their allies on the Western Front.

894
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 1: But the Eastern Front was much more difficult. In fact,

895
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: it was disastrous for the Nazis, most notably at the

896
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: Battle of Stalingrad, where the German losses were were tremendous.

897
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they just had appalling losses on the Eastern Front,

898
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: and the primary might of the Nazi war machine was

899
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: thrown against the Soviets on the Eastern front um and

900
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: then it was a much depleted German military Nazi military

901
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: machine that was faced on the Western Front, but still

902
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: enough that the fighting was very difficult in brutal and.

903
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: And then of course there was the Ardenne, the offensive

904
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: through the Ardenne to try and at the Battle of

905
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: the Bulge, try and shift the balance of the war

906
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: in favor of the Nazis after the landings. But I

907
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: think that a moment to remember D Day, especially for

908
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: my generation millennials, although I'm kind of an old millennial,

909
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: is worth it right now for a number of reasons.

910
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: Of course, you just have the solemn duty to remember

911
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: the sacrifices of those who were lost and wounded that day,

912
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: and also the celebration of the courage of those all

913
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: of those who fought at Normandy, and including our British

914
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: and Canadian brothers in arms. Uh. But we now are

915
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: so stuck in this hyperpartisan and hyper politicized atmosphere, where

916
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: that sense of a unity of purpose that existed on

917
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: the beaches of Normandy, where it really was a truly

918
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: American fight against a great evil, an odious and vile

919
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: empire of Nazi Germany. We should remind ourselves, not just

920
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: of course, of the courage of those at Normandy and

921
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: that generations. Still to this day we have members of

922
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: the U. S. Armed Forces that you can you can

923
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: thank in person for this. My grandfather fought in the

924
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: Pacific Theater and the Navy on the U. S. S. Batan,

925
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: But the UH, those who fought that day UH in Normandy,

926
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: are a reminder, I think, to all of us of

927
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: what is good and what is great about America and

928
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: our our patriotism when faced with mortal enemy should always

929
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: be what what unites us and brings us together. We

930
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: do not seem to have the same sense of of

931
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: unity when it comes to facing down jihadism and radical

932
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: Islam in all of its forms around the world, and

933
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: I find that troubling. I think that we have unfortunately

934
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: been divided in such a way politically that the great

935
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: challenge of our time, which is defeating the regressive and

936
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: authoritarian UH impulses of Islamism and jihadi is m that's

937
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: not an endeavor in which we find ourselves as Americans

938
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: entirely united. In fact, there are a lot of Americans

939
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of those in our allied

940
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: countries who seem to think that a better approaches to

941
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: explain away or even downplay the threat, or claim that

942
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: we are the cause of this somehow, that jihadism is

943
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: a response to American actions and activities. I find that

944
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: uh to be completely wrongheaded and it's discouraging. And I

945
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: think that taking a moment today to remember the brave

946
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: men who landed at Normandy and fought back at a

947
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: at a global menace and an ideology that saw world

948
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: domination and was on the prep precipice of achieving just that. Um,

949
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: that it is possible when we are all united in

950
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: in love and sacrifice for this country to achieve great things,

951
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: and we are a force for good in the world.

952
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: We are the greatest force for good in the world.

953
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: And I believe that d Day and what occurred on

954
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: that day is a reminder of that. So I just

955
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: wanted to a com minute to thank all of those

956
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: who served, remember them, remember their families, and remind all

957
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: of us that we still have that in us. UM,

958
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: we still have that sense of of love of country

959
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: and patriotism, and that America is on the side of

960
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: good in the constant fight between good and evil. I'm

961
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna hit a break here, team will be back in

962
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: just a few Stay with always remember that on the

963
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: left there is a game plan, especially on on social issues,

964
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: social justice issues, And if you look back, you can

965
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: see how this is played out on a whole variety

966
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: of topics in the last couple of decades. But it

967
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: starts with tolerance, and then it goes to acceptance, and

968
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: then it goes to celebration, and it ends in submission.

969
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: So tolerance, for example, would be when we're talking about

970
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: transgender rights, tolerance would be treat people with transgender who

971
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: are transgender as though they are no different from anybody else.

972
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: They should have all the full rights and and should

973
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: be treated with dignity and and people sure tolerance, they'll

974
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: they'll go along with that because that is the ethical thing,

975
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: that's the right thing to do. But then there's the

976
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: acceptance level, and acceptance turns into well, you really shouldn't

977
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: criticize this, you shouldn't view this as different, You shouldn't

978
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: decide that there is any question that should be asked

979
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: about whether this is healthy or good for the person.

980
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: You should just accept it. Right, Remember, tolerance is just

981
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: don't bother the person and treat them as a as

982
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: a Tolerance is fine, everyone should be tolerant of everybody else.

983
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: But tolerance is the first step in the progressive In

984
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: the progressive Uh, well, I was gonna say, in the

985
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: progressive continuum um of how they get to the end

986
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: state on a social justice issue where all of a

987
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: sudden you're living in some alternate reality. But so they

988
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: start with tolerance, and that becomes a mantra, right, you

989
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 1: you have to be tolerant, and a lot of people

990
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: will go along and say, okay, I can be tolered.

991
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: But then acceptance is the level beyond that. Acceptances, Well,

992
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: you shouldn't criticize, you shouldn't question, and if you do,

993
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with you. You know. You can't say

994
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: that transgender individuals maybe should seek therapy counseling. They should

995
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: just have the operation that they want, or they should

996
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: be able to choose the pronoun that they want, and

997
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: no one should be able to question that. Once there

998
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: is enough of a critical mass of people who want acceptance,

999
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: or rather who who declare that they are part of

1000
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: the movement of acceptance, then it turns into celebration. Celebration

1001
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: is no longer. Is this something that should be beyond criticism.

1002
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: That's acceptance, celebration is this is fantastic, this is great.

1003
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: Let's have news articles, let's have uh stories run about

1004
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: what a wonderful thing this is. You know, transgender children,

1005
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: for example, recently has received this treatment in the media.

1006
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just that they should be treated

1007
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: as people that need help and love and support like

1008
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: everybody else. That's tolerance. It's not just don't criticize or

1009
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: question this this you know you should accept this. That's acceptance,

1010
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: it's celebration. It's this is great. We should be so

1011
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: happy about this. We should all be thrilled that there

1012
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: are transgender teams running around now demanding to be called

1013
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: different pronouns. And and then eventually you get to submission

1014
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: after celebration, because submission is what happens when you don't celebrate.

1015
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: Submission is you better say this is great, or else

1016
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: you better tell people that you support this wholeheartedly, or

1017
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: else there will be consequences. So it goes tolerance, acceptance, celebrations, submission,

1018
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: and on transgender rights in this country, we are we

1019
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: are basically at the submission phase of the progressive continuum.

1020
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: Here case in point trans This is a story on

1021
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: the Blaze dot com. My old friends and family at

1022
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: the Blaze writing this one uh transgender freshman sprinter born

1023
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: a male wins two girls state championships. They write that

1024
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: this piece is about Andrea Yearwood, who was born Andrea Yearwood,

1025
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: who's a freshman and just one the girls one and

1026
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: two hundred meter dashes at the Connecticut state championships. So

1027
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: you know there are these, There are news stories, local

1028
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: news stories of out what a great accomplishment. I mean,

1029
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: a freshman winning state championships in the hundred and the

1030
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: two dash. That is really impressive, isn't it? Except Andrea

1031
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: Yearwood is anatomically male, entirely anatomically male, There's no question

1032
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: about that. Biologically speaking, Andrea Yearwood is a young man.

1033
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: But Andrea year would identifies as female. And so we are,

1034
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: like I said, we're beyond tolerance, We're beyond acceptance. We're

1035
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: in fact, even although the media is doing celebration of this,

1036
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: we are approaching the submission phase where you better say

1037
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: that this is great, not even just except that this

1038
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: is the way it's going to be. You better sit

1039
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: there and clap and be happy for a high school

1040
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: student who's a guy who's running against girls, And just

1041
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: to give you a sense of the difference in the

1042
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: competitive landscape there. And I know there's also oh it's

1043
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: like I'm just sitting here being a spokesperson for the

1044
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: patriarchy or something. But uh, this Andreas time would have

1045
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: been slower than would have been slower than the slowest

1046
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: male competitor in the same track meet. So the the

1047
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: champion in the hundred and two hundred sprints among the

1048
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: female competitors is slower than every single one of the guys.

1049
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: This is entirely I'm sure unsurprising to all of you,

1050
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: but this is the reality. Uh. And the news stories

1051
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: on this are you know, it chose the parents, and

1052
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: there are these interviews and there's discussions about how it's

1053
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: just great that Andrea Yearwood has become Andrea Yearwood. I

1054
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: won't even get too far into the whole aspect of

1055
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: this that deals with whether a person of of this age,

1056
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old or a sixteen year old um

1057
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: should be encouraged in this transgender status. I just want

1058
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: to focus on what do we tell the girls in

1059
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: the track meet, the the the anatomically, the the genetically

1060
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: female participants in this race. So one of them was

1061
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: was interviewed in this well was mentioned, i should say,

1062
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: in this Plaze article and was really upset. I think

1063
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: she has every right to be really upset. She should

1064
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 1: be a state champion and instead she's not. And she's

1065
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: not because somebody who has a clear physical genetic advantage

1066
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: competed against girls. I'm sorry that the left has lost

1067
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: its mind. This is not okay, and we've finally started

1068
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: to see I think more of a consensus building that,

1069
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: for example, in combative sports boxing mixed martial arts, for

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Speaker 1: a man to compete against women is just horrific. It's

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Speaker 1: it's a form of abuse. Actually, it's wrong. Um, and

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Speaker 1: they're there there there's a line that that some are

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01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: willing to draw, but the progressives push back on that too.

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Speaker 1: But what do we tell What do we tell these

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Speaker 1: young girls who ran and and trained for years and

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01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: this could have been a really special moment for certainly

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Speaker 1: the second and third place finishers, you know, I mean

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01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: that the second place finisher. I'm sure it's furious, I

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01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: would be what do we tell them? Sorry, social justice,

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Speaker 1: Trump's all your hard work. Sorry, the progressive left has

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Speaker 1: an agenda. That's what the media is doing. It's really

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Speaker 1: a disgrace. I'll be back team Team. I know we've

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about terrorism today and national security issues,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to return to some of the latest

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Speaker 1: on the investigation into the horrific suicide bombing in Manchester

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01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: at that Ariana Grande concert. Well, we've known for a

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01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: while that Salmon Abetty it was the was the suicide bomber,

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01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: but we're finding out more information about him, and I

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01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: think that this is worth spending some time on because

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Speaker 1: it tells us about the different kinds of jee hottest

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Speaker 1: threats that are currently faced by the UK and certainly

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Speaker 1: we face here in America as well. Here's what the

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01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: Telegraph in the UK writes. This is just from this week.

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Speaker 1: The Manchester bomber is suspected of being remote controlled by

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01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: an isole terror group behind the Paris and Brussels attacks.

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Speaker 1: Libyan security sources have told the Telegraph Salmon Abetty is

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01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: understood to have made calls to two mobile phone numbers

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Speaker 1: based in Libya which were not registered to his family,

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Speaker 1: moments before the massacre that killed twenty two people. He

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01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: called to Libyan men right before the attacks of the

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01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: source in Libya. He is being investigated by Libyan authorities

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01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: over fears he was remote controlled by virtual plotters in

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01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: the country who coached and goaded him into carrying out

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Speaker 1: the atrocity. Now, uh, this is a a variation on

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Speaker 1: what we've seen before in these terrorists, these ISIS inspired

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01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: terror attacks, because there's really a few different levels of this, right,

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Speaker 1: there are different different versions of how isis well, how

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Speaker 1: ISIS is involved in terrorism around the world. Um, there

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01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: are lone wolves, people who radicalize based on what they

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Speaker 1: read online or what they hear at a mosque or

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01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: from friends. But that is just a process, a process

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01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: of self radicalization based on access to information. There are

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01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: outside in plots, are outside directed plots where say someone

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01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: goes and joins the Islamic State and then they are

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01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: trained in explosives, weapons, document foragery, whatever the terrorist trade

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01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: craft is that they pick up, and then they are

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01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: assigned to go and attack back in their home country,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the UK or France. But those are actually

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Speaker 1: trained ISIS agents. And then there's another level as well,

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Speaker 1: and this is being referred to these days as remote

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Speaker 1: control attacks. Or you could refer these also as either inspired,

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Speaker 1: enabled or directed. So enabled is under the remote controlled category.

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Speaker 1: So you're seeing more of these, more of these happening.

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Speaker 1: It's where there's communication, right, this is remote controlled or

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Speaker 1: enabled attacks. There is a communication with the group that

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Speaker 1: tries to help them as they go forward. The Times

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: actually had a pretty interesting right up on this a

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01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: while ago. They said that on these attacks where there's

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01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: assistance right where they are enabled, ISIS enables them. They're

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01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: involved with quote virtual coaches who are providing guidance and

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01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: encouragement throughout the process from radicalization to recruitment into a

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Speaker 1: specific plot um. If you look at the communication between

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01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: the attackers and the virtual plotters, you will see that

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01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: there is a direct line of communication to the point

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01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: where they're egging them on minutes even seconds before the

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01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: individual carries out an attack. So this is an increasingly

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01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: prominent form of ISIS ISIS terrorists act And as we

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01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: look more at a Betty who traveled to Libya, it

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01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: seems like he was in contact with a group there

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: and this is also, according to the New York Times,

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: called Katibat al Batar al Libby, which is an Islamic

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01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: state unit that used to be in Syria, but then

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01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: it dispersed back to Libya, and it's made up of

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01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: of Libyans who had gone to Syria to be a

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01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: part of that war, and then they returned. They returned

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01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: to Libya and became a place where once they were

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01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: in Libya and they had ensconced themselves in the midst

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01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: of that failed state, which I should note as a

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01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: failed state because of the decision by Hillary Clinton and

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01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: Barack Obama to intervene their topp of a dictator and

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01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: have no plan for anything that would come afterwards. But

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01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: this group uh Katiba al bat Alibi became a place

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01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: where French and Belgian foreign fighters in particular would congregate.

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01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: So you'd have Frenchmen in Belgians who would show up

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01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: in in Libya, and then they were trained for external attacks,

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01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: for external plotting, and it is believed that a Betty

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: would uh. A Betty went there. Remember his parents were

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01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: Libby and his father, as reportedly was a member of

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01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: the l i f G, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group

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01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: which has previous time. So a Betty goes two met

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01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: up with this group and they then probably helped him.

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 1: Is what we can see here they were part of

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01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: the whole process of getting him to pick out a

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01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: target of how to build the bombs. Much of what

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01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: happened in this attack could have been directly part of

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01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: the plotting process in Libya. A security source told The Telegraph,

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: the UK paper, that a Betty made five calls before

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01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: setting off that explosion, after this is what, this is

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01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: what the right after calling his parents separately and speaking

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01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: to his brothers his or his brother hash him. His

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01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: final calls were to two Libyan men who the police

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01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 1: are understood to be urgently investigating over whether they're suspected,

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01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: whether they're uh suspected links to the Albatar terror cell

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01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: are real, the suspicions that these guys were also part

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01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: of the plot and either knew about it beforehand or

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01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: actively encouraging a Betty to carry out the attack. So

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Speaker 1: here you would have a circumstance where an individual had

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01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: traveled to Libya had met with this group that that

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01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: is known by the way for the specific tactic of

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01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: of training people on assault on on assault techniques using

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01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 1: a K forty seven and strapping on a suicide vest,

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01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: and the idea being that when they would finish in

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01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: the assault when they could no longer fight anymore, then

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01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: they would hit Uh, they would hit the detonator on

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: the suicide vest. And that's so they have this reputation

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01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: um for tactics that would have been well at least

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: in the suicide vest category. Obviously similar to a betty,

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01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: but also this unit in Libya, the kat al Batar

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01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 1: A Libby Oliby just means the you know Libby is

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Speaker 1: Libya in this Uh just f y I s anytime

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01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: you hear somebody i'll liby or something, I'll liby, it's Libyan. Uh.

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01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: The group was part of the or rather coordinated the

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01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: attack in Paris and um so some of the most

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01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: devastating terrorist attacks in Europe have included these actions by

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01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: this group based out of Libya. So look, Libya has

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01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: gotten a little bit better at combating its terrorist elements,

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01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: at least in terms of not allowing them to have

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01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: a hundred guards of coastline on the in Libya right

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Speaker 1: cert and these areas of Libya that were under Islamic

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01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: state control for a while, they've been pushed out of that.

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Speaker 1: But the group has not been entirely eradicated. It has

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01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: just lost its control of actual territory in Libya, which

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01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: means that it's still has active operational cells, and as

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01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: we saw tragically with Salmon Abetti, that means that they

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: can be a part of attacks that hit directly at Europe.

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01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: So I don't know if this means that there will

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01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: be any additional coalition US or European activities in Libya

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01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: meant to deal specific with this group are not certainly

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 1: seems possible. But these ices franchises which I think often

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01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: get written about and talked about as though they're irrelevant.

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01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: They're far away, they have no they have no real

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01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: meaning here, There's nothing to be overly concerned about with them.

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01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: They are capable of encouraging and perhaps well encouraging plotting

1214
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 1: and planning, and in this case perhaps even remote controlling

1215
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,759
Speaker 1: the suicide bombing against Western targets, against Europe and against America.

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01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: So we have to take these franchises very seriously and

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01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: view them as a as a credible security threat to

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01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 1: all of us. And that's why when you read about,

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: for example, a group in the Philippines that pledges allegiance

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01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: to the Islamic state, that's something that we have to

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01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: pay attention to even in the West, because that pledge

1222
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: means that they are part of ideologically aligned with an

1223
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: organization that wants to hit us. And you know, the

1224
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: world is not a place where we can just hope

1225
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: that these threats go away. So anyway, I want to

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01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: follow up on a Betty that's the latest we have

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01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: on him. I'm going to hit a quick break. Your

1228
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: team will be right back. He spreads freedom because freedom

1229
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: is not gonna spread itself, bug Sexton, his back is

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01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: college worthy? The answer is, it depends. I've been saying

1231
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: this for a while. It's been clear to me that

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Speaker 1: just based on the raw numbers, the the percentage of

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01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: people that have bachelor's degrees, that one of the primary

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01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: purposes of a college degree, not to say college education,

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about that a little bit too,

1236
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: has well begun to fade away. Um, everybody now these

1237
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: days applying for a certain level of job has a

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01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: bachelor's degree, it seems, which means that a bachelor's degree

1239
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: is no longer the signaling mechanism to employers that it

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01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: once was. This has enormous implications for our whole country,

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: for our society, for spending, for careers. And I think

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01:15:55,439 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: that colleges and universities, because they've grown so fat and happy,

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01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: so to speak, don't really want to address this. They

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01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: like the way things have been well for one from

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01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: and this is a relatively recent phenomenon. By the way, um,

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Speaker 1: all the things I'm gonna talk to you about here,

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01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: this is this has been changing even since I went

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01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 1: to college. That was when much of this began to

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01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: happen in the early two thousands. But now we're in

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01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: seventeen and the data, the data shows a clear trend. Uh.

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Speaker 1: First of all, in the nineteen seventies, for example, this

1252
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 1: is from the Wall Street Journal. Today, less than one

1253
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: percent of taxi drivers were college graduates as of percent

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01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: were Now taxi drivers are doing an honorable job in

1255
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,440
Speaker 1: an honest day's work, but in terms of level of education,

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01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: it's not a not considered a skilled profession. That you

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01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: have fifteen percent of h taxi drivers as over the

1258
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: course of forty years, it's an up upwards of fifteen

1259
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: x increase in the numbers of people who have that

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01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: job with a college degree versus before. Um, you look

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01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: at all of the numbers in fact on on college

1262
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 1: and this is from a piece in the Wallstree Journal

1263
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 1: the diminishing returns of a college degree, and it shows

1264
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: that while we've created this impression that everybody needs a

1265
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 1: four year bachelor's degree, that whatever loans you have to

1266
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: take out to make that happen you should do. If

1267
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 1: that's just completely out of reach, then a community college

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01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 1: degree is your next best option. UH, that is not

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01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: really supported by the data. Um. And now this is

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01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: where you get into the back and forth that a

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01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: university would put forward on oh, well, it's about your

1272
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: education and investing in yourself and um. There's also information

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01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: that this is also at the Wallster Digital piece that

1274
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: colleges failed to improve critical thinking skills. That when they

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01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: apply a standardized test to look at critical thinking skills

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01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: across UH dozens of public colleges and universities from six

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01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: they saw that there was quote little or no improvement

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01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: in critical thinking skills over four years. So I can

1279
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 1: test that college makes you smarter. You might learn some things,

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Speaker 1: you might not learn very much, but but I can

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01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: test the notion that just inherently going to college is

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01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 1: something that will make you uh smarter when you're done.

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01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people, college is, and

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01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: it is often sold this way. It has been sold

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01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: this way to countless students who have taken on these

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01:18:56,120 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: immense student loan burdens. That it's a time when you

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01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: find yourself and find your future in a sense that

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01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: you figure out during your college years who you are

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01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 1: as a person and what you should do in life.

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01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: But couldn't you make the argument that you could also

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01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: do that just by getting a job, traveling, serving your country,

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01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: any number of things that don't require lone burdens in

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01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: the tens sometimes even over a hundred thousand dollars, but

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01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: certainly in the tens of thousands of dollars is pretty standard. Uh.

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01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: The despair. So that's you know, that's on the philosophical

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: side of it. The colleges say, well, you'll you'll grow,

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01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 1: you'll learn, and it will it will make you a

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01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: more I don't know, fulsome citizen or no, that's not

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01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 1: the word that us member of society. Uh, make you

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01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: a more u more thoughtful social justice warrior. I always

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01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: think it's it's funny. A lot of these schools also

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01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 1: try to sell everyone and on how they teach leadership,

1303
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, if everyone's a leader, we're gonna

1304
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,759
Speaker 1: have some problems because you do need people that actually

1305
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: take orders and follow you know. Um. But anyway, so

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01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: there's the philosophical notion of college making you a smarter uh,

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01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: a smarter person who's better able to function in the

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01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: world as an adult, which I contest. There's the but

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01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: but the place where you know, there's the information about

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01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 1: whether it improves your critical reasoning skills, which shows that

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01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: the gains are are pretty minimal and you couldn't figure

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01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: this out intuitively. Mean, does anyone really think we're talking

1313
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: about this more and more of these days? Does anyone

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01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,879
Speaker 1: really think that a degree in women's and gender studies

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01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: means that you're a sharper mind, that you're smarter when

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01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: all said and done, of of course not uh, you know,

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01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you'll have learned some stuff about postmodernist

1318
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: feminist theory, but that doesn't mean that in a in

1319
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: a critical thinking situation, your mind will be razor sharp,

1320
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: whereas before it was, you know, a dull, rusty nail.

1321
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: This is a lot of this is propaganda from the

1322
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: schools who have taken their role as gatekeepers in our

1323
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: society and just looted, looted, our society. I mean, you've

1324
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: got a trillion dollar student loan debt bubble out there.

1325
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: The price of colleges since two thousand, so over the

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01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: course at last, you know, decade and a half or so,

1327
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 1: it's gone up. That's for a four year degree. So

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01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: you're paying almost twice as much for that same degree

1329
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: from uh, you know, buck Sexton State, which would be

1330
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: an awesome school where everyone gets to read a lot

1331
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: of history of ancient Romean Greece, and they will party

1332
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: a fair amount as well. But but the four year degree.

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01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: But but of course in moderation, Uh, four year degree

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01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't shouldn't cost more today than it did? Uh? And

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01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: when you look at the earning power right, so so

1336
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: so college has gotten more expensive. The colleges have leveraged

1337
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,759
Speaker 1: their position, They really leverage their connections and their social

1338
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: capital in our society. So that I mean, now really

1339
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: anyone can get student loans. There's no more process of well,

1340
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: maybe you can't pay this back, and that's that's all.

1341
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: The federal government backs all of this now, and they've

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01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: created this enormous incentive for people, um by claiming that

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01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: if you don't go to college, or your life will

1344
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 1: never be what it should have been. I I don't

1345
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 1: think that that's true. But they've made it so easy

1346
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: to borrow all of this money. And part of the promise,

1347
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 1: this is another level of this. Part of the promise

1348
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: is that you will make more money that Sure you're

1349
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: taking out loans, but it's it's like people would have

1350
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: said of medical school or law school ten or twenty

1351
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: years ago. Sure you'll have loans, but you'll be making

1352
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: so much more money as a skilled professional that it's

1353
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,799
Speaker 1: worth it for you to take out those loans. Here's

1354
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: the problem with that. Also, looking at the numbers, the

1355
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 1: differential between somebody with a college degree and somebody who

1356
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,799
Speaker 1: just goes to high school in terms of earning power

1357
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: is collapsing. It is smaller than it used to be,

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01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: so you aren't, in fact getting that financial advantage over

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01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: uh your peers. Here's census data. This is from This

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01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: is from the Census. Data shows that average annual earnings

1361
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: differential between high school and four year college graduates rose

1362
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: sharply to thirty two thousand dollars in two thousand. This

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01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: is all in constant dollars UH from nineteen thousand dollars

1364
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 1: in nine but then it fell to twenty nine thousand dollars.

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01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: So people are making less in terms of the benefits

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01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:10,839
Speaker 1: of a college degree recently, uh then fifteen or seventeen

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01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: years ago, and the costs continue to keep going up.

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01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: So a college degree now means less in terms of

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01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: your earning power, and uh it means also you're gonna

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01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: probably take out more loans. So now then this is

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01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: where they oftentimes will then pivot into, Well, it depends

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01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: on the school, and that's absolutely true, and anyone listening

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01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: based on what I've seen among my peer group, if

1374
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: you want to go to and this is particularly to

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01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: a particularly true among graduate schools, if you want to

1376
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 1: go to Harvard Law School, or rather, if you want

1377
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: to go to law school and you get into Harvard

1378
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: Law School, find a way to pay and go. It's

1379
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,839
Speaker 1: worth it. If you're going to be in a legal profession,

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01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 1: it is worth it. The same is true of undergraduate degrees.

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01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: The brand matters because there are so many more people

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01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: now who are going to four year college programs. That

1383
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: means that the overall this is just a supply and

1384
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: demand issue. Right if if there was a time when well,

1385
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: there was a time when far fewer people were getting

1386
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: college degrees overall, if you had one, that was more

1387
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: of a a signal of value. But now as we

1388
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 1: see that so many more people because of the system,

1389
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 1: because of the ability to borrow and all the other

1390
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: um programs that are put in place to encourage people

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01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: to go to these four year degrees. Uh, the value

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01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: of having a degree is less just the just the

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01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: notion of I'm a I'm a college degree, i have

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01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: a Bachelor of Arts degree. Therefore I'm entitled to the

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01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: following for salary or compensation. It's just not true unless

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01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: you go to if you go to an elite school,

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01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 1: well then there's a bigger gap. Right, So if you

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01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: go to Stanford or Harvard or I don't name of

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01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: school that you think is great, yes, your earning power

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01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,560
Speaker 1: coming out of that school is likely to be considerably

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01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: higher than somebody who um you know, goes to just

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01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: goes to get a high school degreat. But looking at

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01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: what the New York Federal Reserve Bank has pulled together

1404
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: here of recent college graduates are under are underemployed for

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01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: a long time, and they often work as and this

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01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: is I know, this is kind of a stereotype for

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01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 1: the millennial generation. But it's a stereotype for a reason

1408
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,560
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of truth to it based in

1409
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 1: the numbers. A lot of millennials come out of college

1410
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: four year degree and they work as uber drivers or baristas,

1411
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: so they're either driving a car or making coffee, which

1412
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: again are completely fine and honorable professions. But if you've

1413
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: got thirty forty seventy thousand dollars of debt from your

1414
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: undergraduate program, seventy would be high. But let's say thirty

1415
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: or forty uh, and you're you're making minimum wage as

1416
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: a barista. Uh, that's gonna be very tough. That's a

1417
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: financial burden that will follow you around for quite some time.

1418
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 1: So I'm not just bringing this up because, well, for one,

1419
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 1: I think that our society has become obsessed with the

1420
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 1: the undergraduate degree branding, which really means almost nothing, and

1421
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: people need to just stop thinking that, you know, I

1422
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 1: went to such, and I went to and went to

1423
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 1: such and such a place, Therefore I am, you know,

1424
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: really smart or I'm really great For whatever reason, it's

1425
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: just not accurate. These schools take people for so many

1426
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 1: different reasons that have nothing to do with excellence or

1427
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: intellectual ability, that they're not the signals to the marketplace

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01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: that many still think they are. Um, but we need

1429
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: to also look at different ways I think of doing

1430
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: this whole higher education thing. I think that people would

1431
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: be I wish that I had worked for a year

1432
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: or two in some job before going to college, because

1433
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: to have to show up on time, do what you're told,

1434
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: get a paycheck, See that paycheck, and think to yourself, Wow,

1435
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: that's not a lot of money. And to go through

1436
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 1: that process, I think would change a lot of perspectives

1437
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: on what to do in college and how to treat

1438
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,799
Speaker 1: that four years. Whether you're paying for it for yourself

1439
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: or getting some help from your family, or you're even

1440
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: on a scholarship, doesn't matter. I think people would treat

1441
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:41,759
Speaker 1: it very differently. I think that we have a college

1442
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: culture of of partying and coddling, and they turn into

1443
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: the snowflake factories, with of course all the progressive ideological

1444
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: indoctrination that comes along with it, and the expectations that

1445
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,799
Speaker 1: they'll come out and there will be these great jobs

1446
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: waiting for them, and increasingly that is not the case.

1447
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: And then for some people they think the answer is, oh,

1448
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 1: let me just pile a useless I know people like

1449
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 1: this in New York. In fact, one of my favorite

1450
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 1: restaurants here, I've had long talks with a very nice

1451
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: young woman who is very progressive. And she works at

1452
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: the bar and as a server at a at a

1453
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,480
Speaker 1: restaurant where I frequently go. And she has an undergraduate

1454
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: degree and a master's degree and cannot get a job

1455
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 1: in her field. And I asked, you know what her

1456
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: what her field was? And sure enough, she works in journalism,

1457
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: or I should say, wants to work in journalism. She

1458
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 1: got a master's degree in journalism. And I'm like, what

1459
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: what is that all about? How do you You don't

1460
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 1: just have an undergrad degree of a master's degree and

1461
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: you're having trouble getting a gig. So this is and

1462
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: which means the additional debt and time and lost wages

1463
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: and from being out of the labor market that comes

1464
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: with all of that. So these are these are huge

1465
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: issues because our society is are our workplaces and much

1466
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: of what our lives are supposed to be, much of

1467
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 1: our lives are supposed to be set in motion professionally speaking,

1468
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 1: by where we go to school. And this is increasingly

1469
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 1: I think, um, I want it's not a scam, but

1470
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:24,680
Speaker 1: it's overstated and it needs more thought and more more questioning.

1471
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: And I do believe that people should come out of

1472
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: high school at least a year, maybe two years, do something,

1473
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: and then go to college gap year. I know they

1474
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: call it in Europe. I think it's a fantastic idea.

1475
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: I think people should do it. I wish I had

1476
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: done it, and I made pretty good use of my

1477
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: time in college, I think. But I also was spurred

1478
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 1: on in part by well by nine eleven. That's what

1479
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 1: pushed me towards joining the c i A and trying

1480
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 1: to serve my country. So anyway, those are my thoughts

1481
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: on college. I continue to think it's a fascinating topic.

1482
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 1: And given what we're seeing going on at some of

1483
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 1: these schools, the fact that these agrees aren't even worth

1484
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:02,600
Speaker 1: it people think they are. People should sit up and

1485
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 1: take notice about what's going on and and academia all

1486
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit a break team will be right back.

1487
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 1: That was one of the many chants over at Evergreen

1488
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: Evergreen State College. You remember we talked about this. They

1489
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:39,879
Speaker 1: had the day of absence that turned into a mandate

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Speaker 1: for for minority students, for black students I believe in particular, UH,

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01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 1: and that was our voluntary and then they replaced that

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01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 1: with the day of white Absence, which was, if not mandatory,

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01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: strongly suggested by non white students. UH. And that led

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01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 1: to some problem, including a professor who wrote an email

1495
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: saying that he didn't think that he thought that that

1496
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 1: was an act of oppression in and of itself. And

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01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,839
Speaker 1: he is, of course correct, and he's a Bernie Sanders

1498
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: supporting progressive, but he's apparently hasn't completely lost his mind.

1499
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to follow up on this story because, first

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01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 1: of all, there have been threats of violence now on

1501
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: the campus. There was somebody called in and said that

1502
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,679
Speaker 1: they were going to bring a gun onto campus. Students

1503
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 1: have been wandering the campus grounds with weapons, baseball bats,

1504
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 1: and there have been demands made by the students at

1505
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 1: Evergreen that the police become disarmed. The yeah, the dominity

1506
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: quote immediate disarming of police services and quote mandatory sensitivity

1507
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:51,480
Speaker 1: and cultural competency training for faculty, staff, administrators, and student employees.

1508
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 1: And the president of this school, George Bridges, has excused

1509
01:32:55,680 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 1: protesters from homework and instituted that mandatory sensitivity trading. He's

1510
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: creating a new equity center and launching a quote forensic

1511
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: investigation to see criminal charges because of that. Remember that

1512
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: video I just played a second ago. They're upset that

1513
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 1: people found out how crazy these students are because the

1514
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: videos made it out publicly, and so now they want

1515
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 1: to try to press charges against whoever posted the the video.

1516
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: But wow, um, this school looks like it receives half

1517
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: of its funding from the state Evergreen. Evergreen State College

1518
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,120
Speaker 1: receives half of its funding from the state up in Washington,

1519
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: and it looks like they may they may pull funding. Uh,

1520
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: they may have pushed too far here. This looks so

1521
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 1: bad that state legislatures are thinking about pulling, uh, pulling

1522
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:48,639
Speaker 1: its funding of the thirty two million dollars in state

1523
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:53,560
Speaker 1: and federal grants. Absolutely should happen. This place is a cesspool.

1524
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 1: It does not stand for the First Amendment, It does

1525
01:33:56,520 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: not stand for the rights of all students. It has

1526
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:05,679
Speaker 1: become completely overrun with progressive lunacy, and shutting it down

1527
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 1: would send the right message. So I agree, and I

1528
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 1: hope that's what happens. They should shut it down. To

1529
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: borrow a chant from the left, but I wanted to

1530
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 1: follow up on Evergreen and just it's getting crazier and

1531
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 1: crazier over there. All right, team, I'm gonna hit a

1532
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 1: quick break. I'll be right back. I've thought many times

1533
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 1: before that I was fortunate to grow up in the

1534
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 1: in the time period technologically speaking that I did, where

1535
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 1: you know, you had computers, and I've I think I've

1536
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 1: talked before about how playing sid Meyer's Civilization on my

1537
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: brother's computer on a Friday night when I was in

1538
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: grammar school, uh, after my parents let me order in,

1539
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, pizza or something, was like among the most

1540
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: joyous and care free periods of my life. I remember

1541
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: trying to get into a game called Missed, but I

1542
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 1: never really understood why it was a phenomenon, and it

1543
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 1: didn't really seem like it was that fun to me.

1544
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: But anyway, Uh and when I was in high school,

1545
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: we started to see cell phones, and when I was

1546
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 1: in college, pretty much everybody had a cell phone or

1547
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,759
Speaker 1: that it was becoming ubiquitous then, but even in high school.

1548
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: I think I got my first cell phone when I

1549
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: was maybe a senior in high school. It sounds right, um,

1550
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 1: you know, I remember like having to borrow my dad's

1551
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: cell phone a couple of times, and like you know,

1552
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Sun keep it short. You know, it's like two minutes,

1553
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: two dollars a minute, and which is crazy now, right?

1554
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean, do you remember being at a friend's house

1555
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: and having to use the phone and the mother would

1556
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,120
Speaker 1: ask and it wasn't an unreasonable question, is this a

1557
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: long distance call? Because if you were calling somebody out

1558
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 1: of state, it could be like a dollar or two

1559
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: a minute or some thing. Right. Uh, So that that

1560
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: that's just a good part of life. It's changes now

1561
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about that, and I'm I'm

1562
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: happy for sure that that's the case. But one thing

1563
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 1: that's nice is that when I was in grammar school,

1564
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 1: high school, you know, in the nineties, and I'm getting

1565
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 1: nostalgic for the nineties here on the Buck Sexton Show.

1566
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: But in the nineties, uh, it was at least for me,

1567
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:30,600
Speaker 1: you could make mistakes and they wouldn't be memorialized for

1568
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: all time in digital form. Right. So, you know, I

1569
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: remember being at house parties when I was in high school,

1570
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: and I grew up in New York City, so those

1571
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 1: parties sometimes had how do I put this? It was

1572
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 1: a fast crowd. I think that's what That's what the

1573
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 1: Jesuits in my high school would have referred to my friends.

1574
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: That's a fast crowd. There was certainly alcohol and um

1575
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: stuff that would happen at these parties. Uh, And I

1576
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 1: didn't have to think, well, there can be there can

1577
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 1: be video taken of this by anybody with a phone.

1578
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:12,640
Speaker 1: I didn't think to myself, someone's gonna take photos that

1579
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: they're going to really regret, maybe of themselves, you know,

1580
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 1: smoking marijuana or you know, drinking shots of so coo

1581
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: and lime, which is a thing that people still drink,

1582
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:27,560
Speaker 1: I guess, but once you get past your fraternity or

1583
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 1: sorority years, I feel like SoC and lime drops off

1584
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:34,640
Speaker 1: dramatically in popularity. But the point I'm making is that

1585
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 1: this was a time period when you didn't have to

1586
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:42,520
Speaker 1: worry that everything that you were doing was possibly surveilled.

1587
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean even by those around you. Self, surveillance was

1588
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: not a concern in the same way, right, you don't

1589
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 1: have to worry you're gonna hit the wrong you know,

1590
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna hit the Facebook live button on your phone

1591
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: at the wrong time, and all of a sudden, now

1592
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, dancing around doing your impersonation of Tom Cruise

1593
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 1: and Risky Business where he does the lip synking scene.

1594
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,759
Speaker 1: You know that that would be live stream for everybody

1595
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 1: to see. You just had a sense that you could

1596
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:16,720
Speaker 1: make mistakes and they weren't. Uh, they weren't in in

1597
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: evidentiary format all the time, which was a really nice

1598
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 1: thing as a kid. Uh. Now, I don't know how

1599
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 1: they do it. I've many of you are probably sitting

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01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 1: at home who have already had the conversation with your

1601
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 1: twelve year old. You know, this is a cell phone.

1602
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: This can connect you to the whole world. This this

1603
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 1: is anything that you do on this phone will be uh,

1604
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:42,640
Speaker 1: will will exist and will be retrievable really for all

1605
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 1: eternity as far as we know. I don't even know

1606
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 1: how you begin to have that conversation that I don't

1607
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: have any kids, so I really don't know. But uh,

1608
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 1: to me, it's just I can't imagine having been told

1609
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 1: that given that responsibility when I was, you know, a

1610
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 1: young teenager. Never never mind when I was in high school,

1611
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: having the ability to just sit there and order food

1612
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: and watch videos and do all the things we can

1613
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,719
Speaker 1: do on our phones now. When I was in high school,

1614
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, you had books and you could go play

1615
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:15,599
Speaker 1: sports and uh, you know, you can maybe go hang

1616
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 1: out on the quarter and uh and maybe try to

1617
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: sneak a cigarette. I never smoked cigarettes, but I'm just

1618
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 1: saying that's what some of the cool kids did. But

1619
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: you certainly couldn't sit there and watch Netflix on your

1620
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,800
Speaker 1: phone and not go to class. And I don't know

1621
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: how anyone deals with it. But you know, technology is

1622
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 1: there's always an up and down to it, right, there's uh,

1623
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 1: well not all technologies obviously, right. Whenever you can save

1624
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 1: someone's life with a new medical technology, I think that's

1625
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 1: just enough. But with with communication technology, there are trade

1626
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:46,799
Speaker 1: offs that we make, for sure. One of the biggest

1627
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: ones that I see right now, and by this is

1628
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: all going to tie into a new story in a second. Sorry,

1629
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing a lot of prefacing here. But one

1630
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 1: of the biggest changes that I see is that, oh,

1631
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: it's so convenient, right, People tell me, oh, it isn't

1632
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: a great buck you can especially for me because I

1633
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 1: work in media. You know, you can work from home,

1634
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: you can work remotely, and which is not always true, right,

1635
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 1: I do my radio show from a studio. I have

1636
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 1: to go in to do TV at Fox or wherever.

1637
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:14,679
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's not like I can just set

1638
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: up anywhere. And you need to have a quiet place,

1639
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 1: you need to have WiFi, you need to um, you

1640
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 1: need to have certain aspects of your work environment all

1641
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: set up and ready to go. But the other side

1642
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 1: of that is that you never really put work away.

1643
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: Work is always in my pocket. I can always be

1644
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: doing social media posts, I can always be writing something,

1645
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:36,640
Speaker 1: I can always be taking notes. And I think that

1646
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 1: there's something to be longed for. And maybe it's just

1647
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:43,599
Speaker 1: a grass is always greener situation, but there's something that's

1648
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 1: it seems remarkably nice to me at least about when

1649
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: you're not in the office, they'd have to call you

1650
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 1: and bring you into the office for you to do work,

1651
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 1: which would limit how often reasonably you could do that.

1652
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 1: And there was a work life separation. Work life balance

1653
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: is now something that you have to establish, and pretty

1654
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 1: much any business right if you're whether you're a plumber

1655
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 1: or a school teacher, or a police officer or an

1656
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: investment banker or whatever it is, you can do work

1657
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: on the go. Now with your phone, you can schedule things,

1658
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 1: you can set up appointments, you can do research, you know,

1659
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: so you have to make those distinctions, which is nice,

1660
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 1: but it also means that you aren't automatically you're not

1661
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: automatically carving time out that or time is carved out

1662
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 1: for you. I should say, we have to work so

1663
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 1: But but back to the memorializing for all eternity, the

1664
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 1: stupidity of youth. I think it's a good thing. And

1665
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: I was a well behaved teenager for the most part,

1666
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 1: But I think it's a good thing that you know,

1667
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 1: you could you could say something stupid and maybe people

1668
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:56,600
Speaker 1: heard you, but nobody was recording you. You know, you

1669
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 1: could you could say, you could say something idiotic, or

1670
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, the chance of you writing an email. I

1671
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 1: I remember this. This, This was a very distinct thing

1672
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:08,839
Speaker 1: that happened at my school. Someone wrote a terrible email

1673
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 1: to a professor um that and pretended to be somebody else,

1674
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: did it from someone else's account. If I recall to

1675
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 1: get that student in trouble and they figured it out

1676
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: and that the student was expelled. But I remember thinking myself,

1677
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, he put out that email. That email, now

1678
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 1: they could now share that with any school that he's

1679
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 1: applying to. He was a senior when he get kicked out,

1680
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: they could share that with any school. And wow, that's

1681
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 1: so you know, that's that's so dumb to have done

1682
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 1: and obviously so wrong. Um And and I just thought

1683
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 1: that even at the time, was like, this email thing

1684
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,560
Speaker 1: is gonna be great, but it's also gonna have consequences.

1685
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 1: Same thing about social media and Facebook, which came along

1686
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 1: when I was in college, was like, this Facebook thing

1687
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 1: is gonna be great, but there's also gonna be consequences

1688
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:00,160
Speaker 1: to it. And here we see a report out of

1689
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: the NBC affiliate in Chicago saying that Harvard University has

1690
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 1: rescinded admissions offers to ten students after they posted offensive

1691
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 1: photos and messages on social media. This is according to

1692
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:20,600
Speaker 1: the Harvard Crimson, which is their student paper. These are

1693
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 1: class of perspective students. To get into Harvard, you've got

1694
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:30,360
Speaker 1: about a four percent shot. Numerically speaking, it's incredibly difficult. Um.

1695
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people now that like to give speeches

1696
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 1: and lecture other people about hard work and academia, and

1697
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:39,599
Speaker 1: you know, with Harvard degrees who are in their sixties

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Speaker 1: and seventies. Just just so you know, I like to

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Speaker 1: point this out had more like a thirty percent chance

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Speaker 1: of getting into Harvard by the numbers, So it's it's

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Speaker 1: literally ten times as hard to get into Harvard now

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01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 1: as it was thirty or forty years ago. So just

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Speaker 1: so you know, the next time you're at some speech,

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Speaker 1: you're like, Wow, this per and has a degree from Harvard,

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Speaker 1: and you know there's eight five years old. Well, congrats

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Speaker 1: on being a distinguished distinguished member of society at eighty five.

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Speaker 1: But getting into Harvard was not the same thing then

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Speaker 1: that it is now. That these students lost their admission

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Speaker 1: into Harvard, which is a ticket to people opening doors

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Speaker 1: for you and thinking, let's just be honest, right, if

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Speaker 1: you go to Harvard, most of the time people think

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Speaker 1: you're smart. Not always true. And I like to tell

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Speaker 1: you that, uh, some of the smartest people I have

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Speaker 1: worked with didn't even go and I mean I mean

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Speaker 1: in my careers, in my professions, didn't even go to college.

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01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 1: In fact, some of the people that I trust most

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Speaker 1: and think are the wisest and have the best judgment

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Speaker 1: in the entire world didn't go to college. So the

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Speaker 1: notion of Harvard equals smart is a branding mechanism. It's

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Speaker 1: certainly not a truism. It is not the case that

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Speaker 1: you go to Harvard you're smart. Uh. And it's certainly

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Speaker 1: not the case that you go to Harvard, that you

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01:44:56,600 --> 01:45:00,120
Speaker 1: get into Harvard you're smart. You've got these students who

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01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:04,600
Speaker 1: posted this stupid stuff and it was in a a

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Speaker 1: messaging group for incoming freshmen, and they titled at Harvard memes,

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Speaker 1: uh for horny bourgeois teens, which is just moronic. And

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Speaker 1: these kids shared a lot of really stupid stuff on here. Um,

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Speaker 1: really bad. I mean, you know, just the kind of

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Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that you're gonna get your admissions

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01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 1: offer rescinded for you know, it's a racist stuff, sexist stuff. Um.

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Speaker 1: And this I just think is is a reminder um

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Speaker 1: that for for you know, for young people, their mistakes

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01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,160
Speaker 1: are out there forever, you know. And this is the

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01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 1: first in human history. You know, if you if you

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Speaker 1: lived in uh, you know, Victorian England, if you lived

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01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: in the Middle Ages wherever, I mean, if you you know,

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01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 1: if you live in ancient Rome, and you know, you

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01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 1: said something really dumb. There may have been rumors about it,

1739
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 1: there may have been story worries, but the Facebook chat

1740
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:05,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't exist forever, and for kids these days we're applying

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01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:09,200
Speaker 1: to these schools. I just feel like, man, it's it's

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01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:11,200
Speaker 1: a different world for them. You know that you write

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01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 1: some stupid stuff, you can lose your admissions, you can

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01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 1: lose your mission offer to Harvard, and it just lingers, Man,

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01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 1: it lingers. It's we are in a world. We are

1746
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 1: in a massive world of self surveillance, and need to

1747
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 1: think of it that way. We've got open mics all

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01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 1: around us, everything that we type, all that's all the

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01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: different platforms the digital world can be hacked into, can

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01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 1: be shared, can be Yeah, It's just it's all there, right.

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Speaker 1: Our lives are being cataloged in ways, are every action

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01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 1: and in some ways are every thought cataloged in ways

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01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 1: that it would have been completely unthinkable even even when

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01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 1: I was in college. I mean that was maybe when

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01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 1: it started. But I got out of college while I

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01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 1: got graduate two thousand and four. So over the course

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01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:03,640
Speaker 1: of less than two decades, we have become a society

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01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 1: that is under mass self imposed surveillance. I just find it, uh.

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01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:14,879
Speaker 1: I just think that I think it changes human interaction.

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01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:17,760
Speaker 1: I think it changes human behavior. I believe it's one

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01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:22,600
Speaker 1: of the most one of the most massive shifts in

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01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: the way we interact in our day to day lives

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01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:28,799
Speaker 1: in human history. Really, I mean, I think it's profound. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: So these stupid kids lost their admissions offers. That was

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01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 1: the story, but I had some other thoughts. I'll be

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01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: back in just a second. Team, stay with me, you know. Team.

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01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: There's been no shortage of pieces about how Twitter is

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01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 1: is ruining America. It really they mean ruining journalism in America.

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01:47:57,680 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 1: And I have to say that I have a lot

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01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,759
Speaker 1: sympathy for that point of view, and I do tweet,

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01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,720
Speaker 1: and I find it to be a useful tool as

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01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 1: a journalist. But given what's happened in the last couple

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01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:13,280
Speaker 1: of days, in particular with the administration with President Trump,

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01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 1: many of the problems that this White House has had

1775
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 1: to deal with have come from the President's usage of Twitter.

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01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 1: Many of the things that have taken up days of

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01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 1: the news cycle, whether it's talking about wire taps or

1778
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 1: talking about any number of things, have been Trump tweets.

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01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 1: I know people like them because it's a direct form

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01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 1: of going right to the people. But let's be clear

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01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: that the president can call a press conference anytime he wants,

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01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 1: and the whole country will watch and can see it online. Uh.

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01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 1: There's no shortage of ways for the president to reach

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01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 1: out to the American people. So I do wish, and

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01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm seeing finally some of the very strong Trump supporters

1786
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 1: out in the me to you. I'm seeing some of

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01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 1: them are finally willing to say, you know what, maybe

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01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 1: maybe the President should just just pull back on the

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01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:09,920
Speaker 1: Twitter a little bit. Uh. It's a little too much

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01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 1: sometimes and it creates a mess that his communications wing

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01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 1: will then have to deal with, and and they look

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01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 1: silly because when the president tweets one thing and they're

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01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 1: saying another, it makes them look like they can't do

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01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 1: their jobs, which is not really fair. I don't think

1795
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:31,840
Speaker 1: this is a really big deal, but I do think

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01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 1: that it would be worthwhile for the president finally back

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01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: off the Twitter. I also think we're at the point

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Speaker 1: of the presidency now when I don't want to hear

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Speaker 1: any more of the well, he's not Hillary. I know

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Speaker 1: he's not Hillary, which is great, but it's time to

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01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:48,200
Speaker 1: get some stuff done. This summer is gonna fly by,

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01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,760
Speaker 1: and if there is not a legislative achievement during this

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01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 1: presidency to point to, the Democrats are going to be

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01:49:56,520 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 1: salivating over their prospects in the midterms. And and if

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Speaker 1: we if we think that it's tough for Trump, now

1806
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 1: imagine if even one of the sides of Congress goes Democrat.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if he loses the House or the Senate to

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Speaker 1: the Democrats. The obstructionism will become a an article of faith.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it won't just be a mantra. It will

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Speaker 1: be their reason for existence for the Democrats. So there

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Speaker 1: needs to be a focus on on getting something's done legislatively,

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Speaker 1: not just through executive order. And as a broader point,

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, journalists, I see so much of this. They

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Speaker 1: there's a pressure to be nasty and snarky and to

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Speaker 1: be a jerk on Twitter to get attention. That has

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Speaker 1: corrupted even some otherwise. I think very reasoned and thoughtful writers, thinkers,

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Speaker 1: media people out there, And I just think that instantaneous

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Speaker 1: sharing of thoughts with the whole world outside of you know,

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01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:02,560
Speaker 1: I do show for you for three hours. It's extemporaneous,

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Speaker 1: but I've thought all day about what I'm going to say,

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Speaker 1: and in each break, I'm thinking about what I'm going

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Speaker 1: to say. I don't think that people should just just

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01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 1: let it let it rip off a Twitter all the

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01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 1: time the way that they do. I've seen so many

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Speaker 1: UH journalists get into a lot of trouble of course

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Speaker 1: for tweeting out something that was a little offensive or

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01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:26,679
Speaker 1: maybe it was really offensive. And private citizens have ruined

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Speaker 1: their careers and become completely socially ostracized because of this

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Speaker 1: UH and it's not helpful. I think it's not helpful

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Speaker 1: for the President United States too. It really does bring

1831
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: out the worst in a lot of folks, and it

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Speaker 1: it turns into a constant running version of the comments

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Speaker 1: section on a news article, which, if you've ever felt

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Speaker 1: brave enough to just check that out, you go into

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Speaker 1: the common section, especially on a contentious news item, and

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01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:59,840
Speaker 1: all you will see you will see people write things

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01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:03,240
Speaker 1: that you know they would never in a million years

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01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:07,840
Speaker 1: say to someone's face, but they will write the nastiest stuff. Now,

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Speaker 1: the other side of that is occasionally there is a

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Speaker 1: comment in the comments section and you're like, that is

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01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:16,600
Speaker 1: the most insightful and or funniest thing I've read in

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Speaker 1: a long time. You know who is random random dude

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01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 1: seven five to seven five. But generally speaking, the Internet

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01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 1: has become a well these social media platforms on the

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01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:35,599
Speaker 1: Internet have become loud speakers for not just the nast

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01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 1: some of the nastiest elements, but also brings out a

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Speaker 1: bad side in people and some of my uh even

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Speaker 1: some former colleagues of mine that I see not at

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Speaker 1: the Blaze but at other place that I have worked,

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01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 1: and you see people well, I mean one of them

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01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 1: called the President a piece of blanks. So I don't

1852
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:56,080
Speaker 1: have to be you know, CNN has had some people

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01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 1: that have just gone off the rails on Twitter recently,

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01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 1: so I just I'm very up two minds. People tell

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01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:04,360
Speaker 1: me to tweet more, they want me to tweet more.

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01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:05,720
Speaker 1: It would be good for me to tweet more. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, I need some peace. I

1858
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:11,959
Speaker 1: need some me time throughout my day, not just constantly

1859
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Speaker 1: sharing every even witty quip that may come to mind.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me today for the show and

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Speaker 1: honor and a pleasure. As always, please do download the

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Speaker 1: can be a lot of different stuff. We've got some

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