WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & Jocelyn Benson 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.040 today's best minds, and Elon Musk says it's outrageous to 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.160 claim he's a Nazi. We have such a great show 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.640 for you today, The Lincoln Project zwn Rick Wilson joins 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:24.160 us to discuss Trump's increasingly deranged media appearances. Then we'll 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.920 talk to Michigan Secretary of State Johncelyn Benson about her 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.520 new book, The Purposeful Warrior, standing up for what's right 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.040 when the stakes are high. 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:35.120 But first the news. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.599 My mister Trump back of the day. We used to 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:42.559 call people in public office who change their opinion on 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.879 things foot flopper. Now we just see it as a 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.120 normal thing. And he is foot flopped on firing Jerome 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.320 Powell after many, many stern words about him. 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:55.560 So Jerome Powell is basically what is standing between. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:56.960 Us and dollar flight? 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.720 Okay, dollar flight is when the world gives up the 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:05.600 dollar as the default currency and goes into the Euro 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.120 or something else. Part of the American exceptionalism is that, 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.280 for some reason, people think that our currency is the safest. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:17.600 If Donald Trump continues his behavior, as you know, disappearing 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:22.039 grad students and acting like we're an emerging government or 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.760 the global South, or a country that, you know, South America, 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:30.760 a sort of country that has a continent that has 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:35.600 less of this sort of structural democracy that we have 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:36.600 in this country. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.360 Then if Trump keeps doing this. 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.520 Then people will stop using the dollar as their default currency. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.040 Our debt will get more expensive to service. We already 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.680 have enormous debt in this country, and it will be 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.560 real bad, and everything will be more expensive, and we 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.560 won't be able to live in quite the way we've 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.520 been living. And it just no one wants dollar flight, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.080 which is why we really want Donald Trump to keep 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.840 Jerome Powell. Now, the good news is Jerome Palell is 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.840 not interested in leaving. Like with so many things in 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.960 this Trump administration, it's not even clear that Trump can 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.440 fire Jerome Palell, just like it's not even clear that 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:21.480 he could deport those immigrants. Everything Trump is doing, or 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.680 at least much of what Trump is doing, will ultimately 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.760 be reversed by the laws or the next president. So 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.320 he's basically, I think, very much threatening something he can't do. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:37.640 Now that said, Powell's term as FED chair ends in 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:42.120 May twenty twenty six, and that I think is important 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:46.200 because in May twenty twenty six, we will still be 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.320 before the midterms, so that's not going to be good. 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:54.160 But in twenty twenty six, god knows who Donald Trump 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.880 will put in this job. By the way, I just 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.360 want for two seconds to talk about what's happened at 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.280 the IRS, because I think it's important. I would like 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.320 to read a paragraph from the Economist about what's happening 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.600 at the IRS right now, because I think it's really 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.160 important to realize that these people have no idea what 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:17.680 they're doing. Okay, Basically, they put a guy in charge 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.040 of the IRS who was a MAGA hero after he 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.919 alleged that the IRS was slow walking its investigation into 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.679 Hunter Biden. He was ousted because Scott Besst, the Treasury Secretary, 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.000 said his name is mister Shapelee. He was installed by 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:37.240 Elon Musk, and he was asked by dissent. Then he 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:41.800 had replaced someone else who had resigned because Musk had 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:46.480 offered a deferred resignation to her. She had replaced someone 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.640 who was Trump's first acting commissioner, Douglas O'Donnell, who retired 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:55.200 early after a month in the post. Okay, so we 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.240 are now at the fourth or fifth head of the irs. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.840 So I want to point out like, even when Trump 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.080 World can replace these people, a lot of the time, 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:09.440 the people that he picks are incompetent or unable or 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.520 unwilling to do what he wants. 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.920 Great stuff. Speaking of how bad things are going, mister 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.560 Trump did this interview with Kristin Milker that you're going 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.400 to talk about more with Rick Wilson and just a bit, 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.120 and I found this piece one of the more laughable moments. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.359 When does it become the Trump economy? 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.200 It partially is, right now, I think the good parts 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.440 of the Trump economy and the bad parts of the 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:37.640 Biden economy. Yes, the good parts are the Trump economy 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.200 and the bad parts are the Biden economy. Look, that 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.240 interview is worth listening to because this guy not only 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.640 is he the president, he's the president with the most 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:52.760 presidential power basically ever, because he's consolidated presidential power. So 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:57.760 he's somewhere between president and pope. As he posted this 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.760 weekend when he posted pictures of himself the pope. Yeah, 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.360 not good, not good, but you know it is good. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.480 Jesse Cannon, what's that that my man is losing in 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:10.560 the court of law. 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.000 I will say, you know, we often brag about things 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:16.160 we saw coming. Our worst fears before he was elected 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.680 was that this would not happen. So I am emboldened 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.039 by you know, he always talks about how we're going 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:22.919 to be tired of winning. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:24.799 That's not what's happened to him in the court. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:26.560 Jesse and I have been through a lot. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.560 I feel like Jesse has been through more than I 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.719 have because I don't know, I'm like a little bit 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:36.640 less sensitive to the horrors that are our American political 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:37.360 system right now. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:38.720 But let's just go through it. 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.800 Jesse and I have been writing and talking and podcasting 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.520 about the Alien Enemies Act. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.000 Forever and ever and ever. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.359 We thought it was a pretty weak sauce because the 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.960 whole idea is it's always been used during wartime War 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.800 of eighteen twelve, World War One, world War two, at 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.760 all these different times they were able to use this 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:03.000 Act because it was part of what happens when you're 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.800 at war. Trump wanted to say, we were at war 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.920 with this gang in Nicaragua who no one had ever 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.680 fucking heard of until Trump took office. Turns out courts 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:17.520 are like yet so that is gonna that's already been 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.360 next and will only be more deportations to countries other 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.280 than a migrants country of origin. Also yet, so that 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:32.040 is again probably a pretty good sign that Trump is 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:37.360 losing temporary protective status of people fleeing humanitarian crisis is 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:42.640 also Trump is Yet the courts say no diice. And 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.760 then of course there are the guys who are still 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:50.760 rotting at Seacott, and those guys the courts want returned. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:56.400 So again, you know, also disappearing foreign students can't do 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.880 that anymore. One has been released more to come under 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.600 outably if we can ever get them out full time. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:08.159 Foreign students had to send back their immigration visas, not 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.400 allowed to pull them, warrantless to rest in California, And 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:15.800 yet refugee admissions got to do it. And the birthright 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.640 citizenship case is going to the Supreme Court. 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.120 I bet you a gazillion dollars. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.280 That the Supreme Court says, no, you don't get to 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:28.720 overturn by birthright citizenship. So so far a lot of 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:34.080 the Heritage Foundation's work has been undermined, and we love 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.360 to see it. We are delighted to see the Heritage 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.680 Foundation lose delightful. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.840 So, Molly, we did an amazing interview last week with 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.200 the New York Times Peter Goodman on supply chains. I 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.840 know it's not the most exciting subject. 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:50.640 But we really killed it. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.160 Let us congratulate ourselves again for that, because we really 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:54.800 did kill it. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.000 You know what, it's getting views on YouTube and you're 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.760 talking supply chains, you know you did something right. Anyway, 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.280 it seems that there's gonna be a lot of very 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.520 odd products that are not gonna be on the shelves 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.600 or doubling in price very soon, and it's not feeling 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.520 so good for mister Trump's approval rating. 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.800 So here's the thing which I don't think Trump's approval 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.960 rating has yet been exposed to, because we have been 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:17.120 warning people about it. 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:18.240 But no one's only seen it. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.960 And this is another point where you know, we're warning people, 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.120 but people haven't actually experienced it. Until you experience it, 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.040 you're not going to really understand what it is. So 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.320 here's here's what's going on. There are things that are 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.280 made in China that are not made in the United States. 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.559 By tariffing them, you have just made them more expensive. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.480 You have not made factories to make them in the 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:45.080 United States. So we're about to have a real problem. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:45.440 Now. 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.880 I want to go back to Amazon. Amazon has made 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.840 everything a lot cheaper by selling a lot of Chinese goods. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:54.840 Right now. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.640 What Amazon wanted to do was put next to prices, 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.560 how much more tariffs we're going to make them? 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.720 But Trump said no. Was very mad. 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.959 Mister Bezos, who has blue origin, wants to put famous 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:13.360 people on mars. He caved or his people cave. There 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.520 will not be a sort of like this should be 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.120 four bucks, but because of tariffs, it's eight Here's the problem. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.920 It's still going to be eight bucks. So it may 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.640 not say that tariffs are causing it, but people are 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.080 about to realize that things are about to get more expensive. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.960 And we're also going to have some empty shelves for 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.199 stuff that isn't made in the state. So Americans tend 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.720 not to like it when things cost more money for 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:36.320 no reason. 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:44.600 So we're going to see how this plays. M Rick 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.760 Wilson is the founder of Lincoln Project and the host 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:47.680 of the Enemy's List. 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.720 It's a Sunday, and Sunday means that Rick Wilson and 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:57.200 Jesse Roast may congratulations. Let's go Rick Wilson Sunday, President 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:02.040 of the United States on Meet the Press with Kristen Welker, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.359 And he doesn't know if he's supposed to uphold the Constitution. 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.719 You know, he has sworn that oath twice now, he. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.120 Had his fingers crossed both. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.400 But then again, he's been married three times and he 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.760 swore an oath then too, And he signed about a 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.400 jillion contract in his life and he never followed any 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:26.199 of those. So my only question to my conservative friends 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.560 who are like the constitution, go him first. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.320 Really does it? Does it? 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.800 Or or or or are we now in it? Are 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.960 we now just gonna not even pretend anymore? We're just 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:35.800 gonna go all in. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.040 We're in post constitutionalism. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.559 We're in post a lot of things right now. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.679 And I think I think the dumbest part of this 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:49.440 is expecting that Trump will ever follow anything that doesn't 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.200 make him money, make him feel like he's the center 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.920 of attention, or titillate him in some way. 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:59.040 I think the best moment, the best, the most sort 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:03.439 of meaning full moment of that interview was him saying 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.200 was him explaining that he has no idea how trade 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:07.120 works at all? 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:13.080 Yeah? Correct? Correct? Correct? He he really is? He really is. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.160 That was a guy, and he's a guy that people 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.000 in the White House shouldn't know that he thinks he's 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:23.280 he thinks he's great with the press, and increasingly, unless 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.840 it is spoon fed to him like like vanilla pudding, 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.880 not so good. I mean, that was not an impressive 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.800 answer on trade or the economy because he doesn't understand 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.440 anything about anything at all. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.440 There's no there there. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.880 And and you know, if you were a Trump supporter 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.839 watching that, you know, just arguing, do you had to 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.480 say to yourself, Well, the boss could have answered that 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.839 a little more effectively. Oh fuck, I gotta go to 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.480 the store and buy beans and can goods because we're 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.000 all going to starve this winter. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.400 So it was not a good So let's talk about 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.560 this for a second, because this is the thing that 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.000 it feels like we're careening towards right now. We still 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:04.200 have empty container ships coming in right in the ports 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:09.520 of Los Angeles Long Beach. Some these are sort of 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.320 next week and the week after that's after the tariffs. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.640 So if you were in the water when the on 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:19.800 Liberation Day, you weren't tariffed. But if you were heading 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.640 in the water the day after Liberation day, you're on 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:27.160 the list. As we say in you know an economists 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.559 speak fucked so now. 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.720 Ges that is a technical term that Fred Kayak wrote 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:32.520 often about the. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:38.320 Discussion exactly so now he's fucked. Right, we have China cheat, 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.679 There is no there is nothing, we have no. 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.520 Day like the Chinese is correctly read that Trump would 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.959 do one stupid thing after another, double down on the 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.360 stupid thing. Right, take the stupid thing out on a date, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.240 fuck it in the backseat of his car, get it pregnant, 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.280 and then become a baby daddy to the stupid things 0:12:56.440 --> 0:13:00.200 son of the stupid thing. This guy, they played him 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:04.040 like a fiddle, and they continue to play him like 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:04.720 a fiddle. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.760 We have no deal with no ninety ninety deals in 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.880 ninety days, right, zero, No Japan, no Indian. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.079 I don't think we have any actual deals. I mean 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.360 maybe like with so Toe or somewhere. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.520 I don't think we have I don't think we have 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:19.120 any deal. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:24.320 So we have nothing and we have This all goes 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:29.560 into effect on July seventh, Okay, July seventh, we have 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.360 again right now, we still have one hundred and fifty 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.520 percent tariffs on China. So you know, everybody sort of stockpiled. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.880 A lot of vendors have stockpiled. Now we are going 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.520 we're sort of where I think about two weeks two 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.240 three weeks from starting to really have empty shelves. Okay, 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.280 we have no trade deals, we have no plan here. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:55.200 Even if tomorrow Donald Trump says to Chi, I give up, uncle, 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.400 let's restart, let's end the tariffs, we will still have 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:03.640 a post COVID inflationary spike the way we did last time. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.040 There's no question, there is no question. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.480 And he's weakened to the US dollar at the same time, 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.400 so foreign goods are going to cost more because of 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.240 the tariffs. The weaker dollar is going to reduce our 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.079 ability to grow the economy. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.080 Our dead is going to get more expensive because there. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:25.280 Are inflationary pressures are going to in the best case, 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:26.800 the Fed is going to have to put the brakes 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.920 on any idea about reducing rates. Again, none of this 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.800 had to happen, but it all ended up having to 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:38.320 happen because Trump. I mean, when these mistakes they concatenate, 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.200 they pile on top of one another, and they don't 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.880 just like they're not they're not additive, they multiply. 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:46.560 They're like logarithmic. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.560 The more mistakes he makes, the more they compound all 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:55.240 the previous mistakes. So we're in for you know, everybody 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.080 should pray for a shitty recession. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:58.680 That's the good scenario. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:03.560 Yes, And the market has sort of gone back to 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.080 pre Liberation day numbers, right. The stocks are sort of 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.120 backup because they think that the FED is going to 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.800 cut interest rates. The Fed is not going to cut 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.600 interest rates because our FED chair is actually smart and 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.880 remembers the nineteen eighties and stagflation. 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:23.520 Now, what is. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:27.400 Going to happen is despite not having a FED cut, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.840 we are going to still probably have staflation because things 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.200 are going to get more expensive and we're going to 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.640 head into a recession, and that will mean that we 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.600 will be in a moment that is almost unfixable stagulation 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.800 because you can't cut interest rates because things get more expensive, 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:50.040 and you can't lower interest rates because then things will 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:51.240 get more inflationary. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.360 This box he has put us in just about the 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.200 only thing that will undo this, and it won't undo 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.480 all the damage, but has to be basically a blood 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.520 sacrifice of this issue. Trump has to say, and we 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.080 all know how likely this is, which is to say zero. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.160 Oh god, this was a fucking a mistake. I fired 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.720 Peter Navarro and Howard Lunnink. They're fucking idiots. They led 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.120 me down a wrong path. This country believes in and 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.760 in free trade, and we're gonna work with our international 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.560 friends and allies and partners and trading partners, and we're 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.240 going to restore trade relations across the board. That's gonna 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.120 be my main job from now on. Forget all this 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.280 other crap. I've got to get our economy moving again. 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:29.840 That's how you would fix it if you were a 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:31.760 if you believed in fixing it. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:32.880 He does not. 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.360 He has he's starting to dig in. I don't mean 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.360 just like the oh well maybe they get two dollars 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.360 instead of thirty that stuff. I think he's starting to 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:46.080 believe that this this rhetoric he's been using. Oh there's 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.200 gonna be some pain first. We've got to get tougher. 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.680 We've got to tough en up. We've got a reindustrial 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.240 None of the things he thinks are gonna happen have happened, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.280 and they will not happen because this theory was broken from. 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.640 The beginning, right, I mean, the idea that you would 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.040 ontour manufacturing by making things more expensive is not ever 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.280 how it was going to go. And you could have 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:11.240 done this. I think had you done this in nineteen seventy, 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.800 it might have worked, sure, but you can't do it now. 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.600 And also the lack of certainty is going to keep 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:22.119 people from building factories in the United States, especially for 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.000 things that Americans don't even want, these jobs. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:26.840 I mean, that's why this is so insane. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.919 And honestly, we have we made an accommodation in this 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.760 country a long time ago, and Trump never, ever, ever, ever, 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.360 ever mentions it. We have a trade deficit on material 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:43.000 goods and a wild vast global trade surplus on services. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.960 Now that those are going to take a big hit too, 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.840 because the world understands the way the game is. They 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.080 understand that the only way to defeat Trump is to 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:57.280 cause so much economic pain in America that he loses power. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.480 He has lost a lot of his power in the 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:04.399 last few weeks because the mojo he had with his 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.080 base from the very started from twenty fifteen. He knows 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.240 the economy, he's a businessman, he's really smart. He knows 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.320 that to negotiate, and now he looks like a fool 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.640 every day that has started to corrode. It's not everybody, 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.760 it's not even the majority of the of the base, 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.639 but it has started to corrode the idea that Donald 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.639 Trump is this economic superhero who can never do wrong. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:31.639 I also want to talk about this idea of being 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:36.840 afraid of Trump. So this weekend we saw Janamels in Maine. 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.720 She won against Trump. I'll see you in court. She 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.520 saw him any court lost like this is. It's so easy, 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.879 don't you know? You can be Gretchen Wibmor hiding behind 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:52.280 a folder, or you can be Janamel's winning in the court. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:53.320 Which do you want to be? 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.440 Listen? I have said this for years. 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.520 For a long time, there was some argument that I 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.960 might be in by saying this, But I've been telling 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.760 people for years. He's a fucking bully. If you give 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.119 in to him, he will take more of your lunch money. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.719 If you give in to him, he'll beat you up 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.680 another time during the day. If you give in to him, 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.800 he will keep insulting you. If you give in to him, 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:19.520 he will keep taking a dump. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:20.000 In your locker. 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.120 This is a guy who, when he gets caught in 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.920 his bullshit and has to really actually demonstrate it, whether 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.520 it's his trade stuff we were just talking about, whether 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.440 it's the Ukraine War, or whether it's Janet Mills in 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.399 Maine beating him on his sacred issue of the trans 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.760 athlete stuff, or whether it's these law firms who capitulated 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.760 in advance and then now have a court ruling against 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.840 Trump saying not only can you never do this, but 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.640 it was illegal under the first. 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.560 And the fifth and the sixth amendments. That get the 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:50.320 fuck out of here. 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:51.000 Yeah. 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:56.880 That so he loses much more than he wins, and 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:02.520 they translate the few victories he gives into this bulletproof 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.159 image of Donald Trump in the political space that is 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.400 just not accurate. People should go after him and punch 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.720 him in the nose because frequently works well. 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:16.520 And also the other thing is that, look this is you. 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.000 First of all, it's morally wrong, okay. Second of all, 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:26.160 it's legally dubious, third of all, it's authoritarianism, and fourth 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.840 of all it's not working. It's like that we have 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:35.040 every single sort of authoritarian bit. You know, he can't 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.760 don't let him be victor or bond. He can't be 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.119 it any way, stop at stop a stop it. So 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.880 I would say you know worse we got. We got 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.280 the mainstream media. But let's have two seconds on what 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:51.960 you think the White House Correspondence Association should be doing. 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:57.000 They have all been in this I think wrong mindset that, 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.359 oh well, if we don't have our place every single 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:04.159 day in the briefing room, we've lost our mojo. 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.120 That's the big get for being in the of course pond. 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:12.520 What they should be doing is tearing this White House apart. 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:15.280 They should be going after all of the secrets and 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:19.440 the lies, and the corruption and the scamming, and the 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.399 backbiting and the infighting and the weirdness. They should be 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.080 going after this administration in the battlefield where they belong. 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.720 It is not to watch Carolyn Levitt open her lie 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:35.399 hole every day and tell them another fifteen items of 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:39.240 why Donald Trump is the small smartest, handsomest, tallest man 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:40.160 in every room. 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.600 They should be doing their jobs. They should say fuck it. 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.000 If I can't get in the White House, I'm still 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:46.960 going to make phone calls, I'm still going to go 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.400 do the work. The old model is something once again 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:54.280 that Trump has hacked. Like a lot of authoritarians, they 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:58.720