1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Elon Musk says it's outrageous to 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: claim he's a Nazi. We have such a great show 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: for you today, The Lincoln Project zwn Rick Wilson joins 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: us to discuss Trump's increasingly deranged media appearances. Then we'll 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: talk to Michigan Secretary of State Johncelyn Benson about her 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: new book, The Purposeful Warrior, standing up for what's right 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: when the stakes are high. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: But first the news. 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 3: My mister Trump back of the day. We used to 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 3: call people in public office who change their opinion on 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 3: things foot flopper. Now we just see it as a 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: normal thing. And he is foot flopped on firing Jerome 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 3: Powell after many, many stern words about him. 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: So Jerome Powell is basically what is standing between. 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: Us and dollar flight? 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Okay, dollar flight is when the world gives up the 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: dollar as the default currency and goes into the Euro 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: or something else. Part of the American exceptionalism is that, 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: for some reason, people think that our currency is the safest. 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: If Donald Trump continues his behavior, as you know, disappearing 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: grad students and acting like we're an emerging government or 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: the global South, or a country that, you know, South America, 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: a sort of country that has a continent that has 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: less of this sort of structural democracy that we have 27 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: in this country. 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: Then if Trump keeps doing this. 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Then people will stop using the dollar as their default currency. 30 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: Our debt will get more expensive to service. We already 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: have enormous debt in this country, and it will be 32 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: real bad, and everything will be more expensive, and we 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: won't be able to live in quite the way we've 34 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: been living. And it just no one wants dollar flight, 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: which is why we really want Donald Trump to keep 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: Jerome Powell. Now, the good news is Jerome Palell is 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: not interested in leaving. Like with so many things in 38 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: this Trump administration, it's not even clear that Trump can 39 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: fire Jerome Palell, just like it's not even clear that 40 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: he could deport those immigrants. Everything Trump is doing, or 41 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: at least much of what Trump is doing, will ultimately 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: be reversed by the laws or the next president. So 43 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: he's basically, I think, very much threatening something he can't do. 44 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: Now that said, Powell's term as FED chair ends in 45 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: May twenty twenty six, and that I think is important 46 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: because in May twenty twenty six, we will still be 47 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: before the midterms, so that's not going to be good. 48 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty six, god knows who Donald Trump 49 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: will put in this job. By the way, I just 50 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: want for two seconds to talk about what's happened at 51 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: the IRS, because I think it's important. I would like 52 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: to read a paragraph from the Economist about what's happening 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: at the IRS right now, because I think it's really 54 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: important to realize that these people have no idea what 55 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: they're doing. Okay, Basically, they put a guy in charge 56 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: of the IRS who was a MAGA hero after he 57 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: alleged that the IRS was slow walking its investigation into 58 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden. He was ousted because Scott Besst, the Treasury Secretary, 59 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: said his name is mister Shapelee. He was installed by 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: Elon Musk, and he was asked by dissent. Then he 61 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: had replaced someone else who had resigned because Musk had 62 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: offered a deferred resignation to her. She had replaced someone 63 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: who was Trump's first acting commissioner, Douglas O'Donnell, who retired 64 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: early after a month in the post. Okay, so we 65 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: are now at the fourth or fifth head of the irs. 66 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: So I want to point out like, even when Trump 67 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: World can replace these people, a lot of the time, 68 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: the people that he picks are incompetent or unable or 69 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: unwilling to do what he wants. 70 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: Great stuff. Speaking of how bad things are going, mister 71 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: Trump did this interview with Kristin Milker that you're going 72 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: to talk about more with Rick Wilson and just a bit, 73 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: and I found this piece one of the more laughable moments. 74 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 2: When does it become the Trump economy? 75 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: It partially is, right now, I think the good parts 76 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: of the Trump economy and the bad parts of the 77 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: Biden economy. Yes, the good parts are the Trump economy 78 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: and the bad parts are the Biden economy. Look, that 79 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: interview is worth listening to because this guy not only 80 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: is he the president, he's the president with the most 81 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: presidential power basically ever, because he's consolidated presidential power. So 82 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: he's somewhere between president and pope. As he posted this 83 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: weekend when he posted pictures of himself the pope. Yeah, 84 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: not good, not good, but you know it is good. 85 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon, what's that that my man is losing in 86 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: the court of law. 87 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: I will say, you know, we often brag about things 88 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 3: we saw coming. Our worst fears before he was elected 89 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: was that this would not happen. So I am emboldened 90 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 3: by you know, he always talks about how we're going 91 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 3: to be tired of winning. 92 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 4: That's not what's happened to him in the court. 93 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: Jesse and I have been through a lot. 94 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: I feel like Jesse has been through more than I 95 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: have because I don't know, I'm like a little bit 96 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: less sensitive to the horrors that are our American political 97 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: system right now. 98 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: But let's just go through it. 99 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: Jesse and I have been writing and talking and podcasting 100 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: about the Alien Enemies Act. 101 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: Forever and ever and ever. 102 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: We thought it was a pretty weak sauce because the 103 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: whole idea is it's always been used during wartime War 104 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: of eighteen twelve, World War One, world War two, at 105 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: all these different times they were able to use this 106 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: Act because it was part of what happens when you're 107 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: at war. Trump wanted to say, we were at war 108 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: with this gang in Nicaragua who no one had ever 109 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: fucking heard of until Trump took office. Turns out courts 110 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: are like yet so that is gonna that's already been 111 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: next and will only be more deportations to countries other 112 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: than a migrants country of origin. Also yet, so that 113 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: is again probably a pretty good sign that Trump is 114 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: losing temporary protective status of people fleeing humanitarian crisis is 115 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: also Trump is Yet the courts say no diice. And 116 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: then of course there are the guys who are still 117 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: rotting at Seacott, and those guys the courts want returned. 118 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: So again, you know, also disappearing foreign students can't do 119 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: that anymore. One has been released more to come under 120 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: outably if we can ever get them out full time. 121 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: Foreign students had to send back their immigration visas, not 122 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: allowed to pull them, warrantless to rest in California, And 123 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: yet refugee admissions got to do it. And the birthright 124 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: citizenship case is going to the Supreme Court. 125 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: I bet you a gazillion dollars. 126 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: That the Supreme Court says, no, you don't get to 127 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: overturn by birthright citizenship. So so far a lot of 128 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation's work has been undermined, and we love 129 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: to see it. We are delighted to see the Heritage 130 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: Foundation lose delightful. 131 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: So, Molly, we did an amazing interview last week with 132 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: the New York Times Peter Goodman on supply chains. I 133 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: know it's not the most exciting subject. 134 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: But we really killed it. 135 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: Let us congratulate ourselves again for that, because we really 136 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: did kill it. 137 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: You know what, it's getting views on YouTube and you're 138 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: talking supply chains, you know you did something right. Anyway, 139 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: it seems that there's gonna be a lot of very 140 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: odd products that are not gonna be on the shelves 141 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: or doubling in price very soon, and it's not feeling 142 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: so good for mister Trump's approval rating. 143 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: So here's the thing which I don't think Trump's approval 144 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: rating has yet been exposed to, because we have been 145 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: warning people about it. 146 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: But no one's only seen it. 147 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: And this is another point where you know, we're warning people, 148 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: but people haven't actually experienced it. Until you experience it, 149 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: you're not going to really understand what it is. So 150 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: here's here's what's going on. There are things that are 151 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: made in China that are not made in the United States. 152 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: By tariffing them, you have just made them more expensive. 153 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: You have not made factories to make them in the 154 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: United States. So we're about to have a real problem. 155 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: Now. 156 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: I want to go back to Amazon. Amazon has made 157 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: everything a lot cheaper by selling a lot of Chinese goods. 158 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: Right now. 159 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: What Amazon wanted to do was put next to prices, 160 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: how much more tariffs we're going to make them? 161 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: But Trump said no. Was very mad. 162 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: Mister Bezos, who has blue origin, wants to put famous 163 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: people on mars. He caved or his people cave. There 164 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: will not be a sort of like this should be 165 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: four bucks, but because of tariffs, it's eight Here's the problem. 166 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: It's still going to be eight bucks. So it may 167 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: not say that tariffs are causing it, but people are 168 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: about to realize that things are about to get more expensive. 169 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: And we're also going to have some empty shelves for 170 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: stuff that isn't made in the state. So Americans tend 171 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: not to like it when things cost more money for 172 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: no reason. 173 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: So we're going to see how this plays. M Rick 174 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: Wilson is the founder of Lincoln Project and the host 175 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: of the Enemy's List. 176 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: It's a Sunday, and Sunday means that Rick Wilson and 177 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: Jesse Roast may congratulations. Let's go Rick Wilson Sunday, President 178 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: of the United States on Meet the Press with Kristen Welker, 179 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,359 Speaker 1: And he doesn't know if he's supposed to uphold the Constitution. 180 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 4: You know, he has sworn that oath twice now, he. 181 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: Had his fingers crossed both. 182 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 5: But then again, he's been married three times and he 183 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 5: swore an oath then too, And he signed about a 184 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 5: jillion contract in his life and he never followed any 185 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 5: of those. So my only question to my conservative friends 186 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 5: who are like the constitution, go him first. 187 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 4: Really does it? Does it? 188 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 5: Or or or or are we now in it? Are 189 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 5: we now just gonna not even pretend anymore? We're just 190 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 5: gonna go all in. 191 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: We're in post constitutionalism. 192 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 4: We're in post a lot of things right now. 193 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 5: And I think I think the dumbest part of this 194 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 5: is expecting that Trump will ever follow anything that doesn't 195 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 5: make him money, make him feel like he's the center 196 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 5: of attention, or titillate him in some way. 197 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: I think the best moment, the best, the most sort 198 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: of meaning full moment of that interview was him saying 199 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: was him explaining that he has no idea how trade 200 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: works at all? 201 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 4: Yeah? Correct? Correct? Correct? He he really is? He really is. 202 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 5: That was a guy, and he's a guy that people 203 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 5: in the White House shouldn't know that he thinks he's 204 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 5: he thinks he's great with the press, and increasingly, unless 205 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 5: it is spoon fed to him like like vanilla pudding, 206 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 5: not so good. I mean, that was not an impressive 207 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 5: answer on trade or the economy because he doesn't understand 208 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 5: anything about anything at all. 209 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 4: There's no there there. 210 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 5: And and you know, if you were a Trump supporter 211 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 5: watching that, you know, just arguing, do you had to 212 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 5: say to yourself, Well, the boss could have answered that 213 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 5: a little more effectively. Oh fuck, I gotta go to 214 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 5: the store and buy beans and can goods because we're 215 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 5: all going to starve this winter. 216 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: So it was not a good So let's talk about 217 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: this for a second, because this is the thing that 218 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: it feels like we're careening towards right now. We still 219 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: have empty container ships coming in right in the ports 220 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: of Los Angeles Long Beach. Some these are sort of 221 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: next week and the week after that's after the tariffs. 222 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: So if you were in the water when the on 223 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: Liberation Day, you weren't tariffed. But if you were heading 224 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: in the water the day after Liberation day, you're on 225 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: the list. As we say in you know an economists 226 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: speak fucked so now. 227 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 5: Ges that is a technical term that Fred Kayak wrote 228 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 5: often about the. 229 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: Discussion exactly so now he's fucked. Right, we have China cheat, 230 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: There is no there is nothing, we have no. 231 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 5: Day like the Chinese is correctly read that Trump would 232 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 5: do one stupid thing after another, double down on the 233 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 5: stupid thing. Right, take the stupid thing out on a date, 234 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 5: fuck it in the backseat of his car, get it pregnant, 235 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 5: and then become a baby daddy to the stupid things 236 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 5: son of the stupid thing. This guy, they played him 237 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 5: like a fiddle, and they continue to play him like 238 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 5: a fiddle. 239 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: We have no deal with no ninety ninety deals in 240 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: ninety days, right, zero, No Japan, no Indian. 241 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 5: I don't think we have any actual deals. I mean 242 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 5: maybe like with so Toe or somewhere. 243 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: I don't think we have I don't think we have 244 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 4: any deal. 245 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: So we have nothing and we have This all goes 246 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: into effect on July seventh, Okay, July seventh, we have 247 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: again right now, we still have one hundred and fifty 248 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: percent tariffs on China. So you know, everybody sort of stockpiled. 249 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: A lot of vendors have stockpiled. Now we are going 250 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: we're sort of where I think about two weeks two 251 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: three weeks from starting to really have empty shelves. Okay, 252 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: we have no trade deals, we have no plan here. 253 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: Even if tomorrow Donald Trump says to Chi, I give up, uncle, 254 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: let's restart, let's end the tariffs, we will still have 255 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: a post COVID inflationary spike the way we did last time. 256 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: There's no question, there is no question. 257 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 5: And he's weakened to the US dollar at the same time, 258 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 5: so foreign goods are going to cost more because of 259 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 5: the tariffs. The weaker dollar is going to reduce our 260 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 5: ability to grow the economy. 261 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: Our dead is going to get more expensive because there. 262 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 5: Are inflationary pressures are going to in the best case, 263 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 5: the Fed is going to have to put the brakes 264 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 5: on any idea about reducing rates. Again, none of this 265 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 5: had to happen, but it all ended up having to 266 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 5: happen because Trump. I mean, when these mistakes they concatenate, 267 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 5: they pile on top of one another, and they don't 268 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 5: just like they're not they're not additive, they multiply. 269 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 4: They're like logarithmic. 270 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 5: The more mistakes he makes, the more they compound all 271 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 5: the previous mistakes. So we're in for you know, everybody 272 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 5: should pray for a shitty recession. 273 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 4: That's the good scenario. 274 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: Yes, And the market has sort of gone back to 275 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: pre Liberation day numbers, right. The stocks are sort of 276 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: backup because they think that the FED is going to 277 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: cut interest rates. The Fed is not going to cut 278 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: interest rates because our FED chair is actually smart and 279 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: remembers the nineteen eighties and stagflation. 280 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: Now, what is. 281 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: Going to happen is despite not having a FED cut, 282 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: we are going to still probably have staflation because things 283 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: are going to get more expensive and we're going to 284 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: head into a recession, and that will mean that we 285 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: will be in a moment that is almost unfixable stagulation 286 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: because you can't cut interest rates because things get more expensive, 287 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: and you can't lower interest rates because then things will 288 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: get more inflationary. 289 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 5: This box he has put us in just about the 290 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 5: only thing that will undo this, and it won't undo 291 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 5: all the damage, but has to be basically a blood 292 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 5: sacrifice of this issue. Trump has to say, and we 293 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 5: all know how likely this is, which is to say zero. 294 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 5: Oh god, this was a fucking a mistake. I fired 295 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 5: Peter Navarro and Howard Lunnink. They're fucking idiots. They led 296 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 5: me down a wrong path. This country believes in and 297 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 5: in free trade, and we're gonna work with our international 298 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 5: friends and allies and partners and trading partners, and we're 299 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 5: going to restore trade relations across the board. That's gonna 300 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 5: be my main job from now on. Forget all this 301 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 5: other crap. I've got to get our economy moving again. 302 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 5: That's how you would fix it if you were a 303 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 5: if you believed in fixing it. 304 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 4: He does not. 305 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 5: He has he's starting to dig in. I don't mean 306 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 5: just like the oh well maybe they get two dollars 307 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 5: instead of thirty that stuff. I think he's starting to 308 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 5: believe that this this rhetoric he's been using. Oh there's 309 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 5: gonna be some pain first. We've got to get tougher. 310 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 5: We've got to tough en up. We've got a reindustrial 311 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 5: None of the things he thinks are gonna happen have happened, 312 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 5: and they will not happen because this theory was broken from. 313 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: The beginning, right, I mean, the idea that you would 314 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: ontour manufacturing by making things more expensive is not ever 315 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: how it was going to go. And you could have 316 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: done this. I think had you done this in nineteen seventy, 317 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: it might have worked, sure, but you can't do it now. 318 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: And also the lack of certainty is going to keep 319 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: people from building factories in the United States, especially for 320 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: things that Americans don't even want, these jobs. 321 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that's why this is so insane. 322 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 5: And honestly, we have we made an accommodation in this 323 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 5: country a long time ago, and Trump never, ever, ever, ever, 324 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 5: ever mentions it. We have a trade deficit on material 325 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 5: goods and a wild vast global trade surplus on services. 326 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 5: Now that those are going to take a big hit too, 327 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 5: because the world understands the way the game is. They 328 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 5: understand that the only way to defeat Trump is to 329 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 5: cause so much economic pain in America that he loses power. 330 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 5: He has lost a lot of his power in the 331 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 5: last few weeks because the mojo he had with his 332 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 5: base from the very started from twenty fifteen. He knows 333 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 5: the economy, he's a businessman, he's really smart. He knows 334 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 5: that to negotiate, and now he looks like a fool 335 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 5: every day that has started to corrode. It's not everybody, 336 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 5: it's not even the majority of the of the base, 337 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 5: but it has started to corrode the idea that Donald 338 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 5: Trump is this economic superhero who can never do wrong. 339 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: I also want to talk about this idea of being 340 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: afraid of Trump. So this weekend we saw Janamels in Maine. 341 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: She won against Trump. I'll see you in court. She 342 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: saw him any court lost like this is. It's so easy, 343 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: don't you know? You can be Gretchen Wibmor hiding behind 344 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: a folder, or you can be Janamel's winning in the court. 345 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: Which do you want to be? 346 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: Listen? I have said this for years. 347 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 5: For a long time, there was some argument that I 348 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 5: might be in by saying this, But I've been telling 349 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 5: people for years. He's a fucking bully. If you give 350 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 5: in to him, he will take more of your lunch money. 351 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 5: If you give in to him, he'll beat you up 352 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 5: another time during the day. If you give in to him, 353 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 5: he will keep insulting you. If you give in to him, 354 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 5: he will keep taking a dump. 355 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 4: In your locker. 356 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 5: This is a guy who, when he gets caught in 357 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 5: his bullshit and has to really actually demonstrate it, whether 358 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 5: it's his trade stuff we were just talking about, whether 359 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 5: it's the Ukraine War, or whether it's Janet Mills in 360 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 5: Maine beating him on his sacred issue of the trans 361 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 5: athlete stuff, or whether it's these law firms who capitulated 362 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 5: in advance and then now have a court ruling against 363 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 5: Trump saying not only can you never do this, but 364 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 5: it was illegal under the first. 365 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 4: And the fifth and the sixth amendments. That get the 366 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 4: fuck out of here. 367 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 368 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 5: That so he loses much more than he wins, and 369 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 5: they translate the few victories he gives into this bulletproof 370 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 5: image of Donald Trump in the political space that is 371 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 5: just not accurate. People should go after him and punch 372 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 5: him in the nose because frequently works well. 373 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: And also the other thing is that, look this is you. 374 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: First of all, it's morally wrong, okay. Second of all, 375 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: it's legally dubious, third of all, it's authoritarianism, and fourth 376 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: of all it's not working. It's like that we have 377 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: every single sort of authoritarian bit. You know, he can't 378 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: don't let him be victor or bond. He can't be 379 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: it any way, stop at stop a stop it. So 380 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: I would say you know worse we got. We got 381 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: the mainstream media. But let's have two seconds on what 382 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: you think the White House Correspondence Association should be doing. 383 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 5: They have all been in this I think wrong mindset that, 384 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 5: oh well, if we don't have our place every single 385 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 5: day in the briefing room, we've lost our mojo. 386 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 4: That's the big get for being in the of course pond. 387 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 5: What they should be doing is tearing this White House apart. 388 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 5: They should be going after all of the secrets and 389 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 5: the lies, and the corruption and the scamming, and the 390 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 5: backbiting and the infighting and the weirdness. They should be 391 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 5: going after this administration in the battlefield where they belong. 392 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 5: It is not to watch Carolyn Levitt open her lie 393 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 5: hole every day and tell them another fifteen items of 394 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 5: why Donald Trump is the small smartest, handsomest, tallest man 395 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 5: in every room. 396 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 4: They should be doing their jobs. They should say fuck it. 397 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 5: If I can't get in the White House, I'm still 398 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 5: going to make phone calls, I'm still going to go 399 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 5: do the work. The old model is something once again 400 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 5: that Trump has hacked. Like a lot of authoritarians, they 401 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 5: use the authoritarians use the tools of democracies to overturn democracy. 402 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 5: The Trump media is using the tools of the news media, 403 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 5: the traditional mainstream media, to break the mainstream media. This 404 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 5: is a foolish battle. They can't win by complaining about, oh, well, 405 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 5: why would you let Tim Poole in the White House? 406 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 5: Even though I don't know who said it, but when 407 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 5: Tim Poole was in there, somebody said the other day, 408 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 5: he looks like he's about to leave the White House 409 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 5: and go have a wrap battle with eminem in eight mile. 410 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: What I love about Tempoole is nothing, but also nothing 411 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: that the Beanie. 412 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: I like the Beanie. 413 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 4: Well, you know, he's a bald guy. He should just 414 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 4: own it. 415 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: I like it's. 416 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 4: Easier that way, a fetching chapeau, if you will. 417 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: So the Trump's polling is down, still not probably where 418 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: it deserves to be. 419 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 4: It's about us. 420 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 5: It's look, it's it's very close to its forty one forty. 421 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: I like it when he's thirty eight, that's thirty seven 422 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: thirty eight. That's my happy place. 423 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, And it has started to really scare the Republicans. 424 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 5: I know Virginia Republicans are trying to find ways. 425 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 4: To say his name. 426 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: That's a fun story talk about the Virginia gubernatorial. 427 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 4: All right, Molly, you know this better than I do. 428 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 4: But it just involves naked pictures. 429 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: Wait, which one is this? What explain it? Because I've known. 430 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 5: So there's a Virginia Republican candidate out there who is 431 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 5: caught up in this intramural fight now in the Republican 432 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 5: Party because the Glenn Youngkin wing of the party, which 433 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 5: which whether or not people believe it, he is. 434 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: He's turned out, so fuck them hop right. 435 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 5: But so so they tried to bump this guy named 436 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 5: John Reid out of the Republican Party because he had 437 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 5: this he had this account on social media. 438 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: Actually explicit images of. 439 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 4: Men of gay men and their penises. 440 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And so. 441 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 4: He's he's running a state wide off for state white office. 442 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 5: He had a tumblr Tumblr That's what I was trying 443 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 5: to remember what what platform was. 444 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: Some of the oldies Kin asked read to drop out 445 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: last week. 446 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 4: Right, So they try to get him out of the race. 447 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 5: And now it's like you've got the trads like young 448 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 5: Kin who want him out. The magas are defending the 449 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 5: guy with the penis picture collection. The evangelicals are nervous 450 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 5: wins seers, who doesn't like the gays is nervous. The 451 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 5: whole thing is like, is like kind of an apotheosis 452 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 5: of where the MAGA movement is. They sucked in all 453 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 5: of this weird flotsam and jetsam into their system after Trump, 454 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 5: all the broken toys and misfit children wandered into two 455 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 5: Maga And so it shouldn't surprise people this is coming up. 456 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: Look, if the. 457 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 5: Guy wants to have a collection on his Tumblr account 458 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 5: of men's penises, that is his business. I'm a I'm 459 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 5: libertarian and open minded enough for to say, as long 460 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 5: as it's behind the firewall and the utes can't see it, 461 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 5: that's great. 462 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, but it's important to remember that 463 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: Virginia is it seems like the I mean. 464 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 5: Nobody ever criticized Steve Bannon for having a scab collection tumbler, 465 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 5: but you know, at. 466 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: The Virginia gubernatorial I just want to do another second 467 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: on this because you know it's coming up very soon. 468 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: We have Spamburger is I don't know what you pulling 469 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: at ten thousand more than the Republican. 470 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 5: Look, here's the thing. If the Republicans lose Virginia at 471 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 5: the state right level and the legislative level, I will 472 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 5: tell you exactly. On the congressional level, rather, i'll tell 473 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 5: you exactly. There's a two word phrase you should just 474 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 5: say over and over again. That's Elon musk. The fact 475 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 5: that you So, there's been two hundred and sixty seven 476 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 5: thousand federal workers fired or laid off, and about one 477 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 5: hundred and thirty thousand of those people are in the 478 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 5: great state of Virginia in three congressional districts. Yeah, and 479 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 5: every one of those members of Congress has said something 480 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 5: like Alma Ahama and hamanoshould be careful about our job. 481 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 5: They're going to have Elon Musk hung around their necks. 482 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 5: I can tell you this works. I've tested it already. 483 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 5: We're going into the field very soon because these people 484 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 5: are vulnerable as hell. The doge is about as popular 485 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 5: as as has rotten meat in the state of Virginia. 486 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 5: They're going to have to defend it. And the problem, 487 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 5: as always, when you have a cohort in your party 488 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 5: of insane people who spend forty percent of their time 489 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 5: on Twitter every day. When they see someone say, Lord 490 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 5: Elon made a mistake, their natural reaction is to dogpile 491 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 5: them and to attack them, and then you end up 492 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 5: in this thing where where even these MAGA candidates get 493 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 5: interpreted as establishment rhino Cuckshills, and the Maga stay home, 494 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 5: or the magas put up another candidate in a primary, 495 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 5: someone crazier, right right, Yeah, but it's not even about 496 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 5: Trump in Virginia, it's about Doze in these cuts and 497 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 5: then it is bleeding them. 498 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 4: It is bleeding them savagely. 499 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,479 Speaker 2: Right now, it is true Doge. 500 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: Just one last caveat about Doge not saving anyone any money. 501 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 5: No, No, you could have done You could have done 502 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 5: basic financial auditing and saved a lot more money. 503 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 6: Yeah. 504 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 4: Hell well. 505 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: Jocelyn Benson is the Secretary of State of Michigan and 506 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: a candidate for Governor of Michigan and the author of 507 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: The Purposeful Warrior, Standing up for what's right when the 508 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: stakes are high. 509 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: Welcome to past politics. So talk to us about this book. Well, 510 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: thanks for having me. 511 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 7: I'm such a big fan, Nolly and grateful for your 512 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 7: voice right now in this moment. You're a true purposeful warrior, 513 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 7: and that's what my book is about. It started as 514 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 7: my take on what it was like to stand up 515 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 7: to a president and protect the votes of Michigan anders 516 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 7: after the twenty twenty election. 517 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 6: So those are stories we can all be reminded of 518 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 6: right now. It evolved into a book about the power 519 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 6: we all have to define a better world for ourselves, 520 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 6: the people we love, and the places we call home, 521 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 6: even in turbulent times. 522 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: Tell me about what that looks like for you right now, 523 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: You're the Secretary of State for the State of Michigan. 524 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: How are you doing that? 525 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 6: Well, you know, the book is really about how we 526 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 6: all can, in moments of you know, great uncertainty, stay 527 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 6: true to who we are and see turbulent times as 528 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 6: an opportunity to restore our power to define who we are. 529 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 6: So for me in Michigan as Secretary of State on 530 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 6: the chief election off, Sir, that means continuing to stand 531 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 6: up unequivocally in support of the values that we share 532 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 6: as Democrats and the work we all need to do 533 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 6: together to continue protecting democracy. And I'm also running for 534 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 6: governor in a state that voted for Donald Trump and 535 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 6: voted for me twice, and so in this moment, we 536 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 6: have to remember to stand up for who we are 537 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 6: because team democracy and the truth matters. So in this moment, 538 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 6: I think We all have opportunities to be warriors for 539 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 6: who we are, and this book is really a call 540 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 6: to action for all of us to stay true to 541 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 6: it those principles even in times of great challenge. 542 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: So, you guys are in a difficult spot trying to 543 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: serve your constituents while protecting them from trump Ism. Can 544 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: you try to explain to us what Governor Whitmera is 545 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: doing right now? 546 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 6: That's a question for her more than it is for me. 547 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 6: But at the same time, I believe in this moment 548 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 6: that governors can be whether you're a governor of a 549 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 6: blue state or a purple state, or even a red state, 550 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 6: you can be aligned with who we are and what 551 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 6: matters most. In my case, I'm unequivocal in recognizing that 552 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 6: even in a state like ours, we have to be 553 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 6: clear that we have a responsibility to stand up to 554 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 6: anyone who had threatened the rights and freedoms of our citizens, 555 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 6: even if that person is the President of the United States. 556 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 6: I think it's important for us to hold the line 557 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 6: and also reinforce the reality that the last one hundred 558 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 6: days has wreaked economic havoc in our state and in 559 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 6: our democracy, and so my focus is always to be 560 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 6: willing to work with anyone to get things done for Michiganders, 561 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 6: especially when it boosts our economy and invest in our people. 562 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 6: But we can do that while also being unequivocal and 563 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 6: standing up to anyone who threatens our economy, the economic 564 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 6: prosperity of our residents, and that rites and freedoms of 565 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 6: every citizen. And that is undoubtedly what we're seeing out 566 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 6: of this administration right now. 567 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: How do you do that without looking like your rubber 568 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: stamping trump Ism or not even like I understand that 569 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: we've seen this, and we saw this in Washington, DC, 570 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: done pretty well by by MARYO Bowser. But a lot 571 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: of times people will think maybe they're negotiating against Trump 572 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: and winning at it, when in fact Trump is absolutely 573 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: kind of ensnaring them. 574 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: How do you do that? 575 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 6: I think the same way for me, I defended our 576 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 6: election as also in twenty twenty, which is refusing to 577 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 6: waiver from the truth. And you know, the truth is 578 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 6: these less hundred days, we've seen reckless economic policies that 579 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 6: have driven up the cost of living in Michigan for 580 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 6: our farmers, for our teachers, for our autoworkers, and those 581 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 6: economic policies have not been good for our state. If 582 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 6: there are opportunities to improve them, great, But as governor, 583 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 6: I would work with other governors and even with other 584 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 6: governments in other countries to find ways to improve the 585 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 6: economic well being of our residents, especially if the actions 586 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 6: that the federal government are taking are only causing more harm. 587 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 6: We've got to stand up and tell our story. We've 588 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 6: got to speak with truth and integrity and courage. But 589 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 6: we cannot waver from those principles, especially in times like these. 590 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 6: And if you reflect on everything that's happened in the 591 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 6: last one hundred days, it's not just the economic pieces. 592 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 6: And I say this as someone who's a staunch defender 593 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 6: of democracy. I've dedicated my whole life to it. We 594 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 6: have seen a real damage done to the very legal, constitutional, 595 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 6: judicial institutions that form the fabric of our democracy, and 596 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 6: we have to all be unequivocal about standing up and 597 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 6: condemning that, because this is not the moment to bendi. 598 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 6: This is the moment to stand proud in defense of 599 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 6: our democracy, our constitution, our country, and in economic in 600 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 6: defense of economic policies that will actually drive out the 601 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 6: cost of living and improve economic opportunity for all all 602 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 6: of those things are aligned to me, and all of 603 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 6: those things is what I'd steadfastly pushed for and push 604 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 6: anyone to stand with me on as governor. 605 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: So what do you say, you know, like the tariffs, 606 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: you hope these tariffs coming, some of them are already here. 607 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: How are the tariffs affecting Michigan. 608 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 6: I think there's a role for tariffs to be carefully 609 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 6: played in different roles, and that's not what's happening here. 610 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 6: What's happening here is the reckless use of tariffs to 611 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 6: further kind of personal vendettas almost and play games with 612 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 6: the economic wellbeing of our residents. So, whether it's merchants 613 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 6: and small business owners, farmers, auto workers, we are all 614 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 6: mired uncertainty and the chaos that this daily evolution of 615 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 6: our tariff's policy has caused so many of our residents 616 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 6: in our state. Yes, we all want to see more 617 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 6: things made in Michigan. Yes, we all want to invest 618 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 6: in our manufacturing prowess. Again, there is a role for 619 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 6: terrorists to play in that. This ain't it, And I 620 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 6: think we have to be very clear about that and 621 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 6: offer our alternative views as to how to do that 622 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 6: by investing in manufacturing and building things in our state 623 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 6: and shifting phones in that regard. But right now, particularly 624 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 6: with our allies in Canada, where so much partnership is 625 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 6: critical for us in Michigan, tariffs and the evolving uncertainty 626 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 6: of the tariffs have only created economic havoc in our state. 627 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 6: And my hope is that we see an end to 628 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 6: that soon. But we need adults in the room making 629 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 6: these policies at the federal level. 630 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: So what can the state do at this moment to 631 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: protect constituents from Trump? I mean we see ices arresting 632 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: grad students, putting them in detention facilities. 633 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: I mean, they have a. 634 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: Very kind of they're not so into do process anymore, 635 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: and in fact they're running about with the Supreme Court 636 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: on that. What can you do as a state official 637 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: besides protecting votes, what can you do to protect constituents? 638 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 6: Well, first, it means we're recognizing as policies merge out 639 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 6: of the federal government, using everything we have at the 640 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 6: state level to protect our residents, whether it is investing 641 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 6: in our schools, shifting more funds that have been taken 642 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 6: away for service projects into service projects in our state, 643 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 6: we're just at the beginning of seeing the devast station 644 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 6: that all of these cuts are having on services from 645 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 6: everything from service providers in our state, to educators in 646 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 6: our state, to auto workers and to farmers, and so 647 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 6: as a state, we can do what we can to 648 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 6: eliminate wasteful spending and bureaucracy, to make the cost of 649 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 6: starting a business less, to make it easier for people 650 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 6: to build houses and meet their homes, and eliminate costly 651 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 6: regulations that stand in the way of that. But in 652 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 6: this specific moment that a lot of it it is 653 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 6: just kind of keeping track of the chaos coming out 654 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 6: of Washington right now and then developing a policy to 655 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 6: protect people from that as it becomes more clear what's 656 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 6: actually happening. But the other thing that's emerged over these 657 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 6: last one hundred days, I think is the recognition of 658 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 6: all of us as Americans, not just governors, although I 659 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 6: think governors have a critical role to play in this moment, 660 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 6: but all of us as Americans to not bend the knee, 661 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 6: to not allow what we're seeing come out of Washington 662 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 6: to define who we are, to retain our power to 663 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 6: define who we are, and fight to restore those values 664 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 6: of inclusion, of equality, of justice, of fairness, to the 665 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 6: way our economy and our country operates and our democracy operates. 666 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: I really like you and think you're really a smart politician. 667 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: But when I interview you, and you do a thing 668 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: which a lot of democratic politicians do, which is you'd 669 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: say a lot of things, but you don't necessarily answer 670 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: questions in a way that might be more of a 671 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: sort of nor won't speak. Do you think that that 672 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: hurts democrats? I want to take the case of Harris 673 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: for a minute. She did some interviews, but really not 674 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: nearly as many as Donald Trump, and when she did, 675 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: she did a similar thing of talking but being. 676 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: Very careful with her words. 677 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that it actually ultimately hurts democratic politicians 678 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: to be so careful with their words. 679 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 6: So I've spent every day of my career delivering results 680 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 6: for the people of Michigan and fighting to make sure 681 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 6: that every voice is heard in our democracy, and every 682 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 6: step of the way, I've thought to ensure that our 683 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 6: government is accountable. I've fought to protect our freedoms against 684 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 6: people who have come to my home with guns to 685 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 6: try to take me off my post. I in my 686 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 6: understand that you Democrats need to do. No, no, no. 687 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 6: What Democrats need to do is deliver the results. And 688 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 6: that's what we have done in Michigan to reform as 689 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 6: Secretary of State's office, to make things work better, to 690 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 6: protect people's rights at the ballot box. So you know, 691 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 6: I'm a professor and an educator by training, and I'm 692 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 6: not a politician. I'm not going to give you talking points. 693 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 6: I'm not going to give you words and buzz words 694 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 6: of the day. I am going to go into the 695 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 6: details about what we're action doing to deliver results for 696 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 6: the people of Michigan and what I would do as governor. 697 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 6: But at the same time, I think the more we 698 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 6: can deliver those results driven experiences for people instead of 699 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 6: just talk, then we can rebuild our party so that 700 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 6: more people can see that we are the party of 701 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 6: getting things done. And I do think governors and state 702 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 6: leaders or unique position to be able to do that. 703 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: No, I know, and I see. I know that you 704 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: were a Dean of Wayne State lawyer, teacher. I want 705 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 1: you to win, and I know that you and Governor 706 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: Wimera have had really horrendous experiences including her I mean 707 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: with the Michigan militia. I mean, there are some, really, 708 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: but I just wonder it's a little more clarity. I 709 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: would love more to hang on to, just a little 710 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: more of the sort of nuts and bolts of the 711 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: experience of a lot of electeds. So what we see 712 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: is that when we do these interviews with electeds, people 713 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: don't really connect a lot of times, and they get 714 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: really low ratings. And I think some of that is 715 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: because they don't feel they get a lot of information. 716 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's helpful at feedback. I appreciate it. 717 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're obviously going to do it, and we need 718 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: to do it, and it's we do academics, we do. 719 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 2: We don't do this for the ratings per se. Like, 720 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 2: I know what you want and I understand that. Look, 721 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: do I want you to be governor? One hundred percent? 722 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: Do I think that you are as smart and as 723 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: competent as anyone running for governor anywhere? 724 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I think that voters want more to 725 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 2: hang on to. 726 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 6: I think what voters want to hang on to, our 727 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 6: leaders are going to drive down the cost of living, 728 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 6: increase their wages and economic opportunity, and make their lives easier. 729 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 6: My office works to meet people where they are, save 730 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 6: them times, save them money, and help them get on 731 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 6: with their day. Whether it's small business leaders we need 732 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 6: to be able to open that small bug business without 733 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 6: having to pay five thousand dollars in regulations and loti 734 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 6: you do so, or homeowners that need to be able 735 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 6: to keep their homes. And what I'm actually hearing from 736 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 6: the people of Michigan is that they want leaders who 737 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 6: are going to get stuff done. And that's what I've 738 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 6: done throughout my career proudly, regardless of who and how 739 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,240 Speaker 6: powerful the person is who tries to stand up miling. 740 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 2: It's a good point. 741 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: So give us one last thing about what you learned 742 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: writing this book. 743 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 6: Well, I think first, no one has the power to 744 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 6: define who we are. Only we have that power. And 745 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 6: even in challenging, uncertain moments, we always have that power 746 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 6: to decide how we'll respond to turbulent times and what 747 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 6: we're going to do. So what this book really is 748 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 6: actually is a call to action for every American citizen 749 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 6: in this moment to stand up and be warriors on 750 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 6: behalf of ourselves those we love in the communities we 751 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 6: call home. That's what it's going to take to really 752 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 6: restore our country and rebuild our economy. And my hope 753 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 6: is that readers in this book will learn from me 754 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 6: about how I've learned to choose courage over fear, how 755 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 6: I've learned to be resilient and persevere in the face 756 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,320 Speaker 6: of great tragedy, and in doing so we can together 757 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 6: build a community of warriors who can help restore our 758 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 6: country and truly make it great. 759 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, great point. Thank you so much for joining us. 760 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 6: Thanks for having me. 761 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 2: No moment, Rick Wilson. 762 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 6: Mollie john Fast, what is your moment of fuck ray? 763 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 5: That would be Pope Flatulus, the first Donald Trump tell. 764 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 2: Us why you have fit? This moment is your. 765 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 5: Moment I find Look, I America is a nation founded 766 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 5: on religious diversity. And I know the word the d 767 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 5: word offends the magi at scale, but it really legitimately 768 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 5: was founded on religious diversity. Go back and read George 769 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 5: Washington's letter to the Connecticut Synagogue. 770 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure they're going to be doing that. 771 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 4: I'm sure they're going to dig that right up. 772 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 5: But he talked about freedom of religion as far back 773 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 5: as that, and for the MAGA is one of their 774 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 5: articles of fate for the last few years haha has 775 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 5: been how dare you insult our Christian faith? And then 776 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 5: Donald Trump posts a picture of himself as the next 777 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 5: Pope from the official White House Twitter account. I don't 778 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 5: know how hot the hinges of Hell are. It's a 779 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 5: phrase we use here in the South right frequently, but 780 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 5: I suspect if that doesn't qualify as full on white 781 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 5: hot blasphemy. 782 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 4: I don't know what. 783 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 2: Does Rick Wilson white hot blasphemy. 784 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,280 Speaker 4: Watch the documentary Conclave in the Near Future in Conclave 785 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 4: Too Electric Boogaloo. 786 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 787 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 788 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. 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