WEBVTT - Episode 1: Email My Heart

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<v Speaker 1>Hi there. Before this episode begins, I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you know that this series gets into some things

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<v Speaker 1>that might be triggering to some listeners, specifically depression and suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>If you or someone you know is struggling with suicidal thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>please seek assistance from a mental health professional, or visit

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<v Speaker 1>If you're currently in crisis, you can call one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>to seven three talk that's eight to five, or text

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<v Speaker 1>Hello to seven one seven for one to speak to

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<v Speaker 1>someone immediately. Thanks for listening. Oh yeah, I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think. I really don't think Britney Spears would

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<v Speaker 1>go on a tiny jet and talk to you you. But

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't a doubt it. I'm Chris Studman and

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<v Speaker 1>this is unread episode one. Email my heart, call them

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<v Speaker 1>back all the little clothes, open threats. That's still same

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<v Speaker 1>for you. I gathered in sen deviceces faceco breaking the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes floor too so fast. Now. I hope you're having

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<v Speaker 1>a great day. I'm going to camping today. We actually

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only going hiking. See, I'm just a guy guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go to a pay type racks and in

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<v Speaker 1>one weekend manish in those Spears before a last me days.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I get a want? What? What? Why? That's my

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<v Speaker 1>friend alex In. We spoke over the phone and texted often,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also loved to send me life updates via

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<v Speaker 1>video message, little dispatches from his world. Like most of

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<v Speaker 1>his updates, this one included some news about Britney Spears,

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<v Speaker 1>the pop princess we both loved, who was in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of her very successful Las Vegas residency. Piece of me.

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<v Speaker 1>This is probably obvious, but yes, his voice is altered

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<v Speaker 1>by an Instagram filter in that video. Here he is

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<v Speaker 1>without a filter from another video message he sent me,

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<v Speaker 1>this one four years later. Oh we're rolling well. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to wish you a happy birthday. You

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<v Speaker 1>know this is a big year for you. Whoo whoop whoop? Whoop?

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<v Speaker 1>Whoop whoop? Can I get a whoop? Whoop? Can I

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<v Speaker 1>get a whoo whoop? I just got a whoop whoop?

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<v Speaker 1>Too much? Some people thought Alex was, as he said,

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<v Speaker 1>too much, but me I couldn't get enough of his intensity,

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<v Speaker 1>his zeal for life. As someone who sometimes struggles to

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<v Speaker 1>embrace my own passions or interests to be myself. A

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<v Speaker 1>big part of what drew me to Alex when we

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<v Speaker 1>first met back in two thousand nine was how much

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<v Speaker 1>he was truly himself. Some people, though, definitely made him

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<v Speaker 1>feel like he was too much. It was a thing

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<v Speaker 1>he and his sister show she connected over. Both my

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<v Speaker 1>mom and my dad and Alex Andy all have dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with mental illness issues our whole life. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>just knowing that there's a stigma makes you feel different

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<v Speaker 1>and like an outsider and like you're too much for

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<v Speaker 1>people to handle, and that gets into your psyche and

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<v Speaker 1>it starts to wear on your confidence. Even the most

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<v Speaker 1>confident person in the world like Alex. You know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like eventually you hear it enough and you start to

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself to be true, you know. But anyone who

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<v Speaker 1>thought that about Alex didn't see the full picture. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot in all the best ways. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot because he chased his joy, went all in

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<v Speaker 1>on it. He was a prolific creator of the dumbest memes.

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<v Speaker 1>A viral red carpet photo of Dakota Fanning grimacing uncomfortably

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<v Speaker 1>would be fodder for weeks. Sample caption when he's been

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<v Speaker 1>your boyfriend for two days and says he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>open the relationship. Then there were his infamous Taco Bell orders.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd list one of them, but we'd be here all day.

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<v Speaker 1>Just know it came out to about seventy nine dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which is hard to do it Taco Bell. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was utterly obsessed with roller coasters. When visiting my home

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<v Speaker 1>state of Minnesota with me, he practically belined for the

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<v Speaker 1>indoor coasters at the Mall of America. When Alex loved something,

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<v Speaker 1>a hobby, a joke, a topic, he loved it hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It consumed him. This was especially true of the people

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<v Speaker 1>Alex loved. He loved me hard, especially from ten to

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<v Speaker 1>a difficult few years of transition and change for me.

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<v Speaker 1>During that time. He was always sending little videos or messages,

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<v Speaker 1>things intended to put a smile on my face and

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<v Speaker 1>remind me I was loved. But I don't think he

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<v Speaker 1>loved anyone, not me, not his sister or parents, not

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<v Speaker 1>his best friends since childhood, no one harder than he

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<v Speaker 1>loved Britney Spears. When I say Alex loved Brittany, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mean he saw her in concert every tour or

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<v Speaker 1>his wall was plastered with posters and magazine cutouts. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>sure he knew every obscure fact about her, had entire

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<v Speaker 1>folders of photos of her on his laptop, had memorized

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<v Speaker 1>the choreography to all of her music videos. But even

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<v Speaker 1>that isn't really what I mean. What I really mean

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<v Speaker 1>is that he identified with her, felt he understood her,

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<v Speaker 1>felt her path in life had been like his in

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<v Speaker 1>some way, even though their lives were very different in

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<v Speaker 1>all of the obvious surface level respects, or, as Alex

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<v Speaker 1>would probably put it, even though he was much much

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<v Speaker 1>hairier than her. Well, first of all, he loved her

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<v Speaker 1>music first and foremost loved her music. That's Alex's best friend, Lexie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he loved just her innocence, how she is

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<v Speaker 1>such a sweet person and this megastar. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that like he sort of, like everybody else, idolizes her,

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<v Speaker 1>but then also sees she's a real person and felt

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<v Speaker 1>like deeply connected to that aspect of her. And he

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<v Speaker 1>loved the fact that she was so real, despite the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that she was like this mega star and iconic,

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<v Speaker 1>she had faults, like a real person. She loved McDonald,

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<v Speaker 1>her life choices, were like not only hilarious and entertaining

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<v Speaker 1>to him, but also so relatable and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that he loved that, like she could embody

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<v Speaker 1>all these different things at once, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he related to that too, and her struggles with

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<v Speaker 1>mental health. I think he felt deeply connected to and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that he felt like he knew her and

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<v Speaker 1>that they were friends or something. You know. Alex's relationships

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<v Speaker 1>with the people he loved most could be fraught. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>easily fall out of touch or even cut people off

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<v Speaker 1>completely sometimes. And though he and I didn't fight much,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm from Minnesota, a land of notoriously conflict avoidant people.

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<v Speaker 1>We could go periods without talking to. But while some

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<v Speaker 1>of his closest relationships ebbed and flowed, Brittany was his constant.

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<v Speaker 1>His adoration of her never wavered. She was the great,

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<v Speaker 1>unchanging love of his life. M found now the going

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<v Speaker 1>I know you kind of glue what to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the check what you are, what you are saying? That's

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<v Speaker 1>Alex singing Britney song Womanizer. Over the years, he sent

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<v Speaker 1>me so many clips of him singing Brittaney songs, or

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<v Speaker 1>even more often doing the choreography from her music videos.

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<v Speaker 1>I once tweeted out a compilation of video clips of

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<v Speaker 1>him performing the choreography from the music video for Britney

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<v Speaker 1>single Work Bitch, with his permission and encouragement. The compilation

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<v Speaker 1>is incredible, and it's also hilarious. In some of the clips,

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing the choreography in front of a gigantic canyon

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<v Speaker 1>and commands your attention away from the awesome view. In others,

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<v Speaker 1>he's wearing a terrible cheap wig and makes it look glamorous.

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<v Speaker 1>In another, he's sitting in the back of a movie

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<v Speaker 1>pickup truck, not the backseat, the bed of the truck,

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<v Speaker 1>and still doing the choreography flawlessly. Don't try this at home.

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite of the clips, though, is one where he's

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<v Speaker 1>house in dogs sitting for someone, and the dogs he's

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<v Speaker 1>watching keep getting in the way, especially when he gets

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<v Speaker 1>to the part of the choreography that calls for floor work.

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<v Speaker 1>He keeps moving through the routine even as dogtails swat

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<v Speaker 1>his face. Alex was pretty much always thinking about Brittany,

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<v Speaker 1>her heart, her life, her very public struggles. He knew

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<v Speaker 1>her moves, her music, the events of her career inside

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<v Speaker 1>out for you Britney fans. Yes, that's a reference. Alex

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<v Speaker 1>was obsessed with working her song titles into everyday conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like he cared about her as much as

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<v Speaker 1>he cared about himself. I'm sure you've noticed that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Alex in the past tense. Well. He could

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<v Speaker 1>get through the choreography to work Bitch without stumbling, matter

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<v Speaker 1>what obstacles, Dogtail or otherwise got in his way. The

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<v Speaker 1>obstacles of his life proved a lot more challenging. As

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<v Speaker 1>much space as Brittany took up in his head, something

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<v Speaker 1>else loomed even larger, his depression. He would get on

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<v Speaker 1>top of it, sometimes even for extended stretches, times when

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<v Speaker 1>he would seem like he was getting better, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was always there, waiting to pull him back down. One

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<v Speaker 1>December evening in I received a message that changed my

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<v Speaker 1>life forever, a message that would send me on the

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<v Speaker 1>journey I'm on now. It was a week after I

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<v Speaker 1>turned in my second book to my editor and got

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<v Speaker 1>back online after a three month social media break. I

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<v Speaker 1>was in my tiny studio apartment, cherishing the first three

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<v Speaker 1>days I had had in months. I sat at the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen counter, my dog tuna asleep on the bed a

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<v Speaker 1>few feet away. As I mindlessly scrolled through Twitter, I

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<v Speaker 1>noticed an unread email from a few minutes earlier, delivered

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<v Speaker 1>at seven pm exactly. It was from Alex, who I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard from all year, the longest we've ever gone

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<v Speaker 1>without talking. Actually, I had felt a steady drip of

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<v Speaker 1>worry over his prolonged absence, for sure, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>struggling with some major obstacles of my own at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and for Alex disappearing was not unheard of. It was concerning,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also felt kind of par for the course

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<v Speaker 1>another one of his off the grid periods. Seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>emails subject line my name repeated three times, all in

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<v Speaker 1>lower case Chris. Chris. Chris filled me with a strange

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<v Speaker 1>mix of relief, finally a sign of him, and also dread.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this an email to tell me off for being absent?

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<v Speaker 1>I wondered, for being a bad friend. But it wasn't that, Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>The email began. Listen, I'm writing to let you know

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<v Speaker 1>that when you receive this scheduled email, I will no

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<v Speaker 1>longer be alive. At first, I couldn't even make sense

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<v Speaker 1>of what I was reading. I just sat in front

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<v Speaker 1>of my computer frozen. When I felt like I could

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<v Speaker 1>move again, I emailed him back right away. I love

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<v Speaker 1>you so fucking much, I wrote, I've been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>reach you. I really hope you see this. Please call me.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I grabbed my phone, scrolled to his contact and

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<v Speaker 1>hit call. Maybe he changed his mind, Maybe he forgot

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<v Speaker 1>to cancel this email. Maybe he was dying but not

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<v Speaker 1>dead and I could intervene. I had to at least try.

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<v Speaker 1>When I couldn't reach him over the phone, I texted

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<v Speaker 1>my friend Carrie. I didn't know what to do next,

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<v Speaker 1>and frankly, I needed someone outside the situation to confirm

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<v Speaker 1>that this was really happening. Kerry, who's a talented investigative journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>offered to help arrange a wellness check, but as I

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<v Speaker 1>spoke with her, I realized that, despite my once frequent

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<v Speaker 1>contact with Alex, I had no idea what his current

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<v Speaker 1>address even was. I found a photo he had sent

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<v Speaker 1>me of a letter from the city about a parking ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>and after zooming in, I deciphered the address. With that

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<v Speaker 1>in hand, Carrie helped me reach the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline,

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<v Speaker 1>whose volunteers calmly offered to help send someone to check

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<v Speaker 1>at the address. He hadn't lived there in months, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and the new residents had no clue where he had gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Feeling out of options, I sat there rereading his email

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<v Speaker 1>over and over, looking for any sort of clue in

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<v Speaker 1>it that he might be okay, while messaging anyone I

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<v Speaker 1>could find, his friend Beth, who he had connected me

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<v Speaker 1>with over Twitter, strangers he was tagged in photos with

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram, anyone I could find online, trying to locate

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<v Speaker 1>someone who could track him down and tell me it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't true. As I did that, Carrie worked to find

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<v Speaker 1>his family's contact information online, and I would eventually reach

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<v Speaker 1>them by the end of the night. But in the

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<v Speaker 1>time in between, while I waited to hear back from someone, anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>I paced the tight space between my computer and my

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<v Speaker 1>bad nauseous, before collapsing onto my sheets, wrapping Tuna in

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<v Speaker 1>my arms and refusing to let go. They wouldn't find

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<v Speaker 1>his body for another day, but as I held my

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<v Speaker 1>normally very aloof dog close, I knew that Alex was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Even now, the immensity of what I felt in that

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<v Speaker 1>moment evades words. It was the thing Alex sometimes feared

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<v Speaker 1>he was. It was too much. Outside of the shock

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<v Speaker 1>of its very existence. Much of Alex's goodbye email to

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<v Speaker 1>me was unsurprising. He even did his signature thing of

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<v Speaker 1>working Brittany references into the text. But near the end

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<v Speaker 1>of his email, almost as a kind of afterthought, was

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<v Speaker 1>a SoundCloud link. Oh, he wrote, here's Alice Recordings. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't click the link in the overwhelming panic of that

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<v Speaker 1>first night, but the next day I followed it to

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<v Speaker 1>a private SoundCloud page, one only accessible to someone given

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<v Speaker 1>the link. The page was simple, just two audio files.

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<v Speaker 1>The account's display name was all in lower case Hillary

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<v Speaker 1>d I assume for the Disney star and musician Hillary Duff.

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<v Speaker 1>He loved using celebrity names for random things like this.

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<v Speaker 1>One time he created a profile on Venmo under the

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<v Speaker 1>name Nicole Ritchie and used it to send me three

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<v Speaker 1>cents out of the blue, just so I'd get a

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<v Speaker 1>notification that Nicole Ritchie had sent me money. In the

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<v Speaker 1>space where you put with the payments for he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>Savage Garden c D. The first of the two audio

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<v Speaker 1>files had Part two in the file name, even though

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<v Speaker 1>there was no sign of a part one. Very Alex,

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<v Speaker 1>I hit play on the second clip, the one that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't say part in case it was part one, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing I heard was her my Twitter. My

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter is Banana Alan and I created it today and

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<v Speaker 1>um Banana Allen Alice. Hearing her that voice, that laugh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was immediately flooded with memories of Alex telling me

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<v Speaker 1>about her, this mysterious figure he met online, A mysterious

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<v Speaker 1>figure who happens to sound eerily similar to Britney Spears. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't understand. I don't think. I really don't think

0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Britney Spears would go on a tiny chat and talking

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<v Speaker 1>to her. I really don't doubt it. Alex had told

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<v Speaker 1>me about Alice, but before receiving his goodbye email, I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't thought about her in years. For a period of

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<v Speaker 1>time in the early Alice would appear in online spaces

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<v Speaker 1>frequented by obsessed Britney fans, talking with them in a

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<v Speaker 1>voice chat room and tweeting under the handle Banana Alice

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<v Speaker 1>Banana as in the name of the snake used in

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<v Speaker 1>Brittany's iconic two thous performance. Alice would coyly deny being

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<v Speaker 1>Brittany when asked, before laughing exactly like the elusive pop star.

0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that was Alice. Here's Brittany. Brittany laughs

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, and her laughter is infectious, but there have

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<v Speaker 1>been stretches where her fans have gone without hearing it

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<v Speaker 1>as much, especially since two thousand seven, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most tumultuous years of her career. In two thousand seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Brittany was everywhere, on the cover of every celebrity magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>the top of every gossip blog. Cable news covered her

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<v Speaker 1>every move, every outing, every court date, every outrageous joke

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<v Speaker 1>she made to whichever member of the paparazzi was within

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<v Speaker 1>earshot to make a turn out. What would they let

0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.000
<v Speaker 1>you in Britney? What do you think, Air, I mean

0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I can get on the hop? Yeah right. This time

0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.720
<v Speaker 1>in Britney's life is seared in the minds of those

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<v Speaker 1>of us who came of age with her. The custody battles,

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<v Speaker 1>head shaving, supposedly disastrous Vimes performance of Give Me More,

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<v Speaker 1>which for the record, I really enjoyed, and all the

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<v Speaker 1>signs of distress that talk show hosts and comedians used

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<v Speaker 1>as low hanging joke fodder. You know, Britney still thinks

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<v Speaker 1>the earth is flat, We're going to tune in to

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<v Speaker 1>see her, you know, if she can sort of function

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<v Speaker 1>through the thing right, something Britney Spears has lost in

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<v Speaker 1>the past year. Her eyes were open, her lips were moving,

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<v Speaker 1>She remade conscious the entire time. It was the greatest

0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.240
<v Speaker 1>impression of an office worker embarrassing themselves at a holiday

0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:03.879
<v Speaker 1>party I have ever seen. Brittany emerged with a bang

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<v Speaker 1>as the biggest star in the world, but less than

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<v Speaker 1>a decade later, to the world she was coming undone.

0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Newspapers readied her obituary to go to press at a

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<v Speaker 1>moment's notice, as the public settled in with popcorn to

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<v Speaker 1>witness the spectacle of her dark night of the soul.

0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:26.320
<v Speaker 1>While much of the world pointed and laughed, this difficult

0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.760
<v Speaker 1>time in Brittany's life had a different impact on some.

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<v Speaker 1>It not only endeared her to many of her already

0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:38.199
<v Speaker 1>adoring fans, it also cracked open the hard exterior of

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<v Speaker 1>some people like me, who either hadn't paid her much

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<v Speaker 1>notice or had even dismissed her growing up. We became

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<v Speaker 1>invested in her and her well being after seeing her struggle.

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:54.159
<v Speaker 1>We watched in worry as she spiraled and felt immense

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<v Speaker 1>joy as she seemed to climb her way back out.

0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Alice denied being Brittany, but some of the fans who

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<v Speaker 1>spent full days on Brittany fan forums were convinced otherwise

0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:09.360
<v Speaker 1>because of her voice, but also smaller things, subtle mannerisms,

0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.720
<v Speaker 1>little moments that betrayed a vulnerability like the kind they

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<v Speaker 1>saw in Brittany. And these were the fans, like Alex,

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<v Speaker 1>who felt that they knew Brittany best. The prospect that

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<v Speaker 1>Alice and Brittany were one and the same would have

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<v Speaker 1>been thrilling. Here perhaps was a chance to connect with

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:34.119
<v Speaker 1>the unreachable star that they felt they already knew. Even

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<v Speaker 1>I have to admit, Alice sounds just like Brittany. The light,

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<v Speaker 1>vocal fry, the playful candor, every word almost like a wink.

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<v Speaker 1>If I ever said her name, yeah, would I continued

0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.840
<v Speaker 1>listening to the audio. At one point, the other people

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<v Speaker 1>in the chat room with Alice begin discussing the rumors that,

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<v Speaker 1>under her strict conservatorship. More on that in a minute,

0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Brittany doesn't have access to a phone or computer, an

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<v Speaker 1>idea that's persisted among many Britney fans for years. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a computer, Uh, I think Brittany knows that computer she

0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:21.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have all, and she didn't have a computer, I'm

0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.199
<v Speaker 1>sure she has like a mac bug or something. Listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this clip, it's strange to hear them talk about

0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Brittany as if she isn't there well at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time knowing some of them think, or at least hope,

0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:37.040
<v Speaker 1>that Alice is Brittany. It's like they're trying to wink

0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:40.520
<v Speaker 1>and nudge her into confessing who she is. The pokes

0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.840
<v Speaker 1>almost work. Alice clears her throat in that clip, like

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.760
<v Speaker 1>she wants to correct them or just remind them that

0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:51.800
<v Speaker 1>she's still there listening, but the winks and nudges continue. So, Alice,

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<v Speaker 1>do people ever think you're Brittany? Like when you're just

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<v Speaker 1>out and about on your daily routine that I think

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<v Speaker 1>your Brittany. Ever? Alice doesn't take the bait though, No,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't look like her at all. They're playing

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of tug of war with Alice, but behind

0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:14.159
<v Speaker 1>the prodding there are serious concerns. This idea that Brittany

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<v Speaker 1>either doesn't know how to work a computer or doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have one at all, is driven by years of speculation

0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:22.600
<v Speaker 1>about Britney's lack of freedom and how isolated she may be.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand eight, Brittany was placed under a conservatorship,

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<v Speaker 1>which put her under the care of her father and

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<v Speaker 1>essentially gave him full legal control over her life, her career,

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<v Speaker 1>and with a co conservator, her finances. If you're not familiar,

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<v Speaker 1>a conservatorship is a legal arrangement typically reserved for people

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<v Speaker 1>living with dementia or a profound mental illness that makes

0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:51.040
<v Speaker 1>everyday functioning difficult. In other words, it's really only instituted

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<v Speaker 1>in the most extreme circumstances where a person cannot care

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<v Speaker 1>for themselves or make sound decisions in their own best interest. Yet,

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<v Speaker 1>less than a year after being placed under her conservatorship,

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Brittany kicked off a massive comeback, reaching heights she hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>since her debut, several number one singles, multiple album releases,

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<v Speaker 1>world tours, and eventually an immensely profitable Las Vegas residency.

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<v Speaker 1>With each passing year of Brittany's conservatorship, her fans grew

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<v Speaker 1>more concerned. They started scouring her social media for clues

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 1>that she was trying to signal displeasure with the arrangement

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.919
<v Speaker 1>to the world, discussing some of her leaked songs like

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<v Speaker 1>Rebellion and trying to decode messages in the lyrics, circulating

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>handwritten notes purportedly authored by Brittany herself early on in

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 1>her conservatorship, in which she says she wants to be

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<v Speaker 1>out of it, tweeting clips from for the Record, a

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<v Speaker 1>documentary produced for her comeback in two thousand eight, which

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<v Speaker 1>is full of moments where Brittney talks about how controlled

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<v Speaker 1>and orchestrated her life feels. Fan concerns reached a fever

0:23:56.400 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 1>pitch in the final year of Alex's life when Brittany

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<v Speaker 1>canceled her second Las Vegas residency not long after it

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<v Speaker 1>was announced and went quiet on social media. Months later,

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<v Speaker 1>it was reported she had checked into a mental health facility,

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<v Speaker 1>and some thought she was made to do so against

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:17.440
<v Speaker 1>her will. There was speculation that her Instagram account, one

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 1>of the few places she seemed to present her unvarnished self,

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:25.760
<v Speaker 1>wasn't run by Brittany anymore. Her captions, for instance, were

0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 1>known for being littered with emojis, but a post after

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 1>checking into the facility featured an out of place, low

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:36.400
<v Speaker 1>fi emoticon. It was a small detail, but to die

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:41.240
<v Speaker 1>hard fans something felt off. From then on, her Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>comments were dominated by people picking apart her posts and

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<v Speaker 1>digging for meaning. Three emojis mean s O S and

0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 1>red always means alarm. If you need help, wear yellow

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>in your next video. Brittany post a picture of a painting.

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<v Speaker 1>Next if you're not okay. See this was posted into December,

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.120
<v Speaker 1>but I think it's really from the trip posted in October.

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 1>There's something with that tree. Guys, She's always near that tree,

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 1>praying for your freedom. You're not alone. We'd love you.

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:17.159
<v Speaker 1>After that, the speculation had gained enough traction that the

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<v Speaker 1>digitally driven Free Brittany movement, once a fringe idea among

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>her most dedicated fans, began breaking into the mainstream. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the Battle over Brittany. Pop star Britney Spears parents faced

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<v Speaker 1>off in court as they fight over conservatorship of their

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:36.879
<v Speaker 1>daughter Leslie Marinez live in downtown l A. With the

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<v Speaker 1>tails on the battle over conservatorship and the fan movement

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>to Free Brittany. By six months after I got Alex's email,

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:51.440
<v Speaker 1>questions about Britney's well being were all over the Internet.

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.959
<v Speaker 1>They reached far beyond a core group of fans like

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 1>those in Alice's chat room, or the handful of protesters

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 1>who picketed conservatorship or at hearings. Even before New York

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Times documentary on Brittany's Conservatorship launched the movement to the

0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:11.679
<v Speaker 1>next level, hashtag free Brittany would regularly trend on Twitter

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 1>and TikTok's suggesting she has no control over her life

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 1>accumulated millions of views. The comments that flood Brittany's Instagram

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>posts now are primarily focused on her well being. They

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>are passionate and mostly sympathetic. By and large, the conversation

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 1>about Britney's mental health looks and feels very different now

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>than it did just a decade ago. When Alex and

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I first bonded over how much we loved her. We

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:43.359
<v Speaker 1>were very defensive of her back then, fiercely protective after

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 1>how much she and her mental health had been ridiculed. Today,

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 1>while far from perfect, public discussions about Brittany at least

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 1>have a lot more of that tenderness that once felt

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>so unique to my conversations with Alex. But while the

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>comments on Brittany's and Graham posts are rife with messages

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 1>from fans inquiring if she's okay, and asking her to

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 1>communicate secret messages by wearing certain colors of clothing. Brittany

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>herself mostly broadcasts her love of dance, does Hallway fashion

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 1>shows full of twirls and hair tosses, and posts wholesome

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 1>themes and Bible verses. She is sharing, but mostly stuff

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>that stays safely at the surface, kind of like how

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Alex would post funny content online while reserving more difficult

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 1>subjects for our phone calls. Scrolling through her Instagram after

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<v Speaker 1>Alex's death, I wonder how okay Brittany really is. And

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<v Speaker 1>like her other fans, I searched her posts for clues,

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:51.120
<v Speaker 1>but I'm looking for something else. Unlike her other fans,

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>I search for hints of another sort, hints that she

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<v Speaker 1>might have known my friend. Would it really be so

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>surprising that a star as reclusive as Brittany, one who

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>has been hurt by the public as much as she has,

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>might go online in search of connection, and that this

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>search could have led her to Alex. If Brittany did

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 1>go seeking anonymous connection, she wouldn't be the first celebrity

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>to do so. There's actually a long history of it.

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Here's Dave Holmes, who as an MTV VJ back in

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>the TRL era had a front row seat to Brittany's

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 1>meteoric rise and the struggles that soon followed. I mean,

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson used to dress up and go door to

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<v Speaker 1>door as a Jehovah's Witness, like in a fat suit

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and prosthetics and stuff like, just to have quote unquote

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>normal conversations with people. Michael Jackson, who grew up as

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a Jehovah's Witness, couldn't connect with anyone about his faith

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>or about anything really without his celebrity getting in the way. Today,

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>thanks to the Internet, famous people have an even easier

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>time flying under the radar when they need to know

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>prosthetics needed. Stars like Donald Glover have spoken about trying

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>to find community online under the relief of anonymity, and

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>he's definitely not alone. For celebrities who want to connect

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and feel normal, the Internet can provide a way to

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>reach out and find people who can see the human

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>behind the hype. For a star as misunderstood as Brittany,

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the appeal seems obvious. I can absolutely see someone like

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 1>her whose face and name and image she's a little

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>bit lost control of talking anonymously to somebody and saying

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<v Speaker 1>what she really thinks, in not having to second guess it,

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<v Speaker 1>and figuring out who she is outside of the industry

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<v Speaker 1>that has sprung up around name. Yeah, I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>that actually seems really healthy. I'm not a global superstar,

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>but I've done the same thing as a closeted queer teenager.

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<v Speaker 1>I sought out Internet strangers who might understand me better

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<v Speaker 1>than the people around me. But I've done this as

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<v Speaker 1>an adult too. More and more of us turned to

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet to experiment with identity, confess our secrets, and

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<v Speaker 1>find consolation. If people in our situations turned to the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet for connection and community, I can only imagine Brittany,

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<v Speaker 1>who is pretty much unable to meet anyone who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>already have all kinds of ideas about who she is,

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<v Speaker 1>might see the Internet as a safe place too. As

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<v Speaker 1>I started thinking about why Brittany might seek out online connection,

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<v Speaker 1>I suddenly remembered that Alex didn't just follow Alice on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter or join in on her group voice chats. He

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<v Speaker 1>also texted with her years ago. He sent me screenshots

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<v Speaker 1>of some of their exchanges. As soon as I remembered this,

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<v Speaker 1>I went back through our texts and found them in

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<v Speaker 1>a near frenzy. The funny, tender snippets of conversation I

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<v Speaker 1>uncovered made me all the more curious about what all

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>they had shared and what sides of Alex Alice saw.

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>After all, as I learned from a small group of

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Alex's friends in the weeks and months after his death,

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<v Speaker 1>we all got different pieces of him. Which pieces of

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<v Speaker 1>Alex did Alice get? Alex would pretend to believe in

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>a number of Brittany fan conspiracies, and you sometimes couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell how serious he was being. He was never one

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<v Speaker 1>to say just kidding after a joke. For example, when

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<v Speaker 1>he sent me that video message wishing me a happy birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to wish you a happy birthday. It

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<v Speaker 1>was actually my thirty one. But based on what he

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<v Speaker 1>told me and the significance of him including a link

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<v Speaker 1>to these audio files and his goodbye email, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Alex might have really thought that Alice was Brittany. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>my friends are always making fun of me for being

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<v Speaker 1>irritating Lee skeptical. They're not wrong. It's an annoyingly large

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<v Speaker 1>part of my personality. This is true on a very

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<v Speaker 1>superficial level. I worked in atheism for my entire twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>like working on atheists stuff at Harvard and Yale, directing

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>an atheist nonprofit, going on cable news to talk about

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 1>being an atheist, writing a book on atheism. I'm not kidding.

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I was literally a professional skeptic, and though it's no

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<v Speaker 1>longer the full time focus of my career, I continue

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<v Speaker 1>to be driven by a skeptical impulse in my work

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<v Speaker 1>today as a professor in a department of religion and

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy and a writer on Internet culture. But I'm also

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>just pretty skeptical in general. This can be harmless. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always forced to walk at the front anytime a

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>friend group goes through a haunted house because I have

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest time suspending my disbelief that these aren't just

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>teenagers and cheap masks jumping out from behind even cheaper props.

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>But my skepticism also gets in the way. Sometimes I

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>questioned myself and my own thinking a lot, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have a hard time putting my faith in anything but

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the idea that Alex might have had faith in Alice.

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>It gives me pause. Whoever she was, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>understand why she compelled him. I want to see what

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>he saw in her. In the weeks following Alex's email,

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<v Speaker 1>I ran an online fundraiser so his body could be

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<v Speaker 1>claimed and his cremation paid for, and I worked with

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<v Speaker 1>show She and Lexi to plan his memorial or memory whole,

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.240
<v Speaker 1>as I jokingly proposed, we call it in a moment

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:44.239
<v Speaker 1>of severe sleep deprivation. Unfortunately, they loved it and so

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>we used it, which was fitting. It's genuinely what Alex

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<v Speaker 1>would have called it himself. I did all this because

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<v Speaker 1>I loved Alex and I wanted to help, but also

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<v Speaker 1>because I was trying to stay busy and keep moving

0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 1>as much as I could. If I am a ghost,

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Alex wrote in his email to me, I will come

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 1>say hello and will always be a friendly ghost like Casper.

0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:13.919
<v Speaker 1>But Harry, I won't hunt you unless you're being mean,

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 1>or if you're like abusing a dog. I haven't seen

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>or sensed Alex since he died, but I am haunted

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:26.319
<v Speaker 1>by Alex's death and by the questions it left. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so lucky to have his email this goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>It answers questions so many people are left with when

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<v Speaker 1>someone dies, especially when someone dies by suicide. But still

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 1>there's so much unknown. If only I could explain, Alex wrote,

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>but he couldn't. The questions that linger are ones his

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:51.320
<v Speaker 1>email could never answer. But in those first weeks after

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 1>his death, I couldn't help but wonder or hope if

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps Alice could. Wondering if Alice could help answer my

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:05.240
<v Speaker 1>sans about Alex gives rise to others. Brittany, like Alex,

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 1>had been told by the world that she is too much,

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>that she feels too much, does too much, wants too much,

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:17.720
<v Speaker 1>that she should be less, smaller, quieter, which is another

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>way of saying that she should be a different person altogether.

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 1>If Alex really was talking to Brittany, as far fetched

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:28.240
<v Speaker 1>as that may sound, did he make her feel valid

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the same thing Alex did for me. In one of

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the texts Alex sent me a screenshot of years ago,

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>during an exchange about their mental health, Alice said to Alex,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never met anyone who I can relate to on

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>this level. I'm curious what else they shared. Did she

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<v Speaker 1>know he was going to end his life? Does she

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 1>even know he's gone? Could she help me understand my

0:35:56.120 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 1>friend better? I went back to the SoundCloud clips he

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>sent several more times replaying them again and again, especially

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the spots where it's just Alex and Alice talking. Yeah,

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.879
<v Speaker 1>an echo? I don't hear an echo? How do you call?

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you have like a like an app? Or whatever?

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Form my fun Before long I began to feel like

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 1>one of Britney's Instagram followers, obsessively trying to connect the dots.

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Why was there an echo? Why was Alex asking about

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>a calling app? Eventually, though, my skepticism started to come back.

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe Alice was just another joke Alex didn't say just

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>kidding after Maybe he didn't believe in her at all

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 1>and I just couldn't see it. Maybe there were other

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.360
<v Speaker 1>things I missed along the way too. Why didn't I

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:55.800
<v Speaker 1>know that Alex had gone to such a dark place

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 1>in the final year of his life. Why didn't I

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 1>ask him more questions, not about Alice, but about how

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>he was doing when I had the chance. I can't

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>ask Alex anymore, so if I want answers, I'll need

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:14.319
<v Speaker 1>to ask someone else. Maybe this is why. In the

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 1>days after Alex's death, as I mourned my friend and

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>tried to make sense of what happened, I kept coming

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 1>back to my questions about this person with a laugh

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 1>that sounds just like our idols. Who is she? Is

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 1>it Brittany doesn't matter? Can I find her next time

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 1>on Unread? Do you feel like that name of like

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie and always study in Philadelphia in the office, like

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>surrounded by like putting strings in one of my favorite

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.239
<v Speaker 1>memes ever. And that's kind of how I picture you

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<v Speaker 1>making this podcast.