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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 2: you hanging out with us. Well, they had a debate, Buck,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that it changed anything. We are going

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Speaker 2: to react. We'll open up the phone lines. Our only

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Speaker 2: guest today Carol Markowitz, who was front and center last

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Speaker 2: night at the Ronald Reagan debate, and we'll see what

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Speaker 2: she thought from on the scene coverage there. She's going

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Speaker 2: to join us about halfway through the show. But Buck,

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Speaker 2: here's my big takeaway, and I'm curious how you would react.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, like I said, open phone lines,

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Speaker 2: if you watch the debate, you can react as well.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred and two A two two eight A two.

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Speaker 2: We said going into this debate that really the big

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Speaker 2: picture question here is is there going to be somebody

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Speaker 2: that goes toe to toe with Donald Trump and everybody

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Speaker 2: out there has to kind of everybody else has to

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Speaker 2: drop out? Is there that willingness to do it? My

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Speaker 2: biggest takeaway here is, and it's what I thought would

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Speaker 2: likely be the case. There are two people, it seems

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Speaker 2: to me, who are viable alternatives to Trump that could

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Speaker 2: be left standing throwing haymakers at him. Coming out of

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Speaker 2: this debate, I think it is Ron DeSantis, obviously the

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Speaker 2: governor of Florida, and Nicki Haley. I thought Doug Bergham

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Speaker 2: had a really good debate. I thought that there was

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Speaker 2: a clear top four to me, regardless of how you

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Speaker 2: would assess everybody else, in no particular order, DeSantis, Vivaik,

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Speaker 2: Haley and Bergham and Burgham doesn't really have a chance

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Speaker 2: to be the nominee. But I was really impressed with

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Speaker 2: him and how logical and consistent he was. Mike Pence,

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Speaker 2: I thought was totally he's an factor. He's done and

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Speaker 2: he has been for some time. But I thought even

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Speaker 2: more so on the stage, Chris Christy, he's running. I

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Speaker 2: thought you said it. I went and looked at your

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Speaker 2: reactions to Buck. I thought you said it, Well, there's

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Speaker 2: two guys on the stage that hate Trump, and that's

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Speaker 2: why they're running. Pins and Christie like they don't have

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Speaker 2: a chance to actually be the nominee. And then and

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Speaker 2: so that's kind of my big takeaway is how would

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Speaker 2: you assess before we dive into the general discussion, what

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Speaker 2: was your biggest takeaway from last night.

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Speaker 3: I mean I watched the debate like everyone well not

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Speaker 3: like everyone else, but like so many others, and my

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Speaker 3: takeaway was, there are three people who are running for

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Speaker 3: cabinet positions. Realistically, there are two people who are running

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Speaker 3: out of anti Trump animis. They hate Trump and they

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Speaker 3: want a chance to take public shots at him. There's

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Speaker 3: one person who's just trying to get people to know

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Speaker 3: his name, and there's one person who really thinks that

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Speaker 3: he should be president and can win.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think that pretty much lines up with your assessment

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Speaker 3: to Clay, except you're putting Nicki Haley in alongside the

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Speaker 3: one person who I think is still trying to really

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Speaker 3: be president is Ron DeSantis. Yeah, you're putting Nicki Haley

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Speaker 3: I'm persuadable to that. I certainly think Nikki Haley believes

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Speaker 3: that she could win this thing. Now, whether or not

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Speaker 3: that could actually happen, it is interesting. There's some polling

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Speaker 3: that and her team this is their primary point in

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Speaker 3: her favor really, that she does very well against Biden.

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Speaker 3: There is some point yeah, yeah, that and so we

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Speaker 3: always talk about, oh, the only person who can beat

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Speaker 3: Biden is and a lot of people think they know

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Speaker 3: are very very indicative that Nicki Haley might be weak

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Speaker 3: in the primary but strong in the general. And that

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Speaker 3: used to be more of a conventional political wisdom, right

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Speaker 3: election candidates. So anyway, so my breakdown to just to summarize, was,

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Speaker 3: I think Ron DeSantis is still running for president.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into it.

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Speaker 3: I think he had one really good moment last night,

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Speaker 3: hear your take on the Nicky Haley Vivike stuff.

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Speaker 2: That cut, that cut, heisty, that got a little that

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if Vicky Haley helped yourself at

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Speaker 3: all in that regard, but I think that Viveke, Nicki,

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Speaker 3: and you know, they're like the attention. Bergham obviously is like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: So here's here's the question, and we agree in many respects.

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Speaker 2: I felt like the debate itself was a lot of

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Speaker 2: parody in a sports context, It's like everybody's like, it's

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Speaker 2: then to me, the question now is let's take a

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Speaker 2: step back and think about what Democrats did in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Democrats came out of Iowa and New Hampshire buck and

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Speaker 2: they were a total mess. And Bernie was actually in

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Speaker 2: And then as they got ready for South Carolina. Basically,

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Speaker 2: the Democrat powerbrokers said Biden's the guy. Everybody else is done,

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Speaker 2: and it just ended. Democrats rigged the game for Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden to be the nominee, and then COVID happened and

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Speaker 2: like everything kind of fell apart, but Biden won in

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Speaker 2: South Carolina and it was like, Okay, then you go

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Speaker 2: into Super Tuesday, this thing's over. Biden's the guy. If

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Speaker 2: you are of the opinion that Trump should be beaten,

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Speaker 2: as about let's say half of the Republican electorate right

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Speaker 2: now in the primary is then everybody else has to

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Speaker 2: drop out except for about two or three people, and

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Speaker 2: Iowa needs to be This is my opinion. Iowa needs

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Speaker 2: to be a race of like there's four or five

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Speaker 2: there needs to be one candidate basically running against Trump.

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Speaker 2: If your goal is to beat Trump. Now, I know

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Speaker 2: there's lots of Trump people out there who were saying

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Speaker 2: nobody's going to be Trump, and I certainly can understand that.

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Speaker 2: I can work the math with you. But that is

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Speaker 2: the question for me because why would Vivek drop out,

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Speaker 2: I think that they're all going to stay in, and

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Speaker 2: as a result, this is never going to be close,

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Speaker 2: and Trump's going to be the nominee. Yes, I don't agree.

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Speaker 3: And for the people, we got a lot of people

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Speaker 3: I mean not sorry, not Pens DeSantis, Haley and actually

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Speaker 3: some Tim Scott people who listen to the show, you know,

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Speaker 3: they'll reach out and they'll say, guys, it's not over.

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Speaker 2: It's not over.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely not over. The contest hasn't even really begun.

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Speaker 3: Not a single vote has been cast. We're assessing the

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Speaker 3: dynamics as they stand today, and the dynamic right now

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Speaker 3: is Trump appears invincible and or insurmountable. But that is

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Speaker 3: an appearance that is not a reality that can change,

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Speaker 3: and we leave open that possibility.

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Speaker 2: This is why we have a primary.

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Speaker 3: All of you and of course Clay and I, in

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Speaker 3: our individual capacities, get to go and vote in the

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Speaker 2: Party will be.

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Speaker 3: All of that said, the debate last night, it came

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Speaker 3: off as cacafanis.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good word. Yeah, thank you, sir.

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Speaker 3: It came off as a little too, I think a

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Speaker 3: little more aggressive than it should have, a little more,

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Speaker 3: a little more tension than there should have been in

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Speaker 3: some different places. It's I'm not I'm not trying to

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Speaker 3: which was not helpful. And she was also asking woke

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Speaker 3: I mean that's just a statement of fact. I meant

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Speaker 3: of people can get very sensitive about that. But I

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Speaker 2: Was the Univision Univision employee, your Univision cayl deroone, I believe, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: She was hard to understand, and that wasn't helpful. And

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Speaker 3: and then I think in a few other places there

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Speaker 3: fifth grade soccer for anybody. So I've coached soccer, I've

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Speaker 2: They'll actually going to work on some tax My wife

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Speaker 2: is coaching third grade soccer right now. Very cool. I

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Speaker 3: That that's awesome, but she she could speak to this.

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Speaker 3: When you're the third grade, it's usually.

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Speaker 2: Everyone just clusters around the ball like you.

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Speaker 2: So there's something a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit undermining about that. I watched did you watch Trump

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Speaker 2: I watched. I not watched it. I watched it.

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Speaker 3: Look, he's so comfortable being the showman. And you know

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Speaker 3: one thing that I don't think we've really factored into

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Speaker 3: discussed yet because I often say, Clay, look, the incumbency

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Speaker 2: I was already the guy. Yeah, I already had the job.

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Speaker 3: Like, we haven't come across that very often where a

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Speaker 3: But it's not hard to see, you know, when you've

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Speaker 3: been to the big game, it's not hard to think

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Speaker 3: I think there's there's just a perception, a perception aspect

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Speaker 3: there where Trump's standing up there and he's just like, guys,

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Speaker 3: I'm the guy. He looked very comfortable giving his speech.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Buck, we'll play some of these clips for

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Speaker 2: those of you who didn't watch out there. The other thing,

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Speaker 2: I thought, you know, big picture on the on the debate,

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Speaker 2: I thought, you're right, cacafidens is the right word. It

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Speaker 1: Inspiring you to seek out the truth the Clay Travis

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 2: of you hanging out with us. We were rolling through

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Speaker 2: reacting to the second Republican debate last night. I would

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Speaker 2: say this was for me, Buck the biggest fireworks moment

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Speaker 2: from the debate. Nicki Haley does not like Vivek Ramaswami,

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Speaker 2: think Viveke saying that everybody but him on the stage

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Speaker 2: in hating Viveke. Not that there's anything wrong necessarily with

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Speaker 3: The only idea that I could remember from last night

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Speaker 3: We'll play that at some point too. He articulates it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of people who are claiming Viveke

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Speaker 3: are actually what do you call it? A Matt mashup

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Speaker 3: of the Veke lines and Barack Obama lines.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen this?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I haven't said. I saw that. I saw the headline.

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Speaker 2: I didn't click on it, but I saw it trending

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Speaker 3: Mean, Vivek is using lines that are Obama lines at

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Speaker 3: different points, you know about I'm just saying like this

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Speaker 3: is this is now He'll I'm sure he would say

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Speaker 3: that's been a little bit of a challenge for him

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Speaker 2: I like Viveke.

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Speaker 3: I think he's smart, but I feel like a lot

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Speaker 3: you know, like tone of downald. This was a criticism

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Speaker 3: actually of Ted Cruz when he was running in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: I remember Russia actually said this too, But people were

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Speaker 3: that would be I think the challenge that he has.

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Speaker 2: But the Nicky Haley thing, because I know we want

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Speaker 3: I know I'm going on here, but the Nicki Haley thing,

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Speaker 3: all the criticisms you could have of Avake dumb or

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Speaker 3: not the Vake criticism. Can people call him a fake

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Speaker 3: or they say that he's you know, too trumpy and

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Speaker 3: and here's do you want to play this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's play. He said.

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Speaker 5: This is infuriating because TikTok is one of the most

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Speaker 5: you've got, Honestly, every time I hear you, I feel

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Speaker 1: What you say.

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Speaker 5: Because I can't believe they hear what you've got in

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Speaker 5: a TikTok situation. What they're doing is one hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifty million people are on TikTok. That means they can

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Speaker 5: get your contacts, they can get your financial information, they

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Speaker 5: can get your emails, they can get just next messages.

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Speaker 5: They can get This is important, This is very important.

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Speaker 2: This is very important.

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Speaker 5: China make medic China, not America. Excuse now wanting kids

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Speaker 1: That's dangerous for all of us.

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Speaker 5: You when you were in business with the Chinese that

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Speaker 2: I mean, she tried to shove him off the cruise

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Speaker 2: looks kind of wimpy when somebody says something mean and

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Speaker 2: It's like, okay, uh, I get it. Like to your

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Speaker 2: it registers because he's not dumb, right, Like you can

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Speaker 2: And so his point on TikTok I didn't actually think

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Speaker 2: come on, this thing's not getting banned. I told you

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Speaker 3: Remember there was that whole frenzy for a while. They're

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Speaker 3: you want to be worried, if you want to be

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Speaker 3: worried about your freedom and about the future, Google, which

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Speaker 3: is left wing and authoritarian in its tendencies here at home,

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Speaker 3: has far more impact on American politics, on American perception,

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Speaker 3: on your security of your information. You know, we trust

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Speaker 3: these companies. They know everything about you, guys, okay, and

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Speaker 2: And I think Google, by the way, to build on

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Speaker 2: about this, Buck. YouTube is the most powerful video platform

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Speaker 2: in the United States by far. By far, My kids

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Speaker 2: only watch YouTube. If you are under you've got YouTube TV.

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Speaker 2: If you are under the age of forty, YouTube is

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Speaker 2: the place that you go for most of your video content.

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Speaker 2: Now some people still go to TikTok. My thing on

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Speaker 2: TikTok Buck would be I would like to see the

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Speaker 2: American asset sold to an American company so it's not

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Speaker 2: owned by China. But I actually thought the Bike's answer

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Speaker 2: on TikTok made some sense. He's saying kids under sixteen

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to get on social media. I actually

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Speaker 2: don't disagree with that at all. I think their brains

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Speaker 2: are too young. Now they may sneak on, but it

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Speaker 2: used to be that we made you know. So let

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Speaker 2: me give you an example. I think kids getting on

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Speaker 2: TikTok is more dangerous to me, and TikTok and social

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Speaker 2: media in general at thirteen or fourteen is far more

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Speaker 2: dangerous to me than eighteen or nineteen year olds drinking beer, right, like,

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Speaker 2: we won't let kids buy beer until they're twenty one.

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Speaker 2: I think thirteen and fourteen year olds being on social

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Speaker 2: media is more dangerous to them than an eighteen or

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Speaker 2: a nineteen year old buying beer. So I actually thought

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Speaker 2: that Vivik's answer on TikTok made sense. So Nicki's attack

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Speaker 2: on that I didn't think was was ready.

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Speaker 3: Where do you think the animosity comes from? Because I

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Speaker 3: think I think it's just because Nicki Haley's been she's

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Speaker 3: she's kind of paid her dues. She was US Ambassador

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Speaker 3: to the United Nations under Trump. She's been in the game.

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Speaker 3: She was a governor of South Carolina. And Viveke has

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Speaker 3: come along, and I believe in most of the polls

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Speaker 3: I've seen he's either right there alongside her, maybe a

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Speaker 3: little ahead. It's they're very close. But I've weeks ago

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Speaker 3: there were polls where he was far out ahead of her.

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Speaker 3: And he's had a breakout and she hasn't. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I think these are very ego driven people. There's no

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Speaker 3: way around it. These are people for whom this is

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Speaker 3: quite personal and they take it very personally. Because it

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Speaker 3: to me, I thought she did damage to her brand

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Speaker 3: at some level last night to say that, like, there

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Speaker 3: are ways to go after viveg but to say that

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Speaker 3: I sound dumber every time you speak, like well on

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Speaker 3: the seventh grade, you know what I mean, that was

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Speaker 3: a little weird.

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Speaker 2: I thought that they told her put on your boxing

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Speaker 2: gloves and start throwing haymakers, because she also said it too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that was intentional advice. She also

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Speaker 2: went after Ron DeSantis, and I thought maybe in the

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Speaker 2: the underrated, most explosive moment of the debate might have

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Speaker 2: been when she said bring it Tim to Tim Scott

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Speaker 2: because they actually know each other really well. I mean

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Speaker 2: they are both South Carolina politicians. I'm not talking about

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Speaker 2: like know each other in the context of you're both

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Speaker 2: kind of famous politicians and you cross paths every now

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Speaker 2: and then, like they would know I would imagine both

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Speaker 2: being from a relatively small state of South Carolina and

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Speaker 2: having known each other for twenty plus years, they would

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Speaker 2: know everything. So when she said bring it Tim, it

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Speaker 2: was like when you know, two fraternity brothers decided to

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Speaker 2: throw down, or two sorority sisters, however you want to

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Speaker 2: say it. It was like there was something deeply personal there where,

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Speaker 2: like I think tim Scott was actually surprised that she

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Speaker 2: attacked him in the way that that he cause he

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Speaker 2: didn't really tim Scott went after Vivak, but tim Scott

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Speaker 2: didn't really go after Nicki Haley at first, and then

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Speaker 2: she was like, well, he hasn't done anything in twelve years,

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Speaker 2: and he was like, oh really, Oh we're gonna go there. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's just throw down then.

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Speaker 3: So one thing that was in the back of my

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Speaker 3: mind for the whole two hours of that debate as

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Speaker 3: it was going on, you had these seven people on stage,

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Speaker 3: and the only one that I can really recall other

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Speaker 3: than Chris Christy, but for him that doesn't really but

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Speaker 3: the only one who was really pointing out that the

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Speaker 3: leading Republican contender didn't even feel the need to show up, yep,

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Speaker 3: was Ron DeSantis. And beyond that, if you were really

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Speaker 3: running for president and you're in the Republican primary presidential debate,

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Speaker 3: there is no other Republican primary debate, meaning you know's

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Speaker 3: like it's not like two different sports leagues, right, like

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Speaker 3: this is the one you go to. This You're not

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Speaker 3: going at all the people on that stage. This is

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Speaker 3: why I said, I think only one of them is

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Speaker 3: really running for president, seem to have no problem with

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Speaker 3: the disrespect that they should feel from Donald Trump, not

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Speaker 3: even feeling like he has to show up and not

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Speaker 3: being willing to. There was no talk about COVID, no

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Speaker 3: talk about the COVID spending, no talk about what happened

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. If you are a Republican Prime Mary

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Speaker 3: contender and you're not going to go after Trump on

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Speaker 3: what happened in twenty twenty, really and what results did

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Speaker 3: he really get versus what he promised? How are you

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Speaker 3: running for president? Like a better way of putting it is,

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Speaker 3: why are you running for president? And this has always

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Speaker 3: been my problem with the vague. The vege is like

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Speaker 3: Trump is awesome, a plus, I love him. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: well he's already been president. He wants me president again?

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Speaker 3: What are you doing in the way I want him

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Speaker 3: to be my advisor?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, no one's buying that. So that's what I felt

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Speaker 3: like last night. Ron DeSantis will go after Trump. Ron

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Speaker 3: de Santis will say he's not, you know, man enough

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Speaker 3: or whatever it is to show up and actually debate, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Clay Like, yeah, well I mean that?

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Speaker 2: That to me goes to the question here that is

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Speaker 2: the most important question coming out of the second debate,

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Speaker 2: and this is something that the R and C is

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Speaker 2: going to have to figure out. Why would any of

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Speaker 2: these people drop out? They're not going to and that

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Speaker 2: to me, Dana Perino is getting criticized for her final

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Speaker 2: question like who would you vote off? To me, that

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Speaker 2: was a big moment. Can we can we come back

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Speaker 2: to that? I think I think that's important, But that

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Speaker 2: is the biggest question that actually needs to be asked

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Speaker 2: coming out of the second debate is why are any

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Speaker 2: of these people going to drop out? Well, she she

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Speaker 2: wasn't like who should She's like who should be exiled?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Who should? She went Survivor style like who would you

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Speaker 3: Which which was mean because anyway, it's just like it

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Speaker 3: was just gonna get very petty. Well, we'll get into that. Actually,

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Speaker 3: we'll probably do what we come back. We also want

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Speaker 3: to take your calls and hear from Let's try to

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Speaker 3: get a diverse set of perspectives about how.

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Speaker 2: This went last night. So if if if I'm you know.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully it's not just going to be five phone calls

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Speaker 2: Your listening enjoyment, Carol. Great to have you with us.

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Speaker 6: Hi, guys, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: So you were there, I mean I saw you because

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Speaker 3: you were actually the front row row.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can all see you.

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Speaker 3: That must be kind of funny for a second, right

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Speaker 3: you realize, like you were totally on camera every time

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Speaker 3: the moderators were on camera, so your front row in

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Speaker 3: the debate. Just any anything you could tell us about

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Speaker 3: the energy or anything kind of off camera that you

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So, I mean everybody I've ever met in my

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Speaker 6: entire life contacted me. So I think that's a debate.

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Speaker 6: This has some good ratings, you know, some interesting things

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Speaker 6: for me. I guess, like at home, I don't realize

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Speaker 6: just obviously these are all supporters of the candidates, you know,

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Speaker 6: almost the entire room. I mean there's some like you know,

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Speaker 6: maybe some you know reporters and commentators, but the great

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Speaker 6: majority of the room are literally friends and family of

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Speaker 6: the candidates, and so they only applaud their own candidate.

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Speaker 6: They only shout out their own candidate. It's not like

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Speaker 6: a natural thing like you could be watching the debate

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Speaker 6: with your friends and you might like one of the

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Speaker 6: candidates more, but you're not going to say, oh, this

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Speaker 6: candidate isn't isn't saying something I like? If they say

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Speaker 6: something you like, you just say, oh, I like that too.

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Speaker 6: It's not like that. In the room. People are very

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Speaker 6: rigid behind their guy or a girl. And that's just

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Speaker 6: how it did. I think that I never really quite

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Speaker 6: got that from the television.

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Speaker 2: Set, all right, Carol, this is also something you don't

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Speaker 2: see on television. During every commercial break, the candidates can

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Speaker 2: walk around, they can interact, they can discuss, they can

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Speaker 2: get their makeup touched up. Did you see, and this

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Speaker 2: is not on air, did you see the candidates interact

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Speaker 2: very much? Did there seem to be any good rapport?

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Speaker 2: Did there seem to be any frostiness? Like? How would

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Speaker 2: you assess the commercial breaks as somebody who was actually

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Speaker 2: there on the ground. I'm actually fascinated by this because

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Speaker 2: sometimes you can see, oh these guys are allies. Oh

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Speaker 2: these guys really hate each other. Did you pick up

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Speaker 2: any body language anything from the commercial breaks that those

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Speaker 2: of us watching didn't see?

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Speaker 6: I'd say, and I know this did come across in

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Speaker 6: the debate, But a lot of the candidates viscerally do not.

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Speaker 2: Like Vivek.

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Speaker 6: Very much. Odd man out here where they kind of

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Speaker 6: all know each other, maybe they like each other, maybe

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Speaker 6: they you know, will attack each other, but still not

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Speaker 6: like personally. I thought, for example, Nicki Haley's line that

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Speaker 6: she gets dumber every time she listens to the vac

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Speaker 6: was kind of over the line. But I saw DeSantis

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Speaker 6: and Avk have a nice conversation at one point. I

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Speaker 6: think I saw, you know, Christy and Nicky kind of

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Speaker 6: laugh at something together. So there is interaction, but they

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Speaker 6: do mostly go over to their spouse or their family

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Speaker 6: and they get like, if not a pep talk, then

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Speaker 6: like a little like they fix their hair or I

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Speaker 6: saw Casey DeSantis, you know, fix Ron DeSantis's shirt. It

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Speaker 6: was it was It's very nice to see them with

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Speaker 6: their families, like Mike Pence had his grandchildren there. It

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Speaker 6: was really cute.

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Speaker 3: I think that Vivek, Vivik and Ron were probably comparing

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Speaker 3: you know, s A T scores. That would be quite

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Speaker 3: an epic, an epic battle between those two or who

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Speaker 3: had a higher g P a at at Yale. But

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Speaker 3: let me let me just pivot here for a second.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you, Keryl, had to pick one thing,

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Speaker 3: one moment that you thought was the biggest standout of.

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Speaker 2: The night, what was it.

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Speaker 6: M You know, I think Nicki going ham on all

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Speaker 6: the other candidates was sort of interesting because I think

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Speaker 6: she was always trying to be kind of above all

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Speaker 6: of that, and I think some of her comments were

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Speaker 6: really really stark and different from her normal personality. So

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Speaker 6: to me that stood out. I don't know whether that's

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Speaker 6: good or bad. I saw some polls after the debate,

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Speaker 6: you know, saying that she won because I think a

681
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Speaker 6: lot of people really like the excitement of those digs

682
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Speaker 6: and those jabs. In general, though, I think these debates

683
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Speaker 6: don't get to any of the real issues, and they

684
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Speaker 6: absolutely don't cover the ground that Republicans would like to

685
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Speaker 6: see covered. My column today in The New York Post

686
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Speaker 6: urges it to come down to like two candidates that

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Speaker 6: can debate each other. If Donald Trump wants to show up,

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Speaker 6: that's great. It will be three, but let's limit it

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Speaker 6: to who can be on the stage so we can

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Speaker 6: actually hear real ideas and a real pass forward for

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Speaker 6: the country.

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Speaker 2: Carol I said that to me and I agree with that. Basically,

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Speaker 2: to me, the race is down to Trump obviously, and

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Speaker 2: then DeSantis and Nicky Haley. I don't think anybody else

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Speaker 2: could And really it's DeSantis versus Nicky Haley. Let's see

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Speaker 2: which of those is going to be the emerging alternative,

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Speaker 2: and then everybody else needs to get out of the race.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm curious if you would agree one two. Is

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Speaker 2: anybody actually going to get out of the race, because

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Speaker 2: if they don't, then Trump's going to be the nominee.

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Speaker 2: There's actually not a lot of competition here because they're

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Speaker 2: going to continue to soak up they're three or four percent,

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Speaker 2: and Trump is going to stand. He's going to have

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Speaker 2: the majority, right how which we saw play out in sixteen.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And in sixteen one of the things that always,

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Speaker 6: you know, kind of bothered me was a case of

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Speaker 6: state in the race even after he was mathematically eliminated,

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Speaker 6: Like what was he thinking was going to happen? They

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Speaker 6: were just going to sub him in at the end.

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Speaker 6: And so you're absolutely right, they can't keep going like

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Speaker 6: if half the party, which is you know, basically the numbers,

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Speaker 6: Trump has fifty percent support, which is really high. So

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Speaker 6: I don't know why Trump fans get upset at me

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Speaker 6: when I say that half the party doesn't want him,

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Speaker 6: But that's the case. Half the party wants somebody else.

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Speaker 6: The fact that that somebody else is split up by ten, fifteen,

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Speaker 6: et ceterra percent is a different story to me. Ron

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Speaker 6: DeSantis is sort of the revolutionary post Trump candidate, and

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Speaker 6: Nicky Haley, for better or worse, is a very traditional

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Speaker 6: Republican candidate. Now that candidate wins. Sometimes George W. Bush

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Speaker 6: wants two terms, and then of course John McCain and

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Speaker 6: Mitt Romney did not. So I get why people are

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Speaker 6: drawn to Ron DeSantis and to Nicky Haley, and I'd

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Speaker 6: love to hear their version of what the future will

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Speaker 6: look like for the Republican Party actually particulated without like

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Speaker 6: any of these stupid, you know, sideshow jabs.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree that basically everybody else has done. I mean,

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Speaker 2: with my assessment, that is Nicky Haley, it's it's DeSantis,

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Speaker 2: and it's Trump.

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Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, that is absolutely right, and it would be

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Speaker 6: great to have this have them on stage. What are

732
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Speaker 6: the visions for the future from these three people who

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Speaker 6: are splitting up the Republican Party support largely, but.

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Speaker 2: What about Doug Beam, my man, Doug Bergham.

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Speaker 3: Would you give him an honorable mention, Carol, I felt

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Speaker 3: like he actually acquitted himself.

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Speaker 2: Well up there. He didn't get that much time, but

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Speaker 2: I thought he did a pretty good job.

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Speaker 6: So his family, every time there's like a low in

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Speaker 6: the debate, they scream out Burgham as if to.

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Speaker 2: Like finds.

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Speaker 6: He yeah, he said some interesting stuff. I like all

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Speaker 6: of these people mostly, and I you know, I get

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Speaker 6: that it's disappointing that he's at one percent or whatever

745
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Speaker 6: and somehow still on this debate stage. But that's just

746
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Speaker 6: the way it is. And you know, I had never

747
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Speaker 6: heard of him honestly before this, before his presidential campaign,

748
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Speaker 6: which really is saying something. So yeah, he's he's he

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Speaker 6: seems like a nice guy. He's got some good ideas.

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Speaker 6: But his poll numbers, and I know polls aren't everything,

751
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Speaker 6: but they really are something to get on the debate stage,

752
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Speaker 6: are so low that I don't see how he should

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Speaker 6: be included in the next one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Buck and I just had a discussion, and

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Speaker 2: we're two dudes, so we probably and we're excited to

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Speaker 2: have your podcast and alongside of tude a Dixon's We're

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Speaker 2: two dudes, so I don't know that I'm or either

758
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Speaker 2: of us are particularly adroid at discussing this. You mentioned

759
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: how aggressive Nicki Haley was and some people are gonna

760
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 2: really like that. I described her as metaphorically like walking

761
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Speaker 2: around with a knife and you never know who she's

762
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Speaker 2: gonna stab next, right, Like that is pretty good television. Right.

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Speaker 2: They always say like if you want to have somebody stick,

764
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Speaker 2: like have a loaded gun and at some point you

765
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Speaker 2: know it's going to go off on television, like people

766
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Speaker 2: watch to see what's gonna happen. But when Trump is

767
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Speaker 2: a jerk, he is able to be a jerk because

768
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Speaker 2: people are like, Okay, that's just how alpha males are.

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Speaker 2: Other guys in debate can get away with that because

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Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, that's just kind of masculine energy. That's

771
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Speaker 2: how dudes are. They fight, they brawl, and people sometimes

772
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Speaker 2: are attracted to that. Now sometimes they're repulse, but I

773
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Speaker 2: think men have a more lenient standard there. What child

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Speaker 2: is does Nicky Haley have with that being the aggressor

775
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Speaker 2: that being the person walking around with a knife. That's

776
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Speaker 2: different from a woman perspective as you see it or

777
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Speaker 2: is there a difference? Am I wrong in it? Is

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Speaker 2: even not a sexist question to ask, No, not at all.

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Speaker 6: But it's so cute that you guys think that women

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Speaker 6: are less vicious and ment.

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Speaker 2: Nick, I think the expector that's a great point. That's

782
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Speaker 2: a great point. I think the expectation is for viewers

783
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Speaker 2: that women are less vicious than men. But yes, that's

784
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Speaker 2: a that's a great that's a great point.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think Nicki was able to get away with

786
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Speaker 6: those attacks because she's a woman. I think that there

787
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Speaker 6: would have been some like they're barely being mentioned today.

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Speaker 6: I you know, I don't think that the fact that

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Speaker 6: she said that to Vecas, even in the conversation today,

790
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Speaker 6: and I'm still thinking about it, I'm still thinking, like, wow,

791
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Speaker 6: that was really over the line, and it really didn't

792
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Speaker 6: resonate with me, because for all the things that I

793
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Speaker 6: don't like about Viveca, it's not that he's dumb, and

794
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 6: it's not his comments are dumb. So yeah, I think

795
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 6: that she got away with saying some things that a

796
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Speaker 6: man maybe even wouldn't get away with saying, you know,

797
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Speaker 6: other than Trump.

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Speaker 3: Of course, I'm always I need to ask her where

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Speaker 3: she is on the Great Biden will or will not

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Speaker 3: be the nominee debate.

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Speaker 2: Of twenty twenty three. Oh, that is a great question.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, Klay Travis and I have a bet

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Speaker 6: where we're going to be owed each other dinner if

804
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Speaker 6: he says the Gaps will be the nominee and I

805
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Speaker 6: say it's going to be Joe Biden or Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: Right, if something happens to you, Okay, you're on Biden

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Speaker 3: Harris team, which means you agree with the Buckster, which

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Speaker 3: means that your money is safe. Carol, you can tell

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Speaker 3: the Biden switch is getting a might teeth mighty small, Carol, get.

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Speaker 6: Kamala off the off the stage. There's just no way

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Speaker 6: to do that.

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Speaker 2: It'll be racist and sexist if they don't know it's

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Speaker 2: going to be interesting, So kinda would be a little

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Speaker 2: racist and sexist potentially. Yes, last question for you, Carol,

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Speaker 2: and this is super important that your Dallas Cowboys just

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Speaker 6: We're gonna come back from this. We're gonna come back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's told been twenty five years since you were

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Speaker 2: in a game that matters. But yeah, I'm sure at

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Speaker 2: some point will happen. Carol, can you tell us what

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Speaker 6: It's the Carol Markowitz Show, and you two will be

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Speaker 6: my first guest, and individually, I'm going to ask some

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Speaker 2: Welcome again, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We talked about

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Speaker 2: this for a while. I think both Buck and I

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Speaker 2: responded very well to what I thought was one of

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Speaker 2: the only actually provocative arguments. I guess you can argue

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Speaker 2: that Desanta is saying that he would raid the cartels

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Speaker 2: and blow them up. Is it's a pretty aggressive position,

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Speaker 2: but he's he said that for a while. I actually

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Speaker 2: disagree with him on some of that a little bit too.

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Speaker 2: So I, based on your intelligence background, you think that

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Speaker 2: would be a mess.

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Speaker 3: Yes, for thinking that we're going to be able to

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Speaker 3: First of all, the government of Mexico would absolutely have

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Speaker 3: to be one hundred percent on board. The government of

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Speaker 3: Mexico is incredibly corrupt. The cartels have infiltrated at the

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Speaker 3: highest levels the security services of the government of Mexico.

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Speaker 2: This isn't going to be cross border.

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Speaker 3: Raids in uh and you know Waszeri Stan in Pakistan

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Speaker 3: with drones where you're like in a little village and

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Speaker 3: no one's going to know what's going on. This would

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Speaker 3: be going into Guadalajara. This would be going into major

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Speaker 3: Mexican population centers and going up against cartel leaders. People

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Speaker 3: forget this when I think it was one of al

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Speaker 3: Chapo's I think it was one of his kids was

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Speaker 3: at one point under arrest, or one of his top

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Speaker 3: lieutenants was underrest. I can't remember. They shut down a

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Speaker 3: whole city Clay. They deployed guys with fifty caliber fifty

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Speaker 3: caliber rifles and belt fed machine guns and said, basically,

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Speaker 3: let our guy go. We're just gonna start chewing everything up.

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Speaker 3: I mean the notion that we're gonna send guys in

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Speaker 3: there and this isn't gonna be an absolute mess. Look,

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Speaker 3: do I think there's room for greater cooperation, Yes, do

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Speaker 3: I think. But the real answer is lock down the border,

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Speaker 3: because if we're gonna if we think we're gonna be

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Speaker 3: doing specop's raids against all the cartel guys. How are

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Speaker 3: we gonna find them? Who's gonna go after them? I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've tried this kind of thing before. I think it's

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Speaker 3: way more. I think it's a major and very complicated fight.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's impossible to do some of this,

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Speaker 3: but it's not as easy as just, you know, send

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Speaker 3: in the eighty second airborne.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that was provocative and it is something that

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Speaker 2: has not been discussed widely. The other thing, and you

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Speaker 2: probably have heard both Buckin and myself talk about this

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Speaker 2: a lot, that we have to fix the border, and

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Speaker 2: the way to fix the border when you really dialed

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Speaker 2: that drill down to the root cause is there are

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Speaker 2: two reasons why people come to America. One is jobs.

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Speaker 2: They can make way more money if they get here,

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Speaker 2: then they can make in whatever country they're in now.

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Speaker 2: Second one is they want to have kids who become

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Speaker 2: American citizens because of birthright citizenship. That is, if you

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Speaker 2: are an illegal immigrant and you cross our border and

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Speaker 2: get onto United States soil, your children are American citizens.

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Speaker 2: Birthright citizenship is a vestige of colonialism. It doesn't exist

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Speaker 2: in most of the rest of the world. It is

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Speaker 2: being taken advantage of, and it is a primary incentive

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Speaker 2: factor to drive people here. The veg Ramaswami said he

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Speaker 2: would end birthright citizenship. Here is that answer.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I favor ending birthright citizenship for the kids of

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Speaker 4: illegal immigrants in this country. Now the leftial howl about

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Speaker 4: the Constitution in the fourteenth Amendment. The difference between me

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Speaker 4: and them is, I've actually read.

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Speaker 2: The Fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 4: What it says is that all persons born or naturalized

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Speaker 4: in the United States, and subject to the laws and

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Speaker 4: jurisdiction thereof are citizens.

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Speaker 1: So nobody believes that.

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Speaker 4: The kit of a Mexican diplomat in this country enjoys

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Speaker 4: birthright citizenship. Not a judge or legal scholar in this

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Speaker 4: country will disagree with me on that.

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Speaker 1: Well, if the kid of a.

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Speaker 4: Mexican diplomat doesn't enjoy birthright citizenship, then neither does the

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Speaker 4: kid of an illegal migrant who broke the law to

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Speaker 4: come here.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's right, one hundred percent that we both think

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Speaker 3: he's right. The argument may turn on subject to the

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Speaker 3: I mean, you are even if you're not an American

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Speaker 3: in America, just like Americans are subject to jurisdictions.

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Speaker 2: You know, a broad in the foreign country that you're in.

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Speaker 2: You don't get to have your laws travel with you

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Speaker 2: to Honduras, for instance.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so you know you are subject to the jurisdiction

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Speaker 3: you are in. So I think where the legal fight

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Speaker 3: on this one may turn, assuming somebody is willing to

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Speaker 3: actually go there and try to do this, would be well,

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Speaker 3: they are, you know there are subject to US juriss

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Speaker 3: You know they're subject to US jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: I understand. I don't think that's right.

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Speaker 3: I think that the proper way to view this is

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Speaker 3: what he laid out, which is essentially, if you let's

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Speaker 3: say you come here as an illegal immigrant from uh

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Speaker 3: from Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking about that a lot, you're.

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Speaker 3: Really subject for the purposes of citizenship, you are subject

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Speaker 3: to the jurisdiction of Venezuela, right you are?

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Speaker 2: You know that that's the way it should be viewed.

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Speaker 3: The same way that people who are Americans who are

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Speaker 3: deployed to military bases, you know you are under US

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Speaker 3: sovereignty and.

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Speaker 2: U C MJ.

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Speaker 3: When you were abroad, It's not oh, I'm I'm living

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Speaker 3: in Germany. So like now I'm in deutsch Land, like

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Speaker 3: I just live by deutsch Land rules, Like that's not

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Speaker 3: actually how it goes. So yeah, that's I think the uh,

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Speaker 3: that was the most interesting way to put this. That

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Speaker 3: was the most I'm sorry interesting moment that Vivek had

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Speaker 3: there up up on the stage.

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Speaker 2: You know, the people say this, I don't know you're

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Speaker 2: gonna answer. Trump brought this up, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And said he was going to do it, and and

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Speaker 3: then I think it was one of those things where

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Speaker 3: the advisors or something told them, don't do it, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know what was the why didn't you

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Speaker 3: do it?

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Speaker 2: I mean my answer would be I guarantee they polled it,

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Speaker 2: and they were like, you're gonna run for reelection, sir.

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Speaker 2: I do think that the underdiscussed element of a potential

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Speaker 2: Trump second term, and this is true for any second term,

987
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Speaker 2: is you're done. So if there are things that you

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Speaker 2: want to get done that may be controversial or may

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Speaker 2: not poll that, well, it's the second term, the first

990
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Speaker 2: couple of years where you decide to do it. So

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Speaker 2: I would start to say some of those things if

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Speaker 2: I were Trump, Hey, I'm letting it rip because I'm

993
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Speaker 2: not ever going to be president again. I'm going to

994
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Speaker 2: really do everything that I said I was going to do,

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Speaker 2: and maybe just be honest, because I guarantee you sometimes

996
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Speaker 2: political reality dictates that they go back and they say, hey, sir,

997
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Speaker 2: turns out if you win birthright citizenship, you drop x

998
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Speaker 2: percent in these states where you need to do well.

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Speaker 2: I also think part of this is buck is just

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Speaker 2: the way you make the argument, and I make the

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Speaker 2: argument in my book An American Playbook, because I dove

1002
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Speaker 2: into this. There isn't really a good defense of the

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Speaker 2: history behind birthright citizenship. It makes some sense in the

1004
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Speaker 2: context of hey, you know, you used to have to

1005
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Speaker 2: get on we have Bill O'Reilly yesterday and he was like, hey,

1006
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Speaker 2: you know when you got on the boat in Ireland

1007
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Speaker 2: and you were trying to come to Massachusetts Bay Colony.

1008
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Speaker 2: That was a multi month trip. And so most people

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Speaker 2: who got on boats and came to this country never

1010
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Speaker 2: went back because it was expensive and because it was

1011
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Speaker 2: so incredibly difficult to make that trip in the first place.

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Speaker 2: The idea of birthright citizenship didn't exist for hypersonic jet travel,

1013
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: you know, the idea that you could get on a

1014
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Speaker 2: plane in China and land in La fourteen hours later.

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Speaker 2: This is a time.

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Speaker 3: This is a business. I mean, people make money. It's illegal,

1017
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Speaker 3: but people make money doing this. These birth hotels effectory

1018
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Speaker 3: and or you know, like citizenship hotels whatever they call them,

1019
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: and they investigate this. You're not supposed to be doing this,

1020
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Speaker 3: but the system that we have does incentivize this. And

1021
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Speaker 3: the system that we have hasn't figured out or no

1022
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 3: one has brought this challenge at least so we get

1023
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: full clarity on where this is all going. Yeah, Trump,

1024
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 3: I look this up. Play on the fly here. Trump

1025
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: said in twenty eighteen he was going to sign in

1026
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Speaker 3: executive order ending birthright citizenship. He said in October of

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, you can definitely do it with an Act

1028
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Speaker 3: of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it

1029
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: with an executive order, and that executive order did not

1030
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Speaker 3: get signed. Now he is saying, to be clear that

1031
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Speaker 3: this would be signed his first day in office this

1032
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Speaker 3: time around, So you may be right. It might have

1033
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Speaker 3: had to be a I guess twenty eighteen a political calculation,

1034
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Speaker 3: or twenty early twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: I think I would bet that his advisor sir, that's

1036
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Speaker 2: a risky move to make remember Trump, I believe would

1037
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Speaker 2: have won comfortable reelection, but for COVID, the idea, it

1038
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Speaker 2: wasn't just that COVID happened, it was that COVID happened

1039
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Speaker 2: in March of an election year. Yeah, and that's why

1040
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people out there who are listening to

1041
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Speaker 2: us right now find you know, the idea of this

1042
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Speaker 2: came out of a Chinese lab is not at all.

1043
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Speaker 2: I don't think if you look at the evidence controversial

1044
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: to say you and me have been saying that for years.

1045
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Speaker 2: That's what the evidence reflected. There are some people that

1046
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Speaker 2: will take the next step and say this wasn't an

1047
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Speaker 2: accidental release. I'm not willing to go there, but the

1048
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Speaker 2: fact that this happened in an election year is certainly

1049
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: one that makes your eyebrows go up. There isn't a

1050
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Speaker 2: year that this could have happened that would have been

1051
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: more destructive in terms of the American body politic than

1052
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Speaker 2: during an election year. And by the way, not an

1053
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Speaker 2: election year. Buck when it's like Mitt Romney against Barack Obama,

1054
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Speaker 2: two relatively generally speaking blandly inoffensive nerds kind of throwing

1055
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Speaker 2: punches at each other. Instead you got Donald Trump on

1056
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Speaker 2: the ballot. So I just think this is a the

1057
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Speaker 2: whole concept here factors in. But I would bet they

1058
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Speaker 2: said to Trump, this doesn't make sense to do in

1059
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Speaker 2: your first term, Let's do it second term. And he

1060
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Speaker 2: was planning to do it in the second term. That

1061
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Speaker 2: would be my guess. As we kind of break this down,

1062
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Speaker 2: we'll take some of your calls to close up shop

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Speaker 2: here on the Thursday edition of the program. Try to

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Speaker 2: run through them fast. Give us your reaction, your biggest

1065
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Speaker 2: takeaways from the debate last night. We will hit you

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