Speaker 1: Welcome to the Best of the Week for What's Right
Speaker 1: with Nick Wright, the best takes and moments from this
Speaker 1: week on the show. Enjoy Chador.
Speaker 2: He looked pretty good. I mean, he looked fantastic, but
Speaker 2: he looked pretty good for a quarterback who went there
Speaker 2: and did his thing. Head coach Steven Kevin Stefanski still
Speaker 2: hasn't committed to Shador. So do you think that he
Speaker 2: showed everything he needed to do to get the starting job?
Speaker 1: What do you well? He's definitely not going to be
Speaker 1: their Week one starter. That is gonna be Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: I don't even think. By the way, if I were Shadoor,
Speaker 1: I know he can't say this. I wouldn't even want
Speaker 1: to be the Week one starter. Like I would rather
Speaker 1: the Browns open with the Ravens and then they play
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the Brown's open with the Bengals, so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't actually hate that because of the Bengals defense, but
Speaker 1: then they go Ravens, Packers, Lions, Vikings, Steelers, like those
Speaker 1: are not defenses. I'm interested in playing it right, all
Speaker 1: exactly right. And I understand that the Browns just released
Speaker 1: their latest depth chart and Shador is still number four.
Speaker 1: They did not move him up at all, I don't
Speaker 1: believe it. I think that Shadoor has now if we
Speaker 1: are being fair, he has taken it is now Dylan
Speaker 1: Gabriel who is chasing Shador in the quarterback competition instead
Speaker 1: of vice versa. Like the you know, the old adage
Speaker 1: you don't lose your job due to injury is total bs.
Speaker 1: Happens in sports all the time. People lose their job
Speaker 1: because of injury and because the guy who fills in
Speaker 1: for you shows something he didn't have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: show before. And so if Flacco is just entrenched at one,
Speaker 1: which I think he is, Kenny Pickett was two and
Speaker 1: is two on the late step chart. He's been hurt
Speaker 1: the last couple weeks of camp. Doesn't look like he's
Speaker 1: gonna play at all, and he didn't play in their
Speaker 1: first preseason game. Doesn't look like he's been playing their second.
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel is three. Gabriel, according to all reports on
Speaker 1: the ground, has been bad in practice and was injured
Speaker 1: for the first preseason game. Shadores four. He's practiced well
Speaker 1: and I thought made four very high level throws in
Speaker 1: that game and really only made a couple bad mistakes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I think that is enough to where he
Speaker 1: should have taken the lead on Gabriel, and the goal
Speaker 1: for either of these rookies flatly needed to be beat
Speaker 1: out the other rookie. So when at when Flacco inevitably
Speaker 1: gets benched, I'm the guy they go to. Now, maybe
Speaker 1: they'll go to pick it, but I think that would
Speaker 1: be asinine. And so now I also think this Demanse.
Speaker 1: I think Gabriel will and should start preseason game number two,
Speaker 1: and then you know he can if he plays well
Speaker 1: in the store.
Speaker 2: Both of them have. I think that's what we'll do.
Speaker 1: I could even see him go, Demanse, quarter quarter quarter,
Speaker 1: you know what they're thereabouts, Like, I could see Gabriel
Speaker 1: playing then shoudor then Gabriel back in then should or
Speaker 1: that way, you know what I mean. You get more
Speaker 1: time with starting caliber players or you know, guys that
Speaker 1: are actually going to make the team, or they each
Speaker 1: get it. But I now think Gabriel, I think Shador
Speaker 1: is now amongst the rookies in pole position. And I
Speaker 1: also think that, and this is why so I thought
Speaker 1: after the game him saying something to Tony Grosy was
Speaker 1: totally fine and I think people don't recognize how common
Speaker 1: that is that guys sang after games in locker rooms
Speaker 1: are in the tunnel to reporters like, hey, what was
Speaker 1: up with that? That has happened forever? That used to
Speaker 1: happen to me. I remember Matt Cassel saying to a
Speaker 1: different media member, we're both standing there. When he realized
Speaker 1: that media member, you know what. I think it was
Speaker 1: to Mark Carmon, our friend whose birthday was actually yesterday.
Speaker 1: I think it was to karm that he said to him,
Speaker 1: this is your buddy about me? He's like, yeah, He's like,
Speaker 1: he sure talks a lot of shit, doesn't He like,
Speaker 1: did not like some of the things I had said
Speaker 1: about him. That's super common. So I have no problem
Speaker 1: at all with Shador having that moment with Tony.
Speaker 2: Grosy time, though, what you need to be worried about?
Speaker 1: So here is the thing on that. I think the
Speaker 1: smile and the laugh at the end made it okay.
Speaker 1: And I think that like charisma and charm and a
Speaker 1: great smile can really carry Yeah, and so like that
Speaker 1: to me was fine. I thought the walk in was
Speaker 1: a misstep. I didn't think it was a grievous error,
Speaker 1: but I thought, I'm not asking you to be someone
Speaker 1: you're not, but turned down the volume on literally on
Speaker 1: the boombox, I guess, and also figuratively. Now I understand
Speaker 1: those were his teammates, not his entourage, but still you're
Speaker 1: the quarterback, the guy carrying the giant walking stick staff
Speaker 1: in the boombox. I might have been like, can we
Speaker 1: not do that? And if you really want to walk
Speaker 1: in like that, maybe I'll go in, you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit after you. Because it's.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: If the Browns won't elevate him on their real depth chart,
Speaker 1: then he also wants another team to trade for him,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I just don't think that helps.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's a huge deal. You'd certainly
Speaker 1: rather him play well and have an awkward pre and
Speaker 1: postgame then be perfect pre and post game and playport.
Speaker 2: Right, go ahead, No, I mean with that take, you
Speaker 2: were saying that maybe he should show out for the Rams,
Speaker 2: or maybe the Rams look at him, because words like
Speaker 2: a mortal chamber are being thrown around very serious. I
Speaker 2: don't know, do you think that's more of a possibility now,
Speaker 2: like it's more serious.
Speaker 1: I think that right now he's probably worth he was
Speaker 1: drafted with a fifth. I think he's worth at least
Speaker 1: a fourth, you know what I mean? And so, but
Speaker 1: I don't I think the Browns want to keep him.
Speaker 1: I think Stefanski might be coming around if he wasn't
Speaker 1: already there. And I think you had to be impressed
Speaker 1: by how he handled himself and how he played this Sunday.
Speaker 1: Was it Sunday? Saturday? Friday?
Speaker 2: It was Friday, it was Thursday, Friday?
Speaker 1: All right, Demanda, let's go to the listener questions.
Speaker 2: T asked, where do you think Alan Lamar rank all
Speaker 2: time right this moment just his quarterback talents? I'd say
Speaker 2: both Top fifteen side question, are the smelling salts going
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Speaker 1: Smelling salts are not going to ruin my life? But
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Speaker 1: Where do Lamar and Allen rank just as quarterback talents?
Speaker 1: What an interesting question? Top fifteen sounds right like if
Speaker 1: I were ranking just quarter just raw talent, quarterbacks. Ever,
Speaker 1: that's what Yeah, that's what they're saying, saying all time.
Speaker 1: Mahomes Rogers are to me the top two.
Speaker 2: Lamar's got to be like top ten at least any
Speaker 2: same thing. But I feel like both those guys, those
Speaker 2: are electric dudes as far as this talent, like no,
Speaker 2: maybe not one, Yeah, those are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think safely so raw talent, Mahomes raw
Speaker 1: Farv has to be up there. Manning has to be
Speaker 1: up there. It's a compliment to Brady that we're not
Speaker 1: even like saying him with all of his success, because
Speaker 1: you know, he maximized everything about his physical ability. Marino's
Speaker 1: got to be up there. I always have had a
Speaker 1: soft spot for Steve Young. John Elway's up there. And
Speaker 1: now we can start talking Lamar and Josh you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, so, yeah, the in that bottom
Speaker 1: part of the top tens firmly in the top fifteen.
Speaker 1: I think that's right. All right, let's go to Ethan.
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Speaker 2: A little bit more conservative with poker.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know a bit. No, I just look
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Speaker 1: I won't always bet on my takes, but like I
Speaker 1: it's why I'll I'll never, even if I'm getting points,
Speaker 1: bet against the chiefs, you know what I mean. So like,
Speaker 1: there are just certain things that so that's but I
Speaker 1: also I and this is how I would recommend it
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Speaker 1: Poker's different in that regard for me. All right, let's
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Speaker 2: Michael ass is Jackson better than Prime Vig?
Speaker 1: Yes, love Mike, but yes, Lamar is a far already
Speaker 1: a far better passer than Mike ever was just you
Speaker 1: know what, I mean, he just is and I love Mike,
Speaker 1: but that's I think Mike would tell you that next.
Speaker 2: Indy, Nick, do you think that everyone is just so
Speaker 2: skewed by fantasy football? Josh Lamar have been excellent fantasy quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: so people assume that they are the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that absolutely is something to do with it.
Speaker 1: I absolutely think that the crazy fantasy numbers impact this one.
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Speaker 2: Andy Reid down played all the naysayers, saying that the
Speaker 2: Kansas City's window is closing for the dynasty. Colin was
Speaker 2: also one of those naysayers, saying that the winning is over.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the win Do you think that
Speaker 2: the dynasty is continuable if they win the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: this year?
Speaker 1: Well, hold on, I don't even think that's obviously. If
Speaker 1: they win the super Bowl this year, the dynasty is
Speaker 1: in progress. I want to focus more on Listen. I
Speaker 1: think it's well established how much I adore and love
Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd. His Chiefs takes Now, I mostly blame Jmack.
Speaker 1: I think that, like the proximity to Jmax's historically bad
Speaker 1: Chiefs takes have somehow there's been an osmosis of take
Speaker 1: that has impacted Colin. But they've been to three straight
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. They they had the best record in the
Speaker 1: NFL last year. They got it to.
Speaker 2: The last one, right, they got it. They made it
Speaker 2: to the last super Bowl. Like I think they have
Speaker 2: to at least not make a super Bowl for the
Speaker 2: dynasty to be over.
Speaker 1: Well I would think so, right yeah. And by the way,
Speaker 1: like when we talk about dynasties in the NFL, the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers is probably the most famous one. They won
Speaker 1: two super Bowls. They then went two years without making
Speaker 1: the Super forget without winning it, without making the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and then they won two more. We look at that
Speaker 1: as one dynasty. The Patriots is an interesting one. I
Speaker 1: don't consider the Pants one continuous dynasty, but if you do,
Speaker 1: it went like this, won a super Bowl, missed the playoffs,
Speaker 1: then won two super Bowls, then gosh, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to do this off the top of my head. Six
Speaker 1: going for the three pat lost their first playoff game.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, wait, five going for the three pat It's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard to off top my head, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try. Lost their first playoff game. Six lost in
Speaker 1: Round two. Oh seven lost the Super Bowl. OH eight
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs. Nine and twenty ten lost before the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Twenty eleven lost in the super Bowl twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen lost before the Super Bowl, fourteen won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, fifteen lost in Conference title game, sixteen won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, seventeen lost the Super Bowl, eighteen won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, nineteen lost in Round one. So if
Speaker 1: we want to do that as one long dynasty, then
Speaker 1: it's going to be impossible to say the Chiefs dynasty
Speaker 1: is over. If you consider the Patriots one long dynasty.
Speaker 1: The Patri's went a decade without winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs have gone sixteen months, and so that part's
Speaker 1: just ridiculous. It's just fundamentally ridiculous to say I'm declaring
Speaker 1: it dead when the Chiefs are in the midst of
Speaker 1: or just completed I guess you would say the greatest
Speaker 1: three year stretch in the history of the league. And
Speaker 1: they have been to three consecutive Super Bowls and seven
Speaker 1: straight AFC Championship Games. It's now if your take is
Speaker 1: they're just not good enough anymore, it's a bold take,
Speaker 1: maybe like there's no evidence for it, But if it's
Speaker 1: just your gut feeling, then so be it. Here is
Speaker 1: here is what I find the most demands a ridiculous
Speaker 1: about this Chief's fatalism stuff, and then we can move
Speaker 1: on every team in the AFC that is chasing them.
Speaker 1: If this year they have the exact season Kansas City
Speaker 1: had last year, best last undefeated team, best record in
Speaker 1: the NFL, beat the Chiefs in the AFC playoffs, make
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, lose the super Bowl, it will be
Speaker 1: considered evidence that that team is getting closer, and the
Speaker 1: best season any of those teams have had in this era,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs having that year is considered evidence of implosion.
Speaker 1: But I am here to tell you if the Baltimore
Speaker 1: Ravens are the final one, or the Buffalo Bills, or
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, or the Los Angeles Chargers or god forbid,
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos or any of those teams, if they
Speaker 1: are the last undefeated team, if they are fifteen to
Speaker 1: one with the one seed locked up, they then beat
Speaker 1: the Chiefs in the playoffs and then run into I
Speaker 1: don't care who call it Philly or no, because Philly
Speaker 1: then would go back to back that complicates things, call
Speaker 1: it the Lions and get blown out in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: If that were to happen, and then I were to
Speaker 1: go on TV and be like, that's this year was
Speaker 1: the end of that team. They're done. Now there is
Speaker 1: a time for a new chapter. People would say that, dude,
Speaker 1: you're just a hater. And this is also an element
Speaker 1: of a lot of my Mahomes frustration in and I'm
Speaker 1: going to talk about this on the TV show today
Speaker 1: in how he's discussed. Do you agree to Monsday that
Speaker 1: all Lamar, josh Ann Burrow the year they had last
Speaker 1: year elevated them, even if not in their actual ranking,
Speaker 1: but people elevated them their standing, and that people felt
Speaker 1: their seasons combined with the year Mahomes had narrowed the
Speaker 1: gap for best quarterback, and some people flipped it. You
Speaker 1: agree with that, right, That's like conventional wisdom, Okay. And
Speaker 1: this is where the point that I make that Mahomes
Speaker 1: is not judged against his peers, I think is crystallized.
Speaker 1: Let's pretend Patrick this year had any of their seasons
Speaker 1: last year. Okay, Let's start with Joe. Patrick puts up
Speaker 1: insane numbers and the Chiefs miss the playoffs. Does that
Speaker 1: help or does anyone be like, Okay, that helped Patrick's.
Speaker 2: Back dynasty is definitely over.
Speaker 1: Okay, So all right, let's do Lamar's year. Patrick puts
Speaker 1: up insane numbers. The Chiefs are the you know, a
Speaker 1: good but not great seed. They're the three, and for
Speaker 1: the first time in his career, he does not make
Speaker 1: a conference championship game because he loses in round two
Speaker 1: to one of the other rival quarterbacks. Does that help
Speaker 1: or hurt Patrick's standing?
Speaker 2: Who had hurt him?
Speaker 1: It would hurt him all right, STU. Josh Patrick wins league,
Speaker 1: MVP team has a really good record, they get the
Speaker 1: two seed, and then to go back to the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: doesn't come through at the end and Josh beats him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is anybody then being like, Okay, Patrick has reclaimed or
Speaker 1: they're like, oh mvpb damn Josh beat him? Now do
Speaker 1: the flip side for any of those guys, all three
Speaker 1: of them demons? Give them Patrick's year last year. They
Speaker 1: have mediocre stats but lead the league in game winning
Speaker 1: drives and comebacks, and he beats two of those guys
Speaker 1: en route. I'm sorry, any of the those guys are
Speaker 1: the one seed and beat Patrick to get to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Imagine if I then went on TV and
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but his touch there, you know, Lamar's
Speaker 1: touchdown interception ratio wasn't that impressive. I'm actually dinging him.
Speaker 1: It's just insane. And so I know I'm the Kansas
Speaker 1: City guy. I know I have the tattoo that I
Speaker 1: still don't know how to show on camera. I still
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm supposed to do here. It's just
Speaker 1: a disaster. There we go, I see, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what I'm there we go. Well, it's just here's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's just boring. It's just boring. And I
Speaker 1: I also like just one other thing, because what has
Speaker 1: become very in vogue and Bruce says it a lot,
Speaker 1: and he and I talked about this, not like d
Speaker 1: I'd like to talk about it, but discussed it on
Speaker 1: the air the other the other day, which is because
Speaker 1: it's become very in vogue to say something along the
Speaker 1: lines of like, oh, Mahomes is doing Brady's career in reverse,
Speaker 1: where Brady in the beginning won but didn't have the stats,
Speaker 1: and Mahomes and then later in his career had the
Speaker 1: crazy numbers. Mahomes are but it's just inaccurate. And here's
Speaker 1: what I mean. Mahomes early and every year of his
Speaker 1: career except the last two first five years one and
Speaker 1: had MVP caliber stats and the last two years he's won,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't had the crazy numbers until the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But this idea that Tom Brady post two thousand and
Speaker 1: seven was just year in, year out, this statistical monster,
Speaker 1: it's just not true. So Tom Brady two thousand and
Speaker 1: seven had what at that point the greatest quarterback season ever.
Speaker 1: He then misses two thousand and eight due to injury.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine, tom Brady's team was ten and
Speaker 1: six and he had twenty eight touchdowns thirteen interceptions, and
Speaker 1: they lost their first playoff game. Then twenty ten, he
Speaker 1: had one of the greatest statistical seasons ever thirty six touchdowns,
Speaker 1: four picks, and twenty eleven he was in line with
Speaker 1: it thirty nine touchdowns, twelve picks, and then twenty twelve
Speaker 1: it's down to a ninety eight passer rating and twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen twenty five touchdowns, eleven picks and in eighty seven rating.
Speaker 1: That's in twenty thirteen, and then obviously twenty fourteen, they
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Twenty fifteen, he has an all
Speaker 1: time twenty fifteen sixteen to seventeen all time stats years
Speaker 1: where he has a combined doing the math on the fly,
Speaker 1: ninety six touchdowns, fifteen picks, a one toh eight rating
Speaker 1: over the course of three years. But then the very
Speaker 1: next year twenty eighteen, they go eleven to five. He
Speaker 1: is twenty nine touchdowns eleven picks, but they win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl twenty nineteen twenty four touchdowns, eight picks in
Speaker 1: eighty eight rating and leaves the Patriots and then goes
Speaker 1: on the sick run in Tampa. The point I'm making
Speaker 1: is this, even Pete Brady had these season like the
Speaker 1: season where it's like, oh, twenty nine touchdowns, eleven picks,
Speaker 1: twenty four touchdowns, eight picks, twenty five touch downs eleven picks,
Speaker 1: it was not every single year statistical excellence. It was
Speaker 1: every single year when the division make the playoffs, and
Speaker 1: it is at the tail end of his Patriots tenure,
Speaker 1: every single year make a conference championship game. But it's
Speaker 1: just it's we've got to be honest about what real
Speaker 1: expectations are, and we've got to be honest about what
Speaker 1: the guys who are allegedly in Patrick's league. If Patrick
Speaker 1: had the season they just had, and they just had
Speaker 1: the season Patrick just had, how would we view it
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Speaker 2: So, a couple QB polls came out, quarterback rankings, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call them. So Bill Simmons debuted his
Speaker 2: quarterback pyramid and he had Josh Allen at the top.
Speaker 2: Dan Orlofsky came out with a bunch of traits that
Speaker 2: quarterback sho have is about six and had Patrick mahomes
Speaker 2: number one and about the same amount of categories as
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: So which one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, zero? So which one of these is? And raging
Speaker 2: you more? Which one do you want to ask?
Speaker 1: Oh, It's definitely Simmons's. And we're gonna deep dive on
Speaker 1: it because it is not lost on me that my
Speaker 1: pal and I like Bill. Bill and I have a
Speaker 1: good relationship. But it is not lost to me that
Speaker 1: Bill Simmons kind of kicks off his full NFL coverage
Speaker 1: with a podcast that debuts a quarterback pyramid and whose
Speaker 1: main guest is Kevin Wilds. I'm not saying that Bill
Speaker 1: that this was a direct shot at me and you know,
Speaker 1: trying to pull apart. First things first, but I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it wasn't. So I'll get to Bill in a second.
Speaker 1: But on Orlofsky's thing, listen, I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna argue with Dan. Dan obviously knows the quarterback position
Speaker 1: better than me. I what I am gonna say is
Speaker 1: this arm strength. He is Josh Allen one, Patrick two,
Speaker 1: no problem. I actually agree with that, and I actually
Speaker 1: think you could be tricky with that one. There might
Speaker 1: be you might be able to say Herbert could be
Speaker 1: ahead of Patrick Hell. I don't know if Joe Milton's
Speaker 1: availed eligible, like he could be like that just the
Speaker 1: raw arm strength, Josh Allen one is totally fine, no
Speaker 1: beef whatsoever. Then it gets dumb ball placement. Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: five behind Joe Burrow again fine, Jaden, Lamar and Josh.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that's a good take. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people watch Lamar, Josh and Jaden and
Speaker 1: they're like, they can just put it where they want
Speaker 1: better than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like, how much of Burrows is
Speaker 2: the fact that he has those crazy you are receivers.
Speaker 1: They're just gonna well, No, I think Burrow is like
Speaker 1: dumb accurate because he has to be because he's not
Speaker 1: very fast and he doesn't have the strongest arm. So
Speaker 1: the only way he can be as successful as he
Speaker 1: is is like I think Burrow would maybe win the
Speaker 1: contest of that net drill that Caleb failed the other
Speaker 1: day if they did that, but like made it harder
Speaker 1: and harder and harder. I think Burrow might be my
Speaker 1: number one pick. But call me crazy in that drill,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take Lamar over Patrick. Again, maybe I'm a hater.
Speaker 1: Next one, we get to mechanics where you list ten
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and Patrick's not one of them. And let me
Speaker 1: tell you again, he has Lamar four. Yeah, I watch
Speaker 1: Lamar play quarterback, and I'm like, man, if only Patrick
Speaker 1: had as clean of mechanics as Lamar does, I do like,
Speaker 1: I feel that way. I think it's a good take
Speaker 1: the other ones. And again again like the if Geno,
Speaker 1: Dak and Golf have better mechanics than Patrick, then maybe
Speaker 1: mechanics are overrated. But mechanics didn't. Again, Patrick didn't make
Speaker 1: the top ten decision making with the football. Patrick came
Speaker 1: in fifth. Again I and then this is the this
Speaker 1: is the one that really I couldn't. I couldn't get
Speaker 1: over pocket presence Burrow one, Lamar two, Patrick three. Okay,
Speaker 1: like whatever, I'm not gonna I don't even I don't
Speaker 1: even know what we're doing here. But fine, that's Orlowsky's list.
Speaker 1: He has a more fine tuned I for quarterback than me.
Speaker 1: I suppose I think it is. I disagree with some
Speaker 1: of those, but that's not my real beef. My real
Speaker 1: beef is with Bill, because Bill debuts his quarterback pyramid
Speaker 1: and has Josh Allen at the top. And the problem
Speaker 1: with that is, and here's the problem with having as
Speaker 1: long and as successful a career as Bill Simmons has had,
Speaker 1: and a career that so many folks, myself included obviously,
Speaker 1: literally grew up reading every single one of your sports
Speaker 1: takes because Bill's column was must read for every sports
Speaker 1: fan of my generation for more than a decade. The
Speaker 1: problem with having that level of influence and being having
Speaker 1: that long of a career is ear muffs, kids, We
Speaker 1: remember what you fucking wrote. And for fifty f teen years,
Speaker 1: Bill fought tooth and nail against the idea that anyone
Speaker 1: would ever, under any circumstances consider Peyton Manning better than
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, even though for the entirety of those fifteen years,
Speaker 1: Peyton had a strong, a far stronger case to be
Speaker 1: considered better than Peyton Manning. I'm sorry that. Let me
Speaker 1: back that up. Peyton had a far stronger case to
Speaker 1: be considered better than Brady then Josh would have right
Speaker 1: now to be considered better than Patrick. And this is
Speaker 1: where all of these quarterback rankings are going. To be
Speaker 1: self defeating. But let me just quick off the top
Speaker 1: of my damn head, give you the Peyton versus Tom
Speaker 1: first decade history. Win again a reminder, my pal Bill
Speaker 1: built part of his massive empire on the take that
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning. If we go
Speaker 1: two thousand to two thousand and five, Peyton has peeled MVPs,
Speaker 1: but Peyton is zero to two in the playoffs against Tom.
Speaker 1: Tom has three championships, Peyton has none. Peyton has never
Speaker 1: been to a Super Bowl. So even though Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: statistically speaking, was the far superior quarterback with MVPs, he
Speaker 1: had never beaten Tom in a big spot. The championships
Speaker 1: were three to nothing. Then in two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: Peyton not only wins another I'm sorry, he's already won
Speaker 1: two MVPs at that point, plays Tom in the AFC
Speaker 1: Championship game. Tom's up I think twenty one to three
Speaker 1: at halftime. Peyton comes all the way back and wins
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, wins, it beats Tom, and the playoffs
Speaker 1: are now two to one. Peyton wins the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and Bill, I think justifiably is still even though in
Speaker 1: that moment all pros. Peyton has multiple tom As zero.
Speaker 1: MVPs Peyton has multiple tom As zero. The playoff win
Speaker 1: loss record is two to one. The rings are three
Speaker 1: to one. Bill is still strident, steadfast correct Tom's better,
Speaker 1: seemingly vindicated by the fact that the next year Tom
Speaker 1: finally wins his first MVP team goes undefeated. They look
Speaker 1: like one of the greatest teams ever until as double
Speaker 1: digit favorites, they get beat in the Super Bowl. In
Speaker 1: that moment, even though the rings were three to one,
Speaker 1: the MVPs were two to one, the all pros were
Speaker 1: two to one or three to one, I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: and the playoff win loss record was two to one
Speaker 1: in Tom's direction in that moment, if anyone had debuted
Speaker 1: the take, Peyton has passed Tom because Tom didn't win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl last year, Bill's head would have exploded.
Speaker 1: And then, by the way, over the next decade, Tom
Speaker 1: never beat Peyton in the playoffs again. There was a
Speaker 1: brief time in Denver where it looked like maybe Peyton
Speaker 1: had kind of overtaken the argument, and then Tom went
Speaker 1: on that unbelievable twenty fourteen through twenty twenty run to
Speaker 1: cemended himself as the goat. But every single football take
Speaker 1: we have heard for twenty years from Bill Simmons has
Speaker 1: valued playoff performance, doing it in the biggest spots. And
Speaker 1: if you've got the belt, someone's got to come take
Speaker 1: it from you. So when I saw the clip yesterday,
Speaker 1: where the rationale for elevating Josh Allen, who is again
Speaker 1: unlike Peyton Brady, where Peyton had the stats and Brady
Speaker 1: had the wins, Maholmes has moral pros, more MVPs, better
Speaker 1: career numbers, five trips to the Super Bowl to zero,
Speaker 1: three rings to zero, and is four and zero in
Speaker 1: the playoffs against him. When I hear the argument that
Speaker 1: Mahomes played so poorly in the Super Bowl, he falls
Speaker 1: down a peg without the obvious follow up being why
Speaker 1: wasn't Josh in the Super Bowl? Bill? Because he couldn't
Speaker 1: beat Patrick again? And that is where and again, I
Speaker 1: think Josh is the second best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1: Now that Josh has a league MVP, I'm comfortable calling
Speaker 1: him a future Hall of Famer. I think Josh eventually
Speaker 1: is going to break through. I think Josh's ability last
Speaker 1: year to cut down on the turnovers and still care
Speaker 1: a team that wasn't all that talented at the skill position,
Speaker 1: certainly on the outside was wildly impressive. But we have
Speaker 1: to stop acting like these have been unfair fights, or
Speaker 1: Josh hasn't had his chance in back to back years
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Once in Josh's building, once in Patrick's building,
Speaker 1: Josh has gotten the ball late fourth quarter, down three
Speaker 1: points the first time. He can only get them to
Speaker 1: not the edge of field goal range, but not a
Speaker 1: gimme field goal forty four yard or if I remember,
Speaker 1: and that would have only gotten them the tie. With
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes left. There's a chance, finish the game,
Speaker 1: ball in your hands. Don't let Patrick come back and
Speaker 1: get it. They come away with zero points. Then last
Speaker 1: year down three Conference championship game, plenty of time, can't
Speaker 1: get to midfield, So do not do you cannot. And
Speaker 1: this is why the quarterback ranking stuff right now can
Speaker 1: be so frustrating for people. Has Patrick played in the
Speaker 1: regular season his best ball in the last couple of years? No,
Speaker 1: but who are again? And I've said it before, I
Speaker 1: will say it again if you want to argue, you
Speaker 1: know what, Jalen Hurts is the best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone actually believes that, except for maybe
Speaker 1: Jalen's lovely mother, who dressed me down a bit the
Speaker 1: night before the Super Bowl. I don't even think Jalen
Speaker 1: believes that. But if you want to argue that, at
Speaker 1: least there is a case you can make. But for
Speaker 1: the other three guys, as I sat a moment ago,
Speaker 1: the argument becomes instantly self defeating. Burrows' claim to fame
Speaker 1: is what he did in the first two the first
Speaker 1: postseason and a half of his career, going into Arrowhead,
Speaker 1: beating Patrick, getting to the Super Bowl, then getting back
Speaker 1: to the AFC Championship Game, and then he had a
Speaker 1: pretty miserable second half with a chance to go to
Speaker 1: a second straight Super Bowl, got the ball, tie game,
Speaker 1: go get a field goal, got negative yards, loses, and
Speaker 1: has not been back to the postseason since. There is
Speaker 1: no time in the history of Pro football when there
Speaker 1: have been multiple first ballot Hall of Famers active in
Speaker 1: their prime where we would say a guy elevated himself
Speaker 1: to best quarterback in the league in a two year
Speaker 1: stretch where he plays zero playoff games not eligible. Lamar,
Speaker 1: who's in the midst of arguably as good of a
Speaker 1: two year regular season stretch as any player at his
Speaker 1: position ever when that player to varying degrees, and this
Speaker 1: past year was the most positive sign has come up
Speaker 1: against the other two guys who he is in the
Speaker 1: debate with for who's the best and both games gotten
Speaker 1: out played by and lost to in the postseason Patrick
Speaker 1: two years ago and Josh last year. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: have it. And across all of sports except for maybe
Speaker 1: there were some people arguing Jerry West was better than
Speaker 1: Bill Russell. But with respect, as great as the Mahomes
Speaker 1: Reid Chiefs are, they are not the institutionally top to
Speaker 1: bottom more talented team like the Russell Celtics. We have
Speaker 1: never made an argument that win every single year for
Speaker 1: a half decade, one guy beats an out plays another
Speaker 1: guy in the postseason that the other guy's better. It's
Speaker 1: a again for the entirety of Peyton versus Brady, when
Speaker 1: Peyton was a cult that whole decade plus. They only
Speaker 1: played in the postseason three times and it was two
Speaker 1: to one Tom, and it was still framed correctly as
Speaker 1: if Tom held over him in the postseason. Imagine if
Speaker 1: they played four times and it was four to zero
Speaker 1: and So again, this is what I would ask my
Speaker 1: pal Bill if Tom had beaten Peyton in six and
Speaker 1: then gone on to lose that Super Bowl, and he
Speaker 1: was up three to zero in the playoffs and the
Speaker 1: ring count was three zero and the super Bowl count
Speaker 1: was for zero, and someone made the argument that Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning was better based on Tom playing poorly in this
Speaker 1: make believe two thousand and six super Bowl, what would
Speaker 1: your reaction have been? And the answer as we know, so,
Speaker 1: can we please please have a level of consistency on this,
Speaker 1: that's all. Honestly, that didn't go quite as long as
Speaker 1: I thought. And again I'm not trying to act like
Speaker 1: I invented the pyramid style ranking of quarterbacks. What I
Speaker 1: will say is, if you're going to really do it,
Speaker 1: each level has to be one player bigger than the previous.
Speaker 1: You can't go one, two, three, four five, five, five
Speaker 1: five five. That's not the idea that that's not how
Speaker 1: a pyramid looks either at the and I mean it's
Speaker 1: just not. I mean I don't either. That's a crayon.
Speaker 1: That's how a crayon looks, not how a pyramid looks.
Speaker 1: That's first of all. Second of all, my Buddy Kate
Speaker 1: W could have given you pointers on that when he
Speaker 1: was on the pod with you.