1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Best of the Week for What's Right 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: with Nick Wright, the best takes and moments from this 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: week on the show. Enjoy Chador. 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: He looked pretty good. I mean, he looked fantastic, but 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: he looked pretty good for a quarterback who went there 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: and did his thing. Head coach Steven Kevin Stefanski still 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: hasn't committed to Shador. So do you think that he 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: showed everything he needed to do to get the starting job? 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: What do you well? He's definitely not going to be 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: their Week one starter. That is gonna be Joe Flacco. 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: I don't even think. By the way, if I were Shadoor, 12 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: I know he can't say this. I wouldn't even want 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: to be the Week one starter. Like I would rather 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: the Browns open with the Ravens and then they play 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the Brown's open with the Bengals, so I 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't actually hate that because of the Bengals defense, but 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: then they go Ravens, Packers, Lions, Vikings, Steelers, like those 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: are not defenses. I'm interested in playing it right, all 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: exactly right. And I understand that the Browns just released 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: their latest depth chart and Shador is still number four. 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: They did not move him up at all, I don't 22 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: believe it. I think that Shadoor has now if we 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: are being fair, he has taken it is now Dylan 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: Gabriel who is chasing Shador in the quarterback competition instead 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: of vice versa. Like the you know, the old adage 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: you don't lose your job due to injury is total bs. 27 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: Happens in sports all the time. People lose their job 28 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: because of injury and because the guy who fills in 29 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: for you shows something he didn't have the opportunity to 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: show before. And so if Flacco is just entrenched at one, 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: which I think he is, Kenny Pickett was two and 32 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: is two on the late step chart. He's been hurt 33 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: the last couple weeks of camp. Doesn't look like he's 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: gonna play at all, and he didn't play in their 35 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: first preseason game. Doesn't look like he's been playing their second. 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel is three. Gabriel, according to all reports on 37 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: the ground, has been bad in practice and was injured 38 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: for the first preseason game. Shadores four. He's practiced well 39 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: and I thought made four very high level throws in 40 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: that game and really only made a couple bad mistakes. Yeah, 41 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: and so I think that is enough to where he 42 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: should have taken the lead on Gabriel, and the goal 43 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: for either of these rookies flatly needed to be beat 44 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: out the other rookie. So when at when Flacco inevitably 45 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: gets benched, I'm the guy they go to. Now, maybe 46 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: they'll go to pick it, but I think that would 47 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: be asinine. And so now I also think this Demanse. 48 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: I think Gabriel will and should start preseason game number two, 49 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: and then you know he can if he plays well 50 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: in the store. 51 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: Both of them have. I think that's what we'll do. 52 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: I could even see him go, Demanse, quarter quarter quarter, 53 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: you know what they're thereabouts, Like, I could see Gabriel 54 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: playing then shoudor then Gabriel back in then should or 55 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: that way, you know what I mean. You get more 56 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: time with starting caliber players or you know, guys that 57 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: are actually going to make the team, or they each 58 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: get it. But I now think Gabriel, I think Shador 59 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: is now amongst the rookies in pole position. And I 60 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: also think that, and this is why so I thought 61 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: after the game him saying something to Tony Grosy was 62 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: totally fine and I think people don't recognize how common 63 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: that is that guys sang after games in locker rooms 64 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: are in the tunnel to reporters like, hey, what was 65 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: up with that? That has happened forever? That used to 66 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: happen to me. I remember Matt Cassel saying to a 67 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: different media member, we're both standing there. When he realized 68 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: that media member, you know what. I think it was 69 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: to Mark Carmon, our friend whose birthday was actually yesterday. 70 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: I think it was to karm that he said to him, 71 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: this is your buddy about me? He's like, yeah, He's like, 72 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: he sure talks a lot of shit, doesn't He like, 73 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: did not like some of the things I had said 74 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: about him. That's super common. So I have no problem 75 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: at all with Shador having that moment with Tony. 76 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 2: Grosy time, though, what you need to be worried about? 77 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: So here is the thing on that. I think the 78 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: smile and the laugh at the end made it okay. 79 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: And I think that like charisma and charm and a 80 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: great smile can really carry Yeah, and so like that 81 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: to me was fine. I thought the walk in was 82 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: a misstep. I didn't think it was a grievous error, 83 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: but I thought, I'm not asking you to be someone 84 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: you're not, but turned down the volume on literally on 85 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: the boombox, I guess, and also figuratively. Now I understand 86 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: those were his teammates, not his entourage, but still you're 87 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback, the guy carrying the giant walking stick staff 88 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: in the boombox. I might have been like, can we 89 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: not do that? And if you really want to walk 90 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: in like that, maybe I'll go in, you know, a 91 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: little bit after you. Because it's. 92 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: He is. 93 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: If the Browns won't elevate him on their real depth chart, 94 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: then he also wants another team to trade for him, 95 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, And so I just don't think that helps. 96 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: But I don't think it's a huge deal. You'd certainly 97 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: rather him play well and have an awkward pre and 98 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: postgame then be perfect pre and post game and playport. 99 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: Right, go ahead, No, I mean with that take, you 100 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: were saying that maybe he should show out for the Rams, 101 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: or maybe the Rams look at him, because words like 102 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: a mortal chamber are being thrown around very serious. I 103 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: don't know, do you think that's more of a possibility now, 104 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: like it's more serious. 105 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: I think that right now he's probably worth he was 106 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: drafted with a fifth. I think he's worth at least 107 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: a fourth, you know what I mean? And so, but 108 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't I think the Browns want to keep him. 109 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: I think Stefanski might be coming around if he wasn't 110 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: already there. And I think you had to be impressed 111 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: by how he handled himself and how he played this Sunday. 112 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: Was it Sunday? Saturday? Friday? 113 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: It was Friday, it was Thursday, Friday? 114 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: All right, Demanda, let's go to the listener questions. 115 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: T asked, where do you think Alan Lamar rank all 116 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: time right this moment just his quarterback talents? I'd say 117 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: both Top fifteen side question, are the smelling salts going 118 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: to ruin your life? 119 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: Smelling salts are not going to ruin my life? But 120 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, strong recommend if people haven't tried him yet, 121 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: especially if you're like maybe trying to kick caffeine or 122 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: something like. I haven't right into the put in downsides 123 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: of houff pneumonia occasionally, but it sure woke me up. 124 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: Where do Lamar and Allen rank just as quarterback talents? 125 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: What an interesting question? Top fifteen sounds right like if 126 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: I were ranking just quarter just raw talent, quarterbacks. Ever, 127 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: that's what Yeah, that's what they're saying, saying all time. 128 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: Mahomes Rogers are to me the top two. 129 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: Lamar's got to be like top ten at least any 130 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: same thing. But I feel like both those guys, those 131 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 2: are electric dudes as far as this talent, like no, 132 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: maybe not one, Yeah, those are. 133 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think safely so raw talent, Mahomes raw 134 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: Farv has to be up there. Manning has to be 135 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: up there. It's a compliment to Brady that we're not 136 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: even like saying him with all of his success, because 137 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, he maximized everything about his physical ability. Marino's 138 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: got to be up there. I always have had a 139 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: soft spot for Steve Young. John Elway's up there. And 140 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: now we can start talking Lamar and Josh you know 141 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, so, yeah, the in that bottom 142 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: part of the top tens firmly in the top fifteen. 143 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: I think that's right. All right, let's go to Ethan. 144 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: Ethan asked, as a poker expert who understands the principle 145 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: of the plus ev. I'm curious if you take the 146 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: same approach into sports gambling, or if you trust your 147 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: own personal bias over sharp books. 148 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't look at I don't look at sports spending 149 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: the way I look at poker. Just for the record, 150 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: like I don't, I don't, while I do try every 151 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: year to give out winners and to you know, make 152 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: you guys money. I I am. 153 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: A little bit more conservative with poker. 154 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: No, I don't know a bit. No, I just look 155 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: at it like poker, I am trying to make the 156 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: best decision at every point. Sports I have a very 157 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: hard time betting against my takes, you know what I mean. 158 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: I won't always bet on my takes, but like I 159 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: it's why I'll I'll never, even if I'm getting points, 160 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: bet against the chiefs, you know what I mean. So like, 161 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: there are just certain things that so that's but I 162 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: also I and this is how I would recommend it 163 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: for other people look at sports betting as a recreational endeavor, 164 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: not like, hey, this is how I'm gonna make extra money. 165 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: Poker's different in that regard for me. All right, let's 166 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: keep going. 167 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: Michael ass is Jackson better than Prime Vig? 168 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: Yes, love Mike, but yes, Lamar is a far already 169 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: a far better passer than Mike ever was just you 170 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: know what, I mean, he just is and I love Mike, 171 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: but that's I think Mike would tell you that next. 172 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: Indy, Nick, do you think that everyone is just so 173 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: skewed by fantasy football? Josh Lamar have been excellent fantasy quarterbacks, 174 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: so people assume that they are the best. 175 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that absolutely is something to do with it. 176 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: I absolutely think that the crazy fantasy numbers impact this one. 177 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: Hum noah, yeah, no, no, ass When is the Future 178 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: show going to happen? 179 00:11:59,320 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 2: It's like soon. 180 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we have a show Thursday, then we're off 181 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: for a week, and then the Our Futures in our 182 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: Gambling show will probably be a two part thing Tuesday 183 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: and Thursday next week to get us ready for football season, 184 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: right in line with predictions week on First Things First, 185 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: and Diego says has snakes enthusiast Kevin Wild's weight in 186 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: on Demonse's reptiles. 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If 223 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: they win the super Bowl this year, the dynasty is 224 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: in progress. I want to focus more on Listen. I 225 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: think it's well established how much I adore and love 226 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd. His Chiefs takes Now, I mostly blame Jmack. 227 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: I think that, like the proximity to Jmax's historically bad 228 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: Chiefs takes have somehow there's been an osmosis of take 229 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: that has impacted Colin. But they've been to three straight 230 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowls. They they had the best record in the 231 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: NFL last year. They got it to. 232 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: The last one, right, they got it. They made it 233 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: to the last super Bowl. Like I think they have 234 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: to at least not make a super Bowl for the 235 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: dynasty to be over. 236 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: Well I would think so, right yeah. And by the way, 237 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: like when we talk about dynasties in the NFL, the 238 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers is probably the most famous one. They won 239 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: two super Bowls. They then went two years without making 240 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: the Super forget without winning it, without making the super Bowl, 241 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: and then they won two more. We look at that 242 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: as one dynasty. The Patriots is an interesting one. I 243 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: don't consider the Pants one continuous dynasty, but if you do, 244 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: it went like this, won a super Bowl, missed the playoffs, 245 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: then won two super Bowls, then gosh, I'm gonna have 246 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: to do this off the top of my head. Six 247 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: going for the three pat lost their first playoff game. 248 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, wait, five going for the three pat It's 249 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: gonna be hard to off top my head, but I'm 250 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: gonna try. Lost their first playoff game. Six lost in 251 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: Round two. Oh seven lost the Super Bowl. OH eight 252 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: missed the playoffs. Nine and twenty ten lost before the 253 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Twenty eleven lost in the super Bowl twenty twelve, 254 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen lost before the Super Bowl, fourteen won the 255 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, fifteen lost in Conference title game, sixteen won 256 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, seventeen lost the Super Bowl, eighteen won 257 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, nineteen lost in Round one. So if 258 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: we want to do that as one long dynasty, then 259 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: it's going to be impossible to say the Chiefs dynasty 260 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: is over. If you consider the Patriots one long dynasty. 261 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: The Patri's went a decade without winning a Super Bowl. 262 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: The Chiefs have gone sixteen months, and so that part's 263 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: just ridiculous. It's just fundamentally ridiculous to say I'm declaring 264 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: it dead when the Chiefs are in the midst of 265 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: or just completed I guess you would say the greatest 266 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: three year stretch in the history of the league. And 267 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: they have been to three consecutive Super Bowls and seven 268 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: straight AFC Championship Games. It's now if your take is 269 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: they're just not good enough anymore, it's a bold take, 270 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: maybe like there's no evidence for it, But if it's 271 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: just your gut feeling, then so be it. Here is 272 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: here is what I find the most demands a ridiculous 273 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: about this Chief's fatalism stuff, and then we can move 274 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: on every team in the AFC that is chasing them. 275 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: If this year they have the exact season Kansas City 276 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: had last year, best last undefeated team, best record in 277 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: the NFL, beat the Chiefs in the AFC playoffs, make 278 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, lose the super Bowl, it will be 279 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: considered evidence that that team is getting closer, and the 280 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: best season any of those teams have had in this era, 281 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: the Chiefs having that year is considered evidence of implosion. 282 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: But I am here to tell you if the Baltimore 283 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: Ravens are the final one, or the Buffalo Bills, or 284 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, or the Los Angeles Chargers or god forbid, 285 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos or any of those teams, if they 286 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: are the last undefeated team, if they are fifteen to 287 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: one with the one seed locked up, they then beat 288 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: the Chiefs in the playoffs and then run into I 289 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: don't care who call it Philly or no, because Philly 290 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: then would go back to back that complicates things, call 291 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: it the Lions and get blown out in the Super Bowl. 292 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: If that were to happen, and then I were to 293 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: go on TV and be like, that's this year was 294 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: the end of that team. They're done. Now there is 295 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: a time for a new chapter. People would say that, dude, 296 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: you're just a hater. And this is also an element 297 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: of a lot of my Mahomes frustration in and I'm 298 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: going to talk about this on the TV show today 299 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: in how he's discussed. Do you agree to Monsday that 300 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: all Lamar, josh Ann Burrow the year they had last 301 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: year elevated them, even if not in their actual ranking, 302 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: but people elevated them their standing, and that people felt 303 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: their seasons combined with the year Mahomes had narrowed the 304 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: gap for best quarterback, and some people flipped it. You 305 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: agree with that, right, That's like conventional wisdom, Okay. And 306 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: this is where the point that I make that Mahomes 307 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: is not judged against his peers, I think is crystallized. 308 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: Let's pretend Patrick this year had any of their seasons 309 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: last year. Okay, Let's start with Joe. Patrick puts up 310 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: insane numbers and the Chiefs miss the playoffs. Does that 311 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: help or does anyone be like, Okay, that helped Patrick's. 312 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 2: Back dynasty is definitely over. 313 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: Okay, So all right, let's do Lamar's year. Patrick puts 314 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: up insane numbers. The Chiefs are the you know, a 315 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: good but not great seed. They're the three, and for 316 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: the first time in his career, he does not make 317 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: a conference championship game because he loses in round two 318 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: to one of the other rival quarterbacks. Does that help 319 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: or hurt Patrick's standing? 320 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: Who had hurt him? 321 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: It would hurt him all right, STU. Josh Patrick wins league, 322 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: MVP team has a really good record, they get the 323 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: two seed, and then to go back to the super Bowl, 324 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: doesn't come through at the end and Josh beats him. 325 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 326 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: Is anybody then being like, Okay, Patrick has reclaimed or 327 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: they're like, oh mvpb damn Josh beat him? Now do 328 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: the flip side for any of those guys, all three 329 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: of them demons? Give them Patrick's year last year. They 330 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: have mediocre stats but lead the league in game winning 331 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: drives and comebacks, and he beats two of those guys 332 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: en route. I'm sorry, any of the those guys are 333 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: the one seed and beat Patrick to get to the 334 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: super Bowl. Imagine if I then went on TV and 335 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but his touch there, you know, Lamar's 336 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: touchdown interception ratio wasn't that impressive. I'm actually dinging him. 337 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: It's just insane. And so I know I'm the Kansas 338 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: City guy. I know I have the tattoo that I 339 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: still don't know how to show on camera. I still 340 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm supposed to do here. It's just 341 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: a disaster. There we go, I see, I don't even 342 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm there we go. Well, it's just here's 343 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: the thing. It's just boring. It's just boring. And I 344 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: I also like just one other thing, because what has 345 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: become very in vogue and Bruce says it a lot, 346 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: and he and I talked about this, not like d 347 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: I'd like to talk about it, but discussed it on 348 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: the air the other the other day, which is because 349 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: it's become very in vogue to say something along the 350 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: lines of like, oh, Mahomes is doing Brady's career in reverse, 351 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: where Brady in the beginning won but didn't have the stats, 352 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: and Mahomes and then later in his career had the 353 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: crazy numbers. Mahomes are but it's just inaccurate. And here's 354 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: what I mean. Mahomes early and every year of his 355 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: career except the last two first five years one and 356 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: had MVP caliber stats and the last two years he's won, 357 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: but he hasn't had the crazy numbers until the playoffs. 358 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: Right. 359 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: But this idea that Tom Brady post two thousand and 360 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: seven was just year in, year out, this statistical monster, 361 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: it's just not true. So Tom Brady two thousand and 362 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: seven had what at that point the greatest quarterback season ever. 363 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: He then misses two thousand and eight due to injury. 364 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine, tom Brady's team was ten and 365 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: six and he had twenty eight touchdowns thirteen interceptions, and 366 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: they lost their first playoff game. Then twenty ten, he 367 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: had one of the greatest statistical seasons ever thirty six touchdowns, 368 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: four picks, and twenty eleven he was in line with 369 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: it thirty nine touchdowns, twelve picks, and then twenty twelve 370 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: it's down to a ninety eight passer rating and twenty 371 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: thirteen twenty five touchdowns, eleven picks and in eighty seven rating. 372 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: That's in twenty thirteen, and then obviously twenty fourteen, they 373 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Twenty fifteen, he has an all 374 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: time twenty fifteen sixteen to seventeen all time stats years 375 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: where he has a combined doing the math on the fly, 376 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: ninety six touchdowns, fifteen picks, a one toh eight rating 377 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: over the course of three years. But then the very 378 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: next year twenty eighteen, they go eleven to five. He 379 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: is twenty nine touchdowns eleven picks, but they win the 380 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: Super Bowl twenty nineteen twenty four touchdowns, eight picks in 381 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: eighty eight rating and leaves the Patriots and then goes 382 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: on the sick run in Tampa. The point I'm making 383 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: is this, even Pete Brady had these season like the 384 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: season where it's like, oh, twenty nine touchdowns, eleven picks, 385 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: twenty four touchdowns, eight picks, twenty five touch downs eleven picks, 386 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: it was not every single year statistical excellence. It was 387 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: every single year when the division make the playoffs, and 388 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: it is at the tail end of his Patriots tenure, 389 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: every single year make a conference championship game. But it's 390 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: just it's we've got to be honest about what real 391 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: expectations are, and we've got to be honest about what 392 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: the guys who are allegedly in Patrick's league. If Patrick 393 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: had the season they just had, and they just had 394 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: the season Patrick just had, how would we view it 395 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. Hey, guys, talking about my friends 396 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: at boost Mobile. Ever sign up for a phone plan, 397 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: thinking wow, great price, and then a few months later 398 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: it's like surprise, Bill's even higher. Boost Mobile. You've paid 399 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: twenty five dollars a month forever. 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Customers will 408 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: pay twenty five dollars a month as long as they 409 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: remain active on the Boost Unlimited plan. YEA. 410 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: So, a couple QB polls came out, quarterback rankings, whatever 411 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: you want to call them. So Bill Simmons debuted his 412 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: quarterback pyramid and he had Josh Allen at the top. 413 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: Dan Orlofsky came out with a bunch of traits that 414 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: quarterback sho have is about six and had Patrick mahomes 415 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: number one and about the same amount of categories as 416 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones. 417 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: So which one? Yeah? 418 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, zero? So which one of these is? And raging 419 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: you more? Which one do you want to ask? 420 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: Oh, It's definitely Simmons's. And we're gonna deep dive on 421 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: it because it is not lost on me that my 422 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: pal and I like Bill. Bill and I have a 423 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: good relationship. But it is not lost to me that 424 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: Bill Simmons kind of kicks off his full NFL coverage 425 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: with a podcast that debuts a quarterback pyramid and whose 426 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: main guest is Kevin Wilds. I'm not saying that Bill 427 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: that this was a direct shot at me and you know, 428 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: trying to pull apart. First things first, but I'm not 429 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: saying it wasn't. So I'll get to Bill in a second. 430 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: But on Orlofsky's thing, listen, I'm not gonna I'm not 431 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: gonna argue with Dan. Dan obviously knows the quarterback position 432 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: better than me. I what I am gonna say is 433 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: this arm strength. He is Josh Allen one, Patrick two, 434 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: no problem. I actually agree with that, and I actually 435 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: think you could be tricky with that one. There might 436 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: be you might be able to say Herbert could be 437 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: ahead of Patrick Hell. I don't know if Joe Milton's 438 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: availed eligible, like he could be like that just the 439 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: raw arm strength, Josh Allen one is totally fine, no 440 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: beef whatsoever. Then it gets dumb ball placement. Patrick Mahomes 441 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: five behind Joe Burrow again fine, Jaden, Lamar and Josh. 442 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: You know, I think that's a good take. I think 443 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people watch Lamar, Josh and Jaden and 444 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: they're like, they can just put it where they want 445 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: better than Patrick Mahomes. 446 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like, how much of Burrows is 447 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: the fact that he has those crazy you are receivers. 448 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: They're just gonna well, No, I think Burrow is like 449 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: dumb accurate because he has to be because he's not 450 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: very fast and he doesn't have the strongest arm. So 451 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: the only way he can be as successful as he 452 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 1: is is like I think Burrow would maybe win the 453 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: contest of that net drill that Caleb failed the other 454 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: day if they did that, but like made it harder 455 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: and harder and harder. I think Burrow might be my 456 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: number one pick. But call me crazy in that drill, 457 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't take Lamar over Patrick. Again, maybe I'm a hater. 458 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: Next one, we get to mechanics where you list ten 459 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and Patrick's not one of them. And let me 460 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: tell you again, he has Lamar four. Yeah, I watch 461 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: Lamar play quarterback, and I'm like, man, if only Patrick 462 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: had as clean of mechanics as Lamar does, I do like, 463 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: I feel that way. I think it's a good take 464 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: the other ones. And again again like the if Geno, 465 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: Dak and Golf have better mechanics than Patrick, then maybe 466 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: mechanics are overrated. But mechanics didn't. Again, Patrick didn't make 467 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: the top ten decision making with the football. Patrick came 468 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: in fifth. Again I and then this is the this 469 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: is the one that really I couldn't. I couldn't get 470 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: over pocket presence Burrow one, Lamar two, Patrick three. Okay, 471 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: like whatever, I'm not gonna I don't even I don't 472 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: even know what we're doing here. But fine, that's Orlowsky's list. 473 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: He has a more fine tuned I for quarterback than me. 474 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: I suppose I think it is. I disagree with some 475 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: of those, but that's not my real beef. My real 476 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: beef is with Bill, because Bill debuts his quarterback pyramid 477 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: and has Josh Allen at the top. And the problem 478 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: with that is, and here's the problem with having as 479 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: long and as successful a career as Bill Simmons has had, 480 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: and a career that so many folks, myself included obviously, 481 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: literally grew up reading every single one of your sports 482 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: takes because Bill's column was must read for every sports 483 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: fan of my generation for more than a decade. The 484 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: problem with having that level of influence and being having 485 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: that long of a career is ear muffs, kids, We 486 00:33:53,680 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: remember what you fucking wrote. And for fifty f teen years, 487 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: Bill fought tooth and nail against the idea that anyone 488 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: would ever, under any circumstances consider Peyton Manning better than 489 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, even though for the entirety of those fifteen years, 490 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: Peyton had a strong, a far stronger case to be 491 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: considered better than Peyton Manning. I'm sorry that. Let me 492 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: back that up. Peyton had a far stronger case to 493 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: be considered better than Brady then Josh would have right 494 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: now to be considered better than Patrick. And this is 495 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: where all of these quarterback rankings are going. To be 496 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: self defeating. But let me just quick off the top 497 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: of my damn head, give you the Peyton versus Tom 498 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: first decade history. Win again a reminder, my pal Bill 499 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: built part of his massive empire on the take that 500 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning. If we go 501 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: two thousand to two thousand and five, Peyton has peeled MVPs, 502 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: but Peyton is zero to two in the playoffs against Tom. 503 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: Tom has three championships, Peyton has none. Peyton has never 504 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: been to a Super Bowl. So even though Peyton Manning 505 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: statistically speaking, was the far superior quarterback with MVPs, he 506 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 1: had never beaten Tom in a big spot. The championships 507 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: were three to nothing. Then in two thousand and six, 508 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: Peyton not only wins another I'm sorry, he's already won 509 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: two MVPs at that point, plays Tom in the AFC 510 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: Championship game. Tom's up I think twenty one to three 511 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: at halftime. Peyton comes all the way back and wins 512 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, wins, it beats Tom, and the playoffs 513 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: are now two to one. Peyton wins the Super Bowl, 514 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: and Bill, I think justifiably is still even though in 515 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: that moment all pros. Peyton has multiple tom As zero. 516 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: MVPs Peyton has multiple tom As zero. The playoff win 517 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: loss record is two to one. The rings are three 518 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: to one. Bill is still strident, steadfast correct Tom's better, 519 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 1: seemingly vindicated by the fact that the next year Tom 520 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: finally wins his first MVP team goes undefeated. They look 521 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: like one of the greatest teams ever until as double 522 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: digit favorites, they get beat in the Super Bowl. In 523 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: that moment, even though the rings were three to one, 524 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: the MVPs were two to one, the all pros were 525 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: two to one or three to one, I'm not sure, 526 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: and the playoff win loss record was two to one 527 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 1: in Tom's direction in that moment, if anyone had debuted 528 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: the take, Peyton has passed Tom because Tom didn't win 529 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl last year, Bill's head would have exploded. 530 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: And then, by the way, over the next decade, Tom 531 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: never beat Peyton in the playoffs again. There was a 532 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: brief time in Denver where it looked like maybe Peyton 533 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: had kind of overtaken the argument, and then Tom went 534 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: on that unbelievable twenty fourteen through twenty twenty run to 535 00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: cemended himself as the goat. But every single football take 536 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:11,919 Speaker 1: we have heard for twenty years from Bill Simmons has 537 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: valued playoff performance, doing it in the biggest spots. And 538 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: if you've got the belt, someone's got to come take 539 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: it from you. So when I saw the clip yesterday, 540 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: where the rationale for elevating Josh Allen, who is again 541 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: unlike Peyton Brady, where Peyton had the stats and Brady 542 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: had the wins, Maholmes has moral pros, more MVPs, better 543 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: career numbers, five trips to the Super Bowl to zero, 544 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: three rings to zero, and is four and zero in 545 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: the playoffs against him. When I hear the argument that 546 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: Mahomes played so poorly in the Super Bowl, he falls 547 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: down a peg without the obvious follow up being why 548 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: wasn't Josh in the Super Bowl? Bill? Because he couldn't 549 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: beat Patrick again? And that is where and again, I 550 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: think Josh is the second best quarterback in the league. 551 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: Now that Josh has a league MVP, I'm comfortable calling 552 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: him a future Hall of Famer. I think Josh eventually 553 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: is going to break through. I think Josh's ability last 554 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: year to cut down on the turnovers and still care 555 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: a team that wasn't all that talented at the skill position, 556 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: certainly on the outside was wildly impressive. But we have 557 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: to stop acting like these have been unfair fights, or 558 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: Josh hasn't had his chance in back to back years 559 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Once in Josh's building, once in Patrick's building, 560 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: Josh has gotten the ball late fourth quarter, down three 561 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: points the first time. He can only get them to 562 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: not the edge of field goal range, but not a 563 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: gimme field goal forty four yard or if I remember, 564 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: and that would have only gotten them the tie. With 565 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes left. There's a chance, finish the game, 566 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: ball in your hands. Don't let Patrick come back and 567 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 1: get it. They come away with zero points. Then last 568 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: year down three Conference championship game, plenty of time, can't 569 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: get to midfield, So do not do you cannot. And 570 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: this is why the quarterback ranking stuff right now can 571 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: be so frustrating for people. Has Patrick played in the 572 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: regular season his best ball in the last couple of years? No, 573 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: but who are again? And I've said it before, I 574 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: will say it again if you want to argue, you 575 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: know what, Jalen Hurts is the best quarterback in the league. 576 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone actually believes that, except for maybe 577 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: Jalen's lovely mother, who dressed me down a bit the 578 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 1: night before the Super Bowl. I don't even think Jalen 579 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: believes that. But if you want to argue that, at 580 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 1: least there is a case you can make. But for 581 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: the other three guys, as I sat a moment ago, 582 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:25,280 Speaker 1: the argument becomes instantly self defeating. Burrows' claim to fame 583 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: is what he did in the first two the first 584 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: postseason and a half of his career, going into Arrowhead, 585 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: beating Patrick, getting to the Super Bowl, then getting back 586 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: to the AFC Championship Game, and then he had a 587 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: pretty miserable second half with a chance to go to 588 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: a second straight Super Bowl, got the ball, tie game, 589 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: go get a field goal, got negative yards, loses, and 590 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: has not been back to the postseason since. There is 591 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: no time in the history of Pro football when there 592 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: have been multiple first ballot Hall of Famers active in 593 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: their prime where we would say a guy elevated himself 594 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: to best quarterback in the league in a two year 595 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: stretch where he plays zero playoff games not eligible. Lamar, 596 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: who's in the midst of arguably as good of a 597 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: two year regular season stretch as any player at his 598 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: position ever when that player to varying degrees, and this 599 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: past year was the most positive sign has come up 600 00:43:52,960 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: against the other two guys who he is in the 601 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: debate with for who's the best and both games gotten 602 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: out played by and lost to in the postseason Patrick 603 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,320 Speaker 1: two years ago and Josh last year. He's not gonna 604 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 1: have it. And across all of sports except for maybe 605 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: there were some people arguing Jerry West was better than 606 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: Bill Russell. But with respect, as great as the Mahomes 607 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: Reid Chiefs are, they are not the institutionally top to 608 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: bottom more talented team like the Russell Celtics. We have 609 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: never made an argument that win every single year for 610 00:44:54,719 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: a half decade, one guy beats an out plays another 611 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: guy in the postseason that the other guy's better. It's 612 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: a again for the entirety of Peyton versus Brady, when 613 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,280 Speaker 1: Peyton was a cult that whole decade plus. They only 614 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: played in the postseason three times and it was two 615 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: to one Tom, and it was still framed correctly as 616 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: if Tom held over him in the postseason. Imagine if 617 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: they played four times and it was four to zero 618 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: and So again, this is what I would ask my 619 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: pal Bill if Tom had beaten Peyton in six and 620 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: then gone on to lose that Super Bowl, and he 621 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: was up three to zero in the playoffs and the 622 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,280 Speaker 1: ring count was three zero and the super Bowl count 623 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: was for zero, and someone made the argument that Peyton 624 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: Manning was better based on Tom playing poorly in this 625 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: make believe two thousand and six super Bowl, what would 626 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: your reaction have been? And the answer as we know, so, 627 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: can we please please have a level of consistency on this, 628 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: that's all. Honestly, that didn't go quite as long as 629 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: I thought. And again I'm not trying to act like 630 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: I invented the pyramid style ranking of quarterbacks. What I 631 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 1: will say is, if you're going to really do it, 632 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: each level has to be one player bigger than the previous. 633 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: You can't go one, two, three, four five, five, five 634 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: five five. That's not the idea that that's not how 635 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,399 Speaker 1: a pyramid looks either at the and I mean it's 636 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,760 Speaker 1: just not. I mean I don't either. That's a crayon. 637 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: That's how a crayon looks, not how a pyramid looks. 638 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: That's first of all. Second of all, my Buddy Kate 639 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: W could have given you pointers on that when he 640 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,720 Speaker 1: was on the pod with you.