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Speaker 1: Innovating through technology is a form of survival. You know,

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Speaker 2: There Are No Girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 3: As a production of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative, I'm Bridge

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Speaker 3: Todd and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 3: One of the biggest questions that I'm grappling with these

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Speaker 3: When I scroll Twitter these days, it's clear just how

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Speaker 3: Enter spill Spill is a meme forward, highly visual social

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Speaker 3: media platform where users post spills. As in spilling, the team,

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Speaker 3: the team behind SPILL is clear that they want it

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Speaker 3: the platform is for everybody, and for Kenya Parum, building

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Speaker 1: My name is Kenya Parum and I serve as the

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Speaker 3: For Kenya, technology is just another and a long career

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Speaker 3: The story of traditionally marginalized people has always been a

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Speaker 1: It would look exactly like spill. That's exactly what it

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Speaker 3: That's I would have never put that together, but I

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Speaker 1: Bridget be clear though, right like and I have to

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is a far cry from some other platforms

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Speaker 3: peak that seemed to be all but abandoned. And so

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Speaker 3: for folks who maybe feel like they've been burned in

437
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: the past by that dynamic and platforms, what do you

438
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Speaker 3: say to those folks about joining spill is some Is

439
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Speaker 3: that a dynamic that you're familiar with? And what would

440
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Speaker 3: you say to somebody who who was worried about that

441
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Speaker 3: showing up to a new platform?

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Speaker 1: Girl From personal experience, I have been you know, taken

443
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: advantage of in influencer programs. I have been taken for granted.

444
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: I know what it feels like, I know what it

445
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: looks like. I think that's what also informs my position

446
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: and the position of you know, my colleagues and teammates

447
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: with spill right, our leadership looks like me and you.

448
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: That's not going to change you know, our team is

449
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: reflective of the teams that we are centering with this

450
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: app in every way, and that's not going to change.

451
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: Our terms of service in our community guidelines are super

452
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: clear and as we grow, they're only going to get

453
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: more and more refined. And so you know, I'd invite

454
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Speaker 1: everybody to look at what we are saying so that

455
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: we say what we mean and mean what we say

456
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Speaker 1: and hold us accountable to that. It's an invitation for

457
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: those many reasons I can say that I can't imagine

458
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Speaker 1: a world where you know, anything like that happens. Spill

459
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: is a company h that is founded on and centered

460
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: around these particular principles to make sure that marginalized communities

461
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: and creators receive proper attribution, to make sure that brands

462
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: know how to step to us correctly, and if they

463
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: need some help, let us, you know, bring them to

464
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: the table and make sure that they that they know

465
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: you know how to come correct and you know, to

466
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Speaker 1: make sure that we are treating this group of taste

467
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Speaker 1: makers as the stakeholders that we are. So that's not

468
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Speaker 1: going to happen. But you know, the best thing that

469
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: I can say is come along for the ride and

470
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Speaker 1: continue to hold us accountable, and we'll show.

471
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Speaker 3: You what When folks show up to spill, what are

472
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Speaker 3: you hoping? It feels like? Like what's the vibe that

473
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Speaker 3: y'all are trying to curate for the platform?

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Speaker 1: There was a creator cool Urban Hippie who posted a

475
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Speaker 1: picture of the the Great Migration photo who said, this

476
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: is what spill feels like right now. Uh Phil Lewis

477
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: posted an image of the rug Rats uh as as

478
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Speaker 1: Moses leading folks across the sea. keV on stage posted

479
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: that it feels like a you know, a huge cookout

480
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: and family reunion and it's bustin'. It really is like that.

481
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Speaker 1: Uh So, you know, I want folks to feel like,

482
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Speaker 1: you know, you're walking into your you know, cousins backyard

483
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: party where you know, you know people and you're ready

484
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: to meet new people that you don't know, and everybody

485
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: feels like family after the first thirty seconds, and you know,

486
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: by the time you've walked through the threshold, you've got

487
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: a plate in one hand and a sip in the

488
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Speaker 1: other and the DJ is you know, got you mobbing,

489
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: and that's it. You know, that's what we wanted to

490
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: feel like. And you know, the feedback that we've gotten

491
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: thus far is that you know, mission accomplished.

492
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Speaker 4: More.

493
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Speaker 3: After a quick break, let's get right back into it.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting to me that the images that people used

495
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Speaker 3: are like the Great Migration or leading someone. It does

496
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Speaker 3: feel like we were in this moment where every time

497
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Speaker 3: I had an interview, we're talking to somebody about platforms,

498
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Speaker 3: it would be like, where are we all going next?

499
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Speaker 2: Like, what's the next platform?

500
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Speaker 3: What does it feel like to be launching a place

501
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: that people are saying like, might feel a little better,

502
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: might feel a little more fun, might remind you what,

503
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: like what brought us to platforms in the first place?

504
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Speaker 3: In a moment where everybody is searching, what does it

505
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Speaker 3: feel like to have a plat to be running a

506
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Speaker 3: platform like that?

507
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Speaker 1: A tremendous amount of pressure and responsibility to get it

508
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: right because it's personal for me, right, this isn't just

509
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: a job. This is arguably the next sus of my

510
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: life's work. And many of my colleagues can say the

511
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: same thing. Another reason why you know this will always

512
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: be for us, by us. Everyone is welcome who is

513
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: down with our mission. Let me be clear, right, spill

514
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: is not at all you know about gatekeeping or excluding

515
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: those who are aligned with our mission. Doesn't matter if

516
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: you look like us or not, right, but you know,

517
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: we are just, you know, very demonstrative about what we

518
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: stand for, and if you're aligned with that, then cool.

519
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: But it's personal for me and for my colleagues, and

520
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: so I know we all feel a tremendous amount of

521
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: just a desire to get it right. We feel very

522
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Speaker 1: connected to the outcomes that we are project are going

523
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: to come from this endeavor and very much want to

524
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: make sure we do this thing the way that we're

525
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: supposed to. You know, we are building with intention, which

526
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: is why we have to kind of block out some

527
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: of the calls for people, you know, for asking us

528
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: to build faster or give us this feature right now,

529
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: or what have you. You know, a lot of this has

530
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: also been an education for our communities who have not

531
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Speaker 1: had access to beta products in tech for or as

532
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: much compared to our white counterparts, and so a lot

533
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: of people didn't recognize that they were walking into a

534
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Speaker 1: beta product or what that even meant. They didn't know, Oh,

535
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Speaker 1: their only iPhone only, Oh they're only a month a

536
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: week out of test flight. Oh they still have a

537
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: whole product roadmap that they have to fulfill. Right, A

538
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't recognize that was the case. And

539
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: so imagine our surprise to be a pre beta startup

540
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: app funded to the tune of three million dollars at

541
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: the time, in the same line as Threads, who bump

542
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: their timeline up because of us. Don't think I didn't

543
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: see that and all of the others, right, So imagine

544
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: our surprise to be named amongst the giants that lets

545
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: us know again, you know that this is the time

546
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: for us, that the market and the demand is there,

547
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: and that we just got to stay really focused, really disciplined,

548
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: and keep doing what we're doing, and the sky's the

549
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: limit for all of us.

550
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Speaker 3: I mean, speaking of Threads, Mark Zuckerberg famously his motto

551
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: was move fast and break things. And I personally don't

552
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 3: think that that ethos gets you intentional spaces that really

553
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: have taken the time and the intention to build something really,

554
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: you know, with a lot of thoughtfulness in mind. And

555
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: I think that when you are building a platform for

556
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: people who are traditionally marginalized to face things like harassment

557
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: or bullying and that kind of thing doxing just for

558
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: who they are, and showing up. You really don't want

559
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: to move too fast, and so I wonder is there

560
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: do you ever feel from folks who maybe really like

561
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: Spill that they're like, oh, this needs like I want

562
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: it to be open to everyone right away, or I

563
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: want there to be more people right away. Do you

564
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: is it difficult to resist the calls to do things

565
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: really quickly and to be for everybody right away as

566
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Speaker 3: opposed to taking a little bit slower and with a

567
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Speaker 3: little bit more intention.

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Speaker 1: You know, what we see the most are people wanting

569
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Speaker 1: all of the features all at once, right now immediately.

570
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: That's the that's the most pressure that we get. We've

571
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: actually seen some interesting you know, folks being very careful

572
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: and selective about who they give their golden ticket invites

573
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: out to on Spill. You know, that's been some interesting

574
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: behavior to watch folks be really protective and selective of

575
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: this space already. You know, we hear that people want

576
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: the features and that excites us because our team, we

577
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: know our product roadmap. Everybody else is going to find

578
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: it out in real time and the stuff that we've

579
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: got coming is very very very exciting, and it's going

580
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: to just open up a whole world of opportunity and

581
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: creativity to fulfill our mission. And as we've stated it,

582
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: you know again, I think it's just about us reminding

583
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: ourselves that we come to the table with decades of experience,

584
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: all of us combined, and this work didn't just start,

585
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, when we all took our position here. I'm

586
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: bringing my you know, experience, Fonds our CEO, bringing his

587
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: breadth of experience. I mean, I don't know if there's

588
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: anybody more talented and more perfectly positioned to lead us

589
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: in this endeavor than him. You know, somebody who was

590
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, the outgoing social and editorial head for that

591
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: former Bluebird app and you know, clear award winning Webby

592
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: Award winning can Lyon Award winning Come on, right, We've

593
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: got some of the best builders and technologists behind us.

594
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: So this is an a team, y'all. Right, Like this

595
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: is this is a really talented team who's bringing their

596
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: life's work to this space and we are being met

597
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: with a hell of a lot of support across across

598
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Speaker 1: the way. So we've got what we need to be successful.

599
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: And our biggest ask for our community is, you know,

600
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: come on, spill, have a good time, trust us and

601
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: or allow us to earn your trust and together we're

602
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna do this.

603
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Speaker 3: We're in this moment that feels like the future of

604
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: technology is kind of happening right now. What do you

605
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: see on the horizon as it pertains to technology or

606
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: platforms or what would you like to see in this moment? Like,

607
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: you know, what do you think is next for us?

608
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: In the space?

609
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: Spill is next? You know, what people experience right now

610
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: on platform is just a drop in the bucket of

611
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: what we have in store. There are tons of not

612
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: just features, but really interesting partnerships that we're going to

613
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: be bringing to the table again blending the IRL and

614
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Speaker 1: the URL in the advantage of people who are black, brown, queer,

615
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: and other marginalized groups. Right So we've never seen that before.

616
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Speaker 1: So I don't want to look past that opportunity right now.

617
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: I want to stay present in that this is the

618
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: space that we are cultivating and curating and stepping into

619
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: right now. And tremendous excitement fills my spirit when I

620
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: think about what we've yet to do and what we

621
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: can do.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I know you probably can't answer this, but

623
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Speaker 3: I promised my producer that I would ask.

624
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, wait a minute, I already know the answer.

625
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Speaker 2: You're not going to be an answer.

626
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: But okay, do you have any sense, any sense at

627
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: all of when it might be open to everybody and

628
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 3: not be invite only the answer?

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Speaker 2: Probably, I can't. You can't say, but the answer.

630
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: Do I have a sense of it? I have a

631
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: whole sense of it.

632
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: Oh, but can you share it with us?

633
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: You guys see a lesson in asking your questions?

634
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 4: That right? That is fair?

635
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: Do I have a sense? I have all the senses

636
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: I do. Here's what I will say. It's going to

637
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: be a really big quarter for us. It's going to

638
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: be a really big quarter for us. So get on

639
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: spill if you're not already, and I'd be happy to

640
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: extend a special exclusive for your listeners. I'm going to

641
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: drop an invite code for y'all. So for the listeners

642
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: of the There Are No Girls on the Internet podcast,

643
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: please accept this invitation to join the spill a verse.

644
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: You can use the code spill Mob that's s p

645
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: I L l M O B as your invite to

646
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: get on platform and I'll see you there.

647
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: Ken Yet, you've just made a lot of people very

648
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: happy because I have literally gotten dms that are like,

649
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: can you get me a spill code? Where's a spill code?

650
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: So you've made a lot of people very happy.

651
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: You can stop dming me, Kennyet. This is incredible.

652
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 3: I'm I'm rooting for you all like I'm already on spill.

653
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love how quickly it moves. I love how you

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Speaker 3: said this earlier night. It really sounded correct to me.

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Speaker 3: It feels like what the inside of my head looks

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Speaker 3: like sometimes, where it's references and memes and jokes and

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Speaker 3: video like. It feels like taking a walk through the

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Speaker 3: inside of my brain in the best way possible.

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Speaker 1: That's so great and that makes sense, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we are not a monolith at all, right, but there

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Speaker 1: is something to be said that we do have black

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Speaker 1: women as engineers in this product. So we do have

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Speaker 1: black women as the head of community and partnerships, support, moderation,

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Speaker 1: editorial as well. Right, right, we are in these spaces,

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Speaker 1: and so you know it should feel for us, by us,

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Speaker 1: because it is for us, by us, but it is

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Speaker 1: for us. It is by us, for us, and for

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Speaker 1: everybody who is in alignment with our with our mission.

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Speaker 1: Bridget I just want to say congratulations to you. I

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Speaker 1: think what you have done with this with this podcast

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Speaker 1: is incredible. I am a listener, I am a supporter.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me today and I

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Speaker 1: wish you all of the success. And I better see

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Speaker 1: this in the spill averse. You can put this on

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Speaker 1: the spool of course.

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Speaker 3: Of course, so with people are showing up on spill,

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Speaker 3: you know, given that it's still in beta, what kind

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Speaker 3: of relationship do you hope to have with folks to

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Speaker 3: us trying out the platform?

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Speaker 1: So, uh, we are building a reciprocal relationship with our

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Speaker 1: community in Spill and that's never really been done before

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Speaker 1: at this level either. And what that means specifically is

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Speaker 1: an invitation for the community to give us feedback. And

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what this beta stage allows us to do, right.

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Speaker 1: It means, you know, communicate with us, not just help

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Speaker 1: us find the bucks, but let us know what you'd

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Speaker 1: like to see. And I you know, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be starting, uh to engage with our creators on a

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Speaker 1: much more you know, one to one level to really

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Speaker 1: understand what types of you know, activities do you guys

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Speaker 1: you know, want to be engaging in on and off platform,

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Speaker 1: What types of tools do you need specifically when you

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Speaker 1: create over here? What would make you want to create

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Speaker 1: over here? Like, we really want to build this space

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Speaker 1: for UH, the creators who again are driving culture and

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Speaker 1: having to figure out how to move around weird algorithms

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Speaker 1: on other platforms.

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Speaker 4: UH.

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Speaker 1: We want we want to make sure that you feel

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Speaker 1: centered and that the tech that you engage with on

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Speaker 1: Spill feels like it was designed for you, because that's

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Speaker 1: what we're doing. So we are inviting everybody to partake

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Speaker 1: in this UH beta stage with us and give us

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Speaker 1: this feedback in real time so that when we do

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Speaker 1: make it to the Promised Land, we can look around

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Speaker 1: and know exactly how we got here, linked left and

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Speaker 1: arm with our cousins who helped us along the way.

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Speaker 3: So that's I'm so glad you added that, And it

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Speaker 3: goes back to what you were saying about. You know,

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Speaker 3: not every not everybody has had the experience of, you know,

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Speaker 3: beta testing something, and so if you've never had a

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Speaker 3: platform in beta before, or showed up to a platform

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Speaker 3: in beta, this could be your first time to really

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Speaker 3: see what that's about and really really help build the

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Speaker 3: platform that you want to see. So I would urge

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Speaker 3: listeners to really take you up on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and brands too, you know, don't sleep, don't sleep

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Speaker 1: brands would need to make their way to spill start

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Speaker 1: engaging with the spill verse because we are curating it

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Speaker 1: very intentionally. Like I've been saying, you know, a group

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Speaker 1: of folks who we know and they know set the trends.

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Speaker 1: But to have us all gathered in one space at

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Speaker 1: one time, celebs and notables mixed with content creators, mixed

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Speaker 1: with journalists, mixed with you know, public figures, mixed with

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Speaker 1: everyday folks, right, all in one beautiful gumbo is a

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Speaker 1: very powerful thing and they know that. So we need

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Speaker 1: everybody support to go the long haul. And Bridget, I'm

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Speaker 1: so grateful to have yours.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, thank you so much for being here, kidiot,

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Speaker 2: this was a dream. You are saying. You are such

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Speaker 2: a good podcast guest. I can't even I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: Got a story about an interesting thing in tech, or

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Speaker 3: Hello at tangody dot com. You can also find transcripts

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Speaker 3: for today's episode at tengody dot com. There Are No

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Speaker 3: Girls on the Internet was created by me Bridget Todd.

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Speaker 3: It's a production of iHeartRadio and Unbossed. Creative Jonathan Strickland

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Speaker 3: is our executive producer. Tarry Harrison is our producer and

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