1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired Hunt Podcast. I'm your host, 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number eleven. Today we're 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: diving deep into the topic of food plots and joining 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: us as the two thousand four CUTIA made Deer Manager 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: of the Year, a wildlife habitat consultant and author of 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: the new book Food Plot Success by Design. This is 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: Jeff Sturgis, So kick back, get ready to take some 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: notes and enjoy. All right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast. 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: Here with me as always is my partner in crime, 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: Dan Johnson, and with us today also is a very 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: special guest, Mr Jeff Sturgis. Welcome to the show. Jeff, Yeah, thanks, 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: great to be on the show. Yeah. We're excited about 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: as well. And you know, Jeff, as I mentioned in 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: the show introduction, you were the Quality Deer Management Association's 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: two thousand for Deer Manager of the Year. You run 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: a very successful wildlife habitat consulting business, and you've also 19 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: authored two books, White Tail Success by Design and Food 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: Plot Success by Design. Can you tell us a little 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: bit about how you got into white tail hunting and 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: habitat management and then you know how it all became 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: a profession for you. Sure, I sure can Um I 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: think you know. We'll try to make a long story 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: very short, but um, you know, going back unto when 26 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: I first became interested in hunting, I grew up in 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: a fishing family. No one in my family hunted at all, 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: but through fishing, through UH magazines like Outdoor Life and 29 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: Fields and Stream, I was exposed to hunting. And I 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: think I was sixteen, my brother was fourteen. We asked 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: for bows to start hunting, and um, it really led 32 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: into an extreme passion for white tailling. And I did 33 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: small game hunt in the beginning years and I still 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: do a little bit, but boy, everything whitetail was, uh, 35 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, a quick love of mine, and that led 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: into boy in my twenties, UH, purchasing our first land 37 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: that we could hunt on hunting in the sub area Michigan. UM. 38 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: Through that first in that land, I found that in 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: the nineties or just really wasn't much information out there 40 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: on food plotting and even that a habitat improvement. So 41 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: I really had to scour and look to find you 42 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: know quality information on how to plant food plots, how 43 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: to improve your hat that through there has led to 44 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: and pointing towards UH fellow by the name of Ed Spinozola, 45 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: which many people know. I consider him to be the 46 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: father of father modern food plotting. Just a great guy, 47 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: wealth of information, and so I was pretty lucky to 48 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: find something like that. I think that would have been 49 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: back through d UM. It really got exposed to the 50 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: quality of Germ Management Association UM through their UH just 51 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: continue to make improvements on my own habitat, and I 52 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: think it helped almost that I didn't have anyone guiding 53 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: me along the way, you know, I didn't have a 54 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: dad or an uncle saying sitting this blind, do this, 55 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: do that. It really had to search for information on 56 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: my own through that UM, really and I found it. 57 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: There was a need out there to find information and 58 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people just didn't have that information readily 59 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: available to him. So I looked to write about it, 60 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: and I think I wrote my first article for Quality 61 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: White Tells in the end of two thousand three, first 62 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: part of two thousand four, and that was on my 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: proper efforts in the up of Michigan, and from there 64 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: just kind of snowball. Um. It was recognized in two 65 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: thousand four with the ol Brothers Jear Manager of the 66 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: Year award, and then um from there started getting calls 67 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: from the Roman country. You know, took this junk soil 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: and turned it into something, and UH had people calling 69 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: me asking me how, you know, how I would improve 70 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: their land in Mississippi or Pennsylvania or Lower Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: wherever it might be, and well, you know, I could 72 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: maybe start a business with this. So in two thousand 73 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: five start wait till I have test solutions and traveling 74 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: around the country to help people and assist people on 75 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: their own land, and continue to write about it. Um. 76 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: You know, through the Internet and hunting sites, blog sites, 77 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: it became readily available that you know, you really could 78 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: right for these blogs and throw a lot of information 79 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: out there, and I enjoyed sharing that information and participating 80 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: in the discussions out there on the same subjects. Through 81 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: that to just you know, boy, after I published a 82 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: few articles of pubity White Kills Michigan out of Doors, 83 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: I thought I had enough information that I could start 84 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: writing some books. And that was actually several years before 85 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: I ventured in the writing books. Um, but in two 86 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: thousand twelve bucks found me able to put the first 87 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: one together, and in thousand and fourteen and just made 88 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: it this year and put the second one together, and um, 89 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: you know here we are. I think what's really helped 90 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: again is going back to having that passion to do it, 91 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: in that drive which a lot of people do, but 92 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: really having that thirst to find information and really learned 93 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: on my own, um and seeking as much information out 94 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: there as I could I can think of. I think 95 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: you had Craig and Neil Dougherty on last week or 96 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: week week before, and Neil Doherty and his book Rome 97 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: Right was a great book, one of the first ones 98 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: really that provided a wealth of information on the subject. 99 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: So trying to find information like that, put it together, 100 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: experienced my own observations and uh field experience with all 101 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: my clients around the country, and uh I've really feel 102 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: like I've been less than fortunate enough to live in 103 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: the way so what's most of the year and be 104 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: a little right about it in return? That's awesome. Well, 105 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: I know that I'm certainly glad that you've been able 106 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: to share those those different lessons learned because I've been 107 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: able to take a lot from what you've shared online 108 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: in your books, and it's helped me a lot too. Um. 109 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: But before we dive too much further into the real 110 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: meat and potatoes of what I wanted to chat about 111 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: here today, Dan, did you have anything else that you 112 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: want to touch on related to Jeff, you know, his 113 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: history of your personal life or anything like that. Well, okay, so, Jeff, 114 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: I guess we're starting a new, a new little thing 115 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: on every podcast. And the way Mark has it in 116 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: the notes here, it says Dan's crazy question. So I 117 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: just found out about this like two minutes before you 118 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: were on the call. So to keep everyone on their toes, right, 119 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: I had to come up with one role, and so 120 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: I guess my crazy question of the day to you is, 121 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: Let's say you just get done with a hard day 122 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: at work or you've been out in the timber, you know, 123 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: hunting pretty hard. You're gonna go to your fridge and 124 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna pull out a cold beverage or put uh 125 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: beverage on ice. What are you drinking? Oh? Boy, has 126 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: putting me on the spot, isn't it? Um? You know? 127 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: Was that walking a lot during the day? Ready to relax? Uh? Yeah, 128 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: if I'm ready to relax. Um, there's uh, there's a 129 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: few choice beers that I don't mind sitting down to 130 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: and have a couple of um and and I think 131 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: something like along lines or an I P a um. 132 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: We have something over here called it Downtown Brown Um. 133 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: You know, one of those you can just kind of 134 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: take a slow step to in something cold. Um. You know. 135 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: I do actually like uh Diapetes something like that, that 136 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: cola so um. But really, if I was just going 137 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: to relax, it'd probably be along the lines of one 138 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: of those I P s. Okay, now we know a 139 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: little bit more about you. Yeah, I guess so Dan, Dan, 140 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it back at you two because you know, 141 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: we've talked occasionally about our cold beverages here on the show. 142 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: We're all of age, of course, but I don't know 143 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: if we've ever gotten to the specific So, Dan, what 144 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: are you tipping back after a long, hard day in 145 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: the office. Uh, Well, for most of the time, I'm 146 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: gonna have to probably say of the time, it's gonna 147 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: be Jack Daniels on ice and that's about it. But 148 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: that's if I'm not going anywhere, if I still have 149 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: some things to do, like maybe mod the yard or 150 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: something like that. I'll probably crack, like aligning googles of 151 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: some of some sort okay, salad salad choice. I'm I'm 152 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: a domestic light and cold guy, so it's it's usually 153 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: a cheap light beer. Whatever is handy at the time 154 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: is is what I'll probably crack after a hot day outside. 155 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: But you probably, like our Milwaukee's best over here, had 156 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: a little experience with that back in the day. Al Right, 157 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: So now yes, back to white Tails. Yeah, exactly what 158 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: we really wanted to talk about today other than beer 159 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: is your new book. It's really revolving around food plots. 160 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: And that book was called Food Plot Success by Design, 161 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: and I've read it and I believe it's really one 162 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: of the most unique and interesting habitat related books I've 163 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: ever really read. But for the listeners out there, Jeff, 164 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: could you tell us a little bit more about what 165 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: this by design concept means and how you apply it 166 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: to food plots in this book? Yes, um, And you 167 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: know that's to me, every improvement that you make in 168 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: the woods for White Tails should relate to each other. 169 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is whether you're creating 170 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: a great betting area back in the knoll food plot 171 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: and a nice clear and even travel corridors um native 172 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: grass plat things. I really feel like that each one 173 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: has a place on your property and nothing should be random, 174 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: and in that extense, your food plots too, and that 175 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: food plots should fit with and the entire movement of 176 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: deer on your property. I believe that you can use 177 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: food plots to not only attract dear hold them and 178 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: protect them here in the season. I also think that 179 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: you can use food plots to determine where they travel 180 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: on your property, how they relate to your own bedding 181 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: areas on your property, and ulplinately how that places them 182 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: in front of your stand locations. So when I wrote 183 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: that book, um, I wanted to discuss not just you know, 184 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: how to plan a foot plot. There's some great books 185 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: out there, including the gum Age Quality White Tells, edg Spenders, Alas, 186 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: food plot books just some great how twos on planning 187 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: foot plots. But what I thought there was lacking was 188 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: just um a lot of information out there, and not 189 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: only again how you can attract these dear your property, 190 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: but what's that level of attraction, what do you do 191 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: with it? UM. I think at some point you can 192 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: attract something dear your property, and then if you go 193 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: out there and you hunt half anzwardly or aggressively on 194 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: your property, you can create a situation where you actually 195 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: repel more dear than you attract, meaning they developed attract, 196 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: repel condition that deer come in there, attract to do 197 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: a quality food source. Um. And then you repel them off, 198 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: and you're almost better huff not planting the food plot 199 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: if that's the case. At the same time, you can 200 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: use that food as a direction to travel. For example, 201 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: you could have long, narrow food strips that are pointing 202 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: off of your property and not seeing people you know 203 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: almost accidentally do that to where they're setting up their 204 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: neighbor thirty ft off the property line. Um. And so 205 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: at the same time youing trust those around and compliment 206 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: them with betting areas and uh and keep those deer 207 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: on your property. And there's some other things too, will 208 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: probably talk about later, but I know, even food plots 209 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: as it relates to where your position does and bucks 210 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: and and the type betting that you have on your property, 211 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: and where you can determine where do you're actually holding 212 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: your in the daylight hours. Yeah, I just love this 213 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: whole concept of of using these food plots strategically to 214 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: influence your movement and then to help you as a hunter. 215 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: Like you said, you know, most other books and most 216 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: other information out there that I've seen has always been 217 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: focused on the what to plant, how much fertilizer to 218 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: put out, what time of year to plant, etcetera. And 219 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: that's important information, but like you said, there seemed to 220 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: be a lack of of resources about how to more 221 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: strategically use these food plots as part of a of 222 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: a greater system. And and that's really what I've taken 223 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: from your books and it's helped me a ton. But 224 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: maybe taking a step back to the basics a little 225 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: bit for someone who's new to food plotting, maybe one 226 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: of our listeners who's who's always wanted to try it 227 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: but been intimidated or for whatever reason, felt they had 228 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: limitations that kept them from being able to plant food plots. 229 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: You know, what questions should someone like that be answering 230 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: or looking into right now before getting started with the 231 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: food plot, Because at least from what I understand what 232 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: I've seen, you certainly don't want to just go buy 233 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: a bag of seed and toss it in open area. 234 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: There's a lot more to it. So what should someone 235 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: new to food plotting be thinking about before getting started? Well, 236 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: that puts a lot of thoughts spending into my head. 237 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: Mark I think, um, uh, you know one of the 238 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: things that just just right off the bat um just 239 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: something very basic. And I'm looking at actually some new 240 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: food plots here around my my home area here in 241 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: Wisconsin now and and one of the first things we're 242 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: looking at is can we get seed on the ground? Um? 243 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: Are we going to be able to get the seed 244 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: on the soil. They have a lot of great throw 245 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: and grow mixes where you can just take some seed 246 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: and toss it out in the field and hope to 247 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: grow something. But one, if that seeds not hitting the sawyer, 248 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to grow anything into If 249 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: you're competing with weeds and vegetation, you're not going to 250 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: grow anything either. And so just getting that seed on 251 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: the soil is the first step. And that includes is 252 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: this area have enough elevation? Um? Is it going to 253 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: be wet during the fall? Um? Are you gonna have 254 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: any problem with a type of non solid soil to 255 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: where you have moss or or spongy. Your type swamp 256 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: location UM is a two rocky is a full of 257 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: shale UM, so you can you don't even have a 258 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: good UH soil based to work with. And then and 259 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: then going from there, really what the conditions of the 260 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: soil and so that would include UM, your pH level, 261 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: and where your fertility needs to going to be. And 262 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: what I found is, you know, all that can sound 263 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: a little bit overwhelming to someone and and uh, you know, 264 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: it's not that it's not some work. But at the 265 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: same time, I've seen some incredible food plots planted in 266 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: areas and again you have, you know, one of the the 267 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: things you really have to get almost full sun seventy 268 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: eight hours a day UM. But that aside, has seen 269 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: some great food plots planted in the areas that were 270 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: that included very poor soil. UM. You just have to 271 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: match the seed to the soil condition, meaning that you're 272 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: not going to put a high quality clover brand in 273 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: sand at least the first year before building up the 274 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: soil base. UM, you're just opening yourself up to failure, 275 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: no different than trying to plant corn in that same location. UM. 276 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: And it might be you don't need to plant some 277 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: of the lower quality or basic seeds and some high 278 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: quality soil that might be uh more conducive to growing 279 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: on a high quality planting right, Yeah, that makes sense. Uh, 280 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: kind of taking a quick jog out from where I 281 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: want to go with this. But you mentioned the fact, Um, 282 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: you know that you've had some success still, you know, 283 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: making food plots work in those tough soil conditions. And 284 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: I know this is something that a lot of people 285 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: struggle with and have questions about, especially in the northern regions, 286 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: at least from in my case having some family property 287 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: up in northern Michigan, we've struggled with the fact that 288 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: we've got very acidic soil. Um. Maybe really briefly, UM, 289 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: if you don't mind taking a quick um step off 290 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: of our of our main path here, you know, how 291 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: would you recommend people go about getting um, you know, 292 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: food plots started in an area like that with really 293 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: bad soil conditions. I know you mentioned about matching the 294 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: seed to the soil. But could you dive down that 295 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: path there's a little more. Yeah, sure, can um now 296 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: offer me? Uh, I'm fortunate enough to live down in 297 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: some nearly high quality soil areas down in southwest Wisconsin 298 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: right now. But I really cut my teeth into a 299 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: major portion of my food. Putting up in the up 300 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: to Michigan about twenty miles south Immunising. It was extremely 301 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: sandy soil, very low pges. My phs were initially starting 302 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: in the high force to low fives, and you know, 303 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: so very acidic soil, and my soil tests all recommended 304 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: over four tons per acre. Now, for example, I might 305 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: have an open type area even that it's been logged 306 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: and nothing art regenerated and grown for for a long 307 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: period of time, and solids basically starting with ferns and 308 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of such and a few wheats here 309 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: and there. But the soil is even such low quality 310 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: that what it really wasn't conducive to even high quality 311 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: wheats or loan crops. But what I followed was very quickly, 312 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: especially with sand um, sand reacts to line very quickly. 313 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: It's particle for particles. If you have uh small fine 314 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: crushed lime and you get that on the side of 315 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 1: the sand can change a pH quickly. And I had 316 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: plots that I originally started with just an h TV 317 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: and a sprayer and or even a handheld backpack sprayer, 318 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: and I would start those by spraying in July, killing 319 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: the weeds, getting it down to soil that was almost 320 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: exposed because of a lack of wheat base, and then 321 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: as long as that soil was open, its getting the 322 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: lime on there in July August and putting out about 323 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty to two hundred pounds of rye 324 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: per acre by the end of August, early September, and 325 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: by the end of October, middle of October, I had 326 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: a great green field of rye and really the only uh, 327 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: the only implements that I needed initially was a backpack 328 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: sprayer and a even a rake and handheld broadcaster, and 329 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: so you can do it very basic and very cheap 330 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: on very poor soils and and really even lime. Later 331 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: on I graduated to a ptomnted spreader, but I had 332 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: to put on that property over sixty tons of line 333 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: in eight years, and those were all bags, fifty pound bags, 334 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: and um now I did later on I was able 335 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: to empty about thirty tons thirty five tons bags into 336 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: the PTO amounted spreader spread a thousand pounds of the time, 337 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: and that seemed like a huge luxury to me, But 338 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: I did spread about fifteen tons just by simply opening 339 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: the bottom of the bag of powdered line and then 340 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: walking with it, spreading at about five ft wide as 341 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: I walked by a hundred feet And if you do 342 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: the math, that works out about two tons breaker and 343 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: I can say you get really good at it after 344 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 1: you spread several tons. Yeah, I bet well. I'll be 345 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: putting that that idea to the test here pretty soon 346 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be working on our northern Michigan property 347 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: and putting out a lot of lime too, so we'll 348 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: see how it goes. Yeah, And I think, um, you know, 349 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: one of the other just you know, you have all 350 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: that is getting the seat on the soil and actually 351 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: trying to grow successful crop. But really, um, I guess 352 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: we could take a step act from there and is 353 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: this food plot going to be located in an area 354 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: that hurts you? To help you and help you? And 355 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: one of the chapters that I wrote about is it 356 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: talks about the risk of food plots and the rewards too, 357 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: And to me, the higher the level of potential reward, 358 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: the higher the level of risk. And what I mean 359 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: by that is, if you're going to attract a large 360 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: number of gear to this location. Is that a good 361 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: location for your attract a large number of gear? Two 362 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: And for example, UM, having a great November food source 363 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: located right behind your cabin where you have to walk 364 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: through an opening to get to all your tree stands 365 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: every single morning just might not be the best place 366 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: because they're attracting all these gear here during the evening 367 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: and dark hours, and then you're starting off an hour 368 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: before light and driving deer off your property before the 369 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: hunt even begins. So that location is really critical in 370 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: a location. Really, Um, if you can hide the food 371 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: plot from your access, it's probably gonna be in a 372 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: decent spot. Um. That's that's a general rule. But if 373 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: you have to walk through it to get to other 374 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: tree stand location or stand locations or other portions of 375 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: your property, you might want to avoid that location, even 376 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: if it's perfect soil and it already cleared the location. Yeah, 377 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: now that's something I've dealt with personally as well, and 378 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: and really it was some of the things that you've 379 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: said over the past couple of years that convinced me 380 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: that I need to make a change. I am on 381 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: one of the properties that I hunt, one of the 382 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: only areas that looked to be open enough to put 383 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: a food plot in. UM happened to be right along 384 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: one of my main travel routes deeper into this property. 385 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: But at the time I just wanted to get something 386 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: in the ground. I did a little bit of weed 387 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: killing and stuff. I need to open it up and 388 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: put the food plot on there. But then over the 389 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: past couple of years, I've seen repeatedly, you know what 390 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 1: I should have assumed would happen, and that's that I 391 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: was busting deer out of there when I was trying 392 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: to enter or act of the field for ext of 393 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: the property. UM. So this year I actually decided to 394 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: UM to make the tough decision, and I'm letting it 395 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: grow up. I'm not going to replan it because, like 396 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: you said, there's no point to attract and then repel them. UM. 397 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: Like you said, it just makes things worse. Actually, So yeah, 398 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: and I you know, and the one other things just 399 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: real quick, I've you know, I get to go to 400 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: dozens of clients a year across a wide range. I 401 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: think I've worked in sixteen seventeen states just the last 402 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: few years. And the consistent theme that I see is 403 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: I have a lot of clients tell me they put 404 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: these food plots in and our first year we had 405 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: the plots was our best year. And then each year 406 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: after that we saw a fewer deer during the daytime hours. 407 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: Now in some cases access on a larger box and 408 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: older box, but then they were there, they were in 409 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: the middle of the night. And then so they can 410 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: created this condition around these plots um of high risk 411 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: to the deer herd. And it wasn't just the plots 412 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: the area that those deer associated with a high stress 413 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: level or risk level, but it has a rippling effect 414 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: for you know, a hundred yards or hundred fifty yards 415 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: into the cover around that plot, depending on the size 416 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: of the plot. And uh, and I believe you can 417 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: take a forty acre parcel and great food pot in 418 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: the middle of that forty acres and essentially keep the 419 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: deer in the neighborhood from entering that entire forty acres 420 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: until after dark. As that that condition in that central plot, 421 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: it's just too high of a risk level that extends 422 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: into the cover surrounding it too, right, right, Yeah, it's 423 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: definitely something you need to think about that a lot 424 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: of people aren't talking about when it comes to food plots. 425 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: But it's an important it's an important thing to bring up. 426 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: Is that risk and how you manage that? Um? So 427 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm curious, Dan, you're a guy who's who's not hunting 428 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: property you own or property you've got soule access to. 429 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: You know what, while you're hearing all this, what are 430 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: your thoughts or questions you might have about food plotting 431 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: from that perspective. Well, I guess the first question that 432 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: comes into my head is because I don't own property, 433 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: and you know, I probably could do some alteration to it, 434 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: but it would be very minimal. And you know, like 435 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: you said, I would not I wouldn't want to repel 436 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: any deer from a situation. Is there anything that a 437 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: guy like myself could do to let's say an egg 438 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: field or to the area surrounding an egg field to 439 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: potentially improve my chances or you know a chance of 440 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: not only shooting a deer but getting are seeing more 441 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, a really already talking to idle egg land 442 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: or agg land that's in production, in production. Um, you know, 443 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: there's really it depends on probably the relationship you have 444 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: with the farmer and or the person renting the land 445 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: to plant. Um. For example, sweepings. That's a great crop 446 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: to go into. You know, basically people are planting their 447 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: farmers are planting the Serbians and Serbians that say real 448 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: particularly right about now, and they have a little over 449 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: a hundred day maturity rate and at the end of 450 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: that hundred days least ourt turning brown and uh and 451 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: they're going through their life cycle well at that time, 452 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: and early September to mid September, it's a great time 453 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: to go in there. And you can actually hand broadcast 454 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: up to two hundred pounds of rye or wheat and 455 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking to winter rye or wheat right into the 456 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: staining beans and you'll have a nice crop of green 457 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: going into the middle of the middle of October. That's something, 458 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: of course you want to check with a farmer first, 459 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: but it's it's a very that the lands already fertilized. 460 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: It's the weeds have already been taken care of. The 461 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: soil is going to be exposed and non shaded because 462 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: the leads are turning brown. It's a great time just 463 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: simply going there. In the hand, I use the earthway 464 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: it's a red bag spreader, and I think I've gone 465 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: through four of those and over about a twelve year period, 466 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: ten year period, and I believe that I figured out 467 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: one time they each one seems like they take about 468 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: seven thousand pounds of seed and fertilizer through them before 469 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: they wear out. And that's an awful lot with the 470 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: miles on your shoulder walking with it. But um, simply 471 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: that spread I believe it's forty fifty dollars and that 472 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: in some cheap rye or wheat seat and throwing that 473 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: in the standing slaving is a great option. Another thing 474 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: too is if you want to, um, if you have 475 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: the resources to pay the farmer for an acre corn 476 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: or half acre corn, that could be another option to 477 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: where you're locating that corn that easily standing for you 478 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: in an advantageous spot as it relate to your access 479 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: and potential stand locations within the woods. Um. The one 480 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: thing I would encourage not to do in there is 481 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: a lot of times farmers which makes a lot of sense. Um, 482 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: it's an advantage to them if you if you buy 483 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: those outer rows against the woods. So sometimes it might 484 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: not even be a kernel of corn in those outer rows, 485 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: as coons and deer uh scavenge even bear at complates 486 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: a lot of those outer edges. But again that's another 487 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: option to um uh you can use your planting. So 488 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: those are a couple of ways you wouldn't even have 489 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: to really worry about any kind of tillage implements at all. 490 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: That's uh, that's some really cool ideas there. I I 491 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: never would have thought about, you know, overseating something like 492 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: rye um or wheat on the standing crop, but that 493 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense. Like you said, no shade 494 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: or they're yeah, they're not they're not covered up by 495 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: the leaves, and you've got fertilized soil, and that's a 496 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: neat idea. I might actually try that in some of 497 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: my spots too. I think I'm going to try that 498 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, that works works really well. And if 499 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: you notice, one of the ways they actually plant wheat 500 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: in some areas is by flyover with a plane, so 501 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: you dropped that seed right on the exposed soil um 502 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: every year because I go through so much winter ride 503 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: no winter, rye is the most soil tolerant, pH tolerant, 504 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: cold hardy tolerant seed for right eitherre is um, so 505 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: you can really literally every year I have a grow 506 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: in the back of my pick up, right within the 507 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: mix of pine needles and sarch or whatever mixture there 508 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: is back there, little girl, every year I have a 509 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: small crop of rye in the back of my pickup. 510 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: That's awesome. So taking taking a step back then again 511 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: here um, sort of looking at food plots at high level. Again, 512 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people use food plots or assume they 513 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: have to use food plots with just two main goals 514 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: in mind, that being to hunt over or to improve 515 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: available nutrition for deer. Um. Now, in your opinion, Jeff, 516 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: is that all there is to it? Or can you 517 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: achieve more with the use of food plots? Are you? 518 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: I think you can achieve so much more, even the 519 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: nutritional aspects. There's so much food available to deer within 520 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: the growing season in the midwest and north half of 521 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: the country. Now that that flips to the opposite when 522 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: you travel into the south where the you have the 523 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: southern drought and really harsh conditions during the summertime. They 524 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: actually have better conditions in some places in the wintertime. Um. 525 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: But but again the nutrition levels are really captured, uh, 526 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: primarily by the habitants that we have in the midwest 527 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: and northern half of the country now include agg fields 528 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: and even when you go up to the UK and 529 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: Michigan and personal conversation with John Azoga before it was 530 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: noted research whitetail biologists. He's he's explained to me, and 531 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: you could figure there's five times as much food available, 532 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: uh than the deer actually need in the northern parts, 533 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: just because the deer numbers are low. And even though 534 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of high quality food, there's 535 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: a lot of it compared to the numbers of deer. 536 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: When you get into um using food to kill deer. UM, 537 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: let's look at this way I had. I think in 538 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: two thousand six I had eight teen makers in my 539 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: own plots and free states on lease properties. And that 540 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: was my own property, and that was Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. UM. 541 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: So eight teen makers and plots over thirty food plots. 542 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: And I think in the past years I start planning 543 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: food pots, have shot maybe a fee on, you know, 544 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: a couple of dozen bucks in that three there seven 545 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: eight year old range and I've shot two of them 546 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: on food plots themselves. So all the food plots are 547 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: great for hunting, and I think they serve in a 548 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: significant and purpose, uh. For for our landour's property. A 549 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 1: lot of people think that you're going to sit right 550 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: over these food pots and shoota on mature box. And 551 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: in my experience, I've shot a lot of bucks that 552 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: we're relating to our food pots, but they might have 553 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: been actually four hundred yards away or two higher yards away. 554 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: So and that kind of gets into that other topic 555 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: of UM depending on when your food is complementing the 556 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: cover that you have UM, in particular in November. UM, 557 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: I like having food because you can hold it der 558 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: hurt on your property and protect that dear hurt and 559 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: even in advance those bocks, those younger bucks to our 560 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: next age class to a higher percentage if you have 561 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: food that that is available during that critical November time 562 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: when really people are blasting around the woods, moving around 563 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: the woods, and you have this one little honey hoole 564 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: of that you can compliment high quality cover with food 565 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: and actually holds dear And I'd always look at it 566 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: if you're holding those deer on your property, even if 567 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: you're lightly hunging the outside or just lately hunting around 568 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: that property, as long as that mature box there and 569 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: you hunt safely. UM. I believe what I found is 570 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: by and large you'll you'll have an opportunity to have 571 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: a SAT book if you don't spook them off. And 572 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: so um, just as again, how much that food can 573 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: help you, it can hurt you, boy, it's so powerful 574 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: if you use it to actually hold and protect those 575 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: box and give yourself continuous hunting opportunities on that book 576 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: basically by not letting that that buck noise being hunted. 577 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: So I don't think that's a real critical aspect of 578 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: food plotting outside of just the nutrition and and setting 579 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: up a stand location to kill them. Yes, So that 580 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: that's a perfect kind transition to what my next question was, 581 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: which was, you know, how do you then set up 582 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: on these properties with these food plots. I know you 583 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: mentioned that you're not killing many of your deer right 584 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: on the food plot, but can you tell us a 585 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: little bit more about how you are positioning your stands 586 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: in real asian to those plots um to take advantage 587 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, sure can. And one of the just 588 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: a consistent being you see and this and it makes 589 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: sense you think about it, But I'm um, traditionally hunting 590 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: closer to the food in the evening and away from 591 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: the food in the morning and the reason for that 592 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: is the most consistent and this is something that to 593 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: me is one of the best most critical components of 594 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: even habitat management and land manager managed for deer and 595 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: especially high look at with my clients. The most consistent 596 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: dear movement in the woods for the entire year is 597 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: daytime betting the evening food sources in that movement, so 598 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: you can count on every deer that's read it in 599 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: the woods, um traveling to the preferred evening food sources 600 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: like dinner time for us and so UM dear a 601 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: rhythmic pattern. Feeders they feed five times in the twenty 602 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: four hour period, and so that to think of all 603 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: those times they're feeding, they're standing up a couple of 604 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: times in the day. They want to be able to 605 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: move around for mid quality brows end feed, but they're 606 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: thinking about going to that agg field or that stand 607 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: of acorns or apple orchard. They really want to hit 608 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: that in the evening. So when you're setting up that 609 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: continuum movement, then um, you know that's that's the most 610 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: important basic use of food plotting. And so in the evening, 611 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: if you're a long ways away from that food the 612 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: post you get too dark in theory, are less likely 613 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: you should be able to see deer. On the other hand, 614 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: in the morning if I know these deer are either 615 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: in that food source or around that food source in 616 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: the morning hours, and I'm gonna do my best to 617 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: get way around those deer. And a lot of times 618 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: get on the back side of a bedding area with 619 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: the scent going away from that bedding area, or in 620 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: the case of the hell country out here in the 621 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: wisconcern um, you can use the elevation to cheat the 622 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: wind a little bit um either being above the bedding 623 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: area letting your almals go up in the morning um, 624 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: or getting on a bench or travel corridor on inside 625 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: warner of a swamp, maybe a large idle cow pasture 626 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: or crp field. We'll get on that inside inside corner 627 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: between two high quality betting areas to where you might 628 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: have food in an entirely different direction. And you're coming 629 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: into the stand location in the morning, between two petting 630 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: areas in the pre rudder rot and waiting for those 631 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: bucks to cruise back and forth. And that's a you know, 632 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: in my experience, and here the up a lot of 633 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: the guys are gonn to shoot big Bucks consistently mature 634 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: bucks around, Um, they're hunting those a lot of those 635 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: betting areas or those betting area trinal corridors in the morning, um, 636 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: when when bucks are pretty active and low temperatures all 637 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: the way up until noon and then getting on those 638 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: food sources and evening a lot of times even with 639 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: those As I'm getting into that food source, I'm looking 640 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: at it. How close can I get to that food source? 641 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: And if you can imagine twenty deer out of that 642 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: food source or ten or five can I get in 643 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: and out of my stand without spooking deer on that 644 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: food source. If the answer is no, that I need 645 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: to back up a little bit. And one of the 646 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: ways to narrow down how those gear are coming into 647 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: that plot or where is if those two are better 648 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: dry all day. There's nothing better that you can do 649 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: than uh than add a water hole to define exactly 650 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: how they travel to that food And so here we're 651 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: adding a ten yell and tank burying in the ground 652 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: and keeping it half full of water and maybe a 653 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: quarter full of some soil, and or we're digging out 654 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: our own water hole. Or you know, some people have 655 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: the luxury of getting in some equipment to make a 656 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: large water hole. But that's one way to de find 657 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: holes to you are coming in in the evening to 658 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: that food source. Yeah, that's a that's another great tip 659 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: for someone in my position or Dan's, you know, when 660 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: we don't own land. I think that's probably an easy 661 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: thing that we could do to help better define that 662 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: travel to Um. You know, speaking of Dan, I know 663 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned a question to me earlier, you want to 664 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: ask Jeff about related to public land hunting. Did you 665 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: want to throw that one that one in here? Maybe? Yeah, 666 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: I guess. Um it kind of all comes back to 667 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: having the ability to manipulate the land that you hunt. 668 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, obviously you can't go in you know, 669 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: some public land they do have food plots in there 670 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: that the government puts in. But any tips or tricks 671 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: for a public land hunter, Yeah, and I think, you know, 672 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: it really depends on the state. And know, we'll talk 673 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: about a couple two different areas. One would be on 674 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: natural foods horses and one would debate and I have 675 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: you know guys that are up there hunting with faiths 676 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: or hunting. So that's a good thing bottom line. So 677 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything bad about baiting, but one 678 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: one thing it does help you do if you're hunting 679 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: on public land is the way I hunt in the 680 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: up and Michigan and the areas that have hunted over 681 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: a pretty wide area is I'm trying to identify those 682 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: date pile areas. And what I mean by that is 683 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: you have quish you two tracks coming into some high 684 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: and dry hardwoods what they recently logged, so it's pretty 685 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: easy access. You have guys going to the ind of 686 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: those three tracks and walking in a couple hundred yards. 687 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: You can't bring a TV s and machines back in 688 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: the woods. And they're in, they're throwing out the blinds 689 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: and throwing out their bait pile. And that's the tradition 690 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: in the up Um in northern areas. It's gone on 691 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: for many many years, decades, a couple decades to I 692 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: think twenty to thirty years now. And and so if 693 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: you can identify those bait pile areas um, it's very 694 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: advantageous to you to do that. And that's a very 695 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: high risk. If you imagine guys are going in and 696 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: putting bait out nearly every day, they're starting a week 697 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: before the season, two weeks before the season, and the 698 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: deer get used to that repetition, they get a repellant 699 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: if they do see deer. It's in those last few 700 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: minutes m I've been able to shoot some really nice 701 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: books that we're going into those bait piles by coming 702 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: in around the side, identifying areas that are really basically 703 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: waste land, looking for those funnels that relate to those 704 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: bait piles and movements. But I've actually shot deer a 705 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: mile and a quarter to a mile and a half 706 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: away from those feeding areas, and I shot a buck 707 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: getting three years ago back there that was really nice 708 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: Michigan blocking. It was four years old, and they I 709 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: shot him and later on then it's about a mile 710 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: and a half away from an area there's a lot 711 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: of quite a few guys dating and come to find 712 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: out that I heard of three guys that shared trail 713 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: camp photos of me afterwards, and they're getting pictures of 714 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: that buck in the middle of the night and I 715 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: believe I was back in his bedroom area that was 716 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: literally a mile and a half away. Now, one of 717 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: the one of the things you have to do with 718 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: that as you have to identify even areas to start 719 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: with where you can get in and be that far 720 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: away from somebody and not run into someone else. So UM, 721 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: that takes finding rivers, beaver dams, marsh's they have to 722 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: cross and have a pretty good knowledge of how to 723 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: get into those areas and out without getting two and 724 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: and finding those areas in between roads and in the 725 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: end of two tracks where you can find a core 726 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: area that might be a mile and a half to 727 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: two miles wide where you can expect no people to 728 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: be in but using those bait piles, and it's basically 729 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: a high pressure food plot if looked at like that. 730 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: And then hunting always away coming in a completely different 731 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: direction than all those people would debating from. Um, it's 732 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: a great start. And then UM to you know, hunted 733 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: out in Pennsylvania and you have a hunting public land 734 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: out in Pennsylvania sixteen different seasons. And in really those 735 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: tops out there, we had elevation changes of about six feet. 736 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: The bottoms had a lot of hemlock and a lot 737 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: of shade poor quality um brows and in any type 738 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: of mass prop but the tops were full of oak 739 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: and cherry. And so depending on if the oaks are 740 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: into the cherry or sometimes beach, and those cheeries identified 741 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: those food sources up on top which everyone else in 742 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: the woods was identifying. And then you try to find 743 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 1: those areas halfway down the ridges and pretty remote bench 744 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: locations where you find those flat spots with a lot 745 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: of times that were companied by a lot of rubs. 746 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: You come in the hops away of that food. You'd 747 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: set back there and wait in those low areas, sometimes 748 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: three or four yards away from that food source, just 749 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: knowing that a lot of deer and concentrate around those 750 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: food sources. You're in remote areas. Guys are going to 751 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: walk through there in the middle of the day and 752 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: push those dear back into the recesses of the of 753 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: the woods to where you're waiting for him, and so um. 754 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: You know that was one of those high pressure settings, 755 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: but no different than your private land. You're looking to 756 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: try to um tie in food sources to travel corridors, 757 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: betting areas, water hole in between. The one thing I 758 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: privately and you can go in there and build those 759 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: conditions if you don't have them. The other thing on 760 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 1: public lands, you're looking for those same conditions, So you're 761 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: doing the same thing. You're trying to protect that movement. 762 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: You're trying to protect the food source, the stress level 763 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: that's associated with that food source, and get in and 764 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: out without spooking or destroying that line of movement on 765 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: public plan. So basically the same exact way you're hunting 766 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: on privately and you hunt on publicly, and really differences 767 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 1: you have to put on a lot of boot miles 768 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: on publicly and to go find those same conditions. That's right. 769 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: I love I love the way that you're able to 770 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: relate those those concepts from private land back to public land. 771 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 1: I think that's that's super helpful for a lot of 772 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: guys out there who you know, if you take a 773 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: look at these ideas and frameworks, uh, you know, there's 774 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways we can apply those back 775 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: to our own unique situations. That's great. Um, taking a 776 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: step back then into specifically food plot stuff. Then in 777 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: your book, another topic you cover pretty extensively is you know, 778 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: different types of things you'd recommend planting, And specifically you 779 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: talked about a concept that you called consistent diversity, and 780 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: you talked a lot about why I thought that was 781 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: so important and I'd be interested in hearing you know 782 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 1: why exactly you think consistent diversity and food is important, 783 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: and what exactly that means? Well, what it means, Marcus? 784 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: Uh is it really? I'm look at it like, um, 785 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: you could put a limit on any forge you might 786 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: plant during the hunting season. I'm looking at hunting season 787 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: I including September two. Out here in Wisconsin. We start 788 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: mid September, Michigan, October one, Ohio, I believe in October 789 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: one Pennsylvania. But um, you look at really trying to 790 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: establish that pattern of us on your food and on 791 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: your property in early September, that's when a lot of 792 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: the habitat is changing. Food starts, they are changing great 793 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: time to capture deer. So you want that food to 794 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: really start, um, start really kicking in at that time. 795 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: So if you look at four months of the hunting 796 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: season in September, October, November, December, I look at it 797 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: like any four du plants not going to have more 798 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: than a sixty eight week window of utilization. What I 799 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: mean by that is, let's say at soybeans all summer long, 800 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: they might be outstanding in early September to early October, 801 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: then leaves term brown. Now, if you have high deer 802 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: densities that might still hit them, but in a lot 803 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: of areas, you're not going to touch them again until 804 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: late December if they're still standing. So even then, in 805 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: a four months season, you might look at four to 806 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 1: six weeks of great use and in September, early October, 807 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: another couple of weeks of use in late December, and 808 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: you know, there you go a couple of months. UM. 809 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: Same as clover. Clover might peak as soon as the 810 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: frost hips in October, it's going to stop growing and 811 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 1: every bite that's consumed is not replaced and it might 812 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 1: just be a math on the ground and going into December. 813 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: Now that might not be the case in Kentucky or 814 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: can grow all season UM. But the point is that 815 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: no matter where these forges are, they're going to have 816 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,720 Speaker 1: their peaks of attraction and nutrition and holding ability throughout 817 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: the season. So what I like to see is UM. 818 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: And there's two focuses of this. You want UM that 819 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: consistent diversity within the plot, because if you want that 820 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: plot to hold and attract gear the entire season, you 821 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: have to have multiple offering offering. So I like bases 822 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: of planting UM. Now that base might include corn in 823 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: some areas. In other areas, one of the bases might 824 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: be a Braska base. UM. Some ares a lower mission 825 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: they don't touch Braska some areas, and in northern Minnesota 826 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: they eat it down to the ground by October. So 827 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: the key is to match the type of planting and 828 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: blend they for example Braskas um the lower Michigan. You 829 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: might want to add some soybeans or or Austrian winterpiece 830 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 1: to it to help sweeten. And if they're not going 831 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: to touch it. Um. At the same time, that's only 832 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: one of your basis. I recommend me at at least 833 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: two bases on your on your food plot. The other 834 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,760 Speaker 1: base might be a grain base such as winner rye 835 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: or even wheat oats. You can add winter peace to 836 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 1: that as well. And um, so you have these bases 837 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: of planting that basically what you're trying to do is 838 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: offer forages within two plantings that offered attraction, nutrition, and 839 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: holding ability for the entire four months. Um what what 840 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: else is important with that? And kind of the second 841 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: part of this is a lot of guys that go 842 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: to the property and they have soybeans planted over here, 843 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: reading this food plot, corn over here, clover and here 844 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: you know, it's great they're trying to hit and match 845 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: all that diversity, but in theory these you're gonna have 846 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,399 Speaker 1: to move from plot to plot to plot as plot 847 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: teach in nutrition and attraction. I'd rather see that you 848 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: put that same diversity within each food plot itself, so 849 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: that you can establish local door family groups that relate 850 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,760 Speaker 1: to purely that food plot, not all five food pots, 851 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: but just that one food plot. And what I see 852 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: is you actually compliment your entire property in the area 853 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,240 Speaker 1: you're planting, and you make your whole property more efficient 854 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: per acre um. You stretch the deer you sage out 855 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: over your entire property, and for that you're not continually 856 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: having to pound the same area hunting and spooking away 857 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: the deer. So you have to offer a lot more 858 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 1: options to yourself and the hunters on your property if 859 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: you can spread that food out around the property and 860 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: complement all of your betting areas. Yeah, this is another 861 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: thing that I was I have been doing wrong over 862 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: the past couple of years. But you know, after reading 863 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: your book, I'm gonna be trying this out this season too. 864 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to be mixing or creating that diversity within 865 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,919 Speaker 1: each food plot. Hopefully you have that consistent movement that's 866 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: all throughout the season versus one spot in October, one 867 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: spot in November. So I'm excited to put that, put 868 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: that into action and see what kind of results I get. 869 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: I got a real quick question. Now this this is 870 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: just a little bit off the topic, but you mentioned, 871 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: you know, the deer being able to hit a specific 872 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 1: food plot over a certain given a period of time. 873 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: Have you ever or would you recommend to one of 874 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:33,479 Speaker 1: our listeners potentially blocking off part of a food source 875 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: or a food plot with like a fence or I've 876 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: seen electric fences or those uh or some kind of 877 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,359 Speaker 1: barricade to prevent the animal from getting in into it 878 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: and then taking it down when you're ready to hunt 879 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: over it or use it. I have not done that 880 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: personally myself. That I've had some clients of H relied 881 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: on that and it's been just outstanding where they've done it. 882 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: And UM, I think of one example in particular, I've 883 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: seen some of the screening materials UM Now, electric fencene 884 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: seems to work fairly well. Um, real high percentage of success. 885 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: But I had one Northern Michigan client that actually, UM, 886 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,760 Speaker 1: he erected an eight foot fence with two four ft 887 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: sections um up you know, high and low all the 888 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: way around a sugar be planting, and they simply just 889 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,800 Speaker 1: reproves the lower four ft fencing or I think you 890 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: roll it up actually so that you're free to go 891 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: in and out, um when you wanted them to at 892 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 1: that time. Now you know, depending on the area, you 893 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 1: might end up. I don't even know if that would 894 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: constitute baiting or not, but um, it was sure effective 895 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: for him in his situation. UM. I know other guys 896 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: that have completely fenced off areas and they removed the 897 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: fencing to uh within food thoughts, within corn fields. I 898 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: remember a gay in Kentucky many years ago they did that, 899 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: and that could be a great advantage. It's you know, 900 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: for the guy that has a little bit more resource 901 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: um at hand. UM, but it certainly is an option. UM. 902 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: I would also, if you were going to do that, 903 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 1: really explore, uh, you know, not only the legalities, which 904 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,959 Speaker 1: I think most of the time it's legal in any state, 905 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: but at the same time, UM, explore the effectiveness of 906 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: what people are using to block deer off. And I 907 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,800 Speaker 1: will mention any certain products you thinks I would forget 908 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: the names, but I wouldn't want to do that. But 909 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: at the same time, there's some things out there in 910 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: the market that are highly effective in others that that 911 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,799 Speaker 1: sound effective, but they might do for certain locations, but 912 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 1: aren't you know, in a very large area. So um, 913 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, great, great usage at times, but really watch 914 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 1: and look at you know, it's hard to it's hard 915 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,879 Speaker 1: to argue in a foot science, let's put it that way. Yeah, 916 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: that's that's an interesting idea. I know, I've heard of 917 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,320 Speaker 1: people using something like that to protect you know, small 918 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 1: soybean food plots because as you know, Jeff, lots of times, 919 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: if you've got a small uh crop of soybeans in 920 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 1: the summer, deer will just hammer that and you'll wipe 921 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: out the food plot before you ever get into the fall. 922 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: So I know some guys have used those electric fences 923 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,359 Speaker 1: to protect their soybeans into the season and then let 924 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: it go, and that seems it seems to work pretty well. 925 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 1: So interesting stuff. Um, But we are we're coming up 926 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: on time here pretty quick, as we always do. Um, 927 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,720 Speaker 1: time goes faster than we realize. So I wanted to 928 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: throw one final question at you, Jeff, and I'm curious, 929 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: what do you believe is the biggest mistake hunters are 930 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: making today when it comes to food plots, UM. I 931 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: believe it's not the quality of the plot or even 932 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: often the forge that they're using, the maintenance of the plot. 933 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: We have such incredible information out there on how to 934 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: plan the plot and make sure it's successful. I think 935 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 1: the number one problems location and location as it relates 936 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: to UM, your access and how you're using it as 937 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 1: a hunter, in your ability either hide deer on that 938 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: food plot or not hide them. I think that any um, 939 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 1: any person that has property, you know, they've all heard 940 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: of this sanctuary where they hold and try to protect 941 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: your in that area. They something not even walked into 942 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: their sanctuaries for years, and I think you should. We 943 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: should have the same view with our food pots, meaning 944 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: that each food pot is a continuation of that sanctuary 945 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,359 Speaker 1: and during the hunting cheese and we allow those deer 946 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: to freely use that food or betting area without being 947 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: disturbed by our hunting actions. And I think that would 948 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: be our number one for focus that um UM matter 949 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: how high the quality of food pottery and the habitat, 950 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 1: that can't overcome Um, if if property is hunted too aggressively, 951 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: that's wise words right there, and I think something that 952 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about but really important. 953 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,799 Speaker 1: So thanks for sharing that, Jeff. Yeah, yeah, I think 954 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: with that, that's probably a great place for us to 955 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,319 Speaker 1: wrap things up. So anything else though that you'd like 956 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 1: to add? Dan, No, I think I got a couple 957 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 1: of tips as far as the non landowner hunter is 958 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,240 Speaker 1: concerned that I'm gonna I might try to implement this 959 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: this upcoming season. Yeah, that's awesome, I think. Um, I 960 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,920 Speaker 1: think I will too. I'm sure a lot of our 961 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: listeners as well. So so that said, Jeff, you know, 962 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 1: thank you so much. We really appreciate your time. I 963 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: think we've all learned a lot. And um, you know, 964 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: for anyone out there who wants to get more information 965 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 1: about you or um, you know, your consulting business or 966 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 1: your books, you know, where can they go to to 967 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 1: get that? Oh? Then go to wait until I have 968 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 1: Attached Solutions dot com on my website. I also have 969 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 1: a Facebook page. Um, they can google Jeff Sturgis and 970 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,560 Speaker 1: I think that will get them to maybe act dear 971 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,799 Speaker 1: or white tough in there, and that'll narrow it down 972 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: quite a bit too. Song. I you know, it's honored 973 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 1: to be on the show, and I appreciate you forwarding 974 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,879 Speaker 1: that information onto your listeners too. Mark absolutely will make 975 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,439 Speaker 1: sure to include that link in the show notes and 976 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,560 Speaker 1: people will be able to be able to check out 977 00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,200 Speaker 1: those books, which I highly recommend. So that said, thank 978 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: you so much, Jeff. We have had an absolute blast 979 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: chatting with you that. Yeah, I thank you very much. Marcus. 980 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:14,640 Speaker 1: Nice talking to you guys. Wow, that was excellent And 981 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 1: this wraps things up for us here today on the 982 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,240 Speaker 1: Wired Hunt podcast. Thank you so much for joining us today. 983 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: As always, if you've enjoyed the show, we would love 984 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,320 Speaker 1: it if you could leave a rating or review on iTunes, 985 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,800 Speaker 1: And for everyone that leaves a review after listening today, 986 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: I will personally give each and every one of you 987 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,600 Speaker 1: a hypothetical virtual high five promise thanks in advance. 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