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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what you really miss Podcasts is

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Speaker 1: a monumental, baby monumental we have. If you would have

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Speaker 1: told me at fourteen fifteen years old, with like Ryder

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Speaker 1: going to have Jac on my podcast one day, I

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Speaker 1: would have punched you in the face and said, you're crazy.

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Speaker 1: But here we are, the one and only Jac Chef.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding? I don't know how like I been

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Speaker 1: like so nice and like referst to he live by Jenna.

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Speaker 2: That's really the thing, the amount of time and effort

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Speaker 2: I've spent on being like cool around him. But the

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Speaker 2: longer I've known him, the more that the fan just

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Speaker 2: jumps out because I have no filter anymore. And He's

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Speaker 2: He's very nice about it. He's probably so used to it,

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Speaker 2: but just one of the most talented people on the planet.

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Speaker 2: Obviously grew up watching him. Honestly, I don't say this

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Speaker 2: just like as hyperbole mm hmm, Like formed how I

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Speaker 2: sing and dance, like watching him on stage, the amount

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Speaker 2: of hours I would talk to like my sister or

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Speaker 2: and like trying to mimic that.

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Speaker 1: Totally, totally. I hope you enjoy this conversation.

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Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for being here, JC, Yes,

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Speaker 2: having me? Are you kidding me? We needed to as

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Speaker 2: soon as like you were putting this album out, We're like,

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Speaker 2: we have to get Jason, bring him on. We have

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Speaker 2: to talk about this.

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Speaker 3: You might know a little bit more than most about this.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I sure do.

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Speaker 1: He was just filling us in.

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Speaker 3: Kevin's an experimental human. We know this, so he doesn't

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Speaker 3: mind going along for a bit of fun. I think

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Speaker 3: that's probably the best way to say it.

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Speaker 1: He's always down.

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Speaker 3: He's always up for a bit of fun. That's right,

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Speaker 3: He always up for a bit of fun.

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Speaker 2: Who down or up whatever it is. And if jac

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Speaker 2: says jump, I jump, that's what happens.

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Speaker 3: Jenna. I don't think I've even gotten to see you

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Speaker 3: since you've had a.

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Speaker 1: Bambino, yes, and the second bambino coming soon.

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Speaker 3: Well, congratulations, thank you, thank you too long.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, Well, we're so grateful to have you. And I'm curious,

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Speaker 4: so I need to know about the connection of Kevin JC.

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Speaker 4: And then also Kevin's experimental life with Playing with Fire

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Speaker 4: on the album, Yeah, tell us about it.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean I would say like our connection is

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Speaker 3: through mutual friends. Starting with uh, I guess he was

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Speaker 3: and uh, it's just look, you know, as well as anybody,

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Speaker 3: he's very easy to get along with.

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Speaker 2: And we don't need to talk about me.

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Speaker 3: You know, look, the way Playing with Fire came about is, look,

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Speaker 3: And uh, he was just you know, he actually brought

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Speaker 2: You kidding me? I think I can speak for probably

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Speaker 2: You are a vital part of like us growing up

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Speaker 3: The same I mean, look, you're you guys, auld were

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Speaker 3: We're all the same animal right Like again we're we're

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Speaker 2: And there's always an edit. You always have it editing.

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Speaker 2: I remember when you originally told me that you were

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Speaker 3: I've actually had the itch for a long time, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, small small world that was doing Bye Bye Bye

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's like you might think you wrote

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see I didn't see that one. Sadly, I

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Speaker 2: I remember the news reports covering I don't know why

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Speaker 7: And look, we felt that because when we first came

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Speaker 3: a pop show and it's just not what they were

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00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: like they were expecting or I don't know, what it was.

437
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: But Janet was kind enough, she saw something and she

438
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, come on, let's go, like wow, you know,

439
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: and and uh and so for the first kind of song,

440
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 3: a couple of songs. You know, we didn't play a

441
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: whole show right where the opening app I'm like, I

442
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 3: can't remember how much time we had, but you get

443
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: X amount of songs to win the crowd over.

444
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first sprint it's like.

445
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: Quiet and they're just kind of like what and then

446
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 3: like maybe the second song you might hear a couple

447
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: of booze and stuff like that, and then by the

448
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: fourth song, they're like Okay, they work hard, you know,

449
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: it's like okay, I got it. And then we kind

450
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: of they didn't go crazy by any means, but they

451
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: were certainly way like they were receptive and we were

452
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: getting cheers by the end of our set. And that

453
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 3: is something that I'll forever be thankful for because that's

454
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: that's like work, you know what I mean, it's better

455
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: that makes you sharpened. Trying to winning a crowd when

456
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: they're not there for you is one of the best

457
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: things you can do. Uh, It's one of the best

458
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 3: skills you can learn as a performer, you know what

459
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, this isn't my room, but you got

460
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 3: to get it. Yeah, really got to go and flex

461
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 3: those muscles like and you know, sing as well as

462
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 3: because again, when it's your crowd, there's a bit of forgiveness,

463
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: right if you're not taking your best.

464
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: That night, you know, you like, you know, they're just

465
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: happy to be.

466
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: I love it, I love it. And you know they're

467
00:26:51,760 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: like a little flat today, heavy in my phone when

468
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: they're your people, a little bit when they're not your people,

469
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: Oh they don't let you know.

470
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where you're making it.

471
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: We saw this on such a smaller scale than you

472
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: guys of like the blow up, you know, when there's

473
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle and it's just the phenomenon. I'm

474
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: just so cue, come on, Yeah.

475
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: You're being humble and you're being shy now, Like it

476
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: was a cultural movement.

477
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: It happened, sureft it, Sure, sure, But there's a difference,

478
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, no, there is, there is. We

479
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: were a glorified cover band like you guys, you know,

480
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: as original artists, like we all got to cover these

481
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: songs that were already tried and true. We you know,

482
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 2: people love these songs, right, and it's like, sure, we

483
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: may be introducing them to a new generation, but these

484
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: songs worked once or twice already, it's gonna work again. Yeah,

485
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: and so we get to benefit like we're not having

486
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 2: to write them. We're showing up and do Adam Anders

487
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: has already figured out who's singing what you know. It's

488
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: it's a really sort of a glamorous way to enjoy

489
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: the fruits of your labor. And so like that's why,

490
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: like we are like, yes, the show was a phenomenon

491
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: and we absolutely got to experience a lot of that,

492
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: but we were all very aware of like what the

493
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: deal really was. Like we're going on tour and the

494
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: the show represents something we didn't create, the show, and

495
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: we're singing these songs that mean so many to people.

496
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: We didn't write these songs. We're sort of the conduit

497
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: to everybody be together.

498
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: True, you just have to deliver.

499
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, but it was you know, we got

500
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: to do perform Britney songs on tour, and we got

501
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: to do Janet and then Sink and Backstreet on the show,

502
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: and so being able to actually don't pay.

503
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: Minimize We're gonna fight. Look Every movie star you see

504
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: didn't write that script. Every movie star you see didn't

505
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: direct that film. Every movie star you see didn't you

506
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's like that doesn't make them

507
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: less balcable to the entertainment that you're experiencing, you know

508
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like.

509
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: Don't minimize, right, you're right here, don't minimize.

510
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: Look, I appreciate one hundred percent all of the talent

511
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: that was on that show and what it takes to

512
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: make something, by the way, because you're also cranking it out,

513
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: you know.

514
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for real.

515
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: You're not like rehearsing one song, you know, for months

516
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: and months and months at a time. You're like, got

517
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: this song done? What's next? You know what I mean?

518
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: And so there I appreciate that, Like.

519
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: Don't minimize, thank you.

520
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, you mentioned the Mickey Mouse Club earlier. Yeah,

521
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: which time and time again. It comes up every couple

522
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: of years, like no, no, no, no, everyone, do you realize

523
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: how many incredibly talented and wonderful people came from Like

524
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: your guys a single, I don't know how long you're

525
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: on it, but like your crew, yeah.

526
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: And like actors, musicians, artists, I mean all artists.

527
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: Speaking of like turning it out, Like did you guys

528
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: cranking it out? What was that process? Do you even

529
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: remember like the process of doing a because I mean

530
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: that was fill in front of a live audience.

531
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: The guys were young.

532
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: It was what we shot I would say three quarters

533
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: of it in front of a live audience. But you

534
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: know we would always have like recorded sketches and recorded

535
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: videos like that was like the prestige things like well

536
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: I got a music video.

537
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what I mean.

538
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: It was like, oh yeah, I get to work on

539
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: this for like two days. So yeah. Look, and by

540
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: the way, it hasn't stopped, I think because even when

541
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: you look at the Mouse Club, by the way, I

542
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: came in season four, so they were actors and singers there. Yeah,

543
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: and you know, the actors and singers that were on there,

544
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: they inspired us, even when you know, they had a

545
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: spin off thing called The Party and we were like, yo,

546
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: those kids are dope.

547
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: You know.

548
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: So we see that now though, But think about even

549
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: after that, you know, whether it's Nickelodeon or or Disney,

550
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: it's kind of our biggest stars. Think about Selena, think

551
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: about Ariana Grande, think about Miley Cyrus, like talking about

552
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: some of the biggest stars in the world.

553
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: So it's not but but.

554
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: That being said, yeah, like being on a on a

555
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: show like that, it's it's actually really for me, I

556
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: would say it was helpful in helping me, helpful in

557
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: helping me, really help me, help me. It was helpful

558
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: to me because I had never been exposed to anything

559
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: like that. You know, it's like, oh, I'm I'm in

560
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: a room full of like minded people in terms of

561
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: you know, they're willing to try, and they're willing to

562
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: put themselves out there.

563
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: Which's not normally the case for kids that age.

564
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: You're at home and everybody's so busy teasing everybody, and

565
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: and if like, you know, it is like you got

566
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: maybe you touched on it in the Glea stories, but

567
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, the athletes are so alpha in

568
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: a way something not all by all means there's kind

569
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: people everywhere right right. There is like a thing where

570
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: it's like you're back then, and maybe it's changed because

571
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: I haven't been that young in a long time, but

572
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: but there was a thing where it was kind of like, oh,

573
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: if you do that, you're like a little bit outcast.

574
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: You know, it's like that's that's not the thing. And

575
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: so yeah, So to be around others that were supportive

576
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: of what I was doing, and I was excited to

577
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: support them and what they were doing, it really helped

578
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: us discover more about ourselves. What did you enjoy? Did

579
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: you enjoy singing? Did you enjoy dancing? Did you ever

580
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: even think about, you know, being in like a sketcher?

581
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: I never, in my wildest dreams thought about being you know,

582
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: an actor before that, you know what I mean. And

583
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, you know, I'm not I'm not

584
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: an actor by any stretch of the imagination, but I

585
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: can have fun with it in spurts and stuff like that.

586
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: So that's what that allowed me to do. And again,

587
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: being with other people that are like minded in that fashion,

588
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: I think the support of each other is was really beautiful,

589
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: you know, like we encouraged each other. I'd never when

590
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: I was on that show, I never felt an ounce

591
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: of jealousy for anyone else, and I never felt an

592
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: ounce of jealousy from anyone else.

593
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: It was really the positive experience that somebody.

594
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: Were like get it, yeah, you know, and that was

595
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: really really fun.

596
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: So that's so nice to hear, because like this industry

597
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: as it's evolved over time, or just remembering that when

598
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: we were all young and in it, it was it

599
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: was it could be so cutthroat and so the riddled

600
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: with jealousy and you know, not knowing with maturity that

601
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: like there's room for everybody. So it's so nice to

602
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: hear that. I'm also curious, like jumping from Mickey Mouse

603
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: to then in Sync and like your whole your journey there,

604
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: like what did you want going from him mouse to

605
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: then like on the journey to creating the band, like

606
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: you seem so craft and artistry forward and like that

607
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: always comes first. I'm curious if that was always the

608
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: way it was for you or if that flipped and

609
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: evolved over time.

610
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 3: Well when I started, look, when I got the Mouse Club,

611
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: I was more comfortable dancing than anything else. I uh,

612
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: I started like in dance competitions like doing you know,

613
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: dancing like to Pop numbers.

614
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: I danced someone on the block.

615
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: I did like you know, so yeah, come on and

616
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: bring it. Yeah. So that's so there's an influence right there.

617
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 3: But when I when the Mouse Club was over, after

618
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: kind of going, I was on it for four three

619
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: four seasons and and what I learned about myself is

620
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: that I wanted to make music, and so that's what

621
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: I sought out to do first. And so I look,

622
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: I reached out to all the contacts that I had

623
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: from the Mouse Club and my Gajitsy was working on

624
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: the music and things like that, and Robin Wiley was

625
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: the vocal coach club And that's crazy, you know how

626
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: you know, basically just kind of once we you know,

627
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: down the road, decided that we were making a band,

628
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: asking her to help us, you know, rehearse and really craft,

629
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: and she's the one who really developed our harmony and

630
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: our sound and it was our first influence in terms

631
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: of how we wanted our court structures and arrangements to be.

632
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 3: You know. But I knew leaving that show that I

633
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: wanted to be a music artist. Some people that are like,

634
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 3: I want to be an actor, I want to be

635
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: of this, I want to be at that, and it's

636
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: like I knew I wanted to be in the music space.

637
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: So also, I feel like the through line between all

638
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: of these different sort of adventures in your life, yeah,

639
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: and then getting to the current day of playing with Fire,

640
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: it also feels like it's all culminating in sort of

641
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: this like using all of the things you've learned over

642
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: the years, it might into this.

643
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, look, I could be wrong about it.

644
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 3: I could be totally naive about it, but I feel

645
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: like I have something to offer the theater. I think

646
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 3: through my years of experience, I feel like my point

647
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: of view brings value. You know, I'm not, by any

648
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: stretch of the measure imagination saying oh, I can do

649
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 3: this better than this, and I can do this better

650
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: than that. That's not at all what I'm saying. But

651
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is I have something to offer and

652
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 3: and and I think it's because of all of those

653
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: years is in front of audiences live, you know, and

654
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: and when you're putting together a concert, like the way

655
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: we would put together concerts, they're very choreographed, and they're

656
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: very and they were seamless. You know, there wasn't dead air.

657
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: That was a focused thing. And you see it now

658
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: with huge artists. You know, it's like, what show that

659
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 3: a pop musician is doing isn't really like thought through?

660
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: I will growing up going to your guys' concerts. You

661
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: really ruined it for a lot of other people though,

662
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: because you set the bar, so there is what is this?

663
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: Like how good the shows are now though there's some

664
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: spectacular incredible, Yes, like I'm a I'm a fan as

665
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: much as anybody else. Like again, when you see something cool,

666
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I'm about that. That's end ye. So

667
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: you know, again, to touch on what you said, I

668
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 3: think that all of these years, like you said, doing

669
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 3: music here, doing a sketch, even if it's just sketch

670
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 3: comedy in the in the kids show, but then later

671
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 3: in life, you know, you know, pulling off a piece

672
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 3: of an independent movie and just going into a care

673
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: and like, Okay, I have to I have to know

674
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: this moment and I have to be in this moment

675
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: with this other person. Yeah, if you're a pop star

676
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: and you're singing, you're singing for the masses, and you know,

677
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: but you're not necessarily focused in on one person and

678
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: having to share energy and so stepping off and doing

679
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: like a film or something like that put you in

680
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: the situation where you're interfacing like that in a unique way.

681
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 3: And I think that that hopefully will be helpful.

682
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you understand all the roles.

683
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that that that's a that's a great observation.

684
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: I have to say I feel that way a bit.

685
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: Well, that's what when you first mentioned it to me,

686
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: I was like, this makes sense. Yeah, I was like

687
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: I see it all like I, you know, like being

688
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: able to have seen you perform on stage, dancing your

689
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: ass off, seeing your ass off at like a certain level,

690
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: a very high level, and then like you are such

691
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: a fan as well, which I also think is plays

692
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: into that. Yeah, because as you like, we've had long

693
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: discussions about being fans of different TV shows and movies

694
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: and all of that. And to see how excited that

695
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: makes you, I think someone who wants, like you said earlier,

696
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: you're making something you want to see, and you're bringing

697
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: all this expertise and this voice and taste to it.

698
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: You have to have also some level of taste, and

699
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: you have to have all of those things operating at

700
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: a certain level. And it does. All of this just

701
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: makes sense.

702
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that the thing that I'm most excited

703
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: about next, because you know, the music is out there.

704
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: I think the next thing that I'm excited about is

705
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: working with other actors and other singers and with the

706
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: director and really exploding this thing visually. Next. You know,

707
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: it's like we have a whole you know, arsenal of

708
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: ideas leading to come out and and so it's going

709
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: to be a really fun process again working with the

710
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: right director where we can kind of make something fun

711
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 3: and unique and you know, look, it's a heavy story,

712
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: but I think I think it can be absolutely fun

713
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 3: in spots.

714
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also been thinking about that too, of how

715
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: many people have had the live experience with You've played

716
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: with all different sorts of budgets doing live shows and so,

717
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: but you also learn how to construct a show and

718
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: what works and maybe what doesn't work. And being able

719
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: to bring that also to live theater I think is

720
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: a really rhythm special thing.

721
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: You Look, rhythm is a thing like you can't have

722
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: people like this for too long or they just run

723
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: out of gas, you know what I mean. You need

724
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: to hit a dopamine switch every now and then and

725
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: be like, all right, let me give you this, let

726
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: me give you It's like and we've learned that from

727
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: from movies as well, right like, and you're seeing it

728
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: like all right, if I'm going to see this kind

729
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: of movie, but they all it's so well crafted these

730
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: films and in these shows. It's like they know Okay,

731
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: we can't have them like if it's the funniest thing

732
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: in the world, you can't have them laughing the whole

733
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: time because like it just wears off. Right, Yeah, you know,

734
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: but you need to crush people. But if you crush

735
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 3: them the whole time, it just starts.

736
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: To yeah you know, so it's rhythm check out.

737
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

738
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: I wish we had you as a guest star on Glee.

739
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: That would have been so much when you've acted, wanted

740
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: to act on it.

741
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, nobody asked me.

742
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: Man, no power.

743
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: On the twenty first I'm doing I'm like hosting a

744
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: sing along with and Juliet. So it's just like it

745
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: so that will be a very meta moment.

746
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely.

747
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: I get to step in and uh, look, by the way,

748
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: seeing the show is amazing, you know, because it's that's

749
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: all part of a part of my life and things

750
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: like that. But they're gonna they're gonna let me kind

751
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: of come on and sing sing with them.

752
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 2: Oh how fun, how cool?

753
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: That's really cool sing along.

754
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: But then and Joey's doing it crazy.

755
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 3: When he was just like should I do this? I

756
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 3: was like, are you kidding? Your life? A perfect human

757
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: for this it's so cool because he has that charisma. Look,

758
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: when we were a band, we would play on each

759
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: other's strengths in the live shows, and there's no doubt

760
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: about it. Like Joey on stage, it's charisma all day.

761
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: You know. He has such a great ability to connect

762
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: with the crowd. Yeah, and he like when we first

763
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 3: you know, got together, he was doing plays in Orlando,

764
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 3: and he was doing in Orlando and the next thing

765
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: you know, he's doing like little Shop and he's doing like, Yeah,

766
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: he was in this way before I was because I

767
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: was you know, look, I always was so focused on

768
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 3: writing the next song, right yeah, right man, and stuff

769
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: like that, and he was always thinking about the stage.

770
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: So lives to him for for getting up there. And

771
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: I think he's got a lot to bring to that part.

772
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: I think that sure is.

773
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 3: Going to be injected into those moments that he is

774
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: going to be able to do in that way.

775
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

776
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, Well, we're so grateful for your time that

777
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: you came on to chat with us.

778
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

779
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god?

780
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: Here where.

781
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: Over the moon?

782
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 3: Next time I'll get to go, I'm just gonna sit

783
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: between y'all and then we'll just lease everybody else.

784
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: Any any time that there's no there's the amount of

785
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: times I've gotten to embarrass people by forcing them to

786
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: talk to JC. Like if you we talked to Amber

787
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: about Amber literally earlier this year, ran away from him

788
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: and she's already met him that and she's like, I

789
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 2: can't do it. But JC, you were like you were

790
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: the kindest, nicest, most humble person you are round it.

791
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter when I catch you, you are it's

792
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 2: just consistently nice. You are just a good, good person.

793
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: And it's nice that when good things happen to good

794
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: people and you deserve it all. And I can't wait

795
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: to see playing with fire.

796
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, go list't are playing with fire? We want

797
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: to make a musical. Come make a musical with us.

798
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good and you see, you feel the

799
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: story through it all. You could hear some great singing

800
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: and production and writing. Just go enjoy it. And it's

801
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: before you go see it on stage eventually, you know,

802
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: exactly get ahead of.

803
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: The because here's the funnest idea ever, like the reason

804
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: the other reason we wanted to put the music out first,

805
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: the funnest idea in our minds. We were like we

806
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: want people to be able to kind of sing along

807
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: with the song they want. We want them in their

808
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: body a little bit so when they're you know what

809
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you want them kind of rocking in the

810
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: seats knowing it a little bit. So you so again,

811
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: so right, It's like I want some of that concert energy,

812
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, Yeah, I like I want people to

813
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: be surprised in moments by what they see and things

814
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 3: like that. But there's something fun about seeing your favorite

815
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: band and knowing a bit of it so you can

816
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: share in it.

817
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: Yes, be a part of it.

818
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 3: That's so that's what I would That's like a dream scenario.

819
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: Is that very smart?

820
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 2: How many shows can you go to? And like every

821
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: song is catchy? Yeah? Ok, every song that was? That

822
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: was a concert that these songs stuck in my head

823
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: for months.

824
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was Look, that's on purpose. You know. The

825
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 3: way we approached writing some of these songs might not

826
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: be the most traditional approach to a musical. We wanted

827
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: to use our pop sensibilities and because so much of

828
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: what you know, Angeliet is a pop musical right by

829
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: pre existing works, and it's what's fun about it is

830
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: how they've crafted it and manipulated the songs and found

831
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: a new way to bring life to them through a

832
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: new story. And what we've done is we've just taken

833
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: the pop approach to writing the songs for the musical

834
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: in the first place. Yeah, and so that's again, it

835
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: was on purpose.

836
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: Purpose, intentional.

837
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: And by the way, when are we going to hear

838
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 3: some new music from Austin?

839
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: By the way, he's putting things out all the time.

840
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: I don't he can't stop.

841
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, just so good.

842
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always He's like, I have three albums worth

843
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: the material in my head.

844
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: Does he can't? Is he still baking as well?

845
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? He does it all. Yeah, you know, he just

846
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: one of those whatever the moon strikes. Yeah, it's really annoying.

847
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: I'm all right, I'm just trying to do one thing.

848
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: You have the rest of us all now.

849
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 2: Insanity, get YouTube in the studio.

850
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: I would bore him.

851
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: Oh I doubt it.

852
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

853
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: I hear his stuff and I'm like, you know, he's like,

854
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: he's all the way in right now. And I like

855
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: my approach has been so analytical lately because of writing

856
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: the musicals that I take my time. I'm like a

857
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 3: piece of a time now because I want to that

858
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: it's in the right space. Yeah, and now Oaks write

859
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: so fast you get into a pop session now, it's crazy. Yeah.

860
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: I would like him to experience that though, because he's

861
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: never seen that before. So I think it would be

862
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: oh interesting, throw him in the deep end in like

863
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: a writing camp the way they do pop sessions now,

864
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: not always, but like sometimes they do. You know these

865
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: writing camps where they'll just have like twenty people show

866
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: up and they'll just have like five rooms set up

867
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 2: and three going here, you three, you four rotate.

868
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, like the next day

869
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: you're in with with the another iteration of those people.

870
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 3: And you know, I know that I've done one or

871
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Speaker 3: two of those, and it's been totally fun, by the way,

872
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Speaker 3: because you can listen to what people worked on all day.

873
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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, you're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: oh that's that's a funny time. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: he would view that, is that.

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Speaker 2: And see him because you know, or he's like, I

877
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: think he might adapt. I don't know, I think, but

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00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 2: it's such like a wonderful skill to like see people

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00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: who are I'm not like that, And anytime I've been

880
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: in sessions like that, I'm just overwhelmed, like how are

881
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: you coming up with these things so quickly? But it's

882
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: a muscle. They're doing it every day, and so you

883
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: these like incredible melodies to look.

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Speaker 3: There's two approaches like yeah, you're either very like introverted

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00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: and you're very like in your world and and but

886
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: then there's other times where you really just have to

887
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 3: like rip it open and just go yeah, you know.

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00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: And I think there's a bit of that going on

889
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: because the pressure is almost off in those situations because

890
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: it's not all on you, right, you can expose a

891
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: piece of yourself. And the good part is even if

892
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 3: it's not right, someone else can support it correct, you know.

893
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 3: And and so that's the genius part about those.

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00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: Everyone's like searching for the best ideas, like best idea

895
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: whins and they each other your idea.

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Speaker 3: It might it might be the exact way you came

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Speaker 3: up with it. Somebody, I love that, what if we

898
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: did this, you know, and it's not exactly your idea,

899
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: it's your idea together and that you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeahborrage, let's get the show made. Jenna make some calls.

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Speaker 1: I'll go do it.

902
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: There's something Jenna can't do it. She'll get it so nice.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes good producer.

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Speaker 3: Can't be nice all the time.

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Speaker 2: Come on, thank you so so much, Jac. Good to

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Speaker 2: see you through.

907
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: Yes, worry about it on Bambo number two.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. What a nice human being, Jenna.

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Speaker 2: We're friends with Jac from and Sync.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you really are. You're much closer with him

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00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: than I am. But I what a what a doll

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00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: of a human for somebody that we idolize, that literally

913
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Speaker 1: raised us. He's so nice in our teens.

914
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Speaker 2: I never feel prouder than being able to be like

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Speaker 2: you know Jc that we all are obsessed with. He's

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Speaker 2: actually the nicest.

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Speaker 6: Human I know, I know, he's so kind, so talented,

918
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 6: and like within our friend group, he and I are

919
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 6: sort of.

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00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: Like our closer friend group, like the only singers. And

921
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: we've been places where like trying to force us to

922
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: sing and are you out of your mind?

923
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Speaker 6: I'm not singing you singing with or after dream that

924
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 6: is not I know, I get it, I get it,

925
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 6: I get it.

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Speaker 2: His voice is so good and it's just gotten better.

927
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: Like yeah, we didn't even get we didn't talk about

928
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 2: the new and Sync songs too, where he just sounds incredible,

929
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: and he sounds it's good that we didn't because then

930
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: we haven't excused to bring him back, you know, and

931
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Speaker 2: it sounds like he would come great.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you jac for spending some time with us.

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Speaker 2: Please go listen to the album. It's called Playing with

934
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Speaker 2: Fire and go stream it. That's what you're really miss

935
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and follow us on Instagram at and

936
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 2: that's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write

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00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 2: us a review and leave us five stars.

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Speaker 3: See you next time.