Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
Speaker 2: name is Noah.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben. Folks. We're joined as always with
Speaker 3: our super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly
Speaker 3: are you. You are here? That makes this the stuff
Speaker 3: they don't want you to know? Now, quick recap. Previously
Speaker 3: on our program we dove into something called the Legacy Program.
Speaker 3: This is chapter two of a two part series we're
Speaker 3: calling it How Aliens Could Work. So please, please, please,
Speaker 3: if you haven't checked out our first chapter, whether on
Speaker 3: Netflix or your podcast platform of choice, pause here, check
Speaker 3: that out and then just coming back to us. We
Speaker 3: will wait. Oh, you're back. Thank you so much. Guys.
Speaker 3: The chapter one was a wild ride for us, right.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah, no, it sure was. Ziggin and Zagon
Speaker 4: ride through.
Speaker 3: Outer space, violating the laws of physics.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, through the halls of Congress, I guess, and
Speaker 2: the Pentagon and all these various organizations that may have
Speaker 2: some form of hand in knowing about and hiding alien technology.
Speaker 3: Congress does it? No, Congress does it. No, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Harry Reid knows.
Speaker 4: No, somebody knows. And can I just say, I think
Speaker 4: it's a great callback to our alma mater, how stuff works,
Speaker 4: calling this how stuff might work.
Speaker 3: There you go, that's this. So this is chapter two,
Speaker 3: and thank you everyone, friends and neighbors for checking out
Speaker 3: chapter one. It's a series on the alleged existence of
Speaker 3: some thing called the Legacy Program, according to Dru believers,
Speaker 3: as discussed in a recent documentary, The Age of Disclosure,
Speaker 3: this is a soup's top secret, compartmentalized initiative across generations,
Speaker 3: across years, across agencies existing in the shadows, and the
Speaker 3: mission is to locate, acquire, and spirit away remnants of
Speaker 3: alien craft that have crashed to Earth, including not just technology,
Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist, but organic remains or biologics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that technology is the stuff that all the
Speaker 2: corporations out there really want to know about and get
Speaker 2: their hands on. Theoretically right, and we get.
Speaker 4: That colfusion, Yeah, let me get that hyperdrict, let me
Speaker 4: get that zero point energy.
Speaker 2: And that's the stuff that has launched us to where
Speaker 2: we are right now, where we're developing the robots and
Speaker 2: the AI to power the rubets, and you know, the
Speaker 2: eventual takeover of everything that you know and love.
Speaker 4: Stop doesn't have to be that way. We can change
Speaker 4: the future. Man, We just got to write it up.
Speaker 3: And that's the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back, gentlemen, earthlings. I feel like we
Speaker 3: owe a quick summation of Age of Disclosure for anybody
Speaker 3: who didn't heed our disclaimer and didn't check out chapter
Speaker 3: one just yet. Age of Disclosure. It's a mixtape, right,
Speaker 3: It's a compilation of interviews from some people who have
Speaker 3: some serious bona fides.
Speaker 2: Yeah, according to whoever wrote the summation on Prime Video,
Speaker 2: it's an explosive documentary that reveals an eighty year global
Speaker 2: cover up of non human intelligent life and a secret
Speaker 2: war among major nations to reverse engineer advanced technology.
Speaker 3: Of secret war unrelated to the Marvel universe. But that's
Speaker 3: a nice sort of phrase, and yet somewhat related. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's definitely seems seems to be a bit of an inspiration.
Speaker 2: Well, and the only reason we really talked about it
Speaker 2: is because it features testimony from thirty four different US government,
Speaker 2: military and intelligence community insiders.
Speaker 3: Right, And we want to be clear, a lot of
Speaker 3: these folks in the military intel community, they are former
Speaker 3: members of those communities. And one thing that's very important,
Speaker 3: mission critical to point out here, folks, is that intelligence
Speaker 3: in general is perishable. Okay, knowing secret government intelligence sometimes
Speaker 3: I swear to whatever God exists, it is like buying
Speaker 3: a fruit that instantly goes bad. It's like buying a
Speaker 3: bunch of bananas, or.
Speaker 4: So it's like buying an avocado avocado.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like buying a bunch of bananas. Because what
Speaker 3: you know as a gospel, secret gospel one Thursday may
Speaker 3: change or become irrelevant two thursdays later. So we honed
Speaker 3: in on something that really stuck out to us, the
Speaker 3: allegations surrounding a thing called the Legacy Program. And at
Speaker 3: the bottom of our research here, I've actually I found
Speaker 3: a really cool visual aid that talks about the process.
Speaker 3: We explored the alleged process of capturing alien craft, and
Speaker 3: I think we had a wild ride with it. We know,
Speaker 3: we knew some of what to expect as we were
Speaker 3: going into chapter one, but it is fair to say
Speaker 3: that we and hopefully you folks were collectively astonished by
Speaker 3: the other stuff we discovered, and that's why we're continuing
Speaker 3: this investigation in chapter two.
Speaker 2: You guys know this. I've been rewatching the X Files,
Speaker 2: and when you go through and look at the primary conspiracy,
Speaker 2: there the concept that there's some kind of cabal within
Speaker 2: the US government that's unknown to the US government itself,
Speaker 2: that is in league with extraterrestrials, and you don't really
Speaker 2: understand why or how any of it's happening. You know,
Speaker 2: the cancer man is involved in a group of guys
Speaker 2: that hang out in this this darkened room where there's
Speaker 2: like a butler. I guess.
Speaker 3: Twelve. It's very Majestic twelve. I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: It is meant to represent Majestic twelve in the show,
Speaker 2: the fictional show The X Files. The crazy thing about
Speaker 2: the Legacy program and what's in the documentary The Age
Speaker 2: of Disclosure. It feels like the two things are almost
Speaker 2: exactly the same thing. Or somehow Chris Carter just projected
Speaker 2: through time and knew about this project or knew that
Speaker 2: the Age of Disclosure was going to come out, or
Speaker 2: the Age of Disclosure is in some weird way based
Speaker 2: on stuff that was in the X Files, right or
Speaker 2: could it I mean, could it be that somehow they
Speaker 2: knew and it's the real thing.
Speaker 3: Which goes to the other conspiracy theory that's a long
Speaker 3: running one. It's the idea that Big Hollywood is slowly
Speaker 3: normalizing the concept of humans or earth folk encountering extra terrestrials.
Speaker 3: And I love that point. Quick visual aid for us here, folks.
Speaker 3: Age of disclosure essentially takes these kind of two separate
Speaker 3: ideas and says boop, same thing, and they do it
Speaker 3: very well.
Speaker 4: Which is so Big Hollywood is like soft selling us
Speaker 4: the idea of aliens, so that when we find out
Speaker 4: that it's real, we're like not that surprised, or we
Speaker 4: sort of like softened warm to the idea a little bit.
Speaker 4: I'm here for that. Yeah, Hollywood does have its propaganda,
Speaker 4: and especially when they are in league with the military,
Speaker 4: and we've talked about this plenty, when they get to
Speaker 4: use all those vehicles and weapons and stuff in order
Speaker 4: to make things that are vaguely, if not outrightly propagandist.
Speaker 3: And the idea too. With the Big Hollywood concept, or
Speaker 3: at least the conspiracy theory surrounding it, folks, is that
Speaker 3: this syop works because when true evidence of extraterrestrials is revealed,
Speaker 3: people won't immediately encounter that economic collapse the Bank of
Speaker 3: England has been worried about recently. Instead, they'll say, oh,
Speaker 3: this reminds me of my favorite movie, Close Encounters of
Speaker 3: the Third Kind or.
Speaker 2: Vibes Yeah, I want I want to strike at the
Speaker 2: heart of this concept, the Majestic twelve concept that we've
Speaker 2: talked about before on the show. The idea that there
Speaker 2: are there's a small group of people who are either
Speaker 2: in top level positions within some kind of government organization,
Speaker 2: whether that's Department of Energy, the US Air Force, name
Speaker 2: your your group, right, and then those people are connected
Speaker 2: with c suite people among private organizations that are like
Speaker 2: government contractors. And but they're all people who are non elected, right,
Speaker 2: so they're not directly connected to this whole system of
Speaker 2: representative government that we you know, that we have, and
Speaker 2: so they can operate on their own basically, and in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways they're above the law, or or
Speaker 2: at least seem to be above the law, because you
Speaker 2: can't take them to Congress to do things you can't
Speaker 2: censure them for specific laws and purposes.
Speaker 4: They don't exists.
Speaker 3: They're above the law. Yes, they don't exist. It's a cabal,
Speaker 3: that's like. That's one of the things I'm still obsessed
Speaker 3: with after all these years, the interlocking Vinn diagrams of
Speaker 3: the rarefied air at the top of the socioeconomic pyramid.
Speaker 2: But we know, like right now, if you went on
Speaker 2: the street and you ask people, if you asked me,
Speaker 2: if I was on the street, hey, who's running up
Speaker 2: these specific programs within the Department of Energy that we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about today, I would have no idea nobody.
Speaker 2: These are not household names that anybody knows about. You know. Again,
Speaker 2: these are not people you vote for. These are not
Speaker 2: people that are on anybody's radar that could theoretically be
Speaker 2: doing some of the things that are alleged in the documentary. Again,
Speaker 2: that is a huge alleged, right right, but it's there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't disagree with that man on the
Speaker 3: street analogy, that person on the street analogy, because who
Speaker 3: in the audience today can just, off the top of
Speaker 3: their head name named the Directorate of Science Grand Poobah
Speaker 3: at the CIA, we had to name drop one of
Speaker 3: the long running former bosses there in chapter one. So
Speaker 3: it's an excellent point I agree with that we have again,
Speaker 3: we have to establish the existence of this particular program.
Speaker 3: The Legacy program has yet to be officially proven or confirmed.
Speaker 3: But multiple nations, not just Uncle Sam, have always had
Speaker 3: programs kind of like this, from the days of ancient
Speaker 3: Empires to current era stuff. Your favorite world superpowers have
Speaker 3: and are and will spend a lot of time, blood, sweat,
Speaker 3: and treasure trying to capture and retrieve any foreign technology
Speaker 3: from a spaceship sure to a trabushe I just like
Speaker 3: saying trebushe I just like saying.
Speaker 4: It doesn't gain much more foreign than than alien technology.
Speaker 4: You know, if we're talking about stuff that would be
Speaker 4: important to know about and potentially learn from and potentially
Speaker 4: harness or get a leg up on the opposition.
Speaker 2: With oh yeah, and and that, and that totally goes
Speaker 2: to so things that have crashed, right like that stealth
Speaker 2: helicopter that accidentally crash at that time we killed bin Laden,
Speaker 2: I guess, or you know, I took him and then
Speaker 2: buried him at sea or whatever we did. This body,
Speaker 2: you guys have you guys see that Lonely Island produced movie.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, what does it call. It'scott Connor Forever.
Speaker 4: And keep on keeping on, never stop it, never stop,
Speaker 4: never stopping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that song about I think it's the Finest
Speaker 2: Girl or I can't remember the action title of the song. No, no,
Speaker 2: I'll do.
Speaker 3: It like we've been loud. Yeah, it's beautifully written, by
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I think about that every time I think
Speaker 2: about that operation now with stealth helicopter Sandberg.
Speaker 3: Fred Armison is in the video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yes, Oh my god, the way he looks
Speaker 2: after his hand gets touched, it's just amazing.
Speaker 4: Fred.
Speaker 2: The point is there's that kind of stuff, but then
Speaker 2: there's also the extensive corporate espionage that we've talked about
Speaker 2: before on this show. You can go back on our
Speaker 2: audio feed and listen to those episodes that the thing
Speaker 2: that other countries will do to try and infiltrate private corporations,
Speaker 2: often to figure out what they're creating right, how specific
Speaker 2: technology works, and then take it back, take that knowledge
Speaker 2: back to their country to build something similar or the same.
Speaker 3: As well as academia, you know, which feeds a lot
Speaker 3: of private R and D. Look at the at the
Speaker 3: top like flattery. O'Connor said, all things that rise converge.
Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing, but great author these things become interlocking. These
Speaker 3: people do tend to know each other, they share some
Speaker 3: of the concerns. We can conclusively prove that stuff like
Speaker 3: the Legacy program existed exist today. Stealth helicopters excellent example there,
Speaker 3: matt nuclear sub retrieval, Russian shadow vessels. That's technology that
Speaker 3: people already you know, everybody knows how a boat works
Speaker 3: at this point. But retrieving foreign assets has always been
Speaker 3: part of the greatest of games, even you know, onto
Speaker 3: retrieving individuals like certain Latin American dictators. See how that ages.
Speaker 3: So it's well established. I guess you know. The point
Speaker 3: that we had to say is if you're if there's
Speaker 3: a if there really is a pro if aliens are
Speaker 3: real and have landed on planet Earth, and there really
Speaker 3: is a series of programs to capture them and acquire
Speaker 3: their stuff, it's going to follow the same precedent. The
Speaker 3: only difference would be maybe a higher level of secrecy,
Speaker 3: which is kind of a tall milkshake to sip.
Speaker 2: Right it is, and we've oscillated on that concept for
Speaker 2: a long time. Is it possible to keep this kind
Speaker 2: of thing a secret if you need this many people.
Speaker 2: I think about the number of people you would really
Speaker 2: need to run a program like this, I think, And
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong here, correct me if I'm right here, guys,
Speaker 2: I think the argument coming from the Age of Disclosure
Speaker 2: documentary is that these individual arms that we're about to
Speaker 2: talk about here, the groups who let's say, pick up
Speaker 2: foreign materials that have crashed, right and then safely transport
Speaker 2: those to a secret location or to you know, a
Speaker 2: base somewhere, and let's say an air force base. Then
Speaker 2: the groups who are going to reverse engineer that technology.
Speaker 2: These are all separate groups working on in their own thing, right,
Speaker 2: kind of with blinders on to what everybody else is doing.
Speaker 2: So it does make me wonder if that's a strong
Speaker 2: enough argument for Like, this is me going internally and saying,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a strong enough argument for
Speaker 2: me to believe, but there is something to that, because
Speaker 2: I know with a big corporation, with any big group, right,
Speaker 2: big group project, you often don't know what your coworkers
Speaker 2: are doing or like how much work they're doing. And
Speaker 2: that's just because there's not enough time in the day
Speaker 2: to be like, hey, this is what I'm doing, this
Speaker 2: is what I'm working on, here's the specifics, here's all
Speaker 2: the stuff I'm touching this week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well if we went back into the office, Matt,
Speaker 4: then we would have much Sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes need to know basis is just scheduling. That's true.
Speaker 3: But I love that we're putting that back up because
Speaker 3: we talked about it in chapter one of this series,
Speaker 3: which is you know, a great comparison is the Manhattan
Speaker 3: Project and oh, Gridge, there are people driving truck that
Speaker 3: worked out, it did work out. There are people driving
Speaker 3: trucks they don't really know what's on the truck and
Speaker 3: they meet like one guy who unloads stuff and then
Speaker 3: points them to a different car and they leave in
Speaker 3: that car and they get a check later in the
Speaker 3: mail or something. That's compartmentalization for sure.
Speaker 4: I mean we've seen evidence of that, like in this
Speaker 4: FBI raid on the voting offices in Fulham County. There
Speaker 4: was a video where somebody was speaking to the FBI
Speaker 4: agents who were removing all of these documents and asking
Speaker 4: them if they knew what they were and they seemed
Speaker 4: to genuinely not no right that their job was not
Speaker 4: to know. Their job was just to retrieve and to
Speaker 4: hand it to somebody, and then they immediately referred to
Speaker 4: them to the public relations guy who was quote unquote
Speaker 4: somewhere around outside.
Speaker 3: Yes, perfect, it was bitching off airs gear enough for this?
Speaker 3: Why was Tulca Gabbard there? I mean, it's it's the
Speaker 3: banality of evil, ana Errant would argue. But when you
Speaker 3: it also removes a bit of ownership, agency, and accountability
Speaker 3: right from individuals in a system or in a process,
Speaker 3: because now later something evil happens. You can be that
Speaker 3: person who says, look, I didn't know the full lay
Speaker 3: of the land. I didn't see the whole forest. I
Speaker 3: was a small shrub in the forest, and my job
Speaker 3: was to drive things from point A to point Z.
Speaker 3: So we really can't be mad at me because I
Speaker 3: was just the transporter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, once enough information gets out there and people are
Speaker 4: more aware of the big picture, at a certain point
Speaker 4: becomes complicity.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, you know, yeah, one hundred percent. And
Speaker 3: that's why we started asking ourselves with these conversations about compartmentalization.
Speaker 3: Philip conspiracy realist, We said, what would a program like
Speaker 3: this look like? As we said, earlier, calling back to
Speaker 3: our house Stuff Works Roots, we said, how would this
Speaker 3: function given that there's an enormous expense involved, could you
Speaker 3: maybe trace the money? For instance, I believe in Age
Speaker 3: of Disclosure, we have Louise Elizondo and Dan Farrah, the
Speaker 3: director are quote a number something north of trillions of dollars,
Speaker 3: like more than a trillion dollars were used in the
Speaker 3: legacy program, So how could you hide that much money?
Speaker 2: A lot of that we talked about Katherine Austin Fits
Speaker 2: and her allegations that the US government has somehow hidden
Speaker 2: or lost like twenty trillion dollars or more to create
Speaker 2: all kinds of underground bunkers and stuff. But what if
Speaker 2: it's not bunkers, what if it's this kind of program.
Speaker 3: That's an excellent question, Matt, because I remember we did
Speaker 3: that our weekly Strange News segment where Katherine Austin Fits
Speaker 3: alleged that the US has a twenty one trillion dollar
Speaker 3: underground network of cities and compounds essentially for the one
Speaker 3: percenters and the connected. So you can check that out
Speaker 3: in I think we did it mid last year, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five. But gosh, what a great point that if
Speaker 3: that is true. It has a been conclusively proven. But
Speaker 3: what a great point about how easy it is for
Speaker 3: very powerful entity to hide so much money. Right, It's
Speaker 3: way easier for those folks than it would be for
Speaker 3: an individual.
Speaker 2: But the money could also just be tied in to
Speaker 2: the US Department of Energies Protection program operations, right, or
Speaker 2: or their Office of Environment, Health and Safety and Security
Speaker 2: or whatever's there are all these places where money could
Speaker 2: be kind of hidden and squirrelled away just for special
Speaker 2: access programs that we have no awareness of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and with with our thought programs, well we are
Speaker 3: thought experiment, we have a program. Yet, folks, I guess
Speaker 3: this is kind of a program. That's nice. There's a
Speaker 3: podcast that's nice. It's nice to think about it this way. So, okay,
Speaker 3: we're talking about these proposed cover tactics. That's something that
Speaker 3: a lot of people who believe in the Legacy program
Speaker 3: argues occurs. We know there is this proven precedent of
Speaker 3: hiding secret initiatives behind existing agencies and sub agencies. That's
Speaker 3: conclusively proven, that is in arguable, absolutely right, So maybe
Speaker 3: there are publicly acknowledged programs, sub agencies, departments, sub departments,
Speaker 3: you know, stuff buried under red tape that can function
Speaker 3: as cover for legacy program activities.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess my question to that, Ben is it
Speaker 4: makes me think of the way like kind of nefarious
Speaker 4: stuff is often packed or hidden inside of seemingly innocuous legislation.
Speaker 4: Do you think that these entities could be discovered if
Speaker 4: an eagle eyed citizen were to look deeply enough and
Speaker 4: sift enough through the red tape or is it beyond
Speaker 4: even that.
Speaker 3: That's a great question, though, I hope. So that's just
Speaker 3: speaking for myself as a single entity. I do hope.
Speaker 3: So we know to your question that that kind of
Speaker 3: whistleblowing has occurred in the past, so it has successfully
Speaker 3: happened every so often. And to your point, one thing
Speaker 3: that is really interesting to all of us about the
Speaker 3: age of disclosure is there's no shortage of voices in
Speaker 3: that documentary who claimed to be that guy who claimed
Speaker 3: to be that whistleblower, you know, and they're just saying
Speaker 3: please listen to Well, it's a.
Speaker 2: Weird situation because don't forget everybody, we do have Presidential
Speaker 2: Policy Directive nineteen which says, hey, if you're in the
Speaker 2: DoD or any sensitive situation in government, you can come
Speaker 2: forward and we're not gonna We're not gonna do anything
Speaker 2: to you. We're gonna protect you if you come forward.
Speaker 2: But then you've also got things like in the Department
Speaker 2: of Energy, where they've got a DOE insider threat program,
Speaker 2: which you have to decide. Let's say I'm in the
Speaker 2: Department of Energy, I know some stuff program, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go tell somebody right, see something, say something.
Speaker 2: Who's gonna come for me? Is it gonna be the
Speaker 2: folks who protect the whistleblowers or the folks that find
Speaker 2: the insider threats?
Speaker 3: Right? What happens when you snitch? And this is this
Speaker 3: happens in government throughout the world to various degrees. Check
Speaker 3: out the recent the recent blood bath of Chinese leadership
Speaker 3: that's occurring as we record on Friday, January thirtieth. But
Speaker 3: it also consider your favorite local big corporation, which will
Speaker 3: inevitably have an hr internal reporting line. Then we're just
Speaker 3: going to say beware, you know, ask yourself some serious questions.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's a story for another evening.
Speaker 2: I think you might be right, man. Don't forget. There's
Speaker 2: also an Intelligence Community Whistleblow or Protection Act that exists.
Speaker 2: So even in the intelligence community, you can theoretically come forward.
Speaker 2: Scary thing is no I.
Speaker 4: Mean, I mean, but yeah, but then watch out for
Speaker 4: those little red dots right yeah, yeah, that's the wrong window.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, the wrong just hanging out alone or
Speaker 2: in a jail cell. God, you know I'm recording.
Speaker 3: Be careful recording by a window right now, you guys,
Speaker 3: don't do that.
Speaker 2: Let's time stamp it gallade. Maxwell is going to go
Speaker 2: testify again. It is Friday, January thirtieth, and she is
Speaker 2: still alive.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, cool, and we'll let us start the clock. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So there is again, there's no concrete proof of the
Speaker 3: Legacy program, just like there's no mimetics division. Shout out
Speaker 3: to all our fellow SCP fans. Since we don't have
Speaker 3: the entirety of the picture, the view of the forest,
Speaker 3: the understanding of the whole puzzle, we have to look
Speaker 3: at the breadcrumbs that we do know. And it turns
Speaker 3: out there are more than a few proven, known, actual facts,
Speaker 3: initiatives and sub agencies that, as we record tonight, would
Speaker 3: just possibly be part of the biggest cover up in
Speaker 3: all of human history. I think we pause for a
Speaker 3: word from our sponsors.
Speaker 5: Oh, I agree, here's where it gets crazy, That is right, folks,
Speaker 5: hear us Well, Matt Noel and yours truly did a
Speaker 5: lot of digging and we found some stuff that is,
Speaker 5: while it's not smoking gun proof, it is fascinating.
Speaker 4: It is interesting in italics smoking man proof.
Speaker 3: What do we have? Oh yeah, yeah, we don't have
Speaker 3: the entire puzzle because if we did, we'd probably be
Speaker 3: in front of Congress or we'd be definestrating, you know,
Speaker 3: or having some non consensual conversations with firearms.
Speaker 2: Active auto defenestration.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm in front of a giant window. There are
Speaker 4: multiple rooftops visible to me right now, you know, freaking
Speaker 4: me out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, saying the same thing, like, sit in front of
Speaker 3: a window. I gotta send you a picture of this view, guys,
Speaker 3: just so it's time stamped in case something happens.
Speaker 2: I want to see. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's coming up
Speaker 2: with more things. It's like uh self administered polonium mouth rents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say enema, but mouth rerints
Speaker 4: is a little more wholesome.
Speaker 3: Extreme duffel bag spelunking. Right, that's another one, right, right?
Speaker 3: Uh not non consensual or black bag cosplay, non considerual
Speaker 3: corporate limbs. Spin off, you know what I mean, that's
Speaker 3: why they Yeah, that's got to be a good action.
Speaker 2: Literally spinned off, spin spun, spun spun.
Speaker 3: Now, we do have a lot of things that could
Speaker 3: arguably be puzzle pieces, right, And this is this is
Speaker 3: because when you get to if we're if we're being
Speaker 3: completely honest, right, and we're not being the sort of
Speaker 3: over zealous skeptics, or we're not being the overly credulous
Speaker 3: quote unquote true believers, everybody can admit the US government
Speaker 3: is huge. It's byzantine, it's labyrintine, it's it's so big
Speaker 3: that when you get to the secret stuff, you went
Speaker 3: through all these special access programs, things you have to
Speaker 3: be read on, as as we call it, need to
Speaker 3: know stuff, compartmentalization, a continence worth of red tape and
Speaker 3: black high lighters, and as odd as it may say,
Speaker 3: out any government employee watching or hanging out with US tonight, folks,
Speaker 3: you know that sometimes one agency can do something that
Speaker 3: another agency has no knowledge of, and they can do
Speaker 3: double work sometimes without talking to each other. They can
Speaker 3: also work at cross purposes. So it's not uncommon historically,
Speaker 3: for instance, for the CIA to do stuff that is
Speaker 3: in direct opposition of some other US government agency. Not
Speaker 3: even necessarily malevolent, they just have they're just very protective
Speaker 3: of their turf and they haven't talked to each other.
Speaker 3: This happens with innocuous agencies too, right.
Speaker 2: So, as far as the Age of Disclosure documentary is concerned,
Speaker 2: the Legacy program that they talk about is supposedly controlled
Speaker 2: and run by the Department of Energy, the Air Force,
Speaker 2: and then some contractors. And then in our previous episode, Ben,
Speaker 2: you found some connections with the CIA, right.
Speaker 3: Oh, Tons, yeah, Tons, And this is this goes back
Speaker 3: to our earlier point that people were talking about the
Speaker 3: Legacy program, you know, well before the publication of the
Speaker 3: documentary Age of Disclosure. But maybe we talk about that part.
Speaker 3: This is a great in for us. Let's in will
Speaker 3: be a funny punt later, we promise. Let's maybe talk
Speaker 3: about some of the parts of the government and parts
Speaker 3: of those interlocking private public cabals that could be involved
Speaker 3: in something like the Legacy program. And I know we're
Speaker 3: all hot about this one. Why not start with the
Speaker 3: Department of Energy. It's such a great name I think
Speaker 3: it's the coolest department name.
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because it's responsible for so much. I mean, like,
Speaker 4: on the one hand, it makes so many rules and
Speaker 4: regulations surrounding you know, how energy is deployed and safety regulations.
Speaker 4: But it also has a whole other aspect to it
Speaker 4: in terms of weaponry and the way that some of
Speaker 4: this technology figures into things that are much outside of
Speaker 4: the scope of just like you know, powering our fridges, Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah we couldn't. We our militaries wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: do much without energy, right, Without power, not much innovation, technology,
Speaker 2: commerce without power, without energy, none of that really happens.
Speaker 2: So it's not again, it's not talked about on a
Speaker 2: regular basis as that much of an interesting thing. But
Speaker 2: then you jump to like this group is like figuring
Speaker 2: out where let's say, oil reserves are in other countries
Speaker 2: where maybe you could pluck a president out out of
Speaker 2: the sky and run that country's oil, or maybe we
Speaker 2: need to find some some rare earth minerals in another
Speaker 2: place called what.
Speaker 3: Do they call it Iceland?
Speaker 2: Oh, no, it's Greenland.
Speaker 3: Common there is a common mistake made by all sorts
Speaker 3: of people. But then also I would add to that,
Speaker 3: maybe they would also need to keep an eye on
Speaker 3: any plucky young entrepreneur who invents something that is seen
Speaker 3: as a threat to national security, because the Invention Secrecy
Speaker 3: Act of nineteen fifty one is authorizing the Department of
Speaker 3: Energy specifically to go and take your invention. It's deeper
Speaker 3: than hip hop, It's bigger than wrap. Energy is a
Speaker 3: big word, and they are involved with every known aspect,
Speaker 3: every conceivable aspect of the concept of energy.
Speaker 4: Well, the crux of so many big, you know, apocalyptic
Speaker 4: sci fi type stories is energy or like you know,
Speaker 4: free energy. They who control you know, cold fusion, controls
Speaker 4: the world. I mean, it really is that one of
Speaker 4: the most important puzzle pieces in the grand scheme of
Speaker 4: global you know, warfare, economics, all the things that you
Speaker 4: just mentioned that I mean, is it is.
Speaker 3: It's a big deal. I just want to emphasize again.
Speaker 3: And folks, I know I sound like a broken record,
Speaker 3: but please check out our episode on the Invention Secrecy
Speaker 3: Act of nineteen fifty one. It is tied directly to
Speaker 3: some of the stuff we're talking about, and it is
Speaker 3: a true conspiracy and you need to know about it.
Speaker 2: Please be careful, well, it just it makes me wonder
Speaker 2: how far that organization would go to protect the you know,
Speaker 2: for national security or whatever, the country's resources, as well
Speaker 2: as how far they would go to suppress, let's say,
Speaker 2: research into something that would upend the current power structure.
Speaker 2: Right that that Energy provides specifically for militaries, but again
Speaker 2: also for the money sector, for the markets and things
Speaker 2: like that. And that's why I think that Department Energy
Speaker 2: is so interesting for us to look at. When you
Speaker 2: when you look deep into the organization, you realize, oh,
Speaker 2: it's not this, it's not one big thing. It's a
Speaker 2: bunch of smaller organizations within the umbrella corporation hat resident
Speaker 2: evil everybody of the Department of Energy, and specifically just
Speaker 2: one of the things we looked at was that Protection
Speaker 2: Program Operations Group. I guess that's in there.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us a little bit more about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's basically security. It's is Department of Energy
Speaker 2: Security Forces. It's very strange. If you go deep into it,
Speaker 2: you can find this thing called officially Designated Federal Security
Speaker 2: Authority or the o d FSA, as well as trusted agents,
Speaker 2: which are essentially appear to be contractors at least according
Speaker 2: to some of the writing you can find online here,
Speaker 2: like this is DOEO four seven three dot three A.
Speaker 2: So exciting, isn't it. It's an order. It's from twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: and it is establishing requirements for the management and operation
Speaker 2: of the Department of Energy, Federal Protective Forces and contractor
Speaker 2: Protective Forces. And it is it goes into the physical
Speaker 2: security of property and personnel under the cognizance of DOE,
Speaker 2: which it goes further to describe. We'll just I'll read
Speaker 2: it out really fast under the doees purview, ranging from facility, buildings,
Speaker 2: government property, and employees to national security interests, which is
Speaker 2: always an interesting one, right because that can be a
Speaker 2: wide range of things as well as classified information, special
Speaker 2: nuclear material and nuclear weapons and we know nuclear stuff, right,
Speaker 2: that's one of the biggest things because the Atomic Energy
Speaker 2: Commission and all of that and some of the Atomic
Speaker 2: Energy Acts that end up going into the Department of Energy.
Speaker 2: That's like it's bread and butter. That's why it's there, right,
Speaker 2: or for a large part, the nukes and the nuclear
Speaker 2: energy is why Department of Energy does its thing. So
Speaker 2: you would need security for that. It's just strange to
Speaker 2: really think about it. Do you guys ever think about
Speaker 2: like official Department of Energy security personnel?
Speaker 3: I do now for sure. I mean, this is something
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought this to us because this
Speaker 3: reminds me of another thing in that umbrella corporation. Great reference.
Speaker 3: By the way, it's the Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence.
Speaker 3: Its street name is in what so that that pays
Speaker 3: off for the dumb joke we made earlier. Office of
Speaker 3: Intelligence and Counterintelligence. It is part of the Department of Energy.
Speaker 3: We've got a quote from their own website. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do an evil voice just editorialize the ALFICE provides counterintelligence
Speaker 3: and cyber threat intelligence support to protect the people, facilities,
Speaker 3: and intellectual property throughout the DOE complex as well as
Speaker 3: it is the department and its mission to protect the
Speaker 3: energy sector, which is largely in private hands.
Speaker 2: The private hands thing. What do you think? What do
Speaker 2: you what do they mean by that?
Speaker 3: Is that like Scuckwork's defense and discuss Well, I mean
Speaker 3: part of it, but also you know, like Westinghouse nuclear reactors,
Speaker 3: fossil fuel extraction. It's their embedded intelligence arm They they
Speaker 3: are so deep with every other US intelligence agency. You
Speaker 3: can imagine. And they also and this is again, this
Speaker 3: is not us blowing rainbows and spinning campfire stories, despite
Speaker 3: the way this weird lighting looks on my end. They
Speaker 3: are conducting foreign intelligence analysis. To your earlier points about
Speaker 3: figuring out, you know, where the oil is in a
Speaker 3: different country, and they do something called collections support for
Speaker 3: foreign nuclear weapons, fuel cycle programs, nuclear terrorism, nuclear material security,
Speaker 3: strategic science, and technological developments and trends again Invention Secrecy
Speaker 3: Act and Energy security spoopy doopy.
Speaker 2: You know, according to Molder, oftentimes when there's been a
Speaker 2: close encounter with some kind of UAPUFO, there is some
Speaker 2: kind of background radiation elevation going on, so you could
Speaker 2: say maybe there was nuclear material there and it would
Speaker 2: fall under the purview of set intelligence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if we're at the DOE, you know, because federal
Speaker 3: agencies are always having turf wars. If it's tennessee h
Speaker 3: Frederick Copenhagen and redacted runded the DOE. As soon as
Speaker 3: we hear about that radiation, we're immediately showing up and
Speaker 3: we're going, hey, guys, thanks for coming to the meeting.
Speaker 3: This technically qualifies as energy. So raise your hand if
Speaker 3: you have a department about energy. I only see the
Speaker 3: four of us in this meeting with our hands raised.
Speaker 3: Is there anybody else who has a Department of Energy?
Speaker 4: It's kind of funny how innocuous The description on the
Speaker 4: DOE or the the DOE website is. Their mission is
Speaker 4: outlined as ensuring America's security and prosperity by addressing its energy, environmental,
Speaker 4: and nuclear challenges through transformative science and technology solutions.
Speaker 2: Oh see that science. Department of Energy equals science in
Speaker 2: my brain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we research.
Speaker 4: Ben's about also yoinking research and innovations that perhaps threaten that,
Speaker 4: you know, scientific hegemony from others.
Speaker 3: I think that's a great word for it, no hegemony,
Speaker 3: because a point that we need to hit there is
Speaker 3: the idea of a threat to national security, especially with invention.
Speaker 3: Secrecy is sometimes weaponized against the spirit of the law
Speaker 3: because national security the way it's rationalized is sometimes synonymous
Speaker 3: with what you're talking about, the hegemonic world order, like
Speaker 3: is it is it national security or is it bad
Speaker 3: for the current one percent? That's the question, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, And that's what they run into. So
Speaker 3: I love that you're making that point, Doe man. Maybe
Speaker 3: we should just get hired with the DOE they have.
Speaker 4: I'm good.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was reading there job, but I wanted
Speaker 3: to see if they had a role that I could
Speaker 3: I could maybe fill Office of Intelligence and counter Intelligence.
Speaker 4: Let me know, it seems like a lot of work,
Speaker 4: a lot of Styes, high real high pressure. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think I'm gonna stick with this podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, we just need to hit up a guy named
Speaker 2: Gary White. Let me share a quick thing with you, guys.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: This is the US Department of Energy Order d OE
Speaker 2: O four seventy dot three B. This is the Graded
Speaker 2: Security Protection or GSP policy. This is very interesting to
Speaker 2: be guys. What what do you think? What do you
Speaker 2: think graded security protection means?
Speaker 4: I mean it's got a slight slope to it.
Speaker 3: You said you're saying graded g R A D ed right, Yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 3: so it's not cheese related. No, it's not great.
Speaker 4: I stick with my original answer.
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you what. I don't freaking know what
Speaker 2: it means. According to this order, it says this order
Speaker 2: is classified as secret and D no foreign and will
Speaker 2: not be available on the Directive's portal. This order cancels
Speaker 2: and supersedes a different one for seventy dot three a
Speaker 2: design basis threat policy. But you can again contact Gary
Speaker 2: White and it gives you his phone number and his
Speaker 2: email address at the DOOE dot gov. The reason why
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting, guys, is the concept of having
Speaker 2: some kind of graded level of a threat, you know,
Speaker 2: similar to back in the day when we were under
Speaker 2: threat after nine to eleven and then everybody was living
Speaker 2: under this weird like color graded scale of whether or
Speaker 2: not there's gonna be another attack.
Speaker 3: Which is very unfair to color blind entities, by the way,
Speaker 3: just use numbers like that, you know, regal film trope
Speaker 3: about defcon you know what I mean that that kind
Speaker 3: of Okay, so graded security protection. This reminds you of that.
Speaker 3: Have we called Gary because this looks like it's from
Speaker 3: eight but then it got certified in eleven.
Speaker 2: I know, but I bet somebody is at that off
Speaker 2: like in that office. You know, I guarantee you that
Speaker 2: number is not a cell phone number. That is a
Speaker 2: it's office phone number.
Speaker 3: One area code. That definitely is not a cell phone.
Speaker 4: We'll just hit him up at Gary dot White at
Speaker 4: at DOE dot com.
Speaker 3: Oh he's a junior too, Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to do to the guy, and
Speaker 2: who knows what he has to do with anything. It's
Speaker 2: just it's weird that we can't know that information, like
Speaker 2: what does that even mean? Doesn't have anything to do
Speaker 2: with it, And it just made me imagine that there's
Speaker 2: some level in there that is like this is silly,
Speaker 2: but like the alien stuff that's like level infrared.
Speaker 3: I love it too, and we've got to no, don't
Speaker 3: be sorry, this is great. We've got to also confirm
Speaker 3: that a lot of times when stuff is classified as
Speaker 3: boring as it is to say a lot, a lot
Speaker 3: of times when you actually figure out the thing, it's
Speaker 3: going to be so banal and bureaucratic and kind of boring.
Speaker 3: It's often a lot of cya and we're just hoping.
Speaker 3: You know. It reminds me this is such a Georgia reference,
Speaker 3: but it reminds me of like visiting Delonaga, the tourism
Speaker 3: site where you can pan for gold. Kids love it.
Speaker 3: I think we all love it growing up. And the
Speaker 3: idea is that you know, you might actually find a
Speaker 3: little gold, but you're gonna need to be there for
Speaker 3: a long time because most of it is plain old dirt.
Speaker 4: Or if you want to sept farther removed from that,
Speaker 4: you can just ride the Delanaga mine train at six
Speaker 4: Flags over Georgia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you don't have too much time, you know,
Speaker 3: to get all the way up to Deladaga, and you're
Speaker 3: just in town for a night or two days, you
Speaker 3: need a week, just just hit the mind train. Well.
Speaker 2: I like that idea though, because if you ever do
Speaker 2: that thing in Dolanaga or any other wherever you are
Speaker 2: panning for gold, you might get some specs, right, like
Speaker 2: literally specs of gold that you'll take over to a
Speaker 2: person who will put it into a vial of water
Speaker 2: after they bite. Marvel at your gold specs. Okay, guys,
Speaker 2: could we stay in the DOE for a little while.
Speaker 4: Please.
Speaker 2: This inside threat program that I mentioned before, you can
Speaker 2: find this. I'm gonna just give you order numbers because
Speaker 2: you can find these actually online if.
Speaker 3: You'll look them up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is US Department of Energy Order DOEO four seven
Speaker 2: zero dot five, and this establishes responsibilities and requirements for
Speaker 2: the Department of Energy Insider Threat Program. The purpose is
Speaker 2: to deter, detect, and mitigate insider threat actions by federal
Speaker 2: and contractor employees in accordance with the requirements of Executive
Speaker 2: Order one three, five eight seven, which is just god,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to read that. There's so many
Speaker 2: words strung together in an executive order about reforms to
Speaker 2: improve security, it's insane. But just this, I was thinking
Speaker 2: about the concept of men in black, right, this idea
Speaker 2: that there could be some group that specifically goes out
Speaker 2: and warns people, threat threatens people, maybe soft threats, or
Speaker 2: at least just shows up as a menacing force to
Speaker 2: let you know you shouldn't be doing whatever you're doing
Speaker 2: or talking about whatever you're talking about. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that's what the Insider Threat program is. I think
Speaker 2: perhaps just this concept of within that organization that is
Speaker 2: alleged within that documentary to be a part of the
Speaker 2: Legacy program, this could be an interesting arm to use
Speaker 2: as that like, hey, you better shut the heck up, sure,
Speaker 2: or we're going to.
Speaker 4: Take you out.
Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And did we talk about the Office of Secure Transportation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get to that, and then the CIA and
Speaker 3: then the rest of the world, because it's bigger than
Speaker 3: the United States. After a brief word from our sponsors.
Speaker 4: And we're back, tell us about transportation. Matt, I don't
Speaker 4: think this is this is one that you looked into.
Speaker 4: I'm not very I'm not up on the concept.
Speaker 2: Here is if you've got sensitive materials and you've all
Speaker 2: like that, you need to go retrieve, let's say, and
Speaker 2: take to a secure location. Let's say the types of
Speaker 2: transportation you already have are they're meant to transport let's say,
Speaker 2: fissile materials, right, crazy sensitive stuff. You don't want anyone
Speaker 2: to know about what's in your truck when you're moving it,
Speaker 2: or in your railcar when you're moving it. And you
Speaker 2: also have to make sure other people are protected when
Speaker 2: that thing's let's say, on the highway on a truck.
Speaker 2: If you've got radioactive materials that aren't fully secured, then
Speaker 2: you're gonna radiate everybody in their you know, their minivans
Speaker 2: driving down the road next to you.
Speaker 4: Sure, maybe got to make sure that tailgate's well secured.
Speaker 2: Yes, So, Department of Energy has this thing called the
Speaker 2: Office of Secure Transportation. It was established in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 2: It's part of the National Nuclear Security Administration, and they've
Speaker 2: got this thing. You guys, I've got a quick little
Speaker 2: video to share that has hilarious audio in it because
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to imagine where the guy doing voiceover
Speaker 2: is with regards to his mic, and it feels like
Speaker 2: it's halfway into his mouth. So just really quick, just
Speaker 2: super quick.
Speaker 4: Is this gonna to trigger our Cenis.
Speaker 3: It might?
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes?
Speaker 2: This video is from the National Nuclear Security Administration.
Speaker 6: In two thousand, Doe created National Nuclear Security Administration. This
Speaker 6: office administers the total United States nuclear weapons program, including
Speaker 6: the design, production, and delivery of nuclear weapons and components.
Speaker 6: OST has developed the Safeguards Transporter or SGT, a technologically
Speaker 6: advanced vehicle that enhances safety and security for special nuclear
Speaker 6: material cargoes. The SGT is constructed to survive very severe
Speaker 6: highway accidents, including impact and a long duration fire. The
Speaker 6: sgts are designed and built to deter, surprise, and delay
Speaker 6: even the most aggressive adversary. OST convoys are composed of
Speaker 6: unmarked escort and transport vehicles. The only easily recognized feature
Speaker 6: is the US government license plate.
Speaker 3: What are these like?
Speaker 4: Leadlined though? I mean, there's got to be something that
Speaker 4: sets them aside to warrant all of those outrageous acronyms
Speaker 4: he's thrown around there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and you know, admittedly this is a very
Speaker 2: old video, as you can tell by the voiceover and
Speaker 2: the quality of the video, but there are this organization
Speaker 2: to the Office of Secure Transportation within the DOE has
Speaker 2: these specialized trucks, right, and they had them back then.
Speaker 2: You can only imagine how that type of transportation has
Speaker 2: improved over the years. And it's very secretive and it's
Speaker 2: extremely secure. I don't know, it doesn't you can't tell
Speaker 2: from that video, but there there are some highly trained
Speaker 2: human beings hiding in that truck, you know, with with
Speaker 2: automatic weapons, ready to jump out, and you know, protect
Speaker 2: the cargo. And it is also always trailed, at least
Speaker 2: according to you know, that official video, there by several
Speaker 2: unmarked vehicles, vans, trucks, all kinds of stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And I think about I go back to the X Files, guys.
Speaker 2: I think about the episodes where there is a track
Speaker 2: trailer that's got let's say, an alien body on it,
Speaker 2: or it's got pieces of a spacecraft on it, or
Speaker 2: Alex Krychik, and they use very similar technology in that show.
Speaker 2: And then this thing exists for real within the government. Why,
Speaker 2: I guess can't really prove a negative, but to me,
Speaker 2: it feels like it could definitely be a part of it.
Speaker 4: I guess I see your point, though, I mean, it
Speaker 4: does seem like that level of sensitive material or technology
Speaker 4: or whatever organic material would be treated with the same
Speaker 4: level of security and risk as some of these incredibly
Speaker 4: you know, dangerous materials that we know about, like you know,
Speaker 4: nuclear waste and or fissile material or weapon payloads or whatever.
Speaker 4: It does seem like it would you know, fall under
Speaker 4: a similar wheelhouse, if not require a little more specialized
Speaker 4: equipment to move, but you could probably get by with
Speaker 4: using the same stuff. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I yeah, if is it a giant spacecraft, then probably
Speaker 2: can't use that tractor trailer, But you know, but.
Speaker 4: A piece of it, the drivet trainer, whatever the flipp
Speaker 4: you call it.
Speaker 3: And folks, I'd like to directly I'm reading your minds
Speaker 3: a little bit, fellow conspiracy realist, I'd like to directly
Speaker 3: address a question several of us probably just had, which is, hey,
Speaker 3: if this stuff is so top secret, then why is
Speaker 3: it not being spirited away via aircraft? The issue is
Speaker 3: that aircraft are actually often easier to trace and follow
Speaker 3: than something that looks somewhat like a faceless semi truck
Speaker 3: or a non distinctive semi truck. So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: and obviously anybody's paying attention to the Middle East right
Speaker 3: now knows that there's a lot of theater and signals
Speaker 3: with transponders being turned on and off in the world
Speaker 3: of aviation. But taking a road trip is actually a
Speaker 3: very smart way to do something. It's also less predictable
Speaker 3: than being on the immovable path of a train track,
Speaker 3: So that's why this is one of our culprits for sure.
Speaker 2: But I mean, how often do you really look at
Speaker 2: the trains when they go by?
Speaker 4: You know? I look at him for a really long time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I'm mainly just the admiring the graffiti.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I drive to train yards to stare at them.
Speaker 3: He gives you a sense of peace. But yeah, the
Speaker 3: graffiti's awesome too.
Speaker 4: You're a train spot Ben, I didn't know that about you.
Speaker 4: And hang out with Francis Bourgeois.
Speaker 3: I do not. I'm not on that guy's level, but
Speaker 3: do check him out. He's I love that guy. He's awesome.
Speaker 3: And we've got we have other stuff we want to
Speaker 3: get to. One thing. We have to mention is we
Speaker 3: we talked about the CIA's purported Office of Global Access
Speaker 3: and forgot to mention one of our favorite riffs about
Speaker 3: the acronym or the initialism O g A, which is
Speaker 3: it's a cynical Gallows humor joke. Within the world of
Speaker 3: big government, you will you'll read reports about operations where
Speaker 3: someone says OGA and they're actually referring to other government
Speaker 3: agency and it's a veiled reference to the CIA when
Speaker 3: the company or the shop doesn't want to be involved
Speaker 3: with a project on record?
Speaker 4: Is the OGA like the the original gangsters of government agencies?
Speaker 3: Basically, I think those are both true, and I think
Speaker 3: that's a beautiful point we did mention, like, so Age
Speaker 3: of Disclosure doesn't get as far into this as they should.
Speaker 3: But if you are looking at the actual like nuts
Speaker 3: and bolts or pitches about the alleged legacy program, and
Speaker 3: you're going into the research existed before the documentary, then
Speaker 3: you'll see tons and tons of associations with the CIA,
Speaker 3: that retrieval unit we alluded to in chapter one. You'll
Speaker 3: also see the DS and T, you know, the Directorate
Speaker 3: of Science and Technology. It's very real. To that earlier
Speaker 3: point we made it's something a lot of people won't
Speaker 3: know about. It's not a story. The Jedi of mass
Speaker 3: media will tell you. They are the precursor or predecessor,
Speaker 3: I should say, to the ARROW program, the All Domain
Speaker 3: Anomaly Resolution Office. These are the folks who post a
Speaker 3: project Bluebook, created something called the Robertson Panel, and they're
Speaker 3: the ones who famously said ninety percent of blue Book
Speaker 3: sightings are mundane and everybody shut up about the other
Speaker 3: ten percent, and then they classified that until nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 3: That's where so many of these conspiracies come from. I
Speaker 3: can't believe we didn't talk about the Robertson panel yet,
Speaker 3: but there you have it.
Speaker 4: Maybe another episode.
Speaker 3: Maybe this is feeling more and more like a Part three,
Speaker 3: is it not?
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Before we wrap this one, though, guys, but we've teased
Speaker 4: this a few times about analogs to these types of
Speaker 4: things in other countries.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh gosh, no, thank you for bringing us.
Speaker 3: This is one of the biggest things, right because we
Speaker 3: are individuals who often live in the United States, and
Speaker 3: one of the things we always look for, and the
Speaker 3: course of stuff they'll want you to know is whether
Speaker 3: other big world powers are doing similar things. And I
Speaker 3: love that you're bringing this up because here's the reality,
Speaker 3: all right, there are strong allegations of similar programs in
Speaker 3: China and Russia, and these are very different places from
Speaker 3: the United States. But you have to grock this. I
Speaker 3: hate that Elon took the word rock from us. Dylan
Speaker 3: keep it in. But the thing we have to understand
Speaker 3: is that even though these places are very culturally and
Speaker 3: ideologically different, operationally they are going to tend to mirror
Speaker 3: each other. Just like our series on assassination as a tactic,
Speaker 3: the Big Boys, the Big Badgers, they find what works,
Speaker 3: so they tend to be very similar in their operational approaches.
Speaker 3: That's why we're asking if China and Russia in particular
Speaker 3: have their own legacy programs. So here's the news. We
Speaker 3: won't have time tonight to get to all this because
Speaker 3: we're running long, but China and Russia do have their programs.
Speaker 3: They are fascinating. They may be episodes in the future.
Speaker 3: China has something called KURO, the China UFO Research Organization,
Speaker 3: and then their version of NASA has a dedicated UFO
Speaker 3: monitoring center and some of the coolest news or scariest
Speaker 3: news back in twenty twenty one, the Chinese military went public.
Speaker 3: They are currently using AI and machine learning and their
Speaker 3: search for UFOs, which they call unidentified air conditions.
Speaker 2: That's great, good woh. But it makes so much sense too,
Speaker 2: because in those countries, as you said, Ben, they mirror
Speaker 2: us in all the ways, and they've got these official
Speaker 2: public facing things, these organizations that they're creating. Russia's got
Speaker 2: one too that it's not the same, but it's similar, right,
Speaker 2: stuff that they'll actually put a press release out about.
Speaker 2: But they also those other countries also have the same
Speaker 2: kinds of organizations that we do in the United States,
Speaker 2: like the Department of Energy, like that Air Force Potential Connection,
Speaker 2: and like that private industry via government contracts to make things.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, because they want an end result, they want
Speaker 3: a profit, they want a financial, economic, or military edge
Speaker 3: of some sort. And Russia's history with UFOs is riddled
Speaker 3: with numerous sightings incidents. The Soviet Union kept this stuff
Speaker 3: very close to the chest during the Cold War, but
Speaker 3: they were doing stuff like bluebook investigations, and then after
Speaker 3: the fall of the Soviet Union, the new Russian government
Speaker 3: emerging in the nineteen nineties, was a little more for
Speaker 3: it's coming. The public learned about the All Russian UFO
Speaker 3: Research Center. They also learned that Russia had stories to tell.
Speaker 3: They have their own versions of a David Grush, you know,
Speaker 3: they have their own versions of the Louise Elazando. And
Speaker 3: they tend to work much more closely with Russian based
Speaker 3: civilian UFO enthusiast, which seems weird. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I've got just like a stereotype of big Russian government,
Speaker 3: but that seems oddly friendly.
Speaker 2: Well, it makes me think about more the allegations in
Speaker 2: the age of disclosure, this concept that all of these
Speaker 2: countries are chomping at the bit to get that little
Speaker 2: tiny edge right. So you want somebody to come forward
Speaker 2: and say if you've seen something, right, you want somebody
Speaker 2: to come forward. You just don't want it to be
Speaker 2: on a public channel. You want it to be internal
Speaker 2: so that hey, we can actually send someone out to
Speaker 2: take a look at that thing. Oh, you think there
Speaker 2: was some kind of craft that went into the ocean
Speaker 2: at this specific point in the Arctic. We'll send a
Speaker 2: team out to look for it. Right, But we're not
Speaker 2: gonna raise a flag and say, hey, everybody, there's like UFO.
Speaker 2: We figure there's sub merged objects over here because you
Speaker 2: want it as that superpower. You want that thing.
Speaker 3: I love. I love the idea of going of the
Speaker 3: People's Liberation Army having an official Instagram page and going
Speaker 3: live and saying, hey guys, it's your boy. The Chinese government.
Speaker 3: We're going to Antarctica right now, but toss us alike.
Speaker 3: We might see an alien, you know.
Speaker 2: Get us.
Speaker 3: Where should we go next?
Speaker 2: That's from That's from Andy Sandberg.
Speaker 3: I ever met in my whole life. Yeah, so we
Speaker 3: have so much other stuff we're not going to get
Speaker 3: to in tonight's episode. Basic questions like, if these aliens exist,
Speaker 3: they're so advanced, why literally on Earth are they crashing
Speaker 3: all the time? Is this a great distraction? Is there
Speaker 3: a real legacy program? Is this posturing? Is this cover
Speaker 3: for human made secret technology? Either way you slice it,
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Speaker 3: By Roald Dahl, the children's author. I was rereading some
Speaker 3: of this stuff and it is just so freaking dark.
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