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Speaker 1: Hey pailm Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, journalist and sportscaster Carrie Champion

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Speaker 2: is here to talk about making it to the very

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Speaker 2: top of her profession and then why she decided to

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Speaker 2: step away once she got there.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, May sixteenth. I'm Danielle Robe.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Simone Boyce and this is the right side

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Speaker 3: from Hello Sunshine. Wooh, Danielle, I'm not gonna lie. I

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Speaker 3: came in hot this morning. I don't feel like I

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Speaker 3: can talk about anything else until we address this unhinged

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Speaker 3: speech that Kansas City chiefs kicker Harrison Bucker gave over

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Speaker 3: the weekend at a graduation ceremony. You know which one

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: I'm read in the cheeks. I'm so embarrassed for him.

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Speaker 3: This was a mess. So, if by some miracle of God,

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Speaker 3: you've been spared by this speech in your algorithm, we

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Speaker 3: are unfortunately going to drop this bomb on you right now.

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Speaker 3: So he gave this commencement speech at Benedictine College on Saturday,

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Speaker 3: which is a Catholic school. That's important to note, I think,

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Speaker 3: and there was a bunch of stuff that he railed

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Speaker 3: against things that he is displeased with in society. But

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Speaker 3: the one thing that is getting the most attention are

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Speaker 3: his remarks about women, about ambitious women. He says that

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Speaker 3: women are happiest as wives and mothers as opposed to

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Speaker 3: working professionals. I think, Danielle, we should probably read parts

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Speaker 3: of it so that people know exactly what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: You go for it. You read it, simone.

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Speaker 3: This is a big one. He's addressing the class of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, right, and he says, I think it

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Speaker 3: is you, the women who have had the most diabolical

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Speaker 3: lies told you. Some of you may go on to

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Speaker 3: lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture

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Speaker 3: to guess that the majority of you are most excited

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Speaker 3: about your marriage and the children you will bring into

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Speaker 3: this world. He says that his wife would say that

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Speaker 3: her life truly started when she began living her vocation

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Speaker 3: as a wife and mother. Can you imagine Danielle being

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Speaker 3: one of those female students in the crowd and thinking, Wow,

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Speaker 3: I just blew one hundred thousand dollars on my college

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Speaker 2: Well, to top it all off, he got emotional giving

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Speaker 2: the speech, and I just think men are too emotional

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Speaker 2: to give commencement speeches. Honestly, Simone, his mother is a

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Speaker 2: renowned physicist, which is the craziest part of all of this.

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Speaker 2: I'm dying to know what she thinks of his speech.

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Speaker 2: It just is so bizarre. I actually kind of giggled

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Speaker 2: because I was like, Oh, this is an snl skit,

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Speaker 2: this is a joke. He's a paid actor. I can't

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Speaker 2: believe that this is real. The year is twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: my guy.

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Speaker 3: You know, to me, the most telling element of all

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Speaker 3: this is not even the misogyny, Danielle, it's the fear.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, what do you mean.

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Speaker 3: This is a sad, scared widow man. He is very

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Speaker 3: afraid of how powerful women are becoming. Like we are

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Speaker 3: becoming very powerful. Okay, we are taking our supplements, we're investing,

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Speaker 3: we're healing, we're self regulating. We're touching grass out here,

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Speaker 3: and we.

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Speaker 1: Are touching she grass all the time. Especially on the bright.

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Speaker 3: Side, he sees this. He sees that women are stimulating

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Speaker 3: the economy like it's a hot girl hobby. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we saw that last year with Barbie and Taylor Swift

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Speaker 3: intimidated by the shifting balance of power in this world.

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Speaker 3: That's all.

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Speaker 1: This is all I can say, is amen.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of hot girl hobbies, Simone, we have a new

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Speaker 2: of Sports Illustrated and it's their famous swimsuit issue. And

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Speaker 2: I'm only going to say her age because I think

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Speaker 2: it matters. She is sixty nine years old, she's an

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Speaker 2: award winning journalist, and she is on the cover of

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Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated. What do you think about that.

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Speaker 3: I love this. I think this is so major. I

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Speaker 3: think this is so huge just for women overall, because

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Speaker 3: here is Gail King, one of the best journalists that

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Speaker 3: And that is exactly the kind of nuance that I

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Speaker 3: think that is so important for everyone to see that

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Speaker 2: I think it's super powerful and I loved seeing her

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Speaker 2: CBS Morning anchors celebrate her tony.

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Speaker 1: And Nate were like woohooing in the most respectful way.

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Speaker 2: It was really fun to see them celebrate the moment

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is definitely a new dawn for news anchors

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Speaker 3: I sent this to you over Instagram. What did you

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Speaker 1: I'm here for it.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned her age earlier purposely because I think in

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Speaker 2: our culture we desexualize women after they're no longer able

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Speaker 2: Gail is over forty five, she's a mother, she's, like

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Speaker 2: you said, a journalist, and I just I think this

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Speaker 2: speaks to the idea that beauty is not about what

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Speaker 2: has become such a powerhouse and she's bridging every single gap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when did we become this society that says, if

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Speaker 3: you are a journalist and you show up to work

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Speaker 3: wearing a suit interviewing dignitaries and politicians, that you can't

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Speaker 3: also enjoy yourself in a bathing suit on a beat.

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Speaker 3: A bathing suit is a functional piece of clothing, so

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Speaker 3: you can swim in the warm gulf of Mexico. Let's

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Speaker 3: be able to hold two truths at once. People.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep saying amen to you today.

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Speaker 2: In other exciting news, Legally Blonde is coming to a

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Speaker 2: screen near you.

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Speaker 1: What like it's hard, guys? A Legally Blonde prequel is

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Speaker 1: coming our way next year.

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Speaker 2: Courtesy of our boss, Reese Witherspoon. Courtesy of Hello Sunshine

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Speaker 2: and Amazon Prime. Simon, You're not the only one screaming.

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Speaker 2: Screams could be heard around the internet round the world.

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Speaker 2: People have been dying for more Elwoods. And this time

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Speaker 2: we're going to get Ellwoods in high school, long before

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Speaker 2: she went to Harvard. We're gonna find out how she

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Speaker 2: became everybody's favorite Gemini vegetarian.

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Speaker 3: I cannot wait to see high school el Woods. I

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Speaker 3: want to see did she go through any growing pains?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: What was that coming? Of age time for her, Like

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Speaker 3: you know, this movie Legally Blonde has always been a

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Speaker 3: growing up and being so entertained but also impacted by

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Speaker 3: Danielle is however lasting the impact of this film is,

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Speaker 3: it comes up all the time whenever we interview women

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Speaker 2: I also think this speaks to exactly what we were talking

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Speaker 2: about a few minutes ago, which is Elle Woods was

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Speaker 2: multi dimensional. There's this perseverance in her character that always,

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Speaker 2: for like lack of a better word, just inspired me.

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Speaker 1: You watch that movie and you leave.

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Speaker 2: The theater, or you leave the airplane, or you leave

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Speaker 3: I also loved seeing Reese really late into the excitement

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Speaker 3: into the excitement and enthusiasm around this project too. Do

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Speaker 3: we think Jennifer Coolidge is going to make a cameo?

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Speaker 3: She has to, She must, she must. And if you

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. We're not sure exactly when, but

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Speaker 2: After the break, journalist in sportscaster Carrie Champion is telling

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the bright Side Today, we're joined by

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Speaker 2: journalist and sportscaster Carrie Champion. Carrie has spent decades covering

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Speaker 2: the top stories in the sports world for Vice, ESPN,

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Speaker 2: and now Amazon. Her show, The Carrie Champion Show, is

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Speaker 2: a must watch for its unfiltered and straightforward look at

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Speaker 2: It features interviews with current and former athletes, celebrities, writers,

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Speaker 3: Carrie also hosts a podcast, Naked with Carrie Champion. Which

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Speaker 3: is all about getting guests to lift the veil and

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Speaker 3: get vulnerable about their lives and careers. Carrie, welcome to

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Speaker 4: You guys are so bright and happy and cheery, and

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Speaker 4: I was like, I have to wear pink. That's what

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Speaker 3: You've seen our logo clearly, y, Yes, it's right bank.

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Speaker 3: All right, Carrie, the producers are making me tell you

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Speaker 3: of this. Here we go. So the truth is, I've

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Speaker 3: been following your career for a very long time, you know,

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Speaker 3: a management and casting company editing reels, and your reels

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Speaker 3: So I literally have been following you from the very

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Speaker 4: That's so wonderful. Don't make me cry. This is the

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Speaker 4: A minute, and I have, and let me tell you,

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Speaker 4: it feels like I'm still at it. It really does sometimes.

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Speaker 4: First of all, thank you, that was very kind. And

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Speaker 4: every time I hear a story like that, I don't

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Speaker 4: You know, I wanted to get back to news. It

436
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 4: was twenty twenty, like so much was happening. The world

437
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 4: just shut down, and I didn't know that was going

438
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 4: to happen. But I just felt like I had to

439
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 4: get back to what brought me into this business, and

440
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 4: that was telling stories of people who I was very

441
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 4: interested in or I wanted to help. I remember being

442
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 4: and this is a story about why I wanted to

443
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Speaker 4: be a journalist, not only just because I saw Oprah,

444
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 4: but I was seven years old and I lived in

445
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 4: a neighborhood in West LA not far from here, and

446
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 4: we a bunch of kids in the neighborhood started cleaning

447
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 4: up the neighborhood with like brooms from our houses because

448
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 4: the neighborhood wasn't that great, and so we would just

449
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 4: take some brooms from our houses and clean up the streets.

450
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 4: And a local news reporter came and she covered the

451
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 4: story and it was what they call a kicker, and

452
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 4: we were all just standing there excited, and we're like, yeah,

453
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 4: with our brooms, right and whatever things we're doing, we're

454
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 4: clean up our neighborhood. And I remember listening to the

455
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 4: story and I thought, wow, she sure did mischaracterize what

456
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 4: we were doing. As I go, some kids who are

457
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 4: down on their luck and heart, you know, dah da

458
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 4: da da, and they're trying to build up their neighborhood.

459
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, that's not really what we were

460
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 4: trying to do. And so it was told from her

461
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 4: lens and I was like, Okay, this is it. It's

462
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 4: a brown woman. I need to get out here and

463
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 4: tell the stories. I need to represent us. I need

464
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 4: to speak for those who can't speak for themselves. My

465
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,479
Speaker 4: dream job is to tell stories that are representative of

466
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Speaker 4: my culture of the world that we live in, because

467
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 4: that is how we're going to learn to coexist.

468
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Speaker 1: Who'd you call for when you quit? Who is your call?

469
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Speaker 4: That's a good one. I talked about it a lot

470
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 4: with a lot of my friends. But at the time,

471
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Speaker 4: do you guys know Bosima Saint John? I know. Yeah,

472
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 4: So at the time I said, Bosama, I want you

473
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 4: to help me write a resignation letter. She's like what.

474
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: And I was like, I'm gonna leave. She was like,

475
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 4: I don't like what they're paying you. You're grossly underpage.

476
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 4: You're worth so much more. It's time for us to leave. Huh.

477
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 4: And I was just like, no, that's not even the reason.

478
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 4: I just want to leave because I'm not. She's like,

479
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 4: you're not. They don't you know. She just let me

480
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 4: know where I was and who I was and what

481
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 4: she saw for me, and she was like, it may

482
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 4: not be easy, it may not be like the biggest platform,

483
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,239
Speaker 4: but you have a vision and you should go and

484
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 4: you should try to figure that out and don't let

485
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 4: the world's timeline. Define your timeline. So if it takes

486
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 4: five years or ten years for you to do whatever

487
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: that next big thing is, that's your dream job, let

488
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 4: it take five or ten years. You let the world

489
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Speaker 4: figure out what time it is. You don't have to

490
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Speaker 4: figure it out, you know. And agents were like trying

491
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 4: to talk me out of it, and I'm like, it'll

492
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 4: be okay, it'll be fine, trust me. And it's been fine. Well,

493
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 4: it's not the same platform right where you're like, oh,

494
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 4: you can see me Monday through Friday. Here, the work

495
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 4: has been more valuable, lucrative, and I've been able to

496
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 4: do the things that I wanted to do. I couldn't

497
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: just up and move to New.

498
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: York mm hmmm. Or you have ownership now, which is invaluable.

499
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 4: And people don't understand that. Once and you pick and

500
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 4: choose a project you like and love and the things

501
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 4: that you want to do. And I think every person

502
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 4: who's done that, and you know who, I think about

503
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 4: a lot. I think of Aaron Andrews because when she left,

504
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: people were like, why are you leaving? And I remember

505
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 4: when she left, it was such a brew ha ha.

506
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: And I was really proud of her. I was like,

507
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 4: good for you. You go where you want it. It's

508
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 4: like a relationship. Who's staying in a relationship where they're

509
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 4: not wanted. She's my fellow gator. We both are.

510
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Speaker 3: Uh huh go gata.

511
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I think about it on the Voice. Do you

512
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: ever watch that show?

513
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

514
00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 4: I do.

515
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

516
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: You know how people pick who they're like they grew

517
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: up watching, but they actually should be picking the person

518
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: that wants them the most.

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Speaker 4: That's it. I think it's sort of a visual every

520
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 4: because life people will not appreciate you. My mother always

521
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 4: used to say, I don't know if I taught you

522
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 4: how to be humble. I definitely taught you you can,

523
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 4: you deserve and you should go out and get what

524
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 4: you want. But I haven't taught you humility. And I

525
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 4: was like, life teaches us that you don't need.

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Speaker 3: I think that's so good that your mom didn't teach

527
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: you humility because I feel like the generations that came

528
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: before me, the ancestors that I am, I'm standing on

529
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: their shoulders now, it was all humility. It was like

530
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: too much humility, So that that's healing generational trauma right there?

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Speaker 4: Correct? And I told her, I said, you did a

532
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: great job because you taught me to pull up a

533
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 4: chair and sit and say and speak. And while that

534
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 4: makes people uncomfortable, life will humble you. You don't need

535
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 4: someone to teach you humility. You will ultimately life will.

536
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: You will live life. Things will happen, you will go

537
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 4: out into the world. And you're like, oh, that humbled me,

538
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 4: So that's my whole point. I'm like, no, no, no worry,

539
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: life will do that. What you taught me was to

540
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: get back up and keep trying to believe in myself,

541
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 4: to pick and choose, to find good people to surround

542
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: myself with who believe in themselves. All the things that

543
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: we deserve, All the things that you have now you deserve.

544
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 4: You deserve.

545
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 3: Not Carrie coming on the bright side, gassing us up.

546
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 4: Yes, you need it, you deserve.

547
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Speaker 2: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right

548
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: back with Carrie Champion. And we're back with Carrie Champion. Carrie,

549
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Speaker 2: you've been covering women's sports for a long time, so

550
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: we have to talk about women's basketball this year. And

551
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark, how did it feel to see these amazing

552
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: women finally get.

553
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: Some shine college basketball? Loved it? I remember the day

554
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 4: that LSU won last year, won the championship, and I

555
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 4: don't know if you know the story, Angel Reese was

556
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 4: like taunting Caitlin but with the ring right, doing what

557
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 4: Kaitlyn normally does, but she was doing it back to her.

558
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 4: And there were all these people who just started watching

559
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 4: sports and they were weighing in and they were saying

560
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 4: these awful things about Angel Rees and Cna Goes. Can

561
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 4: you come on to talk about it? And then I

562
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 4: was like, oh, we've made it. Normally they bury sports

563
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 4: at the very end, and this is their lead story.

564
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, this is exciting. So I was

565
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 4: excited about it. I know people, Kaylen Clark to me

566
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: is the Tiger Woods of her sport, meaning Tiger Woods.

567
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: When he started to play, really changed the purse and

568
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 4: how much money his colleagues would make because he was

569
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: so incredible and people wanted to watch him. They were

570
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 4: adding tours because of him and adding tournaments because of him,

571
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: and everyone started to benefit, and people say what they want.

572
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: She brought attention to a league that has needed attention

573
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 4: and should be respected, you know what I mean. I'm

574
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 4: happy that she's here because she's opening the door and

575
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: it's not unsimilar to Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, you

576
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 4: know those two. Their battle this last two years is

577
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: not unsimilar to the NBA and when the NBA needed help.

578
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 4: And so this is a beautiful time because the business

579
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 4: of women's sports is skyrocketing and there is so much

580
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 4: money to be made. And not only is there so

581
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 4: much money to be made, there are so many stories

582
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: to be told, and there are so many talented women

583
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 4: out there that have yet to be discovered. And so

584
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Speaker 4: I'm excited about this process. It's really going to change

585
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: in real time. Everything is happening in real time.

586
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: We're living through it, which is really cool.

587
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: Who are you watching in the WNBA right now? I mean,

588
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 3: who's your team? What players are you excited about?

589
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: My team was the Sparks. I will say that I'm

590
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 4: the bias journalist that lives in La, so everything all LA.

591
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: But I'm really interested, if I'm being honest with you,

592
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: I'm really interested in the teams with the storylines and

593
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: the characters right now, which is the Las Vegas Aces

594
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 4: and obviously the Indiana favor. Las Vegas Aces have won

595
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 4: back to back. They have this phenomenal player named Asia

596
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: Wilson and Kelsey Plum and all these other great players.

597
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: And then Indiana Fever have Caitlyn Clark and Eliah Boston

598
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 4: and those two players are who's up next? You know

599
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 4: what I mean? They are up next, and Caitlyn say

600
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 4: what you want? This woman is Steph Curry of the WNBA.

601
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 4: I hate to do the male comparison, but her her

602
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: shooting is out of this world. Watching how fast she is,

603
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: how quick she can go, how she can stop on

604
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: the dime. Now, she's not the best that's ever done it,

605
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: but anybody who has the ability to shoot that way,

606
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: there's something special about that. And you just don't see.

607
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: I remember when Steph Curry hit the league and everyone's like,

608
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 4: where is this? Hey's Steph had been in the league.

609
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 4: He just he had been in the league.

610
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Speaker 3: You know, wasn't shooting threes like that?

611
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: Correct? And so now it made you think, and they

612
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: were the conversation, who's the goat? Is it Steph or

613
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: is it is it Lebron? Like That's what we're witnessing

614
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: right now, and it's exciting, folks. So we got to

615
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 4: get in, We got to tap in.

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Speaker 3: You've interviewed thousands of athletes over the course of your career.

617
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: I gotta know, who are the biggest characters that you've

618
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: spoken to and was there anyone who surprised you?

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Speaker 4: You know, these are all these are funny. I have

620
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: so many interesting stories about these gents and ladies for

621
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: the memoir. For the memoir, I'll change their names not

622
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: so much. No, Kobe Bryant was my favorite interview. He

623
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: rests in peace. And when I went to CLA, he

624
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: would come to UCLA and train at Polly Pavilion, and

625
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 4: a lot of people did. Shaquille Magic Johnson would come.

626
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: It was really a bird's eye view into some of

627
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 4: these athletes. But I was a diehard Kobe fan because

628
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 4: I'm a diehard Laker fan because my grandmother taught me

629
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 4: basketball and so that's why. So it's like either it's

630
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: a rite a passage in our family. You like the Lakers,

631
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: or you move out. When I finally got to meet Kobe,

632
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 4: he was very, very professional, and if Kobe didn't like

633
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 4: something you said about him on air, he would find

634
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 4: a way to share it with you. And when I

635
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: met him and I did the interview, he had just

636
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: retired and he would always say to his wife. This

637
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 4: is the thing about these athletes. You think they don't

638
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: know who you are when you're covering them, they're very

639
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: well aware of you are. And I remember him introducing

640
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 4: me to Vanessa and he was like, Vanessa, I want

641
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 4: you to meet Carrie. She's a big like her fan.

642
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: She always says nice things about me. I was like, God,

643
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: started laughing because it was like, well, I'm objective. He's like, Okay,

644
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 4: that's fine. It's sure you are.

645
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: But he was one of the good Yeah, yeah, yeah.

646
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 4: But he was one of my favorites because of his mentality.

647
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 4: And I know there's controversy with everyone, but how he

648
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: carried himself, how he was about his business, how he

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Speaker 4: didn't care about being popular or famous, or wearing the

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Speaker 4: latest suits or rapping the latest songs or being the

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Speaker 4: hot guy or whatever. It was just not his thing.

652
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Speaker 4: And a part of me understood the loner mentality. When

653
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Speaker 4: he passed away, it was beautiful to hear how everyone

654
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Speaker 4: said he would call them and mentor them and say

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Speaker 4: wonderful things and give advice.

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Speaker 2: I really look at you that way. Oh, I think

657
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: you give back so much. Right after this, you're going

658
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Speaker 2: to UCLA to talk when you told me that. I

659
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Speaker 2: kept thinking, I wonder what you would tell that girl

660
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Speaker 2: that was at UCLA all those years ago.

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Speaker 4: Oh what would I tell? Like? Well, first of all,

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00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 4: I would say, get to class on time, never on

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00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: time in to class. I get emotional about this because

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00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 4: so many times I could see it, but I couldn't

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Speaker 4: see the path. I didn't know how to get there.

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00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: God bless her my mom and my father. You know,

667
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 4: high school diplomas. They didn't go to college. And if

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00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: I was to tell myself anything, I would say, remember,

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Speaker 4: just to put your head down, leave your blinders on,

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Speaker 4: and do the work.

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Speaker 3: And there's no way to prepare that little girl for

672
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Speaker 3: all of the bias that women in this business run into, right,

673
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Speaker 3: and I know that you've run up against some of that.

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Speaker 3: I mean vocal criticism about your qualifications or like do

675
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: you even deserve to be here covering sports? Or even

676
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: your looks? How did you push through that at each

677
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 3: stage of your career.

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Speaker 4: I will say this, growing up, I'd never had people

679
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: oh you're so pretty. It would always be you're so smart,

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00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah smart, that was my affirmation and

681
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 4: or quick so the the I didn't care about the

682
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: comments about what I look like. That didn't bother me.

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00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 4: That was their own deal. Being qualified, being prepared, knowing

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00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 4: the sport in this particular case, knowing the story, saying

685
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: the names correctly. All of that feeds into your credibility,

686
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 4: and to me, that was the only thing that mattered.

687
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Speaker 4: I remember interviewing Floyd Mayweather and miss speaking about something

688
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 4: or didn't I didn't have a fact right, and I

689
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: just I wouldn't. I mean, for a year, I would

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Speaker 4: not forgive myself.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I'm the same way. I pick up oarurt

692
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Speaker 3: every little thing, and then I go back and watch

693
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Speaker 3: the tape. Yeah, and it was never as big a

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Speaker 3: deal as never make it out to be.

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Speaker 4: Never never, and we're giving it so much power and

696
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: no one even remembers at all but you. And I

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00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 4: think one of my producers gave me the best advice.

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Speaker 4: He was like, never get too high and never get

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Speaker 4: too low. He was like, when they say they love

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00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 4: you that they really don't, and when they say they

701
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 4: hate you, they really don't. You're not either or like.

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00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 4: He was like, don't get too high, don't get too low.

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Speaker 4: Stay in the middle. It's impossible, but stay in the middle.

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Speaker 4: But every now and again, you know, you could have

705
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 4: seven thousand great comments in one comment. You're like this bastard. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I didn't say it right. It was nineteen nineteen, not

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Speaker 4: nineteen twenty, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting. As you were saying how did

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Speaker 2: I get through it? What I felt in my body

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00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 2: was that you haven't that it chips away at your soul.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when people are mean at you, mean to you. Yeah,

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00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 4: And it's not that you get over it. You're just like,

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00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 4: it's a part of the business. So it's like it's

714
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: like this, you guys, you walk in a room and

715
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: you're and you are working, or say, if you have

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00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 4: a for I'll give an example. Every time I go

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00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: into a new environment, I have to pull out my

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00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 4: resume again. And that's the part that's frustrating. It's not

719
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Speaker 4: so much that it chips away at my soul. It's

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Speaker 4: just exhausting to continue to pull out my resume. So

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Speaker 4: if I'm working at CNN now and I am sitting

722
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Speaker 4: next to whomever who's been there for thirty years, and

723
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 4: they're looking at me like, you know, you have to

724
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Speaker 4: start all over again, no matter how long you've been

725
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: doing it, and our and for women, our our margin

726
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 4: of era is less. Like men make mistakes all the time.

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00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 4: I used to sit next to you. You'd say names

728
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: wrong every day. Let me say a name wrong. It's

729
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 4: the end of the world, you know. But the reality

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00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 4: is that our room to make mistakes is like, it's

731
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Speaker 4: so slim. It's so slim, and so we're held to

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Speaker 4: a different standard and so it's exhausting.

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Speaker 3: That code switch is so real.

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Speaker 4: That girl, it's like, you're like, okay. I hope that

735
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 4: it changes eventually. I would love to get on here

736
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Speaker 4: and tell you guys that here's the bright side of it.

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00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 4: The bright side for me, if we were talking about

738
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 4: the the right side for me is that I have

739
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: learned to respond better and that it doesn't sit in

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Speaker 4: my spirit and and I don't take it personal.

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Speaker 2: I also heard that you like affirmations.

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00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: Yes, I love affirmations.

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Speaker 1: Can you give us some words today?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: You know. I think you ladies seem to be pretty centered.

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Speaker 4: I don't know where you are in your lives, are

747
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: professionally or personally, but I think the one affirmation I

748
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: said this earlier, I want you all to really embrace

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00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 4: that you you deserve the pay, You deserve to be

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00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: comfortable with compliments. You deserve to be sitting at the table,

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00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: owning the table. And I tell my friends that all

752
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 4: the time, you deserve a good man, You deserve a

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00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: good partner. You do because you work hard. You wouldn't

754
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: be in this position. You wouldn't show up every day,

755
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 4: you wouldn't try to do the thing. So you deserve

756
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 4: as one of my favorite affirmations. And then also one

757
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: of the affirmations that I have on my refrigerator right now,

758
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: I got out of this relationship and I really love

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00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: this guy, like I thought that we were going to

760
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 4: get married, and I've spen the rest of our lives

761
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 4: together and he was so wonderful in so many ways,

762
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 4: but he didn't like himself and I and when you

763
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: don't like yourself, it's hard for you to really be

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Speaker 4: happy and like other people. So in my inner circle,

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00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 4: one of the affirmations that I say, I only surround

766
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: myself with people who like and or love themselves because

767
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 4: that way they can be that way with you. And then,

768
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: last but not least, be okay with change, Like I

769
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 4: change all the time. I'm not just one thing, and

770
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: so I like to change, you know, move to New

771
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: York as a change.

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Speaker 3: You're giving me the I Carrie, I have one final

773
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: question for you. You mentioned that you love change. Yeah,

774
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm the same way. What era are you in right now?

775
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: Oh, such a good question, Simon. The era of my

776
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 4: life professionally and personally is only doing what I want

777
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 4: to do. And what I mean by that is now

778
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it like I'm making decisions for the

779
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: rest of my life. I'm not gonna waste my time

780
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: doing this anymore. I think for so long I spent

781
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 4: time trying to please others or be what I'm supposed

782
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: to be for others, or what people think I am,

783
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 4: and not wanting people to see any of my skeletons

784
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 4: if you will. But I'm like, oh no, that's fine.

785
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: I'm fine, I'm great. I deserve I am who I am.

786
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 4: If you get it, grit, get on board. If you

787
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 4: don't get it, that's fine too. There's a freedom that

788
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: comes with I will be okay, I got this, And

789
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 4: there's a freedom that comes with that, a real, true freedom.

790
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 4: And so I'm aspiring to the freedom of just being

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00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: my full self. But right now I'm doing what I want,

792
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 4: and I'm not necessarily my full self always, but I

793
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 4: am doing what I want.

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Speaker 1: You're in your I deserve era, you deserve.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you deserve it all. Carrie.

796
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Speaker 4: Just good luck and you deserve.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so sweet.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome, Carrie to you. Mpia is a broadcast journalist,

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Speaker 3: host and storyteller. Listen to our podcast Naked with Carrie

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Speaker 3: Champion wherever you get your podcasts. That's it for today's show. Tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: we have multi hyphen it Jamila Jamil here. She's going

802
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Speaker 3: to tell us all about her activism, what it looks

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Speaker 3: like to be a feminist in progress, and her passion

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Speaker 3: for speaking up against injustice.

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Speaker 2: Listen and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: I'm Simone Voice. You can find me at simone Voice

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Speaker 3: on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 1: That's ro Ba.

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Speaker 3: Y see you tomorrow, folks,