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Speaker 2: Was everybody it has moved the sticks. I'm Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 2: and I'm a kid with my man Lanced stepping in

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Speaker 2: for DJ. We're gonna talk about all things combine. Lance.

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Speaker 2: I know you counted the King of the combine. What's

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Speaker 3: I'm not King of the combine. That designation goes back

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Speaker 2: So look, it's so great and it kind of jumps

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Speaker 2: It should be fun because we got all our guys.

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Speaker 2: All that guys are moving on up. Had Vanders assistant

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Speaker 3: That's how it works. Once they get up to a

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Speaker 2: Man, it's a it's a it is a wrapping. So

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Speaker 3: And say hold on, man, let me. I think you

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Speaker 3: you've got of course, the Patriot Way is not draw

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Speaker 3: one of the most interesting picks to me in this

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Speaker 2: And so let me hear your take. How do you

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Speaker 3: Right now? I've got it Caleb a little bit ahead

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Speaker 3: When I watched Jayden daniels tape, he had better tape

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Speaker 3: I think if he were built a little different, not

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Speaker 3: Name me the run pass guy. Name me the dual

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Speaker 3: Ooh, where you go matters? Though, Bucky, I mean where

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Speaker 3: you go where you go matters, And I think if

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Speaker 3: I mean, as it's built now. I think Paul's got

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Speaker 3: I think that where you go certainly mattered for Bryce

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Speaker 2: It is always I mean, or you're you're James Harden type.

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Speaker 2: I am the system.

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Speaker 1: System exactly exactly. Hey, I want to ask you, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennix is going to be a twenty five year

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Speaker 3: These guys played a lot of football, Daniels and Knicks.

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Speaker 3: They kind of, I don't want to say they. Bo

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Speaker 3: Nicks reinvented himself in Oregon Jade and Daniels just extended

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the biggest one that needs the pieces around

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Speaker 3: Well, because the traits are great, the arm talent is

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Speaker 2: I like that a little, just a natural breaking points,

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Speaker 3: Oo man, for the whole week, there's actually speaking of

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Speaker 3: He has that edge. I'm not missing on another Max Crosby.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I got a name for you. Reminds me

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Speaker 2: listening to you remind me of Ziggy Onsen. You came

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Speaker 3: Really want to see Chop Robinson too, Like I think,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, my stealing yours Chop is am I watching

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Speaker 2: I wonder man, because like he's on Bruce fl Min's

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Speaker 3: Combine ends at any position?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, there's a guy, let me pull him up.

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Speaker 3: He is. I got done watching him and from Florida

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Speaker 3: This guy was an absolute blanket. Like elite neighbors didn't

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Speaker 3: because because man, it's guys with body control that are

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Speaker 3: tilt you know, when they can't slow themselves down, that

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Speaker 3: momentum that a top heavy stuff. He doesn't have that.

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Speaker 3: Everything's built low, so he's able to shift and bend

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Speaker 3: very quickly from the lower half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is funny the name that I'm gonna give

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Speaker 2: you in terms of sleeping on. And maybe I'm partial

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Speaker 2: because his dad was in Carolina when I was there.

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Speaker 2: CHRISTI incin Chris jan incing athleticism is gonna make people

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Speaker 2: and they're gonna look at the production be like, why

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Speaker 2: doesn't he have more stuff? But I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 2: right now, if he has any of the stuff that

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Speaker 2: his dad had, because remember his dad was the second

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Speaker 2: round pick coming out of Maryland. There were people that

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Speaker 2: thought he was a bit of an enigma, couldn't figure

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Speaker 2: it out. He plays, he jumps in that line, and

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Speaker 2: part of the reason that team went to the Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl because he dominated on the inside. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: that Junior is the same, but Junior's traits, You're just

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Speaker 2: not gonna find guys that are his sides that can

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Speaker 2: move like him and do all that other stuff. And

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Speaker 2: depending on we talked about scouting the coaches knowing what

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Speaker 2: you have. Man, if you have a good d line

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Speaker 2: coach that knows how to kind of get them get

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Speaker 2: him going, he has all the things that you look for.

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Speaker 2: So I think people are sleeping on him. And then

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Speaker 2: I would say this the linebacker. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: well he's gonna test, but there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: people that will buzz about him. But man, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: say this, I think Peyton Wilson may end up being

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Speaker 2: the best linebacker that comes out of this group in

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Speaker 2: terms of inside linebacker. When you look at the instincts,

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Speaker 2: the intangible, the toughness effort that he plays with. To me,

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Speaker 2: he's a throwback linebacker. Injuries are going to be a

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Speaker 2: part of his evaluation because he've been beat up a

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Speaker 2: little bit of NC State. But this dude is a

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Speaker 2: real dude, man, he he is a real one from sideline,

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Speaker 2: the sideline controlling the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little worried about you know. I've had

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Speaker 3: some some people share the fact that they're they're a

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Speaker 3: little worried about how the medicals are going to come

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Speaker 3: out on him, which I think is an impact of.

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Speaker 2: Four.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's a six four and forty pound linebacker

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Speaker 3: now and he can run. That's you don't find a

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Speaker 3: lot of those dudes.

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Speaker 2: Lv leiden manas tight, like when you think about like

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Speaker 2: death size dead lands, like being able to kind of

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Speaker 2: punish folks or whatever. Last one, give me a surprise name.

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Speaker 2: So on Thursday, the combat kicks off Thursday, Fibuary twenty

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Speaker 2: nine with d line and Linebackers, three pm Eastern on

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Speaker 2: NFL Network in NFL Plus. So for everyone tuning into

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Speaker 2: that that I just read, Yeah, you've me one name.

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Speaker 2: You'll be one name that we need to pay attention to.

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Speaker 3: I would say Michael Hall from Ohio State. This guy

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Speaker 3: is going to be I have to believe watching him

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Speaker 3: on tape, his quickness numbers are going to be off

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Speaker 3: the charts. Like if he tests, he's going to be explosive.

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Speaker 3: He's going to have a high vert, a good broad

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Speaker 3: he's going to have short area stuff, and my guess

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Speaker 3: is he's going to run somewhere in the four eight.

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Speaker 3: It's like, this guy is a little undersized, but he's

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Speaker 3: incredibly disruptive. You got to have a plan for him

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Speaker 3: because he is a little smaller, but as a sub

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Speaker 3: packaged rusher, frankly is just too much for guards to handle.

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Speaker 3: So I think he's going to end up really testing exceptionally. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's a guy, you know. It's a position that I

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Speaker 3: think Tovandre Sweat's going to come in really heavy. That's

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Speaker 3: what the buzz is. He could fall in this draft.

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Speaker 3: Somebody else is going to rise up. I think Hall

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Speaker 3: may be one of those guys that tests well and

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Speaker 3: rises up in the in the draft process.

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Speaker 2: Well doog man, I'm excited. You and I gonna be

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Speaker 2: there on the call. We're gonna be on Go Mine

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Speaker 2: today on all the digital platforms. So make sure you too,

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Speaker 2: Then make sure you cant Lance and myself afterwards. What Friday, Saturday, Sunday,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be doing pause, kind of reviewing what took

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Speaker 2: place the previous day. So make sure you keep it

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Speaker 2: locked to move the sticks. Should be fun. Last, look

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Speaker 2: forward to seeing you at the combine. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Let's get

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Speaker 2: Player, guys,