WEBVTT - Iran At an Inflection Point 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:02.200 All right, news round up, Information overload hour. Here's a 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:04.360 toll free telephone number you want to be a part 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 of the program at eight hundred ninety four one Sean 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:08.720 if you want to join us. I love when the 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.480 President you know, walked out of Meet the Press this weekend. 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.560 It was appropriate, it was time, It's it. And this 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.040 is the most pertinent thing I played earlier in the 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.000 program is when the President said, if you guys had 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.840 any influence, I would not have won. And you could 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.919 add Hollywood to the mix and all the leftist voices 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.120 because they've done everything possible the deep state, add them 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.760 to the mix to destroy any shot, any hope, any 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.040 prayer that Donald Trump ever would have won this last election. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.920 And if they had influence, they probably would have been successful. 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.959 Now I know that that I'm hearing from people. There 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.280 is a level of frustration. They don't like the fact 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.960 that the iranium war has gone on as long as 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:52.440 it has. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:53.640 I hear your complaint. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:53.840 This. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:56.800 I am telling you this will not be a forever 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:04.560 war my view. And the President you know, is cautiously optimistic. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.399 That he might be able to get a deal. Here's 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.120 what he said on Meet the Press. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.160 How close are you to making a deal? Are we 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:12.760 talking about days, weeks, months? 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.640 Mister President, think we're very close. We have a couple 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.039 of points. They don't even seem like big points. They've 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.880 conceded the fact that they will not have nuclear weapons. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.520 We had any clause in there that we will not 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.280 develop nuclear weapons, and everybody was very happy with it 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.880 except me, and I said, well, what happens if they 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.160 not developed, but they go out and purchase, they acquire. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.160 I want to put the word if they buy or 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.679 purchase or acquire, you know, got to have that in 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.959 there too, because that's not developing, so they don't have 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.320 the right to develop or purchase, acquire or buy. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.920 Have they pushed back against that? Is that one of the. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:51.840 Sticking a little bit? 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:53.000 And then they didn't. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.120 We're waiting, We're watching, and hopefully this will come to 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.560 an end sooner than later. James Robin Robinson is back 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.040 with those four. We're a special assistant to Defense Secretary 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.960 of Rumsfeld and the Institute of Oral Politics. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:06.280 Dean. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.240 Look, there is a lot of news on this front. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.320 Some of it is fake news, and I know because 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.200 I have better sources than most of the people that 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:18.680 open their big fat mouths, and one was that the 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.440 President told Israel not to hit back. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:22.799 That's not what was said. 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.480 In fact, after they were attacked, and Israel did have 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.560 a strike on Sunday that very little people in the 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.720 news media seem to pay attention to or want to 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:36.200 pay attention to. And now, according to reports, the talks 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.840 are back on track and Iran and Israel stopped attacking 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.880 each other after the President told both sides, hey, can 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.640 we knock it off and see if we can finish this? 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.239 And that part he said, but he didn't tell Israel 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.280 not to defend itself anyway. James Robbins, what do you 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:56.000 think about the president's comments? And I know he's coming 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.799 under fire for going the extra mile for peace. I'm 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.040 not willing to go there with riticism because I think 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.520 there might be a deal. For this reason is their 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:12.160 economy is bleeding out. Literally, they are getting no money 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.480 from their oil. There's reports now that they're about to 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.359 cap if they haven't already capped, and they're running into 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.639 problem with their wells and they'll never get it back 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:26.120 to the former capacity. We know that unemployment now is 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.320 well over at fifty percent of their workforce. Inflation now 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.800 headed to forty percent. The value of their currency is 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:37.040 near zero, so financially they are on the brink and 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.240 it's either make a deal or they'll never get out 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:39.480 of it. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.680 Yeah, Sean, that's absolutely right. I think it's really getting 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.960 to an inflection point with Iran on their economy for 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.240 all the reasons that you mentioned. I mean, this is 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.120 the effect of the blockade, this is our sure of 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.440 hor moves and how much it's hurting Iran. Plus the 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.320 Treasury Secretary mentioned recently that we've been going after the 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.160 hidden crypt accounts of some of their top leaders and 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.640 just taking them, just taking the wallets, seizing millions of 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.400 dollars from them, and you know, the leadership, if you 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.000 really want to get their attention, go after they're hidden 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.640 private wealth. I think that that is also making a difference. Also, 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.360 we've heard reports of demonstrations breaking out in various towns 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:22.600 and provinces around the country anti regime demonstrations, So I 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.280 think the Iranians are getting a little worried about this. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.520 If there is one thing I would have liked to 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.000 have seen more of is a greater effort attempt to 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.680 arm the Iranian people. I know there have been attempts. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.760 I don't know how successful they've been. But if you're 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.039 telling me your sources inside of Iran are telling you 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.479 that the people are now rising up again, are you 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.960 also hearing that they have weaponry to fight back. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.440 I haven't heard about any recent reports of weapons being used. 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:57.680 It's more like just demonstrations and rooftop demonstration shouting, which 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.920 is a tradition in that country, saying you know that's 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.280 dictator and so forth. It could be that there are 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.640 weapons being smugg within. We don't know. Maybe it would 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.040 come to that, but I think between the economic problems 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:15.039 and this restlessness amongst the people, and also Israel doing 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.280 one of their strikes was on card Island, which I 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.600 think was sending a message to Iran that hey, if 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.560 you continue to mess with us, We're is going to 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.840 take out all your oil infrastructure and then you're going 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:26.400 to have nothing. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.000 You know what's amazing about that? 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.559 How easy that strike would be, and that would wipe 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.960 out ninety percent of their economy. Now some would argue, well, 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.760 the President said, I don't know how people got to 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.960 this interpretation of the Trump doctrine that he would never 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.240 use military mind, when you look at his first term. 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:46.960 What did we see? 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.719 He took out the entire Isis Caliphate. That is not isolationism. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.280 He took out Solamani, the world's worst terrorist, from Iran 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.000 on a tarmac. He took out Bagdaddy all his associates, 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.080 dropped the mother of all bombs on Afghanistan. And yes, 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.280 he said, no forever wars. I don't see midnight Hammer, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.520 epic fury as a forever war. I see it as 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:15.200 as the President defined this weekend. He goes, well, not 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.520 saying no forever wars doesn't mean that I'm not going 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.839 to take preemptive strikes when it's in our national security interest, 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.480 America's first interest. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:24.560 He said those words. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:25.719 Yeah. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.599 Absolutely, one hundred and one days is not forever. It's 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.960 not twenty years in Afghanistan on a nation building project. 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.920 He has very specific aims and he is using all 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.600 of the instruments of national power to get it, whether 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.560 it's military, whether it's whether it's lamacy, and they all 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.200 work together. You can't just use one and not use 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.000 the others. So we have the pressure from the blockade, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.880 we have our diplomats doing their thing. We have the 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.360 economic part of this piece. And then there's always the 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.200 threat of the renewed use of force. So that's how 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:01.680 Trump does things. It's extremely sophisticated and it may take 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.560 time to do things that way, but I think it's 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:04.880 starting to tell on the regime. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.600 Well, when when Scott Besson first started talking about and 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.480 the President started talking about the blockade, that seemed brilliant 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:18.960 to me. And basically, they are choking off their entire economy. 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.840 It is an energy, oil based economy, and now there 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.200 are reports that the IRGC can't get paid. If the 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.760 IRGC doesn't start getting paid, I would imagine their loyalty 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.080 or their former loyalties to the old regime go away 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:33.680 pretty quickly. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:34.240 Am I wrong? 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.520 Oh, you're absolutely right, and they'll understand that we're the 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.800 ones who actually control the Horror moves straight, you know, 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.000 iron saying oh they've closed it. Okay, fine, we closed it. 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.679 We closed it to everything that they need. They can't 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.760 import things, they can't export things, So how are they 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.360 going to survive? You know, it's a temporary inconvenience for 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.360 us with higher oil prices, and you know, whatever other 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:58.240 disruptions are. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:07:59.720 By the way, they're not even that bad. They've been 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.280 coming down quite consistently. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.720 I know people keep but now. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.520 Listen when I say that, I don't want people to 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.520 think that I'm being callous and cold and insensitive to 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:09.480 people that are struggling. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:09.800 I'm not. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:15.000 However, I do want to point out that the predictions 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.400 of that oil would go up two hundred and fifty 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.200 percent have never come true. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.600 Right, Iran said they were going to raise oil to 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.480 two hundred dollars a barrel. Well, it's under one hundred 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.640 right now, and it doesn't look like it's going to. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.760 It's been at like ninety all day exactly. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.120 Yeah, you probably track it like I do. And the 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.160 Iranians they did have an impact, but it wasn't the 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.120 impact they wanted. But we are having the impact on 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:43.199 them that we wanted, and it's just asymmetric. They cannot 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.960 sustain their economy much longer. And once the ERGC can't 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.840 get paid, once they're private accounts Danish, once the people 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.480 are rising up in the streets, we may not need 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:53.920 a deal. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:59.760 Unfortunately, Donald Trump, assuming that we are able to win 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:03.360 this and get out of this successfully, and we had 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.640 a potential of a nuclear armed Duran, we learned in 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.319 this conflict we didn't know this before Midnight Hammer epicury, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.920 that their ballistic missile range was far greater than we knew, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.079 and they could literally send out ballistic missiles that could 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.080 hit Europe and they were getting and they're expanding their 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.800 range every day and the rest of the world without 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:26.960 any moral clarity. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:28.160 Is stunning to me. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.079 Your thoughts well true, you would think that the Europeans 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.120 would be a little more upset with this and the 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.680 fact that the Iranians, I mean, they just basically lied 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.600 about all this stuff for years, which also goes to 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.440 show that even if we have a deal with them, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.400 we can't trust that deal. We'd have to have some 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.520 pretty robust verification and enforcement. But Iran will always be 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.520 a threat to us in the current regime. I mean, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.480 if they're going to keep conchanting death to America, can't. 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.640 We say current regime? Aren't we really talking about the 0:09:58.720 --> 0:09:59.520 fourth tier now? 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:05.280 Well? Yeah, but their ideology is the same, the Islamism 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.920 is still the same, and their revolutionary attempt to reshape 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.160 the region is still the same, and they're going to 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.079 keep doing that. I mean, one argument against lifting sanctions 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.280 or unfreezing money is they're just going to pump that 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.240 back to their terrace, says ball and Hamas. That's another 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.600 thing that has to be taken care of. But if 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.600 the revolutionary regime goes away and they have a democracy 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.120 or something under someone like the crown Prince, something like that, 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.280 then we won't have to worry about it so much. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.199 I mean, imagine like it used to be, with Iran 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.160 being our ally and an ally of Israel like they 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:40.719 used to be. I mean, that would be a whole 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:41.560 different Middle. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.400 East, it really would. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.160 How do you see this playing out and how quickly 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:47.240 do you see it playing out? 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.520 Well? I think that the Iranians are kind of at 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:55.120 an inflection point. I think this latest round of missiles 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.960 kind of scared them a little bit because they understood 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.559 that Israel could take independent action. They understood the vulnerability 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:06.000 of their oil supply. They are suffering all the economic 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.160 things we already talked about. I think they're ready to deal, 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.600 but again, we got to make sure it's the right deal, 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.040 that we're not giving them a bunch of cash in advance, 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.920 that they can then re energize their terror network, and 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:18.240 that we get what we want out. 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.280 But the President addressed that The President in that interview 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.120 addressed that he said, they don't get a penny until 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:23.720 they do things. 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.319 Absolutely, that is the way to do it, and really 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.560 hold them responsible, really verify that they're doing exactly what 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.040 we want and that they're not reconstituting their missiles or 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.800 their nuclear program. They're not just sending money to ter us. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.280 I mean, they're going to start behaving or we have 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.000 to retain the option to smack them down again. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.760 And that option is always on the table, isn't it. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.040 It is, But the Iranians what they're asking for is 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.199 they want to guarantee that we will never do that again. 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.360 But of course we can't give that guarantee because we 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.240 don't know what they're going to do well. 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.920 I mean, they never really made an agreement that they've kepped, 0:11:57.960 --> 0:11:59.760 have they, So we really can't trust. 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:04.400 Them, absolutely not. If we can have verification and enforcement, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.400 but heavy on the enforcement. We have to reserve the 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.720 right to do what we need to do if they're 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.000 not going to be forthcoming with what they have to do. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.079 Oh, I agree. We really appreciate you being with us. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:21.240 James Robbins, former Special Assistant Defense Secretary to Defense Secretary 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:21.800 Don rom So. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:23.240 I appreciate you being with us. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:24.920 Oh, thanks, Sean, my pleasure. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.520 You know, I always say this one way or the other. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:33.080 Every single person has a boss. I'm Linda's boss. What 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:34.360 do you call me boss? 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:34.600 Right? 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:35.439 Call you the talent? 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.160 No, you often call me boss. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.760 Your nickname is boss, and you're listed in my phone 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:40.240 is boss. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.240 Yes, okay, So but I am the boss. Now, Linda 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.600 is in charge of the crew. I think everybody gets 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.160 along in there, which is great. We have a very 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.400 good team. I'm very proud of everybody that works on 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.360 the show. And at the end of the day, unless 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.160 you are your own boss, own your own company and 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.199 make your own decisions, and nobody gets any say. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.480 Most people have to respond to our boss. Period. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.760 Now I'm lucky and fortunate in my broadcast career is 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.120 I've had great partners. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.800 I don't even look at it as a. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:16.520 Boss relationship with an employee because I never really designed 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.920 it that way. The people that I'm partners with can 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.880 call me any time, any hour of any day, and 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.800 I'm like, they're important to me, and whatever they're interested 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.679 in becomes important to me, just the way it is. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:35.520 So CBS sold to Paramount, and you know, so Scott Pelley, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.480 they have Barry Weiss has been running it. I don't 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.760 really know Barry Weiss that well, don't really know a 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:41.680 lot about Barry Weis. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.000 Doesn't matter to me about Barry Weis. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.720 I don't care about CBS, and I don't care if 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:47.320 they get time Waterer, and I don't care if they 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.000 run CNN. I don't think you can fix CNN, just 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.360 like I don't think you can fix CBS either, because 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.920 of institutionalized bias. Now there's been a lot of chatter 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:58.960 in the media about. 0:13:58.600 --> 0:13:59.079 All of this. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.679 Anyways, So Scott Pelley does an interview with some New 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:03.680 York Times reporter. 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:04.640 I watched the whole thing. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.840 I don't know why I was interested, and he gets 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.320 very emotional, choking up describing the meeting. Now, this is 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.040 the first time Barry Weiss picked a new executive producer 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.240 of sixty Minutes, and she had a previous meeting, had 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.120 asked why does the country feel. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.000 This show is biased? And they do. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.040 So Pelly gets choked up describing the meeting. And in 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:34.760 this meeting, he just decimates and says that Barry Weiss 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:40.040 ostensibly wants to wipe out and destroy sixty Minutes. Okay, 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.280 I don't think that's true at all, and then goes 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.680 after this guy. It's his first day on the job. 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.320 He's trying to introduce himself to the staff, and without 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.600 any bit of grace at all, says, you will never 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.320 be welcome here. Now, ask yourself, if you do that 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.240 to your boss, what do you think is gonna happen? 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:58.240 Anyway? 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:02.440 Here's Pelly describing the meeting that led to him being fired, 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.640 which he should have easily predicted, considering he thinks he's 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:06.280 so smart. 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.960 Listen, when I saw Nick Bilton's email and then saw 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:17.520 him reading to my broken hearted people off his phone, 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.760 I felt that somebody had to stand up for the broadcast, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.640 not just the broadcast, but the people. There are people 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.360 in that room who go to war zones when they 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:35.880 are pregnant. Newsrooms are sort of like the military or 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:40.840 the police, or the beautiful people at the FD and 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:45.880 Y down the street. It is a life threatening job 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:54.280 in many instances, and very strong bonds, very emotional bonds, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:16:00.240 are found are developed in that kind of setting. To 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:06.680 have people running CBS News who don't know that, have 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:11.680 never felt that, and don't understand it. 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.280 Now, if you want to pay, how do you not 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.160 know the risk of stupidity and doing that it's crazy. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.520 Then Scott Pelly's asked if he didn't think his comments 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.960 would have repercussions that could lead to the firing, says, 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.600 in the old days, you can have those conversations. Well, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.360 in light of the fact that these are nowhere near 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.440 the old days, want to ask the wonder how smart 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:36.440 this guy really is. 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:41.200 But Scott, in a meeting, you accused Bary Wise, the 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.840 head of the network, of wanting to murder the show, 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.640 of coming into sixty minutes with the agenda to dismantle 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.120 the institution, and you did not think that that was 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.960 going to have repercussions that could lead to your firing. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.080 We used to be. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:03.600 Able to have conversations like that CBS News. The difference 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:08.119 today is that the people running CBS News will not 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:09.560 be questioned. 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:10.480 I don't know. 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.800 I mean, Linda, what do you think would happen if 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:19.520 you came in and asked me or you said to 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.000 me that I'm destroying the show and that you said 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.639 I'll never be welcome as the host of my own show. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:26.760 What happens to that? 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:26.840 That? 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.600 It's bizarre, I mean, it's honestly just there's a lot 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.679 going on here. That's weird. He's such a jerk. I 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.440 have to assume that it's probably like this new guy 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.520 came in and he was probably really nasty. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.720 No the new guy, But he doesn't even claim the 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.440 guy was nasty. He got upset that the guy started 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.760 reading a note. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.840 No, no, no, I'm saying that Scott Pelly was nasty, 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.159 not the new guy. I think the new guy probably 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:54.920 came in and was like, hey, let's try this, let's 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.320 try that, let's get readings up, let's try to be 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.600 more even handed instead of totally in the tank for 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.359 the left. You know, I'm sure there was some of 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:02.520 that going on all. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.440 Right, So then everybody was speculating Leslie Stall would leave 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.760 and Bill Whittaker would leave. And I don't even know 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.879 who this John Berdeheim is. Do you know who that 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:11.879 guy is? I don't really know. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.160 I do not watch. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.640 I know Steve Croft, I knew the old morally safe, 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.720 Bill Bradley, Mike Wallace, Harry Reisner. 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.119 I mean, they really were. 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:24.840 They were great at what they did, but I do 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:28.119 still think they had some bias anyway, So there was 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.120 a lot of speculation that all these other correspondents would quit. 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:31.720 They didn't. 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:37.600 Leslie Stall, Bill Wedeker the other guy are remaining. Now 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.880 I could give you my theory on it. I think 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.280 they're staying because where are they going next? And then 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:47.200 Scott Pelly bursting into tears while complaining about the firing, 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:52.000 which is predictable as anything I can ever think of it. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.720 It really shocked me his reaction to it. Well, I'm 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.399 not sure what he was expecting out of this. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:57.800 Yeah, I don't either. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.520 I mean, do you think it would take a lot 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.440 for me to fire anybody on our crew? 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:03.760 What do I always say? 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:04.920 You fire yourself? 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:05.239 All right? 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.080 You watched me over the years. Do I fire people? 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:08.439 No? 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.280 You make me do it. That's not true at all. 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.320 I don't make Everyone knows that's such fake news, now 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:15.800 that we're talking about fake news again. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.960 No, you don't like to have those types of things. 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.240 But if there is, if there is drama, you come 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:22.840 to me, and then I come to the team and 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.680 I say, listen, you can't do this is no good. 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.840 It's not a thing. But there have been moments where 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.200 people have done things. You know, previous people that were 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:35.440 employed here that were so egregious that you just had 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.120 they had gotta go it just people. 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.800 In your life, and whether they're whether you work with them, 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.159 or whether you're together with them. I would argue, in 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.280 almost every case, fire themselves. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:49.200