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Speaker 2: Military analyst Mike Lions online, Mike, we're really putting you

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Speaker 4: was at combat thinking that, you know, you never see

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Speaker 4: Americans surrender and things like that. So we have this

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Speaker 4: intangible that's there. But then that greatest strength is a weakness.

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Speaker 4: If we still don't have the technology and don't have

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Speaker 4: to no matter no matter how great that intangible is,

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Speaker 4: it's not going to overcome that. So we still have

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Speaker 4: to have military might, we have to have material might,

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Speaker 4: and be able to put our money where our mouth is.

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Speaker 1: I think those are the two biggest things.

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Speaker 2: Right, And that's so perfect. I was just going to

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Speaker 2: interject it. In reading about Germany and the elections and

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Speaker 2: that sort of thing, a German analyst was saying, what

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Speaker 2: really weakens us and strengthens the Americans is that we

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Speaker 2: have a culture of we better be careful, we'd better

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Speaker 2: not hear the things that can be wrong, that could

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Speaker 2: go wrong, Rather whereas the Americans have a spirit of

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Speaker 2: let's try it and see what happens, learn from it

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Speaker 2: and go from there. And yeah, If we ever lose that,

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Speaker 2: including technologically as you're saying, then you know we're screwed.

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Speaker 2: Military analyst Mike Clients Mike, great to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: Extra large