WEBVTT - Tackling Imposter Syndrome 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.080 LinkedIn News. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:07.920 I feel like I put a lot of pressure on 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:09.880 myself and that's what caused a lot of the imposter 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.560 syndrome because I was like, yeah, other people are telling 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:14.640 me that, like you can do it and it's going 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:16.680 to be great, But I was like, I don't know 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:18.760 that I'm going to be able to prove them right. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.759 Yeah, you wanted them to see you in the way 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.239 that you wanted to show up. That's not your problem. Like, 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:30.400 you are qualified, you are unique, you know what you're doing. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.720 You don't live to fulfill other people's expectations of you. 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.520 From LinkedIn News and i Heeart Podcasts, this is Let's 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.360 Talk Offline, a show about what it takes to thrive 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:46.040 in the early years of your career without sacrificing your values, sanity, 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:46.760 or sleep. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:51.440 I'm Giana Prudenti and I'm Jamaie Jackson Gadson. Let me 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.200 ask you, have you ever been at work in thought? Wow? 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.800 These people are so much smarter and more talented than me. 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.440 I mean, what am I doing here? Do I belong? 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:03.560 Well? 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.399 First of all, let me tell you you do belong. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.400 But it's also totally okay to feel like you don't. 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:11.360 In poster syndrome. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:12.080 Ugh. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.240 It's something everybody experiences. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.679 Yes, especially when you're early in your career. You're probably 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.120 going into your first job, which is like this cloud 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.600 of self doubt hovering over you. Ugh. But I'm gonna 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.640 let you in on a little secret. Your manager, your coworkers, 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.760 your company's executives have probably experienced imposter syndrome. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.040 Like literally everybody has. It's so common. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.120 And today we're going to talk about how to overcome 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.080 those feelings of self doubt and tackle that pesky imposter syndrome. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:55.120 Okay, So before we jump into today's episode, big announcement, guys, 0:01:55.840 --> 0:02:01.560 this is the last episode of this season. Farewell to 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:02.120 use the. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.000 Cuba waterworks. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.800 We've absolutely loved hanging out with all of you this 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.760 season and building this beautiful community of work besties. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:13.079 Oh you guys are beautiful. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.400 We really hope these conversations have been helpful for you, guys, 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.720 wherever you are in your career journey. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.720 I feel like I'm like screaming, crying, throwing up. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.320 I feel emotional right now. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:23.440 You know. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.040 I feel like whether you're early in your career, making 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.440 a pivot, you know, starting your first job, whatever it 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.600 might be, I think what's been so special about this 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.639 show is that, yes, it's geared toward younger professionals like myself, 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.080 but we really covered a lot of topics that everyone 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.040 can relate to, and we've talked about things that most 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.480 people face at some point in their careers. So we 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.560 hope everyone enjoyed hearing these conversations as much as we 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:48.760 did recording them. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.480 Yeah, we're all in this together. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:51.800 We're all in this. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.120 You see, I'm in the sing song move today. I 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:54.720 like it. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:57.760 So look, we wanted to end the season off of 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.040 a bang Chitty chitty bang bang. All right, Today we're 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:06.560 going to talk about imposter syndrome, because the truth is 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:11.440 everyone experiences it, and when you're particularly early in your career, 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.800 you might be feeling a little bit more than usual. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.480 So Gianna tell us all about imposter syndrome. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:23.079 My good friend impostor's syndrome. So, imposter syndrome, it's that 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:27.280 feeling that you're incompetent or not good enough despite the 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.200 evidence that you are, and you feel undeserving of whatever 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.400 you achieved or opportunities that are coming your way, and 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.040 somehow you're like, how did I fool everyone? Like I 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:41.480 just pulled off this master plan and everyone thinks I'm 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.800 qualified for this, but it's the greatest heist. Yeah, exactly. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.080 So if you're like I think I experience imposter syndrome 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:51.640 or I know I do, but I don't know to 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:53.920 what degree, there's actually a test that you can take. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.680 So the person who introduced the idea of imposter syndrome, 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.760 a psychologist, doctor Pauline Klans, developed this test called the 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:06.600 Clan's Impost Phenomenon Scale, to help assess your poster syndrome. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.400 We're gonna include a link in the show description so 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.520 you could check it out. It has twenty statements and 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.400 you respond on a scale of one to five, one 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.320 being not at all true and five being very true. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.680 So I'm gonna read a few of those statements. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:19.039 I'm from the test. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:20.960 We don't have to take the test live because it 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.800 might be said, okay. One, I have often succeeded on 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.480 a test or task even though I was afraid I 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:31.039 would not do well. Two, I can give the impression 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.640 that I'm more competent than I really am. Three I 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.040 avoid evaluations if possible, and have a dread of others 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:38.960 evaluating me. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:40.880 I feel that I feel. 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.080 Gathered just by those three questions, and there's twenty of them. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.200 Wow, that's a lot, but not today. 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.960 I think that's that's a good place to start, definitely, 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.000 so we will be taking this test as well. So, look, 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:57.440 imposter syndrome is actually a very normal feeling and everyone experiences. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.000 And I cannot emphasize that enough because when you start 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.479 takenoledge your own imposter syndrome in your life, you like, 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:03.719 oh my gosh, it's only me. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:04.719 No, it's not. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.599 Particularly for women and people of color, though, we have 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:12.880 to navigate an additional layer of imposter syndrome because not 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:17.080 only are we balancing racial systemic biases, but we're also 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:21.400 balancing gender biases in the workplace. So particularly when you 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.120 don't see that representation in your leadership, no matter what 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.400 industry you're in, when there's still a pay gap between 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.480 men and women, when you still have the patriarchy, like 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.800 it's just there's patriarch, not the patriarchy, it can be 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.960 really hard to feel like you belong or that your 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.240 work is even appreciated. Yeah, So what I found really 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.440 interesting are people who we look up to in the world, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.080 people who we model after, who have also publicly spoken 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:47.160 about imposter syndrome. 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:48.000 So here are the. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.400 Receipts of just a few people who have said that 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:51.919 they've experienced in post syndrome. 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.440 That kind of blew my mind. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:58.000 So first of all, former First Lady Michelle Obama, excuse me, the. 0:05:58.040 --> 0:05:59.360 Ora tour that you are. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:04.719 I would never know what the confidence is strong, positive baby, 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.919 I love it. Former Facebook exact Cheryl Sandberg, which I 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.240 was also very surprised about, because you know, she has 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.080 created this huge mission about like lean in and empowering 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:21.159 women in the workforce. Supreme Court Justice Sonya Soda Mayor, which, wow, girl, 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.479 the power you have, the power that you have, the 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:30.080 trailblazer that you are. Tom Hanks, Tom, I love you, Tom, Yeah, 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:31.000 Tom Hanks. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:31.440 Wow. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.640 And last, but certainly not least on this list, my 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:36.479 personal hero Viola Davis. 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:36.920 Love her. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.720 But you know what's interesting not to go on a tangent, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.600 but I know that like when she was particularly going 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.159 out for like How to Get Away with Murder and 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.359 Annalise Keating analyse was written for a white woman. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:48.960 Yeah. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.919 Like, usually when you get a character break down, like 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.680 for most places, they will also list out usually the 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.880 ethnicity that they're searching for nowadays are trying to be 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.840 more inclusive, so people will say, like, all ethnicity is allowed, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:01.640 but anyway I can go. 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:02.320 Down hoole candent. 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.440 The point is like people get sourced for things and 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:06.240 they feel scary. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.200 Yeah, and I feel like you sharing the You know, 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.040 people we look up to who face imposter syndrome, us 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.200 both acknowledging that we have it, like it is a 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.680 very common experience. But I think if you don't do 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.360 anything to address that imposter syndrome, that's when it starts 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.160 to negatively impact your career. So it can definitely cause 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.160 you to say no to opportunities, you know, whether it 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.000 be like going after promotion, taking on a new project, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.440 is speaking engagement, whatever it is, and then also lead 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.920 to feelings of anxiety and stress about your job, like 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.040 is somebody gonna find out that I'm not qualified to 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.160 do this? Like honey, they hired you. Yeah, I know 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.560 you're qualified. So we want to talk a little bit 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.840 about our own experiences with imposter syndrome, especially when it 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.360 comes to creating. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.480 Let's talk off line. Tell me, gee, what's been your 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.080 experience well before we get into the podcast. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.040 Specifically, I think first is like landing a big tech 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.360 job as a new grad. I always would be like, 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.120 if people ask me for advice, I was like, oh, 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.200 I just got super lucky. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:03.800 Like I didn't. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.920 I was like, I don't know, Like I always just 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:07.720 chalked it up to like I got really lucky. I 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.720 was in the right place at the right time, not 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:13.320 ever acknowledging like, yeah, I worked really hard to get 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.840 the job that I have. So I think that is 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.160 like my first experience with imposter syndrome. And then also 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.560 when I started speaking on panels and doing more speaking 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:26.920 engagements externally, I would face the most insane amount of 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.720 imposter syndrome, like why do they ask me to do this? 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.240 They're gonna find out that I am unqualified. And I 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:37.240 talk a lot about imposter syndrome with our colleague Leah Smart. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.920 She's the host of LinkedIn's podcast every Day Better So 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.000 check it out. But she always said to me, Gianna, 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.120 when you feel that way, like you're going up on stage, 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.839 you have to say, like, who's better than you? Right, 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.160 Like they asked you for a reason, and you have 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.360 to kind of like sit in that. But with the 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:57.440 podcast specifically, oh gosh, did I face it? Falter said, 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.760 job yeah, I feel like I just recently told you 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:09.319 this that after we shot the pilot episode, I literally 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:10.520 sobbed you did. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.120 I'm so sorry. I'm not laughing at your drama. It's okay, 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:14.880 it's totally fine. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.840 I just remember like being like, crap, I'm not going 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:21.720 to be able to like hold my like I'm not 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:22.640 gonna be able to show up. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:23.040 Like. 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.400 I just felt so in my head about like am 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:27.720 I going to be able to perform? 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.000 Am I going to be able to, like, you know, 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:31.040 do this? 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.560 And I was facing a lot of self doubt and 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.120 even though I had been reporting on gen Z for years, 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:40.960 I don't know that I can. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.480 Be what people expect of me. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.400 And I was very in my head about like who 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:46.080 even am I? 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.400 What is my voice? I was just like what am 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:50.840 I doing? You know? 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:52.760 And I feel like I put a lot of pressure 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.440 on myself and that's what caused a lot of the 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.199 imposter syndrome because I was like, yeah, other people are 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.439 telling me that, like you can do it and it's 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.640 gonna be great, but I was like, I don't know 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:02.160 that I'm going to. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.600 Be able to prove them right. Yeah, gee, thank you 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.880 for your honesty. But two things that I want to 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.840 call out that you said. Well, first of all, you know, 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.600 you were saying how you were reporting on gen Z 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.400 for so long, and then now you were given this podcast, 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.320 and the fear came in. Sometimes I think imposter syndrome 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.800 kicks in when you're in new environments. You know the material, 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.480 but now all of a sudden, you have that new job, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.720 that new opportunity, this new project. 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.360 So that was natural for you to fear. 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.240 But one thing you said that I think I really 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.760 want to make sure everyone, particularly you understand, is that 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.400 you were saying you wanted to make sure that you 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.680 proved to them that like you wanted them to see 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.480 you in the way that you wanted to show up. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.440 That's not your problem. 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.800 Like that is where I think some of the anxiety 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.160 comes from, because we're trying to control how others perceive us. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:50.600 In the moment. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:55.480 You are qualified, you are unique, you know what you're doing, 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.560 so when you go into the room, you walk in 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.400 with that, and then their expectation is set based upon 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.800 how you show up. You don't live to fulfill other 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.000 people's expectations of you. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:06.560 Thank you. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.680 I appreciate saying that, and I do really think it 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:13.160 is like I study newspaper journalism for a reason, like 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:13.920 I wanted a byline. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.520 I didn't want people to like know my face. 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.319 And then I got this incredible opportunity to work at 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.760 this company and have this platform. And then it was 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.480 like getting over being in front of the camera. It 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:23.880 was getting over the sound of my own voice in 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:25.840 the beginning. Yeah, so it was like, I'm like, I'm 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.240 not a podcaster. I don't know the first thing. And 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.400 I was like, there's probably other people who could do 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.400 this who know what they're doing, and I think that's 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:33.440 where it really. 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:34.640 But you also know what you're doing. 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.240 Now she's learned, she's learned. Yeah, you've learned, but what 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:37.760 about you? 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.960 So yeah, I mean, imposter syndrum has chased me down 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.960 my entire life. But I've always been a little faster, 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:45.679 one step ahead, always one step. 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.040 She's just one step. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.679 Let's see overall in my life, yes, imposter syndrum has 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.240 always been there. I always used to in school get 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.400 like first runner up for things. So whether it was pageants, 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:04.560 it was talent shows, it was competitions for piano. And 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.040 when you kind of always come up first runner up, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.559 you just never feel like you're are the winner. You 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.280 always feel like I'm always like one step behind, and 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.240 so seeing that throughout my life, I was always sort 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.280 of in this mindset of I have to work even 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.680 harder to prove and you know, for other reasons that 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.679 like I won't share on the podcast, but just like 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.559 certain things that I saw growing up in home life 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.360 and environments that I was in, a girl like me 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.240 should not be here, and I say that in so 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.240 many ways, she shouldn't be in New York, she shouldn't 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.079 be working at LinkedIn. But I started to change my thinking, 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.959 and I started to say, you know what, even when 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.200 I go into rooms, even if I'm scared, even if 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.280 I feel like I don't belong, even if whatever, I'm 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:46.480 going to go into those rooms. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.160 I felt that a lot, particularly. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.319 When I first launched The Blonde Misfit, because within a 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.480 few years, all of a sudden, I'm getting all these 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.840 awards and I'm getting asked to do stuff. But I 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:57.360 had to sit with it one day and I was like, 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.640 but this is what you've been working for, all those 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.760 long nights in early mornings and sacrifice weekends in New 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.439 York fashion weeks that has led you to these events 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.199 that has led you to these awards, that has led 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.680 you to whatever. So I had to start recalibrating my 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.520 mind to start saying, like, you don't work the jay 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.680 Z said it best. I didn't work this hard to 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.720 stay the same. And so when I started to really 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.520 understand that, I started to say, you know what, imposter 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.480 syndrome is going to come to the party, but I 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.760 don't have to allow her to dance. Yeah, and so 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.240 thank you. And so it still kicks in. It kicks 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.640 in all the time. And even with the podcast, you know, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:41.360 my imposter syndrome kicked in because I was like, good gracious, like, 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:45.240 am I going to drop the ball? And I felt like, 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:47.920 you know, I'm not gen Z. I mean I can 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.040 speak somewhat to gen Z. I can speak to being 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.520 a millennial. I can speak to being a young person 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.160 in the workforce. But I thought, you know, well, how 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.160 is my voice going to matter on this podcast? And 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.160 I was like I don't want to and you you, 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.040 you know, from the jump, I was like, I don't 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.000 want to do this podcast if I can't be me. 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.160 And that's Jamay is gonna crack jokes. Jamay is gonna 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.080 talk about the things that matter. Jamay is gonna talk 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.560 about the real stuff, like we can play cookie cutter, 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.240 we can play house, but we also got to be 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.640 serious because these are people's lives. And I've just been 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.920 so thankful that every day, even when I've shown up 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.560 in the imposter syndrome, the mic cuts on and we 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.960 create magic, and the beautiful byproduct of that is what 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.680 you know you all are listening to. So I'm really 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.600 thankful for that. But yeah, imposter syndrum sucks. But again, 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.040 just because she's at the party doesn't mean she has 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:40.680 to know how it is. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.720 We've all had a moment where we have spiraled inserted 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:52.800 wondering can I do this? Am I good enough? I 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.880 know I've had my fair share of those moments. So 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.480 after the break, we're gonna talk about how to tackle 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.640 those intrusive thoughts and those feelings of imposter syndrome. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:02.640 That's next. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.480 All right, guys, we are back talking about imposter syndrome, 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.760 and I want to bring up a question from one 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.960 of our listeners. This is our segment Dear Work, Bestie, 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.400 where we answer your questions. This week's comes from Yvonne 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:26.360 in California. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.600 When a new position you're interested in opens up at work, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.760 but you feel like another coworker is more qualified for 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.360 the role. How do you one not let imposter syndrome 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.720 stop you from pursuing the position, and two how do 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.200 you show your higher ups that you're still a strong 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.560 candidate even though you know there's someone more qualified than you. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:53.240 M Yvonne, you want to start, and you want me 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.440 because my mine is really easy. 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.640 I feel like I know what you're gonna say, and 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.640 so let me just say I would first challenge Yvonne 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:02.680 to say, like, how do you know they're more qualified 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:03.000 than you? 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:03.600 Period? 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.400 First that you know, whether maybe it's like seniority, maybe 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.000 they've been at the company longer, maybe they have, you know, 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.560 more on their plate, whatever it might be. First it's like, 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.200 why do you think they're more qualified than you? Is 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.480 somebody telling you that? Or is it you in your 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.280 head about it? Because I know I would be up 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:22.960 in my head living rent free. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:24.840 That's a personal thing anyway. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.040 And also to focus on why you are qualified, like 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.240 why are you qualified for that position? Because you are 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.240 so focusing more on that than like this person is 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.200 more qualified than me. So I think once you kind 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.480 of like show yourself your own receipts of like, yeah, 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.160 I did this, that and that, and this is why 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.040 I'm qualified. You kind of you know, build that confidence. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.640 So I think that would be for one, how to 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.680 not let imposter syndrome stappy For me been going after 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.640 it is like, let them do the denying. Don't deny yourself, 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:54.320 don't self reject. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.720 Girl, the words right out of my mouth, yvon. First 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.080 of all, who else is applying for that job? 0:16:59.120 --> 0:16:59.960 That's not your business. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.840 Look, there are things in life we can control and 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.720 things we cannot. Okay, this is something you can't control, 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.760 and more importantly, things that should not live rent free 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:13.920 in your mind. Spend that time, money, effort, energy doing 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.119 what you can, which is showing yourself to be the 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.719 best candidate. At the end of the day, they are 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.560 going to make their decision based on a number of factors. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.080 Some of them are going to be tangible, some of 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.679 them are going to be intangible. And just because you 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.400 think that person is stronger in certain skill sets than 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.880 you are, use that to say, Okay, let me go 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.360 take some LinkedIn learning courses, let me go get enrolled 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.960 and get another degree, let me pursue some you know, 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:46.760 external education. Yeah, exactly, like use that as ammunition rather 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.520 than as a crutch. But at the end of the day, 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.160 it's not your job to say, like, oh, because they're 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.119 more proficient in X versus me, that they're going to 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:57.680 get the job. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:17:59.280 Let them decide that. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.160 And when it comes to showing higher ups like that 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.040 you are the right person for this position, we've talked 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.120 about this. I feel like at some point in every 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.760 episode this idea of like you need to be your 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.800 best advocate, you need to sell yourself and really like 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.919 lean into what you uniquely bring to the table. So, like, 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.240 what have you accomplished in your role thus far? What 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.080 responsibilities have you taken on, What wins do you have? 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:24.000 What learnings do you have? 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.080 All of that, Like package that up and be able 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.879 to speak on it and bring the receipts, like show 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:31.760 that you've done it right. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.600 What metrics have you moved? 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.040 And I think that's why when it comes to like 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.199 going after these positions, it's so important that you have 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.320 kept track of your successes up until that point. 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:42.720 Yep. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.639 So speaking of which, I think that there are a 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:50.280 lot of strategies that anyone can do when you are 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.520