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Speaker 3: Yeah, you wanted them to see you in the way

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Speaker 3: that you wanted to show up. That's not your problem. Like,

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Speaker 3: you are qualified, you are unique, you know what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: You don't live to fulfill other people's expectations of you.

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Speaker 2: From LinkedIn News and i Heeart Podcasts, this is Let's

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Speaker 2: Talk Offline, a show about what it takes to thrive

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Speaker 2: in the early years of your career without sacrificing your values, sanity,

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Speaker 3: I'm Giana Prudenti and I'm Jamaie Jackson Gadson. Let me

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Speaker 3: ask you, have you ever been at work in thought? Wow?

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Speaker 3: These people are so much smarter and more talented than me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what am I doing here? Do I belong?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: First of all, let me tell you you do belong.

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Speaker 3: But it's also totally okay to feel like you don't.

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Speaker 1: In poster syndrome.

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Speaker 3: Ugh.

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Speaker 4: It's something everybody experiences.

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Speaker 2: Yes, especially when you're early in your career. You're probably

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Speaker 2: let you in on a little secret. Your manager, your coworkers,

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Speaker 1: Like literally everybody has. It's so common.

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Speaker 2: And today we're going to talk about how to overcome

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Speaker 3: Okay, So before we jump into today's episode, big announcement, guys,

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Speaker 3: this is the last episode of this season. Farewell to

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Speaker 3: use the.

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Speaker 1: Cuba waterworks.

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Speaker 3: We've absolutely loved hanging out with all of you this

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Speaker 3: season and building this beautiful community of work besties.

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Speaker 1: Oh you guys are beautiful.

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Speaker 3: We really hope these conversations have been helpful for you, guys,

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Speaker 3: wherever you are in your career journey.

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Speaker 2: I feel like whether you're early in your career, making

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Speaker 2: show is that, yes, it's geared toward younger professionals like myself,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're all in this together.

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Speaker 1: We're all in this.

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Speaker 4: You see, I'm in the sing song move today. I

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Speaker 3: So look, we wanted to end the season off of

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Speaker 3: going to talk about imposter syndrome, because the truth is

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Speaker 3: So Gianna tell us all about imposter syndrome.

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Speaker 2: My good friend impostor's syndrome. So, imposter syndrome, it's that

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Speaker 2: So if you're like I think I experience imposter syndrome

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Speaker 2: We've all had a moment where we have spiraled inserted

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Speaker 5: When a new position you're interested in opens up at work,

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Speaker 3: M Yvonne, you want to start, and you want me

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Speaker 2: I feel like I know what you're gonna say, and

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Speaker 2: First that you know, whether maybe it's like seniority, maybe

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Speaker 3: Girl, the words right out of my mouth, yvon. First

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Speaker 3: It's so nice and comforting and it's a great reminder

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Speaker 1: Or even when you're at performance reviews. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: person best person for that job. Part of this, too,

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Speaker 2: is letting go of perfectionism, which is something I've totally

444
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 2: struggled with. I am a number one on the enneagram,

445
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 2: if you know, you know, but those feelings of self

446
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 2: doubt really do come from like wanting to do a

447
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 2: good job and putting these high expectations on ourself, Like

448
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: we don't hold anybody else to those high of expectations.

449
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Speaker 2: So you need to be kinder to yourself and like

450
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Speaker 2: let yourself have room for mistakes because that's where you grow. Yeah,

451
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 2: you know, I think another way to tackle imposter syndrome

452
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 2: is to seek support from your community in and out

453
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Speaker 2: of work. And when we started the podcast, I mean,

454
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Speaker 2: I came to you and I was like, oh, like

455
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 2: you know, I came. I was like, I need I

456
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: need support, I need help, And I turned to a

457
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Speaker 2: lot of colleagues during that time to help me.

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Speaker 3: Can I just add that, like, this is also a

459
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Speaker 3: great time, particularly if you have a good relationship with

460
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 3: your manager, to lean on them.

461
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I recently had a project that I was working on

463
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Speaker 3: and I felt so much imposter syndrome. I felt like

464
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Speaker 3: I couldn't understand the material, I couldn't understand the instructions.

465
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 3: And every time I would talk to my manager, she

466
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Speaker 3: affirmed me and she was.

467
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Speaker 1: Just like you're doing great. Yeah, Like I don't even

468
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: know why.

469
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 3: She was like, but if I'm but if you need me,

470
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Speaker 3: I'm here. And that felt so comforting for me to know,

471
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Speaker 3: first of all, someone saw me differently than how I'm

472
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Speaker 3: seeing myself, and I trust their judgment because they're the

473
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Speaker 3: ones who have to obviously send it up the ladder.

474
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 3: But also that I had someone in my corner who

475
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Speaker 3: was going to help me, and.

476
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Speaker 1: That makes all the difference.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, definitely find your allies at work because they

478
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 3: are going to affirm you and lift you up so much.

479
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Speaker 2: Those people closest to you are the ones that can

480
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Speaker 2: give you that reality check you know, and remind you

481
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: why you're doing an amazing job. Yeah, and you don't

482
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Speaker 2: have to wait for, you know, your annual performance review

483
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Speaker 2: to get that validation. Like have those regular check ins

484
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Speaker 2: like you do with your manager, have those check ins

485
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Speaker 2: with your you know, coworkers ask for feedback, right, They'll

486
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Speaker 2: tell you what you're doing good at and what your

487
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Speaker 2: strengths are. And it's a good confidence boost and reminder

488
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Speaker 2: that like, you are doing good, you are doing it,

489
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Speaker 2: you know, So ask for that feedback. There's no harm

490
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Speaker 2: in doing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I know, like earlier I was telling you, like,

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Speaker 3: don't center other people's opinions of you, but I think

494
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Speaker 3: that it's really affirming when.

495
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Speaker 4: The people who are closest to you, who see you and.

496
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Speaker 3: See the work that you do every day, affirm things

497
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 3: about you that you don't see in yourself. Yeah, because

498
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Speaker 3: particularly when you're having a low day, it feels great

499
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 3: that someone else still sees you as confident, as qualified,

500
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Speaker 3: as strong, and you know you need that to get

501
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Speaker 3: you through.

502
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Speaker 1: So I love that.

503
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Speaker 3: So, speaking of all the support y'all, making this podcast

504
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: has been so fun and it has required a lot

505
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 3: of support from a lot of people, but honestly, it's

506
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Speaker 3: also been pretty challenging. I mean, we talked in a

507
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Speaker 3: previous segment about the self doubt we both felt before

508
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Speaker 3: starting this project, and I mean, it's just been honestly

509
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Speaker 3: so great to have Gianna here to support me through

510
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Speaker 3: this journey.

511
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Speaker 1: So our producer.

512
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Speaker 3: Actually asked us to write a letter about how we've

513
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Speaker 3: seen each other grow during this experience and how we've

514
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Speaker 3: supported each other. Now here's the funny thing. Gianna hasn't

515
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Speaker 3: seen my letter, and I haven't seen her.

516
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Speaker 1: Heart being so fast right now.

517
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Speaker 3: Mine is being fast and I know what I wrote,

518
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Speaker 3: So we're gonna writ I know, write me too, my God,

519
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 3: Like I hate you know, so we're going to read

520
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Speaker 3: these letters to each other for the first time.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll go first. Okay, I'm actually like really nervous.

522
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I'm not gonna look at you today.

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Speaker 6: I know, like, wow, life, Gianna, it's already getting read me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Gianna.

526
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Speaker 3: When we first began this podcast journey, I remember how

527
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Speaker 3: excited you were, but also how rightfully so nervous you felt.

528
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Speaker 3: And I mean it was for a very good reason.

529
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Speaker 3: This was all brand new territory. But every step of

530
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Speaker 3: the way you've navigated those unknown waters with such grace

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Speaker 3: and resilience. You've flexed not only your skills but your

532
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 3: ability to adapt, and it's been incredible to see you

533
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: consistently show up not just as my co host, but

534
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Speaker 3: as my partner in this crazy adventure. I'm so proud

535
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: of how far you've come in such a short time.

536
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: But more than that, I'm excited for how much further

537
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Speaker 3: you'll go. You're driven, You're ambitious, slightly anxious, and completely

538
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: in tune with the values we share. You've made it

539
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 3: a priority to ensure that we are always putting gen

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Speaker 3: Z at the forefront, not just telling the stories but

541
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Speaker 3: making sure they're being heard. Every time we get on

542
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: the mic, it's like magic. We laugh, we cry, and

543
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: a lot of that magic is thanks to your thoughtful

544
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: planning and attention to detail. Trust me, I strive to

545
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: be more like you every single day. But even beyond

546
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: what we share on air, you've shown up as a colleague,

547
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: a support system, and as a friend. You have held

548
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Speaker 3: space for me. You have seen and affirmed me, and

549
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Speaker 3: I am so grateful for that connection.

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Speaker 1: I remember when the world wasn't.

551
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Speaker 3: Sure what to make of your generation, but you, Gianna,

552
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: your proof that the stories that need to be told

553
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: will always find their way. As long as there are

554
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Speaker 3: storytellers and reporters like you, the messages that Madam most

555
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: will reach the world. Season one was a blast, but

556
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Speaker 3: I know this is just the beginning for you. You've got

557
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 3: your family, your friends, your work besties, and you've also

558
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: got me right here cheering you on. So here's to

559
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 3: you for absolutely crushing it this season and becoming a

560
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: full on podcaster and your own right cheers to many

561
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Speaker 3: more episodes, laughs, Italian trips and moments.

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Speaker 1: Yay here, that is so beautiful. Thank you, You're welcome.

563
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Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you.

564
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Speaker 3: You have just superseded all expectations, and I hope that

565
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Speaker 3: you are proud of yourself for everything you've done.

566
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Speaker 1: You've come in here and you've kicked ass.

567
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Speaker 2: Okay, I printed mine out.

568
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Speaker 1: Here. Okay.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

570
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Speaker 3: It's also very difficult for me to take compliments. Yeah,

571
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: like that's a weakness of mind.

572
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Speaker 1: So i'mona get relaxed. All right, let's do this, you

573
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Speaker 1: said your coffee, Ye, all right.

574
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Speaker 2: When we started production for Let's Talk Offline, I was

575
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: up against a lot of self doubt and self inflicted pressure.

576
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if I could hold my own behind

577
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: the mic. I was so in my head about creating

578
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: a show that my generation genuinely enjoyed listening to, so

579
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: much so that I would often second guess myself and

580
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: mull over decisions, even if I felt in my gut

581
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: that I knew the answer. The hard truth is, despite

582
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: reporting on gen Z for over two years, I hadn't

583
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: truly found my voice. I was constantly questioning if I

584
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: was going to be able to do this and do

585
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: it well. I know that I would not have been

586
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Speaker 2: able to without you sitting across the table from me.

587
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: From day one. Your support and encouragement has been a constant.

588
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: You've created a safe space for me to show up

589
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 2: as myself and to learn. I've gone through a lot

590
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: of trial and error throughout this production process, and you've

591
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: always had my back, reaffirming me that I could do

592
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: this when I was struggling, and cheering me on when

593
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: I found my rhythm behind the mic. As a fellow

594
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 2: anxious girly, having someone I could always turn to, whether

595
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: it was to brainstorm or to event put me at ease.

596
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: More than you know, I appreciate and I'm in continuous

597
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: awe of your vulnerability, openness, honesty, and candidness When reflecting

598
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: on your career journey. We've had some hard conversations, but

599
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: I know that your willingness to dig deep and unfortunately

600
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: have to relive some traumatic events from your past, have

601
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: me countless listeners feel seen. At the same time, you've

602
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: brought such a fun, lighthearted energy that has made this

603
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: a one of a kind show. You've helped me get

604
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: out of my shell by being your vivacious, hilarious, and

605
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: fabulous self. I can't thank you enough for that. Over

606
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: the last few months, I've been able to witness your

607
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: growth as a host firsthand. You beautifully break down complex

608
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: topics and effortlessly explain terms that many people starting out

609
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: may not even know. Simply put, you've proven what a

610
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: skilled journalist you are, something I never doubted. Since we

611
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: like to share takeaways at the end of each episode,

612
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: I figured it's only fitting to share my biggest takeaway

613
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Speaker 2: from you. You've shown me that no job is worth

614
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: sacrificing your values, sanity, or sleep for, and that putting

615
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: yourself first is the most important thing you can do.

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00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: For that, I'm forever grateful, and I'm so thankful this

617
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: experience gave me a work bestdie for life.

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Speaker 1: Signed your structured sys.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, sipping my coffee so I don't cry. Gosh, guys,

620
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: Gianna penetrated my cold heart. Oh thank you, Sis. I

621
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: really appreciate that. As my letters said to G and

622
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: G's letters said to me, other people see so much

623
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: in you, even if you don't see it in yourself,

624
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: and so I want you to know that, even if

625
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Speaker 3: you are dealing.

626
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Speaker 1: With imposter syndrome.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully the tips that we have shared, the resources that

628
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Speaker 3: we've shared, and hopefully your family, community, friends, colleagues, whomever

629
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Speaker 3: can create that safe space for you so that you

630
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: know how to fight imposter syndrome whenever she comes knocking

631
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Speaker 3: your door.

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Speaker 4: We're going to take a little break, honestly to cry

633
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Speaker 4: a little more.

634
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Speaker 3: But we can't say this enough. Everyone experience is imposter syndrome.

635
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Speaker 3: Me Gianna, Coworkers, your manager.

636
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Speaker 1: Eva Rewet.

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Speaker 4: So you are not alone and just know you've got this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the tears are dried, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Something I'm taking away from our convo today is that

640
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: you are not alone in your experience with imposter syndrome,

641
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: and you really just need to lean into like why

642
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: you are the person that is qualified for whatever is

643
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: coming your way, whether be that promotion, be that speaking engagement,

644
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Like you were asked for a reason.

645
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: Remember that and just focus on showing up as your

646
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: best self.

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Speaker 1: That's all you can ask of yourself. I love that.

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Speaker 3: Another thing that I'm taking away is to make sure

649
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Speaker 3: you are documenting your wins. Yeah, and knowing that every

650
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: room that you are in you belong there. It's really

651
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: funny because you know, when you go on a cast

652
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: and call for acting, you'll walk into a room and

653
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: there will be dozens of people who look like you

654
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: because they're trying to fit the model of what the

655
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: role could look like. But what you can uniquely bring

656
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: to that role, in the role of your life is

657
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: your unique value, your unique experiences, in the way in

658
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: which you see that opportunity. So never go into a

659
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: room scared. Go into every room knowing that you belong

660
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Speaker 3: and when you need.

661
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: That extra boost, collect your little bag folder. Yeah, so

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Speaker 4: you guys.

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Speaker 3: You know, normally around this time we would be doing

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Speaker 1: But this time we wanted to shake it up.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to end the show a little differently.

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Speaker 3: Today in honor of the new Year, we're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about what our New year career resolutions are. I'm

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Speaker 3: super excited because, first of all, new Year is my favorite.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite time is the year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like fresh something that's on the air, you know.

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Speaker 3: Hope, I mean, so, Gia, reason to give it another try?

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Speaker 1: Here we go yet, right, Gianna, what are your goals

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Speaker 1: for the new year?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: I think my biggest goal for twenty twenty five career

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Speaker 2: wise is to really focus on building my career confidence.

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Speaker 2: And I think that the biggest thing there is to

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Speaker 2: work on.

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Speaker 1: My overthinking tendencies.

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Speaker 2: They are not serving me, They're like, I know, it's

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Speaker 2: something that I need to work on. So I want

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Speaker 2: to just focus on like being confident in my decisions,

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Speaker 2: knowing you know that in my gut, I know the

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Speaker 2: right direction, and not mulling over things in my head

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Speaker 2: because I have to consider every which you know, pob

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Speaker 2: Like you got it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that for you because when you get

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Speaker 3: out of your head, you are so unstoppable. I mean

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Speaker 3: you're unstoppable when you're in your head too, but like

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Speaker 3: you unlock a new level when you're not in your head,

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Speaker 3: and it's just the magic.

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Speaker 1: The arms are.

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Speaker 3: Flowing, arms like it's it's just bleeding through. I love

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Speaker 3: it for me. I would say that, you know, one

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Speaker 3: of the things that I kind of came back to

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Speaker 3: this year was community building and people get to see

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Speaker 3: it up close and personal, like particularly on my LinkedIn.

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Speaker 3: But I had really given up creating content a lot

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Speaker 3: on all my social platforms, and this year I finally

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Speaker 3: dipped my toe back in there and I'm feeling kind

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Speaker 3: of good about it. Yeah, it's been fun, but like

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Speaker 3: I also now see where I've been neglecting, and so

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Speaker 3: I really want this year to be a year of

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Speaker 3: intentionally building community and really creating space for people because

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Speaker 3: I think now more than ever, storytellers are needed. Storytellers

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Speaker 3: are needed, and we need to help you know, the

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Speaker 3: arts heal and so I want to just continue to

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Speaker 3: find ways to do that. And obviously that is a

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Speaker 3: little bit more of on the personal side, but it

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Speaker 3: does bleed also into my career as a professional storyteller.

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Speaker 3: So I'm really excited about that and trying to figure

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Speaker 3: out more ways to do that. So, yeah, help me

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Speaker 3: and Gianna definitely hold us accountable. Yeah, check in and

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Speaker 3: also let us know what maybe your New Year's resolutions are,

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Speaker 3: because I always love to hear what other people are

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Speaker 3: working towards. That's always so fun. But anyway, thank you

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Speaker 3: guys so much for hanging out with gian and I

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Speaker 3: all season long. I hope you guys are having a

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Speaker 3: wonderful New Year or whenever you're listening to this episode.

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Speaker 3: And also remember this isn't a goodbye, Okay, We're going

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Speaker 3: to keep the party going on LinkedIn.

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Speaker 2: Yes, remember we have a newsletter you can follow, guys,

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Speaker 2: if you're not falling it already by the end of

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Speaker 2: the season.

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Speaker 1: What are you're doing?

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Speaker 4: It's better than ever.

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: It's called Let's Talk offline. You can find the link

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Speaker 2: in the show description. It's also in my LinkedIn bio.

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Speaker 2: And we want to keep chatting with all of our

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Speaker 2: work besties, so make sure you're commenting on the newsletter.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you're posting on LinkedIn. Tag Jamay and I.

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Speaker 2: We want to see what you're putting out there. We

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Speaker 2: want to chat with you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we really do appreciate when you guys tag us

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Speaker 3: in your posts. Okay, so we don't forget. Also, huge

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Speaker 3: shout out this week to Yvonne for sending us your

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Speaker 3: listener question. You guys, keep the listener questions coming. Okay,

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Speaker 3: listen to your work bestie, Jamay. Just because the season's over,

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Speaker 3: it does not mean you should stop sending us your questions.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: We really want to hear what topics you want us

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Speaker 3: to cover in the future, so we want to keep

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Speaker 3: hearing from you. Information on how to send us your

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Speaker 3: questions is in the show description.

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Speaker 2: Also, make sure you guys rate and follow the show

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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. Remember, Jamay and I will

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Speaker 2: always have your back. You got two work besties for life.

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Speaker 2: So if something ever comes up, Let's Talk Offline.

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Speaker 1: I'm Janna Preenti.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Jama Jackson Gadson, Stay Thriving.

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Speaker 2: Let's Talk Offline is a production of LinkedIn News and

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Speaker 2: producer Sabrina Fang. The show is edited by Savannah Wright.

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