1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Fry and 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We had another installment of eponymous 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: foods this week. Yeah. This one came about entirely because 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: I had the shocking discovery that prayleans were an eponymous food. Yeah. Yeah. 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: And it happened because one of my friends and I 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: were discussing praleens and text messages recently, and I thought 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: I haven't tried my hand at those in a long time. 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: I should refresh on the best possible techniques for making them. 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: And I did, and one of the recipes I came 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: across mentioned that it was named for Plessy Prana and 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: I was like, Jim, excuse. And then I was suddenly 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: like deep in it, and I was like, well, I 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: guess we're loaded up for another pondu. Yeah, delicious, delicious. 15 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: Most of my notes to discuss for behind the Scenes 16 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: are about crepe susette. Okay, okay. First of all, if 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: you can get your hands on that Enri Charpontier biography, 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: do it. It's a very charming read. It was republished 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: recently ish, so it's not hard to get hold of. 20 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: He calls this biography the recipe of himself, like, this 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: is the recipe of me, all of the things that 22 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: went into making me the person I am, And it 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: is very charming the way he structures stories. We mentioned 24 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: in this episode that he just kind of blurts out 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: his recipe for crape as he is telling the story 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: of inventing them, and that's how all of it goes. 27 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: There aren't like, now here's the recipes. He'll be like, 28 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: and then I made this thing for this important visiting noble. Oh, 29 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: here's how we threw that together. And it's like, all 30 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: of the measures are there, all of the methods. It's 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: just written out in prose dial instead of the way 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: you normally see a recipe, which is pretty interesting. He 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: also talks a lot about, you know, kind of the 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: blunders that he made and the sense of right and 35 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: wrong that he brought with himself from growing up in 36 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: a poor family in the country to these incredibly luxurious 37 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: spaces where they were serving very famous and important people. 38 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: I mentioned that he got fired from some jobs. He 39 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: quit some jobs basically like he thought of people weren't 40 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: treating their staff correctly, it was not worth staying, which 41 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: is a really interesting idea in this point in time 42 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: when we hear so many stories of people just being 43 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: kind of beaten down by their employers in service jobs 44 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: and not having any recourse, and he kind of seemed 45 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 1: to not care, although it did almost kill him. There 46 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: is a great quote though that I loved because these 47 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: jobs that he had when he was in London to 48 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: learn English, and he was working for this woman there 49 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: was essentially like the housekeeper who was a pretty young 50 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: woman herself, and he was really distraught and kind of 51 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: horrified by the way that the staff was fed because 52 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: at night their only meal was like cheese and crackers 53 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 1: for dinner, while like they were literally serving people these 54 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, multi course, really beautiful, expensive meals. And so 55 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: he had kind of finagled the owner of the house, 56 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: his boss, to let him take over doing all of 57 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: the grocery shopping because he had learned how to do 58 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: it from his stepbrother who was a really well known 59 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: chef and would go to farmer's markets and like haggle 60 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: and teach him how to buy the best fresh produce. 61 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: Also that book if you want to learn how to 62 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: pick produce he's got you on everything, like he yeah, really, 63 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: especially for local produce. He's great. But he ended up 64 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: like there was a time where both he and the 65 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: housekeeper were hungry and it was not their designated meal time, 66 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: and he was like, I don't care, I'm gonna cook 67 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: us something really quick. And he mentions that he basically 68 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: just made them like scrambled eggs. But there's a quote 69 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: in it that I thought was the best thing ever, 70 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: which is, when you are hungry, a pair of eggs 71 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: is never a mistake. And I was like, that is 72 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: solid advice, because when I'm very hungry and I can't 73 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: think of anything, I can scramble a couple eggs really quick, 74 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: and I'm great. Yeah, that's when I'm having to cook 75 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: for myself. Something involving eggs is like a big staple, 76 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: quick and easy. Yeah, he got He left that job 77 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: because he had spent saving so much money on the 78 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: grocery bill that he was basically using the excess to 79 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: buy the staff better groceries so they could eat better food. 80 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: And he got caught roasting chickens for the staff and 81 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: got in trouble and he was like, if you don't 82 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: want us to eat right, I don't want to work here, 83 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: and that's when he left. And this brings me to 84 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: the poodle story. Okay, so he really speaks very very 85 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe it. It's not 86 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: just lovingly, it's not even adoringly. It's somewhat reverently of 87 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: this poodle because he was after he left that job, 88 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: and he had initially paid up his rent in advance 89 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: on a room, but that ran out and he got evicted, 90 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: and so he started sleeping under benches in pair in London. 91 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 1: And this in and of itself was a big education 92 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: for him, like that was something he had never experienced before, 93 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: and he was really sort of shocked once again by 94 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: like what the culture of life on the street was 95 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: for kids. But he mentions one night hiding under a 96 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: bench and there was a policeman coming along and like 97 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: hitting the benches with his stick, and he found this 98 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: one that was out of the way, and he hid 99 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: there and a dog came and laid down next to him, 100 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: and he realized it was a poodle that like was 101 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: in rough shape. And he said he was sure the 102 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: poodle had originally in fact been in France, because it 103 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: responded when he spoke French to it. That's a whole 104 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: other story, but I love it. I love it, but 105 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: that that poodle stayed with him every single night, and 106 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: like the poodle would go out and hunt on its 107 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: own and occasionally bring him things back. But he was 108 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: pretty convinced that the poodle knew that if he found 109 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: something and the two of them were together, like they 110 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: would have to fight, because it was literally like every 111 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: man for himself in terms of what to eat. But 112 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: that the night that he thought he was going to 113 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: die was the one night that when the policeman came through, 114 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: instead of hunkering down with him, the poodle got out 115 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: from under the bench and started barking for the policeman 116 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: to come over. And so he believes in his heart 117 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: that poodle saved his life. And according to his story, 118 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: again unverifiable but pretty great, when he did recover in 119 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: the hospital, when he was well enough to actually like 120 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: speak and be functional, the policeman came to visit him 121 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: and had in fact adopted the poodle and then brought 122 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: him to visit before he left for France again, which 123 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: is a very sweet story. I don't care if it's true. 124 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: It's a great story. It hurts nobody for me to 125 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: believe that's true. I love it. It also feeds into 126 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: the poodle fever I've been living in lately, but that's 127 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: a different thing. Also, not ready for a poodle, not 128 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: ready for a dog at all. I have one more 129 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: thing to talk about. Okay. The crape sousettes of my 130 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: youth were a lie? Oh no, okay, how from someone 131 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: that grew up in a household with French speakers from 132 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: France and should have known better. So I don't know 133 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: if this was a choice, but I got crepe susette 134 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: as a kid that was not citrusy at all. It 135 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: was like maple ley and it was not set on fire. 136 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: And so when I had real crape susette as an adult, 137 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: I was like what And also hooray no shade to 138 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: maple syrup. But that's not crape susette. No real crape 139 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: suseet is something else. Yes, yeah, delicious. I want to 140 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: cook all these things now. I have not have not done, 141 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: have not done Charpontier's crape recipe yet, but I will, 142 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: right I will. And I haven't retested my my prayin 143 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: lean thing, but I will. Got to use a thermometer. 144 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: It's not going to solidify right, right. I've had some 145 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: failures in the past. That's why I'm a little trepidacious. 146 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I've had crape Suzette. I kind 147 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: of feel like I might have had someone we were 148 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: in New Orleans that time, maybe, But I also sort 149 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: of feel like the only thing I've ever had that 150 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: was served flaming tableside was Baked Alaska, but it was 151 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: like cruise ship Baked Alaska, which is prepared in enormous quantities, 152 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know if I don't know how it 153 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: compares to something served not on a cruise ship. I 154 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: don't either, But you know, I like a little flombay 155 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: now and again, yeah, yeah, I mean most of the time, 156 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: if you are in a restaurant setting and they're doing flombay, 157 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: everything is so carefully controlled that, you know, like even 158 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: if you are maybe one of those people that is 159 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: afraid of fire, because I know that's a thing, it's 160 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: controlled enough that it's gonna burn out before it could 161 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: cause any trouble. Sure, you know what I mean, Like 162 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: the amounts of things in it that are flammable are 163 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: very carefully measured. So that even if no one blew 164 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: it out, it's gonna go out. Watch I say that, 165 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: and someone will be like, I went to a restaurant 166 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: and they were not careful and I caught my hair 167 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: on fire. Here's my video of a disaster. Yeah. I 168 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: hope not for anybody's safety, but yeah, every time we 169 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: do an eponymous foods I'm then like, well, I just 170 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: want to eat everything on earth now, thank you. Yeah, 171 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: Gripsy is it? And Flambey and the sandwich thing just 172 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: cracks me up. Yeah, We've gotten so many emails and 173 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: comments and whatever. You miss the most obvious one, it's 174 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: the sandwich, and it's like, well that's sort of sort 175 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: of a different thing, yes and no, and we kind 176 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: of there's a lot of setup. Yeah, so it was 177 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: time this time. There's really just so many food We've 178 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: talked about it another you said in this episode another 179 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: food history episode. So many foods that really were meant 180 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: to be like portable for people to take something out 181 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: into the fields, to be able to eat, yeah, without 182 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: having to go back to the house, and something in 183 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: Sconsdin bread is not right. We are aware of how 184 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: many conversations on the internet there are about whether something 185 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: is or is not a sandwich. I don't need to 186 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: participate in these conversations or hear about them. I don't 187 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: think you were in the office the day I lost 188 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: my mind over this issue. No, I don't think you 189 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: have inadvertently awakened the beast. So I hate, and I'm sorry, 190 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: And I know hate is a strong word, but I 191 00:11:54,240 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: hate when people argue about food in terms of like preference. Sure, 192 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: just eat what you want. Yeah, there are so few 193 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: joys in life. Take the ones that you have and 194 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: run with them and don't poo poo anybody else's. But 195 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: there was a time in our office when there was 196 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: a project being discussed via group email, and everyone started 197 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: having arguments about things like what is or is not 198 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: a sandwich? What is or is not the superior blobbery 199 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: blue bity blue, and I you know when you're on 200 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: group emails anyway, Yeah, those aren't my favorite either. They 201 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: just tend to like you're getting like an email every 202 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: thirty seconds, and if you're trying to do something like 203 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: for me, even stopping to be like remove me from 204 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: this is a pain in the neck, right, So then 205 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: you're getting the constant influx of like bling bling, bling 206 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: bling while you're trying to write or research something or whatever. 207 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: And I literally stood up and said, with expletives included, 208 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: that I won't put here. I do not care what 209 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: anyone likes or eats. And everyone was like, uh, oh, 210 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: is roman about something completely irrational? But I just I 211 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: had just had it. I was like, don't, don't. I 212 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: think there's a lot less of it now. But our 213 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: whole office used to have a very reply all culture. 214 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean specifically in everyone replying all to the email 215 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: in an ongoing way, not anything else that has the 216 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: proper name reply all. Yeah. And it could get and 217 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,239 Speaker 1: some of that was great, because sometimes it was workshopping. 218 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: Stem it just was like, this is a topic that 219 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: I just hate. Don't insult other people's tastes. It's not cool. 220 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't love catch Up, but I 221 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: don't care if people put it on their eggs. If 222 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: that makes them love it, great, that's marvelous. I feel 223 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: similarly about when someone is living somewhere and they're having 224 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: weather that is atypical for where they live, and people 225 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: start chiming in with how much more dream the weather 226 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: is where they live? Right? And I'm like, we don't 227 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: need you don't need to be passing judgment on the 228 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: people from Atlanta when there's three inches of snow that 229 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: brings the whole city to a halt if you live 230 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: in Maine, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, any of those just 231 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: let's all be kinder and more chill to each other. 232 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: That's sort of what I think right. The part where 233 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: I really get a little bit and it applies to 234 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: both of these scenarios is and actually, something I was 235 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: talking to my husband about just this morning about doctor visits, 236 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: is like, if you give me information in a way 237 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: that is condescending, I don't care how much data you 238 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: have to back it up. I don't want to listen 239 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: to you. Sure, Sure, just don't. Yeah, there's no reason 240 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: it's insulting to me. Why would I want to trust 241 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: your judgment if you cannot judge how to be kind 242 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: to people when sharing information? Anyway, That's all we talked 243 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: about doomsday book this week. We did. I didn't write. Usually, 244 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: as I'm putting together any outline, I write a bunch 245 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: of side notes of like the things I want to 246 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: talk about. I'm behind the scenes, sure, and I don't 247 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: have a ton of those. This time, because part of me, 248 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: just the whole time I was working on this was like, 249 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: did William the first understand how to not have bureaucracy 250 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: in a way we've never figured out? Again, That's all 251 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: I kept thinking about, you know. I mean we both 252 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: work for and have worked for a number of large companies. 253 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: So I'm not singling out any one of them, because 254 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: they all seem to have that issue of like I 255 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: have a great project idea and someone's like, that's great, 256 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: but like the execution of it becomes this long arduous 257 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: thing that sometimes years and years when it's like, but 258 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: if if you just let my team do it, we 259 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: could do it in like a month and a half. 260 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: That has happened at you know, almost every company I've 261 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: ever been at. That certainly applies to things. I mean, 262 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: it is a notorious joke that like government doings take 263 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: an extra long time. Yeah. So the idea that this 264 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: all happened without, as Professor Baxter mentioned, without any digitization, 265 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: without just really runnimentary tools in terms of what we 266 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: would think of today running something like this, and it 267 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: happened so quickly. I'm just like, what is the lesson 268 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: we can take away? Yeah? Well, and what I remember 269 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: from that twenty twenty one research that we talked about 270 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: was that like the first draft of it was super fast. Uh, 271 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: but like the compiling and revising part did take longer 272 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: and have more chaos is maybe not the right word, 273 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: but like the the fact checking compiling part, right, that 274 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: was that took longer. Yeah, that took a longer process, 275 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: but like still uh given everything pretty astounding. Yeah, I 276 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: really want to know about that one scribe. Mm hmm. 277 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: This is this is the movie I want, Okay, or 278 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: maybe even a novel, I don't care, Just this one 279 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: scribe who all they do all day long is use 280 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: their abbreviated Latin and their beautiful handwriting to collate all 281 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: of this day of things. Yeah, into one long honk 282 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: and list of a book. And then the person that 283 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: comes after them and does the fact checking and writes 284 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: little notations that just the whole thing fascinates me. Yeah, 285 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 1: it seems like dark arts must have been involved. Speaking 286 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: of novels, are you familiar with Connie Willis only by name? 287 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 1: I haven't read any other work. Uh. Connie Willis has 288 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: a book called the Doomsday Book, but it is spelled 289 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: Doomsday do o m phonetically yeah, the way one would 290 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: expect it to be spelled. And it's part of a 291 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: collection of books that are about these historians from Oxford 292 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: University who do their work via time travel. And it's 293 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: been long enough ago since I read the Doomsday book 294 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: that like, I don't want to try to summarize it. 295 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: I'll probably mess something up. But if I'm remembering correctly, 296 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: that's the one where somebody goes back in time, they 297 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: mess something up. It's not exactly that they mess something up, 298 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: it's that there's factors involved. This person winds up unexpectedly 299 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: during the Black Death, which was not the plan. Simultaneously, 300 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: back in the present, there is a massive influenza outbreak 301 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: happening that may the people on the ground that are 302 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: supposed to be like supporting this person who's back in 303 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: the past and bringing them home again, like they're all 304 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 1: out of commission with this massive flu pandemic. All of 305 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: this seems like it might read really differently now in 306 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: the year twenty twenty four, and when I originally read it, 307 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: which was well well over a decade ago, having not 308 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, lived in a time of airborne disease pandemic. 309 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, I find out of those books really interesting. 310 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, did they have to violate the prime directive? 311 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: But then I'm folding in a completely different and wrong thing. No, 312 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: I think if I'm remembering the sort of premise of 313 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: these books correctly, the universe kind of resists time travel 314 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: that could dramatically affect the future. And that is why 315 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: when they send somebody back into the past, sometimes they 316 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: don't wind up where they expected because the universe has 317 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: been like, nah, you can't go to that moment. I 318 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: could be paraphrasing this badly. If this if the idea 319 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: of historians from Oxford time traveling into the medieval period 320 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: sounds interesting to you, I recommend you know, to getting 321 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: that book from the library or whatever is relying on 322 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: my how you know, decade plus old recollection of it. Yeah. 323 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: I you know, we talked about how we would use 324 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: the time machine in various ways. Yeah. Maybe now we 325 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: can add to the list. Figure out why they were 326 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: so efficient? Yeah. Now, Unfortunately, the problem may just be 327 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: that people were terrible working conditions. Yeah, afraid to not 328 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: be efficient. Yeah. Yeah, Well, and it thinks are a 329 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: little bit different when you have a king who can 330 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: unilaterally decide things, right, versteat of committees, discussions bureaucracy. Yeah, 331 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: when the bureaucratic ladder is relatively short, things do move faster. 332 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it's better, It doesn't mean it just 333 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: means it's faster now. But it would be nice if 334 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: things like you know, just basic home assessments, et cetera, 335 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: went a little faster. Although I will say, as a 336 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: shout out to speed, we, you know, a couple of 337 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: years ago, added a little bit onto our house as 338 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: part of a bigger lots of stuff that needed to 339 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: get fixed because it was in pretty dire straits. And 340 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the inspector had like finished 341 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: signing his name to say yes, I've inspected the house 342 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: and it's done. And we had like a property assessor 343 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: out here the next day, just like on the doorstep 344 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: going on, ready to see the new stuff. So some 345 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: parts of bureaucracy move very quickly. Indeed, Yeah, I had 346 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: kind of the opposite experience when I I had to 347 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: do a massive amount of work on the house that 348 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: I owned in Atlanta, which is a very long story, 349 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 1: but that whole project took almost a year, some of it, 350 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, because insurance was paying for it, and that 351 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: caused there to be various things that had to be 352 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: done in a certain way. But then some of it 353 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: was also like permitting, getting the permit to do the 354 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: thing just took so long. See, we had the opposite. Yeah, 355 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to get too off kilter talking about permodation. 356 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: But our contractor that we ended up working with and 357 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: who we've continued to work with and we really love, 358 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: they normally don't work in our county. Oh, I see 359 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: the county you used to live in. And when they 360 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: put in the applications for permits, they had approvals in 361 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: like three days. Oh wow, and they were like, we 362 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 1: want to work in this county forever. But then we 363 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: found out where the slowdown was, and it was on 364 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: inspection because our inspector was very very thorough, to the 365 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: point of, like, really where a lot of things happened 366 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: that made us have to pull things out and redo 367 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: them even though they were perfectly fine. Nobody was cutting corners. 368 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: But like we discovered I don't quote me on this 369 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: because I don't know the actual code, but this is 370 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: how it was explained to me. The little tiny addition 371 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: we did to the house, the grade that the roof 372 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 1: has to be at is like two degrees different than 373 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: the next county over. And they had always worked in 374 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: that county and not live and so then they were like, 375 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: well you have to redo the roof. Yeah, And it 376 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: was like a lot of little stuff like that kept 377 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: coming up. Yeah, and that was where slow down was. 378 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: But the permitting was fast as lightning. And like I said, 379 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,479 Speaker 1: they were on our door step the day after the 380 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: final inspections. So yeah, I had stuff like the entire 381 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: house had to be gutted down to the studs. I remember. 382 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: I remember going over there at one point and there 383 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: were no insides to it, and I don't remember which 384 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: thing had been like. I think maybe there was plumbing 385 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: that needed to be moved to bring the kitchen set 386 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: up up to code. And when the inspector that came out, 387 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: they were like, well, see the issue now is I 388 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: can see the wiring and the wiring is not so 389 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: now we have to fully update all the wiring. Yeah. 390 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: That is the trick if you have a dream of 391 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: buying an old house and renovating it. Yeah, in case 392 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: anybody out there doesn't know, codes change over the years 393 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: and your beautiful house that seems like it functions perfectly fine. 394 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: Will so be discovered to not be up to current 395 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: code and that can lead to a lot of having 396 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: to do things you maybe hadn't planned for. Yes, uh, 397 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: it's a lot. Fortunately I was not living in the house. 398 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: No one was living in the house at that moment, 399 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: and so the fact that it took forever and kept 400 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 1: having additional things that had to be taken care of 401 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: was a giant inconvenience, but like not the worst thing 402 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: that ever could have happened. Yeah, yeah, all of ours was, 403 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: like I said, on a little addition to the house 404 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: that was not right. We could live in the house 405 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: just fine without that having been completed and with it 406 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: being slowed down. But woof right, woof, William the Conqueror 407 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't have let it take that long. I don't know, 408 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. I'm not you know, hero worshiping William the 409 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: conquer Or anything. That's uh. This is yet another moment 410 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: though in because I've certainly, you know, studied the Battle 411 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: of Hastings sure throughout the years, but I really just 412 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: like revisiting all of his life and like the constant battling. Yeah, 413 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: to preserve what you have and gain more. I once 414 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: again am like, who on earth would want to be 415 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: part of royal succession? Not this gal? I got dresses 416 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: to make. I don't have time to be defending people 417 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: all the time from trying to take my stuff. Just 418 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: doesn't sound fun to me. No, no, not even one 419 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: little bit. It does make me think a lot about 420 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: censuses and surveys and how they all work and what 421 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: they can achieve. And I'm glad we could peek at 422 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: Doomsday Book a little bit because it is it is 423 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: a fascinator, and I do I do find myself fascinated 424 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: at the reverence with which people talk about it, because 425 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: it is like when we say it is a foundational volume, 426 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: that is not an understatement. It's like it is a 427 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: very important work for history in general, and certainly English history. 428 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: So it's a cool one to think about. You know 429 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: what else is cool to think about? What time off. 430 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: So if this is your weekend coming up, I hope 431 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: that you're not caught up in any kind of bureaucratic 432 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: tangle that's slow in anything down for you, and that 433 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: you can just relax. If it's not your weekend up, 434 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: I double hope that for you, because it's not fun 435 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: to get caught up in. That kind of stuff can 436 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: be very stressful, so we hope everybody has the most 437 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: relaxing coming up a few days they possibly can, and 438 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,239 Speaker 1: everyone is good to one another. 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