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Listener discretion is advised. 8 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 3: We were trying to do our job as journalists, but 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: then we became part of the story, and I think 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 3: for a journalist, that's a terrible place to be as 11 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: part of the story. But there was no way to 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: get out of it. Because he enjoyed communicating with caketv 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 3: KTV was his favorite station. He had watched it since 14 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 3: he was a child. I have a postcard talking about 15 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: the communications which he wrote to Keke and it says. 16 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: I write this letter to you for the sake of 17 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: the taxpayer as well as your time. Those three dudes 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: you have in custody are just talking to get publicity 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: for the Otero murders. They know nothing at all. I 20 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: did it by myself and with no one's help. Ps. 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: Since sex criminals do not change their mo or by nature, 22 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: cannot do so. I will not change mine. The code 23 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: words for me will be bind them, torture them, kill them, 24 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: b t K. They will be on the next victim. 25 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: Someone killed four members of the family. 26 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 4: Had you vanished from her home suddenly last weekend? Her 27 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 4: phone lines had been cut, her door left open. 28 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 5: You see the victim playing there with plastic bags over 29 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 5: their heads, strangled. You could tell it was a plan scenario. 30 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 4: Well, police have said no more about the contents of 31 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 4: the letter. It does contain some sort of threat and 32 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: implies the killer may strike again. 33 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: He's gonna play with these victims. He'd get him to 34 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: the point of death and then bring them back and 35 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: then brings them back to the point of death. 36 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 6: From My Heart podcasts and Tenderfoot TV, I'm Susan Peters 37 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 6: and this is Monster BTK. In episode one, we covered 38 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 6: the brutal and tragic murders of the Otero family. On 39 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 6: January fifteenth, nineteen seventy four, BTK broke into the Otero 40 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 6: home on Edgemore Drive in Wichita, can He tied up 41 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 6: the parents, Joseph and Julie before strangling them. Then he 42 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 6: strangled their young son Joey, and hanged their daughter Josephine. 43 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 6: It was btk's first murder, and it hadn't gone smoothly. 44 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 6: The killer made many mistakes. He hadn't known the parents 45 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 6: would be home. His only intended target was young Josephine. 46 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 6: He feared he would be caught, but the police were 47 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 6: seemingly not on his trail. In the months following the 48 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 6: Otero murders, Dennis Rader obsessed over his work. He reveled 49 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 6: in the success of not getting caught, and he realized 50 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 6: just how much he enjoyed the thrill of killing. He 51 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 6: started training for his next kill. In the book Confession 52 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 6: of a Serial Killer, Rader says he started to get 53 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 6: in shape and he was inspired once again by something 54 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 6: he saw on TV. 55 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: I saw in a movie about a minotaur serial killer 56 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: toughening up the hands. I had a sports ball at home, 57 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: work in a vehicle to practice and exercise my hands. 58 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: Exercise with a handball helps blood circulation and to keep 59 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: the hands fit. There was excitement in trying something dangerous. 60 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: Then it happens, and afterward you wish it hadn't. It's 61 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: like playing in the quicksand there's fear and excitement, but 62 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: then you're stuck. 63 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 6: Raider was hungry. He wanted to try again. He thought 64 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 6: he could get it right. Next time. Shall be started 65 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 6: to prowl for his next project. 66 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: I believe in February or March the hunt began again. 67 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: I found it exciting to prowl a day or night. 68 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: It was very easy for me to spend a little 69 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: time after classes to prowl or day drive going to 70 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: classes worked well for me as a cover. I could 71 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: say I was at the library, or I could use 72 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: that time to prowl or stalk. 73 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 6: After looking around the Wichita State campus for weeks, Raider 74 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 6: finally found his next target. 75 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: So it was the day after classes or in between. 76 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: I spotted Bride arriving home with a friend, another female, 77 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: maybe a sister. She was at her mailbox. She fit 78 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: my fantasy profile, a co ed, dishwasher, blonde, small. I 79 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: saw her go in the house and I thought that's 80 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: a possibility. 81 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 6: Her name was Catherine Bright. Raider eventually discovered that she 82 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 6: lived nearby, at thirty two seventeen East thirteenth Street, less 83 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 6: than two miles from the Otto home. He named her 84 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 6: project Lights out Here again are Raider's words. 85 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: She became a true detective horror magazine hit Fantasy. Her 86 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: bedroom appeared to be in the center east. I was 87 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: planning on tying her up on the bed, either half 88 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: naked or totally. Then I would strangle her or suffocate her. 89 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: Her hands would be bound in front and tied to 90 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: her neck, like a true detective model I had seen. 91 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: I used to fantasize about women on the cover showing 92 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: terror in their eyes, bound hand up near her neck, 93 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: a man with a threatening knife overhead. 94 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 6: Just seventy nine days after the Otero murders, Dennis Rader 95 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 6: approached Bright's. 96 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 7: Home April four of nineteen seventy four. This was a 97 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 7: scene which isn't necessarily one that you would automatically assume 98 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 7: that it was connected to the ottos. My name is 99 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 7: Kevin O'Connor. I'm an assistant district attorney in Johnson County Now. 100 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 7: I was the deputy district attorney in witch Daw Sedgwick County, 101 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 7: Kansas during the Dennis Raider investigation. He was constantly trying 102 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 7: to trip the police up, so he was trying to 103 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 7: not connect it to the Otero's. Raider will break into 104 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 7: the house by smashing a window on the back, gaining entry. 105 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 7: He cleans up, and he waits. 106 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 6: Raider's plan was to force his way into Bright's home 107 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 6: by acting as a Wichita State student needing a quiet 108 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 6: place to study. But, as Kevin O'Connor says, there was 109 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 6: just one problem. 110 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 7: He is not anticipating that Catherine's brother, Kevin, will be 111 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 7: with her. Kevin Bright spent the night before with his 112 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 7: sister and there was snow, so he didn't go home. 113 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 6: Raider panicked. He improvised a fake story about how he 114 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 6: was a criminal on the run. 115 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 7: They will come back surprised by a and telling him 116 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 7: that he is on the run. He needs money in 117 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 7: a car, he needs a. 118 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: Little bit of food. 119 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 7: He will tell them they have the time to control them, 120 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 7: that they're not going to be heard. This crime goes 121 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 7: to hell in a handbasket pretty quickly. He loses control 122 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 7: of the situation. 123 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 6: Raider thought Catherine would be alone and easy to control. 124 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 6: For that reason, he brought no rope with him. He 125 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 6: had been planning to tie her up using pantyhose from 126 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 6: her dresser drawer. Pointing his gun at the siblings, he 127 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 6: marched them into the bedroom. In a rare CNN interview 128 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,239 Speaker 6: from two thousand and five, Kevin Bright went into detail 129 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 6: about what happened next. 130 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 8: And then he forced me to tie my sister up 131 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 8: in the front bedroom, and then he took me into 132 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 8: the other bedroom and tied me up and laid me 133 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 8: down on the floor on my stomaching nodded up stocking 134 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 8: and started strangling me, and I fought and broke loose 135 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 8: and jumped up on my feet. He pulled a gun 136 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 8: from his waistband, and I knew he was gonna shoot me, 137 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 8: and I grabbed hold of his hand and arm and 138 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 8: pushed it back into his stomach and got my hand 139 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 8: on the gun and the trigger pulled it twice, and 140 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 8: he didn't go off for some reason. He jerked it 141 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 8: away from me and shot me first time there, and 142 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 8: then I went to the ground, and anyway, he left 143 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 8: for a while. 144 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 6: With Kevin Bright seemingly dead, Rader went back for Catherine, 145 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 6: who was tied up in the other room. He tried 146 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 6: to strangle her, but she fought back once again. Rader 147 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 6: was losing control of the situation. Meanwhile, Kevin Bright had 148 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 6: to listen as his sister was being strangled to death 149 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 6: in the other room. 150 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 8: And then he came back and grabbed a hold of me, 151 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 8: and he started strangling me again, and I fought again. 152 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 8: He shot me in the second time. I played like 153 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 8: I was dead, and he left again. And then I 154 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 8: looked around the room to see if there was any 155 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 8: kind of weapon that I could use against him, and 156 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 8: there wasn't anything there, and I just decided to go 157 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 8: for help. And so I was about fifteen feet from 158 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 8: the front door, and I got up and I went 159 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 8: out the front door, and there's two guys across the street, 160 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 8: two men, and one of them taking me to the 161 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 8: hospital and the other one called the police. 162 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 6: After Kevin escaped, Raider panicked. He started stabbing Catherine with 163 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 6: a knife over and over to make sure she was dead. 164 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 6: The police reports say she was stabbed eleven times. Here 165 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 6: are raiders words from confession of a serial killer. 166 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: I had no intention of stabbing anyone. Happened because I 167 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: lost control. That created a mess of blood everywhere on 168 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: my hands, pants, shoes. I made a vow if I 169 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: ever again had to confront to kill, there would be 170 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: no knife. It was a total mess because I didn't 171 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: have control over it. 172 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 6: Raider had to move quickly after stabbing Catherine. 173 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: Since Kevin could id me. It wouldn't make a difference 174 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: if she was dead. I was afraid the police would 175 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: catch me or stop me. On Holyoake, I recalled that 176 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: I ran so hard and fast that my lungs hurt 177 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: for a day or two. Afterward from breathing the cold air. 178 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 6: Raider ran back to his car parked by the Wichita 179 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 6: State Campus. Catherine tried calling for help. 180 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 7: She's able to get to the phone. It's a wall 181 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 7: unit and the phone will be. 182 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: Off the hook. 183 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 7: That police report describing her and how that police officer 184 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 7: found her is heartbreaking as he describes her in trying 185 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 7: to breathe begging the police officer to help her. 186 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 6: The police report states that Officer Dennis Landon arrived at 187 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 6: the Bright home at two eight pm. Here's an excerpt 188 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 6: read by a voice actor. 189 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: Officer Landon approached the address of twenty three seventeen East 190 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: thirteenth Street and knocked at the screen door. The front 191 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: door was open. After receiving no response, Officer Landon looked 192 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: in through the open door and saw a female lying 193 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: in a pool of blood. The young woman was found 194 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: clutching a telephone in her hand. She was asked what happened, 195 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: but was unable to respond. When asked if she was hurt, 196 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: she pulled up a blouse, exposing her abdomen. The young 197 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: woman said she did not know her attacker. She was 198 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: able to give her name before beginning to pass out. 199 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: Officer Raymond Fletcher arrived and assisted in attending to Bright. 200 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: Upon his arrival, Officer Fletcher noticed that Bright was covered 201 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: in blood. In addition to the pool of blood underneath 202 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: her waist, Bright had blood on her hands, in her hair, 203 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: and on her face. Officer Fletcher noted that she was 204 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: bleeding from her left nostril and her face was badly bruised. 205 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: Bright grabbed Officer Fletcher's arm and repeated, I can't breathe 206 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: help me. 207 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 6: Both Kevin and Katherine were taken to Wesley Medical Center. 208 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 6: Kevin survived his gunshot wounds. However, his sister Catherine didn't 209 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 6: survive the attack. She died of her stab wounds just 210 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 6: a few hours later. Catherine was yet another innocent victim 211 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 6: of btk's malice. This one has always been difficult for 212 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 6: me to wrap my head around. Catherine was just a 213 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 6: college student looking forward to the next phase of her life. 214 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 6: To have that life cut short is a merciless injustice, 215 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 6: and for Kevin, the horror of remembering that dreadful day 216 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 6: was almost too much to bear. Even though he was 217 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 6: younger than his sister, he felt he should be the 218 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 6: protective brother, and when I was the first to interview 219 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 6: him thirty years later, the tears in his eyes were instant. 220 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 6: It still haunts him to this day that he could 221 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 6: not save his young sister's life. Last night, you and 222 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 6: your dad are talking, and thirty years later you're still 223 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 6: talking about what is Yeah, there's a reason for that. 224 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, because well, sister shouldn't die Hamon. I was pry 225 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 8: that she didn't suffer very much, you know, it was 226 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 8: last hours, I don't know. And this prayer for all 227 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 8: the families that you know they can have healing. God 228 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 8: knows every movement you're making and knows that you're going 229 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 8: to answer one day, and that he offers, you know, 230 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 8: he offers every one of us salvation. 231 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 6: For Katherine Bright, it was a terrible and tragic end 232 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 6: to a budding life, but for Rader, it was just 233 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 6: the beginning. Following the murder of Katherine Bright, Rader planned 234 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 6: his next move. Project lights Out had been a disaster. 235 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 6: Dennis returned home and tried to resume his normal family life, 236 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 6: but he couldn't shake the paranoia that his mistakes would 237 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 6: cost him. Here again are his words from the book 238 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 6: Confession of a Serial Killer. 239 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: When I saw the news releases about Bright, I knew 240 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: Kevin was now a survivor and able to tell Catherine 241 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: had died. Kevin had described me. I was worried about Kevin. 242 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: He was Catherine's brother, I learned. I thought of maybe 243 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: trying to hit on Kevin at some point. I never 244 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: could come up with a perfect plan. 245 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 6: On April twenty third, nineteen seventy four, just three weeks 246 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 6: after the attack on the Brites, police released a facial 247 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 6: composite of the suspect based on Kevin's description. This is 248 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 6: former Wichita Police Chief Richard Lamonian. 249 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 5: All he could tell us it was a male, a 250 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 5: white male, but he could not describe the individual. 251 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: He was very cooperative. 252 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 5: We had professional psychiatrist psychologists work with him. But again, 253 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 5: I really think he gave us all the information he 254 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 5: had because I don't think he really had an opportunity 255 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 5: to even see what was going on. 256 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 6: Raider, however, felt differently about Kevin's recollection. 257 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: He did give a fairly good description of me, and 258 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: I thought the picture in the newspaper was uncomfortably close 259 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: to me. But no one ever came for me. 260 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 6: According to Lemonion, police had a hard time connecting this 261 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 6: crime to the Otero murders. Both were so messy and strange. 262 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 6: The Bright killing was clearly so poorly planned that it 263 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 6: was tough to make heads or tails of. 264 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 5: We assumed at that particular moment that that's probably just 265 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 5: boyfriend love triangle. Who knows what it is. But it 266 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 5: was interrupted, so it was not connected at the time 267 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 5: to the Otero murders. In those days, we probably had 268 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 5: a homicide rate forty forty five a year, so no 269 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 5: homicides were not unusual, and we would clear ninety percent 270 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 5: of them, so a homicide like this would not have 271 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 5: drawn a serial killer type mentality back to it. 272 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 6: While police were struggling, Rader was relishing. In the chaos 273 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 6: and confusion. 274 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: As I gathered the news clippings on Catherine Bright, I 275 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: taped a picture from a detective magazine to one of 276 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: my Heidi Hole folders, the one that showed the girl 277 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: with her hands in front, the way I had wanted 278 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: to do with Bright. I kept Bright's clippings inside and 279 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: even wrote a story I believe, possibly of a fantasy 280 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: of her. The months slipped away, and I was pretty 281 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: sure I wasn't going to be caught for a lineup. 282 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 6: Rader had all sorts of these heidie holes in his home, 283 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 6: where he would keep tokens from his victims or store 284 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 6: his crew drawings and newspaper clippings. In July, six months 285 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 6: after the Otero murders, four people in their early twenties 286 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 6: were killed following a small dispute. It was the second 287 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 6: quadruple homicide that year. All of Wichita was shaken up. 288 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 6: Nineteen seventy four had thus far been a hard year 289 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 6: for violent crime. Police were scrambling to piece it all together. 290 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 6: Police finally got a breakthrough in the Otaro case. In 291 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 6: October of nineteen seventy four. 292 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 5: We had arrested a couple of brothers named Seabring who 293 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 5: admitted that they had killed the Otos. 294 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 6: Gary Seabring was arrested on charges for an unrelated sexual offense. 295 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 6: While being questioned, Seabrings started spewing about the Oto murders. 296 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 6: According to the book Inside the Mind of BTK by 297 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 6: John Douglas, Seabring would go on to tell police. 298 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 9: If I was doing the Otos, this is how I 299 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 9: would have done it. It would have been with my 300 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 9: brother and we would have tied them all up, and 301 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 9: my buddy Thomas Myers would have been with us. 302 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 6: This raised a few eyebrows, and the two brothers were 303 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 6: brought in his suspects in the Otero case. 304 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 5: Of course, the news media picks upon it, and we've 305 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 5: arrested the Otaro murderers and all things like that. 306 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 6: The people of which tah were ecstatic. They believed the 307 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 6: Otto murderer had been brought to justice. Seabring had a 308 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 6: criminal history involving the sexual assault of a minor. On 309 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 6: the surface, it seemed very plausible that he was the killer, 310 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 6: but police were skeptical of Sebring's knowledge of the case. 311 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 6: Investigators had Gary and his brother Ernest go through intense 312 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 6: psychological evaluations, and they determined both men were mentally unstable, 313 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 6: prone to lying and inventing false scenarios. Additionally, police Chief 314 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 6: Floyd Hannen determined that neither brother could be placed at 315 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 6: the scene of the Otero crime, and neither of them 316 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 6: fit the description the man who was seen leaving the 317 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 6: o'tara home. As for the friend, Thomas Myers, police had 318 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 6: trouble locating him at first, but after a week Myers 319 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 6: was brought into custody and also taken in for a 320 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 6: mental evaluation. Once again, the conclusion was clear. These men 321 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 6: were not responsible. 322 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 5: The Seabring brothers were just pedophiles. It's what they were, 323 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 5: and they had other problems that they had. They weren't murders. 324 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 6: Raiders saw the false confession on the news and he 325 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 6: was not happy about this development. 326 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 5: Once the media picked up on it, and then they 327 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 5: started putting information out that we had a suspect in 328 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 5: custody for it, that's what prompted it all. He didn't 329 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 5: want someone else taking credit for his job. 330 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: Since I was in the mood of highness and attention 331 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: as the newspaper ran the story on the three men, 332 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: I added it to my Heidi Hole folder on the oteros. 333 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: I wanted credit, not someone else. I also wanted taxpayers 334 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: not to spend endless dollars on false leads. 335 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 6: A few days after the Wichita Eagle published its story 336 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 6: about the Seabring brothers, Dennis Rader called the front desk 337 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 6: and asked to speak to Eagle columnist Don Granger. Here's 338 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 6: what Granger remembers hearing over the phone. 339 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: Listen and listen good. I'm only going to say this once. 340 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: There is a letter about the Oteo case in a 341 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: book in the public library. 342 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 6: Granger was freaked out. He immediately called the Wichita Police. 343 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 6: He told them that the caller had the voice of 344 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 6: a timid Midwestern man, but he couldn't make out anything else. 345 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 6: Wichita PD Officer Bernie Drowaski went to the library that 346 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 6: very day. He discovered up a duel your letter stuped 347 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 6: into a book titled Applied Engineering Mechanics. The letter was 348 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 6: riddled with misspellings and grammatical errors. Here is what it said, 349 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 6: edited for clarity. 350 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: Those three dudes you have in custody are just talking 351 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: to get publicity. They know nothing at all. I did 352 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: it by myself, with no one's help. I'm sorry this 353 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: happened to the society. It's hard to control myself. You 354 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: probably call me psychotic with sexual perversion. Hang up. Where 355 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: this monster entered my brain? I will never know, but 356 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: it's here to stay. How does one cure himself? If 357 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: you ask for help that you've killed four people, they 358 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: will laugh or hit the panic button and call the cops. 359 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: I can't stop it, so the monster goes on and 360 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: hurt me as well as society. Society can be thankful 361 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: that they're ways for people like me to relieve myself 362 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: at times by day dreams of some victim being tortured 363 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: and being mine. It's a big, complicated game. My friend 364 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: of the monster play putting victims down, following them, checking 365 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: up on them, waiting in the dark, wading, wagdhing. The 366 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: pressure is great, and sometimes he run the game to 367 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: his liking. Maybe you can stop him. I can't. He 368 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: has already chosen his next victim or victims. I don't 369 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: know who they are yet. The next day, after I 370 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: read the paper, I will know, but it will be 371 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: too late. Good luck hunting. 372 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 6: It was in this letter that the name BTK was born, 373 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 6: a three letter moniker that came to haunt which a 374 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 6: tall police. 375 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: Yours truly guilty ps. Since sex criminals do not change 376 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: their mo or by nature, cannot do so, I will 377 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: not change mine. The code words for me will be 378 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: bind them, torture them, kill them, BTK. They will be 379 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: on the next victim. 380 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 10: He considered himself to be among the elite serial killers, 381 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 10: and so he named himself BTK. 382 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 6: This is Catherine Ramsland, the forensic psychologist who wrote a 383 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 6: book with and about Dennis Rader. 384 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 10: He did not want to leave his name to chance 385 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 10: and get something stupid. He wanted a powerful name, and 386 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 10: it wasn't the only one. He gave them a few ideas, 387 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 10: but because he had created an image for the BTK 388 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 10: name as well, he stuck with that. He's one of 389 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 10: the few who told police and journalists, here's what you 390 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 10: should call me, and he enjoyed that. He enjoyed that 391 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 10: kind of cat and mouse game. 392 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: By using BTK, torture, fantasy, writing, drawing, and what I 393 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: had planned to do. I wrote my own criminal epithet. 394 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: If cocked, those words would hang me. 395 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 6: Carrie Rawson, Dennis Raider's daughter, talks about her father's lust 396 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 6: for notoriety. 397 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: He feeds off the fair because he wanted to be 398 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 4: remembered and known for what he had done. And he 399 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 4: talks about Ted and California and he's talking about son 400 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 4: of Sam. Well, He's in a smaller media market, so 401 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 4: he wasn't getting the coverage that Bundy or Sam was. 402 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 4: He wanted to be known and he didn't like that 403 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 4: these guys were taking credit and making it sound one 404 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: way when he knew the truth. So he writes into 405 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 4: the Eagle. It puts in a library book in the 406 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 4: public library where him I used to hang out all 407 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 4: the time. 408 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 6: Later on, Dennis Raider had the authority's attention. His plan 409 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 6: was working. 410 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 4: So he literally it's like giving them evidence because he's 411 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 4: such a narcissist and he's enjoying that game. 412 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 6: For Raider, the game was just getting started. The news 413 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 6: was settling on the police department. For the first time 414 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 6: in history, Wichita was dealing with a bona fide serial killer. 415 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 5: In the first phase of this, I'm thinking to myself, 416 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 5: what kind of a screwball is this? The fact is 417 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 5: he's hurting people. He's actually killing innocent people in our community. 418 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 5: Our job is to put him away, get him off 419 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 5: the street. And as you read these things, this is 420 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 5: like a movie script. Kept it's not a movie. It's 421 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 5: real people are dying. How can we resolve this? This 422 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 5: is going to be a long process and it's going 423 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 5: to take a lot of help. 424 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 6: Police were initially unsure about what to do with btk's letter. 425 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 6: They thought if they went public with it, the city 426 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 6: might go into a frenzy and then it might embolt 427 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 6: in BTK to kill again. 428 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 5: None of us had ever dealt with this. We reached 429 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 5: out to departments that had dealt with serial killers. We 430 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 5: reached out to the FBI, getting advice suggestions as to 431 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 5: how we might proceed. We reached out to professionals here 432 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 5: in Wichita and in the region, psychologists, psychiatrists to get advice, 433 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 5: to get direction as to what they had done, what 434 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 5: worked best for them, and what we might do in 435 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 5: the future. 436 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 6: It wasn't until a few days later that police came 437 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 6: up with a plan to respond to BTK. The response 438 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 6: came in the form of a personal ad in the 439 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 6: Wichita Eagle on October twenty seventh, calling on BTK to 440 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 6: reach out. 441 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 11: BTK Help is available call six four six six three 442 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 11: one two one before ten pm. 443 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 6: But the hotline never rang. On October thirty, First Eagle 444 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 6: columnist Don Granger ran his own article trying to get 445 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 6: btk's attention. 446 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,239 Speaker 12: For the past week, which Ada police have tried to 447 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 12: get in touch with a man who has important information 448 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 12: on the Otero murdered case, A man who needs help badly. 449 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 12: You may have noticed the classified ad that ran at 450 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 12: the top of our personal column Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday 451 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 12: and Tuesday. It read BTK help is available. There really 452 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 12: is a BTK. Police cannot say how they know, but 453 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 12: they are convinced BTK has information about the murder of 454 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 12: Joseph Vittero, his wife and two of his children. If 455 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 12: for any reason, BTK doesn't want to talk to police, 456 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 12: this newspaper's secret witness procedure is available. I will go further. 457 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 12: If BTK wants to call me at home, I can 458 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 12: be reached. 459 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 6: Granger's phone never rang either. On December eleventh, Wichita Sun 460 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 6: reporter Kathy Hinkle published the BTK letter after getting her 461 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 6: hands on it from an unnamed source. Finally, the words 462 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 6: of this bizarre killer, we're out there for everyone to see. 463 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 6: Police Chief Lloyd Hannen had this to say, you know, 464 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 6: Wichita beaconn article about btk's letter going. 465 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 12: Public, I think we've taken one hell of a risk 466 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 12: with the release of this letter. 467 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 11: He might have to go out and commit this offense 468 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 11: again to prove he committed this offense. 469 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 12: He's a sick man who needs help. 470 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 5: When this hit the news and it started picking up. 471 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 5: The whole community is afraid. I personally even had a 472 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 5: sister in law who was a single female. She's an adult, 473 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 5: but she's single, and she came out and lived with us. 474 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 5: She would not stay at her own home. 475 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 6: In fact, it was like this all across Wichita. People 476 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 6: were installing heavy locks on their doors, women stopped going 477 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 6: out alone. Everyone was scared. 478 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 5: I mean, it was a scary time for the community 479 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 5: and of course the department. I mean, you're getting all 480 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 5: kinds of heat. What are they trying to do to 481 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 5: resolve this? And we're doing everything that we possibly can, 482 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 5: but it's a fear factor. How do you reconcile that 483 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 5: if you're afraid of something you perceive you're afraid of it. 484 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 5: I can't give you enough reassurance that you're okay, because 485 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 5: you're not gonna believe it. The city actually came together, 486 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 5: I mean really did. Neighbor watching neighbor, everybody trying to 487 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 5: watch out for each other. What neighbor would come home 488 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 5: and call their other neighbor and say, hey, I'm home. 489 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 5: You know, I'm locking up. And we had a lot 490 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 5: of calls, suspicious character type calls, and of course the 491 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 5: beat officers are in tune with this. They're doing their 492 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 5: absolute best. They're stopping people. If you're in a neighborhood 493 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 5: and you're out somewhere, we don't know who you are, 494 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 5: you're gonna get stopped. 495 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 6: Police were under a ton of pressure. They knew they 496 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 6: had to catch the sky and fast, and the fact 497 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 6: that he had communicated was a good thing, albeit terrifying. 498 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 6: The letter meant they had a avenue to finding him. 499 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 5: The theory that we had was that if we can 500 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 5: communicate with him, he communicated with us. Obviously he's searching 501 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 5: for identification. He wants to be identified. The idea was 502 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 5: that if we can keep him communicating, because we know 503 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 5: he's fantasizing about what he's already done, and if we 504 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 5: can keep him occupied with that, perhaps there won't be 505 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 5: another victim. 506 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 6: But Rader was starting to realize he had put himself 507 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 6: at serious risk. He saw the newspaper article where the 508 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 6: BTK letter went public, He saw the law enforcement were 509 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 6: actively pursuing him, and he got spooked. So at the 510 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 6: end of nineteen seventy four, he cut off all communication 511 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 6: and he decided to lay low. Here are his words 512 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 6: from Confession of a Serial Killer. 513 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: I acted normal when Paul was present. I watched the 514 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: news with interest, but not overly. I read the paper, 515 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: but I did not cut out the articles until later. 516 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: I also became overly defensive. I watched the road outside 517 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: and had a loaded gun ready. I made sure our 518 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: locked windows were secure, probably like everyone else in Wichita. 519 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 6: In the summer of nineteen seventy five, with the BTK 520 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 6: paranoia still a buzz, Wichita police found a strange note 521 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 6: left at a crime scene. An elderly couple, John and 522 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 6: Emma Foster, were found stabbed to death in their home. 523 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 6: The mystery note left behind set off alarm bells. Police 524 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 6: Chief Floyd Hannon held a press conference just twenty four 525 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 6: hours later. The following excerpt comes from a Wichita Eagle 526 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 6: article dated July twenty ninth, nineteen seventy five. 527 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 13: Hannin said that the note was left at the scene. 528 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 13: The police don't know who wrote it. He emphasized there 529 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 13: was no reason to believe there was any connection between 530 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 13: the notes writer and the person who wrote a letter 531 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 13: to the Eagle Beacons secret Witness program. 532 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 6: In other words, this murder had nothing to do with BTK, 533 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 6: but it shows that everyone in Wichita was on edge 534 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 6: about the next BTK murder. They feared that any similar 535 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 6: incident might be his handiwork. Every new murder or sexual 536 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 6: assault was met with the question could this have been BTK? 537 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 6: But in truth Raider had started a new line of work, 538 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 6: becoming a father. His first child, a boy, was named 539 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 6: Brian Raider. But for Dennis, being a normal dad seemed impossible. 540 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 6: In his mind, existing just as an average family man 541 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 6: was unthinkable. He was different and he knew it, as 542 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 6: he himself admitted. 543 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: I love to hunt, prowling the streets looking for fair game. 544 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: The cat and mouse game gave me an adrenaline rush 545 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: or hi. 546 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 6: As he built one identity, the other started to fester underneath, 547 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 6: almost like juckal and Hyde. This was Dennis Raider, the 548 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 6: so called normal suburban dad versus BTK, the serial killer. 549 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 4: BTK is really more just another mask, using that to 550 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 4: power into rage and anger and controlling that into murder, 551 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 4: than to release that because it makes him feel better 552 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 4: about who he is. 553 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 6: Carrie Rawson, daughter of Dennis Raider, She says the two 554 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 6: versions of her dad are just sides up the same coin, 555 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 6: and one side comes out when it needs to, not like. 556 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 4: A bipolar thing. He's always this, he's always Dennis Raider, 557 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 4: he's always Dad, he's always BTK, and then he just 558 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 4: cubes and flips to show you what he wants you 559 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 4: to see. 560 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 6: Forensic psychologist Catherine Ramsland explains this phenomenon. 561 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 10: That is that whole cubing thing. It's a way to 562 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 10: not be completely connected in your sense of morality. I 563 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,959 Speaker 10: think each situation in which he found himself was real 564 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 10: to him, and he could easily live this double life 565 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 10: because the more intense, exciting experience was murdering people. But 566 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 10: he also had what he called social obligations family church, 567 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 10: he was president of his church, congregation, his job, he 568 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 10: had things that he had to look to as well, 569 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 10: and he took those seriously. I think from the outside 570 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 10: anybody might say, how seriously could that be, given how 571 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 10: he's really violating all of these things. I don't think 572 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 10: he thought of it as pretense at all. I think 573 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 10: he thought of it as that's what I need to 574 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 10: do for myself. That's my little secret. I enjoy it 575 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,439 Speaker 10: when I can do it, Otherwise I do this other thing. 576 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 6: In these early days of nineteen seventy seven, Rader was 577 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 6: still learning how to balance all of these conflicting emotions. 578 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 6: According to Carrie, he had trouble holding it all together. 579 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 6: Little things like chores and hobbies just weren't enough to 580 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 6: keep his mind off his fantasies. 581 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 4: Later on we learn he was literally throwing himself into 582 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 4: stuff to distract him from murder. He needed to be 583 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 4: outside he could get uptid and angry and difficult and 584 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 4: controlling inside. 585 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 6: While Rader was struggling with his identity crisis, the people 586 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 6: of Wichita were wondering what happened to be tk newly 587 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 6: appointed police chief. Richard Lemonion was one of them. 588 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 5: In nineteen seventy six, I was appointed as police chief. 589 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 5: I was thirty six years old. I was the youngest 590 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 5: police chief in the history of the department on major 591 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 5: cases like this. Here, the investigators briefed me on everything 592 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 5: that we had, and then I had a much better 593 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 5: understanding of what evidence we did have, what was available 594 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 5: to us, and where they were in their investigation. And 595 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 5: at that particular time, they were pretty much at a 596 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 5: dead end. We hadn't heard from him for a long time, 597 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 5: and you know, their thinking is maybe he's gone, maybe 598 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 5: he's dead, maybe he's in prison. They literally had followed 599 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 5: every lead that they could humanly follow, and I remember 600 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 5: we were getting advice from the FBI and others that 601 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 5: if he was alive, he was still killing. If he 602 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 5: wasn't still killing, then he he was still fantasizing. 603 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 6: It took him years, years of waiting, planning, thinking of 604 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 6: ways to do it better. But finally, in nineteen seventy seven, 605 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 6: three years since his last murder, someone caught his eye. 606 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: She was completely random. There was actually someone across from 607 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: Dylan's who might have been the potential. It was called 608 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: Project green or Greenwood. I had met this girl, I 609 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: think at WSU. I knew where she lived. 610 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 6: Dylan's was a nearby supermarket. He spotted her and followed 611 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 6: her home multiple times. He decided he was ready she 612 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 6: was the one. On March seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven, he 613 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 6: approached her door and something unexpected happened. 614 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 1: I know, but nobody answered. While I was walking away 615 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,439 Speaker 1: from the intended house, I saw a young boy coming 616 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: back from Dylan's. I figured he had a mother in 617 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 1: the house. I watched where he went, and then I 618 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: went to the door and knocked. The boy opened the 619 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: door with his brother. 620 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 3: My name is Steve Ralford. 621 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 5: I'm gonna be k K Shurbiv Danish writer Right my 622 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 5: mom knocking Kevin seven? 623 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 6: Next time on Monster bet K, there's a. 624 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 5: Crack any door whare look out him? 625 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: A mom Pleton. She told the kids to do whatever 626 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: I said. I tied the door shut, but the kids 627 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: were still yelling. 628 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 5: The big thing that weighs on you is the fact 629 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 5: that this is gonna happen again. 630 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 3: He's going to determine whether or not you're gonna live, when. 631 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 9: You're gonna die. 632 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 3: He's gonna play with these victims. There's no manuel written 633 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 3: on how to react when you become part of the story. 634 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 5: When we announced the fact that we did as serial killer, 635 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 5: we had a hundred tips. 636 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 4: He's making your life uncomfortable. 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