Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.
Speaker 2: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 1: And when I find my ball in a brid.
Speaker 3: Egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida egg, fridagg
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Speaker 2: I'm about ready to run off the golf course.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 4: Andy Johnson. Today we are going to preview this year's
Speaker 4: second major championship, the PGA Championship.
Speaker 2: At aronom ink Uh. It will be it will be
Speaker 2: an awesome event.
Speaker 4: I think it will be the first time in a
Speaker 4: while that we've seen all the PGA Tour players playing
Speaker 4: at the same time since the Masters. It'll be an
Speaker 4: interesting week with with Bryson and Bram entering back into
Speaker 4: the mix with corrupt golf media as some would call it.
Speaker 4: But today I have joined We're going to do a
Speaker 4: little adaptation. We usually do five things with one guest,
Speaker 4: so we get ten things.
Speaker 2: This time, I'm.
Speaker 4: Joined by our friend at Friday Golf, Kevin van Valkenberg
Speaker 4: and Joseph Lamania. We're each going to do three things,
Speaker 4: so we'll get nine. But I have a feeling we're
Speaker 4: going to find the bonus tenth storyline in the easter
Speaker 4: eggs there, so we will get to ten. I promise
Speaker 4: you we will get to ten. I don't know who
Speaker 4: will bring the fourth storyline though, that's a it's a
Speaker 4: storyline to watch within the podcast. Before we get to
Speaker 4: our preview for the PGA Championship at ARONOMYK, let's talk
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Speaker 4: Kevin Joseph, welcome on back back to back weeks. I
Speaker 4: feel like, are you guys gonna ask for a you know,
Speaker 4: a day off just for for rest, Like like the NBA.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip the next signature event podcast, Andy, I
Speaker 1: just I don't doesn't help me prepare for the majors.
Speaker 1: I'm here, you know, out of obligation. No, we're I
Speaker 1: love coming and talking to golf with you guys, so
Speaker 1: I'll always be here as long as we continue to
Speaker 1: get the invitation.
Speaker 3: I'm with Kevin. I think next signature event gonna skip
Speaker 3: probably gonna skip Memphis maybe as well, and just start
Speaker 3: going into major preparation schedule. So this is fine. But yeah,
Speaker 3: if we do this back to back during the regular season,
Speaker 3: especially non signature, then we're gonna start to have a problem.
Speaker 4: So you're saying that we can't do a weekly one
Speaker 4: during the during the playoffs.
Speaker 1: No, some are saying you have an unfair advantage, Andy,
Speaker 1: because you have another podcast that you'd let you prepare
Speaker 1: for this podcast all the time. Just and I have
Speaker 1: to come in cold. We're like the you know, the
Speaker 1: rookies who just get a gut all right to do
Speaker 1: Augusta for the first time. It's disgusting behavior by you
Speaker 1: to just practice a lot.
Speaker 4: I would say that with my recent life schedule, some
Speaker 4: of the stuff that's been thrown at me lately, I
Speaker 4: think you guys have a big advantage right now on me.
Speaker 4: Uh So, anyways, I think that'll all clear up this
Speaker 4: week and uh and I'm looking forward to a lot
Speaker 4: of hours on the open road.
Speaker 1: I'll be boots on the ground at the PGA, so
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see if we can test out some
Speaker 1: of these theories I'm about to throw out in person,
Speaker 1: you know, bounce them off people there and there, hopefully
Speaker 1: be popping on regularly to discuss what I see and
Speaker 1: what I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the reins. I'm gonna lead off here.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna kind of drop a grenade in the
Speaker 4: hole here and see what see how we come out
Speaker 4: of it. But anyways, my first thing to watch is, uh,
Speaker 4: it feels it feels like the PGA over the last
Speaker 4: five years has.
Speaker 2: Significantly damaged its own brand. This was a organization that,
Speaker 2: you know, while while they were are always.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, grasping for branding Glory's last shot, you know,
Speaker 4: they they had always had this major status in this
Speaker 4: elevated you know, status above you know, any PGA tour event.
Speaker 4: I feel like the PGA of America with issues with
Speaker 4: its leadership, notably in the last two years. You'll notice
Speaker 4: that the the sitting PGA president is not going to
Speaker 4: be there venue selection. Everybody's already dunking on Frisco. I
Speaker 4: just have to say, Frisco is so much better than
Speaker 4: Quail Hollow and Valhalla and Belle Reeve, Like, I would
Speaker 4: rather watch a major personally at at Frisco than Okill.
Speaker 4: But anyways, they have done irreparable damage to themselves. Maybe
Speaker 4: maybe not irreparable, that's maybe a bridge to but they
Speaker 4: have done significant damage to themselves in the recent years.
Speaker 4: And I think they need a really good tournament, a
Speaker 4: really good showing this week between you know, some Ryder
Speaker 4: Cup drama, you know, mishaps. Obviously Bethpage was a disaster
Speaker 4: on many fronts. They need to have a good, good
Speaker 4: PGA Championship. I am a big believer in the new
Speaker 4: leadership that they brought in. I think this is going
Speaker 4: to be kind of a foot in the ground moment,
Speaker 4: and I think that if they can, they what they
Speaker 4: need to do is they just have to stop the
Speaker 4: negative pr right now for the PGA Championship. I think
Speaker 4: the deal with with the PGA Tour that moved this
Speaker 4: tournament to May has been a disaster for them. It's
Speaker 4: like it's basically an afterthought in this schedule, and it's
Speaker 4: a major championship.
Speaker 2: So I would just say.
Speaker 4: I think from this is a really important tournament for
Speaker 4: the PGA of America's brand, and I am I think
Speaker 4: this new leadership, new regime has a lot of good
Speaker 4: ideas and I hope to see some of them start
Speaker 4: to bear out as as we move forward from this event.
Speaker 2: How do you guys feel about the PGA right now?
Speaker 1: I would echo all that Andy, I would say, maybe
Speaker 1: starting with don't arrest one of the top five players
Speaker 1: in the game because you can't get the traffic pattern
Speaker 1: right in the sort of way into the tournament. Maybe,
Speaker 1: like that's a pretty basic thing, like letting players like
Speaker 1: have a specific lane that they can drive into.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're kind of gillus, you know.
Speaker 4: I feel like we could blame the Louisville PD more
Speaker 4: so than Gillis or.
Speaker 1: As someone who was there, though, I would say that
Speaker 1: the traffic pattern leading in was a mess. So I
Speaker 1: don't know that it was entirely Gillis's fault. Certainly Gillis
Speaker 1: played a huge role in that. I think just generally
Speaker 1: like kind of uninspired overall, branding. I'm always as someone
Speaker 1: who likes history and likes to think about like past
Speaker 1: championships and venues. They have the worst archival stuff when
Speaker 1: it comes to looking up old championships. So if you
Speaker 1: don't value your own history, how is someone going to
Speaker 1: value your present. I always feel like that's a good
Speaker 1: example of like just a simple thing, like you know,
Speaker 1: Joseph and I went back at the Masters and watched
Speaker 1: like dozens and dozens of old masters to come up
Speaker 1: with the greatest shots of all time. There's no way
Speaker 1: we could do that with the PGA because they just
Speaker 1: don't make those things available. And you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: one of those people who think like it really should
Speaker 1: go back to match play. I think that's probably a
Speaker 1: little bit of an unrealistic pie in the sky sort
Speaker 1: of wish, but it does need something that that helps
Speaker 1: it sort of stand out. I mean, Andy, what I'm
Speaker 1: hearing from you is that the last great PGA was Kiwa,
Speaker 1: where Phil you know, walked walked out of the water
Speaker 1: and into history. So you know, if that's the way
Speaker 1: we have to sort of say it, then so be it.
Speaker 4: I I was hoping to actually dive in and rewatch
Speaker 4: the Balta strawl. Jimmy Walker when this week, but it
Speaker 4: wasn't available on YouTube, so I couldn't couldn't go back
Speaker 4: into the memories for that one I was there.
Speaker 1: I feel like I was the only person of like
Speaker 1: young ish golf media. I think I was still in
Speaker 1: my mid thirties at the time, and man, it was
Speaker 1: probably the worst major I've ever covered my entire career.
Speaker 1: It rained the entire time. You know, they had to
Speaker 1: play like thirty six on Sunday. It was really, really,
Speaker 1: really bad.
Speaker 2: Joseph, how are you feeling them about the PGA.
Speaker 3: I'm worried because you said we need an extra storyline
Speaker 3: to get us to ten. One of mine was the
Speaker 3: new era of the PGA of America, so we may
Speaker 3: need two more. Andy, you're taking one of my three things.
Speaker 3: I think to your point, Andy, we've gotten to a
Speaker 3: place where everyone kind of acknowledges that the PGA Championship
Speaker 3: is the least prestigious of the four majors. I don't
Speaker 3: think a single golfer would argue otherwise, maybe outside of
Speaker 3: Justin Thomas, who has won two of them, and his
Speaker 3: father's a PGA pro, so maybe he would put up
Speaker 3: a little bit of a defense. I think between Monday
Speaker 3: and Saturday, the most important moment of this tournament is
Speaker 3: going to be the PGA of America press conference. Didn't
Speaker 3: go amazingly last year. I think a storyline to watch
Speaker 3: there is do they change their tune on an equipment rollback.
Speaker 3: I think that's an interesting game within the game. Andy.
Speaker 3: On Friday, we had an Adam shuepack article come out,
Speaker 3: which is always a delight, and some PGA Tour players
Speaker 3: are kind of doubling down on their opposition to an
Speaker 3: equipment rollback. Maybe they feel emboldened a little bit by
Speaker 3: Live kind of going in the wrong direction, and some
Speaker 3: PGA Tour players are getting chesty again this time about
Speaker 3: the rollback. But historically, or at least over the past few years,
Speaker 3: the PGA of America has maintained a sort of an
Speaker 3: anti rollback position. Now we have new leadership, as you
Speaker 3: have mentioned, and I think it could be an opportunity.
Speaker 3: Not that if they come out as pro rollback, it
Speaker 3: elevates the status of their major championship, as much as
Speaker 3: I would love to argue that as somebody who believes
Speaker 3: in a rollback, but I do think they could align
Speaker 3: themselves a little more strategically with the other major governing
Speaker 3: bodies and if they were to have a little bit
Speaker 3: of a stronger relationship probably there And as you've mentioned, Andy,
Speaker 3: I think swapping their championship back to August at some
Speaker 3: point would be both tremendously beneficial for the PGA and
Speaker 3: also for the PGA Tour. I think that'd be a
Speaker 3: win for both products. I don't know that we're going
Speaker 3: to get any kind of announcement of that sort this week.
Speaker 3: Feels like that would be a long off type of INITIATI,
Speaker 3: but they do need to brainstorm ways to elevate the championship.
Speaker 3: And I don't think venue selection. Venues are pretty limited
Speaker 3: in May, like we could get dicey weather we went
Speaker 3: to Oak Hill, that was going to be a concern.
Speaker 3: I think this upcoming week it'll be a little bit
Speaker 3: of a concern.
Speaker 2: In Philly.
Speaker 3: You're pushing the limits a little bit of when you
Speaker 3: can host a championship. I'm not overly concerned about the
Speaker 3: weather in Philly, but it could be a it could
Speaker 3: be a bad weather week for I mean, anyway, August
Speaker 3: could be two. But it does feel like August makes
Speaker 3: a lot more sense. So I'm still I'm really excited
Speaker 3: for this tournament, but I agree with you that the
Speaker 3: prestige of this championship has been damaged over the past
Speaker 3: few years, and they've got to be in brainstorming mode
Speaker 3: under this new regime of how you restore that prestige.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just from a venue standpoint, I think like
Speaker 4: if you're if you're picking, you know, the inevitably the
Speaker 4: PGA is picking up scraps from the us GA. The
Speaker 4: USCA gets the best venues in America. And if this
Speaker 4: tournament stays in a mayor before our international audience screams
Speaker 4: that it should not be in America, I don't disagree.
Speaker 4: But it is conducted by the Professional Golfers Association of America,
Speaker 4: so that is one barrier to it going. But as
Speaker 4: it currently stands, if you are trying to pick off venues,
Speaker 4: there are significantly more really good venues that the USGA
Speaker 4: does not go to in the Pacific, Northwest, the Upper
Speaker 4: Midwest and Northeast and all of those areas, and then
Speaker 4: also yeah, like the whole Ross Belt also, but all
Speaker 4: those areas our benefit better to host in August than
Speaker 4: May not. To mention the other aspect of this is
Speaker 4: we're barely coming off the Masters, and you don't get
Speaker 4: a lot of buzz because you're on the backside of
Speaker 4: the biggest tournament of the year and sandwich between the
Speaker 4: biggest tournament of the year and the National Open of
Speaker 4: the US. So if you're talking about just specifically US buzz,
Speaker 4: it is just a very difficult spot to be in.
Speaker 2: So who's up next? Who wants to go? Who wants
Speaker 2: to throw one in here?
Speaker 3: Goo ahead, Kevin?
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna say I want to throw out
Speaker 1: a question. What are we to make of what Justin
Speaker 1: Rose is doing? You know, number five player in the
Speaker 1: world kind of really in an important moment in his
Speaker 1: career in terms of like solidifying his legacy. Two majors
Speaker 1: would do a lot for Justin Rose. I think as
Speaker 1: the way that we view him through history, one major
Speaker 1: doesn't really feel like enough for how good he's been.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's been in multiple you know, playoffs with the Masters,
Speaker 1: but I really feel like why now, Like, obviously you
Speaker 1: need to maximize your value, and so you feel like
Speaker 1: switching clubs at this moment, might you know, do that
Speaker 1: you have an equity piece in McLaren sort of moving forward.
Speaker 1: You're you're hoping to kind of this will be part
Speaker 1: of your next stage in life and golf with you know,
Speaker 1: these will be kind of a luxury brand of irons
Speaker 1: that people will look at and want to play and
Speaker 1: want to be a part of. But man, like you
Speaker 1: sure are potentially like sacrificing your last great chances to
Speaker 1: win a major. I mean, at the twenty eighteen BMW,
Speaker 1: the last time we went to ronom Ink, Justin Rose
Speaker 1: ended up in a playoff with Kegan Bradley. So this
Speaker 1: course obviously suits him pretty darn well in terms of
Speaker 1: suiting his eye and just being able to make shots.
Speaker 1: You know, that's eight years is a long time ago,
Speaker 1: but Justin Rose is still a really good player. We've
Speaker 1: already been through this once. The Hawma experiment didn't work.
Speaker 1: I don't really like to get deep into the gearhead
Speaker 1: stuff because I feel like some of it is kind
Speaker 1: of overblown. So I don't know that I'll necessarily put
Speaker 1: a ton of stock into him playing poorly right away
Speaker 1: with these irons. But man, it just seems like in
Speaker 1: the middle of the season, when you've already played pretty
Speaker 1: darn well at the first major of the year that
Speaker 1: you are risking so much in terms of what you
Speaker 1: could potentially do by just switching up irons and saying, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I see, I see, the numbers look a lot better
Speaker 1: on the range.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: The range is not the course. The range is not
Speaker 1: hitting shots under the gun, and I just it baffles
Speaker 1: me why he would do this after already having done
Speaker 1: this once. I mean, when he was the number two
Speaker 1: player in the world when he switched in twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: to the HaUma clubs and he ended up falling all
Speaker 1: the way outside the top fifteen, and then he fell
Speaker 1: further like after that, and it's taken him a while
Speaker 1: to sort of come back and become the player that
Speaker 1: he is again. But it just I'm really baffled by it.
Speaker 3: I think at this point his career, Justin Rose needs
Speaker 3: every edge possible and so it does feel like throwing
Speaker 3: some new variable in at this stage of his career.
Speaker 3: It just feels like somebody who's trying to cash out.
Speaker 3: And that doesn't seem to be the way that Justin
Speaker 3: Rose has positioned a lot of his career, at least recently. Yes,
Speaker 3: there was the Hanma experiment, but I mean he talked
Speaker 3: about not going to live, and there was some smoke
Speaker 3: around him going to live, and at least his spin
Speaker 3: on it was that he was prioritizing the major championships.
Speaker 3: And to your point, Kevin, this doesn't feel like a
Speaker 3: decision that aligns with those priorities. Since he's gone to
Speaker 3: the McLaren Irons, finished almost dead last, it's a rale
Speaker 3: and he's not playing well again this week at Quail Hollow.
Speaker 3: So I am with you. I guess from the main
Speaker 3: question would be how different are these irons than what
Speaker 3: he was already playing with, how much experimentation was he doing?
Speaker 3: But but to your point, you don't know until you're
Speaker 3: on the golf course. I think we could look back
Speaker 3: on this as Justin Rose squandering the last remaining major
Speaker 3: chances that he had. And if we're being realistic, he's
Speaker 3: almost forty six years old. I know Phil one late,
Speaker 3: but that's such an outlier for one of the best
Speaker 3: players of all time. I think Justin Rose has about
Speaker 3: seven more cracks at a major championship, probably has one
Speaker 3: more crack at playing in a Ryder Cup. I think
Speaker 3: it's pretty it would be pretty absurd that he'd be
Speaker 3: playing anywhere beyond a dar manor so it feels I
Speaker 3: don't want to say reckless, but it feels like somebody
Speaker 3: who's capitalizing on some good play, exchanging that good play
Speaker 3: for a big paycheck and not prioritizing major championships above everything.
Speaker 3: So I think three weeks ago you would have thought
Speaker 3: Justin Rose has a realistic chance at winning this PGA.
Speaker 3: Now I don't think too many people are considering him
Speaker 3: a strong threat. And the only variable that's really changed
Speaker 3: there are the McLaren Irons.
Speaker 2: I would like to say I think it.
Speaker 4: There hasn't been enough time for me to say that
Speaker 4: it's the Irons. From what I gather, it's pretty much
Speaker 4: the identical iron with just a different different brand on it.
Speaker 4: Say take what you want with that, but and and
Speaker 4: why you should buy the McLaren Irons.
Speaker 2: But I think what's being.
Speaker 4: The the irons are like the easy thing to look at.
Speaker 4: I don't like the poor play could come down to
Speaker 4: like he just went through a second consecutive gut wrenching
Speaker 4: loss at the Masters, and maybe this is just like
Speaker 4: really him struggling to come out of that. And I
Speaker 4: don't think that's like an insane other theory here where
Speaker 4: like he put so much into that that masters got
Speaker 4: himself right in the mix of where it was like
Speaker 4: he's gonna win and this is just continuation of that
Speaker 4: back nine on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think, you know, the number
Speaker 1: that we have to sort of judge whether it's they's
Speaker 1: irons or not as very small. It could just be
Speaker 1: sort of some noise in it. But I also think
Speaker 1: of like golf clubs for at this level, like I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell the difference between tailor made irons, McLaren irons, whatever,
Speaker 1: tylist irons. But it's sort of like a musician, like
Speaker 1: if you have a guitar that you love and you
Speaker 1: know exactly how the pitch is and exactly how it
Speaker 1: feels in your hands, and someone's like, oh, I built
Speaker 1: you the exact same guitar, I don't think I think
Speaker 1: every single musician would be like, yeah, it's not quite
Speaker 1: the same. There's just something that is a little different
Speaker 1: to me. So I don't always buy the argument at
Speaker 1: this top level that the irons are just the same.
Speaker 1: You just print, you know, print a Nike stamp on
Speaker 1: the mirias, or you just print a you know the
Speaker 1: same irons from Colbra that you would have had with titleists,
Speaker 1: Like I just am skeptical of that, and maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I hope Justin Rose proves me wrong. I hope he
Speaker 1: does have one last push in him because I think
Speaker 1: he's been a historically important player, and I think him
Speaker 1: winning a second major would feel right in terms of
Speaker 1: his talent and his contributions to this era.
Speaker 3: I think again to your point in yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 3: that they're very similar. But yeah, like Kevin saying, if
Speaker 3: there's anything that's even a little bit different, I just
Speaker 3: don't think Justin Rose has any margin that he can
Speaker 3: afford at this point. Like at that age, what we
Speaker 3: saw from Rose last year in twenty twenty five was
Speaker 3: inconsistency with really high peaks. He was able to summon
Speaker 3: these monster performances at the times that he needed them
Speaker 3: the most. And I just wonder if this change disrupts
Speaker 3: any of that flow to Kevin's whether it's a guitar
Speaker 3: or seven iron. Is Justin Roe standing over a ball
Speaker 3: in the fairway right now with total confidence because he's
Speaker 3: been a little bit more demonstrative on the golf course
Speaker 3: in the last two tournaments, there have been a couple
Speaker 3: social media clips of him like not exactly sure how
Speaker 3: the ball is reacting, whether you want to attribute that
Speaker 3: to the Irons or not. I just feel like changing
Speaker 3: gear in the middle of a major season is more
Speaker 3: of a marketing effort than it is an optimization play.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm just trying to add another layer to the
Speaker 4: to the to the to the debate here that's.
Speaker 2: Not being talked about and is very real.
Speaker 4: Like would be really, I think it would be extremely
Speaker 4: hard to get over what happened.
Speaker 2: I think it's almost hard. I think it actually is.
Speaker 4: Harder to get over this year than it was to
Speaker 4: get over last year because he had the tournament this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, almost coming up short in the Masters might
Speaker 1: have changed the trajectory of Maxhoma's career. Key was a
Speaker 1: really good player in that moment. Hits a bad shot
Speaker 1: on twelve. Has never really been the same player since,
Speaker 1: and I think that that heartache is probably more to
Speaker 1: do than with things than switching clubs, which he did
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: That was apparently Tommy Fleetwood had taken the Travelers lost
Speaker 3: pretty hard last year, and some people had thought that
Speaker 3: that was influencing his next few weeks.
Speaker 2: So I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think a little bit of a heartbreak hangover
Speaker 3: is an unfair narrative to throw out. Can I go
Speaker 3: with my second one?
Speaker 2: Andy? Oh yeah, you're up, You're surf all right.
Speaker 3: I think there's a big three in golf right now,
Speaker 3: and that you could make the case that Scotty Scheffler,
Speaker 3: Rory McElroy or Cam Young is the best golfer in
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 2: I was Cam Young propaganda was coming.
Speaker 1: I think this is clearheaded, this is not got a
Speaker 1: warranted Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Scotty Scheffler, no matter what happens next week, should be
Speaker 3: considered the best play in the world. I think willing
Speaker 3: to say that even if he finishes T forty and
Speaker 3: Cam or Rory wins by eight. But you could make
Speaker 3: a good faith case that, especially with what Cam has
Speaker 3: done on the golf course in twenty twenty six, or
Speaker 3: even going back to the Ryder Cup, there's a case
Speaker 3: to be made that he's playing better than anybody else.
Speaker 3: It's not a particularly hard case to make. Rory wins
Speaker 3: the Masters with what I would describe as his B
Speaker 3: or B plus game. I think there's a level headed
Speaker 3: take that Rory McElroy, you know, all these other golfers
Speaker 3: come and go year and in year out. The only
Speaker 3: thing you can count on is Rordy McElroy being a
Speaker 3: top five player in the world, which might be true
Speaker 3: of Scotty we'll see five years from now. But I
Speaker 3: think there's a reasonable take that if Rory wins next week,
Speaker 3: there will at least be some smoke that he's the
Speaker 3: best player in the world. So I think it should
Speaker 3: be just take a long view. Scotty Scheffler's the best
Speaker 3: player in the world regardless of what happens next week,
Speaker 3: and there's a good chance he's coming off three runners up.
Speaker 3: Scotty could win at Irana make it's a good setup
Speaker 3: for him. I don't have a lot of skeptic say
Speaker 3: around Scotty other than that he hasn't been quite as
Speaker 3: good as he was the past few years at this point,
Speaker 3: at least at this point in the season, we've seen
Speaker 3: a few more cracks in the foundation that we're accustomed to.
Speaker 3: But I could see I mean, if Cam Young walks
Speaker 3: off Aroun him inc on Sunday with a multi shot
Speaker 3: win as he wanted to row by six recording during
Speaker 3: Quail Hollow, he might win this tournament again, is it
Speaker 3: crazy to say that he's the best player in the
Speaker 3: world if he wins the PGA.
Speaker 1: I have come around to your camp, Joseph. I used
Speaker 1: to think maybe during the Ryder Cup that some of
Speaker 1: this talk from you and PJ was Cam Young propaganda,
Speaker 1: and now I am among the converted. I think that
Speaker 1: you have a really good case if, particularly if he
Speaker 1: wins this week, that he has truly become a different
Speaker 1: player and probably is going to sustain that level and
Speaker 1: be someone who contends all the time in majors like
Speaker 1: it's He's proven it over the last six months, and
Speaker 1: he just has skills that was particularly with the driver,
Speaker 1: that other players do not have, and that is such
Speaker 1: an enormous weapon. I don't think he can discount any
Speaker 1: bit of like what has happened. He's been doing it
Speaker 1: on big ballparks, on different types of courses, and you know,
Speaker 1: I would love to see him stare down Rory and
Speaker 1: Scotty and basically say be like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: am one of you now, and I am going to
Speaker 1: be here for as long as you are and maybe longer.
Speaker 2: I had on my list.
Speaker 4: You know, I felt like the last year and a
Speaker 4: half or so since Xander won, we didn't have a
Speaker 4: great like best golfer without a major, Like people would
Speaker 4: be like, oh, it's Tommy Fleetwood and it's like, ah,
Speaker 4: like that doesn't hit like Phil Ncholson. That doesn't hit
Speaker 4: like a lot of like people in the past that
Speaker 4: we've had that moniker for. And my question was gonna
Speaker 4: be is has Cameron Young gotten to that level of
Speaker 4: the best player without a major, like de facto best
Speaker 4: player without a major? And I think like people are
Speaker 4: gonna be like whoa, whoa recncy bias, like, oh, he's
Speaker 4: only done this for nine months, but the major record,
Speaker 4: He's been doing it in majors his whole career. Where
Speaker 4: he's been, he's had really good chances to win majors,
Speaker 4: And obviously the best chance to win a major probably
Speaker 4: is the Masters. Maybe it's the Open that Brian Harmon
Speaker 4: waggled his way to. You could you could point to
Speaker 4: that as well, where he literally I think he let
Speaker 4: was like way out first in strokes, gained off the
Speaker 4: tee and approach and just was so bad putting that
Speaker 4: you know, if he had had just a mediocre week,
Speaker 4: he would have been right in the mix. So Anyways,
Speaker 4: I listen, it's it's always gonna be cam Young propaganda
Speaker 4: from you, Joseph. It's you know, it's just I will
Speaker 4: always call it that. But it feels less like propaganda
Speaker 4: than ever before.
Speaker 1: I like Andy that we've we've been in golf media
Speaker 1: long enough now where like the Rory propaganda that we
Speaker 1: used to put out has evolved, and now the Camp
Speaker 1: the next generation has their propaganda to put forth about,
Speaker 1: Like we used to think that Rory should win every major,
Speaker 1: and now the younger kids think that Camp should win
Speaker 1: every major, and I'm proud of them for finding their
Speaker 1: own Rory.
Speaker 3: This is Look, at one point it may have been propaganda.
Speaker 3: It is no longer propaganda. I think to your point, Andy,
Speaker 3: about his major record, you're talking about some of the
Speaker 3: best chances he's had and didn't even mention that he
Speaker 3: was one off at Saint Andrews and one off at
Speaker 3: Southern Hills. He was one out of that playoff. And
Speaker 3: I think something you see when guys prove early on
Speaker 3: in their major championship careers that they belong generally down
Speaker 3: the line, they get it across the finish. You could
Speaker 3: point to some who haven't, but you could point to
Speaker 3: somebody like Xander Schoffley, who may not have won a
Speaker 3: bunch on tour right away, but he proved in major
Speaker 3: championships right away with top tens that he was among
Speaker 3: the best players in the world. I think even like
Speaker 3: Chris got her up, he's not one of my people.
Speaker 3: He's not one of my three storylines. But his performance
Speaker 3: last year at the Open and taking Scotty, you know,
Speaker 3: not all the way to the finish line, but pretty
Speaker 3: far into that tournament is probably a signal of what's
Speaker 3: to come in Chris Goddrup's career, that he belongs in
Speaker 3: major championships, and Cam has done that from the beginning.
Speaker 3: I don't have this in front of me, but Cam
Speaker 3: wanted to row by six and at the window at six.
Speaker 3: How many golfers in the world have won by four
Speaker 3: or more shots in the last three years, I'd have
Speaker 3: to imagine it's only Cam and Scotty. So I think
Speaker 3: that kind of upside that I can blow a field out,
Speaker 3: I can prove to all the best golfers in the
Speaker 3: world that there was nobody else that was going to
Speaker 3: win this week is unique to Cam and probably Scotty
Speaker 3: and Rory is the only guys that can do that
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's a huge talent.
Speaker 4: I would I'd like to see a little bit thicker
Speaker 4: file before I put him into the top top three
Speaker 4: with a bullet in the world. The file, the file
Speaker 4: needs to get just a little thicker for me, and
Speaker 4: I had this as one of my storylines. You mentioned
Speaker 4: Chris got her Up. It feels like to me that
Speaker 4: there's three players that can go up a notch of
Speaker 4: how the world perceives them with a win at the
Speaker 4: PGA Championship, maybe more so than anybody than every other
Speaker 4: player in the field. It's Cameron Young, Chris got Her Up,
Speaker 4: and Matt Fitzpatrick. To me, those three are sitting there
Speaker 4: and if if in the case of Cameron Young and
Speaker 4: Matt Fitzpatrick, if they win, the discourse between it becomes
Speaker 4: are they as a you know, on the same level
Speaker 4: right now in their career not saying, you know, there's
Speaker 4: such a difference between a year in time, eighteen months
Speaker 4: in time and five years in time.
Speaker 2: And like right now, for me, I can't put.
Speaker 4: Anybody in the Rory Scottie, you know, echelon until they
Speaker 4: do it for a sustained period of time. As soon
Speaker 4: as we put Xanderschoffley into that bucket, there was a
Speaker 4: you know, this is the way golf works.
Speaker 2: It's so hard.
Speaker 4: To sustain an ultra elite level, but you can say
Speaker 4: in this moment in time, this player is of the
Speaker 4: same ILK as these players. And I think for me,
Speaker 4: Cameron Young and Matt Fitzpatrick enter that class of players
Speaker 4: in this short term period like this season. They enter
Speaker 4: that because they are on a heater and always the
Speaker 4: question is how long does the heater last? And Rory
Speaker 4: and Scottie's case, it's just kind of normal to operate
Speaker 4: at that level. And for me, Chris Gottrup, just if
Speaker 4: he wins the BA, if he wins a major championship,
Speaker 4: he wins it, ARONIMNK, he just jumps into the Cameron
Speaker 4: Young echelon of of of talents where listen, like he
Speaker 4: would have he'd have so many wins over the las
Speaker 4: AB his fourth win in less than a year. He'd
Speaker 4: have a major championship, he'd have numerous majors where he
Speaker 4: played well, and and you know it just would It
Speaker 4: feels like to me, those are the three players that have,
Speaker 4: you know the most to gain at stake with.
Speaker 2: This major championship.
Speaker 3: I would add one, which would be Ludvig. I think
Speaker 3: Ludvig there's a lot of smoke around him being the
Speaker 3: most overrated prospect that I can't believe golf media has
Speaker 3: hyped this guy up to us for years and he
Speaker 3: hasn't delivered at all. I think there's a legitimate argument
Speaker 3: to be made for that that outside of Augusta, his
Speaker 3: major championship track record isn't that strong, and this is
Speaker 3: the promised golfer that was gonna be one of the
Speaker 3: best players in the world. If Ludwig wins next week,
Speaker 3: that noise gets completely quieted, and it's a realistic one.
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly where he is on the odds board,
Speaker 3: probably like sixth or seventh, very close to Fitzpatrick. I've
Speaker 3: seen some people questioning that, like how on earth can
Speaker 3: you consider Matt Fitzpatrick and Ludwig to be side by
Speaker 3: side coming into Ironomink. But I think he also has
Speaker 3: the opportunity to completely change the conversation, and I would
Speaker 3: argue that at twenty six years old, he deserves a
Speaker 3: little bit of grace still that at twenty six with
Speaker 3: somebody like Cam Young had done on the golf course.
Speaker 3: There were a lot of people who were skeptical of
Speaker 3: his game. At that point. He was still very fresh
Speaker 3: into his career. And I think it's way too early
Speaker 3: to close the book on ludeg Give him another year,
Speaker 3: give him another two years, but he may not need it,
Speaker 3: Like he could completely change the conversation next week.
Speaker 4: I mean, perfect case for Ludwig is look at Alex Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 4: who all of a sudden, you know, always was talented,
Speaker 4: not as talented as Ludwig coming in, you know, to golf,
Speaker 4: but always consider talented, and all of a sudden, at
Speaker 4: age twenty seven, everything's coming together and he looks like
Speaker 4: he's a top forty.
Speaker 2: Player, top thirty player in the world. The fact, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just say to those people, like, statistically,
Speaker 1: this is Ludwig's best year so far. He's really cleaned
Speaker 1: up the around the green stuff that was a clear weakness.
Speaker 1: He's putting better than he's been. It's just, you know,
Speaker 1: he's like a third of a stroke better than he
Speaker 1: was a year ago in strokes gained. I just feel
Speaker 1: like that that he's still to me, trending to be
Speaker 1: like the next great European player in the Rory Rahm
Speaker 1: sort of equation. Now does that happen?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, But it's nothing's guaranteed. But I still think like
Speaker 1: there's a real good chance that this is a multi
Speaker 1: major winner.
Speaker 3: I don't know what. For me, Ludwig is probably top
Speaker 3: three or four totally imprecise. This is not any there's
Speaker 3: no data to support this, but I test who can
Speaker 3: overwhelm the golf course and just on repeat for a major,
Speaker 3: just perfect drive after perfect drive after perfect drive, where
Speaker 3: you trust him. I think it's like Rory, cam Young
Speaker 3: and Ludwig are probably my three, and some of that
Speaker 3: is because his swing is so pretty that maybe I'm
Speaker 3: a little biased there, but I think there's a couple
Speaker 3: other golfers you could throw in that bucket, Bryce and Scottie,
Speaker 3: but I just could see him overwhelming this tournament and
Speaker 3: going wire to wire.
Speaker 1: All Right, I got one, and I feel like this
Speaker 1: helps us cross off a couple things. I like to
Speaker 1: think of rivalries in terms of tennis, and right now,
Speaker 1: like Scotty and Rory are in sort of like a
Speaker 1: who is holding serve sort of situation. Rory just won
Speaker 1: the Masters, which you could look at as like either
Speaker 1: holding serve or like, hey, I broke you because the
Speaker 1: Masters was your spot where you were always great, Scotty,
Speaker 1: and now it's time for Shuffler to sort of answer
Speaker 1: and basically be like, yo, I'm still the top dog, man,
Speaker 1: like you are not any closer to me than you
Speaker 1: were previously. Now it's been ten years since a person
Speaker 1: won two consecutive majors to open the year. That was
Speaker 1: Jordan Speith. So I think it would be really fascinating
Speaker 1: for the game if Rory won that and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden we went into the US Open, Scotty needing
Speaker 1: the US Open to win the Career Ground Slam, Rory
Speaker 1: needing the US Open to keep the Grand Slam in
Speaker 1: one season alive. Man, that would be incredibly fun. Now
Speaker 1: Rory has to go out and get the PJ, as
Speaker 1: we said, the least prestigious of these majors in the
Speaker 1: first place. But I think it's an interesting I also
Speaker 1: kind of wonder if he doesn't say something like about
Speaker 1: PGA tour tournaments, if Rory is gonna kind of treat
Speaker 1: the PGA as sort of an afterthought and just focus
Speaker 1: on majors, you know, skipping three events leading up into
Speaker 1: the Masters, winning the Masters, kind of working on aut
Speaker 1: autopilot in the lead up to the PGA, not playing
Speaker 1: particularly well as of this recording at Quail, which is
Speaker 1: usually a place where he dominates. If he comes out
Speaker 1: and looks great at the PGA and Scotty continues to
Speaker 1: kind of like clean up on these PGA Tour tournaments,
Speaker 1: I don't know what exactly it says about the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: but it might say that, like, maybe you don't have
Speaker 1: to like care that much about regular season stuff if
Speaker 1: your legacy is already kind of secure. Man, I just
Speaker 1: think a duel between them. Rory's played decent, enteronomic last
Speaker 1: time we were there, Scotty was still too young to
Speaker 1: be there, so it'll be kind of a first, you know,
Speaker 1: for him. All of this is setting up to make
Speaker 1: for a really interesting argument. I still agree with Joseph,
Speaker 1: Scotty has proven it for longer. He is the best
Speaker 1: player in the world. But the argument gets a lot
Speaker 1: more interesting if Rory has won two straight Majors.
Speaker 3: Or cam Where my head goes, Kevin, I've never just
Speaker 3: had I've never had a deeper appreciation for the difference
Speaker 3: between major golf and regular season golf, and the NBA
Speaker 3: playoffs are on right now. You see what the difference
Speaker 3: is in Lebron James at that age, what he puts
Speaker 3: into a playoff game versus what he puts into a
Speaker 3: regular season game. Or I don't know how many of
Speaker 3: our listeners watch tennis, but the way that Novak Djokovic
Speaker 3: has to pour everything into a Grand Slam versus the
Speaker 3: regular season, and now he's been taking more time off
Speaker 3: to get ready for the Grand Slams, and if he
Speaker 3: has to go four sets or five sets, like he
Speaker 3: is completely gassed.
Speaker 2: At the end of it.
Speaker 3: The total from a physical standpoint, from a mental standpoint,
Speaker 3: the energy that's required to play in the tournaments that matter.
Speaker 3: It's given me a different level of perspective of the difference,
Speaker 3: and I think Rory clearly treats things that way. I
Speaker 3: don't think he cares that he's not playing particularly well
Speaker 3: at Quail Hollow this week. I don't think it matters
Speaker 3: to him. He's shown up for big events consistently over
Speaker 3: the past few years, and regular season like, if you
Speaker 3: look at his record in regular tour events, he's not
Speaker 3: bringing his best golf to a lot of the tour events,
Speaker 3: so I would think that Rory's in that rare camp
Speaker 3: where he can just summon it, and other guys need
Speaker 3: to grind in PGA Tour events to get that form
Speaker 3: together so that they can bring it to a major
Speaker 3: I don't even think Rory needs it so him. He
Speaker 3: could have finished second at quail Hollow this week or
Speaker 3: sixty fifth, and I don't think it would change how
Speaker 3: much I think he can win next week.
Speaker 4: I agree about, you know, not being necessarily indicator for
Speaker 4: for Rory. I to go to your beginning, uh kind
Speaker 4: of Stanza Kevin on the on the topic if one
Speaker 4: of them, if either of them win this week, it
Speaker 4: is very fascinating for you know, it feels like Rory
Speaker 4: getting that win put a little distance back in. But
Speaker 4: if Scotty wins, it feels then almost inevitable.
Speaker 2: That Scotty passes Rory.
Speaker 4: If Rory wins another it becomes this like, I don't
Speaker 4: we don't know if Scotty's gonna catch him. And at
Speaker 4: the end of last year, after Scotty won at Port Rush,
Speaker 4: it was like, oh, this guy is going to get
Speaker 4: to nine or ten, you know, But this is the
Speaker 4: thing about majors.
Speaker 2: They're very hard to win. There's only four of.
Speaker 4: Them available, and you know there are there are a
Speaker 4: number of really great challengers. I mean, it's only a
Speaker 4: matter of time if you listen to Joseph until cam
Speaker 4: is in the discussion for most majors of any active doll.
Speaker 2: That's a little strong.
Speaker 3: That's a little strong.
Speaker 2: I just had to go there.
Speaker 4: But I mean, every one of these major championship venues
Speaker 4: sets up great, Like there's no golf course in the
Speaker 4: world that you're like, you know what, that's not a
Speaker 4: fit for Scotty or that's not a fit for Rory, because.
Speaker 2: They have such a wide range of skills.
Speaker 4: If you look at ironom Innk, it feels like Rory
Speaker 4: is probably going to be able to bypass some bunkers
Speaker 4: that Scotty cannot just because of sheer carry numbers. That
Speaker 4: obviously is a big advantage. That being said, if you
Speaker 4: look at Scotty, one of ironom Innks like big challenges
Speaker 4: we'll call it, are going to be the greens the
Speaker 4: slope and there are these like ridges that are are
Speaker 4: are in a lot of greens, and these ridges make
Speaker 4: it really difficult to to put or to chip across
Speaker 4: if you miss targets, but if you're able to find
Speaker 4: really small pockets on greens, they become like a bowl.
Speaker 4: So ultra precise iron play is heavily, heavily rewarded at aronomy.
Speaker 4: So like you can look at Rory and be like, okay,
Speaker 4: and I thought, I thought it was interesting. Like they
Speaker 4: Scotty got asked about Rory and he was like, obviously
Speaker 4: the driver, the driver, Like how far he hits it,
Speaker 4: how accurate it is.
Speaker 2: Is such a weapon.
Speaker 4: And I always appreciate when you get really great players
Speaker 4: talking about other really great players. And I'm not talking
Speaker 4: about like getting Matt or you know, Xanderschoffley talking about
Speaker 4: you know, Matt Fitzpatrick. I'm talking about two of the
Speaker 4: greatest players of all time talking about each other as contemporaries.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So Rory has one advantage, and it's kind of like tennis, right,
Speaker 4: Rory's got the big serve, but Scotty's got the is
Speaker 4: maybe the best returner in the.
Speaker 2: Game, and it's it's going to be fascinating.
Speaker 4: Obviously you go from there to Shinnecock and there's going
Speaker 4: to be so much on the line. But these two,
Speaker 4: I think they have just basically obviously, with Rory's longevity
Speaker 4: and Scotty's dominance, these two have basically locked in. You know,
Speaker 4: I do this pod every major have locked in that
Speaker 4: them together are going to be like a storyline for
Speaker 4: the next three years of Major championships.
Speaker 3: I think to your I love this type of setup
Speaker 3: for Rory McIlroy. I have it's not identical to oak
Speaker 3: Kill that this golf, especially the greens are very very
Speaker 3: different from Oakill, but I think, especially the kind of
Speaker 3: tree line Northeastern, you're not going to get killed for
Speaker 3: getting a little bit loose off of the tee. I
Speaker 3: love the way that that sets up for Rorty, and
Speaker 3: I would say that he played like a C minus
Speaker 3: maybe at Oakill a C and finished tied for seventh.
Speaker 3: This is one of those types of setups that I
Speaker 3: think if Rory, as long as he's fine off of
Speaker 3: the tea and just not terrible, he's remotely straight, I
Speaker 3: think he can bring his B game and be in
Speaker 3: the final group on Sunday. So there's a world andy
Speaker 3: in which we get a Scotty Rory duel, and we
Speaker 3: haven't had that major yet, So maybe this maybe we're
Speaker 3: setting the stage for our first true Rory Scotti duel.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's interesting. I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this in terms of setup. Is this week is it?
Speaker 1: We used to say, like through twenty fifteen through you know,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, I would say, oh, man, if it's soft,
Speaker 1: Rory's going to tear it up. Rory's got a great
Speaker 1: chance to win a championship here. And I think that's
Speaker 1: flipped now. I think that if it's soft, a lot
Speaker 1: more people are come into play. If it's firm, there's
Speaker 1: really only about five guys who are have the skill
Speaker 1: set to play with Scotty and Rory. And so if
Speaker 1: I were those two, I would be hoping for no
Speaker 1: rain and for you know, low humidity and just you
Speaker 1: know it's godn't get a lot of humidity in the
Speaker 1: spring anyway. Are on the East Coast. But man like,
Speaker 1: if it's firm, they might separate from the pack.
Speaker 4: The forecast looks pretty good. All I've seen is like
Speaker 4: light rain. I don't know what that constitutes, you know,
Speaker 4: for Wednesday, but the forecast looks good and ideal is Sunday.
Speaker 4: It's sunny Thursday through Sunday. This is like a mini storyline.
Speaker 4: This could be one of our ten. But the weather
Speaker 4: this golf course has such a bad reputation because of
Speaker 4: what happened at the BMW, which was.
Speaker 2: I was there that week.
Speaker 4: That was maybe the worst weather I've ever like, worst
Speaker 4: summer weather I've ever been a part of.
Speaker 2: It was awful.
Speaker 4: I wrote it. I wrote, there's a very popular website post.
Speaker 4: I went out that week. I went to the tournament,
Speaker 4: but I also went to like as many public golf
Speaker 4: courses in the Philadelphia area as I could, and I
Speaker 4: think I titled the blog posts that's about those golf courses.
Speaker 2: It's never sunny in.
Speaker 4: Philadelphia because it literally rained rain and it didn't just rain,
Speaker 4: it rained like three inches every day.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was awful.
Speaker 4: So I will just say, like that is coloring so
Speaker 4: many people's opinions on aronomy. And if these greens can
Speaker 4: be firm, they will be really fun to watch, really
Speaker 4: really fun to watch. And then you get the closing
Speaker 4: stretch and you're playing basically against off side slopes and
Speaker 4: there are a lot of long holes, so you're getting
Speaker 4: like long irons off side slopes into contour greens.
Speaker 2: Does that sound familiar to anybody?
Speaker 3: A little bit of it.
Speaker 2: Now there might be just like lot of green rough
Speaker 2: around the greens, but.
Speaker 4: So the ball can't get very far away from him.
Speaker 1: Which I mean that benefits the two of them again,
Speaker 1: because Rory has elevated his short game in recent years
Speaker 1: to be one of the you know, twenty best on tour,
Speaker 1: I would say, and Scotty is obviously the short game
Speaker 1: is great. So even if they miss greens, they have
Speaker 1: a good chance of scrambling around and competing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, maybe it's Victor Hoblin who's kind of
Speaker 4: like become a PGA version, get the thick ruff, and
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden he can contend because he.
Speaker 2: Only has to hit one shot.
Speaker 3: Andy, would you say that this type of setup is
Speaker 3: the most sensitive to weather because it feels to me like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: the it's not sandy soil, so it can't it's not
Speaker 3: going to dry out as well, Like these forecast should
Speaker 3: be monitored going into the Northeast, going into the Philly tournaments,
Speaker 3: much more than anywhere else in the world.
Speaker 4: I also, I don't think they have sub air, but
Speaker 4: I could be wrong. I don't think they Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: fairly certain they don't have subair, so they don't have
Speaker 4: like the the technology to sap out, but I did. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that this setup is you know, we saw
Speaker 4: it at Oakmont.
Speaker 2: Last year a little bit too. It's just the thick
Speaker 2: rough the green.
Speaker 4: Any setup though, you know we saw Saint Andrews in
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen was susceptible to a lot of rain, right
Speaker 4: changes the golf course. I mean, it's just like the
Speaker 4: thing that that just kills a golf tournament, right. I
Speaker 4: imagine what Wimbledon would would dramatically change if it rained
Speaker 4: all week?
Speaker 1: Oh it does?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So I think that's like, you know, just
Speaker 4: like the nature of outdoors on grass, right.
Speaker 3: Fair, I'll get with my I guess this is my
Speaker 3: third since the new era of the PJA of America
Speaker 3: was one of mine. Jordan Spief and Justin Thomas. Can
Speaker 3: either of them do anything in a major championship. The
Speaker 3: Jordan's Spief potential to complete the career Grand Slam will
Speaker 3: be a storyline has not been in the mix in
Speaker 3: any major championships going back to Royal St. George's. There
Speaker 3: are a couple top tens in there, but they were
Speaker 3: completely non competitive. Justin Thomas, this is a stat I've
Speaker 3: thrown out before but has now been updated after the Masters.
Speaker 3: One top thirty finish in a major in his last
Speaker 3: fifteen starts. It was a T eight at Valhalla. So
Speaker 3: going back to his win at Southern Hills, one top
Speaker 3: thirty over that stretch, what even the Southern Hills when
Speaker 3: he came back from seven back on Sunday, Like Justin Thomas,
Speaker 3: just has not been a factor in the tournaments that matter.
Speaker 3: You want to have a little bit of silver lining.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much you buy into this, but
Speaker 3: JT did change drivers a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 3: that's been his big weakness. He can't keep the ball
Speaker 3: on the planet, off the tee and at least if
Speaker 3: there's some short honeymoon period. He drove the ball very
Speaker 3: well at Durral's fourth in the field off of the tee.
Speaker 3: Not driving it particularly well this week at Quail Hollow,
Speaker 3: but kind of up in the mix. You could sell
Speaker 3: me on Justin Thomas getting back into contention, the Jordan
Speaker 3: speed cell is a little tougher for me. Just has
Speaker 3: not been a factor in any big golf tournaments recently.
Speaker 3: But if those two guys are going to continue to
Speaker 3: be marketed as the faces of American golf. We're pretty
Speaker 3: far past their competitive primes. You have new American faces
Speaker 3: in Scottie Scheffler, Cam Young, even Xander to an extent,
Speaker 3: Bryson to an extent. That these guys have to prove
Speaker 3: at some point that they can do something in a
Speaker 3: big tournament, and this does feel like an opportunity for
Speaker 3: these guys. We're still in their primes. If it doesn't
Speaker 3: happen this week, the noise just continues to grow. I
Speaker 3: kind of feel like people already there. I think there's
Speaker 3: already starting to be a little bit of public backlash.
Speaker 3: Like the PGA tour, you keep marketing these guys like
Speaker 3: they're the face of the tour and they haven't been
Speaker 3: that for a while. It is time to change that narrative,
Speaker 3: and one of those guys, if they were to do
Speaker 3: that this week, I think be a huge tour.
Speaker 1: The only part I would push back on that, Joseph,
Speaker 1: is that the idea that it will be a storyline
Speaker 1: that Speth could win the career grund Slam. I don't
Speaker 1: even really think it is anymore. I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: thinks it's a possibility at this moment. We've now gone
Speaker 1: actually eight years with that potentially being a storyline, and
Speaker 1: it's been so non existent compared to like Rory completing
Speaker 1: the Career Gun Slam or what Phil went through when
Speaker 1: he was trying to complete the career Gun Slam. I
Speaker 1: think Jordan would have to legitimately come back and be
Speaker 1: a top five player for it to sort of build
Speaker 1: any buzz. And it's just never going to build any
Speaker 1: buzz anyway, because it's the PGA. Like even when Tom
Speaker 1: Watson and Arnold Palmer we're trying to complete the career
Speaker 1: ground Slam, those are obviously much better players historically than
Speaker 1: Jordan Spith. It did not have the same kind of
Speaker 1: juice that it did when Tiger and Jack and you know,
Speaker 1: and Rory certainly were doing it. I you know, if
Speaker 1: Jordan was ever going to contend again, it would probably
Speaker 1: be at a place like this where it would reward
Speaker 1: good iron play and you could get a little bit
Speaker 1: loose with the driver. I just I wrote something in
Speaker 1: the beginning of the Ears like it's the hope that
Speaker 1: kills you, and I think I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to be better this year, were a you're removed from
Speaker 1: the risk surgery, and now we're four months into the
Speaker 1: season and it's just isn't there. Part of the reason
Speaker 1: I think he remains such an important part of the
Speaker 1: ecosystem is he's such a good quote and he's so
Speaker 1: interesting to talk to, and that is part of like
Speaker 1: how the Beat functions day to day, week to week.
Speaker 1: Like he gave some of the best quotes about Scotti
Speaker 1: Scheffler when I was writing the big Scheffler piece. And
Speaker 1: he's very eloquent in talking about you know, much more
Speaker 1: than so than justin about like rollback or about live
Speaker 1: or things like that. And so he's always going to
Speaker 1: be someone that people go to to say like, hey,
Speaker 1: could you speak with some gravitas on these big issues
Speaker 1: of the game. But in terms of like the week
Speaker 1: to week highlights of stuff, I can get why some
Speaker 1: people feel like this is not really a meritocracy when
Speaker 1: it comes to showing highlights, because it's usually like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you'll never believe this sick up and down
Speaker 1: that Jordan made, and he's like twenty off the lead,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Not to mention if you look through the tape, like everybody,
Speaker 4: like a lot of players probably made similarly awesome up
Speaker 4: and down, so they just didn't get shown. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 4: it feels a little bit right now, like I feel
Speaker 4: like that we had this with Ricky Fowler for a
Speaker 4: while and then he had the kind of like has
Speaker 4: resurrected in the second stage of his career. But at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, like you're talking about someone
Speaker 4: with two majors and three majors, and you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: there could be some some maybe they get shown too much,
Speaker 4: but they also have accomplished things that are draw interest.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's one of the things with the
Speaker 4: with golf. Golf thrives on your twenty year careers, and
Speaker 4: these are two players that are probably going to be relevant,
Speaker 4: whether they're relevant because of their their play or just
Speaker 4: them being around for twenty years. You're gonna you know,
Speaker 4: they aren't just gonna go away. I'm realistic enough to
Speaker 4: believe they are, you know. But that being said, I
Speaker 4: do think like it's it's kind of like a they
Speaker 4: were a part of this really interesting era in the
Speaker 4: sport where where youth dominated for a generation, and I
Speaker 4: think that they have been just frankly, like, I just
Speaker 4: don't think that they have gotten better.
Speaker 2: They've actually declined.
Speaker 4: I think like when you look at that era, like
Speaker 4: Rory has got continue to improve and he's that's been
Speaker 4: the thing. But in the case of Jordan Spieth and
Speaker 4: Justin Thomas, better players came into the game and they
Speaker 4: did not meet me. The match of the increase in
Speaker 4: standard is like the short tail. Everybody's wondering what's wrong.
Speaker 2: What's wrong.
Speaker 4: There's been some decline, a little bit of decline, but
Speaker 4: the sheer fact is there's more players with more talent
Speaker 4: than when Jordan Speith and Justin Thomas went on their runt.
Speaker 1: Yeady. You hinted at something there that was one of
Speaker 1: my throwaway one So I'm just gonna segue into it.
Speaker 1: I think if you are looking this is not gambling advice,
Speaker 1: please do not take it. But if you are looking
Speaker 1: for a storyline that is realistic but unlikely, I think
Speaker 1: Ricky Fowler has his best chance to win a major
Speaker 1: in a long time. Has actually been a pretty good
Speaker 1: player this year. Has been a significantly better putter than
Speaker 1: he was in recent years. He's almost putting back to
Speaker 1: the level that he was when he was one of
Speaker 1: the best putters in the world. Just driving it well,
Speaker 1: hitting him off irons, The one thing that's kind of
Speaker 1: holding back his overall statistical profile is is his short game,
Speaker 1: which statistically in the past he's been one of the
Speaker 1: best short game people on tour. It's just I don't
Speaker 1: know whether it's technique or whether he's just not seeing
Speaker 1: it the same way whatever, but I feel like that
Speaker 1: is something where you could get it cleaned up, or
Speaker 1: you could just have a great week where you didn't
Speaker 1: have to rely on it that much. If Ricky Valer
Speaker 1: is ever going to win a Major, this could be
Speaker 1: the moment that sort of rewrites his entire legacy. He
Speaker 1: has a better chance to win this Major than Jordan
Speaker 1: Spieth or Justin Thomas, which I don't think would have
Speaker 1: would have would I think would have surprised people to
Speaker 1: say something like that four or five years ago. I
Speaker 1: just think I don't think it's likely to happen. But
Speaker 1: like we're recording this Sunday morning of the Truest, he's
Speaker 1: currently like on track to finish three straight top tens,
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's some form going in there. It's possible.
Speaker 1: I just want to sort of plow it out there.
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit silly bringing up Ricky Fowler
Speaker 1: before Bryson or John Rahm, which we haven't talked at
Speaker 1: all about. I think we probably ought to owe them
Speaker 1: a little bit of this preview time. But when I
Speaker 1: was thinking about story lines that are off the radar
Speaker 1: a little bit, I think that there is a sliver
Speaker 1: of possibility that rick could could surprise people.
Speaker 2: That'd be a little better story of a story.
Speaker 3: I think the big issue with Ricky is that he
Speaker 3: has a lot of these ths, t nines, and we
Speaker 3: haven't really heard from Ricky deep into a tournament, like
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of the back door topy top
Speaker 3: ten going on. I would push back on him having
Speaker 3: a better chance to win this golf tournament than Justin Thomas.
Speaker 3: I think if you want to put him in the
Speaker 3: same ballpark as Speef, that's reasonable. I think JT has
Speaker 3: a little more upside than Ricky. But I mean to
Speaker 3: your point, it's also just remarkable that we're nearly an
Speaker 3: hour into this recording and Bryson and Ron's next thing,
Speaker 3: all right, go then go for it.
Speaker 4: Golf's hard to play it well when you've got a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff going on in your life. It's true,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of a lot of things that
Speaker 4: you should. You could look at and Live and say, hey,
Speaker 4: this isn't the best way to prep for a major.
Speaker 4: Is like not to be able to control your schedule
Speaker 4: to play, you know, substandard golf courses versus the other tour, which, hey,
Speaker 4: I don't think the PGA Tour plays plays the best
Speaker 4: golf courses, you know, but there are a lot better
Speaker 4: than the courses that Live place.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: What I didn't have on my Benga board was being
Speaker 4: asked about the financial feasibility of the league that you're
Speaker 4: the headline athletes of and how that might factor into
Speaker 4: your prep for major. Rom talked about how his contracts
Speaker 4: really locked it locked in.
Speaker 2: It's a really good contract.
Speaker 1: What an endorsement of his own tour. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: see any way out of it. So I'm here.
Speaker 4: Brighton's now being talked about maybe he'll be an owner
Speaker 4: of Live, you know, But then you have Rory kind
Speaker 4: of takeing, you know, shots as if you don't want,
Speaker 4: you know, like the PGA Tour is the best place
Speaker 4: in the world to play if you want to be
Speaker 4: a competitive golfer, you know. I think, like I have
Speaker 4: real questions about John Rahm, and I just think This
Speaker 4: is gets harder and harder for him the longer it goes,
Speaker 4: because he is not a human being where it's just
Speaker 4: like well whatever, Like he doesn't have that like forgettable
Speaker 4: like of the like oh like throw my hands up,
Speaker 4: like whatever happens happened, right, He doesn't have that. So
Speaker 4: every time this doesn't happen for him, every time he
Speaker 4: doesn't win a major, because since he's gone to live,
Speaker 4: this is getting more difficult. It's going to get mentally
Speaker 4: more challenging when you're in the mix or just getting
Speaker 4: ready for the mix. We've seen this with Rory.
Speaker 2: But like.
Speaker 4: I am, I'm fascinated by John Rahm and the majors
Speaker 4: the rest of the year. I think Bryson has real
Speaker 4: questions about like iron play, can can he hit the
Speaker 4: ball well enough? He's from what I've gathered, he is
Speaker 4: going to come out with retailed Bryson irons to sell
Speaker 4: the people. So like, you know, you want to talk
Speaker 4: about the Justin Rose iron discourse, like what should we
Speaker 4: talk about the guy that's like literally three D printing
Speaker 4: irons and trying to put him in play on by
Speaker 4: himself as like, but with John Rahm, this is a
Speaker 4: player squarely in his prime, someone we thought in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three would have would be in the discussion of
Speaker 4: like does he get to five or six majors? Like
Speaker 4: that was not an unrealistic discourse, and now like I
Speaker 4: find myself more than that asking will.
Speaker 2: He get another one?
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think the mental thing is
Speaker 1: is larger than anybody could really put into context. Like
Speaker 1: Jon Ram is a emotional player and emotional person. He
Speaker 1: played his best golf in a sort of defiant like fu,
Speaker 1: I'm going to prove to you that I am just
Speaker 1: as important as you know at the time Rory to
Speaker 1: this game, and you know him and Scotti clashing with
Speaker 1: each other in Italy was pretty good golf. Unlike when
Speaker 1: Rory and Scotty kind of are dragging each other to
Speaker 1: the finish line, it's Beth Page and I just I
Speaker 1: missed that version of rom Like I don't care how
Speaker 1: many people cite well it does well and Live like
Speaker 1: those just aren't golf courses that test someone, or at
Speaker 1: least test the skill set of those around him. He
Speaker 1: should win every week on Live like, he should never
Speaker 1: finish outside the top three on there, because he's that
Speaker 1: much better than those people around him other than Bryson.
Speaker 1: And you know, Bryson I think is allowed to is
Speaker 1: able to compete on some of those courses because he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to test certain things, like it's a lot
Speaker 1: of Z setups, yeah, and driver wedge a lot of
Speaker 1: times there. So I don't know. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: it's silly to feel sad for John because he made
Speaker 1: this choice and he put himself in this scenario. But
Speaker 1: I'm sad for the game, if that makes sense, Like
Speaker 1: I'm sad for what we lost. It's like when a
Speaker 1: band breaks up right, you kind of lament, like, man,
Speaker 1: they could have made so many great albums and they
Speaker 1: broke up right during their peak, and maybe they'll get
Speaker 1: back together and maybe it's like an Oasis situation and
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh my gosh, so exciting to get the
Speaker 1: real John ronback, But there's also a chance that you've
Speaker 1: squandered like the best creative part of your your prime.
Speaker 3: I think rom every major that comes by. Now there's
Speaker 3: the two oh he's you know, we've lost him, as
Speaker 3: you're saying, and then there's that deep down feeling of
Speaker 3: like I kind of still think John Ram's one of
Speaker 3: the favorites, and I personally am more on the side
Speaker 3: of I would not overlook John Rahm. It gets harder
Speaker 3: with each of these majors that goes by, But I
Speaker 3: do think like when Rom's stunk at the Masters this year,
Speaker 3: played a terrible first round shot seventy eight, still made
Speaker 3: the cut, kind of got it together. When Bryson stunk,
Speaker 3: like he kind of flames out. He doesn't have those
Speaker 3: other tools that he can lean on. If you told
Speaker 3: me that you know, something bad would happen to me
Speaker 3: if Bryson wins, like I wouldn't be that scared. Rom
Speaker 3: is sort of terrifying to me, And I think the
Speaker 3: right side of the Rom discourse is the side the
Speaker 3: tire on him. So I'm kind of going into next
Speaker 3: week and you're talking about those guys who can ascend
Speaker 3: into another echelon with the kind of Fitzpatrick cam Young
Speaker 3: Ludwig Tier, which is fair. ROMs shouldn't be considered but
Speaker 3: those guys, because He's just accomplished way more. But I mean,
Speaker 3: would either of you two be surprised if John Ram's
Speaker 3: leading going into Sunde Beu. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Speaker 1: I picked him to win the Masters, So I still
Speaker 1: obviously believe in the skill set. I just continue to
Speaker 1: be disappointed that there is some sort of mental block there.
Speaker 1: I mean, he should have contended a Valhalla and he's
Speaker 1: stunk in that first round too, like he did contend
Speaker 1: a Quail Hollow. It's he's been okay in Open championships
Speaker 1: a couple but there is something there that is not
Speaker 1: quite as sharp as it once was.
Speaker 4: Can I just read since post live, so twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four on TI cut, then he had the foot thing
Speaker 4: at Piner, so he missed the because where he showed
Speaker 4: up to do the press conference and tell everybody, you know,
Speaker 4: it wasn't impacting live, wasn't impacting his play, and he
Speaker 4: was just a negative boy, and then went through the
Speaker 4: next day because he had he had one shoe on
Speaker 4: and a.
Speaker 2: Flip flop on. I think if I remember correctly T
Speaker 2: seven at the Open in twenty four, T fourteen, uh,
Speaker 2: T eight, T seven, T thirty four TA or T
Speaker 2: thirty eight, that's that's his list of finishes.
Speaker 1: I would say Quail is the only real contention on
Speaker 1: that list, Like he wasn't contending when Harmon won, although
Speaker 1: he finished fifth or whatever that year like.
Speaker 3: Seventh, Yeah, yeah, that's the that's the Xander year, not
Speaker 3: the Harmon year. Yeah, twenty twenty four, Well, I will
Speaker 3: say I think he came from the wrong side. I
Speaker 3: think he had a really bad wave split and still
Speaker 3: finished T seven. It was not that bad a wrong performance.
Speaker 2: But can I just propose a question.
Speaker 4: We always put Ram in the tier of Rory and Scotti.
Speaker 2: Is he just not that is good?
Speaker 1: I don't think he deserves to be in that tier
Speaker 1: based on, you know, current performance in majors. I think
Speaker 1: we talent wise, we do it, and I also honestly
Speaker 1: like wonder if we insist on doing it over and
Speaker 1: over again as part of like, well, we're trying to
Speaker 1: basically be objective and really fair about live players. It's
Speaker 1: so much of working the refs and complaining about you
Speaker 1: guys are so dismissive towards the live players. Are we
Speaker 1: saying like all right, all right, yeah Ram is still
Speaker 1: that guy? I don't know?
Speaker 3: Show me then, Also, and I know I brought this
Speaker 3: up to you before, like a year or two ago.
Speaker 3: You lay John Ram's resume next to Xanders and there
Speaker 3: is a case that Xander has done as much as
Speaker 3: John Rahm in the world at golf, It's not a
Speaker 3: crazy position to take. Xander has eighteen top tens in
Speaker 3: thirty five major starts. Ram has fifteen and thirty seven
Speaker 3: like a worst top ten rate. They have the same
Speaker 3: number of wins. I still think John Rahm, like over
Speaker 3: the long turn over the over the body of their career,
Speaker 3: is a slightly better player. But we're talking about rom
Speaker 3: much closer to Xander than we are to Scotty and Ror.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever fallen out of the conversation for like
Speaker 1: great player faster than Xander, Like I know this is
Speaker 1: an injury, but we we have not. We didn't talk
Speaker 1: about him really in the lead up to the Masters.
Speaker 1: We're an hour into this podcast. We're just bring him
Speaker 1: up now in relation to well, maybe he deserves to
Speaker 1: be in the same breath, Like I I was wrong
Speaker 1: about Xander for a long time and then one summer
Speaker 1: kind of made me look like a fool, And now
Speaker 1: like it would be nice if like we get over
Speaker 1: this injury stretch that derailed him and start to get
Speaker 1: back to playing some top five golf in the world,
Speaker 1: because it sure doesn't feel like it.
Speaker 3: Think he's fine. I think Xander's a like well behind Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 3: well behind unfortunately. I mean Xander I thought a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago was trending back towards being one of the
Speaker 3: best players in the world. But yeah, I think he's
Speaker 3: in that next bucket after the you gotta go Cam,
Speaker 3: you gotta go down to Fitzpatrick. And I think Rom
Speaker 3: and Xander are sitting there as the If Scotty and
Speaker 3: Rorty struggle, then they've got a chance to win type.
Speaker 1: Would you be more bullish on mat Fitzpatrick or Xander
Speaker 1: over the next three years? Xander, I probably would too,
Speaker 1: but that's just based on talent, not recent results.
Speaker 3: Next four months, Fitzpatrick, next three years, I'd say Xander.
Speaker 4: I think I fallen the Joseph packet. So anybody else
Speaker 4: have a spare thought.
Speaker 1: I think we're I have one spare thought. I think
Speaker 1: Brooks is trending in a good direction, and not for
Speaker 1: the PGA, but I think that there is a chance
Speaker 1: that he could be in the mix at Chinnacock, where
Speaker 1: he will play a brand of golf that is just
Speaker 1: bred for US Open. Now, can he make five footers?
Speaker 1: I don't know right now, the answer would be no.
Speaker 1: Shooting sixty three, you know at the Myrtle Beach is
Speaker 1: not exactly like a huge doorsement, but it's not a
Speaker 1: bad thing. I just think that Brooks plays such a
Speaker 1: smart level of US Open golf. I'm seeing some encouraging
Speaker 1: signs that he could get back to not not at
Speaker 1: certainly not the level that he was, but if he
Speaker 1: was going to contend again, Shinnecock is a great place
Speaker 1: for him to do it. Just keep an eye on that.
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Speaker 4: Ah, I'll buy some. I think he's got a couple
Speaker 4: of good runs in them. What's who are you guys
Speaker 4: picked to win? Cameon, Scotty, I'll take I'll take Camyo.
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Speaker 3: I think it's the time.
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Speaker 4: all right, thanks guys.
Speaker 2: We'll be back to talk about.
Speaker 4: What happened at the PGA Championship after with Trevor Immelman.
Speaker 4: Big thanks to you guys jumping in. This has been
Speaker 4: a kind of a hectic week for me, so thanks
Speaker 4: for jumping in on Sunday morning to record. Big thanks
Speaker 4: to PJ for putting this all together. And excited for
Speaker 4: this week's PGA Championship at Aernomy