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Speaker 2: So Michael vari Show is on the air last night.

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Speaker 3: On the President's orders, US Central Command, under the command

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Speaker 3: of General Eric Gorilla, executed Operation Midnight Hammer.

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Speaker 2: A short time ago.

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Speaker 4: The US military carried out massive precision strikes on the

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Speaker 4: three key nuclear facilities in the Iranian regime, Bordeaux, Natanz

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Speaker 4: and Esfahan. Our objective was the destruction of irans nuclear

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Speaker 5: Tonight, I can report to the.

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Speaker 4: World that the strikes were a spectacular military success.

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Speaker 6: The order we received from our commander in chief was focused,

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Speaker 6: it was powerful, and it was clear we devastated the

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Speaker 6: not target Iranian troops.

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Speaker 2: So the Iranian.

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Speaker 6: Thanks President Trump's bold and visionary leadership and his commitment

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Speaker 6: to peace through strength, Iran's nuclear ambitions have been obliterated.

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Speaker 6: Many presidents have dreamed of delivering the final blow to

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Speaker 2: When this president speaks, the.

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Speaker 6: World should listen, and the US military we can back

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Speaker 6: it up. Taran is certainly calculating the reality that planes

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Speaker 2: Destroy nuclear capabilities.

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Speaker 6: And our boys in those bombers are on their way

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Speaker 3: This mission demonstrates the unmatched reach, coordination, and capability of

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Speaker 3: This went from strategic planning to global execution. This operation

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Speaker 7: There is quite a split of opinion as to whether

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Speaker 7: What future terrorist are we inspiring by such things? These

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Speaker 7: Could have been at the seventh game of the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 7: Lieutenant Colonel Eric Navarro with Middle East Forum has been

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Speaker 7: Americans are exhausted by twenty five years of forever wars.

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Speaker 7: This is not something that Trumpet administration wanted to do.

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Speaker 8: But the difference is that back then we had dumb presidents,

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Speaker 8: We've done the job of setting their nuclear program back.

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Speaker 2: Michael Berry, The Michael Berry Show.

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Speaker 7: let me ask you first an open ended question. Did

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Speaker 2: And if so, why, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Back to Michael, and absolutely I supported it. Published as

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Speaker 1: I publicly have advocated for going further than just the

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Speaker 5: And we can get into why.

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Speaker 1: But as far as the strikes, absolutely a ramposed a

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Speaker 7: My wife grew up in India, an Indian national, and

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Speaker 7: That is post Komani, that is post theocracy.

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Speaker 7: You know, a colonel, Lieutenant Colonel Eric Navarro of the

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Speaker 7: You see it on Twitter, which has to be shut down.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what that change looks like. I would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Iraq, I think the key mistakes where the

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Speaker 5: Of those lessons.

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Speaker 1: One Iran was oh the other the other thing about

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Speaker 1: interests in the region and to US personnel. They were

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Speaker 1: responsible for the death of at least a thousand US

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Speaker 1: servicemen interrect. I was there and we had to warn

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Speaker 1: people because we had the Iranian backed militias and didn't

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Speaker 1: know how to create what they call explosive form penetrators,

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Speaker 1: these deadly IEDs that were able to punch through our

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Speaker 1: armored under the belly of the Humbies and other vehicles.

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Speaker 1: So they had American blood on their hands. Not to mention,

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Speaker 1: they fall out deaths in America and directly threaten US

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Speaker 1: and our main ally in the region Israel. Right, So

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Speaker 1: there you have a clear threat. And then the other

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Speaker 1: thing is we are not looking to nation builds. We

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Speaker 1: are not looking to put boots on the ground. At

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Speaker 1: most it would be striped. Even what Israel is doing

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Speaker 1: stripes right, there's no intent to occupy the country and

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Speaker 1: impose our Jeffersonian democracy on the country. So it's an

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Speaker 1: exact opposite of what we tried to do in our interact.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's worth it for that reason. Also, don't

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Speaker 1: forget the greater strategic game being played here. We are

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Speaker 1: in the middle of great power competition with Russia and China.

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Speaker 1: They are watching us. You're seeing what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the wake of these strikes. Russia and China don't know

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Speaker 1: how to react. All they're doing is condemning it in language,

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Speaker 1: but they're not stepping in. In fact, nobody is stepping

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Speaker 1: in to help our in that should telling you something.

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Speaker 1: They are a Kariah nation. And so this strike was

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Speaker 1: completely justified and strategically effective. Deterrens has now been re

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Speaker 1: established by the United States by President Trump that has

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Speaker 1: maximum value across the globe. Right, we go back to

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Speaker 1: the previous administration when Biden catastrophically what do you call,

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Speaker 1: came out of or left Afghanistan for really no strategic

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Speaker 1: reason except she just wanted to say it was twenty years,

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Speaker 1: I'm ending it on the anniversary of nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: But there was no reason to leave, and it was

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Speaker 1: left in chaos. President couldn't watch that happen, thought America

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Speaker 1: was weak, and thought now is the time to get

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Speaker 1: involved and take what I want in Ukraine. Right, these countries,

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Speaker 1: these adversaries around the world are watching every move and

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Speaker 1: reacting based on any sign of weakness or any sign

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Speaker 1: of strength. Right now, President Trump is displaying strength, and

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Speaker 1: that's why they're on their back.

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Speaker 5: Foot.

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Speaker 7: It's interesting because I've read a number of different position

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Speaker 7: pieces similar to what you've said, is that you know,

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Speaker 7: China and Russia are watching, and they're looking at the technology,

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Speaker 7: and they're looking at the force, and they're looking at

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Speaker 7: the precision strike ability. I mean, those B twos were

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Speaker 7: in the air almost forty hours refueling I believe five

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Speaker 7: times in air. What a bunkering operation. I mean, it's

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Speaker 7: just just amazing that this could curb. Even my wife,

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Speaker 7: who's not terribly interested in war or how it's conducted,

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Speaker 7: found the in air refueling alone and the ability to

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Speaker 7: go undetected into Iran, which brings me a question, brings

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Speaker 7: me to the next question. It would appear that this

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Speaker 7: is a multi phase effort and that Israel did a

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Speaker 7: lot of the dirty work to clear the table, to

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Speaker 7: get personnel and arsenal out of the way so that

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Speaker 7: the B two s could do their job. How important

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Speaker 7: to this overall effort was that.

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Speaker 5: Critical?

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Speaker 1: So whenever there's a bombing mission, there's an entire strike package,

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Speaker 1: there's a sequence of events that had to happen so

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Speaker 1: that you can get the bombers to the destination safely

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Speaker 1: and allow them to prosecute the targets. So there are

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Speaker 1: oftentimes where there's a whole strip group. A lot of

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Speaker 1: times it's just us only, right, we have the electronic

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Speaker 1: warfare aircraft to jam you know, sam's any service air missiles,

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Speaker 1: there's the strike aircraft, the fighter aircraft that escort them.

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Speaker 5: Well, it looks like.

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Speaker 1: Not only were US aircraft involved, but the Israelis were.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is what in President Trump's statement

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Speaker 1: after the strike, right, he talked about how he was

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Speaker 1: working hand in glove with Prime Minister Danyahu and the Israelis.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what's happening. Is they're using a combined arms

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Speaker 1: format where Israeli targets certain targets and locations and facilities

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Speaker 1: and capabilities, and then the US came in and delivered

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Speaker 1: the massive ordinance penetrator.

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Speaker 5: That only we have and only we can drop. Right.

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Speaker 1: That's brilliance, practical brilliance at a level that demonstrates to

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Speaker 1: the world you don't want to mess with us.

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Speaker 5: That's the message.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's a combination of our capabilities and our will.

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Speaker 1: When we have when we match those two things, nobody

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Speaker 1: can touch us. In past conflict, we didn't have the will.

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Speaker 1: We always had the capabilities, we just never show the

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Speaker 1: right resolve at the right moment, at least for the

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Speaker 1: last twenty some od years. You can even go back

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Speaker 1: to Vietnam as well. Right, so we had the self

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Speaker 1: defeatism that prevents us from applying the resolve needed at

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Speaker 1: these strategic moments. And President Trump has reversed that in

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Speaker 1: one fell suit.

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Speaker 7: And that's what we will discuss coming up our guest,

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Speaker 7: Lieutenant Colonel Navarrow of the Middle East Forum. The question

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Speaker 7: I will begin for you to ponder in between is

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Speaker 7: why now President Trump served a full four years, Iran

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Speaker 7: was saber rattling. During those four years. You had the

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Speaker 7: Biden administration that seemed to be handing in cash instead

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Speaker 7: of destabilizing them. You had eight years of Barack Obama,

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Speaker 7: you had eight years of George W.

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Speaker 2: Bush.

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Speaker 5: Why.

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Speaker 2: Now that's the question we're again with.

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Speaker 1: Either asked me or take me to Texas because haven't

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Speaker 1: ready to get out.

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Speaker 5: Of this state. I think mich will Barry rout.

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