1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Ron Andanian. The answer of we can't fix it if 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: it's not broke isn't always true. I want to make 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: that point very clear. The Car Doctor. What turned Mike 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Mueller's clock that made him a car guy? Where did 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: it happen? I was about two years old and for 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Christmas I got a little plastic writing Corvette. Welcome to 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: the radio home of Ron and Anian, the Car Doctor. 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Since this is where car owners the world overturned to 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: call in the garage doors are open, but I am 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: here to take your call at eight five and now 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: he running. It was a busy week in the shop, 14 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: A short week, right, three days worth. We we took 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: off obviously for Thanksgiving, and then we had on Friday 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: after I figured out, what the heck, you know, it's 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: been a heck of a year. Let's let's just take 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: the extra day. So I'm two days removed from the 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: shop here doing the show this weekend. But you know, 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: I can still feel it reverberating through me. It was. 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: It was a crazed week and just some probably one 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: of the oddest repairs I've done in a while. I 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: had no five tours that came in. Well, actually it 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: didn't come and it was told and I found it 25 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: in the shop on the lot Monday morning for a 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: regular customer. I hadn't seen the car in a while 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: and it was just sitting there. It had been towed, 28 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: it died on the road, and you know, I got 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: to diagnose it. Now here's a car that had a 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: laundry list. It was it needed one of everything. It 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: was recommendations for maintenance, spark plugs, wires, um oil leaks, 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: rear shocks, sway bar links. This car had a list 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: and it had largely gone ignored for the past three years. 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: And you know, my non technical explanation is, here's a vehicle, 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: it's been road hard, put away, wet, and the horse 36 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: just died. And now you've got to not just put 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: shoes on the horse. You've got to rebuild the horse. 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: If that's what they want to do. They wanted to. 39 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: Maggie had explained to me that this was her son's car. 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: She's um, you know, trying to explain to me how 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: she's not gonna, you know, two more for the kid. 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: At this point, she just wants to keep him on 43 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: the road till he figures life out, which I get. 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: So you know, you've kind of got to be the 45 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: Dutch uncle and give them some guidance and direction on 46 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: what this car actually needs, but not go overboard. So 47 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: you've got a dead horse in your driveway or a car, 48 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: whichever way you want to look at it, and you've 49 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: got to get it to run scanner for codes and 50 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: did my usual due diligence for diagnostics, and I came 51 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: up with a series of ignition full to P zero 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: three D random misfire, a misfire reported on two three 53 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: three oh two three oh three and A three sixteen 54 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: a P zero three sixteen, which is a misfire in 55 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: the first thousand RPMs of of engine revolution when you 56 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: go to start the car, I want to think a 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: real hard look at ignition. Is where we started with 58 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: this vehicle, because it seemed like it had ignition issues, 59 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: it had spark, it had fuel pressure. It would actually 60 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: start misfire. You would have to keep your foot to 61 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: the floor and then it would die all on its 62 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: own hook the piscope, which is not something I do 63 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: on a first within the first fifteen minutes. On most 64 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: diagnosis is usually it takes a while to get there. 65 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: And I found that the ignition coil had one bad 66 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: coil and this is a three coil coil, three banks 67 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: of coil A, B and C. Primary coil A had 68 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: a dead shorten it put a coil in it. Now 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: I've got a car that starts, runs and idols and 70 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: will accelerate and run for approximately eight minutes and then 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: it dies off. And this is this is eight minutes 72 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: of holding your foot high wif Vidal about halfway through. Gee, 73 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: I know there's there's something really simple and obvious I'm 74 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: missing here. But it would seem that, you know, spark 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: plugs that were gaped at eighty thousands and more are 76 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: warrant to eighty thousands or more than are normally supposed 77 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: to be forty two thousands. The plugs were worn double 78 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: what they normally are. And now I understand and why 79 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: the coil failed. She had just melted it into the ground. 80 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: But why won't an idol? What's holding this car from idling? 81 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: And as I'm getting it to run, and Danny jumped 82 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: in and got it to run, and I jumped in 83 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: and got it to run. We noticed that we hear this, 84 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: whooh this somewhere under the hood, and now we've got 85 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: to find it. Sure enough, the intake manifold had a 86 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: hole in it just above the throttle body area behind 87 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: the throttle plate, above where the e g R tube dumps, 88 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: which is a common failure point for these, but usually 89 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: it's a slow, melted, you know process. This when we 90 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: looked at a deeper the part of the intake had 91 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: blown off and then falling back in, which makes me 92 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: think that the e g R valve was melting the 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: plastic intake, but the ignition coil trying to fire completely 94 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: worn plugs had misfired, backfired, created some sort of an 95 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: ignition event that broke the take at that point, and 96 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: then the flap just kind of, you know, laid back 97 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: in there until you disturbed it enough to move it 98 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: out of place. I had to prove that the car ran, 99 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: that the car would run, that the car would continue 100 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: to work should I put an intake manifold on it, 101 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: which was a major repaired an expense on a fifteen 102 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: year old, a hundred thousand mile car. So I looked 103 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: around and I said, gee, what can I put in there, 104 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: I need a cork, got out two rags and a 105 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: plastic bag from the kitchen area of the shop, and 106 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: I shoved the rags into the bag. They give it body, 107 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: and I had Danny start the car and rive it up, 108 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: and I jammed the plastic bag into the hole, and 109 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: sure enough it sucked in part of the way, and 110 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: then the car just smoothed out and idle normal. And 111 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: I said, gee, I guess if I sold her the 112 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: plastic bag, two rags for dollar thirty nine and a 113 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: roll of duct tape, we could probably get this car out. 114 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: But it's probably not what I would consider a real 115 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: professional repair, So we didn't intake manifold. They let's take 116 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: it apart and spend more money. What the heck, we 117 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: haven't spent it for three years, we might as well 118 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: do it now. And I started to do the intake 119 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: the upper plantum. The upper Plantum fortunately was available in 120 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: the aftermarket. We were able to get it from Dorman 121 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: Dorman Products dot com. They made great intake manifolds, and 122 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: this one was no disappointment. We've used them in the past. 123 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,239 Speaker 1: It was a very good product at a very reasonable 124 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: price compared to Ford and we, you know, motored on 125 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: down the road in this repair trying to replace this 126 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: upper intake. The snag and the road happened when there 127 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: is a breather tube for the crank case vent system 128 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: into the intake manifold and it's metal. It's a metal 129 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: tube with a rubber O ring that's pressed in at 130 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: the factory that's now sixteen years old or sixteen model 131 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: years old, fifteen chronological, and it wouldn't come out. Not 132 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: wanting to hold the repair up, and I couldn't even 133 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: imagine if it was still available. And my guess is 134 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: it isn't because the car is so old. I've got 135 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: to get it out once again. Thank God for p 136 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: B blaster right, soaked a little p B and there, 137 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: let it sit and soak, worked it around. Eventually I 138 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: got at the spin, soaked a little more PB in, went, 139 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: had lunch, came back, twisted around and out at came 140 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: finished off the intake, put it together. The car was fixed. 141 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: And the point of all this is at the end 142 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: of the day, they did the plugs, they did the 143 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: wires we recommended two years ago. They did an ignition coil, 144 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: they did an intake manifold, and they spent about repairing 145 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: this car that they didn't want to spend any money 146 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: on three years ago, but they were planning to drive it. 147 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: And the point of all of this is not just 148 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: the wonder of diagnostics and the products and things that 149 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: I used to fix it, but it's more too. If 150 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: you're planning to keep your car and you know your 151 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: car needs maintenance, please do yourself a favor and think 152 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: about doing it early rather than late. The thing that 153 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: always amazes me and and I'm stunned by, is I 154 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: get the car when it has the buck and a 155 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: quarter the hundred or a hundred fifty thousand miles on it, 156 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: the miles on it, and now it needs one of everything, 157 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: and now somebody wants to do the maintenance and the repairs, 158 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: and that just doesn't make any sense to me. And 159 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: Meg this case, she knew what she was getting into, 160 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: she was well aware of it, and she was actually 161 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: happy to spend to fix the car and put it 162 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: in shape because it was cheaper than buying him her 163 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: son another car. But I don't know if that's always 164 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: the case in your case, And you have to think 165 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: about it. And the point of this is, if you're 166 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: driving a car that needs maintenance, think about doing it 167 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: before that horse finally dies and it has to be 168 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: towed in, because sometimes you have to shoot the horse 169 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: or send it off to the glue factory. Unfortunately, and 170 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 1: not that I would suggest doing that. The horses cars 171 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: are a different story. Hello, and welcome Ron and Ay 172 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: in the car Doctor Here zero is the phone number. 173 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: I have a busy couple of hours for you. I 174 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: want to thank you for allowing me to take part 175 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: of your weekend. We're giving away some books this weekend, 176 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: one of which is the Complete Book on Corvettes. We 177 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: had Mike Muller, the author, on the show last week 178 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: and he talked about corvettes and where his inspiration came from. 179 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: And I've got a few surprises for Tom. I haven't 180 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: even told him. That's in the gift closet. We're going 181 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: to be giving away a couple of copies of Dr 182 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: Richard McCann's classic Car Adventures. UM. Dr mccannson resides in 183 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: mary Old, England, and he's been kind enough to put 184 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: a couple of these books in the gift closet for 185 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: this holiday season. We're gonna be doing that, and I 186 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: think I've got a couple of car Doctor T shirts 187 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: in there. I haven't even gotten to the back of 188 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: the closet yet. And that's not gonna be today. That's 189 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: probably gonna be in the coming weeks. But we might 190 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: have car Doctor T shirts in any size you want, 191 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: as long as they're extra large, kind of like the 192 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Ford Model T any color you want, as long as 193 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: it's black. And now you can't give me away. He 194 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: get rid of me, Tom, But it would be a 195 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: very boring show because yeah, well would just be something 196 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: very different. Um, you know so, but uh, you know, 197 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: we've got we've got a lot going on, right, I 198 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: got some books, I got some T shirts. I got 199 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: some other things I'm trying to give away, but I 200 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: can't remember what they were. Tom, there's so much junk 201 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: in the closet. Man, did we accumulate a lot of 202 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: stuff this year? It's um Black Friday Emporium. Yeah, right, 203 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: exactly right. You know what they say about Black Friday. 204 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: If you want to save a hundred percent, just stay home. 205 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, there you go. So, um, let's 206 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: pull over, take a pause. When we come back, we'll 207 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: kick the garage doors open. By the way, Tom you 208 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: are the judge, uh, final decision on who's gonna win 209 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: today's book corp. Good. So you keep listening to the 210 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: callers and when you find somebody that you think needs it, 211 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: and again it's be a great holiday. Yeah, very what's 212 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: all right? Hey? Listen, you need the heat? What do 213 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: you do all week long? So, um, it's not like 214 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: you actually work? Do you work? Where did you go back? Yes? 215 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: I do. A matter of fact, I was out stomping 216 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: around in the swamp the other day for all the 217 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: radio people listening. I had a tower break in half 218 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: this week. So yeah, well, you know, thank god we 219 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: have guys like Tom who's out there breaking towers, I mean, 220 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: fixing towers. So let's pull over. Take a plus Tom 221 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: Ron and Eating the Car Doctor eight five five five 222 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: zero zero and Tom Ray and company and all. We'll 223 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: be back right after this. Need advice on how to 224 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: maintaining that classic g t O. Ron is the guy 225 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: five five five zero zero. Here's Ron. Hey, let's get 226 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: over to Greg and Iowa. Greg. Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir, 227 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: How can I help hi? There? You've kind of made 228 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: me worried over the last few months talking about Nissan rogues. 229 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: I have a two thousand fourteen Nissan rogue with the 230 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: CVT and you've made some comments about those not having 231 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: a great lifespan. Well, I think, yeah, the CVT s 232 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: and those aren't. And here I'll say it like this, Greg. 233 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: So part of what you get when you listen to 234 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: me is you get a lot of scientific fact, you know, 235 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: straight mechanical stuff out of the book, what I remember 236 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: the day to day. And then some of what you 237 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: get is what I've seen that contradicts the you know, 238 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: the the opinion out of the book or the mechanical 239 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: fact and what they what they say. I have a 240 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: very dear relationship with the shop former of the local 241 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: Nissan dealer. As a matter of fact, I can called 242 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: him up at three o'clock in the morning and we'll 243 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: sit and check shout about Nissans off the cuff, and 244 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: he'll tell you what he really thinks and what he 245 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: sees because he does it every day and we're both 246 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: we're both roughly in the same edge group. We've been 247 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: chewing on the same dirt for the same amount of time, 248 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: and you know, we've had the same amount of of 249 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: of of frustrations together. It seems. And what I've noticed, 250 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: and Tim would back this up if he were here, 251 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: is that the CVT and the Nissan seems to be 252 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: their achilles heel. They they they don't seem to go 253 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: the distance. Now, Nissan by the book to buy the book. 254 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: Information is Nissan calls for typical service on their CVTs, 255 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: on most of them, not all of them, at around 256 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: the hundred and twenty thousand mile mark. Some of their 257 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: CVT s they call for fluid service at the sixty 258 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: thousand mile mark. It doesn't seem to matter. Um. I 259 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: remember the conversation with Tim not too long ago where 260 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: I brought this up and he said, Ron, it wouldn't 261 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: matter if you change the fluid every ten thousand miles. 262 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: When you get a bad one, you get a bad one. 263 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: When it wants to go, it's gone and no amount 264 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: of fluid or service is gonna help it in any way, 265 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: shape or form. And I said, so what do you do? 266 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: He says, if you buy one, you make sure you 267 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: got extended warrant. That's from the that's from the tech 268 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: in the field fixing them. He's the shop formative at 269 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: the Nissan dealer. He's like he's the guy. He sees 270 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: it all day long, all right, Um, you know, and 271 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: sometimes I'll call him up for therapy. He'll call me 272 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: up for therapy. We we we we talk about this 273 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: stuff all the time. What can you do with yours? 274 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: Stand top of the maintenance. Make sure you have an 275 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: extended warranty. Be aware that the majority of CVT Nissans, 276 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: depending upon your making model, likely have some extended warranty 277 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: from the factory that they're not even talking about yet. 278 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: And that's something that I keep stumbling across. A lot 279 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: of the Nissan transits have extended powertrain coverage I think 280 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: ten years, hundred fifty thousand miles. So you know, you 281 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: want to be aware of that if you're if you're 282 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: servicing one, or you're you're you're driving one. But you know, 283 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: there's not much more you can do. Greg, It's it's 284 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: they're good vehicles. Every vehicle out there has an achilles heel. 285 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 1: Every vehicle out there has a flaw in it. Um, 286 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: that's the one that we know about yours. You know, 287 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: that's the one. And yeah, somebody's going to listen, somebody's 288 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: going to have that one that gets to the quarter 289 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: million mile mark and I'll get a hundred pieces of 290 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: hate mail. Ron, You're crazy. My Nissan's got two or 291 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: fifty miles on the trans and never been apart. Good 292 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: you got the one. Um, you know, we're we're we're 293 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: going on the standard, all right. When I call up 294 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: Tim on Thursday and say how's your week going, and 295 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: he says, I've got nine trans as apart scattered around 296 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: the shop, that's a lot of transmissions, all right, you know, 297 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: even in this day and age. And that's a lot 298 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: of transmission spread out over three or four or five 299 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: model years depending upon the week. Uh. You know, So 300 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: that's where that's coming from, you know. And and and 301 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm always looking for a mechanical reason. Don't 302 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: misunderstand me. It's it's it's it's very easy to say 303 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: everything's a piece of junk. It's not that everything is 304 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: a piece of junk. Everything has its flaw and it's 305 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: it's it's it's maybe not designed or designed as well 306 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: as the engineer wanted it to be. If you get 307 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: my if you get my drift, sure, all right? That 308 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: make you feel better? Like I had the car. Yeah, 309 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: I bought the car about ten thousand, and I had 310 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: the fluid changed out at one thirty and we're at 311 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: one six right now. So uh, so far I've been blessed. Right, 312 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: so far, I've been blessed. Now, Now that's not to say, 313 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: and you don't unless you've got service records that trans 314 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: might have been done at the seventy five thousand mile mark, 315 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: and and that and that you know, most of the 316 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: it seems that most of the CVT initial failures occur 317 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: in the sixty eight thousand mile mark. Don't ask me why. 318 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: It's just like back back in the day when fort 319 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: Spark plugs were blown out of the heads, it was 320 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: it was it was always the third one on the 321 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: passenger side and the second one on the driver's side, 322 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: depending upon how the head was laid on at the factory, 323 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: because it was the same head just reversed and we 324 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: just we just noticed that as as as a failure trend. 325 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: So all right, sir, very good, all right, you take 326 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: good care of great thank you, You're very welcome. Enjoy 327 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: your vehicle. I hope I made it better for you. Um, 328 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: I really do. So let's get on over and talk 329 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: to uh, let's get on over and talk to Steve 330 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire. Steve, you're on with the car doctor, sir? 331 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: How can I help? Happy? Thanks, Happy Thanksgiving? Ron, same 332 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: to you, sir. What's going on? Not too much for 333 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: for tahos He seventy one package. UM was underneath the 334 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: vehicle a couple of weeks ago and discovered that the 335 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: I'll call them the body mounts. There's two upfront to 336 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: in the rear the buff the size of a softball. 337 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: UM those the rubber has dried out on them, and 338 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: there's some rusta in the area and one of them 339 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: is UH is definitely out. I can feel it as 340 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: I go over some potholes. My question to you is UM, 341 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: I was There's very little in terms of replacement procedure 342 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: on the internet. I'm thinking I can get onto the 343 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: um PB, blast all four UM and then get up 344 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: there with an impact UH gun and loosen the one 345 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: UH screw. It's a fairly large screw UH and then 346 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: jack the vehicle up, separate the body from the frame. 347 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: My question is, do you think I'm going to uh, 348 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to run into any problems with break lines? Well? 349 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: Have the brake lines ever been done? Steve? Yes, they're 350 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: all replaced. If they're all replaced, you should be okay. However, 351 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: what I what I'd like you to think about and 352 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: just be aware of, is the one brake line that's 353 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: always sort of like the snake in the woodpile, is 354 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: the one that runs along the back of the frame 355 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: by the gas tank, and you know it, maybe where 356 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: you want to consider having the tank empty. Maybe pull 357 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: the tank. It will give you better access to the 358 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: body mounts. Maybe now is the time to run that 359 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: brake line. This way you get a fresh piece of 360 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: real steel line in there, depending upon what they replaced 361 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: it with. Soak everything with P B blaster like you say, 362 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: and then tighten the bolts first, then loosen them, and 363 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: chances are you should be fine. Steve, I appreciate the call. 364 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: Keep them coming and stay safe up there in New 365 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: Hampshire Way. I'm running any of the car Doctor. We're 366 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: back right after this, dashing through the snow in my arrest. 367 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: He down the road, I go sliding all the way. 368 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: I need news and a lot more than that running 369 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: any of the car Doctor. Let's get on over to 370 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: Bob in New York O five Christler three D. Bob, 371 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, Sir, how can I help? Hey, Ron, 372 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: thanks for taking the call. Hope you had nice Thanksgiving. 373 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: I did, sir, Thank you same to you. I have 374 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: a two thousand five christ with three hundred but at 375 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: two point seven uh. Issue started out with a check 376 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: engine light. I was getting a P two zero nine 377 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: eight and a P zero one three. Um. Since then 378 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: we had changed the oxygen sensors on bank too. I 379 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: changed the front oxygen sensor first, uh, the three went 380 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: off and I still have the P two zero nine eight. 381 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: So subsequent to that, I changed the back censer on 382 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: the same bank, and when we let the car down 383 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: off the off the ramp, I got a cranking but 384 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: no uh, no fuel going into the to the engine. UM. 385 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: So right now I can't even run the car to 386 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: see whether that P two zero or nine eight went 387 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: off from the oxygen sensor of replacement. When when when 388 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: you say you have when you say you have no fuel, Bob, 389 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: how do you know that? What do you mean no fuel? 390 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: You have no fuel pressure, you have no fuel delivery? Yeah, 391 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't have I don't have a gauge. But if 392 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: we raise some start of fluid into the intake of 393 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: a start up but without the fuel being without me 394 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: spreading spraying that into the intake, the car will just cranking, cranking, crank. 395 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: I do get a good spot right now. So prior 396 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: to we started with them, So prior to you lifting 397 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: it and putting the O two cents er in the 398 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: car ran it just set trouble codes. Absolutely, he was 399 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: running fine. And just when we dropped it off the 400 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: jack stands. Uh, that's when we lost the fuel pressure. Okay, 401 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: So pump still hums when I turned the key on, 402 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: but it'll only start if I spray some start of 403 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: fluid into the intake. All right, So let's let's take 404 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: the fuel pump. And I'm saying this figuratively, take the 405 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: fuel pump away from the car. How would you know 406 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: if that fuel pump is working? You tell me, I 407 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: want you to think, well, I would say the lack 408 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: of fuel pressure. Well, but how you know, let's make 409 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: it simple. Can we go look at power and ground 410 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: to see if the pump is actually running? You're saying 411 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: the pumps running right right? Yeah, it does humble when 412 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: you turn the key on. Uh. You know you get 413 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: a vibration from the pump, But I don't know if 414 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 1: it's actually pumping fuel. Okay, so it is volts? All right, 415 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: So it is getting twelve volts because we hear the 416 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: pump running. Let's make that assumption dangerous as that is. 417 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: The next step is we're either going to disconnect the 418 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: rail somewhere and get a gas can and put the 419 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: line into the cannon, just spray fuel into the camp, 420 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: which I really don't like to do. It's gonna come 421 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: out at s I. It's high. It's it's it's it's 422 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: high pressure. To me, I'd rather see you go buy 423 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: a gage. Let'sok, up a fuel pressure gage and do 424 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: you have fuel pressure? It's as simple as that. I'm 425 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: gonna bet that you do have fuel pressure and there's 426 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: something else going on here. My next comment would be, 427 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: have you tried listening to the injectors to see if 428 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: they click? Uh? No, I haven't done that. Do you 429 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: have a scan tool, Bob? Yes? I do. Okay, if 430 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: you look at the scan tool while you're cranking, does 431 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: it show rpm? Um? Right, that's another thing we could try, 432 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: because if you're cranking it and it doesn't see an 433 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: RPM signal, it's never gonna turn on the injectors. I see. 434 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: So even when I sprayed the start of fluid into 435 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: the intake and it does start up. That would not 436 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: confirm that those injectors are working. How are the injectors working? 437 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, are you saying are you saying it 438 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: starts and runs? It starts and runs until the fuel 439 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: that I you know, I spray in, you know, like 440 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: a ten second spray of start of fluid running, then 441 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: then will go out on me. Okay, think about that 442 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: statement you just made. I'm gonna I'm gonna beat you 443 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: up a little bit. Think about that statement you just made. 444 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: I'm making you think you're spraying fuel into the intake 445 00:22:54,160 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: manifold where the injectors, the actors are attached right there, 446 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: they're attached to the fuel rail. The injectors. The injectors 447 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with with the intake. I think, 448 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: so I could show I have a problem with the injectives. 449 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: Right you're you're you're not. What you're describing to me is, 450 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: for some reason, whether you have fuel pressure or not, 451 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: the injectors are not dispensing fuel. So they're not dispensing 452 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: fuel either because we have low pressure, no pressure, or 453 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: no signal at the injector. Makes sense, makes sense? It 454 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: makes sense. There's only there's only there's only three reasons 455 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: why it can happen, and those are the only three 456 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 1: I can think of. All right, Um, you're providing an 457 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: alternate fuel source. Hence, hence you could you could take 458 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: the traditional what I always call the bottle of propane 459 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: and the bleeder set up, feed this engine propane and 460 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: make it run indefinitely off propane propanes of fuel, you know, 461 00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: putting propane down the throat. Right, But but that's got 462 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: nothing to do with telling me what the injectors are doing, 463 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: because I've bypassed that. I've provided a completely alternate way 464 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: of getting fuel into the engine. Just what you're doing, 465 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: all right, I'm just doing it a little bit more refined. 466 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: But you're you're you're accomplishing the same thing, right, Okay, 467 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: I'm not. The injectors are offerable all night. Well, we 468 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: could do it a couple of different ways. I don't 469 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: remember how accessible they are, and oh five on a 470 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: christ or three hundred. The easiest way I recall is 471 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: just a mechanic stethoscope. Do they click click click click 472 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: click click click, you know, And the easiest way to 473 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: understand what you're looking for is go find a similar vehicle, 474 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: or go find another car in the driveway with injectors 475 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: on it, and listen to those injectors through a stethoscope. 476 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: Or back in the day, we would use a real 477 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: long screwdriver, a real old school way of doing it 478 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: as a mechanic, all right, and and just listen to 479 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: the injectors click click click click click click click click 480 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: click click, and you know it's you start to listen 481 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: to injectors. After a while, you can tell when one's 482 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: really struggling. It'll change its tone, it'll, it'll and there's 483 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 1: a bunch of scientific wait listen, we could hook up 484 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: a scope and look at injector on time and and 485 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: pintel hump, and a whole bunch of other things and 486 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 1: current ramp the injectors. We could go nuts. I'm just 487 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: trying to get us to the point, where are the 488 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: injectors opening and closing? If none of the injectors are 489 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: working all right, and the fact that it starts and 490 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: runs tells me the crank signal is likely there. I'm 491 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: sure we've got an RPM signal. Now, I've got to 492 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: know if the injectors are clicking while it's running, and 493 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: they will click even though it's not dispensing fuel. Do 494 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: we have a fuel pressure issue? And is that what 495 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: you're trying to You know, you're trying to diagnose something 496 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: without any tools, and and we've we've got to get creative. Yeah, 497 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: it's go buy right. For all the money you're gonna 498 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: spend on guessing at parts, go buy a fuel pressure gauge. 499 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: Go buy a mechanic stethoscope, have some basic functioning hand tools, 500 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: and you know, just just make it a one cylinder engine. 501 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: How would you work on it? The last thing I 502 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: want to leave you with, Bobby, is could you possibly 503 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: have a a um an anti theft issue for some reason? 504 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: Where you know are there is there an anti theft event? 505 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: Although I want a Chrysler that should be a no crank, 506 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: no start condition a little bit different than what you're experiencing. 507 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: But it doesn't hurt to go looking at fault codes 508 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: just to see do you have anything there? And go 509 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: look and see do you see cranking RPM on a 510 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: scan tool when the problem happens? And um does that 511 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: tell you something? So I got a couple of things 512 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: to do. Call me back next week. We can kind 513 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: of take it from there. Zero zero. By the way, 514 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: somebody has to nag Tom Ray. I want to get 515 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: rid of this book, the Complete Book of Corvettes. I'd 516 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: like to do it this hour if I could. So. 517 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: Let's see if Tom can manage to give it away 518 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: to somebody for a good holiday gifter for themselves. We'd 519 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: be glad to mail it out to you. I'm rounding 520 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: any in the car doctor will return right after this. 521 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back, run any of the car doctor. Let's get 522 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: on over and talk to Carry in Indiana. Carry. Welcome 523 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: to the car doctor, sir, How can I help? Air? 524 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: Sounds like I have a similar problem to your last collar. 525 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: What's going on here? What do you have? It's a 526 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: Chrysler two hundred UH starting issue. Was driving it last night, 527 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: just got out of it, jumped back in. UH it 528 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 1: turns over but would not start. I got a toad, 529 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: brought it back home. UH, checked it out with starter 530 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: fluid that started it. I had a spare UH fuel 531 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: pomp that I had taken out. It had she pressure 532 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: issues that it would work. It worked which once it 533 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 1: got started, once it started, it was fine. So I 534 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: threw it back in just to see, you know, and 535 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: the same issue and then I also had a spare 536 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: a throttle body. Uh, it's actually it's brand new, so 537 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: I pulled the throttle body, put it in just for 538 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: kicks and grins, and the same issue. It'll it'll try 539 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: to turn over as antil of the battery dies. Okay, 540 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: but but but but wait a second. So, so you're 541 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: going on the assumption that it's got no fuel pressure 542 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: because you put starter fluid in it. But and it starts. 543 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: But do you hear the pump run? Yeah, it sounds 544 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: like the pump turns on. But I've had that. I 545 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: had that issue before. The pump would turn on, but 546 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: it still wouldn't start. Okay. Do you have any kind 547 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: of a scan tool carry? I don't. All right, Um, 548 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of how I'm trying to think 549 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: of how we could do this. If you go to 550 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: do you have a voltmeter, digital vote meter, I've got, 551 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: I've got I've got a multimeter. Okay, yeah, same thing, 552 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: digital voltmeter. Um, you know where the do you know 553 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: where the tip of them is the totally integrated power 554 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: module under the hood. Okay, So if you go to 555 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: it's it's connector C seven, which is the light grade 556 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: two pin connector on the tip of them. Yeah, I 557 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: think it's right. I saw a video. I think it's 558 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: right at the front of it department. If you go, 559 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: if you go to pin eleven, that should be a 560 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: dark blue orange wire, all right. When when you when 561 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: you've got this car running, that wire should have twelve volts. 562 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: That's the feed going back to the fuel pump, all right, 563 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: So you know it beats crawling under the car run 564 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: run gets lazy the older he gets. Um, I want 565 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: to do it where I have access, not, you know, 566 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: let me let me crawl around where all the bugs 567 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: and slugs and wider webs are. Nah, let me try 568 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: this from up front. But now keep in mind, if 569 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: you've got twelve volts up there, that doesn't necessarily mean 570 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: you've got it back at the tank. But at least 571 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: it's a starting point, you know, before you go through 572 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: the pane of crawling under the car. Um you know, 573 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: or getting access to it, or what are you doing 574 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: assessing the fuel pump through the trunk, through through a 575 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: panel under the seat. I'm trying to remembers it's easy 576 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: to get yea, Yeah, that's what I Yeah, I kind 577 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: of remember there was some kind of quick access. But 578 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: let's just see what we have. Or go right to 579 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: the go right to the pump. Put twelve volts on 580 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: it all right now at the pump. Also, there should 581 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: be a black wire right which is ground for the 582 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: fuel pump. Okay, let's let's break this down. Let's you know, 583 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: tell me what's good. Do you have an old headlight 584 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: line around the house, like an old round headlight or 585 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: an old square headlight. Well, you're gonna have to. I've 586 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: got plenty of the plenty of the of the bulbs, 587 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: you know, the like the how okay, all right, Sometimes 588 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: it's easier to deal with the old school stuff, just 589 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: because you know they're easier and self contained. But why 590 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: are a headlight into the dark blue and the black wire? 591 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: If if you go and get this car to running, 592 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: the headlight lights up and it's bright, we know we've 593 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: got good voltage, good current, and a good ground. We 594 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: just eliminated the electrical side of this circuit, right because 595 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: you haven't you haven't really tested that. All you did 596 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: was put a fuel pump back in that you said 597 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: has known problems. So you know the fact that the 598 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: car still doesn't start. If the car doesn't have twelve 599 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: volts or a good twelve volts signal. If it's got 600 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: eight vaults instead of twelve, that pump is still not 601 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: gonna work, right, agreed? Yeah, right, I take it still work. 602 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: But if it's not getting enough pressure, it's not going 603 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: to start, right it's and if it doesn't have if 604 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't have proper voltage, the pump is not gonna 605 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: be able to build proper pressure. Hence the no start. 606 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: Same thing we always have to think about, you know 607 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 1: how the groundside of a circuit effects us. All right, 608 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: if we've got poor ground then we're not going to 609 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: get proper current flow through the circuit, through the through 610 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: the electrical motor, and we're still not gonna build pressure. 611 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: So let's verify voltage at the pump, all right. And 612 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: once we have that same conversation as I have with 613 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: the other gentleman, let's get a mechanic stethoscope. Do we 614 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: have access to the injectors which I'm trying to remember 615 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: where they are, Um, they're kind of buried on this 616 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: if I recall, if you can get to them, um, 617 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, do you have the ability to listen to them? 618 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: Do they click? Those two things the fact that it 619 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: runs on starter fluid. And by the way, let's take 620 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: a look. Do you have cranking rpm? I've seen stranger 621 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: things and um let's take a look at that. Consider 622 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: those things and call me back next week. Good luck 623 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: to you. Carry I'm running any in the car. Doctor, 624 00:32:49,400 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: we'll return right after this blocome back on the name 625 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: of the car. Dr Darryl. We've got two minutes, you 626 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: and I, So let's get this done. Go twelve camera. 627 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: What's going on with this car? Oh, it's a weak 628 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: and transmission fluid even its idol, you know, cooking pant. 629 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: And I guess I did I guess I didn't hit 630 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: it hard enough. Oh yeah, I've been doing this kind 631 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: of work nineteen But it's just I gotta beat the 632 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: you know what would engineer's hammer or well you understand. 633 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: So what are you saying? You're seeing it leak at 634 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: the axle seal where where the inboid where joint goes 635 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: into the trans and you're just getting a continuous leak. Yeah, 636 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: if if you wash it, if you wash it off, 637 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: it just comes right back. Well I didn't try washing 638 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: it off or anything. I got an extra seal. I 639 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: got my money back from Rockato all of it. So 640 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: I got an I gotta be off on part chaft. Well, 641 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: let's do this here, let's let's let's think about it 642 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: like this. If this is a leak, you know, first 643 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: thing we want to know is is this a leak 644 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: that happens from sitting or from driving? Is it a 645 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: pressure leak sitting it'll leave? Yeah? I think driving too. 646 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: We couldn't back it up, my wife, and so you 647 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: had to park it and take our crawl. So do this, 648 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: do this for me, humor me, wash it off and 649 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: let it sit. Does it leak? Does it leak from 650 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: sitting without driving? That'll tell you something. If it leaks 651 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: from sitting without driving, then it's not a pressure leak, 652 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: it's just a constant leak. Then we've got to find it, 653 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: all right. Is the inner surface where the seal sits 654 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: against the axle? Is the is the axles, you know, 655 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: gouged up such that it can't do it? Alright? That 656 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: it can't seal? Is that part of the problem? All right? 657 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: Do that and then call me back. And as a 658 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: matter of fact, Darryl, stay put. We're gonna hold you 659 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: over until the next hour. We'll finish second half of 660 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: your question. You'll have to catch us there on the 661 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: flip side. I'm Ronininny in the car doctor. What a 662 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: busy hour until the next time, reminding each and every 663 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: one of you who mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. Let's 664 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: see it.