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Speaker 2: Good morning, Sweatmirl and welcome to the No Dunks podcast

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Speaker 2: on the Athletic Network of Fine Network. It's Wednesday, October fifth,

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Speaker 2: away in the stream team. On today's pod, we're going

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Speaker 2: Monday show if you're a Western Conference siko. We did

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Speaker 4: Maybe in the endurance sports, Yeah yeah, in the ocean,

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Speaker 4: It's incredible. Thirty seven points five blocks last night. He's

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Speaker 2: Atlantic Division. I think it's the most talented division in

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Speaker 2: There's three teams here in this division that are over

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Speaker 2: The Boston Celtics. They had a quiet offseason, but fifty

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Speaker 6: Here the Boston Celtics with fifty four and a half,

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Speaker 6: Game seven, that doesn't happen, I think the Celtics team

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Speaker 6: I think their best players in Jason Tatum and Jaylen

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Speaker 6: I expect them to be a rock. They added another

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Speaker 7: This is a team that wants to win.

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Speaker 6: And I might be getting a little deep here with

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Speaker 7: Four and has a lot.

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Speaker 6: It's a big number for sure, but I'm going over

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: I think last season Smart filled in as a point guard,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go for the under here actually because I

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Speaker 4: They could hit fifty four wins, go under and still

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Speaker 4: to see Blake Griffin play real minutes just because of

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Speaker 7: Pretty good, really impressive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like they both had their mouth open and you

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Speaker 4: can see their red curls. That's nice. But I think

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Speaker 4: but I'm just going under because fifty five wins is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm signing with you, Trey. I also think, like

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Speaker 2: I mean, he might miss two muths of action here,

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Speaker 2: I question a little bit, so I just go under too.

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Speaker 2: I think they're still going to be contenders. I think

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Speaker 2: all these other teams that we'll get to here that

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the fifty flirt, there's gonna be a lot of phishs.

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Speaker 7: You're give me a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Fifty flirts in the East and will this is could

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Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to watching the big man rotation as

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Speaker 6: And I think they're good enough on on the perimeter,

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Speaker 7: And it's unfortunate.

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Speaker 6: Who knows when rober Williams comes back, as he said

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Speaker 6: he played through an injury last year. As team, this

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn Nets fifty and a half.

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Speaker 7: Who's going over?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is anybody going to go over.

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Speaker 7: Well, they can pick no right, you can't, no way.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe in this team at all the way.

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Speaker 3: Do you talk about off season distructions? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, he didn't want to be there. He asked

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Speaker 3: He's going to go out there and play hard and

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Speaker 3: he's going to try to win. But I think there's

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Speaker 3: to be there. They'll trade him if they can, if

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Speaker 3: that hasn't happened. And Ben Simmons, I mean we saw

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Speaker 3: need to score. I've said this before. If I'm scouting

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to double up on Kevin Durant because

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say, you can shoot all you want,

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Speaker 3: he's just going.

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Speaker 2: To take off. You should avoid this line like the yeah.

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Speaker 3: Forty four wins last year, fifty and a half. Now,

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Speaker 3: I've got them well under, well, yeah I'm believing them

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what do you agree that you're going under?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going under. I mean you could talk yourself

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Speaker 6: They're so good. You can start looking at them on

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Speaker 6: win fifty one games. Katie needs to hoop. It's in

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Speaker 6: his blood. Kevin Durant is out there hooping. He will

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Speaker 6: be This team will be good. Yeah, if he's out there.

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Speaker 6: He was injured for a good part of the year.

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Speaker 6: But it's like the casual fan that nobody wants to

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Speaker 6: the roller coaster that they took us on. But you

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Speaker 6: could talk yourself into it. Because Kyrie's in a contract year.

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Speaker 6: He said last year cost him four years and one

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Speaker 6: hundred plus million dollars. Yeah, he probably wants to get

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Speaker 6: that back. Ben Simmons will guard the other team's best player.

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Speaker 6: They're going to be better defensively. And you can start

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Speaker 7: You can talk yourself into it.

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Speaker 2: You know they also traded. I'm not talking. You're not

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Speaker 2: going too, but honestly, you just talked to me. I'm

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Speaker 2: going over. Why not. Somebody's got to swerve here.

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Speaker 4: I'll go over on the nets like you're saying, Kevin

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Speaker 4: Durant when he's healthy, one of the three best guys

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Speaker 4: five games of Kyrie Irving in the contract. Ye're wanting

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Speaker 4: to play because the squad they've built around these two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they put it a lot, but I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: You talk it, don't put real money on on this show.

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Speaker 2: You're going over. I think I'm with you, Trey, because

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like they did trace for trade

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You know? Is there is there any bubble Warren left

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Speaker 2: They reassigned Patty Mills, Claxton Kessler Edwards. This good deep team, Utah.

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Speaker 2: What's a Navy? Oh?

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Speaker 7: Sure player?

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Speaker 2: Ah? Man like yeah, and if Duran is your star

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Speaker 2: You know if they get off to a slow start.

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Speaker 3: He's going to press the trigger button unless it's like

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Speaker 3: They really harassed him into a terrible series as far

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Speaker 2: It was the Celtics. They were like the best in

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Speaker 3: And yeah, no we't have to see them every night,

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Speaker 3: until I can't. And then he missed like six weeks

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Speaker 3: He missed that with the Achilles. After the finals against

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Speaker 2: to our bets for the first two teams there in

432
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Speaker 2: the Laft Division. But yeah, that one's that one's insane,

433
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Speaker 2: all right. Our next one, the New York Knicks, big

434
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Speaker 2: mons and a half. Twitter was buzzing last night. Jealen

435
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 2: Brunson scored and they went nuts. They're like, yes, we

436
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,640
Speaker 2: got a point guard finally, but thirty nine and a half,

437
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 2: you know, not even a five hundred squad? Is that

438
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Speaker 2: too low? Where were you going?

439
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Speaker 3: Well, they only won thirty seven last year, so they

440
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 3: are better team than they were last year. I think yes,

441
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Speaker 3: because I think RJ Barrett they gave him a bag.

442
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,920
Speaker 3: I think he is a better player. I think he's

443
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Speaker 3: going to be better and Brunson should improve them, so

444
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Speaker 3: you know.

445
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Speaker 2: And Randall, he can't be worse. And that's the thing

446
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Speaker 2: is is that's the thing.

447
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Speaker 3: If you if you balance out the last two seasons,

448
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 3: it's probably about Okay, a decent team. They played above

449
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,439
Speaker 3: expectations two years ago and below them last year, so

450
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Speaker 3: if they can hit the middle this year, they'll get

451
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Speaker 3: that thirty what did we say, thirty seven thirty nine

452
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Speaker 3: and a half. So yeah, give me a forty win

453
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Speaker 3: team for the Knicks. I'll go half a game over here.

454
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Speaker 3: I sort of want them to be better because they

455
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 3: started off so well well literally, I think the first

456
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,359
Speaker 3: three games last year they were really good and then

457
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 3: the wheels fell off a bit. But I think RJ.

458
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Speaker 3: Barrett is in for a good season and uh and

459
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Speaker 3: Brunson should improve them. Sorry, you're hitting the over give

460
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Speaker 3: me the again.

461
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Speaker 2: Just just well.

462
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Speaker 6: I believe in Brunson and I'm starting to buy the RJ.

463
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Speaker 6: Barrett hype train. I'm getting on it. So if those

464
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Speaker 6: two guys are good, I think that you've got a

465
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Speaker 6: five hundred team.

466
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Speaker 2: And R J.

467
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Speaker 6: Barrett said preseason, I think the Knicks will shock the

468
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Speaker 6: world media day, Well, is.

469
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Speaker 7: Forty one shot in the world, I guess.

470
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Speaker 3: I mean they were already, man, we shot it.

471
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Speaker 7: Brunson's a rock if RJ.

472
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Speaker 6: Barrett can be good, And I'm buying into what he

473
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Speaker 6: did in the summer and buying into his confidence. He

474
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Speaker 6: said he worked on his decision making with the ball

475
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Speaker 6: finishing in the paint and free throws. According to our

476
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Speaker 6: man Fred kat So, he worked on his free throws.

477
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Speaker 6: But that's the important part. No, the important part is

478
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Speaker 6: that he was He didn't say he was working on

479
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Speaker 6: a shot like everybody does. He was working on the

480
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Speaker 6: things that r J. Barrett needs to be good at.

481
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Speaker 6: And there's actually some proof in the putting that he

482
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Speaker 6: is going to be a driver and not just a

483
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Speaker 6: three point shooter, because it's that's that's not where he's

484
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Speaker 6: going to be great last year.

485
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Speaker 2: Especially if he's not practicing.

486
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true, but he were last year. This is

487
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Speaker 6: shocking to me. He was great at driving from New

488
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Speaker 6: Year's Eve through the end of the season. So forty

489
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Speaker 6: seven games, he took seven point seven shots per game

490
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Speaker 6: at the rim. He went hard to the rim. Only Lebron,

491
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 6: John Morain and Ganis took more. That's great company. So

492
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Speaker 6: if he is a driver and focused on that, and

493
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Speaker 6: I'm buying the confidence that they're going to shock the

494
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Speaker 6: world if he's going to say that on media day,

495
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Speaker 6: him and Brunson the Rocks. As you said, Randall's probably

496
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Speaker 6: going to be better. Mitchell Robinson and forty eight round

497
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Speaker 6: out the five A forty win team. Count me shocked.

498
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Speaker 6: I think they'll go over.

499
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Speaker 4: I'm exactly the same. I think they're about a five

500
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Speaker 4: hundred team. I think having competence at the point guard

501
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Speaker 4: position is going to be huge. I'm betting on Randall

502
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Speaker 4: being somewhere between all NBA and all stink, and I mean,

503
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Speaker 4: maybe we get the best Bearret we've seen. I feel

504
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 4: like Canadians overrate him more than anybody else out there,

505
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Speaker 4: or Canadian adjacent people like Zach Lowe.

506
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Speaker 2: I'm also in a little bit on r J. Barrett here.

507
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 4: He's a little bit of a Jimmy Butler and that's

508
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Speaker 4: why he needs to work on his decision making. And

509
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 4: it's passing because Jimmy's a way better passer, but similar

510
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: games in that they get to the line and don't

511
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 4: want to take jumpers. That being said, r J. Barrett

512
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 4: should be working on his three pointers because they leave

513
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 4: the guy wide open all the time. You got to

514
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Speaker 4: make some of them. The main issue for me is

515
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 4: that Tom Thiboda is probably going to get in the

516
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Speaker 4: way of this team. We're already seeing Evan Fournier start

517
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Speaker 4: over Quentin Grimes, even though Quentin Grimes is preferred by

518
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Speaker 4: the front office. That seems strange to me. We know

519
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Speaker 4: that Tis is gonna value veterans. Will he actually play

520
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 4: Obie top in this year? It remains to be seen.

521
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Speaker 4: I think that's an issue for the Knicks. But they

522
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 4: should be able to win forty or forty one games.

523
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Speaker 2: And they brought in Isaiah Hartenstein.

524
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Speaker 7: There we go.

525
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Speaker 2: There it is who you know Knicks fans are going

526
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Speaker 2: to fall in love with. He is a solid role player,

527
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: good backup big there. He'll get some in especially with TIBs.

528
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Speaker 2: I believe. Good point about if they got off to

529
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Speaker 2: a slow start, would they move off of Tom Thibert.

530
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so he's on the hot toes seat.

531
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Speaker 2: I think you think so.

532
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Speaker 3: I think so? Yeah, Wow Wow, I think yeah, I

533
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 3: think so because of the white things went down last season,

534
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: and again he's been there. This would be the season

535
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: said now, I was like, Okay, he's had enough time.

536
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Speaker 3: You know, I think they'll they'll move on. If I

537
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Speaker 3: get off to a terrible.

538
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: Stop, I'm going over as well. All four of us

539
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: are going over on the next That's that's worrisome. But

540
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Speaker 2: I guess we're saying about a five hundred team. I

541
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Speaker 2: just I really do. And I said this when the

542
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Speaker 2: trade happened, or excuse me, the signing Habnitt Jalen Brunson.

543
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Speaker 2: I equate it to sort of when the Raptors got

544
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Speaker 2: Lowry back in the day, like just to have a competent,

545
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Speaker 2: sort of hard nosed point guard that is getting better

546
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Speaker 2: and then and really Brunson even younger than sort of

547
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Speaker 2: Lowry was at that point, probably when he was going

548
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Speaker 2: to Raptors, because you know, he kicked around there for

549
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: a bit. I think that means a lot to the

550
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Speaker 2: other guys on your team. Just to have some like

551
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: just some solidity there at that position will really help.

552
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: And I think it's damn good too. And the contract

553
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: is completely fine, so I like it. I'm gonna go over,

554
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: but they better Knocket off to a slow start Tipical

555
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Speaker 2: out of there.

556
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Speaker 3: And Mitchell Robinson is huge for them at both ends.

557
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 3: If he plays, yeah, that's the problem, and its hurt.

558
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: He's always hurt, and he sort of struggles to finish games.

559
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: His conditioning was bad last season. So if they can

560
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: get you know, seventy games out of Mitchell Robinson, then

561
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 3: I think that's going to have a huge impact on there,

562
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: especially defense. Rebounding, contesting shots, blocking shots. Tarje Gibson's not

563
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 3: there anymore, so they Tims won't be able to bring

564
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Speaker 3: back his forty five year old sixty six backup center. Yeah.

565
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Speaker 3: Maybe now I think he went somewhere else. There is

566
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Speaker 3: there is he without a contract anyway, is.

567
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Speaker 2: On a team. Yeah, I'm trying a blank on he's

568
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: definitely maybe it's part of.

569
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Speaker 3: That anyway, Mitchell Robinson, Like I say, I just feel

570
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 3: they just need his presence on the court at both ends,

571
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Speaker 3: and he's just got to stay healthy.

572
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Speaker 2: Philadelphia seventy six ers another according to bed MGM, team

573
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Speaker 2: with an over underwent total of over fifty. So fifty

574
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Speaker 2: and a half right there, Tray, you get a started

575
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Speaker 2: on this one. People are high on the fill. I

576
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: knew you were going to ask.

577
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Speaker 4: I knew you were going to because you know I'm

578
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: in on James Harden once again.

579
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Speaker 2: Did you see how skinny he looked in front of

580
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: that picture of Allen Iverson?

581
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 7: No I missed it.

582
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Speaker 4: Oh he's looking rips tests They always do, like James

583
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 4: Harden last year to James Harden this year. It looks

584
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: the same every time. But I'm always like he's trimmered somehow,

585
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 4: and just for people saying it, I know this is

586
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 4: a potential one seed. To me, though, I think they're

587
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 4: gonna win a ton of games in the regular season.

588
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 4: Joel Embiid is obviously an MVP candidate, one of the

589
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 4: top three choices. James Harden, even if he's not an

590
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 4: MVP candidate, he makes things a lot easier for Embiid.

591
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Speaker 4: They were really great in the pick and roll last year,

592
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 4: and that was figuring things out mid season. I like

593
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Speaker 4: what they did depth wise on the wing, adding Dan

594
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Speaker 4: will House, adding PJ. Tucker, d Anthony Melton, all solid

595
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 4: players who got that dog in him. You got Mantrez Harrell,

596
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Speaker 4: one of the highest dog quotients in all of the NBA,

597
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Speaker 4: and you've got the most improved player in the league

598
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Speaker 4: this season, Tyrese Maxi.

599
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Speaker 2: So I love what the Sixers are doing.

600
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Speaker 4: The main concern is that we saw the best and

601
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Speaker 4: Beid we've seen yet in in his NBA career. Last season,

602
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: he played the most games, he played the most minutes,

603
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 4: he got very close to winning the MVP, and they

604
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: barely hit the over last year. I'm counting on, though,

605
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: a more settled team obviously, they don't have the Simmons

606
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: thing hanging over him this year. They still got a

607
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 4: trade chip in matist Thible that I think that they

608
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 4: could move at some point to help even more. I'm

609
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 4: in on the Sixers. I'm a clown going feels good. Yeah,

610
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 4: go big time over big big, big time.

611
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

612
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Speaker 2: This will be a lock for me. Okay, fifteen and

613
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Speaker 2: a half. David alders Test thinks they did have the

614
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Speaker 2: best offseason in the NBA. Trade just went through it all.

615
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Speaker 2: You agree with that, and do you think they hit

616
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Speaker 2: the over?

617
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Speaker 7: I think they're a lock for the over.

618
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Speaker 6: They won fifty one games last year and they didn't

619
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Speaker 6: have anywhere close to the support that they have this year.

620
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Speaker 6: Who is their best player for the majority of last

621
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 6: year's Tobias Harris without Ben Simmons, and then they got

622
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Speaker 6: hardened for the last twenty games. Now they've got a

623
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Speaker 6: full James Harden, they've got PJ. Tucker, they've got the

624
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Speaker 6: Anthony Melton I'm a fan of. That's that's a lot

625
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 6: out of support, and they've got more of an attitude.

626
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 6: I think Joel Embid said in the postseason they lost

627
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 6: to the Heat. Look at that team on the other

628
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 6: side PJ.

629
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Speaker 7: Tucker.

630
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Speaker 6: I mean he leads that team with an attitude. They

631
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 6: go and get that guy, and so I think their

632
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 6: locker room is going to be tough and everybody wants

633
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 6: to play with Joel Embiid. You saw it in the

634
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 6: in the preseason, you had Doc Rivers miked up with

635
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 6: James Harden. Listen, this is we got a pecking order here.

636
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 6: We got a feed Embid, feed Embid, and then it's

637
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 6: you and then it's everybody else. And so I think

638
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 6: they know who they are and PJ. Tucker is gonna

639
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 6: come in and support those dudes, like how do they

640
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 6: leave the locker room and not who they are? I

641
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 6: think they know who they are every time they leave

642
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 6: the locker room. That's that's a low number to me.

643
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 6: And I understand maybe Embiid is at slightly less on

644
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 6: the floor this year, maybe he doesn't play as much,

645
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 6: but he's he's the peak of his powers. And I

646
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 6: think they get better defensively because Harden is a little

647
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 6: healthier and because they've got you know, other defensive minded

648
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 6: guys around them.

649
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 7: So I think you'll get a more complete and Beid

650
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 7: this year.

651
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: Talking about hot seat, I think Doc Ruz is on

652
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 3: one as well there if they do get off to

653
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: a slow start. But yeah, I look, I think with

654
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: Embiid on their team, I found this is the hardest

655
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 3: one to sort of pick because I think they're at

656
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: about where that line is about fifty one wins because

657
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: Embiid can just do it all by himself. And I

658
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: like Trey's point there about Tyros MAXI I think he

659
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: could be the most improved. He was actually almost too

660
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: good last year to make another huge leap this season.

661
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 3: You know, so he finished averaging seventeen points a game.

662
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: James Harden, Look, I don't think he's got that ability

663
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: anymore that he had in Houston, where he was able

664
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: to just run the entire game and go crazy. If

665
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: we saw it last year. He just didn't have that

666
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: explosiveness for an entire game anymore. A couple of plays

667
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: here and there, a couple of moments here there, sort

668
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: of throwbacks.

669
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: But he says it was because of enturies.

670
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe maybe not. I think spect he lost

671
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: one hundred pounds. I just but honestly, in the playoffs

672
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: last year, he had a real chance to sort of

673
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: you know, he'd had enough games and he was healthy enough.

674
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure that he could have gone out there and

675
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: done a little more. I didn't really see it, so

676
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: but I don't also think that that's a detriment to

677
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: the team because they do have nice pieces around their

678
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: main play, which is Joel Embiid, and so I think

679
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: they're about there. I'll say I'll take the under just

680
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: to sort of because they can still win forty nine

681
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: to fifty games, have a good season. I don't think

682
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: they're any more than sort of fifty one to fifty

683
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: two win team anyway at best.

684
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just go over. I don't need to rehash

685
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: everything you guys said. I love the offseason. I think ironically,

686
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: this could be Embiid's best chance to maybe win an MVP,

687
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 2: and I think he'll try the least hardest to go

688
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: get that, which he has of the last two years

689
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: and talked about it a lot, because and what I

690
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: mean by that is if the Sixers have the best

691
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: record in the Eastern Help maybe even the NBA, then

692
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: that's people will go whoa, whoa. You know, maybe they'll

693
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: finally we'll give it to him. Beat It's possibility. So

694
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: I'll go I'll go just over for Philadelphia. Put me

695
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: down for like a fifty three to fifty four win season,

696
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: but that would be over, you know, pretty comfortably. Final

697
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: team in the Atlantic Division, the Toronto Raptors task forty

698
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: six and a half.

699
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 7: You're right, it's a deep division.

700
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: It's honestly stack division is loaded.

701
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 7: Here we're saying the Al East.

702
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: I mean, everybodys saying the Knicks are a five hundred team.

703
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: And then we have four other teams that could be

704
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: flirting with easily flirting with fifty wins. Where do you

705
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: think of the Raptors.

706
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 7: Though, Oh, they're going to flirt with it, baby.

707
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 6: This this is an over lock it in. They have

708
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 6: hit the over number on ten of the last eleven seasons.

709
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 6: That's what they do. They exceed expectations. Like Pascal Siak

710
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 6: and people might say, oh, he's a good player, he's

711
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 6: a two time All NBA player, he's a healthy in

712
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 6: his prime. Then you've got Van Vliet, who led the

713
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 6: league last year and minutes played. He's not going to

714
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 6: have to do that again. He tried to play through

715
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 6: a knee injury because he's tough. He said he would

716
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 6: do it again. But I think he's going to be

717
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 6: smarter about it, as he said to Eric Kreen. And

718
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 6: then you've got Scottie Barnes who's only getting better, and

719
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 6: they've got ridiculous depth behind those guys that they didn't

720
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 6: have last year, Auto Porter Junior coming over a full

721
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 6: thad year, and that Thadeus Young developed precious chew of

722
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 6: people think he should start, and Chris Bouchet's dropping twenty

723
00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 6: in your eye.

724
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 7: This is a great regular season team.

725
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: You'll forget, but Cruise he's going to be a raptor's

726
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: favorite if he plays serious league. It's right.

727
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he was euro Basket MVP. He for the

728
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 7: just for the final game.

729
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, finally fun Willy Willy got the euro

730
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: Basket his bro Uh, this team is a great regular

731
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: season team.

732
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 7: Forty seven.

733
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not going to say they're gonna win

734
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 6: the ship, right, but they're led by all stars and

735
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 6: a Scottie Barnes who you know can help them take

736
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 6: the next step if he's.

737
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 7: There, But I don't know. I'm not going to. This

738
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 7: is about the over under forty seven.

739
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 4: Come on, okay, come on, forty eight wins last year

740
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: and they didn't get worse, So to me, It's an

741
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 4: easy over for the Raptors here. They'll be flirting with fifty,

742
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: no doubt about it. I like that they got in

743
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: on the summer of Wancho, like this is the time.

744
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: Maybe they can ride that wave into the fall. They've

745
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: just got a lot of good players. The only position

746
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: I feel like that they don't have depth is point guard.

747
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: If Van Vliet goes down and misses serious time, then

748
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: the Raptors will be in trouble. But Scotty Burns can

749
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 4: play make, Sam can play make, and they're big guys

750
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 4: can facilitate a little bit. So Yeah, they got a

751
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: great coach and Nick Nurse. They're bringing back basically everybody.

752
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: They should pick up where they lap up last year.

753
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: One hundred percent agree. I've got him winning fifty games.

754
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: I think they are probably behind Boston as the best

755
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: team in the Atlantic Division. Let's get down into it

756
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: a divisions out. Well, when you think about the other

757
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: teams Philly, Brooklyn and New York, they're definitely better than

758
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: those three, I think, But because a couple of injuries,

759
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 3: a couple of injuries there. Yeah, but I do well. I

760
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: like the continuity of this team.

761
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: Because that's they're the same team that.

762
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've gotten and they're going to get better

763
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: because I think Scotty Barton now he's going to have

764
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: that sort of second year pressure a little at the

765
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: scouting report is going to be different. But he plays

766
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: both ways. You know, he's a very very good player,

767
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: and I think Nick Nurse is a good coach. He

768
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: gets a lot out of these guys. So I like

769
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: the Raptors right now. I think it's way better almost

770
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: in a situation like this where they didn't make any

771
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: major change. It was to talk about the Kevin Durant

772
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: stuff there, but there was no ways. Yeah, but they

773
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: Messiah they wasn't going to give up, you know, two

774
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: of his assets to get one of those guys. I

775
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: think he knows what he's got in this team. And

776
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: and again a couple of vets. I thought that Young

777
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: when he came over last year was really good. He's

778
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: back there. So if they can get the same out

779
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: of like an Ido Porter junior, those are the sort

780
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: of perfect role players to have. They only need to

781
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: play ten twelve minutes a night, you know, mop up

782
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: some minutes and then have Pascal finished. You know, if

783
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: he starts a season where he finished last year, the

784
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: Raptors will be. I mean, he was injured at the

785
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: straight last year and not playing well and stuff, but

786
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: I like him. I like the Raptors.

787
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm taking the over on the no brainer.

788
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: I'm taking the over. But it sounds like they're probably

789
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: one of your locks to look I mean pretty much.

790
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, when I was looking at

791
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: the numbers there, yeah, like forty six and a half.

792
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: This year they won forty. I'm surprised they're lower than

793
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: last year.

794
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: I think that has to be because of all the

795
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: other talented teams in the Eastern Conference. That's raining.

796
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're in a division with the Nats, who

797
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: everybody assuming you're going to have to be better than

798
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 4: they were last year.

799
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 7: Yep, So I think that's part of it.

800
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. All right, Well, we're all saying over

801
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: on the wrap. We were over on a lot of

802
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: these teams in the Land Division. So we'll see if

803
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: it sort of balances out when we get to the

804
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: other two. Let's take our first break. When we come back,

805
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: we will get to the good old Central Division. The

806
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 2: Bulls are back. Don't go anywhere. Back in the classic

807
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: factory to the Central Division over under bets. When it

808
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 2: comes to the win totals, we start with Trey Kirby's

809
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: at Chicago Bulls. Forty two and a half is the line.

810
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: I forgot how hot the Bulls were last year. I

811
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: mean thirty nine and twenty one at one point, finished

812
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: seven and fifteen, though down the stretch because they were

813
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: banged up a lot of injuries. Loundo Ball only played

814
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: in thirty five games, Zach Lavine missed fifteen games. Caruso

815
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: was a big one. He missed half the season. Patrick

816
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: Williams only played like seventeen games. They didn't do a

817
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 2: whole lot though in the offseason, signing the Dragon though

818
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: it is House of the Dragon time right now on HBO.

819
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 2: They got Goran Dragons and Andre Drummond and then they're

820
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: pick there at the eighteenth pick with Dylan Terry. Not

821
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: a lot else. But so where, how do you feel

822
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: about your Bulls?

823
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: Well, Lee, you still got that homer drop ready, I'm

824
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 4: going over, oh, forty three wins. Forty three wins exactly.

825
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 4: They will be worse than last year. I am not

826
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 4: fired up about the Bulls right now. They basically brought

827
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 4: back everybody like you're saying, which generally is a good move.

828
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 4: I think they saw the Brooklyn Nets get swept in

829
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 4: the first round of the playoffs last year and said

830
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: we need the seventh and eighth man from.

831
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: That team, and that's basically it.

832
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: We've already heard that Lonzo's going to be missing the

833
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: start of the season, don't really know when he comes back.

834
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 4: And he's such a huge piece for the Bulls. He

835
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: takes them from a good competitive team that would be

836
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: clawing for the play in tournament, trying to stay in

837
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 4: the sixth seed to a team that's actually dangerous because

838
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: he just juices the offense so much with the hit

839
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: ahead passes. He's their best defender size wise, he's their

840
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 4: best defender in the passing lanes, three point shooting, three

841
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 4: point shooting, he's he's Draymond like in the Intangibles.

842
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: He brings to the Bulls.

843
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: They can get that from other players on the roster,

844
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 4: but they can't get that all from one guy. So

845
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 4: you're kind of like choosing, do you want defense. Maybe

846
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 4: we'll go with Caruso, Maybe we'll go with a little

847
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 4: bit more size. And I would assume i'd really like

848
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 4: to see a big season from Patrick Williams.

849
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: I know they just picked up his.

850
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 4: Fourth year option, which is smart, but he needs to

851
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: do more than just be out there. He's looked a

852
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 4: little bit more aggressive.

853
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 7: And big Booch.

854
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 4: Big Booch gotta have a better season this year. He

855
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 4: was maybe the bulls best player in their first preseason game, so.

856
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: I'm feeling good about that.

857
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 4: I'm not as excited about the Bulls in the direction

858
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 4: they're going that I was last year, but I think

859
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: they'll still be a solid team. They still got two

860
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 4: All Stars in DeRozan and Levine, and Levine's healthy again,

861
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 4: so that's good.

862
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: They brought in a champion as well, Coustus.

863
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 2: I forgot about the long term Onto Bowl player.

864
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: Look, I actually think this is this is a regular

865
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 3: season team for me. I think with what you saw

866
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: from DeRozan last year, when things get close at the

867
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: end of the game, so he can finish them, and

868
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: you know, if him and Zach are healthy for most

869
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 3: of the games, I think they can hit that over Mark.

870
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: I just don't see the Bulls as a serious contender though.

871
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: I just think they were like they were last season,

872
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 3: made the playoffs and basically got smoked by the Bucks.

873
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: I think there was five in the end where the

874
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: Bucks forgot to play one game there because when they

875
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: turned it on it wasn't even close. So little surprise

876
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: that it's three and a half games lower than what

877
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: they won last year. I've got them pecked at around

878
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: that sort of forty five forty six wins because I

879
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: just like say, I just think this team is one

880
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: of those ones that they've got enough players that are

881
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 3: going to make you work in the regular season that

882
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: it's not going to be an easy victory against the Balls.

883
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: You have to play tough. So I've got them going over.

884
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: I think they'll be fine, but I don't see any

885
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 3: reason to think they can be any better than they

886
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 3: were as terms of getting closer to a championship than

887
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 3: last season.

888
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think lundso balls just big for this team,

889
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 6: and it's the injury doesn't sound good when he said

890
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 6: I can't run, I can't jump, and he said setback

891
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 6: after step back, plus his Pelicans injury history, he doesn't

892
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 6: play four seasons. The highlights of him last year in

893
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 6: the first half were incredible defense, and I didn't like.

894
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 7: The look of that first preseason game. Trey. We're going

895
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 7: to get deep into the first preseason. The d doesn't

896
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 7: look good.

897
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: Dyson Daniels cooked him.

898
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, vacuum puns. Not the preseason form. Man.

899
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's better when he plays bad. Yeah, it's good.

900
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 6: There's some weird stuff and reading about it from Darnell

901
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 6: Maby Billy Donovd's messing with the offense. He's putting boxes

902
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 6: on the offensive side of the court. You have to

903
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 6: stand outside. These are the places we have to stand

904
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 6: with these boxes, and they're outside of the ark. No

905
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 6: one's going in the arct Like, why are you messing

906
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 6: with the offense? Just like they couldn't score, I know,

907
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 6: and they're trying to get more out of Vooch, but

908
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 6: who knows what happens with Patrick Williams. There's just too

909
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 6: many questions to me. You don't know what they're going

910
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 6: to get on offense. Let damar be damar, let zach

911
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 6: be zach. But now you're messing with both, messing with

912
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 6: the offensive end. And I'm not excited about the defense.

913
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 6: And it's about five hundred team, but I'll go with

914
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 6: the under, especially just coming off so many overs in

915
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 6: the Atlantic. That's that's what Yeah, Yeah, that's what's happening well.

916
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: And the Bulls last year went like one in fourteen

917
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: against the best teams in the Eastern Conference. Your Miami's,

918
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: your Boston's, your Milwaukee's, and your Philadelphia. One in fourteen

919
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: is pretty wild. And that's including like a really really

920
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: strong start. They were just like taking care of all

921
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: the sort of average teams or crappy your teams, but

922
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: struggled against the best. I'm gonna go just just under.

923
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: But I also I just I would be looking at

924
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: this team differently if Lonzo was like ready to go

925
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: fully healthy, because I'm with Trey he's one of those

926
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: like just so important to them on both sides. But

927
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: I'll go just under on the Bulls. Cleveland Cavaliers forty

928
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: six and a half traded for Donovan Mitchell. That caught

929
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: everybody by surprise. They did sign Ricky Rubio. He's back

930
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: currently still injured if I have that correct. Yeah, and

931
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: when he had actually been back on the floor, but

932
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: three years, eighteen million netto Robin Lopez for jokes, signed

933
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: Garland to the big extension. So forty six and a half. Yeah,

934
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 2: this was a really surprise. This was as team last

935
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: year you loved them, you know, surprise a lot of

936
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 2: people now there are expectations. What do you feel about

937
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: the line? Pretty good.

938
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: I think they are a bit of a Cinderella sort

939
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: of team. People want this team to be good because

940
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: they were easy to fall in love with. Last year.

941
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: They played fun basketball. Garland was great, Mobley was fantastic.

942
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 3: That he's kind of injured at the moment as well.

943
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: They think he probably will be good to go, but

944
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: a little bit of a concern there. I like the

945
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell trade. It improves them, it doesn't sort of

946
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: vault them up the standings, but certainly he's an improvement

947
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 3: of Colin Sexton who was injured and wasn't really a

948
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: part of their future, and then Larry Marknan as well

949
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 3: wasn't really a part of what the Cards are doing

950
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: here to be certainly to be successful like they were

951
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 3: last season. So you know, look, the asterisk of health

952
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 3: affects every team. But if this team can stay on

953
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: the floor, and if Darius Garland can take another step

954
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 3: up this season, I think they are a pretty good team.

955
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: So last year, of course, they finished They lost to

956
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: the Atlanta Hawks in the playing tournament there finished with

957
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: forty four wins forty six and a half. That turns

958
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: me people would also believe in this young team touch

959
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: high though, I'll take him at a bad forty six wins,

960
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: So I'll take him at just.

961
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: Over under.

962
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: You always like generally just half under. Well that's why

963
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: shock tank. You know, you think they're in and then

964
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: they're out of the last second there. But look, I

965
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: think this is a very good I think this team

966
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 3: should be. Yeah, it should be a good team, pretty

967
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: tough team.

968
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: I think, like the Hawks when we get to them

969
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: in the final division. But it's like, you know, they

970
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: have a new guard, a new star guard Murray obviously

971
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: with the Hawks pair with Young and then Mitchell here

972
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: to pay with Garl and it's like, are they going

973
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: to click right away or will that take some time

974
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: to find a rhythm and cohesiveness there to figure it out,

975
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: like you know, you know, ball dominant guard, so they

976
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: have to figure it out how to play with each other.

977
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: And maybe it like because with the defense behind them,

978
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: they're okay right from the jump, but they might start

979
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: slow and that's fine. No one should freak out. Like

980
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: have you heard Kobe Altman caves g Young like he

981
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: is like completely downplaying expectations, and he's trying to He's like,

982
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to think that this year we

983
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: have to be in a contention or bust. That's not

984
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: what this is. This is a real run here for

985
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: these guys to grow together, learn how to play together,

986
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: get better each year, and grow to hopefully some some

987
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: more exciting basketball. He is like, don't think we're going

988
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 2: to the conference finals?

989
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 6: Right?

990
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: We suck? Yeah, but that's that's smart, that's the way

991
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: to do it. But will they hit? Will they fall

992
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: into forty seven wins?

993
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 6: Because I'll be the altman to Kobe. Raise the expectations,

994
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 6: raise them they're great. Who cares if Donovan Mitchell and

995
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 6: Darius Garland don't mix. They weren't that good offensively last year. Anyways,

996
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 6: they're twentieth in the league. Nobody wants to play this team,

997
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 6: and they got to forty four wins with all those injuries.

998
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 6: I think this is a fifty win team. This is

999
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 6: a team built for the regular season. You don't want

1000
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 6: to go into the lane with Jared Allen and Evan

1001
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 6: Mobley there. Nobody wants to go in there on a

1002
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 6: Tuesday night in Cleveland. Nobody so I think this team

1003
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 6: should rack up some defensive wins and then they suck

1004
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 6: up every stink and rebound. Robin Lopez going to teach

1005
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 6: Jared Allen his hook shot. I think there's too many

1006
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 6: rocks on this team, too many level headed guys, you know,

1007
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 6: led by Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell to for them

1008
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 6: to fall off, you know, Mobley, Jared Allen, Mitch, Darius Carlin.

1009
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 6: I think we'll we'll bring in Donovan Mitchell. Well, the

1010
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 6: forty four one team is just going to go up.

1011
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 6: I think Carrislvert gets one more crack at being good.

1012
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 6: I think he'll help off the bench. He'll be better

1013
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 6: at that than Rubio Love Jeddi Osman. I think they're deep,

1014
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 6: and I think their top end talent in mobiley is

1015
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 6: going to get better along with Darius Carland. It's guys

1016
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 6: are young, young, young young guys. Mobley in his second year,

1017
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 6: he got better than the off season, creating his own

1018
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 6: I'm buying it, and you know, the geling part is

1019
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 6: is fair, but again, I think the d is there.

1020
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 6: This is a team that nobody wants to go up

1021
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 6: and try and score on, so that's where regular season

1022
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 6: wins come from I got the over. I think they

1023
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 6: can be a fifty flirter for sure.

1024
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: You're less than all those players. I thought you were

1025
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: going to get to Dean Wade.

1026
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 6: Dean, you were going to get the d I had

1027
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 6: him on the list, but I resist it.

1028
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 4: Drop a Dean. Don't feel bad about dropping a Dean.

1029
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 4: We tweeted out earlier, who's the most random Eastern Conference

1030
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 4: player who's gonna be referenced on this episode? No doubt

1031
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: we're going deep sexy underscore. Swicky suggested it might be

1032
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 4: Dean Wade. I was like, yeah, you actually might be right,

1033
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 4: because we can see some serious Dean Waight minutes. For

1034
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: the Calves, they don't have a lot of depth on

1035
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 4: the wing. That's probably the one area of concern for them.

1036
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 4: They need a big season again from Kevin Love, which

1037
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: he was awesome last year, but he was not awesome

1038
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 4: the couple of seasons prior to that, so we shall see.

1039
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: I think the comparison is exactly right. Skeets forty six

1040
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 4: and a half wins is the same line for the

1041
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 4: Calves and for the Hawks. And the whole time I'm

1042
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 4: prepping for this, I'm like, who's gonna be better. Who's

1043
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: gonna hit the over here, who's gonna hit the under?

1044
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 4: Hit the under? I'll take one for the over, one

1045
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: for the under. And then I just whimped out, I'm

1046
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: going over.

1047
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 2: Oh, going over for the Caves forty seven wins. I'm

1048
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 2: going over for the Hawks forty seven wins. You can

1049
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: finish with the same record in the NBA. It turns out, hey,

1050
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: this could be the year where we have, like in

1051
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: the final night of the season, like four teams that

1052
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: are like the exact same record, and we don't know

1053
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: it's our worse mirror because we got to get ready

1054
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: for the playoff previews and stuff like that when we

1055
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: don't know the matchups, like basically right before they're going

1056
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: to go. It's I can see that happening where it's

1057
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: like forty six, forty seven, forty eight wins, whatever it is,

1058
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: maybe even forty nine. We might have four or five

1059
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: teams with damn your identical records and.

1060
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: That kind of was it the last season two?

1061
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: Was it?

1062
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 3: I think there was like three or four teams and

1063
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 3: they glot there like forty eight and thirty four. Yeah,

1064
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: if I remember correctly.

1065
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: Okay, uh so you're going just over who I'm gonna

1066
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: go under. I'm gonna go under just for no real

1067
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: reason except I think they might. There's expectations now, as

1068
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: much as Kobe Alman wants to downplay that, and they

1069
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: do have to figure things out. And I'm not worried

1070
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: about the wing position like Corol. I think is fine

1071
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: as like your fifth guy. And then they have all

1072
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: you know, some of these guys you guys mentioned that

1073
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: can slot in there off the bench.

1074
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 7: Son.

1075
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: I just think there's there's still a tier below all

1076
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: these a lot of these other teams we were talking about,

1077
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: and so that means they're gonna lose to some of them.

1078
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: So I'll go just under, just to for the record.

1079
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, are we gonna subscribe to Man gamesloss dot

1080
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 6: com because they did they do the best job of

1081
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 6: giving us the information how many injuries these teams had

1082
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 6: and how many games lost because they won forty four games,

1083
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 6: and I know every team has injuries, but they had

1084
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 6: a lot of injuries.

1085
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: Basically everybody was that team, so well, Ruby, it was

1086
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: a tough loss. Jared Allen obviously missing a good chunk

1087
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 2: of time.

1088
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 6: And was out, Sex And was out, Mobiley was out

1089
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 6: and they still recovered for forty four wins.

1090
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 7: They're gonna be.

1091
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: Put it that way, and I'll add to that. Now

1092
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm talking myself into the over. Like the whole thing

1093
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: with them was, Okay, their defense keeps them in games,

1094
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: they stay around, and then it's like, you know, crunch time.

1095
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: Garland was their only answer. Like it was like Garland,

1096
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: save us, and they tried right right, And that's no

1097
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 2: knock on Mobiley. The guy was a rookie. He's obviously

1098
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: a big but it was like Garland, can you get

1099
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: us a basket or get to the line or something.

1100
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: Now you had Mitchell, like.

1101
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: Holy crap, but wasn't good in fourth quarters for the Jets.

1102
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: But you're going to take Mitchell over it, no anyone

1103
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: else course.

1104
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: But like I mean, it's not like he's just going

1105
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: to walk in there with this like deep bag of

1106
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, gay fourth quarter victories. I mean he was

1107
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: actually terrible in fourth quarters for the Jazz. So okay,

1108
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I'm just saying that was one of

1109
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: their big problems. I Mean, he shot bad, he turned

1110
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: them all over. So he looks like he feels like

1111
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: he's a better play. He feels like you wanted in

1112
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 3: his hands, but that reputation that he's a closer is

1113
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: not valid.

1114
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: I like the idea of having two of those guys

1115
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: trust the trust with the ball to make something happen, though,

1116
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: so I'm going to stay under though. Detroit Pistons twenty

1117
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 2: nine and a half. They finished the year struggling. All right, guys.

1118
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: They started twelve and forty five, which included an eight

1119
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: game losing streak at the end of that, and then

1120
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: they went eleven and fourteen in their final twenty five games.

1121
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: I mean, kid Cunningham had a really sow start and

1122
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: then suddenly he was like, everyone's like, it's gonna somehow

1123
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 2: win Rookie of the Year. It was a little too late,

1124
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: but they got Gene and Ivy there with the fifth pick,

1125
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: Gillan Durham with the thirteenth pick. They still have Kemba Walker,

1126
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: which is weird. Traded for Alec Burks, traded for Neurlins. No, well,

1127
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: they signed Kevin Knox, Rodnie McGruder. Marvin Begley got the bag. Hey, yeah, Ron,

1128
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: that's the guy that's an even deeper cut I think

1129
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: at this point than Dean Wade.

1130
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a Buddy Boheim on their h on the

1131
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: roster are two way time, So.

1132
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: Do you believe in the Pistons thirty wins or more.

1133
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 6: I'm excited for their future, obviously very excited. The eleven

1134
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 6: and fourteen good, but also during a time of the

1135
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 6: season when teams don't take things extremely seriously. So this

1136
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 6: is all on kid shoulders. As much as I'm excited

1137
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 6: for Jade and Ivy shooting six of nine in his

1138
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 6: first preseason game, or Jalen Durham seems like he's a

1139
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 6: steal of the draft. If Kate explodes, it's an over.

1140
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 6: But Cad showed his incredible bag the second.

1141
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 7: Half of the season.

1142
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 6: I think teams will focus on him, and so if

1143
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 6: they take him away a little bit, then this is

1144
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 6: an under. You know, I liked, I obviously love this team,

1145
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 6: but it's all on Kate shoulder to get to thirty wins,

1146
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 6: which doesn't seem like a crazy mark. But I'm taking

1147
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 6: the under because I think teams will take him away

1148
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 6: and I'm not sure these other guys are experienced enough

1149
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 6: to take advantage of it.

1150
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 7: But I'm excited for them, that's for sure.

1151
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did a show a while ago I think,

1152
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: and the Pistons are only at twenty three and a half.

1153
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: I think when the right yeah, and then they're up

1154
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: there jumped already. So someone in Vegas knows something. One

1155
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 3: thing I will say about Dwaine Casey's maybe have time

1156
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: both joy and I feel like that team's always played hard,

1157
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: you know, even when they haven't had the personnel. And

1158
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: so again, if they can stay on the floor, I

1159
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: think you're going to get that. So to go from

1160
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: twenty three to twenty nine wins, it is a big

1161
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: lead for a team that you know it's got. It

1162
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 3: made some nice moves, didn't make that huge sort of

1163
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: upgrade move there. But I think if they can just

1164
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: stay in games, then they can probably sort of sneak

1165
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 3: up a little bit on teams. I think they're still

1166
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: going to be overlooked largely by the rest of the NBA.

1167
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: So give me the over give me thirty wins for

1168
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: the Pistons this year.

1169
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: I you know, okay, sure, why not. I feel like

1170
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: we were comparing like or at least Vegas sort of

1171
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: like Calves or Hawks, which one do to believe in more,

1172
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: I feel it's like the Pistons or the Magic it's like,

1173
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: which one of those teams that was like at the

1174
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: bottom of the conference, which one do you see like

1175
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: maybe getting into playing contention. Which one do you have

1176
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: more faith in. That's how I'm looking at it. At

1177
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: least I know their lines are a little bit different.

1178
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: But thirty wins not a chance, No way, way too high.

1179
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 2: I'm definitely going under.

1180
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 4: They're gonna be an exciting, fun to watch team, they'll

1181
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 4: be better, they will look the way they're supposed to

1182
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 4: look like the future of the Detroit Pistons, but they

1183
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 4: are gonna want to have a chance at those top

1184
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 4: draft picks as well.

1185
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: Every team.

1186
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: Basically, when I see a team now that has a

1187
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: twenty and they're over there, I'm gonna go under because

1188
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 4: you want a chance at one of those top two guys.

1189
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: So that's it for me.

1190
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 4: Twenty three wins last year. They haven't won thirty or

1191
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: more games since the twenty nineteen season. The Pistons just

1192
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 4: aren't totally ready to win right now. They're going the

1193
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 4: right way, for sure, they're going to be an exciting

1194
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 4: league pass team, But putting up w's I'm a little

1195
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 4: skeptical about.

1196
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally feel like I'm overestimating the good team

1197
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 6: and underestimating the bad teams.

1198
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 7: I'm with you.

1199
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 6: I think there's just this this huge gap between the

1200
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 6: good teams. A lot of overs for me with the

1201
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 6: good teams, a lot of unders with me for the

1202
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 6: bad teams. So is there just going to be this

1203
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 6: huge drop off from the eight seat to the nine

1204
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 6: to fifteen seat. That's that's what my thinking is, as well,

1205
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 6: go under and get out of it. It's a little

1206
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 6: like baseball. You get your haves and your have nots,

1207
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 6: and I think that's there's gonna be some of that

1208
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 6: because you want to be bad. Yeah, and the Pistons Pistons,

1209
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 6: even though they're you know, one through five, you're starting

1210
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 6: Kid and Ivy and then Boyan's your small forward with

1211
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 6: Bay Sadik Bay there in Isaiah, Ster're Jalen during you're

1212
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 6: starting to talk yourself into it, but not this year.

1213
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 7: It's too soon, I think.

1214
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, I'm sorry. I feel like

1215
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: the Pistons might be better than your hornets, your pacers,

1216
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: for sure, you're possible, your magic, I guess, you know,

1217
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: maybe even the Wizards. So thirty wins give me the

1218
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: over come on Dwayne, let me four wins against the

1219
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: right there, that's good. Twenty six again all the other.

1220
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: Jay Noy'll play probably the Paces four times and maybe

1221
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: the Wizards as well, So there you go.

1222
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: Way then, yeah, okay, I'll take just the over for

1223
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: the Pistons. We should be a great year. And I'm

1224
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: excited to see Kate Cunningham in year two, like we said,

1225
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 2: like Scottie Barnes, Mobiley Cunningham. You know, the sophomore slum

1226
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: is a thing too, though Tatum comes to mind. I

1227
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: don't think he had a great second year there, so

1228
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 2: maybe it'll happen for one of these guys. But Kate

1229
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: looks awesome. Okay, Pacers twenty four and a half, Trey,

1230
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: get a start. I know where you're going because you

1231
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: already you already told us if it's got a two

1232
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: there in the front, hit the under. I'm over.

1233
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 7: This guy.

1234
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: Idiot, what an idiot?

1235
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: Over on the Pacers only because I think they'll accidentally

1236
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 4: win too many games until they trade. Buddy Healed and

1237
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 4: Miles Turner doesn't feel like it's happening quite yet. It

1238
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 4: happens before the season starts going under, for sure, but

1239
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 4: as soon as those two are traded, this is a

1240
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 4: contender for worst team in the league. To me, Tyrese

1241
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: Haliburton will be worth watching. Benadict Matherne cool to see

1242
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: what he gonna be able to pull off. Chris Duarte

1243
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 4: some people like him, but it all comes down to

1244
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: when they actually move their veterans. To me, I'm assuming

1245
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 4: we're gonna see Buddy and Miles hanging around for a

1246
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 4: little bit. Maybe they gets them to twenty five wins,

1247
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 4: but I mean, I think when it comes to the

1248
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 4: end of the season, we'll.

1249
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: Be talking about the Pacers amongst the worst than the Yeah.

1250
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is a pretty rough outlook for the

1251
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: Pacers right now. Very international team. You've got someone from

1252
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: Georgia and Go Goo Batazzi. You got Buddy Hill from

1253
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: the Bahamas, and you've got four Canadians, a German, someone

1254
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 3: from Lithuania as well.

1255
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: So someone is I love it. I love the way

1256
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: someone we're gonna say this is gonna be the new crowd.

1257
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: This guy was a cheap cut ahead.

1258
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: Dave Das Servetus, I believe six eight shooting guard, four Canadians,

1259
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: Andrew Nembra. Yeah, Benedict matt Around, I remember seeing his

1260
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: highlights on the Draft nighties o'she Brissette Chris the Wide

1261
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: Restaurant take. Oh yeah yeah, so yeah, I mean he's uh,

1262
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: he's Canadian? Is he hat? No? Yeah yeah looking at it. No,

1263
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: well it's just got his flag here, so okay. Yeah anyway, Yeah,

1264
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: it's back in.

1265
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: A big third year jump for Davids Cervinas. I am,

1266
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: I am.

1267
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 3: I mean the first two years been rough. This is

1268
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 3: his opportunity. But honestly, I mean like he might play.

1269
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 3: Who knows on that team is Look, that's the thing.

1270
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: They want to try to cash in on Myles Turner

1271
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 3: if they can. He's their strongest asset. And Buddy Healed

1272
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: is after that. Yeah, and then if you're Tyre's Halliburn,

1273
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: you're like Jesus n.

1274
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: Now, Tyr's Haliburn, go get your crazy stats this year,

1275
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: be the man on a very bad team. And then TREYE.

1276
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: Tree probably you know, said it like, so you can

1277
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: get it, You're gonna maybe get incredible player if you

1278
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 2: can get one of the one or two. Yeah, people

1279
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: think there's a very incredible draft for the third and

1280
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: fourth best player may be awesome. So I don't think

1281
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 2: Haliburn's gonna be freaking out. He's got to know the

1282
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: plan here is to be they were six and twenty

1283
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: one at the end of the year. I mean, they

1284
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: were garbage last year and they got to pick who

1285
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: in the Canadian so it might be a talent there.

1286
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: So I think they're going under unlocking hard on this one,

1287
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 2: and I think Turner and Healed, of course will be

1288
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 2: traded before the deadline. Trade makes a good point. They're

1289
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: gonna try and build up their value even more and

1290
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 2: they win some games.

1291
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 7: That's the jazzy.

1292
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: The thing is like they're not that great, but like

1293
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: even if Turner and Heal they're playing is not like that,

1294
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: Oh god, they're unstoppable. So I'll take the under on

1295
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: this one pretty comfortably. I think they're gonna be one

1296
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: of the worst teams in league.

1297
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 7: I'm with you. They usually go for it.

1298
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 6: They try and be a team that contends, and they're

1299
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 6: finally waving the way flag hard. Who's their second or

1300
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 6: third best player when Miles Turner inevitably gets traded or

1301
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 6: Buddy He'll inevitbly gets traded, probably a rookie in Benedict Metherin.

1302
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 7: So they're gonna be bad.

1303
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: Okay, everybody got their their over unders in there, right, Okay,

1304
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks fifty three and a half. Here's another fifty

1305
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 2: plus win team according to bet MGM task as started.

1306
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: You know, they didn't do a whole lot for being

1307
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: They re signed a lot Portis Carter Wesley Matthews, your

1308
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: boy bacha noirra. They signed Joe Ingles he's injured, hoping

1309
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: he can give him something at the end of the year,

1310
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 2: maybe in a playoff run. And Pat Connington got signed

1311
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: to a contract extension. So same squad with Middleton in

1312
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: theory back healthy. Are they over fifty three and a

1313
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: half wins?

1314
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 6: I go under, Even though they're a championship contender. I

1315
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 6: don't think they care about the regular season at all.

1316
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 6: It's a little bit like the Clippers. They won fifty

1317
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 6: one games last year, fifty three the year before that

1318
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 6: when you adjust for eighty two games. So I think

1319
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 6: they're going to continue to be a fifty win team.

1320
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: They don't want it knock gun in for the number

1321
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: one spot.

1322
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 6: They don't want what happened last year with Chris Middleton

1323
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 6: getting injured in the playoffs. Chill baby. They could be

1324
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 6: a four or five seed. They don't care. I don't

1325
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 6: think they care at all.

1326
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: I just think the Jannis factic puts them over. I

1327
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 3: just think he's such a competitor that I agree they don't.

1328
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 3: Then their emphasis is not on the regular season, although

1329
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 3: they would have liked hime Court in the second round

1330
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: last year because it ended up costing them against the

1331
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: Boston Celtics. And Bud is a very good regular season coach.

1332
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,439
Speaker 3: He gets his teams to win fifty five sixty game.

1333
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 3: I think the Bucks are the best team in the

1334
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference, and Yannis is basically entering that super You know,

1335
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 3: he's at the height of his powers physically, you know

1336
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: he's coming. He's confident, he wants another championship. Of course

1337
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 3: he does another MVP, so I can sort of see.

1338
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 3: If he's on the floor for eighty two games, the

1339
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: Bucks are just going to win fifty seven games and

1340
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 3: go over. Now, that's just because he's so good and

1341
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: he's so dominant. I like Milwaukee, give me the overy.

1342
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: I was strongly considering the under. I agree with everything

1343
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: you said.

1344
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 4: Lee, like Jiannis is the best guy in the league

1345
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 4: coming off of an international tournament, so he's going to

1346
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 4: be just picking right up where he left off. But

1347
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 4: and you're right, the Bucks are not like focused on

1348
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 4: regular season wins the way they used to when they

1349
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 4: were winning the one seed. But they won fifty one

1350
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 4: games last year and Brook Lopez only played eleven NU

1351
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 4: it's a big They were fourteenth in defense, and we

1352
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 4: know the Bucks are better than a middle of the

1353
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: road defense. So I assume if Lopez is able to

1354
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 4: play half the season, they'll be in the top ten again.

1355
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 4: And that kind of defense with an MVP candidate, you

1356
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 4: should be able to win fifty four. I'm going over.

1357
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: I'm going over as well. If the Honest is playing

1358
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: in eighty percent of the games, I'm like really scared

1359
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: of be honest this year if I'm any other team.

1360
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: And you know, I like the idea of like giving

1361
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: all these guys in Portis and Carter and stuff like that,

1362
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: somebody here some deals they've earned it, like come on,

1363
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: let's go to war here. So I think they'll I

1364
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,959
Speaker 2: think they'll just make the over. So everything you're saying

1365
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: sounds right task about the idea, like they don't really care.

1366
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: But if those guys, especially they're three main guys, and

1367
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: then the depth they have and they are well coached.

1368
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: Like then that just that just as a fifty five

1369
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: win team.

1370
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, like I did, forget about the Brook factor that.

1371
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,479
Speaker 2: They played like seventeen games. I think eleven eleven. Maybe

1372
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: I wrote that wrong. Yeah, he's pretty instrumental.

1373
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 7: He can't around really.

1374
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeahh okay, that's the Central Division. We got one more

1375
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: division to do. Thirteen games. Oh you're aware eleven starts? Oh,

1376
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: all are the only ones. I was bringing them off

1377
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: the bench. It doesn't count. That's right. That's we'll take

1378
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: one more break. When we come back. We will tackle

1379
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: the Southeast. Oh yeah, our final division. When it comes

1380
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: to the over unders, it's the Southeast. We start with

1381
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Hawks. Forty six and a half is the

1382
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: win total according to bet MGM, so tasking it started.

1383
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: What do you do with the hometown Hawks?

1384
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 6: Man, you guys are swaying me back and forth over

1385
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 6: this number. It's a good line, but I think this

1386
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 6: team is a lot more talented and just fits a

1387
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 6: lot better with the addition of de Jontay Murray. He's

1388
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 6: just going to complimentary Younk so well in that backcourt.

1389
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 6: Treng is not going to have to guard, the best

1390
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 6: guard on the team. Dejontay's got that bog dumb dummich

1391
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 6: perfect spot. Now off the bench as a six man

1392
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 6: fireballer instead of starting beside Trey, And you're going to

1393
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 6: ask less of the front court in DeAndre Hunter, John Collins,

1394
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 6: and Clint Capel, So I think they'll be better. And

1395
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 6: then the bench is just it's deeper. If you want

1396
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 6: to mention guys, I'm going to mention it. Holidays for me. Oh,

1397
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 6: you know, I left him off. I didn't want to

1398
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 6: go that deep. I'm going Frank the tank Frank, Yeah, yeah,

1399
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 6: I mean Bogey really, Boge is important and Congo is important.

1400
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 6: And then other guys fill in your holidays, your Kaminskis

1401
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 6: and Duke Shooter AJ Griffin.

1402
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 7: So that's it. I think they're just they're pretty deep.

1403
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: If I don't see Frank Kaminsky in Atlanta at a

1404
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: brewery this fall, be pissed.

1405
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 7: Remember that I don't run into him.

1406
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 4: I'm saying, I've got so many questions I want to

1407
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 4: ask him about Lyle, Illinois.

1408
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: You ever go to Burrito You ever go to the

1409
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: squirrel cage?

1410
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 4: Frank get a frozen pizza from behind the barn but

1411
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 4: he did.

1412
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 7: We didn't ask Miles plumbe, Miles Mason.

1413
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 6: It's a plumble. It was Miles play with the Hawks.

1414
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 6: He walked right by us when we were sitting at

1415
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 6: a restaurant. It was it's sort of a winery that place.

1416
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 6: He walked right by. No one talked to him earlier.

1417
01:00:53,880 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 6: It was just that, hey, Mace, Miles do. But we'll

1418
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 6: make up for it when we see Frank the tank.

1419
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: So you you're going over, Yeah, you think that fit.

1420
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 6: That's a good fit. One for eight nine. They're it's

1421
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 6: a solid team. Can they play defense? That's all I

1422
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 6: care about.

1423
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: Murray should help and man and like if Hunter plays

1424
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: and goes to another level, Murray Hunter, Capella, the Congo

1425
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: off the bet. This should be a That's three guys

1426
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: that are pretty damn good defensive players. With Trey Young,

1427
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: you're your offense is always gonna be fine. If Trey Young's

1428
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: are your team, He's like Curry that way, Like, you're

1429
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: gonna be basically a top five in my opinion, Just

1430
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: play defense and you probably get forty seven wins. But

1431
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced.

1432
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 3: It's such a big question for the Hawks is whether

1433
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 3: or not. They can play. And I just wonder if

1434
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 3: Congo actually forces his way into sort of clin Compella's

1435
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: role because I think they really like him, and then

1436
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 3: Capella becomes a bit of a trade chip. I'm not

1437
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 3: sure how much you get for him, but they need

1438
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 3: I think, you know, his athleticism, I think is what

1439
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 3: they like there. Look, de Jontay Murray improves him, no

1440
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 3: doubt about it. But does he improve into that forty

1441
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 3: seven win mark? I'm not sure. I'll take the under

1442
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 3: forty three last year, I think they started slowly.

1443
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: They did last ye seventeen and twenty fourth.

1444
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's they've done that two years in a

1445
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 3: row now where they sort of finished strong.

1446
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: They sided their coach the way yeah yeah, yeah, and

1447
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: last year it was what was the real what kickstarted them?

1448
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: Last year? Was it? They just like decided because remember

1449
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: there was a talk like we went to the conference finals?

1450
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1451
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 3: Boring, Yeah, that's right, boring in his third season there.

1452
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 3: I like Atlanta. I like Look, John Collins is a

1453
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 3: very interesting one as well. They've basically tried to trade

1454
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: him in the summer, couldn't He's come back now. I

1455
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: think I'm a believer in John Collins. I think he

1456
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 3: is a very impactful player for that team, but maybe

1457
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 3: Travis link in the front office is still trying to

1458
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 3: dangle him out there to somebody else.

1459
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 2: The Hawks are good, but I don't know.

1460
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,959
Speaker 3: I just don't quite get a real solid feel until

1461
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 3: I see Dejonte Murray out there playing and how he

1462
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 3: impacts that team. So give me the give me the under.

1463
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 3: But they should be a sort of forty five win team.

1464
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: He's bringing the two. Didn't you see him where Paolo

1465
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 2: Bonkarra out in Seattle?

1466
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, getting into it, faking them.

1467
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: Out left and right. I can't wait to see what

1468
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 2: the Hawks look like.

1469
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 4: It is going to be strange to see them with

1470
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 4: two ball dominant guards. But Murray lives in the passing lanes.

1471
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 4: The Hawks never forced turnovers, so that should be helpful.

1472
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 4: The Hawks finished second in the league in offense last year.

1473
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 4: They've got an incredible offense. Trey Young led the league

1474
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 4: in points and assists totals, so you know they're gonna

1475
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 4: be good offensively. The problem, obviously was on the defensive end,

1476
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 4: where they were in the bottom three in the league.

1477
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 4: If they get to twentieth in defense, that's not a

1478
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 4: huge ask, but it makes you a super competitive team.

1479
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 4: They just got to take the season seriously from opening night,

1480
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 4: and if they do that, I'm gonna go over. But man,

1481
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 4: that's a that's a perfect line right there, like wins

1482
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 4: feels almost ideal.

1483
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: I know, what do you think about this? Jeff Schultz

1484
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: wrote at The Athletic the Hawks gave up a ton

1485
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: in the Murray trade, so much that if they're not

1486
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: back in the conference finals this season or even next,

1487
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: the trade should be considered a failure. Is that sort

1488
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: of like the bar two years after the Murray deal?

1489
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: Giving up a lot? Is that fair? I mean, it

1490
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 2: can't be by surprise if I minus, But maybe that's

1491
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: just being an Atlanta sports fan.

1492
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 3: I mean, they sort of snuck into the conference finals here,

1493
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 3: that was ahead of schedule, but then last season they

1494
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 3: just made it into the playoffs and then got smoked

1495
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 3: by the Miami Heat. So you think they are better

1496
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 3: than they were last season, but probably not quite as

1497
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 3: good as a year before. But you just want to

1498
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 3: sort of see them now, okay again, not get off

1499
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 3: to a terrible start, be sort of competitive early on,

1500
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 3: and see if they can sort of be competing for

1501
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 3: a top four spot in the in the East. I

1502
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 3: think that's where they need to be right now, because

1503
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 3: then that's you know, Boston, Milwaukee, Miami, the Raptors, Philly, Philly. Yeah,

1504
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 3: are they better than you know, two of those teams?

1505
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 3: Probably not right now. Maybe they could be, but I

1506
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 3: don't think so right now.

1507
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: Okay, they give.

1508
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 6: Up their future, it should propel them to another level.

1509
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 6: It's sort of like the Balls that and that they

1510
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 6: gave up a lot of their future for everything they

1511
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 6: got and they could be the middle of the pack team. Yeah,

1512
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 6: the expectation should be conferceile. Now they're sort of like

1513
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 6: a top heavy team. They just don't have a lot

1514
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 6: more to trade now, I guess, Collins, I suppose. But

1515
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 6: then you're getting worse, you know. So, Yeah, if you

1516
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 6: give up your future, you want to be better.

1517
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: So you're under, Yes you are. I'm going over and

1518
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: Trey minuscule over minuscule. I'll go minuscule under, and I'll

1519
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: go just just just under. Charlotte Hornets Weird Team thirty

1520
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 2: six and a half h Trey started on the Hornets,

1521
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 2: talk about a weird team. I gotta go under on this.

1522
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 4: They lost their leading score with everything that happened with

1523
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 4: Miles Bridges, don't need to see him back. They've got Lamello,

1524
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 4: which is still good. Probably their second best player is

1525
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 4: Terry Rozier or good Gord, Gordon Hayward. And then after

1526
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 4: those guys like it might be Mason Plumbley walking down

1527
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 4: walking down the belt line, we all say hi to

1528
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 4: his brother, but you might say hi to Mason because

1529
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: he's one of the five best players on the Hornets.

1530
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 7: He's a Utah Jazz. Now, yeah, it was shared the photo.

1531
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: Of that's Cody Zeller. Yeah, but you guys are mixing

1532
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: up Zellers and plumb Dogs. Then they're all brothers. Oh

1533
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: my god.

1534
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was my mistake. That was my mistake.

1535
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mason plumb is still there. Yeah, it's gonna be

1536
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: the starting center.

1537
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 7: Quite forgetable.

1538
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 3: What a gross off season for them, I mean it

1539
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: was brutal.

1540
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 2: They drafted Mark Williams, they re signed Cody Martin for

1541
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: four years, thirty one million. Fine, they signed Dennis Smith JUNR.

1542
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: Steve Clifford is back.

1543
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Kenny Atkinson said yes, and then he said actually,

1544
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 3: and then the.

1545
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: Trey of course brought up. You know, Miles Bridges charged

1546
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: this summer with one felon account of injuring a child's

1547
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: parent two felony counts of child abuse. He pleaded not guilty,

1548
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: and they're sorting that illegally of course. Yeah. It was

1549
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 2: a horrible, horrible, Yeah, very bad. And it's still at

1550
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 2: thirty six and a half wins.

1551
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 3: That's White, Hi White too.

1552
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 2: Llameloi bowls good.

1553
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 3: He was an old stop, but he's not a sort

1554
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 3: of he can when you're fifteen to twenty games by himself.

1555
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 2: Type of player was good. Gordon PG can.

1556
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 3: Even stay on the on the court. That's his big

1557
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 3: But they'll trade him in a second if they can

1558
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,439
Speaker 3: as well. Maybe they get Westbrooks. Maybe that's the deal

1559
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 3: that someone decides to make that one happen. Yeah, I

1560
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,959
Speaker 3: would be Look Steve Clifford, they've tried it. It didn't

1561
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 3: work really with him. He's a good, solid coach. But yeah,

1562
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 3: but I mean that is that the is that the

1563
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: best they could come up with after Kenny Atkinson left them,

1564
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 3: they said, just bring back the other guy. I don't

1565
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 3: think there's going to be a very fun season at

1566
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 3: all in Charlotte. Other than LaMelo will give us some highlights.

1567
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 3: They'll be lucky to win twenty five games. I think

1568
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,479
Speaker 3: whoa way under way under.

1569
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 2: He's pounding the under you're going on.

1570
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 6: I'm reading about the Plumbley's and the Zellers. That's the

1571
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 6: high point of the Hornet season. Talking about Plumleys and Zellers.

1572
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 6: That's that's my I don't really care to have. Even

1573
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 6: though you've got LaMelo bar and this seem I'm not

1574
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 6: excited obviously, as you guy said, for all those reasons.

1575
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 6: If you want to take yourself into the over, you say,

1576
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 6: Gordon here, former All Star, he's on the floor, but

1577
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 6: he hasn't been healthy the last three years. And then yeah,

1578
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 6: there's a huge drop off. Terry's here and LaMelo ball

1579
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 6: are gonna be the back court. But the then, yeah,

1580
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 6: who is their third best player? I guess it's a

1581
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 6: plumb Leer, a Zella, I'm not sure, don't ask me.

1582
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 6: And then it's a Martin Twin.

1583
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 7: I'm not.

1584
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 6: I'm not excited about the team. I don't think they

1585
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 6: have good vibes in their locker room. I don't know

1586
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,879
Speaker 6: why Steve Clifford came back for this, but I'm going under.

1587
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: I will not be surprised if they start slowly and

1588
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: then suddenly LaMelo ball picks up an injury. Oh yeah,

1589
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 2: to shut him down for a good chunk of time,

1590
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: and maybe they go, let's take a chance at Victor

1591
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: and that would be a fun pairing him in Lamo.

1592
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 2: I'm going under for sure. On thirty six and a half, Trey,

1593
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 2: you said you were under as well.

1594
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 7: Big time under.

1595
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: Oh, everybody's a big time under.

1596
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 7: Okay, Jordan doesn't like to lose. Though.

1597
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 6: You tried to trade for Mark Gasol a couple of

1598
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,879
Speaker 6: years ago. He's going to try and trade for somebody,

1599
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 6: I think a big man, because that's where they have

1600
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 6: their serious problem.

1601
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 2: Okay. The Miami Heat forty nine and a half wins,

1602
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 2: so just under fifty. They had the best record in

1603
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: the East. Desy Butler, Bam, Lowry, Hero all missing. You know,

1604
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: significant chunks of time you had Struce and Gabe, Vincent

1605
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: and the other Martin killer like emerging, and like they

1606
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,879
Speaker 2: were not far away from going to the NBA finals.

1607
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 2: You know, Jimmy pulls up in transition up three away.

1608
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: You never know. So what I'm getting at is obviously

1609
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: a damn good team still rack up the wins with

1610
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: spolstres are coaching always find these diamonds in the rough,

1611
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: and here they are maybe a little disrespected, I think

1612
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: at forty nine and a half. But what do you think?

1613
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 3: I think so I think they get to fifty just

1614
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 3: because they're going to be so tough, all those guys

1615
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 3: you mentioned, the Vets, Lowry, Butler, et cetera. They're going

1616
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 3: to take probably twenty games off at least. But you

1617
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 3: sort of fear with Miami that guys like Max Strus

1618
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:42,879
Speaker 3: and gave Vincent last year, who really.

1619
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 2: Stepped up people, is still there.

1620
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and whoever does play you know, they have

1621
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 3: that sort of heat culture mentality. You know, they play

1622
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 3: tough and they play very very good defense and very

1623
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 3: good offense. Has them is back again as well. Let's

1624
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 3: not forget that they've got Hayward high Smith on their US.

1625
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 3: That's a fantastic name. So I just think we from

1626
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 3: you know, like history of the Miami Heat, the Yeeric

1627
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 3: Spolster teams, the pack Rock pat Riley mentality. I wonder

1628
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 3: if the dragon has left his body from losing in

1629
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 3: the conference finals last year. Remember pat Riley said that

1630
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,719
Speaker 3: the dragon hadn't left his body about a month after

1631
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 3: the season. Then Tyler Hero. Tyler Hero, you know, he

1632
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 3: signed the big four year one hundred and thirty million

1633
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 3: the other day. So I like this team. I mean,

1634
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 3: I just think they're just going to be so tough

1635
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: at both ends. So I think they hit the over

1636
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: there at fifty plus pass.

1637
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, people I guess aren't excited the number dropped off,

1638
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 6: But I think Kyl Lowry is going to bring juice

1639
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 6: into that locker room. Pat Riley talker about dragons, but

1640
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 6: he also said Cayle Lowry was fat, and that's essentially

1641
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 6: what he said. Now, Larry, I think is going to

1642
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 6: tick that personally. He's got to come back in cheap

1643
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 6: and I think if he's leading every time down the

1644
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 6: court along with Jimmy Butler and bamana By, he miss PJ.

1645
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 6: Tucker a little bit. But I think Tyler Hero will

1646
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 6: have a bounce back year. I go fifty plus, I

1647
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 6: think I think it's an over try.

1648
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 4: That's one I had a lot of trouble with because

1649
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 4: I've like the Heat don't feel like a fifty win

1650
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 4: team to me. They barely got to it last year.

1651
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 4: They didn't replace PJ. Tucker, who was a huge part

1652
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 4: of their team, So now they're starting forward is probably

1653
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 4: Max Struss, who was great last year, looked pretty solid

1654
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 4: over the summer. But you know, Duncan Robinson once upon

1655
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 4: a time had a great season and now he's basically

1656
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 4: out of the rotation. Other than that, Nikola Jovich is

1657
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 4: going to be getting minutes for them. Yeah, great name,

1658
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 4: not the MVP. We shall see how his NBA career

1659
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 4: plays out. But it's hard to pick against the heat

1660
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 4: going over their line. They always go over their line.

1661
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 4: They're always a little bit better than you expect.

1662
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 7: I'll go with.

1663
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 2: Exactly forty nine wins the under ooh, the under? Yeah,

1664
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 2: will they be flirting with fifty? Will they join that?

1665
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what could be four or five teams

1666
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: in the East with you know, fifty to fifty five

1667
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 2: win I think so. I think so. I had forgotten

1668
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 2: how much time. You know, Lowry's missing time because of

1669
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 2: family reasons last year, and you know either was the

1670
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 2: some some health issues with him as well, maybe not

1671
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 2: being quite in shape off of the floor so much so,

1672
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 2: if Bam Butler and Lowry are playing hero knowing is

1673
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 2: wrong and they're still coached by air Sports cop, that's

1674
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 2: to me, is still a fifty win team, so I

1675
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 2: will go just over and take them that. With that,

1676
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 2: a couple more teams left the Orlando Magic twenty six

1677
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 2: and a half. All right. They resigned Gary Harris. Okay,

1678
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: so he's got a torn meniscus. He's going to be

1679
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 2: ill for some time. They resigned Mobamba. They obviously had

1680
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: the number one pick in ban Carrol. What do you

1681
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 2: think about the Magic? Is this a year where they

1682
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 2: can make a step with Suggs and Wagner and Wendell

1683
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 2: Carter and Cale Anthony and who is it?

1684
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they can. They should have more wins

1685
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 3: than they had last year, which was twenty two. So

1686
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to and you know they've got the line

1687
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 3: there at twenty six and a half. Yeah, I think

1688
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 3: they get to twenty eight wins. I'm interested to see

1689
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 3: some development and some growth there from especially Cole Anthony.

1690
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 3: I think he is a good player. I think he's

1691
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 3: got that right attitude and the mentality. He wants to

1692
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 3: go out there, he wants to get a few wins.

1693
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 3: Ban Caro should be good too. From the start. I

1694
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 3: mean he's probably I don't know if he was the

1695
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 3: favorite before Homstrom went down, but he's certainly in that

1696
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 3: top two or three guys, so he's going to get minutes.

1697
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 3: He's going to get opportunity there. And then yeah, I mean,

1698
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: you've got those other guys. Jalen Suggs was hyped up,

1699
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 3: didn't really do all that much last season, so another season. Basically,

1700
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 3: I think teams are going to look at a landed

1701
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 3: like maybe the Pistons last year, and say, who cares

1702
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 3: with this is a wine and they can sneak people. Yeah,

1703
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 3: they can sneak with a few wins there. So Jamal

1704
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 3: Mosley the coach, I mean again, I think you're going

1705
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 3: to try to get these guys to play. They're going

1706
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 3: to have their either on the draft as well, So

1707
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 3: it's like, if we can get another good player next season,

1708
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 3: maybe maybe they don't want to win too much, but

1709
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to be a problem. I

1710
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 3: think they hit the over, but I don't really know

1711
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 3: if to be honest, I'm going to go under.

1712
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 4: I just think the Magic were the worst offense in

1713
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 4: the league last year. Franz Wagner looked awesome playing in

1714
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 4: euro Basket. Bon Caro's a bucket, so they should be

1715
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 4: a little bit better on that outside. Seventeenth in defense

1716
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 4: last year, not bad for a pretty terrible team. Jonathan

1717
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 4: Isaac allegedly is going to be playing basketball again, but

1718
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 4: I don't think it adds enough wins for them to

1719
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 4: go over here. And like Lie saying, when it comes

1720
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 4: down to it, Magic are still in rebuild mode, so

1721
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 4: they will be wanting to get some more good draft picks.

1722
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 3: Haven't they been in rebuilt since the Dwight Howard right

1723
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 3: like a decade ago? Now, I mean, I know they

1724
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 3: mde the playoffs technically, but.

1725
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Yea took the game off the Raptors there.

1726
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 3: He took two off the Bucks, didn't they in the

1727
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 3: bubble down? It's all right, one will two anyway.

1728
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been rebuilding for all though. But now this

1729
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 2: is a low line task.

1730
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 6: They could surprise. They are the Detroit South here that

1731
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 6: it's entirely in line. But I don't think they have

1732
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 6: the same top end talent as the Pistons do. But yeah,

1733
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 6: I'm a Franz believer. Maybe I say they don't have

1734
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 6: the top intel, but these guys could surprise and and

1735
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 6: Banker and Franz mainly is who I'm looking at Yeah,

1736
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,799
Speaker 6: Franz was lining up. Yeah, and it's in in euro Basket,

1737
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 6: no problem, Banco. I believe in his confidence he should

1738
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 6: get plenty of Rookie of the Year votes. I'm a

1739
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 6: little worried about what Jalen Suggs and Cole Anthony do

1740
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 6: in the backcourt. Are they going to let Franz and

1741
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 6: Bancaro be Franz in Bancero?

1742
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 7: I hope.

1743
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 6: So I'm excited to see all these guys post r

1744
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 6: J Hampton be you know, what they are, be what

1745
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 6: they can be. But I am not confident. I'm not

1746
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 6: confident at all. And yeah, it's it's a big ho

1747
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 6: hum when you when you look at the Orlando Magic

1748
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 6: number and what they've become. But it's it's up to

1749
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 6: Franz and boncare. I think they do have a pretty

1750
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 6: high ceiling and sug just needs to bounce back a

1751
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 6: year here in year two.

1752
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this is tough because well it depends how

1753
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 2: you feel about Franz and he is a great player.

1754
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 2: But their best player is a rookie probably in Buck

1755
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 2: Carroll right, their second best at least or second. Now

1756
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 2: they're helped out the location wise, the team's always got

1757
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 2: to come into Florida. I gotta play the Heat and

1758
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 2: then you play the Magic and like you're talking about

1759
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 2: being overlooked, like baby, that plays to in their advantage

1760
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: a little bit and they pick up some sort of

1761
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 2: sneaky wins because of that, and people are excited about

1762
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: South Beach and.

1763
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 7: You know, you gotta go play.

1764
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: That's a cool, god damn great line because it's they're

1765
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 2: going to be right around there. I'm going to go

1766
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 2: over though, I think because I'm much lower on some

1767
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 2: of these other teams like the Pacers and the Hornets

1768
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: and you know a few others in the East. So

1769
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 2: twenty eight that feels twenty eight to thirty feels like

1770
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but like a

1771
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 2: good season for them if they're seeing flash ten. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1772
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 2: So I'll go over on the Orlando Magic. I'm saying

1773
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 2: that out loud. Our final team here, it's not a

1774
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 2: crazy line either. It's the Washington Wizards at thirty five

1775
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 2: and a half. I had forgotten. So shout out to

1776
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 2: Zach Harper in the great job you did with his

1777
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: recaps to the first forty four games last year. The

1778
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: Wizards had a winning record. They're twenty three and twenty one.

1779
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 2: You know, the defense was like excelling in the first

1780
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 2: part of the season. They were winning tight games. They

1781
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: were going to hang around for the play in and

1782
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 2: they fell out of that, and they did some things.

1783
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 2: They traded for Monty Morris and Will Barton. They drafted

1784
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: Johnny Davis with the tenth pick. They signed alt right

1785
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 2: two years, sixteen million, TODJ. Gibson. He's on the Wizards, right,

1786
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 2: that's right, yes, And they resigned Bradley Beal to the

1787
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 2: five year, two hundred and fifty one million dollar contract,

1788
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: so thirty five and a half.

1789
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 6: You know, this is a team you can start talking

1790
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 6: yourself into being a decent team with all the vets.

1791
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 6: You know, if you got Taj yelling at you down

1792
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 6: the bench, if he got Delon right, his defense can

1793
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 6: rub off on you a little bit. Monty Morris picks

1794
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 6: up their point guard spot too, like an average NBA

1795
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 6: point guard level, which is good. Beside Bradley Beal, I'm

1796
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 6: excited for Ruya Chiamora. He had some personal issues coming

1797
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 6: into the last season. He had some injuries. Breakout year

1798
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 6: coming in year four. Maybe I'm a sucker for him, though,

1799
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 6: I don't know if he's going to beat out Will Barton,

1800
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 6: Kyle Kuzma, dny Abdiya, who should play more than him.

1801
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 7: I just mentioned a lot of average guys.

1802
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 6: This team is average, and it screams average, but they

1803
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 6: can overachieve with Morris Beale and then Kuzman Porzingis as

1804
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 6: your locks in your starting lineup. Remember christophs Porzingis plays basketball.

1805
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 6: They can't overachieve, but yeah, it's another one of those

1806
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,440
Speaker 6: that they could definitely overche but they can also underachieve

1807
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 6: and not have great chemistry.

1808
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 2: But we don't even know. We haven't seen Bill and Porzingis.

1809
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 2: Really we don't see him play in regular season. Yeah,

1810
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 2: you know he comes over and Bill's not playing, So

1811
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 2: I take I take the over.

1812
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 6: For some odd reason, I'm not sold on it, but okay,

1813
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 6: I'll take the over.

1814
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1815
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 3: The line thirty five last year, thirty five and a

1816
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 3: half this year, begas Like, we don't know, let's just

1817
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 3: run it back from last season because they'll be better

1818
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 3: than you know, I think teams like Orlando and Indiana

1819
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 3: and stuff, But they're not anywhere close to really getting

1820
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 3: any better than they were last year Kuzma and Bill

1821
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 3: the Vets. They'll go out there and play hard, but yeah,

1822
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 3: they can win thirty five games, so under, yes, I

1823
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 3: guess take. Technically on the they're very uninspiring. I mean,

1824
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 3: just again, like I get why Beel wants the security

1825
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 3: of staying there, but what's the point at this point,

1826
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 3: Like if you don't want to win and you just

1827
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 3: want the money, fine, but you know they should have

1828
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 3: he should have moved on. I'm not inspired at all

1829
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 3: by this team. Okay, so you're on just under I

1830
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 3: think that's what I ended up on you.

1831
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm over for sure. Thirty five wins.

1832
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,799
Speaker 4: Last year, Bill played forty games, they only had pinc

1833
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 4: persingis peer Zingis They only had him for a handful

1834
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 4: of games at the end of the year. So yeah,

1835
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 4: you listen to a bunch of average guys, But the

1836
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 4: Wizards didn't even have average guys for the second half

1837
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 4: of last season. So I think beefing up the point

1838
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 4: guard spot with Morris will Barton's a solid player as well.

1839
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 4: One of their forwards should be able to play, at

1840
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 4: least alongside Kuzma. I'm definitely over on the Wizards just

1841
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 4: because they don't really have an incentive to be bad,

1842
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 4: and they've got a lot of average players, so you'll

1843
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 4: probably be an average team.

1844
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I'm going just over on

1845
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 2: this line. I think they guess wisely put it just

1846
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 2: low enough that I was like, eh, yeah, beeling out there.

1847
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 2: Porzingis like what we can't lock in either of those

1848
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 2: guys being playing seventy games, especially katep his his history

1849
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 2: when it comes to the injury. I just wish we

1850
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 2: could take Denny, Avdia and Ruy and like make them

1851
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: into one player, be an awesome player. It would be

1852
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 2: because Adia great defensively, very really bad on that end,

1853
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 2: but he's a better offensive player than Obvio struggles with

1854
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 2: three point shooting and finishing and stuff like that.

1855
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, he had a bad year last year, but I'm

1856
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 6: believing in Denny too. He was he was balling EuroBasket.

1857
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 6: I know it's EuroBasket sign He did fall off a

1858
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 6: little bit, but I'm a Danny believer. I guess I'm

1859
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 6: just a young guy believer.

1860
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 2: I don't know the guys they brought in, Morris Barton

1861
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 2: Wright and even TODJ. Gibbson. I mean, he's not gonna

1862
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: play a ton, but like a locker room presence and

1863
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 2: like he's not gonna want to lose. That should help.

1864
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 2: I do. Like those those moves.

1865
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 6: It helps for the over underwent total. Yeah, you re

1866
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 6: signed bial for a billion dollars whatever it was. You

1867
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 6: should be able to get to thirty six.

1868
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a great point. Okay,

1869
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 2: so that's fifteen teams in the Eastern Conference. Now we

1870
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: got to pick our three favorites. Make some people some money.

1871
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 2: Don't bet on these, Okay, we don't know anything. Lego

1872
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 2: started work. What are your three locks when it comes

1873
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: to the over unders in the East?

1874
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 3: I got one over the bucks fifty three and a half.

1875
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 3: Lock them in love. I do love mill Worker, I

1876
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 3: love Yannis.

1877
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 2: Do you love Breakfast?

1878
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 3: Yes? I do, yes, yes, if if you get the

1879
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 3: right one.

1880
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, just there's one out there, one.

1881
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 7: The hornet Vegan.

1882
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, I forgot. I've got Vegan. Yeah.

1883
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 3: We had the International We had the International dinner last night.

1884
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 3: Actually at school. I brought along the meat pies because

1885
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 3: it's like the kids love them. Yeah, And then I

1886
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 3: went to the Columbian side and I said, what are

1887
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 3: these that the vegetarian goes, yeah, potato, and I said,

1888
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 3: oh great, grab that, but he goes and beef and

1889
01:21:50,080 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so bucks over hornets, under get off

1890
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 3: them at thirty six and a half, No why to

1891
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 3: hit not? And then Brooklyn the signment under fifteen and

1892
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 3: a half. Don't believe in the nets? Take him take

1893
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 3: them on.

1894
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: You're not going to be opening your third mind this year.

1895
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, okay, okay, so under on the hornets,

1896
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: under on the nets, over on the bucks. That's credit Les.

1897
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 2: Those are his locks tests.

1898
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 7: What do you got, Toronto Raptors lock it in? Oh wow,

1899
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 7: over baby forty six and a half.

1900
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 6: Great regular season team, Philadelphia seventy six ers, I'm going

1901
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 6: over as well, fifteen and a half. They're they're definitely

1902
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 6: a better team than that. I think they can be

1903
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 6: the one seed in the East. And hey, we just

1904
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 6: talked about the Washington Wizards.

1905
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 7: I'm going over.

1906
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 2: Oh it's your lock.

1907
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not excited about it, but I think Kris

1908
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 6: steps per zingis as Trey said, we'll have a good

1909
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 6: peer and the Geeks we'll we'll start calling them Kris

1910
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 6: steps per zingis.

1911
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, good locker room, good locker's good for.

1912
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: Good locker room. All right, Trey, all my locks were

1913
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 2: just chosen. I can't believe that.

1914
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 4: All I'm locking in the Philadelphia seventy six ers over.

1915
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 4: I'm locking them in as the one seed. I'm with

1916
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 4: you late Hornets under. I just think it has been

1917
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 4: since their play in game, it has been bad news

1918
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 4: for the Hornets. So give me the under on that,

1919
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,759
Speaker 4: and then I'm over on the Wizards magical season in Washington.

1920
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:25,759
Speaker 2: Thirty eight wins. Okay, I am locking in the Hornets

1921
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 2: with you guys as well. The under. No way, I

1922
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 2: think they're winning thirty seven or more games, so I'll

1923
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 2: take the under. I think the Pacers are rightfully, I

1924
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 2: want to point out going to lean hard into being

1925
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 2: very bad to help their chances of a victor or

1926
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 2: a scoot. So give me the under twenty four and

1927
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 2: a half for the Indiana Pacers, especially after they trade

1928
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: Turner and or Healed. And then, you know, I did

1929
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 2: this in the West with the Kings, saying the over.

1930
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 2: Whatever that line was, I took you over. It was low.

1931
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 2: You're right, it was pretty low. Yeah, Well I'm gonna

1932
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it with the new York Knicks in

1933
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference. Give me the over thirty nine and

1934
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 2: a half, so they will be a they will be

1935
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 2: a five hundred team. Yeah, I got the tips having

1936
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 2: the Knicks out there.

1937
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 3: If you shouldn't be able to take the over, if

1938
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 3: there's still below five hundred on the season, you should.

1939
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 3: It should have to be at least forty two wins

1940
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 3: if you.

1941
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 2: Take it, give me better O only some point on that.

1942
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, Nick's over under Hornets, Underpacers. I think they might.

1943
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 2: I think they might have the worst record in the league.

1944
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: That's what I'll be a fake putting money on. Yeah,

1945
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 2: fake putty money, not by money. So let's hear from

1946
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 2: you guys. Go ahead.

1947
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 4: I can't believe this. I just looked up some Wizard

1948
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 4: stats here. You'll never guess who led the team in

1949
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,560
Speaker 4: p R last season. To even name him, say his

1950
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 4: name properly, Chris twenty seven point seven p it was

1951
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 4: he was balling in Washington. All of us big Wizards

1952
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 4: fans here are feeling great about the Sea.

1953
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 2: The Wizards fans would be like, why tank for Victor

1954
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: when we already have one? We got we got girl.

1955
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 7: A little beerd over the summer too, Beard zingis okay?

1956
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: Cool? All right? Those are our picks. When it comes

1957
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 2: to the Eastern conference over Unders, let's hear from you

1958
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 2: everybody listening. Tweet at us at no dunk sing, or

1959
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 2: let us know in the comments below the YouTube video

1960
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 2: your three locks for those over unders in the East.

1961
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: Later today, this is fun at one pm Eastern? Is

1962
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,600
Speaker 2: this good? Uh?

1963
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1964
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 2: A lot of new sexy as wow.

1965
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 7: Streak we're talking about?

1966
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 2: Is this good? Streaking? You know? Running onto the field?

1967
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 2: We're talking about? Cologne? Is that good? And couples massages,

1968
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: oh my, and a whole lot more with Mattio asking

1969
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 2: the hard hitting questions. It's tacin eye on today's Is

1970
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 2: this good? With Matt and JD. So that's one pm?

1971
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 3: What's that very rotic show? I've you've stop messaging each other.

1972
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:03,839
Speaker 2: We should have to do it, dude?

1973
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 3: Why not as good as only one letter you have

1974
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 3: to change? Is this? Oh no, it's not, dude, it's nude?

1975
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude and od okay, So that's coming up at

1976
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 2: one game from the Classic Factory. Then later tonight. Yeah,

1977
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 2: what a triple header day here in the CLASSI Factory.

1978
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,879
Speaker 7: No buns, Yeah, we had a rain delay yesterday. Yeah,

1979
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 7: triple header today.

1980
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 2: Wow. Do you know what time you're going live in Theory.

1981
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 6: Let's say five pH Yeah, we're getting earlier. The playoff

1982
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 6: bracket is set. It's a playoff primer for all the

1983
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 6: casual baseball game. Casual what's going on in the Wildcard Series?

1984
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 6: And I'm going to force you guys to watch a

1985
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 6: game this weekend as well with me online, okay, and

1986
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 6: will ask everybody else to watch as well. Okay, And

1987
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,879
Speaker 6: that's the point. Everybody can watch with us. Watch some baseball,

1988
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 6: pop some cracker jacks, watch some baseball together cracker cracker

1989
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 6: Jacks as well.

1990
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 2: So, yeah, what a day here in the Classic Factory?

1991
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,799
Speaker 2: Is this good? At one? No Bunts at five tomorrow.

1992
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,839
Speaker 2: If you're a Survivor fan, go check out No Buffs,

1993
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 2: which has its own YouTube and podcast feed. That's at

1994
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 2: ten am Eastern talking about tonight's episode of Survivor, episode three.

1995
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 2: Get your picks in. I saw Sean say lock your

1996
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 2: picks in right now. Yeah, better get them in. I

1997
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 2: did mine this morning, So make sure your picks are

1998
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 2: in if you're a part of our No Buffs fantasy pool,

1999
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 2: and make your picks everybody's getting their Picchu right now.

2000
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 2: And then this is fun. On Friday, we're gonna be

2001
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 2: releasing our Film Session podcast on the new Redeemed Team

2002
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 2: doc which airs that day on Netflix. They hooked your

2003
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 2: boys up with the screener, so we'll be talking about

2004
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 2: Film Session. We'll drop that on Friday. Spoiler alert. It's

2005
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 2: a fun documentary. If you like that, if you like

2006
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 2: the Olympics, this is the movie for you. So that's

2007
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 2: coming up at the end of the week. Let's call

2008
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 2: it there though, until we see you later today, Clipper Brose, you.

2009
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 7: Heard it here first.

2010
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,799
Speaker 2: Have a great time, turn up. Love you guys awesome, thanks.

2011
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 7: For joining us.

2012
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 6: And remember Chris savsporsingus once known the unicorn, but now

2013
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 6: he's the goat because he shaved the sides of his beard.

2014
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 7: Now it's just a goat.