WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Crime Scene Cleanup Works 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.320 Hi, everybody. Chuck here with my select pick of the week, 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:08.959 How crime scene Cleanup Works from September seven, two thousand ten. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:13.480 There's an oldie body goody and part of our probably 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.600 not ever going to be finished sweet on crime and punishment, 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.440 And this one was pretty good crime scene clean up. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.120 You never think about that. What happens, who goes in there, 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.479 how's it done? What are the rules around crime scene 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.120 clean up? And we detail all of that good stuff 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:36.480 in this week's Selects episode. Welcome to Stuff you Should 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:45.360 Know from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.159 to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:54.440 and h that makes the stuff you should know. Freshly shaven, 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.400 m hm, I got rid of the beard. Yeah, I 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.760 cleaned up this crime scene of the face. Your hair 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.479 sticking on a really weird way? Is it out from 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.720 my hat? Thank you? That's even crazier. Please don't like 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.800 lick your thumb and come over like mommys the I 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.240 should say for those of you who might be experiencing 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.400 some sort of alarm or teror right now. Chuck kept 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.920 the goatee. He just shaved the beard. Part of the 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.039 parts that made it a beard. I guess the burnside 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:26.839 mutton chops yea, and the neck fuzz Yeah, looking good, 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.720 Thank you, Chuck. Have you ever seen a movie called 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:37.200 Curdled No, it's a little sleeper produced by one Quentin Tarantino. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.960 It's about this very quiet, kind of demure woman who 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.160 um gets a job as a crime scene clean up person. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.560 It's the girl from Pulp Fiction, the cab driver, right. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:51.760 I believe she. I believe she was the taxi driver 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.440 who drove Bruce Willis around after the boxing match from 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.040 Pulp Fiction. Really of that movie, I haven't seen it, 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.000 but I think that's her. It's worth seeing, is it. 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.200 But now that i've I've read this crime scene cleanup 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.920 article on our fair site how stuff works dot com. Um, 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.640 I realized just how far off the mark some of 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.840 the details were on that was it pretty far? Yeah? 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.120 A little bit. Have you seen Sunshine Cleaning? No, But 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.160 from the previous that one looks pretty far off the 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.200 mark to like, I remember seeing them carrying out like 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.760 a mattress and just like you know, um, Mrs Brady 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.200 spring cleaning type outfits. Yeah, you remember that she had 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.200 like the little de rag and she had like the 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.080 little clam diggers rolled up and like some converse on 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:34.799 just like cute as a button. That was one of 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.600 the jokes of the scenes. Actually, they were carrying out 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.440 this Amy Adams and the other girl carrying out this 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.200 nasty like bloody mattress and one of them dropped her 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.600 end and the other one fell on the bloody stain 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.720 and it was just like and it mate. It's really 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.519 good movie though, actually was it? Yeah? It was great? 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.400 Is it by the people who made um a little 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.120 Miss Sunshine? Or am I just confusing that because sunt 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.280 the name. It's a little indie though Alan Arkin was 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:00.440 in it, so maybe so I wonder it's good? All right, Well, um, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.000 both of these movies are utter frauds when it comes 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.560 to the details, right chuck uh yeah for the most part. Okay, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.000 let's talk about crime scene clean up, the real stuff, 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:14.280 because there's nothing cute or about it. It's actually horrific 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.320 work and it takes a very specific kind of person 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.359 and the those people last in average of about eight 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.880 months before they get burned out in this business, right yeah, 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.640 all right, So it's actually called it's it's part of 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.880 the cleaning industry and the it's a niche part of 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:34.560 the cleaning industry, not very heavily marketed in traditional channels. Exactly, 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.440 it's not how it works. Um. But it's called CTSD 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:44.240 con Crime and Trauma Scene decontamination, right, and Um, basically 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:48.160 what it is is it is a cleaning service on steroids. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.680 There's no Mrs Brady outfits. You're wearing full bio hazard 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.920 has matt suits, no French Maids going on here, nothing 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.600 like that, because you're dealing with some really dangerous stuff. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.839 You're dealing with um blow which often feature appropriately enough 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:07.680 blood borne pathogens. Um, you're cleaning up meth labs. Yeah, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.200 that's a big one. Um, And a lot of times 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.120 you're you're um And we should probably warn people this. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.080 This is gonna get a little graphic here. Sure, you 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.200 can't do what I'm scene without being a little graphic, right, 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.479 But I mean you're cleaning up like there may not 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.480 be a body there anymore, but you're picking up pieces 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.920 of bone that the the crime scene investigators missed. Um, 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:33.200 you're scraping brain off of walls. It's not normal work, right, Yeah, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.360 I mean I think that's where the decontamination part of 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.200 the CTS deacon comes in. It's not just cleaning, You're 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.880 you're actually your goal is to return the spot to 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.200 its original condition. So like you don't it made a 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.960 point in this article, like you don't just clean the 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.800 carpet because if the carpet has a two inch blood 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.640 stain on the carpet, there's probably a two foot blood 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.400 stain under the carpet on the floorboard. Right, Yeah, So 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.760 cleaning the carpet doesn't work. You've gotta cut the carpet out, 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.000 maybe cut the base base boards out, right, So it 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:08.400 is decontaminations. Um who wrote this, Julia Layton, She's she's 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.240 got the goods. She definitely has the goods, but the 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.640 way she put it has to be actually clean, not 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.480 just apparently clean, right yeah, which I do apparently cleaning 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.640 in my house. But I mean we're not cutting up 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.840 carpet and replacing floorboards or anything. Um So it takes 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.159 a very certain type of person um because of the 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.359 gore that you're going to have to deal with in 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.320 a large number of your cases. Um So, a lot 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:39.080 of the people in UM the ct S DACON industry 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.880 or former or maybe even current e m t S 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:46.360 emergency room nurses people who are already trained to deal 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.520 with this kind of thing. Yeah, that that one articles 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.120 And you know, I think that that company said they 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.600 hire a lot of former firemen and I would think 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.400 probably military people, people that have dealt with high stress 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.560 and dead bodies. Yeah, basically, but it's not just that. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.039 I mean you have to um also is a crime 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.760 scene clean up person. You have to have a sympathetic nature, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.600 is one of the points in this article. Right, sympathetic 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.359 but not empathetic, right, because there's a lot of times 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:19.560 when all the the the ambulance is gone, the cops 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.680 are gone, but the family is still there and they 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.080 may be sitting there sobbing while they're watching you clean 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:29.520 the house. Um, and you you have to be able to, yeah, 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.640 sympathize with them without getting caught up in and what 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.039 they're experiencing. Right then you have to be able to 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:40.200 remain detached, but you have to be um uh, you 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.240 have to be understanding to what they're going through to Yeah. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.400 The one guy in that article that they interviewed said 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.320 that he's cried along with families and stuff like that. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.960 And um, I think they also said that some companies 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:57.160 offer grief counselors along with their service. Yeah, the upon 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.520 request apparently, if you want a grief counselor usually that 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.919 can be factored into the price or else the company 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.000 will will give it to you for free. Yeah. In 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.560 Sunshine Cleaning, there was never anyone at the scene, but um, 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.400 it was realistic in some ways because one of the 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:15.560 subplots involved UM. One of the girls found a wallet 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.840 and an identification from the deceased and ended up looking 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.320 up her daughter and befriending her daughter, but not telling 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:27.080 the daughter that she had cleaned up her mother's suicide 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.880 or homicide scene. So they kind of dealt with that, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.800 you know, delicately. That's great. Yeah, that's probably the one 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.760 thing you should deal with delicately, right, Um, because some 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.320 of the stuff that you're cleaning up is pretty rough stuff. 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.920 So let's talk about the three main scenes that you're 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:50.640 going to encounter as a UM clean up technician, Josh. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.800 Number one, you've got violent death, which is homicide, suicide 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:59.960 or bad luck accident type of thing. You've got a decomposition, 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:05.400 decomposing body happening, and meth labs is a lot of 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.200 their business comes from meth labs that have exploded because 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.200 meth labs are known for exploding. I don't even know 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.760 that they necessarily have to have exploded. I think just 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.120 the fact that there was a meth lab there, that's true. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.080 It means that you have to decontaminate the scene. Absolutely. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:24.680 Apparently meth labs um are so toxic that they're um 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.040 capable of making people who live in a former meth 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:32.040 lab sick, like a decade on um. Some of the 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:41.120 toxins that you're running into our things like acetone, methanol, benzene, iodine, 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.920 hydrochloric acid. This is like the ingredients of myth. Right, 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.400 this is what people are snoring. Kids. Unless you want 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:53.800 to turn into a disgusting, haggard wreck mess of a human, 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.080 stay away from meth. Meth equals death. Just look at 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:58.800 those pictures. You've seen those pictures on the internet that 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.720 showed the before and after. Yeah, oh god, that that 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.280 should be like on billboards in Oklahoma. We should talk 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.760 a podcast on meth sometime. We have a good article. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:11.000 It's like Tom she wrote it. Yeah, we absolutely should. Um. So. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.400 One of the one of the reasons why meth labs 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.640 are so dangerous is because you are going to absorb 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.240 the stuff through your skin. It leaves a toxic breads 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.800 to do, not just on walls, but on the air 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:27.480 as well. So another um I guess prior job experience 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.160 that is good to bring to the table if you're 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.920 a crime scene clean up person is construction background or 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.720 at the very least demolition, because a lot of cases, 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.400 like with UM meth labs, like if it was a 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.280 house or an apartment or something, you have to knock 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.960 everything out. Anything that UM can't be put in some 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.720 sort of decontaminating chemical. UM has to be taken out, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.120 thrown away. That includes drywall, floorboards, carpet, all this stuff 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.160 until it's just down to the bones of the building. Yeah, 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.320 or they will tear it down or more likely, uh, 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.360 haul the trailer away. Well, let's talk about this. We 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.400 said that you're not wearing UM just normal everyday spring 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.160 cleaning clothes. You're wearing like full on biohezard suit. Right. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.760 What are some of the other um I guess tools 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:15.040 of the trade, Chuckers, Well, there's there's a laundry list. Josh. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.880 You you definitely want your protective gear. UM. You have 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.480 to have biowaste containers like big fifty five gallon drums 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.520 to hold this stuff. You can't just throw it in 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.040 a bag into the back of your van. There's regulations 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.480 you gotta follow. Um, you're gonna have your regular cleaning 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.439 supplies that you would need to clean up any kind 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.600 of mess, you know, mops and disinfectants and that kind 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:40.600 of thing. You've got your more hardcore supplies like industrial strength, 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:46.200 like hospital strength, the disinfectants which only allow the merca 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:51.479 bug to survive. Really now there's like hospital acquired mercer infections. 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.200 I don't know anything about that. Yeah, or they like 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.079 get used to the industrial cleaners and they're like these 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.680 super bugs are like bring it. When you spray it 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.920 on them, it's bad news. That's some ticks. You can 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.640 have an ozone machine which removes odors. You can have 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:09.280 a fogger which they will use to shoot um stuff 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.440 into like air ducts to get rid of odors. Right, Well, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.280 it'll um. It takes a chemical and kind of gets 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.679 it around corners and stuff. You get everywhere with it. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.520 When you have when you run it through a fogger, 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.920 apparently you've got some enzyme solvents you want to kill bacteria, 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.520 and it can also liquefied dried blood, which can be 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.360 pretty nasty to get out once it's coagulated and dried, right, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.280 which is why you want shovels. Apparently chuck after what 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:38.400 three hours two hours coagulates into kind of a jelly 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.600 like goo that you can shovel into bags. So gross 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.800 but very very thick bags biohazard bags. They also include 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.960 in this article putty knives to scrape brain matter from 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.680 the wall, because apparently brain when it dries becomes like cement, 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.480 and we'll stick to something like cement, which is really 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.200 gross and sad. You can also use um a steam 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:04.480 basically a steamer to steam it back into gooiness. Yeah. 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.520 And then my favorite thing, which is be the first 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.880 thing in my van, would be the no touch cleaning system. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:15.120 And these are like big long scrubbing brushes, uh, heavy 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.320 duty sprayers, things like that, like pressure washers and no 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.600 touch cleaning system seems like the smartest cleaning system, yes 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.560 it is. Yeah. Then, like you said, you want some 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.080 carponry tools, probably ladders, stuff like that, and then a 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.440 camera because you need to take before and after pictures 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.640 for insurance, and you wouldn't think about that, right, And 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:37.840 actually Apparently most insurance covers this, right, Yeah, insurance covers 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:39.720 it a lot of times. Or if it's a homicide, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.680 I think it's paid for by the state, by the 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:47.800 federal government really Crime Victory Victim Reparations Agency. Okay, and 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.320 I know the state agencies that do that too, So well, 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.120 we're getting aheir of ourselves. I don't mean to jump 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.120 the gun, but let's talk more about some of the scenes. Specifically, 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.480 we talked about meth labs, Chuck, one of the other 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.680 big ones that you'll be called out to. That makes 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:06.360 quite a message when a decomposing body is found, right, absolutely, 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.520 he had to call him de comps in the in 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.400 the trade. Uh, that's not gonna be like usually, it's 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.920 not gonna be some big nasty um blood sprays and 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.040 like brains and things. It's not gonna be all over 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.400 the place, but it can be pretty nasty because a 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:26.040 decomposing body, Josh, is really gross. Your body swells up, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.760 um insects move into your body and take up residence. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.000 Your organs are going to digest themselves, and your skin liquefies. Yeah, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.040 remember we talked about um rigor mortis or no, I 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.000 think it was On the Body Farms episode, we talked 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.400 a lot about how decomposition works. So if you want 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.520 to know more about d COMP go listen to our 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.199 Body Farms, Um eppie right, Yeah, And of course there's 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.080 the smell. You can't talk about decomposition without the smell. No, 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.000 And as Julia Layton puts it, it would bring an 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:57.800 average person to his knees. Yeah, that's bad. Yes, apparently 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.520 it's ammonia. It's an ammonia based smell created by d 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.280 COMP like the litter box. Yeah, you ever cleaned out 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.439 of litter box? Sure, I have toxic plasmos is all 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.520 over the place, that's right. Um. The other thing too 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.160 with a d COMP is and this you know, you 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.120 don't think about these things when you hear about it 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.560 on the news. But someone actually has to go behind 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.480 after the body has been removed. There's probably liquefied parts 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:25.280 of the body there, and there's also maggots that have 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.600 already feasted and have the blood inside of them, and 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.120 you gotta get it. You gotta get rid of them too, 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.720 because they're carrying you know, disease maybe right, And so 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.440 you have to basically scour the place looking for maggots, 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.400 collect the maggots, and then you dispose of them through burning. Right, 0:14:39.960 --> 0:15:06.520 tastes like burning. That's dcompey, that's D. Now let's get 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.760 down to the one that everybody's fascinated with that all 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:12.680 the movies are about. And those are murder scenes, suicide scenes, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.720 accidental shootings, basically where somebody was shot it's specifically in 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.400 the head, I guess is the worst. I mean, you've 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.480 seen Full Metal Jacket, right, remember pile. Yeah, someone had 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.800 to clean that up. Somebody did. Yeah, I'll bet it 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.320 was a joker. Well, somebody in the art department for 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.840 the movie. But uh, yeah, a violent death is not 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.080 good because there's gonna be lots of blood. Especially suicides 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.200 they say are probably the worst for the blood. Yeah, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.240 which is why I guess. I can't see shooting yourself 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.960 in the head at home. That's just so so much 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.240 of a problem. It's just a huge problem. At least 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.400 go to a hotel or a motel. And that Hunter 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.200 Thompson did, he shot himself in his basement while he's 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.160 on the phone with his wife. But I mean, I 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.560 think it's fine for him that he was on the 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.920 phone with her because apparently he'd let her know that 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.440 this was happening. This wasn't like she had no idea 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.880 that something like this was going to happen, but at home. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:06.640 He did it at home, which I can understand wanting 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.160 to be at home. But yeah, I guess shooting yourself 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.640 in the head if you're going to why, I don't 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.240 see why you would do it at home. Yeah, I agree. Uh, 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.160 And like we said earlier, it has to be really 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.320 really clean. So any bodily fluid is a potential pathogen. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.360 And not only that, but after you leave, if you 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.680 don't get it all up, it can lead to mold 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:33.520 and bacteria and cause people to get sick like months afterward. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.960 you have to, like you said, restore this place to 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.040 the state it was in before the trigger was pulled, right, Yeah, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.840 And it can take up to, I mean a few 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.680 hours to up to like forty eight hours to do this. Yeah. 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.120 And apparently a good crime scene clean up company is 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.880 gonna charge you about six hundred bucks an hour. Yeah, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.720 it ain't cheap um for one room with lots of 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:00.320 blood for a homicide or suicide, it's gonna cost you 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.240 between three and sixth grand I guess right. Yeah. One 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.760 of the reasons why it's so expensive is because these 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.600 people don't just take the stuff home and throw it 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.480 in their trash out front. Right. There are really specific 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.639 permits and rules that govern disposal of this which, by 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.760 the way, we should say the actual industry itself is 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.880 not regulated. Yeah, it's not nationally regulated. No, but they 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:26.040 generally follow Ocean's bloodborne pathogen standards, which requires training and 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.159 certification itself. Um. But to be a crime scene cleanup 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.040 technician that you don't there's no national certification or even 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:38.400 state or local certification. It's just company training. Yeah yeah, right, 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.359 and but I'm you know, we'll talk about the training 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:41.800 in a minute. But they obviously want to do a 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.160 good job because the last thing you want is I mean, 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.160 the turnover is already high enough, you know. Um. But 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.080 like we said, there is plenty of permits and um 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.000 standards and procedures to follow in disposing of this waste. Right. Yeah, 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:55.720 you can't just like you said, you can't throw in 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.720 the dumpster like they do in Sunshine cleaning. You have 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.560 to incenterate it. And there are medical waste incinerator companies 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.439 and uh, the one thing I thought they charged by 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.520 the pound, which I thought was kind of gross. But 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:07.959 how else are you going to do it? Because it's 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.000 a pound of nastiness. Yeah, And the other thing I 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.040 thought was kind of gross was they a lot of 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.439 them have minimum charges. So if you don't have the 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:20.760 minimum you have to keep this uh bio human bio 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.800 waste in your van, well, not in your van, but 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.920 if it's hot and in like a refrigerated space until 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.560 you have collect enough of it to go to the incinerator. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.280 You know, I'll bet it's funny. I'll bet the same um, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.520 the same companies that that operate medical waste incinerators also 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.040 just so happen to have some cold storage units that 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.640 you can put your waist in until you have enough 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.880 to burn. To be smart, but I'll bet it's I'll 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.080 bet if you're in the industry for a while, you're 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.280 friends with some guy who operates it, and you kick 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.119 them like fifty bucks to throw your stuff in with 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:54.960 somebody else's or whatever. But you better be incinerating it 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.480 following proper procedure else you're a horrible jerk, right, Yes, 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.919 And it's not just the goal where that has to 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.879 be disposed of. Um, If you have just deconstructed a 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.719 house that was a meth lab. You've got to do 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.359 something with this waste again. Can't just take it to 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:12.240 the dumpster you came and take it to a normal dump. 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.239 You have to take it to special dumps that are 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.840 um out of public reach, right right right? Um, and 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.439 just transporting it you have to have a special permit 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.080 for that, right, you have to have a has Met permit. Yeah, 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.000 my friend, uh, my friend Timmy has he works in 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.520 has Matt Disposal And now yeah you met Timmy. Now 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.119 he does a lot of um like trained derailments and 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.280 stuff like that. But he used to live in Oklahoma, 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.480 and in Oklahoma nothing but nothing but meth labs and 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.160 he had to do uh he didn't do crime scene cleanup, 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.680 but he he worked on teams that investigated sites, I think. 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.000 And he said that he saw bodies that had dirt 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.840 the body that they've shoveled dirt in their mouths and 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:56.160 would choke on it sometimes because apparently once whatever badness 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.240 happens and it becomes airborne, it's such a like awful 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:03.359 re action like that you're breathing in this in they 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.560 start just putting something in their mouth to try and 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.960 quell this nasty taste, so they would like stuff dirt 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.440 in their mouths until they died, not nasty. Said, that's horrible. 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.240 It's another reason not to cook or do meth. What 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.439 a mini um. So let's say you all this is 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:25.280 like yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and you're looking to earn no, 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.000 I don't know, between thirty five and fifty grand without 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.760 a high school diploma. We should say, um, what what 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.879 do you need to do to become a crime scene 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.119 clean up technician? Well, we already talked about some of 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:42.399 the uh traits they look for in somebody, like to 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.639 be empathetic and maybe to have prior training with the 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.480 dead bodies and stuff like that. But they will actually 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.720 give you test um to make sure that you won't like, 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.240 throw up on the scene in front of a family. Yeah, 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:57.160 it's like monster's ball. Yeah, that would be awful to go. 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.880 Can you imagine losing a family member in your home 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.119 and then someone coming in to clean it and then 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.159 they start throwing up all over the place. Plus, if 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.240 you're the owner of the company, that's just extra work, 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.960 that's more clean up that you can't charge for, right, 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.280 So they will actually put you through a test to 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.639 pass a gross factor that um it ranges from like 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.440 looking at pictures of dead bodies to actually cleaning up 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.840 dead animals carcasses to make sure that you won't vomit. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:25.359 And I wonder if they tell you that it's actual 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:30.399 like human stuff, but it's actually like a fox like 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:34.160 Halloween when you when you reach into the shape grapes 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:38.800 and their eyeballs. Yeah. Um, you also really really really 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.760 need to get a hepatitis B vaccine every five years. 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.360 As a matter of fact, as many letters as there 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:47.600 are types of hepatitis I would get a vaccine for 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.200 each of them, probably every month. Yeah, what do we 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.080 get heap A for Guatemala so we can still wouldn't 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:58.440 qualify huh. Um. Also, Chuck, even if you are a 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.320 very strong person, we like we said, the turnovers about 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:06.240 eight months on average, and you are um really at 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:11.320 risk for a couple of stress disorders UM, critical incident 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:15.120 stress syndrome and secondary traumatic stress disorder. Yeah, and basically 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.320 the first one is you were on site of like 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:22.320 horrific events routinely it's tough to shake off. And then 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.639 the other one is if you become too attached to 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:29.280