1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Chuck here with my select pick of the week, 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: How crime scene Cleanup Works from September seven, two thousand ten. 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: There's an oldie body goody and part of our probably 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: not ever going to be finished sweet on crime and punishment, 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: And this one was pretty good crime scene clean up. 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: You never think about that. What happens, who goes in there, 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: how's it done? What are the rules around crime scene 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: clean up? And we detail all of that good stuff 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: in this week's Selects episode. Welcome to Stuff you Should 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Know from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: and h that makes the stuff you should know. Freshly shaven, 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: m hm, I got rid of the beard. Yeah, I 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: cleaned up this crime scene of the face. Your hair 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: sticking on a really weird way? Is it out from 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: my hat? Thank you? That's even crazier. Please don't like 17 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: lick your thumb and come over like mommys the I 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: should say for those of you who might be experiencing 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: some sort of alarm or teror right now. Chuck kept 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: the goatee. He just shaved the beard. Part of the 21 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: parts that made it a beard. I guess the burnside 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: mutton chops yea, and the neck fuzz Yeah, looking good, 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, Chuck. Have you ever seen a movie called 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: Curdled No, it's a little sleeper produced by one Quentin Tarantino. 25 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: It's about this very quiet, kind of demure woman who 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: um gets a job as a crime scene clean up person. 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: It's the girl from Pulp Fiction, the cab driver, right. 28 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: I believe she. I believe she was the taxi driver 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: who drove Bruce Willis around after the boxing match from 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Pulp Fiction. Really of that movie, I haven't seen it, 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: but I think that's her. It's worth seeing, is it. 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: But now that i've I've read this crime scene cleanup 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: article on our fair site how stuff works dot com. Um, 34 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: I realized just how far off the mark some of 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: the details were on that was it pretty far? Yeah? 36 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: A little bit. Have you seen Sunshine Cleaning? No, But 37 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: from the previous that one looks pretty far off the 38 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: mark to like, I remember seeing them carrying out like 39 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: a mattress and just like you know, um, Mrs Brady 40 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: spring cleaning type outfits. Yeah, you remember that she had 41 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: like the little de rag and she had like the 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: little clam diggers rolled up and like some converse on 43 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: just like cute as a button. That was one of 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: the jokes of the scenes. Actually, they were carrying out 45 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: this Amy Adams and the other girl carrying out this 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: nasty like bloody mattress and one of them dropped her 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: end and the other one fell on the bloody stain 48 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: and it was just like and it mate. It's really 49 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: good movie though, actually was it? Yeah? It was great? 50 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: Is it by the people who made um a little 51 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: Miss Sunshine? Or am I just confusing that because sunt 52 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: the name. It's a little indie though Alan Arkin was 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: in it, so maybe so I wonder it's good? All right, Well, um, 54 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: both of these movies are utter frauds when it comes 55 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: to the details, right chuck uh yeah for the most part. Okay, 56 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: let's talk about crime scene clean up, the real stuff, 57 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: because there's nothing cute or about it. It's actually horrific 58 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: work and it takes a very specific kind of person 59 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: and the those people last in average of about eight 60 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: months before they get burned out in this business, right yeah, 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: all right, So it's actually called it's it's part of 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: the cleaning industry and the it's a niche part of 63 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: the cleaning industry, not very heavily marketed in traditional channels. Exactly, 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: it's not how it works. Um. But it's called CTSD 65 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: con Crime and Trauma Scene decontamination, right, and Um, basically 66 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: what it is is it is a cleaning service on steroids. 67 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: There's no Mrs Brady outfits. You're wearing full bio hazard 68 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: has matt suits, no French Maids going on here, nothing 69 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: like that, because you're dealing with some really dangerous stuff. 70 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 1: You're dealing with um blow which often feature appropriately enough 71 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: blood borne pathogens. Um, you're cleaning up meth labs. Yeah, 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: that's a big one. Um, And a lot of times 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: you're you're um And we should probably warn people this. 74 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: This is gonna get a little graphic here. Sure, you 75 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: can't do what I'm scene without being a little graphic, right, 76 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: But I mean you're cleaning up like there may not 77 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: be a body there anymore, but you're picking up pieces 78 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: of bone that the the crime scene investigators missed. Um, 79 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: you're scraping brain off of walls. It's not normal work, right, Yeah, 80 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean I think that's where the decontamination part of 81 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: the CTS deacon comes in. It's not just cleaning, You're 82 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: you're actually your goal is to return the spot to 83 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: its original condition. So like you don't it made a 84 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: point in this article, like you don't just clean the 85 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: carpet because if the carpet has a two inch blood 86 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: stain on the carpet, there's probably a two foot blood 87 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: stain under the carpet on the floorboard. Right, Yeah, So 88 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: cleaning the carpet doesn't work. You've gotta cut the carpet out, 89 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: maybe cut the base base boards out, right, So it 90 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: is decontaminations. Um who wrote this, Julia Layton, She's she's 91 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: got the goods. She definitely has the goods, but the 92 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: way she put it has to be actually clean, not 93 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: just apparently clean, right yeah, which I do apparently cleaning 94 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: in my house. But I mean we're not cutting up 95 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: carpet and replacing floorboards or anything. Um So it takes 96 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: a very certain type of person um because of the 97 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: gore that you're going to have to deal with in 98 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: a large number of your cases. Um So, a lot 99 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: of the people in UM the ct S DACON industry 100 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: or former or maybe even current e m t S 101 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: emergency room nurses people who are already trained to deal 102 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: with this kind of thing. Yeah, that that one articles 103 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: And you know, I think that that company said they 104 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: hire a lot of former firemen and I would think 105 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: probably military people, people that have dealt with high stress 106 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: and dead bodies. Yeah, basically, but it's not just that. 107 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: I mean you have to um also is a crime 108 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: scene clean up person. You have to have a sympathetic nature, 109 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: is one of the points in this article. Right, sympathetic 110 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: but not empathetic, right, because there's a lot of times 111 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: when all the the the ambulance is gone, the cops 112 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: are gone, but the family is still there and they 113 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: may be sitting there sobbing while they're watching you clean 114 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: the house. Um, and you you have to be able to, yeah, 115 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: sympathize with them without getting caught up in and what 116 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: they're experiencing. Right then you have to be able to 117 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: remain detached, but you have to be um uh, you 118 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: have to be understanding to what they're going through to Yeah. 119 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: The one guy in that article that they interviewed said 120 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: that he's cried along with families and stuff like that. 121 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: And um, I think they also said that some companies 122 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: offer grief counselors along with their service. Yeah, the upon 123 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: request apparently, if you want a grief counselor usually that 124 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: can be factored into the price or else the company 125 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: will will give it to you for free. Yeah. In 126 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: Sunshine Cleaning, there was never anyone at the scene, but um, 127 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: it was realistic in some ways because one of the 128 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: subplots involved UM. One of the girls found a wallet 129 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: and an identification from the deceased and ended up looking 130 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: up her daughter and befriending her daughter, but not telling 131 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: the daughter that she had cleaned up her mother's suicide 132 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: or homicide scene. So they kind of dealt with that, 133 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, delicately. That's great. Yeah, that's probably the one 134 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: thing you should deal with delicately, right, Um, because some 135 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: of the stuff that you're cleaning up is pretty rough stuff. 136 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the three main scenes that you're 137 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: going to encounter as a UM clean up technician, Josh. 138 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: Number one, you've got violent death, which is homicide, suicide 139 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: or bad luck accident type of thing. You've got a decomposition, 140 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: decomposing body happening, and meth labs is a lot of 141 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: their business comes from meth labs that have exploded because 142 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: meth labs are known for exploding. I don't even know 143 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: that they necessarily have to have exploded. I think just 144 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: the fact that there was a meth lab there, that's true. 145 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: It means that you have to decontaminate the scene. Absolutely. 146 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: Apparently meth labs um are so toxic that they're um 147 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: capable of making people who live in a former meth 148 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: lab sick, like a decade on um. Some of the 149 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: toxins that you're running into our things like acetone, methanol, benzene, iodine, 150 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: hydrochloric acid. This is like the ingredients of myth. Right, 151 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: this is what people are snoring. Kids. Unless you want 152 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: to turn into a disgusting, haggard wreck mess of a human, 153 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: stay away from meth. Meth equals death. Just look at 154 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: those pictures. You've seen those pictures on the internet that 155 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: showed the before and after. Yeah, oh god, that that 156 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: should be like on billboards in Oklahoma. We should talk 157 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: a podcast on meth sometime. We have a good article. 158 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: It's like Tom she wrote it. Yeah, we absolutely should. Um. So. 159 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: One of the one of the reasons why meth labs 160 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: are so dangerous is because you are going to absorb 161 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: the stuff through your skin. It leaves a toxic breads 162 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: to do, not just on walls, but on the air 163 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: as well. So another um I guess prior job experience 164 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: that is good to bring to the table if you're 165 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: a crime scene clean up person is construction background or 166 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: at the very least demolition, because a lot of cases, 167 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: like with UM meth labs, like if it was a 168 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: house or an apartment or something, you have to knock 169 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: everything out. Anything that UM can't be put in some 170 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: sort of decontaminating chemical. UM has to be taken out, 171 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: thrown away. That includes drywall, floorboards, carpet, all this stuff 172 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: until it's just down to the bones of the building. Yeah, 173 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: or they will tear it down or more likely, uh, 174 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: haul the trailer away. Well, let's talk about this. We 175 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: said that you're not wearing UM just normal everyday spring 176 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: cleaning clothes. You're wearing like full on biohezard suit. Right. 177 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: What are some of the other um I guess tools 178 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: of the trade, Chuckers, Well, there's there's a laundry list. Josh. 179 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: You you definitely want your protective gear. UM. You have 180 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: to have biowaste containers like big fifty five gallon drums 181 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: to hold this stuff. You can't just throw it in 182 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: a bag into the back of your van. There's regulations 183 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: you gotta follow. Um, you're gonna have your regular cleaning 184 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: supplies that you would need to clean up any kind 185 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: of mess, you know, mops and disinfectants and that kind 186 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: of thing. You've got your more hardcore supplies like industrial strength, 187 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: like hospital strength, the disinfectants which only allow the merca 188 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,479 Speaker 1: bug to survive. Really now there's like hospital acquired mercer infections. 189 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that. Yeah, or they like 190 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: get used to the industrial cleaners and they're like these 191 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: super bugs are like bring it. When you spray it 192 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: on them, it's bad news. That's some ticks. You can 193 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: have an ozone machine which removes odors. You can have 194 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: a fogger which they will use to shoot um stuff 195 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: into like air ducts to get rid of odors. Right, Well, 196 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: it'll um. It takes a chemical and kind of gets 197 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: it around corners and stuff. You get everywhere with it. 198 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: When you have when you run it through a fogger, 199 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: apparently you've got some enzyme solvents you want to kill bacteria, 200 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: and it can also liquefied dried blood, which can be 201 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: pretty nasty to get out once it's coagulated and dried, right, 202 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: which is why you want shovels. Apparently chuck after what 203 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: three hours two hours coagulates into kind of a jelly 204 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: like goo that you can shovel into bags. So gross 205 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: but very very thick bags biohazard bags. They also include 206 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: in this article putty knives to scrape brain matter from 207 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: the wall, because apparently brain when it dries becomes like cement, 208 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: and we'll stick to something like cement, which is really 209 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: gross and sad. You can also use um a steam 210 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: basically a steamer to steam it back into gooiness. Yeah. 211 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: And then my favorite thing, which is be the first 212 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: thing in my van, would be the no touch cleaning system. 213 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: And these are like big long scrubbing brushes, uh, heavy 214 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: duty sprayers, things like that, like pressure washers and no 215 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: touch cleaning system seems like the smartest cleaning system, yes 216 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. Then, like you said, you want some 217 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: carponry tools, probably ladders, stuff like that, and then a 218 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: camera because you need to take before and after pictures 219 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: for insurance, and you wouldn't think about that, right, And 220 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: actually Apparently most insurance covers this, right, Yeah, insurance covers 221 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: it a lot of times. Or if it's a homicide, 222 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: I think it's paid for by the state, by the 223 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: federal government really Crime Victory Victim Reparations Agency. Okay, and 224 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: I know the state agencies that do that too, So well, 225 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: we're getting aheir of ourselves. I don't mean to jump 226 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: the gun, but let's talk more about some of the scenes. Specifically, 227 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: we talked about meth labs, Chuck, one of the other 228 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: big ones that you'll be called out to. That makes 229 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: quite a message when a decomposing body is found, right, absolutely, 230 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: he had to call him de comps in the in 231 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: the trade. Uh, that's not gonna be like usually, it's 232 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: not gonna be some big nasty um blood sprays and 233 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: like brains and things. It's not gonna be all over 234 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: the place, but it can be pretty nasty because a 235 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: decomposing body, Josh, is really gross. Your body swells up, 236 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: um insects move into your body and take up residence. 237 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: Your organs are going to digest themselves, and your skin liquefies. Yeah, 238 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: remember we talked about um rigor mortis or no, I 239 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: think it was On the Body Farms episode, we talked 240 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: a lot about how decomposition works. So if you want 241 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: to know more about d COMP go listen to our 242 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: Body Farms, Um eppie right, Yeah, And of course there's 243 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: the smell. You can't talk about decomposition without the smell. No, 244 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: And as Julia Layton puts it, it would bring an 245 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: average person to his knees. Yeah, that's bad. Yes, apparently 246 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: it's ammonia. It's an ammonia based smell created by d 247 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: COMP like the litter box. Yeah, you ever cleaned out 248 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: of litter box? Sure, I have toxic plasmos is all 249 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: over the place, that's right. Um. The other thing too 250 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: with a d COMP is and this you know, you 251 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: don't think about these things when you hear about it 252 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: on the news. But someone actually has to go behind 253 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: after the body has been removed. There's probably liquefied parts 254 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: of the body there, and there's also maggots that have 255 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: already feasted and have the blood inside of them, and 256 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: you gotta get it. You gotta get rid of them too, 257 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: because they're carrying you know, disease maybe right, And so 258 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: you have to basically scour the place looking for maggots, 259 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: collect the maggots, and then you dispose of them through burning. Right, 260 00:14:39,960 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: tastes like burning. That's dcompey, that's D. Now let's get 261 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: down to the one that everybody's fascinated with that all 262 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: the movies are about. And those are murder scenes, suicide scenes, 263 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: accidental shootings, basically where somebody was shot it's specifically in 264 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: the head, I guess is the worst. I mean, you've 265 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: seen Full Metal Jacket, right, remember pile. Yeah, someone had 266 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: to clean that up. Somebody did. Yeah, I'll bet it 267 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: was a joker. Well, somebody in the art department for 268 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: the movie. But uh, yeah, a violent death is not 269 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: good because there's gonna be lots of blood. Especially suicides 270 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: they say are probably the worst for the blood. Yeah, 271 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: which is why I guess. I can't see shooting yourself 272 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: in the head at home. That's just so so much 273 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: of a problem. It's just a huge problem. At least 274 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: go to a hotel or a motel. And that Hunter 275 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: Thompson did, he shot himself in his basement while he's 276 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: on the phone with his wife. But I mean, I 277 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: think it's fine for him that he was on the 278 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: phone with her because apparently he'd let her know that 279 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: this was happening. This wasn't like she had no idea 280 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: that something like this was going to happen, but at home. 281 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: He did it at home, which I can understand wanting 282 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: to be at home. But yeah, I guess shooting yourself 283 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: in the head if you're going to why, I don't 284 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: see why you would do it at home. Yeah, I agree. Uh, 285 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: And like we said earlier, it has to be really 286 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: really clean. So any bodily fluid is a potential pathogen. 287 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: And not only that, but after you leave, if you 288 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: don't get it all up, it can lead to mold 289 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: and bacteria and cause people to get sick like months afterward. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 290 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: you have to, like you said, restore this place to 291 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: the state it was in before the trigger was pulled, right, Yeah, 292 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: And it can take up to, I mean a few 293 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: hours to up to like forty eight hours to do this. Yeah. 294 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: And apparently a good crime scene clean up company is 295 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: gonna charge you about six hundred bucks an hour. Yeah, 296 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: it ain't cheap um for one room with lots of 297 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: blood for a homicide or suicide, it's gonna cost you 298 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: between three and sixth grand I guess right. Yeah. One 299 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: of the reasons why it's so expensive is because these 300 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: people don't just take the stuff home and throw it 301 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: in their trash out front. Right. There are really specific 302 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: permits and rules that govern disposal of this which, by 303 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: the way, we should say the actual industry itself is 304 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: not regulated. Yeah, it's not nationally regulated. No, but they 305 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: generally follow Ocean's bloodborne pathogen standards, which requires training and 306 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: certification itself. Um. But to be a crime scene cleanup 307 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: technician that you don't there's no national certification or even 308 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: state or local certification. It's just company training. Yeah yeah, right, 309 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: and but I'm you know, we'll talk about the training 310 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: in a minute. But they obviously want to do a 311 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: good job because the last thing you want is I mean, 312 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: the turnover is already high enough, you know. Um. But 313 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: like we said, there is plenty of permits and um 314 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: standards and procedures to follow in disposing of this waste. Right. Yeah, 315 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: you can't just like you said, you can't throw in 316 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: the dumpster like they do in Sunshine cleaning. You have 317 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: to incenterate it. And there are medical waste incinerator companies 318 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: and uh, the one thing I thought they charged by 319 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: the pound, which I thought was kind of gross. But 320 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: how else are you going to do it? Because it's 321 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: a pound of nastiness. Yeah, And the other thing I 322 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: thought was kind of gross was they a lot of 323 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: them have minimum charges. So if you don't have the 324 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: minimum you have to keep this uh bio human bio 325 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: waste in your van, well, not in your van, but 326 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: if it's hot and in like a refrigerated space until 327 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: you have collect enough of it to go to the incinerator. 328 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: You know, I'll bet it's funny. I'll bet the same um, 329 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: the same companies that that operate medical waste incinerators also 330 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: just so happen to have some cold storage units that 331 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: you can put your waist in until you have enough 332 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: to burn. To be smart, but I'll bet it's I'll 333 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: bet if you're in the industry for a while, you're 334 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: friends with some guy who operates it, and you kick 335 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: them like fifty bucks to throw your stuff in with 336 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: somebody else's or whatever. But you better be incinerating it 337 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: following proper procedure else you're a horrible jerk, right, Yes, 338 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: And it's not just the goal where that has to 339 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: be disposed of. Um, If you have just deconstructed a 340 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: house that was a meth lab. You've got to do 341 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: something with this waste again. Can't just take it to 342 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: the dumpster you came and take it to a normal dump. 343 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 1: You have to take it to special dumps that are 344 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: um out of public reach, right right right? Um, and 345 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: just transporting it you have to have a special permit 346 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: for that, right, you have to have a has Met permit. Yeah, 347 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: my friend, uh, my friend Timmy has he works in 348 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: has Matt Disposal And now yeah you met Timmy. Now 349 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: he does a lot of um like trained derailments and 350 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: stuff like that. But he used to live in Oklahoma, 351 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: and in Oklahoma nothing but nothing but meth labs and 352 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: he had to do uh he didn't do crime scene cleanup, 353 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: but he he worked on teams that investigated sites, I think. 354 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: And he said that he saw bodies that had dirt 355 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: the body that they've shoveled dirt in their mouths and 356 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: would choke on it sometimes because apparently once whatever badness 357 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: happens and it becomes airborne, it's such a like awful 358 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: re action like that you're breathing in this in they 359 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: start just putting something in their mouth to try and 360 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: quell this nasty taste, so they would like stuff dirt 361 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: in their mouths until they died, not nasty. Said, that's horrible. 362 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: It's another reason not to cook or do meth. What 363 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: a mini um. So let's say you all this is 364 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and you're looking to earn no, 365 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, between thirty five and fifty grand without 366 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: a high school diploma. We should say, um, what what 367 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: do you need to do to become a crime scene 368 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: clean up technician? Well, we already talked about some of 369 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: the uh traits they look for in somebody, like to 370 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: be empathetic and maybe to have prior training with the 371 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: dead bodies and stuff like that. But they will actually 372 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: give you test um to make sure that you won't like, 373 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: throw up on the scene in front of a family. Yeah, 374 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: it's like monster's ball. Yeah, that would be awful to go. 375 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: Can you imagine losing a family member in your home 376 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: and then someone coming in to clean it and then 377 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: they start throwing up all over the place. Plus, if 378 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: you're the owner of the company, that's just extra work, 379 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: that's more clean up that you can't charge for, right, 380 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: So they will actually put you through a test to 381 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: pass a gross factor that um it ranges from like 382 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: looking at pictures of dead bodies to actually cleaning up 383 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: dead animals carcasses to make sure that you won't vomit. 384 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: And I wonder if they tell you that it's actual 385 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: like human stuff, but it's actually like a fox like 386 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: Halloween when you when you reach into the shape grapes 387 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: and their eyeballs. Yeah. Um, you also really really really 388 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: need to get a hepatitis B vaccine every five years. 389 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, as many letters as there 390 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: are types of hepatitis I would get a vaccine for 391 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: each of them, probably every month. Yeah, what do we 392 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: get heap A for Guatemala so we can still wouldn't 393 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: qualify huh. Um. Also, Chuck, even if you are a 394 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: very strong person, we like we said, the turnovers about 395 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: eight months on average, and you are um really at 396 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: risk for a couple of stress disorders UM, critical incident 397 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: stress syndrome and secondary traumatic stress disorder. Yeah, and basically 398 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: the first one is you were on site of like 399 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: horrific events routinely it's tough to shake off. And then 400 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: the other one is if you become too attached to 401 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: the families grief. You're you, you basically can leach off 402 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: of their post traumatic stress disorder and have secondary stress disorder, 403 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: secondary traumatic stress disorder. Yeah, they also obviously look for 404 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: people going in that don't have any sort of like 405 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: depressive disorders or things like that. That That probably wouldn't be 406 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: a good job to put someone who was manic depressive 407 00:22:44,760 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: to crimes and cleanup situation. It wouldn't chuck, not at all. Uh, 408 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: let's talk about the business a little bit. I think 409 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: you said six dollars an hour, but a room can, 410 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: like a bloody room can cost up to like three 411 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to get clean. I thought it was three 412 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: to six. Yeah, it's one to three. I misspoke. I'm sorry. Well, 413 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: it could be six depends on how many people were 414 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: killed in there. I mean, if it was a really 415 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: nasty scene, it could be six, I'm sure. And you 416 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: said also that the Crime Victim Reparation Act pays for 417 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: agency agency pays for um, the cleaning bill. If it's 418 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: a homicide, um, if it's I don't know if it's 419 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: a suicide, because I know that insurance generally doesn't cover 420 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: suicides for anything. But maybe if it's an accidental death 421 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 1: or something like that. Your homeowners insurance will cover it. 422 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: In most cases, you're not going to have to pay 423 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: the bill. Um. And we said also that marketing and 424 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: advertising can be tricky and touchy. Hotels and motels are 425 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: the two largest businesses that have to deal with this, yeah, 426 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: with suicide. So if you own a ctsdcon company, you 427 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: probably go to every hotel and motel convention there is, 428 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: which appropriately are held in hotels. Uh. And you hand 429 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: out cards, right, You hand out cards to homicide detectives, 430 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: You make friends with ambulance drivers. You just make sure 431 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: that everybody's going to contact these families first if they're asked. 432 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: You don't want to pimp in your card. But if 433 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: if the families like what are we gonna do about this, 434 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: that they can say, well, I know this guy is good. Yeah. 435 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: That's actually how it worked in Sunshine Cleaning. Really. Yes, 436 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: Amy Adams was a regular house cleaner making beans, and 437 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: her boyfriend was steve'son and he was a homicide detective. 438 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: Steven is great and he's awesome and he um. He 439 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: he told her like, you know, you can make a 440 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: lot more money by doing this, and he got her 441 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: her first job and first for roll In. It just 442 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: kind of grew from there. Um, it's a burgeoning business, 443 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: right Yeah. And apparently if you like to name your 444 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: business after yourself first and last name, this is the 445 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: this is the industry for you. This in waste disposal. Yeah, 446 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: what was the company from San Francisco in there? There 447 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: is um Neil Smithers crime Scene Cleaners, Inc. Right, And 448 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: and they have people they send out all over the country. Now, 449 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: but I think it said that they do about four 450 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: hundred cleanups in San Francisco alone each year. This is 451 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: two thousand six. That's more than one a day. That's 452 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: saying well, and here we reach to the debate, right, 453 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: the crime scene cleanup companies literally make money off of tragedy, right, 454 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,239 Speaker 1: horrific tragedy. And a lot of people argue like that 455 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: there's this kind of commercialization of death of tragedy, and 456 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: and that why are we so okay with this? Um? 457 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: And I can kind of see that maybe this is 458 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: something that should be a free service of a police department, 459 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: worked into the budget or something that a city does, right. Um, 460 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you can really make a 461 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: case like if you need someone like this, it's a 462 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: really good thing that they're around, whether it's a commercialization 463 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: of death or not, because before this it was up 464 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: to the family to do it right, or maybe some 465 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: friends of the family or something like that. But isn't 466 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: that just way way worse. I don't even cleaning up 467 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: your loved one's brains in your home. Yeah, that's obviously 468 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: way way worse. But like a private tot truck company 469 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: comes and gets a car after car accident, so that's 470 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: not taken care of by the police, so sort of 471 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: sort of the same thing. I definitely fall in the 472 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: line like, yeah, this is fine, this is perfectly acceptable capitalism. Yeah. Well, 473 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: and until it is covered by the police department, then 474 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: somebody's should be making money, and it should be top 475 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: dollar because it's no one to clean up brains and 476 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: bone out of drywall, you know, I know, And I 477 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 1: mean if you leave it to the city, can you 478 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: imagine the job a city worker would do. And well, 479 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: that's the other point, man. These people are paid good 480 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: money because they restore it to its original condition. And 481 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: you're right, I would not want to see employee doing it. 482 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: If you're a city employee who is good at your job. 483 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: We apologize in advance. It's the rest of the people 484 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: in your field that make it hard on you. UM. 485 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: And if you are a crime scene cleanup technician, we 486 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: want to hear from you. Uh. Send us an email 487 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: uh to the email address that I will give at 488 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: the end of the show because I got ahead of myself. 489 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about crime scene clean up, 490 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: go type that into our search bar. Crime scene is 491 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: crime hyphen scene clean up is clean hyphen up uh, 492 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: and we'll take you to this really really good article. UM. 493 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: And that means now, friends, that it's time for listener mail. 494 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: Jerry had a big problem with the hyphen thing, like 495 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: you were. You were out of the room getting some 496 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: coffee and I had to explain to the hyphens and 497 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: that you have capitalized the first one and you don't 498 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: capitalize the second. I can see that. And she said, 499 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: this is the most difficult title we've ever had, Is 500 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: it really? She said, she said, yes, Okay, she's tittering. Uh, Josh, 501 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: this is prison email Part two. We had part one? 502 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: Was it right before this one? Are we going to 503 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: split those up? Uh? We have to have the one 504 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: that we recorded go first, or else Who've got two 505 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 1: and then one Okay, so yeah, this came out on 506 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: this is Thursday. Right. That's more confusing than college football 507 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: rankings in quantum physics. Uh so this is the end 508 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: of the prisoners email the guy who was busted for 509 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: math and then went on the lamb and then went 510 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: to prison and is now an fine, upstanding citizen. We 511 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: will continue with this. Food items available from the commissary 512 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: like ramen noodles, can corn or chicken, and soda pop 513 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: were valuable for trade as well. Pack of ramen noodles 514 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: were often uses currency for bet on things like football games. 515 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: She was betting rama noodles on a football game. I 516 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: guess when you're in the whoscal, you're doing what you 517 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: can to, you know, make it just like the outside. 518 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: Or prizes and handball tournaments organized by enterprising inmates who 519 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: would often keep five as an entry fee for putting 520 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: the tournament together. Huh that crazy. I think it's crazy 521 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: that this guy wasn't in a minimum security federal prison 522 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: and he was still playing handball. Uh. There were two 523 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: escapes during the year that I was at the camp. 524 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: One person took a blanket and threw it over the 525 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: top of the barbed war fence. That was just regular Barbara, 526 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: he said, not razor wire, and he climbed over in 527 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: the middle of the night and that was pretty much 528 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: how he got out. Did they catch the guy? Uh? Yes, 529 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: both were caught. The second guy left his job at 530 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: the State and motor pool during the day, so I 531 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: guess he just got one of the cars and left, 532 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: which is pretty smart way to escape. It's a pretty 533 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: typical way to escape. Again. Well, that's actually what he says. 534 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: He stole a state vehicle and he said both were 535 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: caught in under forty eight hours. Shank, and here's just 536 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: some little points he makes. Shank is indeed both a 537 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: bourbon and noun, although shiv was much less common in usage. 538 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: Somebody said it was east coast, west coast, but another credibility, Well, 539 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: this is Nevada, so shank is what they said there. Uh. 540 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: In addition to the whole, the special housing unit was 541 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: known as the Shoe as an s h U, and 542 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: it was more frequently referred to as the shoe than 543 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: the whole. So we were sort of wrong in that one. 544 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,959 Speaker 1: And one of the more colorful terms that you can 545 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: here in prison was to keyster something. Yeah, and can 546 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: you imagine what that might be. Of course, I mean 547 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: to hide something in a very uncomfortable place. You're wrecked. 548 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: Um yeah, not like this stop watch? Did you not 549 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: know that you did? You get dysenterry from that when 550 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: you put a watch in your keystar or a wrist watch. 551 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: Sorry it wasn't a stop I got distant, teary little man. 552 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: Another term was man walking, which meant that action officer 553 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: was out in the yard walking around. So someone would 554 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: yell out man walking, and that was a cue to 555 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: hide any contraband or desist any activities like tattooing, which 556 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: was you didn't want the corrections guys to see tattooing 557 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 1: each other. They're heavy critics, exactly. I've already written much 558 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: more than I intended. Guys. I could go on for 559 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: much longer about many of the topics, including racism, which 560 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,959 Speaker 1: was extreme, the power structure, and what it was like 561 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: not having freedom even though I worked outside the camp 562 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: and mostly an unsupervised fashion. UH favored trading and so 563 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: on and so on. It's weird that I have so 564 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: much to write about, even though I was only in 565 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: total for about eighteen months, so it wasn't three years. 566 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: It was eighteen months. Totally ten months, man, can you imagine? 567 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god. So that's the end of part two 568 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: of the prison prisoner email. It's part two of two. 569 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,239 Speaker 1: Huh yep. And he's on the up and up now 570 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: and we wish him all the best. It sounds like 571 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: he's doing really good. Thank you, anonymous jail bird. We 572 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Who doesn't work here? Right? It is not 573 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: John Constructing. Okay, um, let's see if you have a 574 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: we already did this this well email thing right, crime 575 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: scene clean up? Just say the email address. Yeah, just 576 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: send your emails to Stuff podcast at how stuff works 577 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: dot com. For more on this and thousands of other topics, 578 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: visit how stuff works dot com. Want more how stuff works, 579 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: check out our blogs on the house stuff works dot 580 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: com home page.