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Speaker 1: Podcast starts. Now, what's up everybody? You are listening to

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Speaker 1: Stradio Lab and you're doing the right thing. Yeah, thank

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Speaker 1: you for taking care of yourself, thank you for supporting us.

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Speaker 1: Is self care, it's self love, it's self respect. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a more Christian form of self care because by

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Speaker 1: supporting someone else, you're supporting yourself. Yeah. And if you're

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Speaker 1: listening to this, so maybe de colonize and try supporting

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Speaker 1: a podcaster when you're looking for self care tips. Um, Sam,

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Speaker 1: we have to address the fact that we are, I

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Speaker 1: would say, on the brink of collapse. I think, and

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Speaker 1: I know you hate addressing things like this, but that's

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Speaker 1: why you have to do it. Okay, are not that

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Speaker 1: afraid to address the fact that we're on the brink,

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Speaker 1: but um, yeah, we are on the brink of collapse.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to sort of explain why we are

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Speaker 1: kind of in this We are kind of in this

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Speaker 1: week where we accidentally planned about a month's worth of

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Speaker 1: things in one week that we're all that we're doing together.

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Speaker 1: So we just had our your comedy festival show last night. Today,

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Speaker 1: I personally had a full day of work, and then

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Speaker 1: we are recording now and then have a ten pm

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Speaker 1: It is now eight pm on a Thursday. We have

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Speaker 1: a ten pm show that we're doing after this, a

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Speaker 1: coming back and leaving for Los Angeles tomorrow, where we

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Speaker 1: are doing two shows in a row and then three

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Speaker 1: take off of work. So I'm gonna have to wake

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Speaker 1: up at five am and do New York hours at

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Speaker 1: my job before each show and each reporting, and then

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Speaker 1: I'm coming back to New York City. And my mom

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Speaker 1: is arriving for Thanksgiving two days later and staying with me.

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Speaker 1: I thought the whole thing was that she was getting

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Speaker 1: a hotel. No, no, no, no, no. She lied about

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Speaker 1: wanting to stay in a hotel so she would manipulate

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Speaker 1: so what happened was she said, you know what, it's fine,

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Speaker 1: I can recommend, when she was like, how dare you?

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Speaker 1: And so now she's staying with me for almost a

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Speaker 1: full week. Wow, Well that's um insane. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: how do you how do you? How do you deal

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Speaker 1: with the pressure I actually, I actually don't know. I

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Speaker 1: given point, to be honest, and actually I think it

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Speaker 1: might happen at tonight's TMPM show. Yeah, at some point

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Speaker 1: I will run out of things to say and and

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Speaker 1: those viral videos where rather than comedian destroys Heckler, it

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Speaker 1: Our guest, who is not allowed to speak, says that

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Speaker 1: her apartment is empty during that time and it's very

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Speaker 1: mom friendly, and correctly then guesses that she would be

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Speaker 1: offended if I suggested that, Wow, would you ever? How

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Speaker 1: is your parents in your apartment? I've housed my um uncle,

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Speaker 1: I've housed my dad, but not for like two weeks

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Speaker 1: at a time. Like, how long is your mom here? No, No,

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Speaker 1: it's not two weeks. It's like, I mean, it's she's

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Speaker 1: she's staying with me for a few days, then my

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Speaker 1: It's very Greek mom kind of energy. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: at the risk of like truly running out of things

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Speaker 1: talk about. What, Okay, So we have never addressed the

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Speaker 1: fact that the other night, when we were with our

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Speaker 1: friend Max and walking in Williamsburg, someone from their stoop

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Speaker 1: this was we had an amazing night. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: and so our theories were like, either he owned the restaurant,

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Speaker 1: I think very instantly we were, you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: spin a narrative. I could feel, well, we tell ourselves

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Speaker 1: stories in order to we tell stories in order to live, um,

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Speaker 1: out there and you write that story. Yeah, like that

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Speaker 1: like maybe it's economic anxiety. Yeah. Yeah. We were like,

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Speaker 1: And then it was like no, I think he was

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Speaker 1: He was gay, so they wasn't a homophobic what do

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Speaker 1: you disagree? No, But it's now occurring to me that

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Speaker 1: the listeners are probably like, oh he was he sophmore

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Speaker 1: he was like yelling at them. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it was internalized homophobia. Well, I just think it's funny

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Speaker 1: again we're making assumptions about this man, like he you

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Speaker 1: an accent? He just had voice. I just heard voice.

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Speaker 1: I heard a beautiful He was very voicy. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was definitely sassy. There was definitely attitude there. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he was sassy and and and I guess anyone can

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Speaker 1: not on me. Maybe he identifies as queer but hasn't

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Speaker 1: bisexual but as a girlfriend. Maybe he's bisexual but has

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Speaker 1: a boyfriend who see, anything is possible. And again, I

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Speaker 1: mean we don't know anything about this man, and yet

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Speaker 1: we're desperate um to sort of make sense of what

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Speaker 1: that we think of ourselves as the main characters, and

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Speaker 1: we were like, who is this Rando telling us to

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Speaker 1: Girls when Hannah's at the beach with the sandwich moment,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, I'm going through a breakup. So you're saying

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Speaker 1: We're unwrapped. We're unwrapped. Are are the character's names? Are

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Speaker 1: gay guy one too? Literally? Yes? Exactly? Yeah. Wow. I

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Speaker 1: mean I just think that it's crazy, and it's hard,

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Speaker 1: that's okay. You're kind of rejecting every so you just

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Speaker 1: going places because I actually think he's kind of like, um,

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Speaker 1: but then years later there are gifts and people are

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Speaker 1: the Big Girls exactly. Wow. Well, I mean I should

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Speaker 1: further ado, Sam do the honors, please welcome to the pod.

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Speaker 1: Gia Tolentino. I think I'm known for also being stupid though, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: fact checking, Like I was speaking at Sarah Lawrence yesterday

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Speaker 1: who I dated for all of college. You didn't him

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Speaker 1: all of college? That is crazy, Sam, Like, like I

425
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Speaker 1: have lived with a man with the exception of maybe

426
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Speaker 1: nine months, in my entire life, more or less NonStop

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Speaker 1: since I was sixteen. Like that's when I that's what

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Speaker 1: I mean when I say I'm tragically straight, Like I've

429
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Speaker 1: lived with a man in my house like not just

430
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Speaker 1: like it like in my Like it's I really think

431
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Speaker 1: I should have not done that in college, but somehow

432
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Speaker 1: I did. Um and not like I had male roommates,

433
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Speaker 1: but this was like he was in my room for

434
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Speaker 1: three years. You know, I had no idea. Yeah, you

435
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Speaker 1: know what, so he started that group. What is the

436
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: name of it? I've been trying to remember it. The

437
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: Imperire group was called a moose Bush and didn't started

438
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Speaker 1: Oh Natasha, Oh I just saw her this. Oh she's

439
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Speaker 1: that's right, because I don't want to cast dispersions on

440
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Speaker 1: on this man who I truly truly loved, you know,

441
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Speaker 1: from ages seventeen to twenty or whatever. But I think

442
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Speaker 1: he started it because he kept not getting into the

443
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Speaker 1: weather Men, which is the group that all of my

444
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Speaker 1: roommates were in, and so between two worlds. In retrospect,

445
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Speaker 1: I was like at the lynchpin of what I now

446
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Speaker 1: also in retrospect recognized to be like quite a tense

447
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Speaker 1: domestic situation. I mean, the beef between a moose Bush

448
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: and the Weatherman was so strong. Was it really real?

449
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Speaker 1: Oh my god? It would be like you guys would

450
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: go to each other shows but pretend like pretend that

451
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: you were supportive, but also or would you just like

452
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Speaker 1: do a sort of what like? No, we would try.

453
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Speaker 1: We tried to, like, we tried to like work together.

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Speaker 1: We tried, like I remember like trying to like group

455
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Speaker 1: parties or something. Yeah, And it was always like I mean,

456
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: we were always interpreting them as like miffing us and

457
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Speaker 1: like thinking they're better than us because they were more popular.

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Speaker 1: Of course, but you guys are still going. I think

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Speaker 1: they are. I think they are. George, is this thrilling

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Speaker 1: for you hearing about u v A improv? Well, it's funny.

461
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Speaker 1: It's funny because it's funny because this has come up before.

462
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Speaker 1: I mean, it has come up when we had to

463
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Speaker 1: share on It's funny everyone from Sam's past. It's always

464
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Speaker 1: something like when we had Jeremy Harrison. Jeremy and Sam

465
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Speaker 1: went to high school together, and Jeremy bullied Sam in

466
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Speaker 1: high school and they had like a come to Jesus

467
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Speaker 1: moment where Jeremy, to his credit fully apologized to Sam

468
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Speaker 1: on air for bullying him in high school. It's really nice.

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Speaker 1: It was actually very sweet at that moment. I wish

470
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Speaker 1: I had bullied you so that I could if you

471
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Speaker 1: want to apologize for anything now I was trying to.

472
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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, what like minor slight can I

473
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Speaker 1: bring up and we can really get into and it's

474
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Speaker 1: like they're actually it's not really like it was. We

475
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Speaker 1: were kind of ships ships in the night. I feel.

476
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Speaker 1: I was also like you met me, I was like

477
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Speaker 1: so timid and quiet. Then I was like definitely, like

478
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Speaker 1: it's also such a straight school That's why I went there.

479
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Speaker 1: I was like, are getting a cute boyfriend will be

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Speaker 1: much higher here than in many of them? Yes. WELLA

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Speaker 1: was like, as long as there was no gaze there, Yeah,

482
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Speaker 1: I was so homophobic. I was like, I need to

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Speaker 1: minimize Yeah, and you still famously famous. Okay, geah. Because

484
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Speaker 1: we're like already getting kind of into the topic I

485
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Speaker 1: want to do. I want to get our little segment

486
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Speaker 1: out of the way, and then I want to dive

487
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Speaker 1: right in what we're here to talk as you have

488
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Speaker 1: a ten o'clock show to make, so I know I'm

489
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Speaker 1: literally gonna to get in an uber instantly after finishing.

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Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. Um.

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Speaker 1: They told us there was pizza there, so that's good

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Speaker 1: enough for me. It's going to be really good pizza. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. Um Okay. Our first segment is called Straight Shooters,

494
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Speaker 1: and in this segment, we test your familiarity with and

495
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Speaker 1: complicity and straight culture by asking you a series of

496
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Speaker 1: rapid fire, completely nonsensical questions where you have to pick

497
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Speaker 1: one thing or another thing. And the one rule is

498
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Speaker 1: you can't ask any follow up questions about how the

499
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Speaker 1: game works. And if you even dare to do so,

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Speaker 1: you will be kicked out of the zoom at one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it'll be Peace Corps style. Well well, yeah, yeah, put

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Speaker 1: your little teenager outfit on and get ready in. You

503
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Speaker 1: have to say that because you have to stop people

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Speaker 1: from immediately asking the question of like, yeah, well it's

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Speaker 1: now people have kind of caught on and no one

506
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Speaker 1: in the beginning, it was very much like part of

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Speaker 1: the joke was people kept asking questions and we kept

508
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Speaker 1: getting mad at them. Okay, I'm ready, I'm strapped in. Okay, great, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the Fall of Twitter or the rise of grou um,

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Speaker 1: the Rise of grew okay, gia, the New Yorker Radio

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Speaker 1: Hour or the One and Only Our Broker's Incredible Staying Power.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I like not to be just okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess I have to say the New Yorker Radio

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Speaker 1: Hour because I worked there. Um. Okay, Being above average

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Speaker 1: or watching below deck mhm, being above average okay, donating

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Speaker 1: to a cause or living for the applause, living for

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Speaker 1: the applause okay. Frankenstein's Monster or Frank and Brian's Third,

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Speaker 1: Frank and Bryan's Third Okay, get him to the Greek

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Speaker 1: or get her a tequila shot. It's sinco de mayo, bitch,

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Speaker 1: get her tequila shot at sinca to mayo, bitch. I

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Speaker 1: love that. Um figgy pudding or faggy posture. Um, I don't.

522
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Speaker 1: I feel like I can't or even part of a slurs.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say figgy pudding, okay, alright, Yeah, democracy is

524
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Speaker 1: on the ballot or the autocracy of Alison Romans Shallott.

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Speaker 1: The autocracy of Alison Roman Shallot. Wow, perfect, I mean

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Speaker 1: incredible tends across the b on desire like which I like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel given point, Yeah, yeah, I would much prefer

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Speaker 1: on Alison Romans Shallott rather than an election where democracy

529
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Speaker 1: is so tired of democracy. I know, I know, I

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Speaker 1: have to say, I really am we cannot talk about politics,

531
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Speaker 1: but I am having kind of a crisis where I

532
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: was always like, democracy is on the ballot, is such

533
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: as such bad messaging, like appealed to like a normal person.

534
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Speaker 1: But I'm wrong. It seems, I mean, based on these results,

535
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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I really thought I was like so

536
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: much smarter than everyone, And I was like, no, you can't,

537
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: like people don't care about like, you know, vague truisms

538
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: and and kind of like that kind of like theoretical

539
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: stuff like they want to know, like what's going on

540
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: with the economy, and then it turns out I was wrong,

541
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Speaker 1: you know what. My not to get into it, but

542
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: did you guys see that um I voted sticker. That's

543
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Speaker 1: like the monster, you know, like the Q the Ulster County.

544
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: So that's the county I vote in. And I got

545
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: three stickers, not to brag. Um and because my kid

546
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: went twice, like once with me and the once with

547
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Speaker 1: my partner, and so she got and then we were

548
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Speaker 1: like give that to me, um And and turn out

549
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: in Ulster County was was sky high. And so if

550
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Speaker 1: everyone had like a meme stock version of the I

551
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: voted sticker, I honestly think you would boost turn out

552
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Speaker 1: better than anything. You know that that's my idea. Any

553
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Speaker 1: political strategists are listening, Yeah, no, it is true that

554
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: they could do so much with the I voted sticker,

555
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: even just different kinds of party favors. Oh yeah, you

556
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: know they could kind of. I mean it could be

557
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Speaker 1: you know, sponsored by a brand, yeah, you know, lipstick

558
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Speaker 1: dot stops. You know what people have never thought of

559
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: is making the elections privatized and sponsored by brand. I

560
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: think that's actually a great idea. That's a really good idea.

561
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: You can get a little T shirt Southwest Circuit exactly.

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Speaker 1: I would love that. I mean it does feel like

563
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Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like you should get something for free.

564
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Speaker 1: Afterwards you do the sticker and and the pen. Okay,

565
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: but I don't get pen damn. But but se if

566
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Speaker 1: you make the sticker good enough, people will feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just saying like everyone needs to have

568
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Speaker 1: the dumbest possible sticker. Yes, like limited edition drops where

569
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Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you can only get this at

570
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Speaker 1: a specific voting booth. It's like the supreme metrom part.

571
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: That's how I felt. You know, you should get to

572
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Speaker 1: watch a trailer for a new movie that hasn't come

573
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Speaker 1: out yet. Completely agreed, because the demographic that's missing from

574
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Speaker 1: the polls is the film nerd demographic. All these movie

575
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Speaker 1: buffs are refusing to vote. It's what you just got,

576
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: like a piece of pizza that would be cool, the

577
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: college text, you knowing ever closer to our topic, even

578
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: just like a little kind of like thing of Dunkin

579
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Speaker 1: Donuts and you can get a get a little donut.

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Speaker 1: Holl Yeah, they like they have the big corporate little

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Speaker 1: caraft the cardboard and a little amazing lovely Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: one more thing. They need to step and repeat I

583
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Speaker 1: brilliantly brilliant imagine that giant spider had been a huge

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Speaker 1: step and repeat turnout. I just idea. It's a really

585
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: good idea because it's actually cheaper. First of all, it's reusable.

586
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: You just like, you know, roll up the carpet and

587
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: you can use it again. And then the background is,

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00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: of course of just a giant piece of paper. Go

589
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Speaker 1: to kinkoes there there. It is cheaper than actually getting

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00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of different things to give, and it probably

591
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: doesn't contravene any sort of like um whatever, FBC whatever. Yeah, yeah,

592
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: it's not partisan. All it will say is like election.

593
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I can't say, Sam, that is truly genius.

594
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: And everyone has a phone with a camera. You don't

595
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: need like a photographer. They were taking photos. Well they

596
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: should hire a photographer to be honest. Yeah, and it

597
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: should have the getty water otherwise, what's the point do

598
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Speaker 1: you guys take? Do you guys know about point five selfies?

599
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Do you guys take point five selfies. You know about

600
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Speaker 1: this or something. It's crazy. So I told you, Like

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Speaker 1: last night, I was with all these college students and

602
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: they were like all taking. They were like, let's take

603
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Speaker 1: point five selfies. And I was like, yeah, you know,

604
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: and I had no idea what they were doing. And

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00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: it's it's you turn your phone, they take it. But

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Speaker 1: it's front facing, so it's like not the typical like

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00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I take you know, we take selfies.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how old we all. It's like the

609
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Speaker 1: front camp, it's the back camp. It's like the yeah.

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Speaker 1: But but and then it goes on point five so

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Speaker 1: you look really tiny. Yes, yes, yes, I have seen this. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And they were like and I was like, oh is

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Speaker 1: this what? They were like, oh, we never take selfies

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Speaker 1: any other way, and I was like, whoa, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of fun. You kind of look like those Steve Madden

616
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: where it's like yeah, yea, and it is weirdly flattering

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00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: because it's so kind of um weirdly shape that you

618
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: don't actually see any of your actual features. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like fish well, it's it's a rejection of traditional

620
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Speaker 1: beauty standards exactly. It's a rejection of traditional beauty standards

621
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Speaker 1: and that way it's radical. Yeah okay, so fish so okay,

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Speaker 1: So we need a red carpet, a step in gen

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Speaker 1: z person to tell everyone how to take point five

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Speaker 1: selfies and over the group, right, yeah, exactly. UM, well,

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Speaker 1: I think we've saved democracy. I mean democracy is off

626
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Speaker 1: the ballot because we fixed democracy off the ballot because

627
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Speaker 1: at one UM, let's get into the topic. Actually, so

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Speaker 1: you know, backstory for those who weren't here before the

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Speaker 1: Zoom started the listeners. You know, we we brainstormed something

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Speaker 1: together that um, I think is actually pretty juicy. It's

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Speaker 1: a sorority and even Greek life. Yeah, it's one of

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Speaker 1: those topics that you think would be like one of

633
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Speaker 1: our first five episodes, but it just never came up,

634
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: and so we've never done it. You Know, something I

635
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: learned in my improv training at the University of Virginia

636
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: is that you don't always need to think of the

637
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: weirdest thing. You can just say what's the most obvious

638
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: thing and sort of run with that because people will

639
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: want to hear about that. Me and my roommates, um. Also,

640
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: we have matching rat tattoos on our butts, not our

641
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: buttholes on but because we had such a terrible rat

642
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: infestation at our at our home on Fourteenth Street that

643
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: um like, by the end of it, we were insane

644
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: and just all got matching tattoos. Actually the boys didn't though, um,

645
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: but the girls. I got matching tattoos with the girls.

646
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: That girls was based on the girls the HBO. But

647
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: we would always like like threatened to try out for

648
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: the weather, like the improv troup. We would always like

649
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: when it was time. We were always like, guys like,

650
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: we're coming in our roommates and be like ha ha,

651
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: Like we think you're really funny. You should, you know,

652
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: But we were like, no, we're gonna you know. And

653
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: they were so you know, like the fear of God

654
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: was in their eyes that they would have to just

655
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: acknowledge in a formal way that we were not like

656
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: funny the way that they were. Wow. But it's not

657
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: just that, it's that men are very afraid when women comin. Yeah,

658
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: A famous famous trope, Um, So you were in a sorority. Yeah,

659
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: I was in a I was in a sorority, um

660
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: which one if you don't mind me ask, it was

661
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: called pie Fi. It was, Oh my god, you were

662
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: a pie pie f we had we had pie fies

663
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: where I was. Really they were I went to Stanford

664
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: and they were pie fies. A big Greek scene there. No,

665
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: it's like a medium small Greek scene. I would say, um,

666
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: but it's it's definitely like, it's definitely. So I was

667
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: in the co op scene, which was like where all

668
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: the like queer people and hipsters were and we were

669
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: like cooking vegan food together and having like doing mushrooms

670
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: and like that was kind of the vibe. And then

671
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: the straight people who had like secret Republican parents were

672
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: all in the fraternity and strities. So pi Fi, I

673
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: feel like, was like one of the more republican ones.

674
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: Theta was kind of like normy but cool, try it

675
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: out was like lame, literally like literally like don't even

676
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: look at her. And then Kappa was um, all of

677
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: them turned out to be gay and probably I'm sure

678
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: they had. I mean I always think about if I was,

679
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: and I literally, I mean I'm not exaggerating when I

680
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: say always, Like I frequently, very very frequently think about

681
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: if I had been a woman like in prior to

682
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: the four hundreds, if I had been alive. I would

683
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: have absolutely tried to join a nunnery because it's the

684
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: only way that you could get through life without being

685
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: like just randomly impregnated every two years from sixteen to

686
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: thirty six, you know. And I'm like, I would have

687
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: joined a nunnery, and I and I probably would have

688
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: had tons of great sex with the other nuns, you know. Yeah,

689
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: and also you would have had like time to read

690
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: like they would. Yeah. I would have had access to

691
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: books in a way that I never would otherwise. But um,

692
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: they were a bunch at v A. I think there

693
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: were probably like thirty five total a stroorities and frats.

694
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 1: But like, okay, here is I haven't I honestly haven't

695
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: thought about in a really long time. HI fives were

696
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: like it was split between I would say, I mean

697
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: not like smart like wild Stoners, which was the group

698
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: that I wanted to be a lot like, and like

699
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: was like I I started rush as a joke, Like

700
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: I me and my best friend from e v A,

701
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: who's still really close, we were like, let's just rush

702
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: because we'll get invited to a bunch of parties, you know,

703
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: And we did it as a joke, and he dropped

704
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: out eventually, But but then I like got really obsessed

705
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: with a certain group of girls in Pie five and

706
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: then half we're kind of Bible beaty, um, you know,

707
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: like liberal Christians that wore corduroy kind of vibes. And

708
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: then the other cool ones were like Cappa Kappa and

709
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: Theta Theta's like Cappas were blonder, Theta's were coke ear.

710
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: I think, um, then there was tried l and everyone

711
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: and tried out was really hot. I think those were

712
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: the four or no, d G was the one that

713
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: everyone is really hot, and I think those are the

714
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: ones that you know. And I was like, I mean,

715
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: it's just this like totally gross, hierarchical like I was,

716
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't. I wasn't not cool in high school,

717
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: but I wasn't like the coolest person. And once it

718
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: was like, oh, these girls that this thing that everybody

719
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: perceives as it was purely just like a status, like

720
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, these extremely objectively universally right you know,

721
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: within the Greek scene recognized to be cool. Girls like

722
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: me like, then I have to do it. And then

723
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: I and then I instantly was like what have I done?

724
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: You know? And instantly started sending extremely um you know,

725
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: uh a ressive lee sarcastic emails being like, oh when

726
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: are we going to show up for the dick sucking contest?

727
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: Like you know, because like they were all of these

728
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: like like oh, like what's our theme for? You know,

729
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: it was so um, it was so stupid. It was

730
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: so stupid. So even in the moment, you weren't like

731
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: quite able to lose yourself in it. Oh no, no, no,

732
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: I never. I don't think I ever. I went to

733
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: maybe like four I mean I went to frat parties

734
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: first year, did you sam, because it's like the only

735
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: place that you can really drink as a first year

736
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: at u v a um. But then after that I

737
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: probably went to like four total. My my whole time.

738
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: They're like, I I don't know why I remained like

739
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: maybe for like it's sort of quickly morphed into I mean,

740
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: it also started as an anthropological interest, like kind of

741
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: like a proto journalistic like I would go through rush

742
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: and it's almost also like to see how well I

743
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: could bullshit. Like someone be like, oh, you know, where

744
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: are you from? And I'd be or like maybe like

745
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: I'm from Boston and be like, oh my God, I'm

746
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: from Boston, you know, and just see because Rush is

747
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: like this elaborately choreographed, Like it's like there's you know,

748
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: a hundred girls like planted in these exact spots that

749
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: are choreographed to look spontaneous. But and and then like

750
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: every two and a half minutes, like someone sets off

751
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: like an obscure sort of smoke signal, and then you rotate,

752
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: you know. So I knew that every conversation would only

753
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: last two and a half minutes, and so I would

754
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: just see how how successfully I could lie, you know.

755
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: And then but but then by the end, I was

756
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: like I was like desperate for the pipe flies to

757
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: like me, and then I joined. Wow. I feel like

758
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: a lot of colleges like that, where you're like, of course,

759
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: everything is sort official, all the different groups are like

760
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: fake and are going to be disbanded within the span

761
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: of like two to four years, and so part of

762
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: you is always like this is bullshit. But then there

763
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: is that part of you that's like, but I do

764
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: want community. What am I gonna do not have friends? Yeah?

765
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: I mean the way just college forces everyone to like

766
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: take everything really seriously for something like it's it's nice

767
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: that you have that we all went to colleges where

768
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: people take stuff too seriously for hire. Yeah. Yeah, Well

769
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: it's funny because I had the opposite. So when I

770
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: lived in one of these kind of like hip co ops.

771
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: At some point, these two straight guys came back from

772
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: being abroad and rather than being chosen like everyone else,

773
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: we had kind of like chosen each other to live together.

774
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: But they were kind of placed in that house because

775
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: that's where they were empty rooms. So suddenly this group

776
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: of us, of all these people that were like thought

777
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: of ourselves to be so cool and so hip and

778
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: like making our stir fries, suddenly there were two like

779
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: buff straight guys living there, and all of us were like, okay,

780
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: I feel insane. I'm kind of like I know, I mean,

781
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: they were just normal, Like it wasn't their faulty. They

782
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: didn't choose to live there. That just like was where

783
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: they were plays. They should have probably lived in like

784
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: a fraternity or something like, you know whatever. They were

785
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: like to like athletic, like they would like play you know,

786
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: like throw a football around in the backyard or whatever,

787
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: while all of us were you know, I don't know,

788
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: debating um, but but it was truly. Like I remember

789
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: like going up to like even having conversations with the

790
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: house manager, the r A and being like, well, this

791
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: simply won't do. What is our plan to get them out?

792
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: And did they stay? No? They were not. There was

793
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: no plan, but so they did stay. So they did

794
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: say yeah, sorry, oh I thought you said. Did they

795
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: say no? They did stay? Yeah, they stayed. Did you

796
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: have any sort of lovely sort of like you know, yeah,

797
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: it was there, a little narrative. Was there an arc? Yeah?

798
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I did kind of start to appreciate them, and to

799
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I also found them incredibly hot, right,

800
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm really I was like, I'm hoping that

801
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: like then you started sucking and then yeah, you did

802
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: describe them as muscular and you were sort of painting

803
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: a picture. And you know what else happened that really

804
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: changed my mind is that we had this like some

805
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, Halloween, part of your costume

806
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: party or something, and they both showed up in Togas

807
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, you're down to cloud

808
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: well you know, the my god, the fucking Greek system.

809
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: I I it like as much as I think it

810
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: should be completely just like you know, as a as

811
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: a methodology of sort of class matching, you know, like

812
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: like household wealth and rough attractiveness, conventional attractiveness. Like it

813
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: really just I feel like serves its function as just

814
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: this almost algorithmic like you know, there were so many

815
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: and and also like racist and racialized high ar oh. Yeah,

816
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: they were always trying to get me in the brochures,

817
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, no, thank you, you know,

818
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: like me and me and like the three other people

819
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: that weren't white. Um, but like there were a lot

820
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: of people from my sorority and my boyfriend's frat that

821
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: got married. Like it was like you know, it was

822
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: they were really kind of evenly matched in the whatever.

823
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: But um, but I met him because actually Drama he was.

824
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: I met him because he was dating a girl in

825
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: my sorority. Rama she broke up with him. So while

826
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 1: you were sending those sarcastic emails, you were also keeping

827
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: your eye out. Okay, I will say I only met

828
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: him once in college and I was like, you know,

829
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: he's cute, and then she broke up with him. And

830
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: then he was doing grad school in Houston, where I

831
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: was killing time before Peace Corps. I grew up in

832
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: Houston and they've broken up, like, you know, a year ago,

833
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: and I was like, hello, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, come

834
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: on never um, but there was a guy. There was

835
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: a guy in his frat who is spell bindingly attractive,

836
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: like he was. He was just I mean like I

837
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: would go speechless around him, and um and guys in

838
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: the fret. I know, it happened at least a few

839
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: times where it's like the guys would always be trying

840
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: to have threesomes with him, being like, bro, like she

841
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: really like she really wants to so like I guess

842
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: we have to. I guess we have to fuck or whatever,

843
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: you know. But it was like just this guy, you

844
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: know that they just really wanted a pretense to have

845
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: sex around, you know, And I was like it was

846
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: so but I was like I love that for you guys,

847
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we The obvious thing that we

848
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: need to talk about is um hazy and like the

849
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: homo eroticism of frat, specifically in in gay male culture

850
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: are so that is like porn topic one is like

851
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: frat hazing and I like, did not ever do frat?

852
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, I didn't do a frat in college.

853
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: It's like someone, what's the thing that you used to

854
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: spank with little brand. Yeah, there's lots of like asked stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

855
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: lots of dick and as stuff. It really is, yeah,

856
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: it really. But it was like I didn't rush a frat,

857
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: but I was like, well, wait, are they like hooking up?

858
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: Like are they like tugging on their dicks a little?

859
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? Well, and they kind of are

860
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: right behind there they are, and like that's the craziest part. Well, so,

861
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes it's through something like somebody is really

862
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: hot and they're like, we gotta have a three zimbra,

863
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, or like I had a really good friend

864
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: that was gay that was also in Andrew's fratt and

865
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't out through college, but he had a lot

866
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: of overt hookups that I think we're you know, both

867
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, demeaning in the context of them being you know,

868
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: ashamed of what they were doing, you know, and he

869
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: was in a strange place in his own coming out

870
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: journeys from the South whatever. But it also sounds incredibly hot,

871
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, like he would have those things where like

872
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: it would be four am, and you know, frat bros

873
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: are so handsy. You know, they are touching each other's

874
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: spots all the time, slapping each other on the dick

875
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: like they know, you know, a bathrooms like and but

876
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: like they're just all they're so I mean, I I

877
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: think about it, there's a there's a to some extent,

878
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean, this is too complex of a topic to

879
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: really uh, but the extent to which it's healthy versus unhealthy,

880
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: you know that that that these men have an outlet

881
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: for you know, it would be probably better if they

882
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: could recognize homorotic desire and like a normal part of

883
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, a part that doesn't have to be sort

884
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: of institutionally structured in the in the most like quote

885
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: unquote straight way. But I think often like my my partner,

886
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: he is still post I mean, he's like he's like

887
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: a I mean, he's pretty anomalous for a straight man.

888
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: I have, I gather the more the older I get.

889
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: But him and his the guys he's friends with from

890
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: his fat like, they talk on the phone about their

891
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: feelings pretty often still, you know, And I'm like, I'm

892
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: kind of I'm glad that this. You know that you're

893
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: stunted ass like at eighteen found a structure through which

894
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: that you would not through like through which you would

895
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: have these relationships that you would in your thirties be

896
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: getting on the phone being like like like how you

897
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: do in tray, like you know, like you know, and

898
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of straight guys don't do that,

899
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: And the frat it inculcated and almost like a girl

900
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: talk kind of relationship. Yeah. I mean, I think part

901
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: of what the point of like hazing rituals and these

902
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: more um and like the violence of it and everything

903
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: and getting drunk and doing drugs or whatever is that

904
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: it's like a way too. It's like the male way

905
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: to bond so that finally, after you've done all of that,

906
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: you can talk on the phone, right, right exactly, It's right,

907
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: It's I mean, there's I'm sure that they would all agree.

908
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: I will say also, sorority hazing was amazing because all

909
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: it was was people being like, you have to chug

910
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, this magnum of Boone's farm and here's like

911
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: a giant bag of weed. You know. Okay, that's crazy

912
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: that you say that, because I remember in college sorority

913
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: hazing the things I heard were insane. So I think

914
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: they actually do like the body stuff. Yeah, two things

915
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: I remember. One is that they had to I think

916
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: if anyone I went to college with his listening, then

917
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: sorry if this is wrong, but I think it was Kappa.

918
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: They had to crawl on their hands and knees from

919
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: one fraternity house to another as part of some and

920
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: I can't remember the details of like maybe they were

921
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: picking up something from each one or like there was

922
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: some kind but they were like crawling on their hands

923
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: and knees on the street from one house to the

924
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: other for some kind of like scavenger on. And then

925
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: the second thing, and I can't remember where this happened,

926
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: was that they would like the girls would wear underwear

927
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: and sit on top of like a washing machine and

928
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: they would circle whatever wherever they're fat like jiggle like

929
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: wherever they had. Isn't that insane? Yeah, I didn't realize

930
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: that actually still happened, Like I feel like that was

931
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I mean again, and I don't know if

932
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: this was like if at that point it didn't happen,

933
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: but it had happened in recent history, like I knew

934
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: people that had done it. Yeah, ours was just like

935
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: you had to shotgun too many beers, like it was.

936
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: It was such a lovely, lovely thing. Oh, I just

937
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: remember there is um, there was a hazing ritual in

938
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's frat that I I love. I'm trying to

939
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: think if I remembering it right. But so there, everyone

940
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: has to get in their underwear and then they kind

941
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: of walk in a single file line back and forth

942
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: like this and just have to go quack quack, quack,

943
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: quack quack, and they get pelted with eggs, and when

944
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: an egg hits them, they have to go ding and

945
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: reverse directions. To me, that sounds really funny. Yeah, I

946
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: mean that's playful. That doesn't sound that bad. Yeah, I

947
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: think I'm trying to think, Like, it's also about the tone,

948
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: like the tone of who I was leading the hazing.

949
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: If they were like had a warm tone to them,

950
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: I would be totally okay quacking like a duck and

951
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: getting pelted with eggs. If it was like, you know,

952
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: fuck you get on your knees frost, I would be

953
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: like no, Like I couldn't handle that. It's all about

954
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: how that's delivered for me. Yeah. I had my one

955
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: of my really good friends from high school, he dropped

956
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: out of the rush process at University of Texas which

957
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: is way more intense, because I think it was like

958
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: it was like k A or something, which is a

959
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: really intense frat, and I think they had to just

960
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: punch each other in the face as hard as they could,

961
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: and I was just like what the fuck? You know,

962
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: Like like there was a lot of the uv A stuff.

963
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: Some of it was really disgusting, Like there was some

964
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: broken glass stuff. There was one frat that um, oh

965
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: my god speed. It was like the really druggy one. UM.

966
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 1: I think it was you had to do a bunch

967
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: of coke, then get in a coffin and then they

968
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: would put the coffin under the under the in the basement.

969
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: They'd have a party over you. It's crazy. That's crazy,

970
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: and your heart just would be like you that is terrifying.

971
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: I know. But some of the UVA stuff was crazy,

972
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: but some of it it wasn't. It wasn't as like

973
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: in the deep deep South. It's just I mean, it's

974
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: it's like snuff film territory. Yeah, I yeah, UVA was weird.

975
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: Are you from Virginia? Sam? I lived in Virginia like

976
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: my last two years of high school. But it was

977
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: like even just like the war between the like g

978
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: d ies like the independence. I do think they still say.

979
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: I don't think they said that. I talked to someone

980
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: that was in law school at uv A recently the

981
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: just graduated and was like, Foxfield isn't cool anymore, which

982
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: is also great news, Like there was everyone would get

983
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: dressed up and go to the horse races and like,

984
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: where hats this South is so crazy? Also we go

985
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: to when I when I started school there, and humiliatingly,

986
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: this was one of the things I was attracted to,

987
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: like very straight culture, Like you would go to football games.

988
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: It was the thing was called guys and ties, girls

989
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: and pearls, Oh my god, and then they would yell

990
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: not gay during the fights. Someone Yeah, maybe it was awful,

991
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: Like I mean, it was only because I had come

992
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: from a place that was so much worse that Like,

993
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: to me, UVA at the time seemed like liberal paradise.

994
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: And then you know, thirty seconds after I left, or

995
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: no long before that, I was like, you know, this

996
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: place is insane, but but people don't do that anymore.

997
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: It felt like liberal paradise to me too when I

998
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: got there, Like I was very much like okay, like

999
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: like it's like, well, of course, they're gonna say not gay,

1000
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: like but there's still you know, they're good guys, like like, yeah,

1001
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: it's bad to be gay, they're gonna say not gay,

1002
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: but like they're gonna be nice. Where you were you

1003
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: out in college? I you know, I described it as

1004
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: one ft in one ft out. I was like, um,

1005
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: like I came out to my friends like second year,

1006
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: but like I was always like weird about it, Like

1007
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: it was like almost like half secretive or something, even

1008
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: though it wasn't like I wasn't like people would could

1009
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: talk about it or whatever, but I would, like My

1010
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: example is like when I was in the Spanish class,

1011
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: I would say no Va, not no Vo. You know.

1012
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: So it was kind of embarrassing to look back on.

1013
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: It's one of my big regrets is that I should

1014
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: have been more out. I don't know, it wasn't the easiest.

1015
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean the extent to which stuff has changed in

1016
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: the last decade, specifically there, but you know, obviously everywhere,

1017
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: but specifically, I mean, it was still like I feel

1018
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: like it was still two thousand two until until the

1019
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: until the Rolling Stone story came out and then suddenly

1020
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: everyone was like, we gotta overhaul all this ship you know,

1021
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: but it really was like very like you know, just

1022
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: like I remember there was a guy in my scholars

1023
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: a class who um wore a ribbon belt when he

1024
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: went jogging, and I was just always like I fucking

1025
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: want to murder you, you know, like he just but

1026
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 1: it was just that it was really like two thousand

1027
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: two vibes for me, like very like Lagunda Beach, Like

1028
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was very Laguna Beach. It's also

1029
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 1: like flat iron hair and like, you know, I'm remembering

1030
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: a story someone in my ear and maybe this is

1031
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: boring someone in my ear who was like frat he'sing

1032
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: literally kidnapped. Somebody found someone on the street and like

1033
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 1: snatched them up, put them in a van and drove off.

1034
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: Well there was I mean, there were there were facts

1035
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: that got kicked off campus because of the fund up

1036
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: hazing ship they did. Like there were um there was

1037
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: one fraught that used to um kidnap people basically think

1038
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: we're probably thinking of the same one. And I think

1039
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: they would just be in their underwear and it was

1040
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: during the middle of winter because Russia at v A

1041
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: was in January, and they would drop them off on

1042
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: Route twenty nine and um with nothing. Wait, kidnapped the

1043
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: people that were like about that, we're being recruited. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1044
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: like it was you know it was I think they

1045
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: probably knew that this, had probably heard that this was coming.

1046
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: But they would pick them up in their underwear, bring them,

1047
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: you know, ten miles out, no phone, no anything. They'd

1048
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 1: be like have fun getting back, you know, like it's

1049
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it is, so it is really funny, like

1050
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: how how pathological, how much profound harm like straight men

1051
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: have to cause to each other to get to the

1052
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: point where they can talk on the phone. But that's

1053
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: the thing. But it but it really is. It's like

1054
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: they have to do that. It's almost like the ends

1055
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: justified the means for them. You're like, well, these are

1056
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: life and what are we what were we going to do?

1057
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: Like get a drink? I don't think I think they

1058
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: do that? Now do you think, like, like aren't there

1059
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 1: like tender tender bros, tender straight bros? Now? Yeah? Wait,

1060
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to actually say this is like I was

1061
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: talking about this today. So I feel like I feel

1062
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: like because of of a very well intentioned reaction against

1063
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: toxic masculinity, I now I am like a little unaware

1064
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: about what men actually want. Yeah, do you know what

1065
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean? Like because it's I was thinking about this

1066
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: today where I was like, who is the equivalent even

1067
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: just in terms of like a random average Joe straight guy.

1068
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: What what does he even find a track? I feel

1069
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: like I genuinely don't know because I'm like even the

1070
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: like Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue has like Elon Musk's mom

1071
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: on the cover, did it really yea? And it was like,

1072
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's so which is great. I mean I'm

1073
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: not it's obviously like it's everything is moving, But I'm

1074
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: but I'm just just like scientifically or like anthropologically, I'm like,

1075
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: I now fundamentally don't understand straight men. Even I understand

1076
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: them even less than I did in like two thousand two,

1077
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: or at least it was a lot in the open.

1078
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you like bud light and fetishizing twins? Right, well,

1079
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: I think I still think there's probably sort of like

1080
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: a regression to the meme that you could conjure right now,

1081
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: Like it's probably like you know, like what goes through

1082
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: a lot of sports media on their phone has listened

1083
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: to Joe Rogan to tie him like loves a like

1084
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: kind of Instagram model looking girl, you know, um like

1085
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: still watches football on the weekends, um kind of thing

1086
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: like probably is into crypto, you know that kind of thing. Like.

1087
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: But I so my brother, who was straight, I recently

1088
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: was asking him. I was in the Philippines. I recently

1089
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: spent more time with my brother than I basically have

1090
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: since I was sixteen years old, because we've never lived

1091
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: in the same place, and we were in the Philippines

1092
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: for almost two weeks because my grandma turned a hundred,

1093
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: which is an iconic occasion to make you know, this

1094
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: incredibly long trek with my two year old. But I

1095
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: was asking I was with a bunch of cousins that

1096
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: I haven't also haven't seen in a long time, So

1097
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: I was asking every I was like also drunk, and

1098
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm asking everyone what they're what they're shame type? Is

1099
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: do you? I do you guys know that this concept?

1100
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know the genre of human that

1101
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: you're most consistently attracted to despite knowing that you should

1102
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: be ashamed of yourself? Oh, which is a which I

1103
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: think is a really interesting like it really tells you

1104
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: a lot about a person. And and everyone's answers are

1105
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 1: very interesting because it's either usually it's most always someone

1106
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: that they don't respect or someone that doesn't respect them,

1107
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: Like it's um like those all of these issues are

1108
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: really intertwined. But I found out at that point, like

1109
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to blow. I mean, there's no way

1110
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: my brother or his ex girlfriend listens to this podcast. Um.

1111
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: He was like like he was like toxic latina that's

1112
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: really into her own booty. And I was like, you're

1113
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: describing your ex girlfriend and I was like your I

1114
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: was like, your shame type is like, um, you know

1115
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: e d M festival, like bikini boots with the fur,

1116
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, glitter here girl. And then

1117
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: he showed me a picture of his ex girlfriend like

1118
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: dressed exactly like that, you know, and like like stand

1119
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: x with cutouts and like you know, like leading him

1120
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: towards like the festival gates, right, And I was like, Oh,

1121
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: you're this kind of straight guy, you know, Like I

1122
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: knew he liked girls that worked out, but I was like,

1123
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: you're like really into like hyper fit women in a

1124
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: way that I was like this is like I was like,

1125
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: this is a new um anyway, but it was so

1126
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: what are your shame types. Oh god, George, you go first.

1127
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: We always well, you know Sam, Sam really doesn't have

1128
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: a lot of shame when it comes to sex. Well,

1129
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: I have less, but I feel like it's been a

1130
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: learning process. Well not necessarily sex, like just attraction, like

1131
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: a desire to get them to like yeah you know, yeah, yeah.

1132
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: Mine is always like a little bit older and like meteor,

1133
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: like I like like a like a coach. I'm always

1134
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: looking for coach. But do you feel would you say

1135
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: that's the most shameful of the sort of consistent attractions.

1136
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: I think it's like kind of maybe even the more

1137
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: shameful version of that is just like like plane, Like

1138
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: that's like porny, like a coach is porny. But like

1139
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: when it's just like I like a plane, Like honestly, okay,

1140
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: here's it. Like a frat guy ten years after, like

1141
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: that is so hot to me and they're just like

1142
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: wearing a button down and I'm like, god damn it,

1143
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: right there only physical activities playing golf once every two

1144
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: months kind of yeah, yeah, really so funny. That's a

1145
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: good one. That's a really good later. It's amazing. I

1146
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: feel like mine is maybe like okay, it's it's funny

1147
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: that you said, like it's either what you don't respect

1148
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: or someone who doesn't respect you. I feel like for me,

1149
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: it's someone I don't respect and specifically kind of like

1150
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: it's specifically kind of like a really like trend chasing

1151
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: fashion gay love it like where I'm like, I don't

1152
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: I fundamentally hate everything you stand for, but I so

1153
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: desperately like don't want you to look at to like dismiss. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

1154
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: that's really good. That's really good. Like one of my yeah,

1155
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: one of my one of my friends is second funniest

1156
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: guy on the boat. Wo. Wow, that's rough, but I

1157
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: see it. I can yeah, I can get into that. Like.

1158
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: Another one of my friends is like old sad punk.

1159
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: Another one of my friends is potato men, like just

1160
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: men that look like potatoes. Another one is friendly security guard. Mine,

1161
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: what's yours? Mine is l a music industry coke head

1162
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: that's like like my boyfriends is lesbians who hate him. Oh.

1163
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: Another one of mine is bartenders. Oh yeah yeah. Bartender

1164
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: comes up often like like yeah, like angry sort of

1165
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: like that that fucking couldn't care if you lived or

1166
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: died like that, you know, to bring it back to

1167
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: frats actually, So we were talking about how part of

1168
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: the excitement of, you know, being gay in a fraternity

1169
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: environment is the illicit nature of it. So I at

1170
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: some point was told there was a frat when I

1171
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: was in college that was actually very inclusive and was

1172
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: known for being like gay, and I like wanted to

1173
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: check it out and whatever, and I remember being like,

1174
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: wait this, why would I do that? Like at that point,

1175
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: like this takes any of the fun out of it,

1176
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: and I might as well just live in a mixed

1177
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: gender house with like all my girlfriends and all my

1178
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: guy friends, like what like which is kind of sad

1179
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: to be, Like wait, so everyone here is gay, feel

1180
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: safe and is happy, and I'm like, absolutely no, I

1181
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: totally get that. Like I I that was one of

1182
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: the reasons that I have always had a pretty I mean,

1183
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: like maybe I'm a little closer to girls on the

1184
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: aggregate over the sum total of my life, but I've

1185
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: always had a really sort of mixed gender like close

1186
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: friend group. And I lived with guys throughout college, like

1187
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: guys who are my friends? And I was like, I

1188
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: don't want to fucking live in a room with thirty

1189
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: five women, are you kidding me, And it wasn't from

1190
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it is built in misogyny, although there

1191
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: is probably some built in misogyny about why I looked

1192
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: down on girls who were more, um, who were more

1193
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: who were less ashamed than I was about craving hot

1194
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: straight mail attention. Like I was like, I'm going to

1195
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: do it, but I'm gonna like pretend I'm here for

1196
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: something else or whatever, you know. The structure, Yeah, Like

1197
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm doing it ironically, but there was

1198
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: something about the structure of it was like, you know,

1199
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: like tonight is our date function with like this a ferret,

1200
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: you know. And I was just like, it's so humiliating

1201
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: to do this. But I went to UV because I

1202
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: wanted to date hot guys and but there was something

1203
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: about the blatant, the blatant nous of it. But there

1204
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: but I was like the whole point of college to

1205
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: me coming out of this like really repressive religious environment

1206
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: um in throughout my entire rest of my life, was

1207
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: like you can finally live the way that I feel

1208
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: like humans are intended to, which is in like kind

1209
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: of diverse housing environments. You know. The whole the point,

1210
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: the part of it where it's like I'm gonna live

1211
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: with people that are all exactly like me, like in

1212
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: this extremely narrow way felt really opposite to what the

1213
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: whole point of, like the fun is like living with

1214
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: people and the kind of mess of the messier nature

1215
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: of living with people that are different sexualities and different genders.

1216
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: Like it seemed like that was like, that's what I

1217
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: wanted out of college and then to be dating at

1218
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: keut straight guy. Yeah. I mean when I was living

1219
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: with men and women, I was like, this isn't your

1220
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: parents college. I was like, I guess I'm crazy. Like

1221
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: my roommate he's a guy. Yeah, I had women roommates

1222
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: for all of except for like freshman year when I

1223
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: was placed with someone. But yeah, I have to say

1224
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: very powerful. I mean to have like gay guys straight

1225
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: girl roommate dynamic the most one of the most powerful.

1226
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: Do you know? I was thinking, So I'm like now,

1227
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean when we go to like a gay vacation destination,

1228
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: it's like all these years later we're recreating. We're literally

1229
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: in a house of men on Fire Island. It's a

1230
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: ft recreating the frat experience but doing but being intentionally.

1231
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: It's like we're literally like wearing jock straps and like

1232
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: working out and like like doing drugs, and it's like

1233
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: it's truly and honestly and I'll say it hazing and

1234
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: literally hazing each other. We're making ech other walk on

1235
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: broke glass and yeah, pelting each other with eggs. No,

1236
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: are aggressively making tacos. Yeah, it's cleaning the kitchen. It's

1237
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: are hazing. Um wow, all right, I mean should we

1238
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: do our final segment? I think so? Any final thoughts

1239
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: on Greek life stories fraternity? Now I'm trying of the

1240
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: straightest and the gayest thing that I experienced. Um, but

1241
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: it's but as we as we maybe descis don't remember

1242
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: it was before you know, we started rolling, But I

1243
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: think it all is like it really is like the

1244
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: straightest and the gayest, Like there's nothing straighter and there's

1245
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: nothing gayer than a frat. Like I think we've I

1246
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: think we've included that for science. Yeah. Yeah, And I

1247
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: just want to say, for the record, I hooked up

1248
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: with one closet frat guy fun which which one was

1249
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: the end? You can beleiep it, but I want to know,

1250
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: Oh god, okay, we can believe it huh. I don't

1251
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: remember his last name. Was he in that like the

1252
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: good guy frat? Yeah? I think he was, do you know,

1253
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: but I just I'm like reading type, you know what

1254
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I'm guessing. Yeah, yeah, it was like

1255
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: very much. I found him literally on the internet. Was

1256
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: he like a you guy? Like? Was he like a

1257
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: really involved person? He? Oh, he was a you guy.

1258
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: I knew it. I know you Sam. This maybe the

1259
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: first time we're actually talking, but I fucking know you. Well,

1260
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Speaker 1: I love I mean, that's crazy, I feel so seen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: um huge, Well I think we should our final segment. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's here's something I think last thing, I'll say, I

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01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: think more girls and sororities should fuck. I think there's

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01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: a lot of like performative making out maybe, but I

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01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: really wish I wonder now now that like a lot

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01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: of you know, like in the last thing. Do you

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01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: think now they are? Yeah, Like I think they must be.

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01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: And I'm excited for them and sad that I did

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01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: not expand my sexuality in that and maybe I would

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01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: have gotten into the whole thing more, you know. Yeah,

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01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: Well it's not too late. It's not too late. Oh

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01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: it's yeah, yeah, go back to college join another. Well,

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01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: the thing I was thinking, the thing that I love

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01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: about New York honestly, like is that it's never too

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01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: late for anything. Like I was like, this is why

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01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: I can never leave, because it's literally never too late

1277
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: for literally anything, any weird life just not to say

1278
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: that hooking up with like any unexpected life decision that

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01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: you could ever make in your life, Like you could

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01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: do it when you're seven year people like tight, yeah

1281
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: you can really And again this is not about sextuality,

1282
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: but you can really relive your adolescence whenever you as

1283
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: long as you're kind of well dressed, no one will

1284
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: really bat not Like. This is why I was like, oh,

1285
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: like I have to if I have a child, Like

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01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: I have to stay in New York because this is

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01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: where I can, like I don't have to like get serious,

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01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, like nobody nobody gets serious here. Yeah you're like,

1289
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: I have a child, but it doesn't defind Yeah, Um, well, okay,

1290
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: we have to do it because I have to get

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01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: in an uber to the damn Bellhouse. This is going

1292
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: to be insane. I cannot believe we're about to be

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01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: on a stage all, is it, y'all? Is it like

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01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: your show. You're like the it's not a show, which

1295
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: almost makes it more not more stressful, but we're not

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01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: in control of it. But we're like both guests on

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01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: on someone and we like don't really know. I don't

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: even really know the format, Like I haven't done this

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01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: show in a wild so I'm like a little bit nervous.

1300
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: I might just like have a little tequila shot and

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01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: like yeah, I'm gonna need that. Um. Okay, So our

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01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,839
Speaker 1: final steing this is called shout outs, and in homage

1303
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: to the Grand Straight tradition, we give a radio shout out.

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01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 1: Imagine it's two thousand one and you're in TRL shouting

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01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: at your squad back home, but about anything that you enjoy. George,

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01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: do you bite have one? Okay? I have? Um? How's

1307
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: it going? Nighttime listeners? Everyone is putting on their skin

1308
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: care routines and getting ready for bed while we get

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01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: ready for our show. I want to give a quick

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Speaker 1: shout out to getting a virgin bloody mary at brunch.

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01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: That's right. Sometimes you want the taste of bloody mary

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01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: and you don't want the alcohol. And on top of that,

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01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: sometimes you're actually hungover as you are a brunch and

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01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: it is delicious. It is good for digestion, I heard,

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01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: and it gives you something to drink that isn't orange

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01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: juice or coffee. And also everyone will think you're it's

1317
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: a huge sleigh to order something that other people haven't considered,

1318
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: and you will notice. And I promise you this that

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01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: if you do this, everyone else in the table will

1320
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, make that, Make that three,

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01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: make that four, and then suddenly everyone will be having

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01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: a virgin, bloody Mary. It will be the best morning

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01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: of your life. Chairs George. I love when you like

1324
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: have like little tips for like how to have power

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01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: at the brunch table. Yeah, it's really nice. I mean

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Speaker 1: I understand that Sam. Obviously you were, you know, almost

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01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: spitting at me, that's how disapproving you were. However, I

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01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: would say that, you know, yes, sometimes you want to

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01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: drink a brunch, but sometimes you don't. Actually never want

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01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: to drink a bunch. I never want to drink a brunch.

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01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: I think this is genius. I think it's really like

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01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: a brunch of the perfect place for a mock tail

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01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: of any sort. I literally, I literally have not wanted

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01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: to drink before noon since I was I don't know, ever, like,

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Speaker 1: I just gives me no joy. Yeah No, it's pie

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01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: five Yeah yeah? Like what is this ago? That's terrifying? Wow?

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01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: Um okay, I'll go. What's up everybody around the globe.

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Speaker 1: I just want to give a huge shout out to

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Speaker 1: apple based desserts. I have been um getting into desserts recently.

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01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: I've been deciding to stop being so stoic and stop

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: being so against things that are pleasurable and just for fun.

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01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: And so I am eating desserts sometimes, and I think

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01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: one fruit based desserts are the best. It's weird to

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01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: me that we don't explore more of them. I'm watching

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01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: the Great British Bake Off. I'm normal now and there

1346
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: are so many fruit based desserts and I'm like, that's

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01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: not my stores. That's never been mentioned to me. And

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Speaker 1: I don't want chocolate, I don't want vanilla. Give me orange,

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01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: give me lime. And so I want to say apple

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01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: based desserts. They're American, They're here, we have them in

1351
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: our stores, and they are delicious, and they are fall.

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01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: They're humnall and it's autumn, baby, and I love them.

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01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: XO xo Sam who I love fruit baste dessert can I, okay,

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01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: have you ever made a blood orange olive oil cake? Yes,

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: I know exactly. I love that. I love that one.

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01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: That's a really good, like wintry one, I feel. And

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01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: then there's also a Smitten Kitchen recipe for like a

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01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: an apple cake that has like the fat is like

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01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: Greek yogurt and it's like super super moist. You can

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01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: have it for breakfast, you have it for late night

1361
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: like it's a really you have it like two pm

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01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: with a little coffee like I love love and a

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01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: fruit of fruit dessert yogurt based on olive oil based

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: the best are easily my favorite genre of desserts. Yeah,

1365
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: so I need to I need really need to expand

1366
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: my palate. I'm I'm listening and I'm learning. I'm gonna

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01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: send you. I think that the blood orange one maybe

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01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: is food fifty two. There's another one this is not fruit,

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: but there's a olive oil's zuchuini bread that stay moist

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: for so long. You know, it's just really it's really nice. Also,

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Speaker 1: I feel like an underrated thing is like I made

1372
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: like a pair of marsk capone kind of like tard

1373
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: stitch and like for my last friend friends giving type

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: thing and it was it was a hit. Just saying

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01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: it was a hit, Wow, Well there you have it.

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01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: I would shout out, yeah, go for it. Um, what up, ladies,

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 1: shout out to all my Pie five girls. Um, you

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01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: know what do they call is Burgundy and blue Angels? Um.

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01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: I just want to say a huge shout out to

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01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: Mattie Healy from the nineteen five because his show at

1381
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: MSG on Monday was so crazy. We'd say you were there,

1382
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: and it was like in between the like they played

1383
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: the first album and then he did like what he

1384
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: called like black film musical theater in between and the

1385
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: first half I hated it because I was like, this

1386
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: is giving pratt student sophomore year final project. But then

1387
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: he started eating a raw steak and then I was like,

1388
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: it's giving Pratt's student second year final project in a

1389
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: good way. And then I was so horny And the

1390
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: rest of the show is amazing. Shout him at the

1391
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: shout out And honestly, I do think he fits into

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01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: your shame type of for sure. Yeah. Oh my god,

1393
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: he's just ripping cigarettes on stage. I was like, it's

1394
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: so cool, because like, damn, it's cool. Wow when someone

1395
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: just is cool. You have to respect it. Yeah, Gia,

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01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Alex Turner from Arctic Monkeys? Yeah,

1397
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: of course I think he's hot, you know, I mean

1398
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: that one that he's good at playing music, while I

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01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: mean he I think is hot just objectively, but like

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01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: I think that anyone, like anyone, literally anyone, if they

1401
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: are playing music on stage and they are doing it well,

1402
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: they're the most attractive person in the world, you know

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: what I mean? I agree that, Gia. Thank you so

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: much for doing this podcast. We really appreciate an absolute

1405
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: honor to you. We were so stressed out and we

1406
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: were really looking forward to this in pretation. Now, I

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01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: bet you're so stress. Oh god, I hope this is

1408
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: like fine, we have so much No, we were. We

1409
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: were hanging out with people last night after the show,

1410
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: going guess who's on tomorrow? I won't believe who's Um.

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01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: I hope you guys rip at the Bellhouse. Have that

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01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: tequila shot. Good, good luck with the flight. Gett a

1413
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: virgin bloody Mary on the flight. Everyone will be like

1414
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: slight me like flight attendants are just like exhausted by

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01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: the end. They're not um. Wow, Well I guess this

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Speaker 1: is man. Bye. Guys fine,