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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. And here we are inside the s
Speaker 1: WBC podcast studio at the Star in Frisco. It's sunny outside,
Speaker 1: not so sun. Although Mickey has a smile on his face,
Speaker 1: Everson Everson is not a happy camper as he walked
Speaker 1: in the studio. And we're here to break it all
Speaker 1: down over the course of the next forty five minutes
Speaker 1: on Mick Shots, I was smiling, wondering how you were
Speaker 1: going to start this off since you didn't have any
Speaker 1: musical starting to thee there's no music. The band has gone.
Speaker 1: Music has died. Although as you can see, I refuse
Speaker 1: to accept the seasons over. I still got that was
Speaker 1: a tough one yesterday. So how you go? I don't
Speaker 1: know how you're gonna make me feel better, Spacks, It's
Speaker 1: gonna be very hard. And it sounded like listening to
Speaker 1: Stephen doing his segment on the Fan that just moments
Speaker 1: ago as a matter of fact, that there wasn't a
Speaker 1: lot of good feelings in that team meeting room and
Speaker 1: everybody was kind of down, I would imagine, because the
Speaker 1: weird thing about NFL seasons, especially when you get into
Speaker 1: the playoffs, is you go one hundred miles an hour
Speaker 1: for six months and then everything comes to a screeching halt, right,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to accept, not only I would imagine
Speaker 1: for the players, the coaches, whatever, us two, that you
Speaker 1: do something this much for six months and then it's over,
Speaker 1: like in the blink of an eye. It's almost like
Speaker 1: my football career too. Yeah. Man, you just you know
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of prepared to go forward. You're never
Speaker 1: willing to accept that. Yeah, but it could be over.
Speaker 1: And for the Cowboys it's over. They got themselves a
Speaker 1: lot to blame for. And I don't know where you
Speaker 1: would like to start, but start from the beginning. We
Speaker 1: should point out what Stephen did say in that interview,
Speaker 1: because it's top of mind as far as coaching going forward,
Speaker 1: and we did get something that was somewhat definitive from
Speaker 1: Stephen kind of absolutely, yeah, he basically as far as
Speaker 1: the head coach goes that I think the question was
Speaker 1: posed or you're confident that Mike McCarthy will be the
Speaker 1: head coach of this team this year, and he said yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So get that out of the way right on. And
Speaker 1: it's really weird that it even comes up, because if
Speaker 1: you get into the business that if you lose a
Speaker 1: playoff game, you're fired, boy, you're gonna have a lot
Speaker 1: of turnover in the right And I don't know why
Speaker 1: that always starts, um, you know, And and I think
Speaker 1: two things have created that. Um. When they fired chan
Speaker 1: Gaily after the ninety nine season because he didn't win
Speaker 1: a playoff game those ninety eight and ninety nine. But
Speaker 1: really the reason they fired him is it wasn't a
Speaker 1: good fit between the head coach and the quarterback. Remind
Speaker 1: me on that how long after the season was a
Speaker 1: decision made not to bring him back. It was after meetings,
Speaker 1: It was after right, It was after digesting the season,
Speaker 1: having an opportunity to talk with players talk, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And because if I remember correctly, they named Dave Campo
Speaker 1: the head coach when I was already at the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: I believe, So what was the record before that season?
Speaker 1: So they wasn't like this, They went ten and six,
Speaker 1: lost the first round game to Minnesota, and then eight
Speaker 1: or maybe it was the opposite way around. One year
Speaker 1: they lost to Minnesota and then the next the other
Speaker 1: year they went ten and six and lost to Arizona,
Speaker 1: and that's when he was fired and he and then
Speaker 1: he got fired. So he had two consecutives ten and six,
Speaker 1: eight and eight, and the ten and sixth season was
Speaker 1: the last time, So that might have been the ten
Speaker 1: and six season was the last time they had swept
Speaker 1: the NFC East. They won eight games in the division.
Speaker 1: That's back when St. Louis was still in the NFC East.
Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, Lieuten in six and ninety eight
Speaker 1: lost to Arizona, and in ninety nine it was I
Speaker 1: can read it. I mean eight and eight in lost
Speaker 1: Minnesota Minnesota. That was the wide receiver had a big day. Yes,
Speaker 1: Randy Montys, we got lost. After we got they started
Speaker 1: a verb for him too. So anyway, and then in
Speaker 1: twenty ten, look the reason, and everybody keeps saying they
Speaker 1: fired Wade Phillips so Jason Garrett could take over as
Speaker 1: the head coach. They fired Wade Phillips because they were
Speaker 1: one in seven and he had lost the team. They
Speaker 1: were not playing for him the last eight games and
Speaker 1: one in seven they were no the first That's how
Speaker 1: they started that season. One in seven and they were flat.
Speaker 1: They were they they just didn't have anything, and it
Speaker 1: was time to change. And the easiest change was because
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett was there. So I think those two things.
Speaker 1: And he went five and three of the rest of
Speaker 1: the season, and he was named the permanent coach after that, right,
Speaker 1: and then eight Nate eight Nate eight Nate until they
Speaker 1: went to eleven and five and twenty fourteen. So anyway,
Speaker 1: and the other part of that and why the why
Speaker 1: questions are being asked about the head coach is because
Speaker 1: other teams are interviewing the both coordinators for head coaching jobs,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn. And so the thought out
Speaker 1: there as well, if if Jerry Jones really is enamored
Speaker 1: with keeping Kellen Moore or Dan Quinn, whether you make
Speaker 1: a change. So so it was basically Stephen has put
Speaker 1: that to rest. It's he said he confidently absolutely expects
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy back now that we can get to the game.
Speaker 1: And and since we're going to get to the game,
Speaker 1: it's like after the way the offense and defense performed
Speaker 1: in that game. That's what That's what That's what they
Speaker 1: say anymore. That's what I said last night. I said,
Speaker 1: I laid all that out about the coordinators. And then
Speaker 1: unless these other teams watch today's game and that gives
Speaker 1: them pause, you know. Uh. Starting with the defense though, Okay,
Speaker 1: the way the Niners came out in that game, I
Speaker 1: mean that opening drive of the game, it was like
Speaker 1: a knife through butter. Okay, and they did everything exactly
Speaker 1: the way they had planned. And then they had the
Speaker 1: exactly the way we figured right right. I mean we
Speaker 1: all knew it, right, we one knew it. I can't
Speaker 1: see them saying, oh wow, that was a little twit.
Speaker 1: But then I wasn't ready for that. They could not
Speaker 1: have said that. And then they were they were held
Speaker 1: to field goals the rest of the I mean, they
Speaker 1: had success offensively, but they had to settle for field goals.
Speaker 1: And so it's a sixteen seven lead at the half,
Speaker 1: and then the score they got head in the second
Speaker 1: half was after an interception and next play Deebo Samuel's
Speaker 1: in the end zone. Yeah, they have to give up
Speaker 1: a twenty six stard run. The next play. Right, this
Speaker 1: is when you make This is when you answer as
Speaker 1: a defense right, right, this is when you respawn. And
Speaker 1: that's what I expected to But no, the issue on
Speaker 1: offense that you better score more than seventeen points right
Speaker 1: to win a playoff. Well, I'm gonna we'll get into
Speaker 1: how the game ended, right, But the reason they were
Speaker 1: in that situation at the end. On Friday, in my column,
Speaker 1: I wrote three things that had to happen if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were going to win. Number One, their offensive line
Speaker 1: had to play better than their offensive life. And they didn't.
Speaker 1: They did not. It was embarrassingly bad. Dak was and
Speaker 1: everybody wants to look at why was Dak so inaccurate?
Speaker 1: Number one? He got sacked five times? Number two, and
Speaker 1: this may be even worse, he got hit fourteen times
Speaker 1: in the game. Throwing past is fourteen, okay, And they
Speaker 1: couldn't run the ball. And if you look at the
Speaker 1: running game, they had seventy seven yards. Seventeen of them
Speaker 1: was not a planned run. It was Dak Prescott's scramble
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. So they had twenty one carries. First,
Speaker 1: how many did you get on the last play of
Speaker 1: the game. I forgot about that. Yeah that was the
Speaker 1: running backs. The running backs had sixteen carries for forty
Speaker 1: five yards. Yeah right, And and other than that one run,
Speaker 1: even the one run for a touchdown, they ended up
Speaker 1: with twenty carries for sixty yards. Well that Your offensive
Speaker 1: lines got to play better than that, got to play
Speaker 1: better than that. And they didn't. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the other team did not have their best defensive player
Speaker 1: on the field for the last thirty minutes of the game,
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa. Uh and and shocking he got a sack
Speaker 1: by spinning into the inside. Somebody had to look for that, right.
Speaker 1: They didn't play well, but again that has been a
Speaker 1: problem the majority of the year. The offensive line number two.
Speaker 1: They had to not let Deebo Samuel take over the game.
Speaker 1: He took over the game right, and ended up with
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten yards from scrimmage, including the twenty
Speaker 1: six yard touchdown run on an end around that he
Speaker 1: doubled back on. And I don't think anybody laid a
Speaker 1: hand on him for twenty six they did not. He
Speaker 1: danced around back there, picked his spot. Boys, he did.
Speaker 1: He's good. He is good. But but you know, you
Speaker 1: allow greatness, right, you know, And I'm thinking of that
Speaker 1: as well. I know for a fact, when you have
Speaker 1: as a safety, it is your job to find the
Speaker 1: hole that the running back is going to find. As well.
Speaker 1: You have to anticipate what that is. You can't come
Speaker 1: over first of all, over pursue when you abably have
Speaker 1: another guy out there setting the edge for you can't
Speaker 1: over I'm gonna do the play. Yeah, you can't over pursue.
Speaker 1: You have to be poised waiting for that moment. Otherwise
Speaker 1: he can't make it through the sideline. The extra defender
Speaker 1: that's out there. This is your gap here. You know,
Speaker 1: you're learned that from playing with the flex That was
Speaker 1: the whole thing of Tom Langer's defense. You have to
Speaker 1: plug in were you're supposed to be, trust them to
Speaker 1: do their job. This is no time to not be disciplined, right,
Speaker 1: This is no time not to be poored. By the way,
Speaker 1: did you hear what Deebo said to Kyle Shanahan after
Speaker 1: that interception? Oh? Yeah, give me the ball. Yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: give me the ball, and he gave him the ball.
Speaker 1: And by the way, what was the play they ran
Speaker 1: when they had they were trying to get a first
Speaker 1: down to end the game. It was basically it was
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel, same deal and wound up an inch short. Actually,
Speaker 1: Shanahan said afterwards when they asked him about it, he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, Debos said something to me. There was so
Speaker 1: much noise. I didn't understand what he said, but just
Speaker 1: looking at him, I knew what he meant. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: give me the damn ball right now. And then thirdly,
Speaker 1: what has been this defense's problem all season long? Big plays,
Speaker 1: big plays? And I pointed that out that if they
Speaker 1: don't get multiple takeaways to get San Francisco off the field,
Speaker 1: the big plays will kill them if they didn't stop that.
Speaker 1: I went back and looked before the game, Cowboys had
Speaker 1: given up seventy six plays runner pass of twenty yards
Speaker 1: or more and they came into the game with seventy.
Speaker 1: So their offense was big play. It wasn't marching down
Speaker 1: the field play after play after play. Well, in this game,
Speaker 1: they had fifteen snaps of at least ten yards, totaling
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty of their three hundred and forty
Speaker 1: one total yards, two hundred and forty came on fifteen plays,
Speaker 1: So they didn't stop the big play. So all the
Speaker 1: things that worried about going into the game came to
Speaker 1: fruition and that's why they were scrambling at the end
Speaker 1: to try to get one more play to throw to
Speaker 1: the end zone. And you know, it's amazing that we
Speaker 1: even got into that position. Actually, it's a testament, but
Speaker 1: it's nothing you can be proud of. It really isn't
Speaker 1: because it's the pattern that we've shown, and that pattern
Speaker 1: has always been been shown as a failure. When I
Speaker 1: like the pattern where we come back and score fifty points, well,
Speaker 1: that's not what we saw yesterday. And that's been our
Speaker 1: consistency or inconsistency throughout the last half of the season.
Speaker 1: Is trying to be more consistent in victory, right, trying
Speaker 1: to make the plays that you need to play when
Speaker 1: it's time to do and not leave yourself in this
Speaker 1: frantic situation at the end of a ball game. God defensively, guys,
Speaker 1: I was we we When it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: there are certain things you have to know about yourself.
Speaker 1: And no matter how good we feel certain games, we
Speaker 1: do not have the defense that can carry a team.
Speaker 1: We have one that can make plays, but offensively, we
Speaker 1: still have to compliment our offense. I still think that's
Speaker 1: our identity. And when our offense is not playing well,
Speaker 1: then we struggled. And when I say struggled, that's when
Speaker 1: we start to lose our poise and start to make mistakes.
Speaker 1: And if you look at I mentioned the duress Dak
Speaker 1: was under, Jimmy Garoppolo did not get sacked one time
Speaker 1: and he only got hit four times. So he threw
Speaker 1: the ball twenty five times and they just didn't get
Speaker 1: to him. And you lost to a team whose quarterback
Speaker 1: rating ended up sixty seven point four sixty seven point
Speaker 1: four and only passed for one hundred and seventy two yards.
Speaker 1: But it was the plays they made, the big play
Speaker 1: bring the chains, right, they played like us. That's us,
Speaker 1: that's the Cowboys. They're not trying to go down the field.
Speaker 1: They are trying to get themselves in position to move
Speaker 1: the chains. That's exactly what they did. Controlled ball game.
Speaker 1: Multiple played drives and it was a quarterback plane with
Speaker 1: a spraying thumb. He didn't well, they didn't need it
Speaker 1: because they're running the ball. They got debot hundred in
Speaker 1: sixty nine yards rushing, and that's how you protect your
Speaker 1: quarterback right there. Run the ball and move the chains
Speaker 1: without having to ask for third and fifteen thirty nine.
Speaker 1: We're looking at thirty s when they managed to get
Speaker 1: them into those situations. By the way they that's when
Speaker 1: they were successful. We were successful games. Yes, absolutely, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's break time or what do you want to talk
Speaker 1: about when we come back? We got to take a
Speaker 1: pare to talk about. We start, we go to the
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Speaker 1: to join today. And I don't know if this little
Speaker 1: fan pack thing had anything to do, but I noticed
Speaker 1: in the game, and I usually don't see these things,
Speaker 1: that before they let the standing room only crowd in,
Speaker 1: there were people already lined up along the railing, and
Speaker 1: I was wondering if those were the Cowboy United fan
Speaker 1: packed and you got that privilege to enter the squatters
Speaker 1: They were the squatters, the sooners before everybody else came
Speaker 1: rushing in. I saw the video of everybody rushing in. Yes, yep,
Speaker 1: it's Mad Dash and to the surprise of the people
Speaker 1: that were on the West concourse, Nickelodeon was set up
Speaker 1: taking their space in the middle standing room on that
Speaker 1: second day. Wow. Yeah, And the announced attendance was ninety
Speaker 1: three thousand, four hundred and seventy. Didn't get a hundred, No,
Speaker 1: not two hundred. I bought my brother in law and uh,
Speaker 1: my foundation partner. The forty nine ers fans tried to
Speaker 1: get it to one hundred thousand. Yeah, I brought the
Speaker 1: couple and so yeah, brother in law was his birthday, Elmo.
Speaker 1: He's crazier fan than than you and I put together.
Speaker 1: I was gonna have to do my zanas before the
Speaker 1: game he did. How about after? Yeah, okay, and we
Speaker 1: really I must commend both of us because my foundation
Speaker 1: partner is a major Niner fan. Okay, So how was
Speaker 1: the setup in the stands? Because on TV I was
Speaker 1: watching on t when the forty nine Ers came on
Speaker 1: the field, they showed a shot of the visitors side
Speaker 1: of the stadium. There was in the background and there
Speaker 1: was a ton of red all that it appeared anyway
Speaker 1: to be a ton of red. But then when the Cowboys, Okay,
Speaker 1: so when the Cowboys came on the field, and the
Speaker 1: cow on the home side of the field, it was
Speaker 1: seemed to be virtually all white, more normal. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: the upper deck that you didn't see in the four hundred,
Speaker 1: it was almost all red on their sideline. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can see that. You can see where the line
Speaker 1: was drawn. Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: made a lot of money because they sold their tickets.
Speaker 1: And I you know, twenty four. I ran into somebody
Speaker 1: and said his buddy of his had two lower level
Speaker 1: seats and he made twenty four couldn't dollars, He couldn't
Speaker 1: pass it two tickets each. I mean to each that
Speaker 1: about pace for your season ticket, almost right, okay, okay
Speaker 1: into the game, all right, have had it. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what your guys feeling is. I understood the
Speaker 1: last call, why it was made the way it was.
Speaker 1: It was designed. It wasn't like a spur of the moment.
Speaker 1: And if you saw the all twenty two, the way
Speaker 1: San Francisco was played, they were all lined up on
Speaker 1: the side of the field knowing that they could not
Speaker 1: give up a pass to the boundary and let him
Speaker 1: get out of bounds. Yes, right way. This way, this way,
Speaker 1: this way. They looked lined up on the sideline the way. Uh.
Speaker 1: The poor kicker for San Francisco was lined up inside
Speaker 1: the Cowboys cheerleaders lines when they were marching off the
Speaker 1: field that he was in the middle of him practicing
Speaker 1: his kicks. Right, So they're all lined up up on
Speaker 1: the side, So there was no San Francisco player between
Speaker 1: the forty and when they showed it the twenty, there
Speaker 1: was nobody. The rest of them were at the goal line.
Speaker 1: So the idea is run the ball up the middle,
Speaker 1: slide when you think you've gotten fire enough, and then
Speaker 1: spiked the ball. Well, here was the big problem. And
Speaker 1: I finally looked it up and found it because I
Speaker 1: thought I had remembered when the NFL changed where the
Speaker 1: umpire stands used to be five yards behind the defensive line.
Speaker 1: And they said, you know what, that's a little dangerous.
Speaker 1: We're gonna move him behind the offensive line so they
Speaker 1: can have a look. So he kind of lined up
Speaker 1: opposite across from the head referee. In twenty ten, the
Speaker 1: NFL announced that this repositioning would be permanent. Or five
Speaker 1: major injuries were suffered by the umpires in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine. From twenty ten to twenty fifteen, the umpire
Speaker 1: returned to the defensive side of the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: during the last five minutes of the second half because
Speaker 1: they figured, all right, teams are going to be trying
Speaker 1: to hurry up. We got to have the ball spotted quickly.
Speaker 1: Right in twenty sixteen, they this provision was deleted and
Speaker 1: now the umpire stands in the offensive backfield and all
Speaker 1: plays except when it's obvious when the offensive team will
Speaker 1: spike the ball. So here's what happens. I went back,
Speaker 1: I watched the time Dak takes off. There's fourteen seconds
Speaker 1: to go. He slides down. With nine seconds to go,
Speaker 1: the umpire was still at the fifty yard line. I
Speaker 1: don't know what he thought he was going to see
Speaker 1: from there, but he was still at the fifty yard line.
Speaker 1: And we'll get into way. Alex Kemp, the head referee,
Speaker 1: answered the the pool reporters questions. He did not get
Speaker 1: to the ball until there was like four seconds to go.
Speaker 1: He had to run twenty five yards and then he
Speaker 1: had to bust. He had to bust through the line. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And he had to bust through the line to get
Speaker 1: to the ball, and the rule is the umpire has
Speaker 1: to touch the ball before you're allowed to snap in
Speaker 1: a hurry up. So I don't know what he thought
Speaker 1: he was doing back there. But here's what else happens.
Speaker 1: You know, Dak mentioned he got run in from behind.
Speaker 1: He did well, he did, but the guy had to
Speaker 1: get to the ball right. He spots it and then
Speaker 1: he moves it again. Why why did he have to
Speaker 1: reposition it like the length of the football? He put
Speaker 1: it down and then brought it back to him. And
Speaker 1: guess what he did after he spotted it. He ran
Speaker 1: behind the defensive line. So just they did not when
Speaker 1: they made that decision. They didn't factor in the ball
Speaker 1: had to be spotted right, And and I heard criticism
Speaker 1: who didn't factor in the Cowboys maybe in their timing
Speaker 1: of how long it was going to take to get
Speaker 1: the next play off. But it shouldn't. But it shouldn't
Speaker 1: have mattered because you don't even But why wouldn't they
Speaker 1: as as you practice it, you know the rule right,
Speaker 1: and so you know that the official has to them
Speaker 1: said it was going to take that long. Again, that's
Speaker 1: because when you practice it, you assume he's going to
Speaker 1: be much quicker than five. I heard people saying that
Speaker 1: Dak made the mistake. He's got to hand the ball
Speaker 1: to the official, not to his center. There was not
Speaker 1: an official in sight. Once again, both guys away, both
Speaker 1: guys on the sideline stood there with their foot mark
Speaker 1: and where the ball was. Nobody came in to get
Speaker 1: the ball. But that's not the job on the side.
Speaker 1: It's the umpire supposed to come in. That's right. And
Speaker 1: it took and I'll mispronounce his name. I don't know
Speaker 1: it's our A M O n George, So it's Raymond
Speaker 1: or Ramone. He took all day to get there, right,
Speaker 1: and then he respots it and by time I thought
Speaker 1: he got chipped up. No, I didn't know what the
Speaker 1: heck he was doing. He was fifty and so and
Speaker 1: so nobody there was nobody to hand the ball too.
Speaker 1: So he hands it. To be honest, everybody gets lined
Speaker 1: up and this guy doesn't show up till three seconds.
Speaker 1: By time he respotted it got out of the way.
Speaker 1: They didn't get the snap off right. But McCarthy said
Speaker 1: that you know how, they had the alternative officials on
Speaker 1: the sideline, both sidelines, two on each. They basically immediately
Speaker 1: told him that that's going to get respotted. They'll reset
Speaker 1: the clock to one second. And they didn't do it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they got no call down from the replay referee,
Speaker 1: they got no call from New York. And when Alex
Speaker 1: Kemp was asked if any of those things happened, he said, no,
Speaker 1: we discussed it on the field. Well, they didn't discuss
Speaker 1: it for long because the next thing we heard is
Speaker 1: the game is over. Yeah, with no explanation. He gave
Speaker 1: a better explanation for the punt hitting the video board
Speaker 1: than he did at the end of the game. He says,
Speaker 1: very unusual play. Yeah, I think I never heard anyone
Speaker 1: say that, wow, you know, announcing a call. So when
Speaker 1: they asked him, there was no replay assist or from
Speaker 1: New York. That is correct. That's handled on the by
Speaker 1: the officials on the field. And when he was asked,
Speaker 1: when the umpire is that far away, should he have
Speaker 1: been closer, he said, we're trailing the play, keeping proper
Speaker 1: distance so that we can identify files if there are any.
Speaker 1: Once the play is over, the umpire immediately goes to
Speaker 1: the spot of the ball, and that's what we did.
Speaker 1: That is not a freaking answer. That is not an answer.
Speaker 1: That's not what you did, like he was gonna call
Speaker 1: a penalty twenty five yards, or that's the way you write.
Speaker 1: That's the way you write down an answer. That's a multiple,
Speaker 1: multiple choice answer. You know what, we know what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do. That is not what you did. If
Speaker 1: you're that far away, you just can't beat in a
Speaker 1: timely fashion. When you practice that, you assume that the
Speaker 1: umpire right is going to be there. All you worry
Speaker 1: about is what your teammates do, what's coming from the sideline,
Speaker 1: from your coach, that's all you worry about. You don't
Speaker 1: worry about. Oh, let me get out of the way,
Speaker 1: because now the umpire is going to come up three
Speaker 1: seconds later. If Dad had waited, he'd have been holding
Speaker 1: the ball, like come on, okay, well yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't do that. I have to get the next call.
Speaker 1: I have to make sure my guys are lined up.
Speaker 1: We assume that you do your job and in a
Speaker 1: timely fashion, because of course we're working against the clock. Also,
Speaker 1: you can't be the reason for the delay. All Star
Speaker 1: crew and they saw everything, and I know that much.
Speaker 1: I tell you, how many did we get fourteen again, fourteen?
Speaker 1: How magic number? Got A couple other will go over
Speaker 1: what's your understanding on have you ever talked to coaches
Speaker 1: about through the years about this scenario and how much
Speaker 1: time typically you want on the clock or what's that
Speaker 1: cut off the number, the number of seconds on the
Speaker 1: clock in order to be able to run a play
Speaker 1: of this duration get lined up and be able to
Speaker 1: clock it. I thought they were right at their threshold
Speaker 1: for enough time all right for me. I think I
Speaker 1: remember him once saying seventeen seconds was the cutoff, and
Speaker 1: they were at fourteen. They were at fourteen, And it
Speaker 1: wasn't like it was they ran a play and they're
Speaker 1: at fourteen. It was a it was stopped clock. They
Speaker 1: knew that they had fourteen, right, you know what? I
Speaker 1: remember going all the way back to the Jay Novacheck
Speaker 1: play against Bill Belichick's Cleveland Browns in nineteen ninety four
Speaker 1: where you got stopped on the goal. I remember at
Speaker 1: that point talking to coaches what's that threshold? And I
Speaker 1: have always thought this ever since nineteen ninety four, the
Speaker 1: threshold was sixteen seconds. That's my issue with this play
Speaker 1: call it. I love the concept of it, it's the
Speaker 1: amount of time left on the clock and you and
Speaker 1: you can run it as many times as you want
Speaker 1: to run it in practice, and you cannot simulate that
Speaker 1: situation right there because of the adrenaline, I mean, the
Speaker 1: stress that's on everybody involved, including Plus. And that's the
Speaker 1: other thing is Plus, the most important person in the equation,
Speaker 1: is not at your practice to simulate right exactly. And
Speaker 1: so that's the issue that I had with running that play.
Speaker 1: And so you're at the forty yard line, would you
Speaker 1: have done that all? Hell mary? Well, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: in that situation because of what they were doing on
Speaker 1: the sideline and so forth. You have to throw to
Speaker 1: the end zone and maybe you get two shots at
Speaker 1: the end zone from the forty. But I love the
Speaker 1: concept if you've got sixteen seconds. I don't when you
Speaker 1: got fourteen seconds, because this kind of thing happens. And
Speaker 1: Dak said they had two plays already to go. One
Speaker 1: was five guys down the field and then the other
Speaker 1: one was a hell Mary from and from the twenty five.
Speaker 1: The hell Mary's a little more realistic, right, Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: and I know you got my my column probably just
Speaker 1: got posted. But the lead to my story was about
Speaker 1: the last seconds, and I said, my imagination had run wild.
Speaker 1: Either they were going to get forty six years later,
Speaker 1: the second hill Mary of their career to win the
Speaker 1: game from the forty, or from the twenty four the
Speaker 1: tight end was going to catch the catch two in
Speaker 1: the end zone to win. I would call it, and
Speaker 1: neither one panned out. And so I ended my column
Speaker 1: with a little Michael Jackson, just my imagination running away
Speaker 1: with that, temptations. Yeah, yeah, Michael Jackson saying it. I
Speaker 1: thought he did. I think he did his own temptations.
Speaker 1: Temptations did it? So you know the other thing that
Speaker 1: I was when I heard McCarthy talking about it after
Speaker 1: the game and he liked the idea of the five
Speaker 1: verticals to the end zone rather than a hail mary.
Speaker 1: I wondered your your call. Going all the way back
Speaker 1: to training camp and Dack's injury and training camp, my
Speaker 1: understanding is that they had come throwing a hail mary
Speaker 1: and the back the back injury, and so I wondered
Speaker 1: how much they have actually practiced the hail mary passed
Speaker 1: due to the fact, obviously you don't want that to
Speaker 1: happen again to your quarterback, the most important player on
Speaker 1: the team and so which might have given them more
Speaker 1: comfort in because it's it's still even the five vertical
Speaker 1: thing to the end zone. I mean, what are your
Speaker 1: chances of completing it? You know when you've got everybody
Speaker 1: in the end Yeah, right, right, So, anyway, that just
Speaker 1: thought crossed my mind. I was trying to remember if
Speaker 1: they even had to throw a hell Mary this year. Well,
Speaker 1: if there have been times, there have been times. This
Speaker 1: isn't the first time I've thought this this year. There
Speaker 1: have been times where they were in position and they
Speaker 1: run the lateral play instead, And at those times I thought,
Speaker 1: I don't think they want back to throw a hill Mary, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, that play was gonna work. How is it? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: can I get this play done? Right? Here? The best
Speaker 1: play that never had? All right, here's what you're interest.
Speaker 1: Instead of the back draw, run the Cedric Wilson over
Speaker 1: the middle, throw it out a bounds play. Dude, what oh,
Speaker 1: run the Cedric Wilson throw it out a bounds play. Well,
Speaker 1: you mean, I don't think what they ran aloradier in
Speaker 1: the game. They didn't. I don't think you could do
Speaker 1: that on purpose. Though you run the same play you
Speaker 1: got Tony Poller going, I didn't get penalized on that,
Speaker 1: throw it behind him. Yeah, I mean just doing inaccurate
Speaker 1: past to Tony Pollard on the sideline because it get
Speaker 1: interesting and get intercepted because they're defending the sideline anyway.
Speaker 1: Now you can just throw it out of bounds. You're saying,
Speaker 1: that's what they did or can't be and you can't
Speaker 1: say there you were, you were grounding the ball because
Speaker 1: you throw it beh Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: a backwards pass. We need to talk to Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: about that set like those, I mean actually completed one time,
Speaker 1: but that would have been the one time. That would
Speaker 1: have been the one time the play would have worked, say,
Speaker 1: because then you would have had you could have run
Speaker 1: that ten yards down fifteen yards down field. Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: throws it to Tony Pollard incomplete out of bounds. How
Speaker 1: many taloon does that play take from fourteen seconds? Well,
Speaker 1: so you're nine seconds now you can do it again
Speaker 1: and now you're you're at the fifteen yard line. You
Speaker 1: can take your shot at the year zone. Well, the
Speaker 1: fact the fact that we are in the fact that
Speaker 1: we're talked about low percentage plays. That means that we
Speaker 1: did something wrong to get to that play. That's right,
Speaker 1: and that's the point to that point. How about this,
Speaker 1: in the last eight minutes of that game, Okay, Cowboys
Speaker 1: pulled her within twenty three seventeen with eight to two
Speaker 1: left in the game. And what does San Francisco do
Speaker 1: on their next possession. They accumulate three first downs and
Speaker 1: they run five minutes and seconds off the clock. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to be in this position where
Speaker 1: you're having to stop them, yeah, stop them and don't
Speaker 1: commit the penalties. I believe the penalties. That's right. We
Speaker 1: have penalties on the hand, by the way, yeah, Osa
Speaker 1: with a whole defensive holding and oh, we gotta do
Speaker 1: that next. And I'll just set it up with I've
Speaker 1: watched every game, every snap, and I don't think they
Speaker 1: ever had a defensive lineman called it for the first
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Speaker 1: and so we're gonna have to go to our hurry up, okay,
Speaker 1: real quickly. I wanted to give a shout out to
Speaker 1: Tired Archer. He was the Pro Football Writers Association pool reporter,
Speaker 1: and I've had to do this before several times, go
Speaker 1: into that officiating locker room and ask them questions about
Speaker 1: something that was sort of off kilter. He hung in
Speaker 1: there and got nine questions asked. I think when I
Speaker 1: got to four and I wasn't getting anywhere, I just
Speaker 1: threw my hands up said I'm done. At Texas Stadium,
Speaker 1: the locker room for the officials was very small. It
Speaker 1: felt like you were in one of those old Jimmy
Speaker 1: Cagney movies back in the forties in a hotel room
Speaker 1: in New York when you can go like this and
Speaker 1: hit both walls standing up. That's the visual that I
Speaker 1: actually have. And they're all so you got a recorder
Speaker 1: in your hand, The official head official head referees got one,
Speaker 1: and then there's an NFL person with one, so you
Speaker 1: got three recorders going, and all the other guys are
Speaker 1: shooting daggers at you right because they're all looking and
Speaker 1: they call the official up that made the play. So
Speaker 1: they're intimidating the hell out of you, right, and then
Speaker 1: you ask a question and you get these little short
Speaker 1: empire empires answers, like was the umpire in where he
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the umpire spotted the ball properly? Right?
Speaker 1: They give you all these little short question answers, right,
Speaker 1: and you can't get anywhere because they're so defensive. Right,
Speaker 1: there's no discussion whatsoever. But anyway, I give Todd credit
Speaker 1: ESPN Dallas for hanging in there and continuing to ask
Speaker 1: the questions. Did he get the good answers? Just to
Speaker 1: be clearer, there was oh replay assist or call from
Speaker 1: New York on this play that is correct, that is
Speaker 1: handled by the officials on the field. Would that been
Speaker 1: something that should have been looked at before the call
Speaker 1: of the game was ended? Or once you called the
Speaker 1: end of the game, it's the end of the game.
Speaker 1: That's the end of the game. Once we confirmed it
Speaker 1: with the officials on the field. That sounds like he's
Speaker 1: in court. Oh absolutely yeah. So anyway, good job by him.
Speaker 1: He tried to get something out of him more than
Speaker 1: the standard answers. All right, was the defensive holding, defensive
Speaker 1: holding twice, like Everson I said, I think in the break.
Speaker 1: Hadn't seen it called all years. Twice in one game. Okay,
Speaker 1: And I'm going to start with the first possession, the
Speaker 1: first play of the game. When they called Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: for in the neutral zone, Trent Williams moved his left leg.
Speaker 1: He moved it so obvious. I wrote down on my
Speaker 1: notes right here, it's too Samuel, meaning the past arrow,
Speaker 1: false start, seventy one left tackle false start. Oh nope,
Speaker 1: they called Randy and the neutral zone. Why did they call?
Speaker 1: Why did they stop the play? Why did they whistle
Speaker 1: it when it's a neutral zone violation? I have no idea,
Speaker 1: because he one of the officials must have thought false start.
Speaker 1: Then they conferred and the other one overruled him. I
Speaker 1: thought the guy on that sideline called it, and Trent
Speaker 1: Williams moved his foot, his leg, his left leg which
Speaker 1: was to the official, moved. It's like he twitched it.
Speaker 1: And then that's when Randy jumped right. Randy was already
Speaker 1: lined up off side, and maybe they thought he was already,
Speaker 1: but his foot. Now, I don't know. Do they call
Speaker 1: it if your head's over the line, but not your foot. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: well then that's what they call, so that maybe that's
Speaker 1: what happened, all right, that's that must have been what
Speaker 1: had happened. The reason that they blew the whistle was
Speaker 1: because Trent Williams moved it was a false start. But
Speaker 1: the fact that Rand and so the other official from
Speaker 1: the side probably came in and said he was lined up,
Speaker 1: lined up in the neutral zone and that must be
Speaker 1: the rule on it. Then, well, because the ball was
Speaker 1: on the dates the false start, the ball was on
Speaker 1: the twenty five, and the ball where they were hiking
Speaker 1: it was just behind the twenty five. And if if
Speaker 1: it's a false start, the ball hasn't been snapped yet. Correct, correct,
Speaker 1: So doesn't matter where Randy Gregory's lined up at that point.
Speaker 1: Well apparently apparently it does because they called it right
Speaker 1: and then the ball snap, So it doesn't matter where
Speaker 1: Randy is right now? Correct? And then later he didn't jump,
Speaker 1: He didn't know, he did not. He was still until
Speaker 1: he took off when he but he was still and
Speaker 1: he was still in the neutral zone off sides when
Speaker 1: the ball was snapped. But you're saying when the false
Speaker 1: start on the false start but I assume what what
Speaker 1: the rule must be on it if a guy is
Speaker 1: lined up in the new a defensive player is lined
Speaker 1: up off sides and everything, Yeah, that overrules everything. Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's it. And then it happened again,
Speaker 1: and the second time, his head was not over the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and there was Trent Williams. He was
Speaker 1: digging his left foot into the ground like yeah, like
Speaker 1: he was getting ready to go. Yeah, and they didn't
Speaker 1: call it again. It's like okay. And then they totally
Speaker 1: botched the delay of game after the fake punt because
Speaker 1: and Tony Romo got it wrong on the on the
Speaker 1: broadcast because Romo was saying, okay, they left the kicking
Speaker 1: team out there because they were trying to get a
Speaker 1: time out from San Francisco. Oh no, they had another
Speaker 1: their play that was right, right, and and C. J.
Speaker 1: Goodwin was on the field, by the way, and he
Speaker 1: I think was a former quarterback. He was lined up
Speaker 1: in the backfield right, yeah, okay, So what happened was
Speaker 1: they were going to run a play against their special teams, right,
Speaker 1: they were going to run a play against San Francisco.
Speaker 1: And then and then yeah, what happened was number one
Speaker 1: and I forgot about this. You have a kicking ball.
Speaker 1: So the umpire had to pick up the kicking ball
Speaker 1: and replace it with a regular ball and throw the
Speaker 1: kicking ball off the field, right. So San Francisco is
Speaker 1: seeing what was going on. They ran their defense back
Speaker 1: out there, right. Of course, they did the right right
Speaker 1: now right, it's yeah. So so here's what here's what
Speaker 1: takes place. They reset the clock after he changed the
Speaker 1: ball to twenty five seconds. It got down to twenty
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys realized, oh, they got their defense out
Speaker 1: there against our twenty five seconds. To realize it took
Speaker 1: it took five seconds, and no, I watched it again,
Speaker 1: and they didn't even reset the twenty five second clock
Speaker 1: for about ten or fifteen seconds. Well, because they had
Speaker 1: to switch out the ball right, and then with twenty
Speaker 1: seconds left, McQuaid goes, oh, hell, we got to get
Speaker 1: off the field. So he waves everybody off the field.
Speaker 1: So they had to bring in the offense right. Well,
Speaker 1: they got him in. They made their substitution change and oh, George,
Speaker 1: the umpire is standing over the ball like this, and
Speaker 1: he and he waited till three seconds left on the clock.
Speaker 1: To move and they couldn't get the snap off. That
Speaker 1: was the one that got me that one case, because
Speaker 1: they made a change, and you have to leave time
Speaker 1: for the opposition to make their change, and even if
Speaker 1: they are making a change, and McCarthy said that he
Speaker 1: was told that they initially said we were making a
Speaker 1: change and the Cowboys weren't. But they got a cuse
Speaker 1: for one of the guys on the sideline celebrating and
Speaker 1: he was on the wrong side of the sideline, and
Speaker 1: so they were looking at that guy's coming in, so
Speaker 1: they said, oh, we got to hold it up so
Speaker 1: they can make their change. So there it goes all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're first and ten at the thirty six,
Speaker 1: I think it was. I have a question on that.
Speaker 1: Can you tell the officials in advance should have that
Speaker 1: that we want to use the same ball, the kicking
Speaker 1: ball on the next plus the only way the should
Speaker 1: have told him what was coming before the game, and
Speaker 1: even there before the game, you tell the That's what
Speaker 1: I'm wondering. You tell you tell the officiating crew if
Speaker 1: we run a fake punt, we want the kicking ball
Speaker 1: on the field, because we're leaving our kicking team on
Speaker 1: the field, we're going to run another play, and on
Speaker 1: the last play they should have told umpire George, this
Speaker 1: is what we're getting getting ready to do. Be ready
Speaker 1: to spot the ball right now. Nobody knew they were
Speaker 1: going to do that twenty five yards away. Do you
Speaker 1: think Dak made the decision to do that. No, that
Speaker 1: was the plan to run. Yeah, yeah, that was the play.
Speaker 1: But the reason I say that, I think in his
Speaker 1: postgame comment, I think the verbatim on it. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear him say it, but the transcription of it said,
Speaker 1: I decided to do to run the play. Oh. I
Speaker 1: don't remember him saying that. I'll have to go back
Speaker 1: and look. But Mike, they basically said they've practiced that right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. It wasn't like all right, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like he drew it up in the sand. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: me see. I think I headed somewhere. Let's see. Um
Speaker 1: where'd it go? Um? He said, here's the verbatim on it.
Speaker 1: I made the call knowing that we're going to get
Speaker 1: some yards and get down and I've got to clock it.
Speaker 1: So that which made me think that it was Dak
Speaker 1: on his own who decided to do that. But I
Speaker 1: don't know for sure, Like he told Kellen Moore, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not running what you called, or they've got a
Speaker 1: play called and then he can he saw what was
Speaker 1: open in the middle of the field, and they've practiced it,
Speaker 1: and so there's no Well they lined up that way
Speaker 1: for the I think the previous two plays. Obviously, that's
Speaker 1: what that's the play you run. I mean to me,
Speaker 1: that's the play you run. Do you have enough time?
Speaker 1: That's something you should have taken care of before that play,
Speaker 1: So you don't run the you don't throw to the
Speaker 1: end zone until you have to. I thought they would
Speaker 1: getting themselves in. They set to get a closer like
Speaker 1: a real play. Yeah, and that I know that was
Speaker 1: what they're intent. Yeah. Yeah, The question is did they
Speaker 1: have enough time to do it? Well, yeah, you got
Speaker 1: You got no choice. You got no choice, and you
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been in that position to start. All right.
Speaker 1: That does it for Well, we went a season six
Speaker 1: minutes over. We're gonna be back again tomorrow. That we
Speaker 1: got the snap off on our last play, that's right.
Speaker 1: We went overtime here, all right, Cowboys didn't have the
Speaker 1: liberty of having overtime, all right, That does it for
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