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Speaker 1: On this episode of the Command Center Podcast, we have

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Speaker 1: London Fletcher, unfiltered man. He's talking about his career from

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Speaker 1: his perspective, super informative, super fun and let's get this

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Speaker 1: man in the Hall of Fame. Man. We do a

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Speaker 1: lot of talking about who's in, who's out. He should

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Speaker 1: definitely be in. After that conversation, and then us we

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Speaker 1: give Fletch his flowers. Man talk about how much we

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Speaker 1: love this guy. Brace you guys.

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Speaker 2: Check it out.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome stuff. Welcome to the Command Center Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Logan Paulson here with Fred Smoot kind of whatever, Santana

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Speaker 1: Moss and then London Fletcher. You So, you said you're

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Speaker 1: doing some Christmas shopping freend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I like to spray and joy.

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Speaker 1: So how many?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you said you'd like to get people stuff?

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Speaker 2: How many?

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Speaker 1: Like who's who's in?

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Speaker 3: You're like seized who at my gift giving?

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Speaker 1: Like this, Funch get a gift.

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Speaker 4: Fletch gets a gift, is It gets a gift?

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Speaker 3: Shun Springs gets a gift?

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Speaker 1: What did you get Sea Springs? Last year?

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Speaker 5: I give him a gift card with no money, Like

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Speaker 5: this is what I do every year with Shun Springs.

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Speaker 5: I changed the cards. Like the year before, I got

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Speaker 5: my Apple card because I know he like computers with no.

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Speaker 4: Money on it.

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Speaker 5: No, I have to like to buy the car, so

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Speaker 5: I had to put ten dollars on it. Now, last

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Speaker 5: year I got a lou of a Tongue because I

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Speaker 5: know he is a label dude.

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Speaker 4: I got my Louis of a Tongue card.

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Speaker 5: He literally goes into the Liutle of bit Ton store

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Speaker 5: like two weeks later calls me talking about it ain't

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Speaker 5: enough money.

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Speaker 1: On him.

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Speaker 3: Trying to get these shoes.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, man, they must.

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Speaker 3: Be making a mistake.

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Speaker 4: Tell me this, dude, tell me this. Do you buy

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Speaker 4: a car?

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Speaker 6: Do you purchase a card where we can add the

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Speaker 6: money to it if you know.

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Speaker 3: If you want to.

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Speaker 5: I don't even check that farf because when you go

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Speaker 5: to the counter they say how much money you go

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Speaker 5: on to call?

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Speaker 6: Because sometimes you're like, okay, oh you need ten that

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Speaker 6: was what it's called on.

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Speaker 1: So there's actually ten dollars, but you got to purchase

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Speaker 1: the call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I got to put something.

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Speaker 1: On And then do you just spend the money on

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Speaker 1: the card, so it's actually zero?

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Speaker 4: Literally just lit the ten dollars.

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Speaker 2: So you're brought up in Louis Vuitta with ten dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, give me a two peek, you can.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that I've never gotten anything a little

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: Actually, look at your shoes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a little nervous man, you like we're

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Speaker 1: like a little out of breath.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I'm never nervous.

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Speaker 2: You got.

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Speaker 1: You get it started.

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Speaker 5: Every time I was nervous, the doctor was slapping me

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Speaker 5: on the.

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Speaker 2: It was a new vioment. Sel like for the first time,

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Speaker 2: Like what the.

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Speaker 1: All right? So the so this podcast today is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Because we were talking about our guy, the one and only,

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Speaker 1: the Captain London Fletcher cap right, and you're on here

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Speaker 1: because why are you in here again?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but y'all needed to make this thing prettier. Boot

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Speaker 2: over there, we need the offset.

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Speaker 7: Man, God don't like well yeah, squell right, yeah, but

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Speaker 7: I think we're on here because fletch, you're up for

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Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame, right you've been.

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Speaker 1: I don't know this sand's nominated. How does that work

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Speaker 1: for you?

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Speaker 3: It's nominated, but it's long time overdue.

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Speaker 5: Like at the end of the day, we're here to

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Speaker 2: Been in there.

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Speaker 4: Tell me this, Tell me this, fletch, what is it like?

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Speaker 6: Because you know, this is one of the things that

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Speaker 6: I kind of got a bone and pick with the

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Speaker 6: Hall of Fame. And like I say, it's not because

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Speaker 6: of me, because I see so many guys get this chance,

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Speaker 6: or when they don't get the chance, it be politics, yeah, politics,

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Speaker 6: or they did and gone. But you got opportunity now right,

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Speaker 6: you got nominated. You and the what top will say?

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Speaker 6: Twenty five?

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Speaker 2: Right now? Twenty five?

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Speaker 6: Okay, how many chances do you get a chance to

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Speaker 6: be a part of this top twenty five?

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Speaker 2: How many opportunities do they give you? The way it

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Speaker 2: five years out of the NFL post plan to become

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Speaker 2: then you go to the senior serial ballot. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: this is my let's see, I retired after the twenty

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Speaker 2: thirteen seasons. He quick math. Let lord seventy. I think this, uh,

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Speaker 2: this is my fifth year, I believe on the ballot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, you did five years on the batter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I made the initial class, the initial nomination. What

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Speaker 6: First the first time eighteen eighteen eighty yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the last two years I've advanced to

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Speaker 6: Ask me because you you have this experience, because I

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Speaker 6: know Reggie have been on it a few times, and

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Speaker 2: Guy, you know, college mind Reggie.

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Speaker 4: Now he's he's on the battle again with flesh this year.

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Speaker 6: What's the feeling like if you don't get to the

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Speaker 2: Man, it was just knowing how my career went and

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Speaker 2: looking at it. So I wasn't the first couple of years.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I made it, I was excited, but

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Speaker 2: I was like, you know, kind of disappointed. You see

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Speaker 2: some of the other names on there, like.

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Speaker 1: Like, who are who are the names? Who are you

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Speaker 2: I can't This is just a couple of going back

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Speaker 2: the names or whatever there was people, Yeah, but there

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Speaker 2: are other people are like, damn him to the same final.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So last year, after I didn't make it to the

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Speaker 2: to disappointment. There's excitement, but it's also like then you

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Speaker 2: see the final class and like see see that's what got.

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Speaker 4: You where you're at right now because you're too damn nice.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: The markets where get seeing last year not only does

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Speaker 5: he fumble them.

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Speaker 1: You can't talk about the next I need facts, Freddy.

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Speaker 5: I can't talk about the national you go the fact

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Speaker 5: of the matter. He's younger, than London. Don't got the

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Speaker 3: He just played for the Captains.

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Speaker 1: Also a past rush slash.

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Speaker 2: Rusher gets pass rushers get h quarterbacks, pass rushers, offensive guys, receivers.

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Speaker 2: Like if you certain guys get, they're gonna get that

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Speaker 2: first ballot. Yeah, and so I didn't expect to be

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Speaker 2: first ballot, but I damn sure I was gonna be second. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, well you know when it comes to like a

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Speaker 6: I would say forgot like yourself. You know you're gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, point, you're gonna get there.

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Speaker 6: Now, what EJ was going through is like win because

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Speaker 6: he kept being on. He wasn't a semi finals all

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Speaker 2: This year.

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Speaker 6: Oh this year, I'm not a semi finals almost simmi finals.

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Speaker 6: This year he got to the point where he said,

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Speaker 6: screw that, I ain't even going to show up no

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Speaker 6: more because they're not gonna play with my emotions that way.

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Speaker 2: So that's what was he was advancing to the finalist stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So.

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Speaker 4: I remember the year that he got inducted.

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Speaker 2: He didn't go, he didn't show up. He didn't he

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Speaker 2: wasn't a part of the whole.

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Speaker 4: Got stay in your.

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Speaker 2: House and up on you.

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Speaker 4: You're like, no, I'm not going to be man boozed again.

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Speaker 6: So that's why we wanted to talk to you about that,

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Speaker 6: Just how that feeling is, and like when you know

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Speaker 2: In there, I almost look at it.

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Speaker 4: It's like, well just whenever, y'all whatever. Half, it's just

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Speaker 4: where do I find me?

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Speaker 3: You do know you're gonna be in there.

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Speaker 5: So he go to big question, what year of your

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Speaker 5: life do you want them to make the bus out of?

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Speaker 3: Do you want you want? Do you want young flats ship?

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Speaker 3: You won't see lo green right now? Like what the look?

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Speaker 3: Because you know they will mess a bus up. I

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Speaker 3: just seen some bus that don't look like to do.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna look at it. I'm gonna look at

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Speaker 2: all my years. I'm gonna pick the best.

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Speaker 1: You said you had one of him with the flat top,

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I have I have ran to find these things. Ever

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Speaker 5: My middle name, I haven't been an investigation to find

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Speaker 5: any John Carroll, anything I can find on.

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Speaker 1: Last did you find it?

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you, boy, that flat top was so

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Speaker 4: We're just older than.

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Speaker 2: You logan logan, Man, I wanted a flat top so bad,

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Speaker 2: but my hair didn't really grow that high. That flat

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Speaker 6: I wanted the curl so bad, so I got like

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Speaker 6: what you call it, I got a duke.

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Speaker 3: A duke.

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Speaker 6: So they told me in fifth grade I was gonna

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Speaker 6: long time. It ain't just come over now, you know

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Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Go ahead and let me go. You

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Speaker 6: know y'all said I like the flex a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Let me flex. No.

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Speaker 6: But so they say, hey, Tonney, You're gonna be the

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Speaker 4: So I'm damn I got to come right. Have my

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Speaker 4: mama paying mint here. She put the due in that

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Speaker 4: thing print like she's like, man, she's sitting.

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Speaker 6: There long enough, so let's start tinging in a little bit.

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Speaker 6: So I'm like, I gotta get from mon this thing.

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Speaker 6: So I didn't stay as long as I supposed to.

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Speaker 6: My thing was straight as all that dude.

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Speaker 3: I had had to lean.

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Speaker 2: I had to leave. I had to leave. What is

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Speaker 2: all over there and gum be on your head disaster.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm up there in that tuck sito talking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, next next suthing.

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Speaker 3: Heys, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: Told me that because I told my mom one time,

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Speaker 2: My MoMA like, boy, you sit you, but I like,

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Speaker 5: Right, I had to go play a basketball game I'm killing.

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Speaker 3: But now that and it's blinding me. I got. I

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Speaker 4: Cut the duke out. The next day, you got it.

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Speaker 2: So it sounded like your curl curl didn't quite And

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Speaker 6: I thought in fifth grade, I thought it was because

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Speaker 6: I didn't stay there long enough to let it sit.

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Speaker 6: But it was tried. I tried it again like years later.

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Speaker 6: I had a gumby now, so like I got, I

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Speaker 6: So I had the gumby and I said, I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: I stayed out longer. I'm like, I'm gonna make shureing

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Speaker 6: up sweat. Now, man, my thing was so straight.

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Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it don't work.

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Speaker 1: You ain't never had these problems, no, So so when

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Speaker 5: No, he remember like we just had to tell him

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Speaker 5: what the hawk means.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you know, you know what it was. I

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people didn't know what it was,

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Speaker 1: but you guys want to know to do.

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Speaker 2: It was a kit was like a.

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Speaker 1: Curl girl for me, okay, you know how it was

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Speaker 6: Just a male girls like yeah, so yees was a

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Speaker 5: So all us were walking around there that like everybody

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Speaker 5: wanted that that that Dion Sander almost think back in

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Speaker 4: Himmery, they was rocking that curl with the fade, So

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Speaker 4: I had to fade.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to rock that curl. So you put this

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Speaker 2: this this stuff in your hair, Kimmel, He's probably what

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Speaker 2: fifteen twenty minutes or whatever. It's sitting there and it burns. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it burn So you got to stand underneath there leaping

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Speaker 3: Why you all did it?

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Speaker 2: You all did did Don't try.

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Speaker 4: Don't try.

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Speaker 2: That curls was so small. You got a girl that

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Speaker 2: flat top. Listen, it won't a curl in this flat top.

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Speaker 3: Listen to even your flat top hated it.

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Speaker 1: So you had the flat top of John Carroll. No,

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Speaker 1: this is a high school in high school, so you

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Speaker 1: knew you didn't find a high school picture of him. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I look, you didn't find it.

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Speaker 3: I started to under the cover. I go under cover.

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Speaker 4: Well, he said something about the flat top, so he had.

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Speaker 2: To find it.

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Speaker 1: Listen. But I'm sure Fletch like, this is this, this

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Speaker 1: is what this is what this man will do. This

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Speaker 1: did some investigating fout how he broke your nose. I

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Speaker 1: tell everyone that story.

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Speaker 3: Fletch probably brought up. I heard the story.

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Speaker 4: Probably brought up the Well, really I brought he posted it.

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Speaker 5: Through out the coolie story up because I felt like

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Speaker 5: did that. It's a prank. I didn't prank guys before.

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Speaker 5: I felt like COOLi made you go out there and

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Speaker 5: that kickers help me hate on you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably true. You know, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: You know, you know Cooley's gonna do some funny things.

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Speaker 6: I remember Coolie painting on his pants and stuff and

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Speaker 6: Coach Gibbs had to bring him in the office to

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Speaker 6: talk to him.

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Speaker 2: He's like, he came into office.

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Speaker 6: With like, I don't know what he did that day,

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Speaker 6: He's like, yeah, you know, I was. I was wondering

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Speaker 2: I know, I know he's young.

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Speaker 6: I know, we just drafted him two years ago. And

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Speaker 6: then he walked into my office with all that stuff on,

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Speaker 6: and then he had a hoodie on zipped all the

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Speaker 6: way up to the I said, yeah, that is cool,

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Speaker 6: with the guy who's being with us, which one the

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Speaker 6: find him in somebody house.

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Speaker 3: Oh dext.

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Speaker 4: Coach gil Coach, that's the man.

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Speaker 3: It ain't nothing.

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Speaker 5: He ain't seen he getting hand the coolie Coolie Jeremy.

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Speaker 4: I told you I walked.

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Speaker 6: I bump into Coach give at four o'clock in the morning,

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Speaker 3: One morning.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what's up?

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Speaker 4: He said?

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Speaker 2: He tell him, what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: A longe night? Coach.

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Speaker 2: I came to work first, so I want to show.

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Speaker 6: I'll be late. He's like, all right, that's the night

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Speaker 6: I learned. I found out that Coach Gibb stayed here.

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Speaker 6: He stays here, watched five days a week.

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Speaker 5: He stayed here. And I remember pulling up one morning.

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Speaker 5: I had just left the club. It was a hell

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Speaker 5: I just pulled to the parking lot and I was

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Speaker 5: the wonder what are.

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Speaker 4: You doing in there? I'm resting my mind.

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Speaker 3: He's like, boy, you don't come in here at the

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Speaker 2: You gotta do what you gotta do. Dude.

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Speaker 1: That was like, cause you ever that Mike Shan answer.

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Speaker 1: You heard the show about Mike, So apparently when he

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Speaker 1: if if if John Elway wasn't feeling good, they would like,

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Speaker 1: out the night before and get him absolutely cambered. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he come in the next day and like, coach, I'm

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Speaker 2: That's that's how you. That's sticking out. That's looking out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I look for your guys. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about you. Your rookie year NFL undrafted free agent

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Speaker 1: and you run the Hall of Fame, but it started

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Speaker 1: out as a rookie undrafted guy. There's only a couple

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Speaker 1: percent of the guys undrafted, which is pretty cool that

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Speaker 1: you're in that pantheon. Talk about your rookie year because

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Speaker 1: you didn't come as in as the starter I'm.

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Speaker 2: Assuming, right, So it's it's it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, wait, I forgot something. We got to talk

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Speaker 1: about this. First, your forty time at John Carroll, what

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Speaker 1: stop talking, Fred? What was your forty time fast?

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Speaker 3: And what was Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Four to three up, four three eight, I was three

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 4: A four three five stop stop.

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Speaker 2: I picked him up and put him down. Don't even listen.

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Speaker 4: That's don't even better about what I got caught.

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Speaker 2: Quoted in the New York I'm running my forty. I

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Speaker 3: I'm running that forty.

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Speaker 2: So as I'm running, in my mind, I'm saying, get

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Speaker 1: How big were you when you're ready forty five?

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Speaker 2: No? I was, uh, there was about two thirty five

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Speaker 2: to forty maybe something like that. Damn yes, you like

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Speaker 2: Andre Johnson runner?

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Speaker 3: And how what did you wid?

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Speaker 2: All you see is you know how the boys look

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Speaker 2: at the coaches in the Scots look at they stopped again. No,

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Speaker 2: they all keep looking at you. They just keep looking.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah yeah I'm him, Yeah yeah, most definitely.

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Speaker 5: But he didn't for sure he wasn't.

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Speaker 2: He's for sure fast.

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Speaker 4: I told you he smooth.

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Speaker 2: But the fastest forty I ever read. Oh god, I

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Speaker 2: was two fifteen. I ran four three four where at Carol?

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Speaker 2: Really like I safe? I know for effect they were

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Speaker 2: to sell them yards smooth. You know how just think

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Speaker 2: how this was my mentality on that football field. You're

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Speaker 2: like man making all these tackles y'all have watched like

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Speaker 2: the Hunters and the hundred the animal channels, Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: them damn the predators. The predator. Yeah, I was the predator.

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Speaker 2: I like, I'm creeping on my prey and I'm going

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Speaker 5: That's where from playing with you out in the state.

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Speaker 5: Like the one thing about you, you a great chaser.

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Speaker 5: So I always I talked to Tent about this. I said,

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Speaker 5: I want to see them. Let DB's linebackers run they

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Speaker 5: the you get there. It's like the dog races, same

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Speaker 5: way putting the ball, Like I ran faster with something

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Speaker 5: to attack.

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Speaker 1: I hate to just be the young guy here who

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Speaker 1: they use those instead of the forty times.

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00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,000
Speaker 2: Now, when I did forty mile power one day.

449
00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,320
Speaker 4: Blast, I was running the highway.

450
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 3: I was running on the highway.

451
00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:09,040
Speaker 5: The driving they got was looking at men, When are

452
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,040
Speaker 5: you going to the same.

453
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,080
Speaker 3: He wasn't.

454
00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 4: Eight It's only highway over here, you went on.

455
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,480
Speaker 2: So just just the process at Carol, you know Division

456
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,719
Speaker 2: three guy underdrafted, undersized too. So I'm playing a Division

457
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 2: three and I'm undersized for the position that I played.

458
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 1: So give give some context. What was the size side

459
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:33,920
Speaker 1: side for the position?

460
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 2: Oh? I was five ten yeah, and so it's the

461
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 2: normal like thirty five, typical, prototypical six feeed flying back

462
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,920
Speaker 2: and they want you to be like six feet yeah,

463
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 2: forty five guy, yeah, back.

464
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 1: The changed a little bit now.

465
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a it was a bigger, bigger NFL

466
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 2: run league. Yeah. So so I got the two knocks

467
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 2: on me undersides and I played at Division three, so

468
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 2: the production, my production was off the charts. But they're

469
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 2: looking at like, hey, who is he playing against exactly?

470
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 2: So I man, I'm thinking I'm about to get I'm

471
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 2: thinking I'm getting drafted in the third rounds based on

472
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 2: the numbers I put up. You know, go through the draft,

473
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 2: don't get drafted. The Rams they wanted me to come

474
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 2: in as a as a tryout player for their first

475
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 2: mini cap and so I'm like, all right, man, it's

476
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 2: Saint Louis. Hey, I don't even want to go to

477
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 2: Saint Louis. Yea, they terrible, but it's an opportunity. So

478
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: I go there and When I get there, they're like,

479
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 2: we want to sign you. So I'm like all right.

480
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 2: So I'm up in the conference room on the second

481
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 2: floor and I'm talking to that general manager, Charlie Army.

482
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, London, we want to sign you to

483
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 2: a you know, to a free agent contract. So I'm like,

484
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 2: all right, man, well you know you're gonna give me

485
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 2: a sign of bote like, we ain't give it you.

486
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, we're gonna put you back there.

487
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: You might get you can get it anywhere from forty

488
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 2: thousand as a free agent, twenty five thousand to five anything.

489
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 2: Man may give me something. Yeah, like, no, we ain't

490
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 2: give you nothing. So we go back and forth. It

491
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 2: felt like it felt like an hour, me and him

492
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 2: just having to stay down. It probably was only like

493
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 2: three minutes. And I'm like, man, I ain't sign of

494
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,959
Speaker 2: that contract. So he's like, all right, well, we're just

495
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna send you back home. So I'm like

496
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: all right, man, I'm I'm like I am, I'm gonna

497
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 2: sign this contract. I ain't gonna let he punk me though.

498
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna

499
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 2: sign this contract. I'm gonna be back for some more money.

500
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna have.

501
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: To see it because I'm like, man, I'm pissed off too, Like,

502
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 2: don't try to play me, man, I ain't no sucker. Yeah,

503
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: so you know, so.

504
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: I didn't realize you're like a tryout guy, Like initial

505
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: was it?

506
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: Because they signed me, brought me as a tryout guy

507
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: once they they wanted me to get to their building.

508
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 6: So basically, in all reality, they understood what you were

509
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 6: as a talent, but they wanted to get you in

510
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 6: there exactly.

511
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: And so long story short, I make the team. Like

512
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: you're talking about chasing during the mini count, Man, I'm

513
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: chasing dudes all over the field whip. Somebody asked who

514
00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 2: was on.

515
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 1: The who's on the team? Then who was like who

516
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: was on the rams?

517
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 2: And because that was before Yeah, yeah, Lennard was a

518
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 2: rookie dreu Tony Banks was a quarterback.

519
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 3: Tony rookie quarterback, slanging Tony Banks.

520
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: Isaac Bruce who was hold on the next year, Kevin

521
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: Carter was cart in Florida.

522
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I played with light. Light is a fool? Yes,

523
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: what do you play with here? He played here with me?

524
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: You played with Keith Keith Loud keithly Live was on

525
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 2: the team.

526
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 4: Talking about Boogie Lawyer.

527
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Keith might if he today, he would have some

528
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 2: Gucci shoes on the on the NFL.

529
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 3: Easy coming to meet with his nose.

530
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: What am I doing here with you? Yeah, that's exactly

531
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 2: Trey Nick is what we call. Yeah, that's how my mind.

532
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: So I'm going to there. I'm chasing dudes. The damn

533
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: film running off. I'm still chasing dudes on the field.

534
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: And one of these lines I got on number damn

535
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: sixty six six six. It's like a backup guard guard exactly. Man,

536
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: break this.

537
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: It was so bad.

538
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: My cousin asked me, whatever they get, Hell no, they

539
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: don't give me a number.

540
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 3: Yet in a half they gave me a hand.

541
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: So we're going against we in shells, like just the

542
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: little pats going through like a team period and I'm

543
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: going against the ones. So they got this guard. He

544
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: trying to make a name for it or trying to

545
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: make an exact why of me? See this dude sixty six, Yeah,

546
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 2: I understand how he so to play over, but he's

547
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: trying to drive me like the bitch, and I ain't

548
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 2: that dude. Man, I grabbed him underneath his helmet, and

549
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 2: I don't know where this strength came from. I don't

550
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: start helicopter swinging. Yeah, man, I'm Raizy dropped him on

551
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: his head and so we going at it. So the

552
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: rest of the offense alignment come running. I start swinging

553
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: on all the ass from where I'm from. You running

554
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: to the fight like.

555
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: Blow.

556
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they started calling me tyson like that was my mentality. Yeah,

557
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: this dude, y'all to talk, get it too.

558
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 4: You set the tone.

559
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that was your That was rookie minicamp. Yeah,

560
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: that was my rookie minute.

561
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 3: Cap, second practice.

562
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 4: So let me ask you this.

563
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 5: We all get into the league and it's some much

564
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 5: the switch turns on earlier. At what point did you

565
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 5: did the switch turn on that you said, you know what,

566
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 5: I can play this game and I can play at

567
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 5: a highly was it second year, third year, fourth year?

568
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: And Buffalo Bills it was rookie. We went to scrimmage

569
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 2: the Coats in preseason. Yeah. So right before the first

570
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: preseason game, we go to Indianapolis going against Peyton Manney

571
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 2: Marshall fall still with the coach and I'm living in

572
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: the backfield. I'm like, damn, I'm like the full back.

573
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm in their backfield so much. And so Jackie Slater

574
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: pro right Jackson State, he was doing the TV color

575
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: for our preseason games and he comes to me on

576
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: the sideline. He's like, man, it's glaring, how much better

577
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: you are than these guys? And so I'm still at

578
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: that point in time, I'm fourth on the depth charge. I'm,

579
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 2: you know, fight, I don't know if I'm gonna make

580
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: the team. I'm like, hey, hoping I can make the

581
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: practice squad. But when Jackie said that to me, it

582
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 2: was like.

583
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: Damn, man, yeah, yeah, he didn't have to anything.

584
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: He came up to me, He's like, man, it's glaring,

585
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: how much better you are than these dudes? I'm man.

586
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: And from there, and then did you start that rookie year?

587
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: I didn't start until So my my rookie year, I

588
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: ended up making the team as my drafted guy, myself

589
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: and the team Tony Horn.

590
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 4: Signing and he made the team.

591
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: Under contract.

592
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: That's man, I got some I'm gonna come back to that.

593
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: So I ended up making the team, one of two

594
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: undrafted guys to make the team. I'm starting on all

595
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: the special teams. People just real quick.

596
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: People understand how hard it is to make it as

597
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: an undrafted guy, Like it's so hard, everything stacked against you.

598
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, oh yeah. So like I said, I'm

599
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: fifth or fourth on the depth chart. My damn, I'm balling.

600
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm balling, feel like I've should start

601
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: his middle linebacker. But the linebacker coach like, man, you

602
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: want to go make this team as a special team

603
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: and as a nickel linebacker. So I'm he trying to

604
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: motivate me, but he's trying to give me like, hey,

605
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: this is what you got to do. But I'm pissed off,

606
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: like I'm all right, I'm better than your starter. So

607
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: I ended up making the team, end up being voted

608
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: Rookie of the the Year and a captain as a

609
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: rookie on the team for St. Louis, for Saint Louis,

610
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: captain as a special teamer, being out voters Rookie of

611
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: the Year for by my players, by the players and coaches,

612
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: by my teammates. I should say started the last game

613
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: of the season against the forty nine. They got Steve Young.

614
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: Jerry Rodders t O was there hit him for sixteen,

615
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: didn't he played the nickel, he played third, he played

616
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: not really in that game.

617
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

618
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, I was. I was, I was getting

619
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: don't getting fetch un filter right now, we know that

620
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: was so long ago. With Tom Raffman, he could have

621
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: he could have got it too. So I ended up,

622
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: you know, winning Rookie of the Year for the team

623
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: ball out last game of the season. Going back to

624
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: that signing bonus, I only signed a one year contract.

625
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: Look at you, yeah, look at you. We got an

626
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: exclusive rights free agent. I can't going there. I have

627
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: a hold out from from the from the off season workout.

628
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: You held out your first year, I said, my rookie. Yeah,

629
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you like you got drafted.

630
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: He's undrafted. And this man's like, I know, I know

631
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: you were.

632
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: When I did it, I called Charlie. I said, I

633
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: told you I'm coming back for some more money. I

634
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: thought I was playing. You're gonna give me some more money.

635
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: You're gonna give me that sign and ball that did? You?

636
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: Asked?

637
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

638
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 2: So after one day coach Romo he called me, I'm

639
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: gonna gethim. Cry Bill loved me stupid like love to

640
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: come on, come On, I'm gonna get him to take

641
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 2: care of you. They're gonna give you some money. End

642
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: up ended up breaking your boys. So funny.

643
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 6: That's just like London though, it's you know what I mean,

644
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 6: Like even a young London was doing some of the

645
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 6: things that we saw here playing with.

646
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: Us good on the chaos. Because I was I sitting there.

647
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 6: I'm like, I know London, we done did some appearances together,

648
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 6: and Lennon gonna make sure.

649
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: We get an extra dollar or two, you know what

650
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: I mean, Otia if he.

651
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 6: A part of what we're gonna get a negotiating to

652
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 6: sell me down.

653
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: Sandwich. My wife hated when I tried to negotiate. They

654
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: know we're going to negotiat expect that I don't. They

655
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: are to stop it. Listen, Yeah, it's a right, yeah yeah.

656
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: So they ended up, Uh, it broke me off and

657
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: I ended up competing for the starting job my next

658
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: second year ended up winning that job and the rest

659
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: was history. Man.

660
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: So that was and you were there for four years

661
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: starting the Super.

662
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: Bowl right starting to Super Bowl? What was that was?

663
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: What were those experiences? Like? Man? It was phenomenal When

664
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: when you look at ninety eight, we were four and twelve,

665
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: and we all have been on some you know, great

666
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 2: teams and bad teams and some bad teams. Day was terrible.

667
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: Dick Vermeil, he had just came came to the team.

668
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: It was his second year coaching. He had to weed

669
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: out a lot of you know, some of the player

670
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: that weren't weren't winners, didn't want to do it the

671
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: right way of a lot of the stuff reminds me

672
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: that you hear players complaining about EB and him coaching. Yea,

673
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: yeah and all that. That's how it was. Remember it

674
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: was back there.

675
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: Is he He doesn't really strike me as like a hearto.

676
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: Though he ain't kind of coach GiB three and a

677
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: half hour practices, but he was like, yeah, well past

678
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: both ain't no two days. We had real two days

679
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: for three and a half hour practices and a hundred degrees.

680
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: This this guy did ever tell a sertas summer of

681
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: my rookie year, sitting in the locker room, man got

682
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: two a days, tired whatever. And the way we did

683
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: it when I first got here was like we had

684
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: a rookie practice at like five thirty am, becoming half breakfasts,

685
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: and we'd go out and practice with you guys, and

686
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: we'd have a walkthrough and I was like dragging a

687
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: little bit, and Fletch came and talked to the rookies

688
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: like you know what, I was rookie and we're like, no,

689
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Fletcher's we had three days. We didn't even think twice

690
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: about it. And then and then I found out this

691
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: dude led about it.

692
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: Don't rode a good still. I had to motivation. But

693
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: we did have two of days, and but so many

694
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: guys who had been there for so long were complaining

695
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: that heyes, working is too hard. You know, I'm dragging

696
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: out having the energy y'all. Having won. Though Coachmill had

697
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: taken the Eagles to the Super Bowl back in the day,

698
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: he knew what it took to get able to win it.

699
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: So I look at the same way when I look

700
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: at Eb and all this stuff that he's been to

701
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: multiple super bowl he knows what. Yeah. So you know, hell,

702
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: coach wanted to if Vermia want to practice three and

703
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: a half hours a day, twice a day, I'm out

704
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: there practicing twice a day. But as far as the

705
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: team building we went through that that period of ninety

706
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: eight terrible. Next year we go we we hit go,

707
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: we get trade for Marshall Fall draft Tory home. Adam

708
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: Timman was a free agent pick, acquisition under very underrated

709
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner, mergers as a as a quarterback, and we

710
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: end up winning the Super Bowl. But it was more

711
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: about the journey that started for me once I got

712
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: there in ninety eight, but for some other guys in

713
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: ninety seven, having gone through the tough time and building

714
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: it up. And it's not even about you know, we

715
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: want to host, the host the trophy and the confetti

716
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: and celebrate that moment, But it's those times where you're

717
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: going through the grind, griding and like you're you're practicing

718
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: all those times, all that all those hours and you're

719
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: not winning, like, but you stick stick with it, and

720
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: when you when you achieved that ultimate goal, it's not

721
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: a better feeling in the world.

722
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me ask you this.

723
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 5: You play for a ton of coaches, defensive coordinator, ton

724
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 5: of coaches.

725
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: Who's your favorite? Who's your favorite?

726
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: Man?

727
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 5: If you had to pick a decoordinator, Hey, hey, we

728
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 5: all got to have favorites.

729
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: My favorite is one we played with. Yah.

730
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: It's funny. Somebody just asked me this question on Saturday.

731
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: Who's my favorite? Who they asked me was my best

732
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: defensive coach I played for? I'll ask you the question

733
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: like this. Greg had a great feel of how to

734
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: call a game. Greg Willie. I love him, Yeah, Greg. Greg. Also,

735
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: he's a psychology major and he knows how to push.

736
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: He pushed the buttons of everybody. He's going he's gonna

737
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: have us so confident to where it don't matter who

738
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: we are going against. Yeah, we're gonna pose our will

739
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: on them, like we're not.

740
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: We don't change for you.

741
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: How do you do that? Though? Like?

742
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: What were the technique?

743
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: Like that was like the conversation the Hey, if we

744
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: were going against the Dolphins offense, like he gonna have

745
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: us like they don't. He gonna have them fearing us. Well,

746
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: he's gonna have us like this. We're gonna be aggressive.

747
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: We're not gonna be reactive, We're gonna be proactive. Yeah.

748
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: So he's gonna like throughout the meetings, Hey, this is

749
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: what we're doing. We do this. We're gonna attack him.

750
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna take advantage of this guy. This is when

751
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna double We're gonna double team him,

752
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: like we ain't about to let him Tyreek Hill do nothing.

753
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: Were doubling him, start, start tear. You know, we doubling

754
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: this guy and if somebody else giving the problem in

755
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: that game, we need to switch that. We're gonna double

756
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 2: him or Hey, you know it's just throughout the week

757
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: how to how to detone in the meetings, like so

758
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: by the time we get into that game, we're so

759
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: confident and our abilities, like we we're not losing this game,

760
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: not on defense. We're gonna We're gonna do that. So

761
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: Greg was that guy. Dick Lebo came to Buffalo for

762
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: one year as the He was the assistant head coach

763
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: in charge of defense. Jerry Gray, who was once here

764
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: the oracle, Yeah, the oracle. He just asked me why

765
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: we call him the oracle.

766
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 5: Being on our sideline with Jerry there, Because we are

767
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 5: Jerry and Greg.

768
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: So we go through these route comingations all week.

769
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 5: Jerry be like sitting on the sideline while I'm in corner. Oh,

770
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 5: they're gonna run a comeback for They're gonna run a

771
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 5: comeback for you.

772
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: Next you know, they running the leg I believe in

773
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: your coming back. I'm looking at him, Hey, you should

774
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: you should have trust your.

775
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: So Jerry, Jerry the oracle. He was all knowing, Yeah,

776
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: great guy, great, great coach man coaches butt off. But

777
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: Jerry So, Jerry was a decordinator. He had been a

778
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: decordinator before le Bou got there. And but they elevated

779
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: Lebo the boat to over the defense. Jerry Steel was

780
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: the coordinator. Yeah, but we changed everything up. We had

781
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: a blend of Dick Lebow's fire zones and Jerry Gray's

782
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: come from Ruby packages and the Penny package, the aggressive

783
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: blitzes and all the man you're talking about rolling oh man,

784
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: But Dick Lebow, if we're putting there, if he's putting

785
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: in the fire zone, he's gonna explain it so thoroughly

786
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: to where as a d lineman, you got your dropping,

787
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: you're gonna understand your job. And he was saying, hey,

788
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: if they run this, they'll get us. If they run

789
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: us play, they'll get us. But nine times out of

790
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: ten they ain't gonna have tie. So he's gonna broke

791
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: He's broken down their protection so well. And he also

792
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: was saying he's let guys know if this happens, don't

793
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: get frustrat. Hey they got us, they got us don't

794
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: worry about it. But nine times ten they ain't gonna

795
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: have time for that. It's just his ability to call

796
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: a game like he didn't really he didn't overstep Jerry

797
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: too often, except one time we were getting ready to

798
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: go out there against in the defense of two minutes

799
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: on two minute drill in the game and we're getting

800
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: ready to go. Jerry had called the entire game that

801
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: one time. Jay did go, Jay say, hold up, I

802
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: got this man because it drop ye man. But Jeff,

803
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: that was him. But just of his mind, his defensive knowledge,

804
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: he's the best that I've ever been around. He's the best.

805
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 4: Tell me, tell me this because something of that.

806
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 6: Men you've probably talked about on the Players Club or

807
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 6: just talked about, you know, off camera, when was the.

808
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: Time that you actually thought about Hall of Fame?

809
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: You know?

810
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 6: I mean, I've shared with you that as a player,

811
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 6: I never played the game you thought about Super Bowl.

812
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: I thought more Super Bowl. Team.

813
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 4: I was always a team minded guy.

814
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 6: And then over time when I started seeing my numbers

815
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 6: and in your ears, guys like hey, you get ten thousand, ten,

816
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 6: you can be mentioned, you know what I mean. So

817
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 6: I'm like, Okay, now I have something I have a

818
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 6: bar to try to reach for, you know what I mean?

819
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: When was that?

820
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 6: Well, when when did you hear about the numbers you

821
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 6: can probably you know, accumulate as a linebacker when it

822
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 6: comes to tackle sacks or whatever it may be.

823
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 4: And what was the bar you was trying to chase?

824
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: Man, as we all we all played. When you're in it,

825
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: you know you're not you're thinking like that, Yeah you're not.

826
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: You're so concerned about trying to play your best to

827
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: help your temp team out. Even you know, making the

828
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl was obviously a goal every year prior to

829
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: the season, making our pros. But once you get into

830
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, I want to just play play the

831
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: best football that I can play. As far as Hall

832
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 2: of Fame goes, it didn't. It probably didn't start even

833
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: I didn't even start thinking about it. Maybe man, I

834
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: had my twelfth year or something like. Real, lad, I

835
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: had accumulated so many my stuff. You know, Hell, it

836
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: took me so long to make my first Pro Bowl. Yeah,

837
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: so you know, so.

838
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: They weren't giving you just do DN. You was like,

839
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 3: we're gonna give.

840
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: Me my just dude, exactly.

841
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: You almost feel like I did.

842
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 6: Because I feel like at times when I was I

843
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 6: guess you can say an alternate for the Pro Bowl.

844
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 6: Early in my career I was. I was alternate twice.

845
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 6: I was for the second year thirty I'm like, oh,

846
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 6: this is gonna be. Then I finally got in my

847
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 6: fifth year here, my first year here. It was my

848
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 6: first year getting in. And then you have those years

849
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 6: where you're like, man, I should have be alternate at least, yeah,

850
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 6: and then so you're like, man, you know, so I

851
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 6: never even thought about even that type of stuff because

852
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 6: you hate, especially in my position is so much different

853
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 6: from you guys being the defensive guys. But I feel

854
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 6: what you're saying about even thinking about that because you

855
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 6: don't even think about because you want to be the

856
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 6: best you can be for your team, and at the

857
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 6: end of the day, of that falls in line with

858
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 6: everything else, then you cool with it.

859
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: Talking just speaking about the alternative Pro Bowl. So my

860
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: first year, starting second in the league, we had, uh,

861
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: we're top five defense in the league, one of the

862
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: highest right in the NFC. We had we were dominant

863
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: group and you know, I bought.

864
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: Out desht mccleon was part of that group too.

865
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: That was part of that crew. And so when we

866
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: finally they do the Pro Bowl announcements and we're in

867
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: the big team meeting room and coach Ramillis is naming

868
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: all the Pro Bowlers and then the All tenancy and whatever.

869
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: So you get to my name, and you know, y'all

870
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: kind of get the idea what my personality was like,

871
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: especially as a young young flet Yeah. So he's like, uh,

872
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: Lendon Fletcher, second alternate, and so he counted me and

873
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: he's like, hey, congratulations, man, I need to be star.

874
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: I should be starting. Then it was true because the

875
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: guys who were ahead of me, one guy had missed

876
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: half the season.

877
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: But he was on the winning team.

878
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: No, not, he had he had been multiple time. One.

879
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: Uh it was Jesse Tuggle, I believe Atlanta Falcons. Yeah,

880
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: I think Jesse and Jesse was a ball.

881
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 4: It was also like that.

882
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: He Jesse was a dominant player, like he he inspired

883
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: me because he was an undersized guy. But that year

884
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: Jesse missed half the season. Yeah, and then Stephen Boyd

885
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: from the Lions, man Steven boy couldn't beat the Jason

886
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: and John like, come on, man, are we really looking

887
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: at you looking at this dude to say he was

888
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: a better player than me. Come on, let's let's be

889
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 2: real here. So you know it pissed me off. Yeah

890
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: that was good, and I'm gonna take it off and

891
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: take it out on the rest of the guys. And

892
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: I told him me didn't come asking me about it. Hey, London,

893
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: you ain't make the probo. That's how I'm gonna take

894
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: it out on the rest of these rest of these opponents.

895
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: And this this was I said this my third year,

896
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: fourth year, fourth year, third year. It happens again. We

897
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: got the number one ranked defense in the NFC. I'm

898
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: alternate again. I got I got like four pigs, like, yeah,

899
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna make the probo. All right, that's all right.

900
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it out of my opponents and we're

901
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: gonna be celebrating and we're going to the super Bowl.

902
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you think you didn't make the Pro Bowl?

903
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: Was it?

904
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: Just like guys were established politics. It's it's the politics

905
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: of it. It's the market makes a difference. Like if

906
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: you're in Saint Louis. We had a lot of attention

907
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: because our offense was the greatest shaw on turn so

908
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: they're bringing a lot of attention. We had a lot

909
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: of national games, but the the majority of the media

910
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: attention was to the offense. People didn't until I just

911
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: told you that we had the number one ranked defense

912
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: in the NFC. One you never would have known because

913
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: people watch we were a number one ranked defense in

914
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: the NFC, Like, well, I think that's you're ball. But

915
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: it's it's the just the popularity aspect of it is

916
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: the market, it's all those types of things that come

917
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: into playoffs if guys have gone multiple times prior to that.

918
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: So it's uh, it's you know, it's any salesmanship.

919
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 5: The one thing I can say about you, you just

920
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 5: went playing football. You was not about selling London Fletcher

921
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 5: to anybody.

922
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: And I was a prick back then to know I was,

923
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: I was, I was. I said I was a jerk.

924
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: I was a prick on the field back then. Like

925
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: I was like, I ain't no friends on the other

926
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: team agitate her. I'm like, I'm gonna send message shots.

927
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: That's that. Like, I wasn't trying to make friends. I

928
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 2: wasn't trying to lobby for a pro bo wo. Yeah,

929
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm I'm trying to take you.

930
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 4: You had that looking at face mask though to that.

931
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: So obviously after she got to go to Buffalo and

932
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: then you come here, so like talk about real quick,

933
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: maybe briefly Buffalo, but like we want to talk about

934
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: your time in Washington.

935
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 3: Yea Wizards games.

936
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: Mood was on our free agency. Greg told me bring

937
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: a suit. I'm gonna bring two suits. Greg, just the case,

938
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: but so sign to hear the best decision I made

939
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: in my life. I always wanted to play in a

940
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: big market. I grew up watching the Burgety and go

941
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: watching the Redskins. It meant a lot to me to

942
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: be able to represent the team, to represent the organization,

943
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: to to to to put on that uniform. I say this,

944
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: if I had played my entire career in Washington and

945
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: put up the numbers that I put up, been in

946
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: the Hall of fall Man first ballot, because I would

947
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: have been in multiple Pro Bowls. I would have been

948
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: in ten twelve Pro Bowls, made multiple First Team All

949
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: Pros because of the market, the exposure that if I

950
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: put those numbers up in the Burgundy and goal that

951
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: in time, it's it's easy ballot, first ballot. But it

952
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: was man. We didn't win as much as I would

953
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: had liked us to be to win. But you know,

954
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: great group of guys. We just couldn't put it all

955
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: together all at the same time, like just for a

956
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: for a long period of time. But we had we

957
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: had an identity. We're gonna be a physical football team,

958
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: like especially as the coach gets like, we were gonna

959
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: beat you up, your buddy, Like we had a physical mindset.

960
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: Big guys, We're gonna press, We're gonna get in your

961
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 2: face defensively and pose our will on you. We weren't gonna,

962
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: you know, let you dictate to us. So it was, man,

963
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: it was they brought me in here to be a leader.

964
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: And you know, I wish I had got a chance

965
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: to play longer with Sean Taylor like that was that

966
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: was your first man. Man man shown shot would have

967
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: did some great things.

968
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 3: Listen, it was great.

969
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: We were too alpha males. We don't know if you remember,

970
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: we got into argument with the argument take them through that.

971
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: So we uh. Then we started the season. I forget.

972
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: I think we started off to or No and we're

973
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: getting ready to play the Giants and we're kind of

974
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 2: going through the motions and practice and guys were dropping

975
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: passes and whatever, and Shah, I thought, I go off,

976
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: you know about not focus and all that type of

977
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: show stuff. Sean thought I was talking about him.

978
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hadn't even.

979
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: Noticed that he had dropped because it was actually during

980
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: a special teams period, I think, and I think he

981
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: may have been back there, both of us was back,

982
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: so he thought I was talking about him. I hadn't

983
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: even seen him drop the punt. But I'm just really

984
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: just like, hey talking, let's get let's just get focused.

985
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: So he come on the sideline, we get into an argument.

986
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna back down. He ain't gonna back down. Yeah,

987
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: And it took it took blue Foot to be like

988
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: flash Man, just let him leave it, let him have

989
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: and for me, like it's like, you know what, all right,

990
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna stand down. But like I was pissed.

991
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: I was still pissing the next day, Like that, just

992
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: don't get it twisted. I know if that was you.

993
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 3: You you was one of the few players I ever

994
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: been around that can restart practice.

995
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: You.

996
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 6: You, you was one of you knew the posts and

997
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 6: team you wh we wanted that one day that I

998
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 6: looked at him my seat at the same time, I

999
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 6: was like, we do need it.

1000
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: But what the hell about all we have blue foot, Like,

1001
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 2: look at this snitch. But so just in the next

1002
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: day of the team I'm still hot, like that's just me.

1003
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: Help me and Shan never talked again. It would have

1004
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: been okay because I was that hot. And so he

1005
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: come up to me after the team meeting, He's like,

1006
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: you put us all around everything, everything good. He had

1007
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: to break down, he had to be the bigger guy

1008
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: because you know, that's just but we had it was

1009
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: two alpha man, that personality. It's fine, but man, we

1010
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: did have did some great things man, because him on

1011
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: the back end, me on on that in that front arm, I.

1012
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 5: Think we was only think we were missing with the

1013
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 5: elite defensive lineman.

1014
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, like somebody that you got to pay attention to.

1015
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: We had, we had.

1016
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 6: We had a lot of guys, different guys in the

1017
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 6: back end, and you had London and London we had too.

1018
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 5: Good.

1019
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 6: And that's a guy who I used to get mad

1020
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 6: about the coaches. I'm like, man, do y'all forgot what

1021
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 6: he did for us?

1022
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1023
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 6: It was easy a pro bowler, and then they changed

1024
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 6: the position and made him be somebody else in the locker.

1025
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and why as an outside linebacker Russia. We needed

1026
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: to his point, we needed one more guy. If we

1027
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: would have had a healthy Griff, Yeah, was beat up

1028
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: most of the Conelius Griffin because by the time I

1029
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: got here, I remember watching Griff in two thousand and four. Man,

1030
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: he was.

1031
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 4: Giants animal.

1032
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: If we would have got that guy, Oh man, me Shine,

1033
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: what play?

1034
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 5: If you had to say one play signifies your career.

1035
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: When I think of you when they.

1036
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 5: Say learning flick to me, I think of you diving

1037
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 5: over the ill, you know, like nine of us going

1038
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 5: into the end. Though, if you had to have one

1039
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 5: play that you like when you think of your career,

1040
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 5: one play that just comes to mind of it was

1041
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 5: all worth. This was the play that signified we know Towns.

1042
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: He can't run from it, man, because we talked about it.

1043
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: Not even that.

1044
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 4: No, I'm just talking about going ahead.

1045
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: One play. I won't don't see some people. Yeah, yeah,

1046
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: I will say this. I won't even say one play.

1047
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: I think I'll say one series, so to speak. We're

1048
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: playing the Browns. I think it was two thousand and eight.

1049
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: All right, all right, I'm here, I'm here with you,

1050
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: and we got a goal line stance and we're going

1051
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: against the Brown. I think they got a first and

1052
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: first to go inside on five and I had to

1053
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: think they run and play Jamal Lewis hitting bang first down,

1054
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: they try to give hit him again. They go third down,

1055
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: they try to flow plass, try to get in the

1056
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: flat on the summer. I break the pass up on

1057
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: the third play. And then the fourth play fourth down,

1058
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: I think I want to say Zoe made a play.

1059
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: It was Lorenzo. We had to play, so we had

1060
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: a great fourth down goal line stands. Yeah, and that

1061
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: kind of and it was against Cleveland, My you're wrong, Yeah, yeah,

1062
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: And I just remember like the feeling of our crowd,

1063
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: like just felt like gladiators, like we're defending. Yeah, we

1064
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: were at home right now, protecting our home. And the

1065
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: fact that I was able to be on three of

1066
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 2: those plays, that that sequence of plays kind of stands

1067
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: out the most to me. I mean, It's been other plays,

1068
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: but that those sequence of plays.

1069
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think I always have those moments that

1070
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 5: you just remember, like how I feel in that moment

1071
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 5: and didn't making it play.

1072
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1073
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: Sure, the other thing we're getting along in this segment,

1074
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: but I gotta ask you, no, no, no, no, no no,

1075
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: it was great. The thing I want to ask you

1076
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: about is didn't miss a game in your career And

1077
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: that's something that like, I mean.

1078
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 3: I didn't watch him drag his legs watching just like

1079
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: like like.

1080
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: Tennis at this the other day. And I think this

1081
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: is something really profound, is like I saw a dude

1082
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: stubb their toe in miss game like just on some

1083
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: accidental stuff.

1084
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: And so did play with shutters for you?

1085
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: For you, where does that come from? And how did

1086
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: you how did you get to that point where you

1087
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: were like, I'm not missing.

1088
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: It stands from my upbringing, just knowing just going through

1089
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: what I got, what I went through to get to

1090
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: the NFL, and I'm not not even get to the

1091
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: NFL here to get graduate high school, graduate college.

1092
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 5: Man.

1093
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: A lot of inner cities, man, we get when you

1094
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: walk out that door. It's a lot of hell. Sometimes

1095
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: even inside the house. It's so much that you go

1096
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: through to make it to where you know, I just

1097
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: my skin had been callous, my body had been callous

1098
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: to where I was just ingrained like I'm playing like regardless,

1099
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: if I can play in this game, they can physically

1100
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: allow me to get to this game and play. You

1101
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: shoot shoot me up with a novacaine or whatever. I'm

1102
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: playing in this game, and when I step between these lines,

1103
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm not using excuses either, like I'm holding myself to

1104
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: the same standard, like I'm here, I'm not, I'm not. Yes,

1105
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: I just man, I love playing, I love being out

1106
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: there with my teammates. I just love football.

1107
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 6: I feel his pain, man, because I was one of

1108
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 6: those guys that my position is different, I have to

1109
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 6: perform a little differently, you know what I mean.

1110
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 4: Like that's a defensive guy that as.

1111
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 6: The linebacker, and you can probably have one of two

1112
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 6: things broadly, you still make the tackle receiver. I gotta run,

1113
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 6: I got to get away from people. But it was

1114
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 6: that time when I just it hurted me to, you know,

1115
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 6: to just miss. And but what he said about growing up,

1116
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 6: his upbringing, like that was my number one goal when

1117
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 6: I made it. I'm not just gonna be on them

1118
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 6: by the team got to do and I want to

1119
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 6: respect from home because I feel like, if I make it,

1120
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 6: these guys got to be able to say he's one

1121
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 6: of the best on that team.

1122
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: I care.

1123
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 6: That's about the lead. I wanted to be identified by

1124
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 6: my team, you know what I mean, Because I didn't.

1125
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 6: It's all I can control. I want to be one

1126
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 6: of the best on that team.

1127
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: I hate that's why.

1128
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 2: But to it anyway, I only miss two games. That's

1129
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: pretty good.

1130
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: Only wait, was there was ever a moment where you thought,

1131
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm not gonna be able to do it

1132
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: this week?

1133
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, multiple, multiple times, just thinking about I

1134
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 2: had a foot injury here. I had a called aqboy fracture.

1135
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: Was that in twelve or thirteen? Because I remember thirteen,

1136
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: you were like you that was the first time you

1137
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: think it was.

1138
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: That might have been eleven, it was, I can't remember exactly.

1139
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 2: We played Seattle out of Seattle during the regular season.

1140
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, eleven.

1141
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 3: We played savery year for something.

1142
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 2: I broke my hand that year. We beat them.

1143
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 6: No, we beat them, we did out there, So it

1144
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 6: might have been twenty ten eleven we beat them, I

1145
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 6: think no one of them used we beat them two ten.

1146
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, But so we played eleven and.

1147
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: I fractured my cuboy out of Seattle and my foot

1148
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: was man, it was the biggest one. I'm like, in

1149
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: no way, I'm gonna be able to play in this

1150
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: game the next week, and then you know, I'm going

1151
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: through the treatments and all that, and even I walked

1152
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: to the I come to the game game and walking

1153
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: to the stadium with a boot on, like, man, I

1154
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm being able to play. Streak about

1155
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: to be over. They uh they injected that area. Uh

1156
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 2: my damn foot. I couldn't feel it for the first

1157
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: but by the time, by the time, uh, you know,

1158
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 2: it got going, I was able to make it happen. Man.

1159
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 2: So that was that was probably as close as I

1160
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: came to to missing the game. I've had like hamstrings

1161
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: and yeah everyone, yeah through everything.

1162
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: According to him, man, you had every bad injury. Like

1163
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: I remember sitting I thought, I told these guys other day,

1164
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: like I've be sitting in the training room with like

1165
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: a grade two a C like I did grade three.

1166
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: I didn't miss a snap. That's like that's I tore

1167
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: min all the way through and I just prayed.

1168
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 4: Going there be like you know, my heart skipped to me.

1169
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 3: They took my heart out laying.

1170
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: I still got a toll.

1171
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: And this.

1172
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: Man like Oprah Rifford, he would not let you one

1173
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 3: up here. I don't think I.

1174
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: Got an a cl.

1175
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,600
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Speaker 2: I got it?

1190
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Speaker 6: Be twenty one plus and physically located in Virginia. Please

1191
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,880
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Speaker 3: You're talking about my read voice. He switched up right.

1194
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: He's consistent.

1195
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 4: That'd be the same thing for me, the same tone.

1196
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 6: He wanted to give a you know, a dog on

1197
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 6: deep one one day, then he give the high pitch

1198
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 6: one day, and then you know London got a hell.

1199
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Speaker 2: Know what boys he gave you Try to show me

1200
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 2: show off range.

1201
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 3: Hey man, I got range.

1202
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 4: Ain't not wrong with that what you got.

1203
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm ready here. I've just got a text from our producer,

1204
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: just making sure we're on schedule here. So we're doing

1205
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: comparing greatness. So there's two players, player A, who's someone

1206
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: you may or may not know, and then player B,

1207
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: who's a random person who is in the Hall of Fame.

1208
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: And so we were gonna compare some numbers here, and

1209
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna say who should be in the Hall of Fame,

1210
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: Player A, player B. And we're not gonna be biased

1211
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: here at all. Yeah, okay, So player A, Yeah, yeah,

1212
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty six games, Player B two hundred

1213
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: and sixty eight games.

1214
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: Player A.

1215
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: Two thousand, thirty nine tackles. That's a lot of tackles.

1216
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: Player B one hundred and forty seven. So better for

1217
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: player A. And then interceptions Player A twenty three, Player

1218
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: B eighteen. Now those I mean, I think the comparison

1219
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: favors player player A a little bit, right, except for

1220
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: games played.

1221
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so well who is play A B?

1222
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that.

1223
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: You finished. You gotta finish reading the rest of it, though, Yeah,

1224
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: I can't.

1225
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: I just read the interceptions. I can't. We're saving those,

1226
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: for sure.

1227
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: I was not the Pro Bowls and all that either.

1228
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: No, not the Pro Bows, Ken, I thought you wanted

1229
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: just focus on it. I thought you were saving those

1230
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: for the other show. All right, So Pro Bowls four,

1231
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: the other guy's got twelve, All Pro two, the other

1232
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: guy's got nine.

1233
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: Lord have mercy. Yeah, I mean I'll go first. Just

1234
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: looking at that, I will say player B. When you

1235
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: look at the who you think player B is? Because

1236
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: to me, that sound like no, no, it sounds like

1237
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: Mike Singletary to me, No, No, that's not Singletary.

1238
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting his name.

1239
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: Well, twelve Pro Bowls not all pros? Is it? Sam?

1240
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 4: No, it's Saal.

1241
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you ready, Yeah,

1242
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: it's Junior Sea. Okay, So Junior say, obviously very good

1243
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: football player. And I do think like that's one thing

1244
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: about the this that I think is really interesting and

1245
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about this more in

1246
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: the first segment. But the Pro Bowls, man, because that's

1247
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: the thing. I feel like that is the the deciding

1248
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: factor here, right, because I look at tackles, I look

1249
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: at games played, I look at interceptions, and I wouldn't

1250
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: have thought, honestly that your career was that much more

1251
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: statistically dominant compared to sau Right, and he even played

1252
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: more games than you. And so I look at that

1253
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: and I say to myself, the difference there is the

1254
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: public notoriety during the career, and you talked about a

1255
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: little bit when you're talking about the market and how

1256
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: like if you've been here the whole time, it would

1257
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: have been completely different. I just feel like you didn't

1258
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: get the pub and.

1259
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 5: Say out from what I know from the people that

1260
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 5: played with him, he was never one of the people

1261
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 5: that was held accountable like London.

1262
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: Like London play different type of say I'll just go.

1263
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, I say, I was an animal.

1264
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: And so yeah, what did you think of sales game?

1265
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean obviously you played, but he he.

1266
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: Would blitz what he was God rest god. So but

1267
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: Junior was a he was a playmaker with somebody. Offenses

1268
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: had to you had to worry about it. You got

1269
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: a game plan because he was so unpredictable. You don't

1270
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: know what he was gonna do. But yeah, when when

1271
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: you look at the Pro Bowls and All Pro those

1272
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: are things that it's not necessarily what happened on the field.

1273
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: It's a fast it's a popularity contest. You know, the

1274
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: All Pros. Even the writers vote on that. They're influenced by,

1275
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: you know what they hear the media exposure as well.

1276
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: But just looking at that, yeah, you're gonna say, all right.

1277
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 5: So I think they inspired by low hanging fruit, like

1278
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 5: they make the easy choices by the guys that did

1279
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 5: it the year.

1280
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: Before, and they and they you know, he had what

1281
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: let's call it, seventeen more sacks to mean that's that's

1282
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: people love the sacks.

1283
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: But uh, I don't look at I guess.

1284
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: I did. I did? I have some nice sacks and picks.

1285
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: You did a great job, man. I don't think anyone's

1286
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: disputing your career. It's just I think it's just so

1287
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: funny because I get I think in people's minds it's like,

1288
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: here's Junior Seou, here's London Fletcher. But when you look

1289
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: at the numbers. Yeah, and I was gonna ask you

1290
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: before we get to the next player, is who was

1291
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: the guy that was like your biggest rival during your era?

1292
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: The guy that you were like he gets a little

1293
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: bit of pub or I'm like chasing him a little bit,

1294
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: or he's chasing me, Like was there a guy like that?

1295
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: Heh? I only I shoot for the top one, Lewis,

1296
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: you know, just I'm all I was gunning for right

1297
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: when I was in an f C and then when

1298
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: I was in the n f CLA was the one

1299
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: that he was always the guy. He's going to the

1300
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. Everybody else is competing for that one spot.

1301
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 1: How do you think you compared to those guys?

1302
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 4: Oh?

1303
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, right in the right. I mean that's probably better

1304
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 2: and somebody and if you want to like just numbers aside,

1305
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: I don't think, man, what I was able to do

1306
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 2: on that football field in terms of the coverage aspect,

1307
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: especially Hell, my last four years, I cover more receivers

1308
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 2: than than smooking I was. I could play in any scheme, Yeah,

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01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: playing any type of coverage scheme like covering, running back

1310
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Speaker 2: to the backfield, tight ends receivers down like and I'm

1311
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: gonna produce. I don't you know nothing against anybody else

1312
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: but me. You're flexing what I did?

1313
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So one A two games played right tackles two

1314
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: thousand and thirty nine. I think we know who that is.

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01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: One thousand, three hundred and sixty one for player B

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Speaker 1: Okay and then sacks thirty nine for player A, forty

1317
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: one for player B, interceptions twenty three for player A,

1318
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: twenty two for player B, Pro Bowls for player A,

1319
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: player B seven. So do you know who player B is?

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01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: Is that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's great.

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01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 4: I've done him in pretty much everything.

1322
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: Was a great player. He was. He deserved to be

1323
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. I deserve to be in Yah,

1324
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: you don't think about it.

1325
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 3: He was first balllet and get made.

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01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: Makes it's interesting looking at these numbers though, and again

1327
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,479
Speaker 1: like just because his his his career was so much shorter,

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01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: but his impacts seemed very high in certain years like

1329
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: high interceptions, high sack ratios. You know what I'm saying,

1330
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: super Bowl run. They did the Super Bowl run that

1331
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: was led by the defense.

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01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: I want a Super Bowl. I know you did. I

1333
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 2: know you did.

1334
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: But what would you say to someone who's making the

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01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: argument I'm making.

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Speaker 2: You're making that argument but not playing playing in Chicago

1337
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: with the line linebacker history. I played, I played in

1338
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: his game, and I you know he was defensive Player

1339
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: of the Year one year, and he had a great year.

1340
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: But the numbers hell I produced had an extremely high

1341
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: consistently consistently.

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Speaker 5: They covered two scheme yeah yeah, Tampa two Yeah, the

1343
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 5: Temple two Diday.

1344
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: It was his own base game for the you know,

1345
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: great player not to.

1346
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 5: Get And like you said, he deserves to be in,

1347
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 5: but I started to be in. But the question he

1348
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 5: is I can say this about London. It ain't no coverage.

1349
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: He can't not play.

1350
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: The question is what about Erlach if you take him

1351
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 3: out of their cover two?

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01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: Who is he?

1353
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: And so this one this we're gonna skip to the

1356
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: last player here just as we're kind of short on time.

1357
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: And this is interesting to me, and so obviously Fletch

1358
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty six games played, Player B one twelve Okay,

1359
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: tackles twenty three hundred and two thousand and thirty nine

1360
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: for Fletch, one hundred and fifty for player B right

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01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: nine fifty. Sorry, sorry, I'm sorry. I've got a lot

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01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: of reading to do, Bro, and I got all the

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01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: lines on this paper. Okay sacks thirty nine for player A,

1364
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: twenty point five for player B. Interceptions twenty three for Fletch,

1365
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: eight for player B. Pro Bowls, four for Much, seven

1366
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: for player B. You know who player BE is.

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01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, but hell, that's this should be my

1368
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 2: case right there.

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01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: Wheel It's uh, it's gotta be Pat Wheeler's short career.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, And obviously Pat was like the linebacker.

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Speaker 1: He was very sexy for a while in the media.

1372
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like.

1373
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 2: People, another great player, played on some great defenses.

1374
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 4: But eight years ain't enough.

1375
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, eight years enough? The bottom line there, So I saw.

1376
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: You're so no, no, you're shaking your head. What are

1377
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: you thinking about?

1378
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: You're shaking your head a battle because I'm not. I'm not.

1379
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 3: I don't.

1380
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: All these guys are deserving, deserving of being in the

1381
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame. None of them are more

1382
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: deserving than me. That's what I'll say.

1383
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: And so I think that's a good argument.

1384
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 3: No, I say it. He got half of everything he got.

1385
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 3: What what are you talking about? But hot name San Francisco.

1386
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 3: It works, it's sexiest and.

1387
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: They were they were. That was when they were really

1388
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: real harbaught at the time. Yeah all right, so last

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01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: segment here, and remember what is the segment. We are

1390
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: a segment. Sorry, okay, here we go. We're giving Fletch's flowers.

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01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: And this is the segment presented by Northwest Federal Credit Union,

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01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: the official credit union of the Washington Commanders. Stop searching,

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,440
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01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,560
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Speaker 1: branch or visit NWFCU dot org slash Washington today. All right,

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01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: so this segment is pretty straightforward. We're gonna go around

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01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: until a story about Fletch and why you should be

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01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame and kind of why we

1400
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: think kind of we're gonna make our own case for

1401
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: why he should be in the Hall of Fame. And

1402
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: we just went through the numbers, and but there's more

1403
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: to it than just the numbers.

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01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 2: I want you to be my lawyer. I might go

1405
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: with what we do out of Gary, out of Florida

1406
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: lawyer which his last name is Gay. He won big cases.

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01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh yes, sir guy. Well, we're gonna work in the present.

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01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna be Larriyors right now. We're gonna present our

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01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: cases and you say, hey, man, I want you to present.

1410
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: So who wants you to go first? Freddie want to

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01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: go first?

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Speaker 3: All right, no problem.

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01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 5: I started out with my story. I remember the first

1414
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 5: time I met him. He came on his recruiting visit here.

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01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 5: We was at the Wizards game, and I remember walking in.

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01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 5: I was like, well, who the hell is Papa smurf

1417
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 5: Over that?

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01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: You know who he was?

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01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 3: I knew who he was because.

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01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 5: They had already let me know that so much hater

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01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 5: breaking in London, but we see it. We talked, we

1422
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 5: chopped it up and like instant that this is one

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01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 5: thing I can say about London, and it's gonna be true.

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01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 5: Hell of a football player, we always know that hell

1425
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 5: of a football player, but a hell of a person.

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Speaker 5: Because I've met football players that they just ain't good people,

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 5: especially when they had good stuff in their career.

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01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 4: They kind of held the things themselves.

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01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 5: They kind of be so consumed with theyself, they ain't

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01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 5: worried about nobody else. The person, and to me is

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01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame more than the athlete. So I

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01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 5: say this about this he go. His condition for the

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01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 5: Hall of fame played longer, play strong, got the numbers,

1434
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 5: got the consistency, hell of a teammate, hell of a leader.

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Speaker 3: What else do you need to be in a hall

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01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 3: of fame?

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01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 4: The only thing I'm hoping is they don't miss his

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 4: bus up because it.

1439
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 3: Could be easy to miss his bus that the number

1440
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 3: wasn't there.

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01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 5: The history is there, and if you talk to the

1442
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 5: end of his teammates, the respect is there.

1443
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 3: You need nothing else to be a hall of fame

1444
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 3: in this league.

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01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: So I guess for me, I think that's a great argument,

1446
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: and I would agree with everything you said. I think

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01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: the thing for me is like there's a standard, a

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01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: standard of being professional football player. And when I came

1449
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: into the league in twenty ten, I was an undrafted

1450
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: free agent, and there was no one that exemplified the

1451
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: standard of what it meant to be a professional football

1452
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: player better than number fifty nine. Like the way he

1453
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: came to practice, the way he worked, he was the

1454
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: perfect role model, right, And I think about like you

1455
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: talked about the person, right, and just the guy that

1456
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: was consistent at what he did for the entirety that

1457
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: I knew him. Like I remember the first day went

1458
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: to practice, you know, I was twenty four years old.

1459
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: I was doing my whole warm up we're doing doing

1460
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: team run or something like that, and this dude, I

1461
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't know the team really that well,

1462
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: we're doing team run. He comes and he mid a linebacker,

1463
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: runs out, tackles Clinton Portis, does like a freaking front roll,

1464
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: jumps up and sprints back to the huddle. And that

1465
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: was the first impression I had in him. And then

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01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: every day from that point on, it was the same

1467
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: level of excellence, the same physicality you mentioned the starting

1468
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: practice over Like I never met a dude in my

1469
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Speaker 1: whole career, and my whole career like Fletch, and like,

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Speaker 1: I played with some good ass football players, man. And

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Speaker 1: there's one dude that I have a jersey autograph by

1472
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: in my house. One dude that's not it's London Fletcher,

1473
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: excuse me, and so and it's not and it's not.

1474
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 1: And again he's very productive and he did all the things.

1475
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: But it was the professionalism that you came with every

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01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: single day, man, And that's something that I will always remember,

1477
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: not only for football, but for the rest of my

1478
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. I'm not both in

1479
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: that I have never potty mouth. I'm sorry, I mean,

1480
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: I feel it. I gets It gets me fired up

1481
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: a little bit about it, you know what I'm saying.

1482
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,560
Speaker 1: It gets like thinking back to that because like I

1483
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: think about people say, look, and you were not a

1484
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,759
Speaker 1: good athlete, you know, like you were a good athlete,

1485
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: but like relative to the guys in this room, and

1486
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: like what was the what was the model that got

1487
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: you going? And it's guys like and so I owe

1488
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: a lot to him in terms of laying that example.

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01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: So I feel really good about it. You know.

1490
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 6: You know, I pick a back off of both of

1491
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 6: some of the things you guys said, and one of

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01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 6: the things that stand out to me. And I've you

1493
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 6: guys been around me long enough to kind of get

1494
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 6: a drift of how I roll things. I'm not I

1495
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 6: don't get excited about a lot of stuff. Like you

1496
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 6: can talk and I sit here and it had the

1497
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 6: same and like you know, I just never got up

1498
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 6: for a guy who bumping his gun, you know what

1499
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 6: I mean. And I come from from areas where you

1500
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 6: had to show me, you know, I mean, like I said,

1501
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,799
Speaker 6: I'm not from Missouri, but unless you want me to respect,

1502
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 6: you have to show me. So I had an encounter

1503
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 6: with flesh way before here, and that was just small lift.

1504
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 6: But I knew who he was as a player then,

1505
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 6: but it wasn't until he got into this locker room

1506
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 6: when I kind of used to look across from my locker.

1507
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 6: I had a great seat to see him, and I'm like, man,

1508
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 6: if it's anybody in here that I'm gonna listen to,

1509
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 6: if any because you know, by that time he got

1510
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 6: here too, there's a lot of bs going around.

1511
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 4: You know.

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01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 6: Six we won, five, we played well. Six we went

1513
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 6: to showing our true colors. And then now I'm sitting

1514
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 6: here looking like, man, who's gonna play? And London came

1515
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 6: in from day one.

1516
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: I mean, and like when you.

1517
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 6: Talked about that practice or what he did the CP,

1518
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 6: I saw that every day. I used to look at

1519
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 6: his motor and like, hell, he owned eleven and I

1520
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 6: knew what he had to where he come from, how

1521
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 6: long he been in the league. So I'm like, bro,

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Speaker 6: So I used to try to quietly match that intensity,

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Speaker 6: like every day I want to practice, not saying I

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Speaker 6: want to be fletched, but I'm watching fletch at the

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Speaker 6: same time, Like all right, I got to make sure

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Speaker 6: I'm doing my thing.

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Speaker 4: But that's the respect I was giving you already. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: this is a guy.

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Speaker 6: Ain't nobody else on the team could say anything to me.

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Speaker 6: If he says something, I'm gonna listen.

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Speaker 3: And it was a lot.

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Speaker 6: He always had something to say. So game day, when

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01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 6: I wanted to hear somebody talk, I wanted to hear

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Speaker 6: Flesh talk. And I gave you all a joke about

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Speaker 6: when he gave you broke it try to break us down.

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01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 6: I'm like, man, the wrong person took it down. And

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Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like, he know, I'm on here right now.

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Speaker 6: But just to be real, man like, the Flesh reminded

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01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 6: me of an uncle slash father figure on the team

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Speaker 6: full of the guys that needed guy. You know what

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01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 6: I'm saying, it's it's very few of us probably needed

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Speaker 6: to hear from Fletch all the time, but there was

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Speaker 6: a lot of guys that needed to be talked to.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, youse guys I'm talking about under

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01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 4: saying no names.

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Speaker 6: So that's why, you know, beyond the stats, beyond the

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Speaker 6: you know, the games of not missing any game, beyond

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Speaker 6: what other people see.

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01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 4: And heard, we saw it every day.

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Speaker 6: We saw it every day, and not only did we

1551
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 6: see it, you know we gave give Fletch his own segment.

1552
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Speaker 6: Upset the tone by man t about set in the

1553
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 6: tone every game if the defense play had to give

1554
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 6: him the field first first play, fifty nine was gonna

1555
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Speaker 6: show up. It was the I mean, it was not

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01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 6: a play gonna be missed. Where he's he's making a difference.

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Speaker 6: And like I say, the one place stood out to me.

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01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 6: You asked him his defining play.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what team. I care less with the team.

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Speaker 4: I just remember how he did it.

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Speaker 6: Flex was dropping back and somebody got a swing past

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Speaker 6: at the backfield and I remember it was on their

1563
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 6: sideline and Flex hit the dude was coming down here

1564
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 6: because he cautched the swing pass him and Fletch met

1565
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 6: and Flesh didn't even get a chance to.

1566
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 4: Put his shoulder in him. He hit him with face man,

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 4: and Bro, it was like a dude hit a wall.

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01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 4: Dude bounced and he got up and he was like

1569
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 4: on this knee and I'm like, I'm strapping up.

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Speaker 2: I gotta go catch the Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like damn yeah.

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Speaker 6: I couldn't get over it, bro, because I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 6: this dude here, how many more years he got left?

1574
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Speaker 2: To do this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's what I say, You know what I mean?

1576
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 6: Like the stats proven it is there. The proof is

1577
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Speaker 6: in the putting with the stats. But I got a

1578
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,799
Speaker 6: chance to watch the man every day, go to practice

1579
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 6: with that intensity and let it transfer into the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He left me hanging with Brandon Jacobs.

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