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Speaker 1: And we're back with another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast. Today,

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Speaker 1: Jason Phelps and I reunite after long September. Short September.

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Speaker 1: How how was your September?

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Speaker 2: It was awesome, long the greatest month of the year.

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Speaker 2: But it's always it seems like it goes by so fast.

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Speaker 2: But this this year, you know, I had two different

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Speaker 2: hunts and bouncing back and forth between Washington and New Mexico,

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Speaker 2: and it was it was good. The elk were tough,

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Speaker 2: tougher the normal. We'll get into it a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I think that I don't want to be that guy

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Speaker 2: with my tinfoil hat on, but I'm convinced the rut

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Speaker 2: is getting later every year. And I used to be

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Speaker 2: the opps. I used tell everybody like they always got

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Speaker 2: to run at the same time. It's based on daylight

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Speaker 2: and herd health, and like, man, something has got me

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Speaker 2: convinced said it's getting later.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna write that down and bring that up again,

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Speaker 1: and when prove you wrong someday. No, no, I have

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Speaker 1: to agree to that with that at some point to

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Speaker 1: some degree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it was good. How about how about you?

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Speaker 2: I know you we've talked about a little bit you

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Speaker 2: started off with a bang on your son's hunt, and

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Speaker 2: then you had some a little we both had a

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Speaker 2: little delay there, you know, the second quarter of September,

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Speaker 2: and then we we kind of grinded it out from

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Speaker 2: from the fifteenth all the way through the end there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it started off awesome, good and bad.

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Speaker 1: I like to be inept in the September woods with

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Speaker 1: a purpose. And when your kid shoots a bowl on

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Speaker 1: the second day, and we'd anticipated a lot more hunting

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Speaker 1: for the first quarter of September, then that kind of

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Speaker 1: freed up some time. I was you know, I did

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Speaker 1: make it out and did some scouting trips and whatnot,

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Speaker 1: and it took back. Took my bare rifle for a

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Speaker 1: walk a few times. But but it's not the same

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Speaker 1: as having a tag in your pocket or a hunting

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Speaker 1: with someone has a tag and you're you know, you're trying,

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Speaker 1: you're trying hard, you're trying to call bulls and you're

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Speaker 1: trying to get close and have some fun. But but

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Speaker 1: then yeah, like you say, the second half of the

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Speaker 1: of the season was good. You know, two weeks in

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Speaker 1: a in a whole new unit to me and my

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Speaker 1: pals Bradley and Cody and we and we recorded a

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Speaker 1: podcast on this. I've are probably listened to it. But

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Speaker 1: it started off with a bang, but then you know,

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Speaker 1: it kind of part way, it kind of fizzled, start fizzling.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like what you just said about the

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Speaker 1: rut starting later, I feel like it started pretty early,

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Speaker 1: like we we got the tail end of the of

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Speaker 1: the Goodie out of the rut where we were at,

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Speaker 1: and then by the last handful of days it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, the last three or four days, it was

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Speaker 1: felt like post rut. You know, the woods were quiet,

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Speaker 1: no bulls bugling on their own. You had to try

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Speaker 1: real hard and be real close to an elk to

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Speaker 1: get them to bugle. You wouldn't get those ones that

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Speaker 1: were half a mile away ripping bugles, you know.

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Speaker 2: So huh, yeah, it was. It was interesting, you know,

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Speaker 2: going from New Mexico, where I really felt the rut

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Speaker 2: was late and man, even for a giant unit we

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Speaker 2: were in, I have a love hate relationship with public land,

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Speaker 2: Like you like to be out there doing it on

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Speaker 2: public land, which is all I've really ever hunted for elk.

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Speaker 2: But man, even with a giant unit and two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty tags, plus or minus the landowner tags. There

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Speaker 2: are a lot of people everywhere, you know, people driving

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Speaker 2: side by sides where they shouldn't be, you know, and

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Speaker 2: you would get on a bowl one morning and feel

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Speaker 2: like you had it all to yourself and maybe you

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Speaker 2: just discovered that bowl and you wanted to keep kind

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Speaker 2: of putting pressure on them. And then the next whether

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Speaker 2: it was that evening or the next morning, and all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, you have five guys around you, you know,

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Speaker 2: coming in from different angles, and you're just like, gosh, dang.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's part of the love hate relationship. You know,

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Speaker 2: you love to challenge yourself, but gosh, sometimes I wish

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Speaker 2: it was just you versus the elk and you had

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Speaker 2: the whole place to yourself. But it's part of the game.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we would have had in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: or when they're coming in. I think we would have

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Speaker 2: had some you know, more opportunities there in New Mexico,

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Speaker 2: but just it's tough everywhere we went, even on my

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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 2: All the good and easy spots are occupied, and so

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Speaker 2: it's I found myself just looking at the maps and

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Speaker 2: being like, man, I hate, I personally hate hiking up

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Speaker 2: this trail that's twenty five hundred feet elevation, but at

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Speaker 2: least I know it's me versus the elk there. And so,

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Speaker 2: you know, there was a lot of that like mental

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Speaker 2: game kind of coming in on my hunt. Even though

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Speaker 2: to these on these public land hunts. But that's I

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Speaker 2: guess why we all love them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I kind of run in the same thing

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Speaker 1: in this area we hunted. This was new new to us,

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Speaker 1: completely different kind of uh landscape than what we normally hunt.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have the low desert floors, you have

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Speaker 1: the ten thousand foot peaks, and the elk live in

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Speaker 1: you get out and if you're gonna hunt from the truck,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna walk for a mile or two in an

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Speaker 1: area you're not going to see an elk, or you'll

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Speaker 1: see some scat from last spring, but you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna have to hike, hike, hike, and

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Speaker 1: like you say, you're gonna have to climb a couple

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Speaker 1: thousand feet vertical get up there. So it's definitely different.

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Speaker 1: We backpacked in, which is kind of out of character

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Speaker 1: for me. You know, you know I've done it in

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Speaker 1: the past, but I kind of like a nice truck

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Speaker 1: camp where I can sleep on a cot because I

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Speaker 1: sleep so much better. But man, we the first the

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Speaker 1: out backpacked in. I'm like, oh, we're going super light.

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Speaker 1: The weather is supposed to be pretty good. Taking my

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Speaker 1: Kafaru super tarp and a piece of tie back, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna lay on that cameraman, Dusty. Now we're gonna share

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Speaker 1: a shelter. Phelps. You and I have shared that same

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Speaker 2: You don't you don't both want to roll to the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you might have a moment. Well this especially, you know,

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Speaker 1: we had a hard time find somewhere flat delay, so

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Speaker 1: every morning we'd wake up, I'd almost be right in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the of the shelter and Dusty was

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Speaker 1: a big deal normally, but we had rain storms like

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Speaker 1: say during that time, you know, we had bad weather,

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Speaker 1: but the hunt was pretty good. You know. The first

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Speaker 1: was going good, like, man, we're gonna probably tag out

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Speaker 1: elk sightings and encounter starts slowing down, and you changed

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Speaker 1: we were in we didn't have a lot of people there.

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Speaker 1: we spent five or six days in there. We didn't

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Speaker 1: we've seen somebody the last couple of days. But then

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Speaker 1: we relocated to a place that had more elk and

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Speaker 1: you could phone scope them whatever I actually did just scope.

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Speaker 1: But then anytime you try to execute on a plan,

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Speaker 1: hard to find some elk, but you don't see too

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Speaker 1: So it was that kind of a place. But in

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Speaker 1: we did not none of us tagged in elk. None

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Speaker 1: home a couple of days early. Dusty and I held

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Speaker 1: just a ghost town. You know. We saw a bowl

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Speaker 1: fir seeing the morning. We climbed up to where they're at,

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Speaker 1: never did hear a lot of bulls bugling on their own,

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Speaker 1: you know, just you know how you get those bulls

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Speaker 1: just kind of bugling even though just the middle of

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Speaker 1: these things were pretty call shy, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: I think they're call shy to each other. I think

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Speaker 1: they carve out they're six to eight cows, and they're like,

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Speaker 1: I'm good with my six or eight cows. I don't

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Speaker 1: need thirty, and if another bowl gets close by, we're gone.

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Speaker 1: We started calling to this one bull and he ran off,

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Speaker 1: and we'd give him tons of space. We didn't push

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Speaker 2: Yeah, orange we on, Well, we'll get to it a

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Speaker 2: So it's a definitely a good little tip to have

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Speaker 1: You know, I might if I have to have it

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Speaker 2: Here. Build a bunch of like scarecrows up there all

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Speaker 1: Just take a box. I'll have the folks that loophold

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Speaker 2: You could be one of those like geocash, and eventually,

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Speaker 1: That's a great idea, Phelps. I'm glad you brought that.

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Speaker 2: We got some marketing synergy going here. A great idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so tell us about your bowl in Washington.

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Speaker 2: You know, hunters and non hunters can't agree on many things,

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Speaker 1: Right well, I think, you know, I think who care

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Speaker 1: know if that's even related.

430
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, like I need to be careful because I'm

431
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 2: not a biologist. I'm not a scientist, I'm none of

432
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 2: the above. I'm just in a observer right that pays

433
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 2: probably more attention than most. But we didn't have it

434
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 2: until the nineties. It didn't exist on a landscape. So

435
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: it leads me to believe just being a free thinker,

436
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: a guy that has a scientific type brain, like what changed?

437
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 2: And you're like, well, we you know, environmental pressures not

438
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 2: to burn clearcuts anymore. Like I said, I'm just speculating here.

439
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: Nothing scientific. More aggressive force practices both herbicide and pesticide fertilizers, right,

440
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 2: Elker Browsers, You go to our clearcuts now and they

441
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 2: are literally a brown sheet of brush with green fir

442
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 2: tree sticking out of it. You know, there was there's

443
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 2: this race to harvest a tree faster than we used

444
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: to there. You know, is it a death by a

445
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 2: thousand slices? Is it a combination of no burning, herbicide pesticide,

446
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 2: like their immune system weakening so they can no longer

447
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 2: fight this off. Because my understanding is the majority of

448
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: these hoof fraughts a hoof fraught. There's there's like forty

449
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: different strains from what I've read, and they already live

450
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: in the soil. So it's like, well, if that's the case,

451
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: then they were able to kind of fight it off

452
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: for thousands of years. Why did all of a sudden,

453
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: you know? Is it a weakning of the immune system?

454
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm just speculating, but I don't know

455
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 2: what we do now to fix it. And it's like

456
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 2: now that they've picked it up and they do carry it,

457
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: it's transmittable, it's communicable, Like can we get a handle

458
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: on it? Do you have to kill everyone with it?

459
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: Like what's the Is there a fix? You know? And

460
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: so I'm just worried for the health of our herd.

461
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: And this is not scientific data. But I've told you

462
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,959
Speaker 2: and I tell a lot of people, like growing up,

463
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 2: I would have put the densities of elk here in

464
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: my backyard against anywhere in the world just for sheer numbers.

465
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: You're not gonna kill a trophy. You're not gonna kill.

466
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: But as far as like a quality elcunt where you're

467
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: on legal elk, it used to be as good as

468
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: anywhere in the world. And I would say we're probably

469
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: twenty percent or last of the elk we used to

470
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:01,959
Speaker 2: have when I was growing up.

471
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 1: Well, one thing that kind of resonated with me when

472
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: you're talking about this, and from what I've heard over

473
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: the years. You know, like you said, elker browsers, they're

474
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: eating the brush, they're eating little tiny, little twigs and

475
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: whatever else. But I know human beings are not elk.

476
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: But let's look at this at a human being perspective.

477
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: All the bullshit and the stuff they're putting in our

478
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: food supply today, Like a lot of our food is poisoned, right,

479
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of chemicals and bullshit in our food today.

480
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: And look at all the problems in the sickness humans

481
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: have today that they didn't have forty years ago because

482
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: the food supply, what we're ingesting little bits of bullshit

483
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: every day, it's causing all these different problems, hormone problems,

484
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: all these different sickness. Is so to me, if if

485
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: elker eaten little bits of poison all the time, it's

486
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: gonna cause a problem. It's just it's just common sense.

487
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: Honestly, Yeah, I agree, I just I can't like say,

488
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: you know my bye, you know my my medical opinion.

489
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 2: I don't have any of those biology degrees, but I

490
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: agree like common sense timelines adding up, like I'm gonna

491
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: leave it at that, like I've got I've got some

492
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: other concerns. I'm so thankful WSU's picking it up, but

493
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: I wish I'm just gonna say, I wish there were

494
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: some private research being done just because of the way

495
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: money flows through our state grant funding. I just, you know,

496
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: I always joke like if Elon Musk had to solve

497
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: hoof fraut, we'd we'd have the research done in a month.

498
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: We'd have the solution in a month, and it would

499
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: be implemented and over and the you know, in the

500
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: following month, and we'd be out of this in three months.

501
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: It's just I just wish there was there was no

502
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: you know, strings attached to money to grant funding, and

503
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: there might not be. I'm can a little bit out

504
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: of turn, but I do believe that I don't understand

505
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: why we're there's no like the progress isn't be made quicker.

506
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: I guess, like I said, I don't want to undermine

507
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: what WSU is doing in their research, and you know,

508
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: they've got a prestigious you know, VET program and everybody

509
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: there's experts. I just feel like it's twenty twenty four,

510
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: like things can move faster, you know.

511
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: And I think they have their hypotheses of what the

512
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: problem is. But you know, sometimes proving it without a

513
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: doubt one hundred percent, you know, through the scientific manner,

514
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: you know that that's accepted. You know, the standard is

515
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: probably so difficult, you know, like all these common sense

516
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: things says, yeah, that's the that's what causes it. But

517
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: proving it, like where's the proof in the pudding? For

518
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: to have action taken at a state level to ban

519
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: certain practices, they probably have to be so like cut

520
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: and dry and like beyond reproach. They have to have

521
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: so much information so you know, whether it's a you know,

522
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: whether it's a grant funding or just like we have

523
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: to prove this beyond reasonable doubt. Just like anything. It

524
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: seems like scientific everything has to be proven.

525
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah, that was a little extra background

526
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: on the hoof front. But I killed a bowl with

527
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: Hofrat last year and WDFW working with WSU or providing

528
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: what was called incentive tag. So if you kill an

529
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 2: elk with visible hoof fraut. You were supposed to cut

530
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: the hooves off way down by the dew clause, you know,

531
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: basically just at that bottom knuckle, put all four hooves

532
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: in a bag, submit them with your you know GMU

533
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: data kill, you know, some information, and they would pick picks,

534
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: you know, nineteen of the people that submitted, and I

535
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: was lucky. I can remember I was at my daughter's

536
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: fast pitch game in Napavine and the emailed ding through

537
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: that hey, you've been selected for one of the hoof

538
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 2: frot tags. And then there's a little bit of luck

539
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: involved that, you know, out of the nineteen, you were

540
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: picked in order. So I happened to be number five

541
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: out of nineteen, and I thought for sure the unit

542
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: I wanted to hunt would be gone in the first five,

543
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: but fortunately it got to me and there was a

544
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 2: tag available. So I ended up with an incentive tag

545
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: for a pretty good area in Washington and this tag

546
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: allowed me to hunt September first of December thirty first

547
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: with any weapon as long as there wasn't an active season.

548
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: If there was an active bo season, I had to

549
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: switch to my bow. If there was a muzzloader season.

550
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: I switched to my muzzloader, which you know was fine.

551
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 2: So basically a multi season tag, but I can use

552
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: a rifle if there's no other seasons. I had the

553
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: New Mexico hunt from the fifteenth to the twenty fourth,

554
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: which really kind of bit into some of the real

555
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: good days of being there, Like I could have started

556
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: hunting with a rifle on the twentieth, So I didn't

557
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: show up until the twenty sixth. Again, so we've talked

558
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: about the beginning. The unit's very migratory for the bulls.

559
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: The cows seemed to live in there. The bulls seemed

560
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: to come from adjacent units. Nothing big, you know, a

561
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 2: two seventy type six point, and so I elected to

562
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: not I was going to come back, and we just

563
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: struggled to find legal bulls. The day I got back

564
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: on the twenty sixth, I think we ran through nine

565
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: biggling bulls. Got to put eyes on all of them,

566
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: and they were all, well, there was one little six point.

567
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: Everything else was basically five point or better. You know,

568
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: we either called them in. You know a lot of

569
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: this unit's burnt, like moved to see them, just couldn't

570
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: find a big bull. The following day, you know, got

571
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 2: on three or four bulls, all five points, sat on

572
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: me and Tyson, my buddy, sat on a growler all

573
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: day long. Thought oh this is the big one. Finally,

574
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: you know, had some decent five point satellites and he

575
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: came out and he was He was a seven by

576
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: six but real small framed and used some kickers to

577
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: get there. Dang it just not what I want. But

578
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: I knew the next day I had to switch back

579
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: to my muzzloader because that muzloader season had kicked off

580
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: on the twenty eighth of September. So back to my mussloader,

581
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: I go and just kind of weeding through, weeding through bulls,

582
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: got trapped in what I call a meth trap. On

583
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: that I was gonna try a new area. I'm gonna.

584
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: This kind of surprised me. And usually I'm a little

585
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: more aware than this. Like you're driving up a road,

586
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: you know, early in the morning on the weekend, and

587
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna diverge here for just two minutes

588
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: and then I'll get back on the story. You know,

589
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: in an area that's it's got some you know people around,

590
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: you're close to the bigger cities and you know, big

591
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: bomb fires burning at four in the morning, and U

592
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: haul van's kind of parked everywhere, Like what the hell

593
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: is a U haul van doing up in the woods

594
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: and backed up to these big bombfires, Like a normal

595
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: person wouldn't park their car that close to a fire

596
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: that's huge, just just weird things. Well, we had passed

597
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: two of these U hauls backed up to a fire,

598
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: and there was a corner coming up and I could

599
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: see like reflectors on a rig and like, oh, it's

600
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: just hunt season, right, somebody might be pulled over here,

601
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: there's a clear cut. Well, we get pulled up right

602
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: next to that rig is I'm going around the corner

603
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: and somebody had cut down a bunch of trees on

604
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: the inside of that. And now I'm a little nervous

605
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: because I've got parked right next to somebody that obviously

606
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: they're not hunting. They've been sleeping in their truck because

607
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: there's due all over the you know, moisture all over

608
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: the inside of their windows. I'm now pulled up side

609
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: by side against these guys, and I've now got two

610
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: U haul vans fifty yards behind me on the road

611
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: where I'm stuck in the middle of the road with

612
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: like nowhere to turn around, and I'm like, this is

613
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: I thankfully And I don't know if anything would have

614
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: happened or not, or maybe they just didn't want to

615
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: mess with us. I had a buddy with a vehicle

616
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: that was following me up. He had to go down

617
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: the hill that night. He was gonna hunt with me,

618
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: so it was nice. We had two vehicles, multiple people.

619
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: We were able to kind of get turned around and

620
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: get out of there. But when we got back down

621
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: we kind of talked about it. We're like, I think

622
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: they're probably cooking, cooking meth or something on the other

623
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: side of the trees, and then they're using those guys

624
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: as lookouts to let them know, like hey, you know,

625
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: cops or somebody's coming up the hill. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,

626
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: it was so anyways, we didn't get to hunt our spot,

627
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: and you know, there was a ton of hikers on

628
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: the weekends, so once again, we just I kept finding

629
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: my self like the best plan I could come up

630
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: with in my head was to hike back up the steep,

631
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: nasty trail. Nobody was hunting up there. The hikers don't

632
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: seem to like that trail. It's you know, it's too

633
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: much work for the views that they're looking for. So

634
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: we went back and and kind of kept crushing that

635
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: one area. We knew there was a decent you know,

636
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: a couple of decent bulls in there, and just kind

637
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: of kept hammering that area like eventually it was going

638
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: to have to happen.

639
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: You know.

640
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: The rout was still going on, but it was just

641
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: these smaller bowls were running the herds, and so joined

642
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: up with you know, my buddy, Matt Schmidt's and he

643
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: brought a buddy and then we my camera guy got sick,

644
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: so I had to reload. I was in complete dis

645
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: array there for a bit. We reloaded and went back

646
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: up the nasty trail and had some bulls going that morning.

647
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: Just got up to the alpine, had good wind, and

648
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: we were calling back and forth to a bowl and

649
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: he slowly just we didn't push him, he just slowly

650
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: wanted to go up and over the ridge to bet

651
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: on the north side. We had about eight hundred more

652
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: feet to go, so we we be bopped up the

653
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: trail and got back above him. You know, it was

654
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: still early morning shadows, especially on the north side, so

655
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: we knew he had to be a ridge away got

656
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: them to kind of to to re respond and and

657
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: kind of get the game started again. And there were

658
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: two bowls biggling back and forth. They had kind of

659
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: they were kind of doing their own thing, fighting for

660
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: the herd, and and we kind of used that time

661
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: to slip in and get a shot. And as I

662
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, they were they were in a bunch of

663
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: Christmas trees with very limited ability to shoot out and

664
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: very limited ability to shoot out when they were standing

665
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: in the right spot on the other side. So it

666
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: was like, I felt like we had a five percent

667
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: chance that number one, the bowl is going to get

668
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: close enough to shoot with the muzzleloader, and number two

669
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: that like when he did get out in the open,

670
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: I would be sitting in the exact spot that I

671
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: could shoot through like a little teeny hole that I

672
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: had and have arrest and do everything I needed to.

673
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: So Matt was able to keep that bowl big and

674
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: cranking for most of the morning, and then as the

675
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: morning gets you know, a little bit on you know,

676
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: nine thirty. I don't know if you've noticed this, but

677
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: I think most hunters will, like a lot of times,

678
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: your very first bagle, you get a bowl to respond, right,

679
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: he'll respond, and then if you keep bugling, he will

680
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: slowly stop answering you, like he doesn't want to respond

681
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: to you every twenty seconds or thirty seconds. But then

682
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: if you wait for five or ten minutes bugle again,

683
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: he'll typically rip right back off. So we had, but

684
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: we'd kept him pretty active for an hour hour and

685
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: a half as he was rounding cows and pushing the

686
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: five point off and we were kind of just waiting

687
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: our time for him to you know, a lot of

688
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: times you couldn't see him ninety percent of the time,

689
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the time he was behind trees.

690
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: He would just disappear for long amounts of time, and

691
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: then you'd see a cow bust back out of one

692
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: of the openings, like all right, he's going to be

693
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: following her. And played that game for a while, but

694
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: he finally started to slow down, even though we were

695
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: still seeing him move over there. He just wasn't interested

696
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: in responding to the bowl across the canyon anyway more,

697
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: you know, And this is why we talked, certain bulls

698
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: want certain things. I would crank out the easy estress

699
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: and he would answer instantly on that he wanted to

700
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: hear that that mature buzzy cow call. And so every

701
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: time we wanted to like make sure he hadn't went

702
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: up and over, because there were ways he could slip

703
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: out of that canyon. We would hit him with easy

704
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: estrass and he'd respond. So we sat there for a

705
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: while and he was still there. Ended up like you know,

706
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: stack and one pack sideways, one stack on the you know,

707
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: one pack on its end, so we could try to

708
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: get like a real stable rest. And finally the bull

709
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: slipped up and came out and stood in an opening

710
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: for long enough for me to get a good range,

711
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: me to make a little adjustment on my scope and

712
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: get a shot. So it was you know, these new

713
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: muzzloaders are a little bit more accurate and got a

714
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: little more range and what I'm used to. And so

715
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: we we were able to shoot this bowl, you know,

716
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: across a small canyon. It wasn't a big canyon by

717
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: any means. You know, a pretty pretty decent muzzloader shot,

718
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: and uh, we seen him take off, but it was

719
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: so brushy. We got to see him maybe for two

720
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: or three steps and then disappeared. And so one thing I,

721
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: you know, to explain to the listeners. One thing we

722
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: noticed that we knew we got a good hit. We

723
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: rewatched the video, but a cow that was with him

724
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 2: stood above his location for over an hour looking into

725
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: his location. So if you ever see that, that's an

726
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: indicator that that cow, you know, either seen him fall,

727
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: heard something, nose. He's down there and is kind of

728
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: unwilling to leave him, which give us some you know,

729
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: gave us some confidence that he was dead right there

730
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: or in that pile of brush. And the second thing

731
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: was the remaining cows after they heard the shot, over

732
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: about the next fifteen to twenty minutes, gathered up and left.

733
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: Aside from this one cow that was watching his position

734
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: very you know, intently, not moving her eyes for over

735
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: an hour and a half, the other cows all walked

736
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: by the pile of brush. He went into a group

737
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: of trees within about twenty yards, and we were all thinking, like,

738
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: all right, if he's still got anything left, he's going

739
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: to get up and follow these cows, or if he's

740
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: not hit. We kind of watched it and all those

741
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: cows walk up to the ridge line and he doesn't follow. So,

742
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: you know, two pretty good signs a cow that's watching

743
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: his location is in my opinion, he's either over there

744
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: laying wounded and he can't get up or move anymore,

745
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: or he's laying over there dead. And then when the

746
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 2: cows left without him, it's like, all right, that's another

747
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: great indicator that you know, he's likely not on his

748
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: feet anymore. And we were just patient. We actually sat

749
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 2: and watched that group of trees for over an hour

750
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 2: to make sure, you know, you know, put our put

751
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: our bino's on tripods and really just like tried to

752
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: pick it apart. We're looking for any little horn, kept

753
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: an eye on it. And then when we some other

754
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: tips I'd like to share is it's very brush over there.

755
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: So we took multiple pictures of that hillside before he

756
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: went over, drew lines like from indicators, like all right,

757
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: what's our best indicators over there? Like all right, there's

758
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: a clear ridge. We drew a line down that like

759
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: I drew on my picture why I was over there,

760
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: like it should be here, we should have this yellow tree,

761
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it may be. You know, drew really

762
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: good pictures. And then one thing that you know, not

763
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: just giving, you know, one of our partners a plug.

764
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: Is I've got the new loophole fifty five hundred. I

765
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: don't want to get the name wrong. The new loophole

766
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: fifty five hundred RX I believe is that. Yeah, I

767
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: don't think it's a five thousand. I think it's a fifty.

768
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: It's r X five thousand, five.

769
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: Thousand, Okay, that's why I didn't remember if it's a

770
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: fifty five hundred to the five thousand. But it's got

771
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: the ability to go into their app and I would

772
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: just pin you know, the yelk and we did it

773
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: from multiple angles and multiple shots and it was very

774
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: it was pretty accurate.

775
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: But when so we zapp, you zapped the rangefinder on

776
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: the spot and it communicates to via bluetooth tier on

777
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: X and puts a place marker on the map.

778
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: YEP. It gives you a loopholed pin, so within the

779
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: app you just say pin next, so it knows that

780
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: your very next range will be. It'll transfer you to

781
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: on X. It gives you three dots for a little

782
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: bit while it's thinking and calibrating or you know, figuring

783
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: out the coordinates, and that drops a pin on there.

784
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: I will advise and there. I think there's been some updates.

785
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: I've got a pretty strong magnet in my fob, and

786
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: I'm convinced that you get better results when that thing

787
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: isn't very close to your chest or even I believe

788
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: it even from your chest to your eye is close enough.

789
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: So the technology works great, but I would advise if

790
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: you're trying to get a very accurate shot and brush

791
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 2: like this, like maybe take off your chest harness when

792
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: you're calibrating the compass and everything inside the range finder,

793
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: make sure you take that chest harness off and put

794
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: it along ways away.

795
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, they even recommend stay away from your vehicle

796
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: anything metal. Avoid anything metal, so you know, walk twenty

797
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: thirty feet whatever away from anything metal, calibrate that thing,

798
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: and even when you shoot.

799
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: I think you should stay away from metal. Like it's

800
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a pain, but like hike

801
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: your gun away, or you know, hike some of these

802
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: things with battery and magnets in them away and then

803
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: take your shot. But I ended up taking three different shots,

804
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: and through some triangulation, I'm like, well, these three shots

805
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: are you know, thirty feet apart, which gets you really

806
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: really close over there. But from the center of the point,

807
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm just going to pick the center

808
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: of this, and ended up being fifteen feet away from

809
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: where we thought where were we last seeing the bowl.

810
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: So we walked around using the pictures, using a guy

811
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 2: that we left over there, and using those pins because

812
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: it was brushy, like it was very very brushy, hard

813
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: to tell where you were at. So I was able

814
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: to ultimately take you know, a very good mature six point,

815
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: which is kind of what I was after. And I

816
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: think there were bigger bulls in the unit for sure,

817
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: But when I've dreamed of hunting this place, I dream

818
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: of hunting it up in the mountains. Like it's when

819
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: you go hunting. You can go try to kill the

820
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: big bowl, or you can kind of hunt the areas

821
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: and the places you want to. And so I was

822
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: able to kind of mix us I really wanted to

823
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: do it, you know, off my back, you know, kind

824
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: of more of that backpack style, and so I was

825
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: able to kind of mix those to find a really

826
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: good mature bowl and do it kind of up in

827
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: the mountains where nobody else that I had seen all

828
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: year was hunting, and was able to get it done,

829
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: and I was thankful that was the first day we

830
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: had four guys up in that country, so I was

831
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: real thankful to have four people to help, you know,

832
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: pack pack that thing out, and you know, took a

833
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: lot of pictures and and broke it down. And uh,

834
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna get some muzzle er experts on the podcast

835
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: here coming up soon. But man, that these new guns

836
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: are are dang good, even with one X scopes. You know,

837
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: I shot this this bowl at you know, three hundred

838
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: plus yards and had a full pass through, hit him

839
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: right in the lungs and with with the good rest.

840
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: So I shoot the fury three hundred and twenty grain

841
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: bullet out of out of this one. It's got a

842
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: you know, blisted cofish and a point two six. It's

843
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: a big old fifty cal bullet, but it's it one

844
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: hole in, one hole out hardly, no no meat wastage,

845
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: and hit them perfect. And you know, like I say,

846
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: the bull, the bull literally took three running steps and

847
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: tipped over dead.

848
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 4: Nice.

849
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: You know that bullet performance is so key on on

850
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: muzzleloater because I know a lot of the guys that

851
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: you shoot, you know, the all lead bullets and Idaho,

852
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: we hit forever. We've had to use all lead bullets,

853
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: and and they're just kind of subpar for performance. You know,

854
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: you hit them just right and they they tip over dead.

855
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: But if you hit them a little bit, I mean

856
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: not even just perfect. You've can have you have a

857
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: trailing job, and it's it can be tough.

858
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: I I've you know, we had to use you know,

859
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: bullets in the past that didn't perform. You hardly ever

860
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: get an exit, you hardly ever get blood out of

861
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: the entrance. And mussloaters have always been like real frustrating.

862
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: And I'm not a huge copper bullet fan. You know,

863
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: you got the Barns is you know, last year I

864
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: used the Federal borlock. This year I'm using the Fury,

865
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: which is an all copper system. But I feel like

866
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: muzzloaters are where getting a hole out the other side

867
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: is the most important thing, and so I am willing

868
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: to use you know, the peer coppers, whether it's Barns

869
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: or this year. You know, uh, the more I learned

870
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: about muzzlers, you want something like the Parker or the

871
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: Fury three twenty, you know, something that's more of a

872
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: of a board to fit, you know, you know, I

873
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: don't know how people say Sabo or sabots or whatever

874
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: people want to call them.

875
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, I'm not too fair. I'm not fancy

876
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: enough to call me. I call it. I think sabbot,

877
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: but I think I do too.

878
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: But I think everybody that's in the no calls them sabo.

879
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: But I also say case Adela and Salza as well.

880
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: So so we're gonna we're gonna dive into this more

881
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: in a future episode. But like these bore like specific

882
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: boor sized bullets, you know, getting them to touch the

883
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: rifling and getting the plastic out between them and the bullets,

884
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: like when you're trying to really you know, we change

885
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: out the breech plug in by Remington Ultimate. We've got

886
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: more powder than anybody says you're supposed to, you know,

887
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: use in this gun. You know, we're getting that three

888
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty grain bullet up to twenty one hundred

889
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: feet per second. And so you know, we were able

890
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: to add one X scope store guns this year, which

891
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: I just feel like, aside from the one X, that's

892
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: the only thing limiting you. You get a good rest.

893
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: I h we have a real good gun range here

894
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: in pel It's all in meters, so it's a three

895
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: hundred meters shot, which basical ends up being three hundred

896
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: and thirty yards, And there's a little ten inch high

897
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: by twelve inch wide gong at three hundred and thirty

898
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: yards and I hit it both shots, you know, just

899
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: dial my scope up, dial it to certain to shoot

900
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: twice at it and ting ting and you know, the

901
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: red dots kind of covering the majority of the ten

902
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: inches at three point thirty. But you know, you do

903
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: a little fanagulon know that you're in the center of it,

904
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: and it's just these things are very effective.

905
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: Oh this was a red dot site.

906
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a red dot one x so. And I

907
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: I had sighted the gun in on the lowest setting

908
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: because it makes the dot the smallest right with the

909
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: less flare. Well, I was shooting from the shade to

910
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: the sun and had to crank my dot up a

911
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 2: little bit, which then made it grow on the elk.

912
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: But still at you know, the yardage I was at,

913
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: I still had plenty of room to know I was,

914
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: you know, at what vertical level I was in and

915
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: you know, able to make a good shot. But they're

916
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: they're very impressive me and you talk about this all

917
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: the time, like technology changes that may limit seasons. I'm

918
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: a little worried with the ability of some of these

919
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: muzzloaders and a lot of guys getting more into it

920
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: that you know, the season date and placement, you know,

921
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: and it was a special tag. So usually in the

922
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: rest of the units in the Washington State, you can't

923
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: hunt with the muzzloader that early. So I think, you know,

924
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: with our elk now kind of being you know, slightly

925
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: getting out of the rut, it's it's maybe not it

926
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: doesn't have that big of a of an effect, but

927
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: I always worry, you know, do these do these mussloaders

928
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: ultimately affect take and do they affect season dates and

929
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: and lengths and you know in the future. But they're

930
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: they're daying good. They're they're way more effective than the

931
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: old muzzloaders. I used to shoot where I'd have to

932
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 2: aim for five seconds to see if I was gonna

933
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: have a hangfire, and you know, the gun goes off

934
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: to two seconds after the primer or the percussion or

935
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: the musket cap goes off, So yeah, by that time,

936
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: things like that. You know, I like to think I'm

937
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: tough and don't flinch, but there's no getting around it

938
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 2: that I flinch after that thing, you know, eventually clicks off,

939
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: and but no, it was it was good. You know,

940
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: a big bodied bowl, got a got a ton of

941
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: meat off of him. The neck gross were like fifteen

942
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: pounds a piece. I think by the time we chunk

943
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: those things off. And like I said, I'm glad. I

944
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: had four guys and you know, two of them were firefighters,

945
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: so it's uh, you know, I took a hind and

946
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: a head and one of the guys grabbed a hind

947
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: and you know the other guy grab it. Was it

948
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: was a lot of meat and got it packed out

949
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: and the knees were barking at the end of that

950
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: twenty five reversing that twenty five hundred feet down, But

951
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: it was good.

952
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: You were probably happy for those switchbacks on the way down. Yeah, yeah,

953
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: let's did it straight down.

954
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the switchbacks were good, you know, no big

955
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: steps and the little celebratory pendleton at the at the

956
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: truck was was nice, you know, sit down with all

957
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: those guys and and my buddy new buddy Andy came

958
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: up to the trailhead and kind of and he wasn't

959
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: able to make it that day, but it had been

960
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: helping quite a bit, and so it was. It was

961
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 2: a good time. You know, it's so cliche to say,

962
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: but there's nothing like everybody's sitting on that tailgate one

963
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: after another, like unloosing their belts and letting that pack

964
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: fall down. And to have a little Pendleton down with

965
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: the truck together and celebrate was was pretty awesome.

966
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, speaking of pendleton, I think we have some

967
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: pendleton whiskey Q and a uh time to dive into

968
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: You got time for that?

969
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're good.

970
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, Let's see these uh these questions are called

971
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: into our hotline. And if you guys ever have any

972
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: questions and you don't want to send an email, you

973
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: just want to pick up the phone and call us

974
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: and ask us a question, you just dial to zero

975
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: eight two one nine seven seven zero one and uh

976
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: we'll read your question here on on air and answer

977
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: it best we can. Or if you're more of an

978
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: email type person, you can always email us at ct

979
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: D at Phelps Game Calls dot com shoot us over

980
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: a question or or a comment. You know, you might

981
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: just say, you know that the pink call, Jason's favorite call,

982
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: the one with a little Juggernaut on it. You know,

983
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: it's it's not as good as he says. You know,

984
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: it's more of a Maverick type of a type of

985
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: a thing you like to use for that for your hunt.

986
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: I gotta give you hard time, though, So I'm gonna see,

987
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try real hard to see if you can

988
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: hear these these questions. So and me too. So here

989
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 1: we go. Question number one is a brand with I'm

990
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: wondering trail heads. Where do most people park?

991
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: What's the best area to go for non motorized vehicles.

992
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: If you guys give me put that, greatly appreciate it.

993
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: I'll let you, uh answer this question. I'll let you

994
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: start with it. I know we have some ideas on this.

995
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: We've we've been to the mountains of Colorado before.

996
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: So, yeah, parking at trailheads like some I don't want

997
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: to oversimplify it, like sometimes there's nowhere else to park

998
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: but a trailhead. If that's depending on how you're gonna hunt,

999
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: If that's your way into the area, you're kind of limited.

1000
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: You got to get on that trail. It's going to

1001
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: make it most efficient, it's going to make it, you know,

1002
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: the easiest way in the trails. Usually, you know, the

1003
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: best way there. There's no trees in your way, Especially

1004
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: in the area you're talking about, there's blowdown jackstraw, burnt

1005
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: trees everywhere. Going off trail in there to make ground

1006
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: up when you're not hunting is going to be like

1007
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 2: the most non you know, inefficient way to move about

1008
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: in there. So you're gonna want to take the trails

1009
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: to get to an area until you can get up

1010
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: and out of that brush. One thing I do different

1011
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: is I don't like to use trailheads if I can

1012
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: avoid them, if I can figure out a different area

1013
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: to get into a little niche basin or into a

1014
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: slightly different drainage, and I can get away from all

1015
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: that pressure on that trailhead. I just feel that that

1016
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: pressure at the trailhead pushes elk into areas that may

1017
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: just be off from the trailhead, you know, one or

1018
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: two ridges finger ridges away, and as long as there's

1019
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: a spot beg enough for me to pull my truck over,

1020
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: and people can get a horse trailer by or their

1021
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: own vehicles. Like you're you're allowed to and I don't

1022
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: know if I'm getting to the exact question. You're allowed

1023
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: to park wherever you want on four service, as long

1024
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: as you're not interrupting traffic flow up and down that road.

1025
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: So some of my favorite spots might just be a

1026
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: half mile off of a trailhead or a mile off

1027
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: of a trailhead. May get me into the same general area,

1028
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 2: but does give me a different look or a different

1029
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: hunt on the way to that area. So I don't

1030
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: know if there's anything to add, Dirk, but that's kind

1031
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: of my you know take. If I need to be

1032
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 2: on that trail I'm gonna park at the trailhead. If

1033
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: i'm hunting the area around the trailhead or you know,

1034
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: areas adjacent to the road, then I'll just park wherever

1035
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: I've got the ability to and go.

1036
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. And I have to

1037
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: apologize to our caller that we weren't able to answer this,

1038
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, in season. I know he was on his

1039
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: way to hunt elk right when he sent that, uh

1040
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: that question, but unfortunately we were we were out hunting too,

1041
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: and and didn't have access to internet so we could

1042
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: listen to these questions and then record in a timely fashion.

1043
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: But hopefully this will help you for next year. And

1044
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right, And then he had a question

1045
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: about you know, identifying non motorized trails and stuff. So

1046
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: if you get your get out, you're on X maps

1047
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: and and and go through the different layers. You can

1048
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: select the state and then select the different features on

1049
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: the map and trails and and roads and such as.

1050
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: You have some options there to where you can you

1051
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: can identify quickly and easily which trails are are motorized

1052
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: and which are not, and you can click on those

1053
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: trails or roads and a little a little screen will

1054
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: pop up there and I'll let you kind of read

1055
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: about it. Some trails you know, during during certain times

1056
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: of the year, uh, they do allow motorized travel. But

1057
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: it'll have the dates on there for the most part,

1058
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe maybe August thirtieth, the motorized juice

1059
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: discontinues and then it's it's foot traffic or horse traffic

1060
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: from then on out for the rest of the year.

1061
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: But you can identify those things pretty quickly, pretty easily.

1062
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: Yep. And I will say just because some of these

1063
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: on X trails, like Dirk says, a seasonal one, sometimes

1064
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: on X may or may not pick up the seasonality

1065
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: of those. They may just say it's motorized and you

1066
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 2: get there and it's closed on September first, on some

1067
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: partnership or it's sometimes worth if it's Forest Service to

1068
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: you know or whoever it may be the owner is

1069
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: to go do a little research on that trail on

1070
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: the Forest Service. Like if I've got my game plan

1071
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 2: down to spots A, B and C, and there's certain

1072
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: trails in the area, I will go to the Forest

1073
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: Services page and say what you know, go to their

1074
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: recreation tab and go see what it says that trail

1075
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: could because that's where it'll give you the seasonality of

1076
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 2: those trails, and it just lets you kind of double

1077
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 2: check on exes because on X is right ninety nine

1078
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: point nine percent of the time. But I believe the

1079
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: way that the you know, some of the old Forest

1080
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: Service trail maps may feed the system, there's sometimes a

1081
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 2: little bit of there could be some discrepancies.

1082
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there could be an update that's changed everything. Wildfires too.

1083
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: This year, Man wildfires created a lot of issues for

1084
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: folks hunting just because different areas were shut down, different

1085
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: roads systems and trails were shut down. So yeah, absolutely,

1086
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: like Jason said, go to their website and if there's

1087
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: no trail, if there's no well, wildfires threatening the area

1088
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: a lot of times. What I'll do is also you

1089
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: can request a paper copy of the of the travel

1090
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: management plan for that particular area and it'll have a

1091
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: map and with the legend that shows you which ones

1092
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: are are are motorized and which ones are not. So

1093
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: all right, color number two.

1094
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 3: Hey, Jason and Dirt, this is Riley from Colorado. I'm

1095
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: doing my first season of boat hunting for help, and

1096
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 3: the question that I have is, at what point do

1097
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: you decide to move on from a specific area because

1098
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 3: of too much pressure from other hunters or you're just

1099
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 3: not seeing any elk? You know, I'm on day two

1100
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 3: or two full days and inspecific area and I've seen

1101
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: barely any sign, but I just nothing's talking. I haven't

1102
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: seen anything. I just want to know what your thought

1103
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 3: process is for when you determine that a specific area

1104
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: just isn't holding any elk and when you want to

1105
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: move on to somewhere else. Thanks a lot, I really

1106
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: appreciate the podcast. It's been super educational for me. And

1107
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 3: keep doing what you're doing.

1108
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: So Riley from Colorado want to know when to move on?

1109
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: Do you want I take a little crack at it

1110
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: and then you want to add too. Okay, sure, so

1111
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 2: I'm for those that don't know me like I've got it.

1112
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: I've probably got a little bit of low, low grade

1113
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 2: ADHD and I cannot. I like, I either need to

1114
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: be an elk or I need to be moving on.

1115
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: And I sometimes I think it's to my benefit. Sometimes

1116
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 2: it might actually be to the detriment. But I feel

1117
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 2: that with unless there's there's like a deeper area. Let's say,

1118
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: you know, some of these areas you go into, like

1119
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: you can't cover the whole thing within you know, a

1120
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 2: five day span. It's just it's too deep. But if

1121
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: let's say it's a three to five mile hike, I know,

1122
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: within that hike, if I hit the right areas, if

1123
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm hitting the ridge lions, if I'm hitting mid Soiak trails,

1124
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: and if i go check out the meadows or the

1125
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: fringes or the wallows, like if I've if I'm able

1126
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: to identify low passes in the ridge meadows where they

1127
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: should be feeding or alpine areas where they should be

1128
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: feeding water, and then on some of these fringes, I

1129
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: know within a day if I'm gonna hunt there again

1130
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: or if it's worth my time regardless of bugles. Like

1131
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: if you let's say I don't hear a bugle, like

1132
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: I I could be very confident in an area if

1133
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: I do or do not hear a beagle. There should

1134
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: be scat on the ground. There should be tracks on

1135
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: the ground. There should be this year's rubs or you know,

1136
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: last year's rubs in the area. And there should be

1137
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: some sign you know, if you're at a wallow, they

1138
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: should be used. It shouldn't be crystal clear water with

1139
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: no you know, recent tracks around the edge. Uh, And

1140
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,959
Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm just going there's somewhere else in that unit.

1141
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 2: There's somewhere else around me that the elk are being active,

1142
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: and then the the beagles are just kind of icing,

1143
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: you know, on the cake, Like that's that's the guaranteed

1144
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: they're there. And if I've got beagles and there's enough elk,

1145
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 2: and then I also weigh in pressure, like there's as

1146
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: Dirk had mentioned earlier some of his Idaho spots, like

1147
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: I'm not willing there could be one hundred elk and

1148
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: you know, a hundred bowls bugling and just but if

1149
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: there's a hundred guys also hunting. I'm gonna go find

1150
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: the one or two elk that are bigling and maybe

1151
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 2: nobody's hunting, because I feel like, honestly, that's my better

1152
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: chance at killing a bowl. And we don't talk about

1153
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: this a lot. We did it in New Mexico a lot.

1154
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 2: We do it. You know, I did up my Washington

1155
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 2: hunt that the best check mark or the best way

1156
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: to test is bigle into the area at night. We

1157
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: don't talk about a whole lot, but if you can't

1158
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: get a bagle in there, you know from when it

1159
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: gets dark to about an hour after. And I've found

1160
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: that that works better than in the morning. A lot

1161
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: of times I would I would just leave the area.

1162
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: I would go find somewhere else. That's that's my answer

1163
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: on that. I'm I'm quicker to pull the trigger or

1164
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: pull up the anchor and move on than most and

1165
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: but I just want to be in action every morning

1166
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: and every evening.

1167
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent. Yeah. Like like you said,

1168
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, you're checking all the the boxes for sign

1169
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. When I look in an area, I look

1170
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: at all the likely places I'm going to find an elk.

1171
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: Especially in September, it's usually kind of warm. You got

1172
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: some warm mid days, evenings can be cooler, but a

1173
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: lot of times it can be really warm. So I'm gonna,

1174
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna target those north facing slopes on the landscape

1175
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: and i'm gonna I'm gonna check the boxes on each

1176
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: one of those north facing slopes in an area and

1177
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: make sure so just because you go to the first

1178
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: north facing slope and there's no sign, no fresh sign,

1179
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: no bugles, that doesn't mean the one around the corner

1180
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: is not going to just be loaded. So but if

1181
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: you're if you're looking at a mountain range or or

1182
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: an area that you can effectively hunt within a two

1183
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: or three day period, if you had to spend some

1184
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: major time in there, you could you can maybe touch

1185
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: those those bases pretty quickly. Like the last two days

1186
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: of elk season here in Idaho, we went and we

1187
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: hiked in. We earlier in the year, we had earlier

1188
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: in the season, we had backpacked in. But I'm like,

1189
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's not deep enough to where we have

1190
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: to back back in, So we're just gonna go light,

1191
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna go fast, and we're just gonna go check

1192
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 1: everything we can and then dig in. So we'd left

1193
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: no stone unturned. We hiked, we got high, got up

1194
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: on top of the ridges, and then once you had

1195
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: that elevation, start checking off all those little every little

1196
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: north facing pocket. And this area was easy because the

1197
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: north faces all had timber and everything else had grass

1198
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: and sagebrush, so it's easy to identify those places. So

1199
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: you go there and check those spots off. And if

1200
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: if you're just not hearing bugles and not seeing fresh sign,

1201
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: fresh scat, fresh rubs, we move on and within a

1202
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: short amount of time you can be like, yeah, I'm

1203
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: not gonna hunt your I'm not gonna waste any more

1204
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: time waiting for more elk to move. In some areas,

1205
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: a lot of elk will move come and go. They

1206
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: they they're pretty nomadic. But I'm not gonna probably spend

1207
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: a lot of time waiting for elk to come back

1208
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: in the spot. I'm gonna I'm gonna quickly move on

1209
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: to another spot to where I'm finding fresh sign hand

1210
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: or bugles, yep.

1211
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: And I'm always making mental notes like if I go

1212
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: into an area and kind of check it and it's

1213
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: it doesn't have elk sign, but maybe it has some

1214
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: old stuff or you know, we've did it enough where

1215
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: it just looks like it should have ELK. I won't

1216
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: write that off for the whole season, but I might

1217
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: give it a week and then come back. Like like

1218
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 2: Derek said, if it's got the things that needs, they

1219
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: just might not be there right now, or you just

1220
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: never know. You know, is there pressure, is it somewhere

1221
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: they're going to move into later in the season. So

1222
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: you're trying to but that really takes. It's taken me

1223
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: a long time to get comfortable knowing like I'm not

1224
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: writing that off first. I'm going to write this but off,

1225
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: you know, spot off, and I may come back later.

1226
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, it's I'm also not hunting like low density.

1227
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: Like let's say we did a two or three day

1228
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: loop and we got one bowld of Bugle, I'm probably

1229
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: not gonna like, I want to go find a higher density.

1230
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: I want to have more options than the one bowld

1231
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: at Bugle. You know, seven miles in on my big

1232
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: loop hike. You know, I'm gonna go find something better

1233
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: because I feel like I need my odds to be

1234
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: higher than screwing up on one bowl unless it's the one.

1235
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: You know, some guys are out there looking for specific elk,

1236
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: you know, you might be willing to stay, but for me,

1237
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move on quicker than most.

1238
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: And another thing to do is identify how old the

1239
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: sign is and how relevant that is to when elk

1240
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: are going to be back there. For instance, in Idaho,

1241
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: we found some places. I don't think I've ever seen

1242
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: so many rubs in my entire life. Literally, these areas,

1243
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: these bedding areas had every frickin' tree rubbed from like

1244
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: olden days to like recently. It was. It was insane.

1245
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: It's just like you get in this little pocket on

1246
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: one of those north faced slopes, on a little flat

1247
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: and the elk could destroy the trees in there. I

1248
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: was like, we got to kill we got to kill

1249
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: an elk for the sake of the trees, you know,

1250
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: do it for the trees. Nobody's looking out for the trees,

1251
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: you know. But anyway, but you couple that along with

1252
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: howlds the scat well, the scot was probably three four

1253
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: weeks old, So in my mind, the bulls or wintered,

1254
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: they summered up in this area, spent most of their summer.

1255
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: They they kind of did that pre rut thing where

1256
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: they got they were hanging around each other, they were

1257
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: rubbing a bunch, and then once that first sweet smell

1258
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: of September, the cows coming into heat, they all vacated

1259
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: the area and hadn't been back. There was no fresh

1260
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: sign that had been there. And then one thing that

1261
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: kind of proves my theory as well. In this one spot,

1262
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: I found some dude's trail camera and he didn't lock it,

1263
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: so I didn't tamper with him bother other than I

1264
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: did pull the card and look at his card, and

1265
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: you could see there hadn't been anything on there within

1266
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: the last three or four weeks. So that just that

1267
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: made me think, yep, they're them things were here were

1268
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: Our timing is wrong. If we'd have been here opening

1269
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: week a season, we probably would have been in some

1270
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,479
Speaker 1: pretty good bowls. But at the end of season, those

1271
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: elk are not there and they're probably not going to

1272
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: come back until the next year. So looking at those

1273
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: signs and kind of doing a little bit of you know,

1274
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: the art of deduction like Sherlock Holmes would do, you

1275
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: could would kind of lead you to your next plan

1276
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: of next plan of attack. All right, Collar number three, Hey.

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01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 5: Dark, Jason brand Schmidt's North Idaho hunting steep and deep.

1278
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 5: I just got a question kind of revolved more hunt

1279
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 5: and elk around Grizzly Country. Bumped into the sow, three

1280
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 5: cubs still alive, luckily, Just when you're going in areas

1281
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 5: like that, and how often I guess I don't know,

1282
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 5: would you guys even know do ge bears usually typic

1283
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 5: hang out around the same areas. I mean, I've been

1284
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 5: back in there after a herd bull calling in the yards,

1285
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 5: hung up right behind the tree, and yeah, it's just

1286
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 5: a little eerie.

1287
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 3: Going in there.

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01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 5: Haven't had any run ins with her lately, thank god,

1289
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 5: But just yeah, you guys know if bears kind of

1290
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 5: just hang ou around the area. I mean, obviously there's

1291
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 5: Oulton there and they all love the same spot. Regarding

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01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 5: that anyways, thanks, I'm going.

1293
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: Grizzly bears and herd bulls and whether they hang around

1294
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: the same spot. So thanks for that question, Brandon, And

1295
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: I'll preface this whole answer with I'm not a grizzly

1296
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: bear expert by any means, but.

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01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:46,439
Speaker 1: You play one on TV.

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01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do hunt Grizzly Country a lot. I've I've

1299
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: tried to become, you know, bear aware, I'm always paying attention,

1300
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm always looking. But I think this time of year,

1301
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 2: you know, within a sea in their their food source

1302
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 2: isn't changing much. The area they're probably inhabiting isn't changing much.

1303
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 2: So it might not be the answer you want, But

1304
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that grizzly bear is going to be in

1305
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 2: that general area for for the foreseeable, you know, a

1306
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: little bit until the weather starts to hit. So pretty

1307
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 2: short answer might not even be the right answer, But

1308
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 2: as a hunter, I would always assume that that sow

1309
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: with cubs is going to be in that same general

1310
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 2: area for you know, during that September season into into

1311
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: early October, before she you know, moves spots. But Dirk

1312
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: may may have a better answer.

1313
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely not a grizzly bear expert at all.

1314
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm just going to regurgitate some information I've I've learned

1315
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: from other people just because I have I've never had

1316
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: the privilege of living around grizzlies, even though I've hunted

1317
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: around him a couple times. But North Idaho, my good

1318
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: buddy Tom Schneider, who lives in North Idaho, they've hunted

1319
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: and around with grizzlies. Their whole life in the area

1320
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: they hunt, and he said there's very there's a couple

1321
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: specific areas that they know. He's like, I can go

1322
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: up there any day in the fall and we can

1323
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: see a grizzly to multiple grizzlies. It's just they really

1324
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: like certain areas, probably in the fall. And I'm wondering,

1325
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, if it's due to the berry crop, you know,

1326
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: the huckleberries. There's obviously some food source, maybe maybe even

1327
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're just away from where people are

1328
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: going to really bother them too much. There's a few

1329
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: different factors there, I would imagine. I do know bears,

1330
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: grizzly bears can wander a lot too, you know. I

1331
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: feel like male bears cover a lot of ground. I'm wondering,

1332
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: like the age of the of the cubs, if they're

1333
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: real young, they may may not travel as much. They

1334
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: may just kind of have their little home homestead staked

1335
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: out there to where they they feel safe and maybe

1336
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: they don't have to move around as long as it's

1337
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: got a food source. But I know other friends who

1338
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: have talked about running like I just did a podcast

1339
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: with my good my good friend ron Najoelik out of wyoming,

1340
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to listen to this that one. It's

1341
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to it already, you don't want

1342
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: to listen to it. Because he had he encountered forty

1343
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: one grizzly bears this September twenty some under thirty yards

1344
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: I think, or under fifty yards. It's a crazy story.

1345
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: He had a wild September. But he talked about encountering

1346
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: a grizzly in a certain spot and then a few

1347
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: days later encountering them again in the same spot. So

1348
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: I feel like they kind of have their little hangouts

1349
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: where they like to be just from information I've heard

1350
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: from other people. But they will travel quite a bit.

1351
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: But I would definitely anticipate seeing If you've seen grizzlies

1352
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: in one spot before, you'll probably see him again, I wish.

1353
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: And that's probably not the answer you want to hear.

1354
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,479
Speaker 2: He's wanting to go back in. Youre after that heard bowl,

1355
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: But I'm like I would, I'd be looking for a

1356
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 2: grizzly bear if I went back in.

1357
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh definitely, all right, last question calling them before.

1358
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:03,439
Speaker 2: Hey guys, I doing.

1359
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Speaker 4: My name is Ron Hoppy. I've work and live out

1360
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 4: here in Wyom, southern Wyoming. Why do I know your

1361
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 4: thoughts on early season bulls when you find them and

1362
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 4: get into them, you know, early September and then middle

1363
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 4: of the late September, a lot of them bold are

1364
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 4: gone due to pressure. Curious your thoughts on how far

1365
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 4: do you think they go from their original bedding area,

1366
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 4: you know, a drawer or two over? Do they go

1367
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 4: miles or you know? Or do you think they stick

1368
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 4: around closer to their home.

1369
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: Turfs than versus they think?

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Speaker 4: So, I know a lot has to do with it

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01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 4: with pressure, But curious your thoughts on how far they

1372
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 4: travel once they get spooked or pushed or smell.

1373
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Speaker 2: A human so like to show appreciate it, thanks, How

1374
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: far they travel once they get pressured? Yeah, so yeah,

1375
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna wind this back to before they

1376
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 2: get pressured, And it really depends on how close everything

1377
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 2: is they need, their to their food, to their betting

1378
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: or security, which we're talking now about their betting insecurity

1379
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: because of pressure. So food, water, betting, in security. Right,

1380
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: are the three things I always look for when when

1381
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: I'm looking for elk so unpressured, it depends on how

1382
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 2: close those things are you know, in the Northwest it

1383
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 2: can be really tight because we seem to have food everywhere.

1384
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: We seem to have you know, water everywhere and mainly timber.

1385
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's exactly, you know, I've

1386
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 2: never hunted up north with dirt, but I'm assuming it's

1387
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: fairly similar. Your your food, your betting, and your water

1388
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 2: is all fairly tight. Now you go to New Mexico,

1389
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: your water is now two miles from your bedding, and

1390
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 2: the food may be scattered anywhere in between. And so

1391
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 2: those elk are already moving a mile two miles plus,

1392
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit more of that nomadic style.

1393
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 2: They're so dependent on their water. The water is only

1394
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: so locations, and then there's got to be a mix

1395
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: of all of that, right, So it's just that proximity.

1396
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 2: When they start to get bumped, I feel that elk

1397
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 2: for a day or two will forego or give up

1398
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 2: some of those things. Now, they may still need to

1399
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 2: find water, they may still need to have food, and

1400
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: they still may but they're they're now prioritizing security, right,

1401
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 2: and they're willing to give up a little bit of

1402
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: their best food source. They're willing to give up the

1403
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 2: absolute best water. They may go get it for you know,

1404
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 2: in the dark. It really has hit or miss around home.

1405
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: The elk won't really go anywhere when they're pressured because

1406
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 2: they've got so much timber, they've got so much cover.

1407
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 2: I've been up in some of my spots in the

1408
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 2: cascades of Washington, or I've been you know, in Idaho, Wyoming,

1409
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 2: and you put some pressure on elk and you may

1410
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: see him moving three to four miles over the ridge line,

1411
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: but they're going to a spot that they either know

1412
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 2: or there that they've already been that has those same

1413
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: three things water, food and security, escapement betting to go

1414
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: and get away from the pressure that you've provided. So

1415
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: I know I am answering the question without answering your question.

1416
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's as simple as you know.

1417
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 2: These elk might go, you know, two minutes away, or

1418
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 2: these elk might go two miles away. It's it's really

1419
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: just hit or miss on where those elks think that

1420
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: they can survive without pressure and and get by.

1421
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. Now he he you

1422
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: got you answered kind of pressure. I'm gonna talk more

1423
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: about move for the rut. So sometimes that first week

1424
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: of season, you'll find those bowls, maybe solitary, spread out

1425
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: and where they pretty close to where they spend their

1426
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: summer once they kind of once they have their little

1427
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: argument with all their buddies and split off from each other,

1428
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: and then once they leave from that, it can be

1429
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: who knows where. So typically for me, where I've had

1430
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: trail cameras around the tenth to the fifteenth of August,

1431
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: once I see one bowl on camera, Let's say I've

1432
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: had like a whole bunch of bulls on this camera

1433
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: all summer long, and then the first bowl I see

1434
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: on there that has its velvet shed, I typically don't

1435
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: see any more bulls. They like, once you see that

1436
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: want first one hit, they let they leave, They're gone.

1437
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: They leave mid August and I may not even see

1438
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: them again until October November back on those same cameras.

1439
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: So and there's there's some of these areas I've had

1440
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: in places where there's pretty low ELK densities, But I've

1441
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of bulls in the summer. Come September,

1442
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: you try to find them, I don't. I don't know

1443
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: where they all went. Like you would think, oh, the

1444
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: next ridge over the next drainage over it is going

1445
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: to be plum full of bulls. No, I think those

1446
01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: things they go out to seek their fortune. You're gonna

1447
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: find some cows somewhere else. And especially if there's not

1448
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: a lot of cows in the area, you may they

1449
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: they may they may scatter to the wind pretty far.

1450
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: Each bull may disappear quite a ways. If there's a

1451
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: lot of cows around, they may not have to go

1452
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: very far at all. They may just go, you know,

1453
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: a half a mile away or a mile away. So

1454
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: just depending on your elk densities could depend on where

1455
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna go. Now. I do have a buddy

1456
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 1: who had pictures of Giant Bowl down in southern Idaho.

1457
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: Every year, he'd been watching this giant bowl, like a

1458
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: three to ninety tight bowl, every every year. But about

1459
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: about every year about the same time, the thing would disappear,

1460
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: and they just they looked high and low throughout that unit,

1461
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: trying to turn that bull up, and you could never

1462
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: find it. Well, a couple of years later, you met

1463
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: some guy in from Utah, and the guy from Utah

1464
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: was showing him pictures of this bowl and he's like,

1465
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: whoa that that's my bull That bowl literally changed mountain

1466
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: ranges and states. It went from Idaho to Utah and

1467
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: go to Utah to rut every year. You know, it's

1468
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: like a twenty five mile trek over to where this

1469
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: this bowl was at. So you just never know how

1470
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: far those things are going to go and turn up.

1471
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: But one thing if you can, if you can get

1472
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: your trailcam game going, is find the cow groups. It's fun.

1473
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: I love seeing the bulls on the camera because look

1474
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: at that one. Oh, I'd like to shoot him. But

1475
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, cows are kind of boring to see on

1476
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: a trail camera. But if you can find that the

1477
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: cows in the summertime and to kind of figure out

1478
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: where the cows spend their time, you're going to kind

1479
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: of know where those those bulls are going to disappear

1480
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: to come September. Well, I think that wraps up our

1481
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: Pendleton whiskey Q and A. Do you have any other

1482
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: any thought, Jason on any of these topics.

1483
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 2: No, I think I think we covered it, you know

1484
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 2: pretty well. Getting packing today, so as soon as we're

1485
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: soon as we're off here, I'm going to load the

1486
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 2: trailer up on the side by side and all my

1487
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 2: gear again, man.

1488
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: Is that why you're giving me that funny look like ry?

1489
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 1: I want to get going?

1490
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I reserved. I had this reserve till

1491
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: till now, so we're we're good. No, just just on

1492
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 2: to the next one. This one is a meal deer

1493
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: slash elk hunt combo, going with my good buddy Tyson,

1494
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 2: and I'm since I've already killed an elk, I'm kind

1495
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: of just back up elk hunter and then really just

1496
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 2: kind of focusing on meal deer. But if the hunting

1497
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: is good and the elk cooperate, might might have a

1498
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 2: chance at another elk there. But I'm not you know,

1499
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 2: I'm going in with with the intent of a muzzloader

1500
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 2: and being an elk packer spotter for Tyson. But everything

1501
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 2: everything goes right, might might get a chance at an

1502
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: elkre I at least have an elk tag in my pocket.

1503
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: A mixed bag if you will.

1504
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have ten ten days in the back

1505
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 2: country of Idaho. This one's gonna be a little bit

1506
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 2: more spike out. You know, live off your back, live

1507
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 2: out of a tent for for ten days. So even

1508
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 2: though these ones aren't as luxurious as as most of you,

1509
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 2: know the camps are. I always look forward to these

1510
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 2: ones that are just a little more rough and you know,

1511
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 2: it's fun. I like, I like mixing it up. So

1512
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: this'll be more of our backpack hunt for this year.

1513
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm surprised, Tyson. I'll goell hunting or just hunting with

1514
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 1: you in general and Idaho because I know the last

1515
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: time you guys got together, it was like you almost

1516
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: froze to death yep, and almost snowed out.

1517
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, but last time we all kind of together. Though

1518
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 2: he killed that great like three point thirty bowl, I

1519
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 2: called in for him and then he didn't return to

1520
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 2: favor and call me one, and so I shouldn't go

1521
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:43,719
Speaker 2: to Idaho with him anymore?

1522
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: What a jerk.

1523
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,839
Speaker 2: No, we we we have a lot of fun. He's uh,

1524
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 2: he's a skilled glasser, so he always challenges me to

1525
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,560
Speaker 2: to really stay in the glass and make sure he

1526
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: doesn't spot everything before I do, or I spot stuff

1527
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: before he does so I can get a shot at

1528
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: the deer. And uh no, it'll be it'll be fun.

1529
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 2: Ready to go hunt hard and see what we can't

1530
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 2: maybe dig up.

1531
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm on that same moat here. As soon

1532
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: as we hang up on this call. I'm gonna start

1533
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 1: getting my poop in a group and getting packed for

1534
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: for Idaho deer and then elk as well with a rifle. Yeah,

1535
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. I'm gonna try to do kind

1536
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: of a hybrid. I'll probably spend some days some nights

1537
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: on the hill, you know, camped out and bivvy style

1538
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: or spike camp, and then probably have some nights in

1539
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: a in a base camp.

1540
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 5: Two.

1541
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: But looking forward to uh, maybe reaching out and touching

1542
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: one with a with a rifle. I'm hoping I hear

1543
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: a bugle or two, but who knows.

1544
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they should still be bugling a little

1545
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: bit maybe to start. The first couple of gun shots

1546
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 2: will probably shut shut them up real quick, but hopefully

1547
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 2: they'd be go a little bit to get the game started.

1548
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Last this last Saturday, so it wasn't any hunting

1549
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: season at all. My my brother in law Randy, and

1550
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 1: I were out on a dirt bike ride and doing

1551
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: a little little bit of scouting too, if you will,

1552
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, there's this one spot I really

1553
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: want to go check out and bugle intwo. So we

1554
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: hiked down into the spot and bugled nothing about the

1555
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: third bugle.

1556
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 4: I heard it.

1557
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 1: Down on the bottom, like, oh yeah. So we just

1558
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: kind of sat there bullshitting a little bit and did

1559
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of more Collin and I'm just kind

1560
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: of talking and looking. Of course, neither one of us

1561
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: broad binoculars because we're dirt biking, right, And I looked

1562
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: down probably two hundred yards away. I'm like, there he is.

1563
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: That bull walked right out like dang it. Man, if

1564
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: it was rifle season, we could have just shot that joker.

1565
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 2: But is that how it's gonna work seven days from

1566
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 2: now on the fifteenth, man?

1567
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 1: I hope. So if I could be that lucky, I'm

1568
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: gonna go buy a lottery ticket.

1569
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 2: Well you a couple of years ago, you called them

1570
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 2: in for your wife, right the Oh yeah, I mean

1571
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: it could happen.

1572
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: We've kind of kind of a curse on that in

1573
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: that area where I called in that one for my wife.

1574
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: You know, she messed this bullet like forty yards. I'm like,

1575
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: did you hit it? She's like, oh, yeah, I hit it.

1576
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, where were you aiming? She's like,

1577
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: uh uh, I don't remember. Of course she missed it.

1578
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: And my son missed one at about forty yards in

1579
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: that same place, big six both big six points and

1580
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: then I missed one at about seventy five yards in

1581
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 1: that same area here. But unfortunately, I'm not going elk

1582
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: cutting in that spot this year.

1583
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,839
Speaker 2: Get out out of the dirt or the Durham triangle.

1584
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: But there's yeah, we got to get out of that place.

1585
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: But there is a curse upon calling in elk and

1586
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: missing them with a rifle. So though I did say, well,

1587
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: I will say I did calling a bowl to my

1588
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: to my tent in Wyoming in a few years ago

1589
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: and shot him from the tent. So that was that

1590
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: was cool. Yeah, I think that thing was blind and dumb, and.

1591
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, good luck on your your Idaho hunts,

1592
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,759
Speaker 2: and we're gonna go give it our all and hopefully

1593
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 2: we see if we can't see if these apple maggots

1594
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 2: can't bring a couple Idaho deer and elk back to

1595
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 2: our state.

1596
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: Man, you better hide those horns. You can drive through

1597
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: this state. People be thrown rotten eggs at you, guys.

1598
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 1: I love it all right, Well, good luck and we'll

1599
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: catch everybody next time.