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Speaker 1: We really thank you for being with us tonight.

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Speaker 2: On tonight's show, we've spoken at length about the biggest

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Speaker 2: storyline to us in college football, which is the talent

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Speaker 2: dream that's going on in Florida. Well maybe, just maybe

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Speaker 2: there's one major in state program that's getting set to

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Speaker 2: sort of cut off the drain, cut off that spict

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Speaker 1: Some of that in state talent at home. We will discuss.

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Speaker 2: I'm also going to revisit now that we've had a

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Speaker 2: few days to stew on it a little bit. Our

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Speaker 2: twenty four to seven Sports Top fifty Players in College

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Speaker 2: Football list. This did Bonker's numbers, by the way, I

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Speaker 2: would imagine we're probably going to put even more emphasis

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Speaker 2: on it this time next year. As usual, if you

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Speaker 2: have a top fifty list, you're gonna have some takeaway.

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Speaker 2: So they had pretty much every one of us talk

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Speaker 2: about who we thought was too high, who was too low,

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Speaker 2: who got snubbed, and I got qualifications for all three.

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Speaker 1: Tonight we had an email that.

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Speaker 3: Asked, I think a question that many have asked, not

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Speaker 3: so much speculative, but maybe more out of hope, and

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Speaker 3: that is, hey, with Nick Saban being his age and

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Speaker 3: how much longer is Nick Saban going to keep this up?

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Speaker 1: This one's really easy.

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Speaker 2: But then I think if you go in depth a

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Speaker 2: and sort of pick up what you're putting down. When

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Speaker 2: it comes to Alabama, Nick Saban, it very well could

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Speaker 2: be that fifty years from now, when you're telling the

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Speaker 2: story of Alabama football, it could be that there are

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Speaker 2: like two or three more incredible chapters in the Nick

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Speaker 1: Can't know that at ground level. Obviously you need the

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Speaker 2: We'll do all that, and then we'll talk about bowl games,

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Speaker 2: like Colin and I were in the break room before

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Speaker 2: the show, specifically, how are we going to have them?

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Speaker 2: How are you going to determine who goes to bowl games?

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Speaker 2: How many wins do you have to have? Is someone

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Speaker 2: gonna be three and seven and go to a bowl game?

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Speaker 2: Someone gonna be four and six out there and go

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Speaker 2: to a bowl game?

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Speaker 1: Answer?

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Speaker 2: Probably? Let's get into it tonight, shall we? Is Miami comming?

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Speaker 2: Is is that hurricane momentum that I actually feel now?

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Speaker 1: Again?

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Speaker 2: As I said on the beginning of the show, a

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Speaker 2: of it has also had to do coincidentally with those

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Speaker 1: Not every one of them, but who down there.

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Speaker 2: Capitalizes because it's wide open right now, it's there, The

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Speaker 1: Miami's no different.

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Speaker 2: There's an undercurrent that you cannot see at fifty thousand feet.

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Speaker 2: You cannot just crack open a preview magazine. You can't

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Speaker 1: You gotta be in touch with the undercurrent.

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Speaker 2: This is the blog culture, this is the donor culture,

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Speaker 1: You haven't felt it.

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Speaker 2: If you live in Kentucky, you haven't felt it Nebraska

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Speaker 2: But what happened was the offense was a disaster at times,

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Speaker 2: a lot of the national attention waned, and of course

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Speaker 2: the locals weren't happy with the subpar record, but it

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Speaker 2: off season and a lot of people with proper perspective

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Speaker 2: but the best don't always click in year one. Nick

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Speaker 2: Saban was barely above five hundred and year one at

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Speaker 2: Alabama and he may be the greatest to ever do it,

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Speaker 2: got the right guy. But you need validation. And here's

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Speaker 2: what the validation is. He makes a move just like that,

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Speaker 1: Not only that, they see that quarterbacks a mess.

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Speaker 2: They go get this young man that Colin's showing you

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Speaker 2: instantly turned them into a contender, instantly make them capable

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Speaker 2: digit underdog. Zam thinking to one on the road in

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Speaker 2: the state of South Carolina specifically this year, because they

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Speaker 2: is those were two things immediately that coaching staff, led

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Speaker 1: Took decisive action.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the third component, and here's the one that

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Speaker 1: Recruiting.

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Speaker 2: That's what it all circles back to when James Williams

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Speaker 2: I will tell you readily. I thought Georgia led for him,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden he commits to Miami and

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Speaker 2: point to say it's about family, it's about brotherhood.

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Speaker 1: You know the old talking.

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Speaker 2: Points down there that when Miami's writer more than just

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Speaker 1: He dropped all those on you, didn't he?

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Speaker 2: And then the attention turned to a couple of other places.

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Speaker 2: We got James Williams, he's staying home, five star athlete.

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Speaker 2: On that one, it looks like an Alabama Miami battle there.

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Speaker 2: They grow on trees literally down there, and you ask yourself,

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Speaker 2: It's early August. I should know when it is August sixth.

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Speaker 2: That's my dad's birthday.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. So early.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday to Dan Pate and also possibly happy birthday

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Speaker 1: They will be bathing in.

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Speaker 2: The kool aid already in Miami circles if those things

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Speaker 2: But then you have what figures to be one of

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Speaker 2: the chaos and surprise everyone. Miami's already done it a

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Speaker 2: couple of times on the recruiting trail. I'm just throwing

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Speaker 2: this big fat what if out there. What if the

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Speaker 1: But what if Miami is the team this.

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Speaker 2: What if it's validated on the football field, not in

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Speaker 2: You got it figure out far more than by default

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Speaker 1: I think that's what's about to happen to Barmore.

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Speaker 2: I think they're going to heavily incorporate him in this

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Speaker 2: He said, why do all these kids commit to Alabama

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Speaker 2: is not conventional. Nick Saban is, however old, he is

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Speaker 2: sixty eight, sixty seven years old, whatever old he is,

441
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Speaker 2: I know his birthday's on Halloween. I think I told

442
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Speaker 2: the story one time. I don't know if it was

443
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Speaker 2: on this show, but I told the story on the

444
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Speaker 2: podcast one time, just to show you how unconventional he is,

445
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Speaker 2: if you're not already sold on it. There was a

446
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Speaker 2: grad assistant that I knew that was working at Alabama.

447
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Speaker 1: Now, this kid's in his early twenties. This was recently.

448
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Speaker 2: It was fairly recently, so Saban's in his mid sixties

449
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Speaker 2: at that point. And he said, you know, the one

450
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Speaker 2: thing that's going to separate me is I'm going to

451
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Speaker 2: be able to get to the building every day before

452
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Speaker 2: he gets there, and I'm going to leave after him.

453
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Speaker 2: So he's gonna notice that, and that's how I'm going

454
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Speaker 2: to get ahead. It sounds like a full proof plan,

455
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Speaker 2: by the way, and I said, more power to you.

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Speaker 1: Good for you, man.

457
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Speaker 2: Two weeks, I kid you, not two weeks go by

458
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Speaker 2: and it was like he went on a diet that

459
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Speaker 2: he couldn't sustain.

460
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Speaker 1: He said, I can't do this anymore.

461
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Speaker 2: I couldn't make it, man, he said, I made it

462
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Speaker 2: about four or five days, and at that point I couldn't.

463
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Speaker 2: I couldn't keep those hours. This is a grad assistant.

464
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Speaker 2: He's not tasked with doing everything Saban does. He said,

465
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Speaker 2: getting there that early and staying there that late. Even

466
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Speaker 2: if I was a zombie from like the hours of

467
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Speaker 2: eleven am to four pm, just sitting at my desk

468
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: drooling on my shirt, I still couldn't do it. So

469
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Speaker 2: this man's doing it and operating at a machine like

470
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Speaker 2: capacity all day. It's not conventional. So don't apply the

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Speaker 2: typical late sixty year old convention to Nick Saban. He's

472
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Speaker 2: not really a human in that sense. He's more a

473
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Speaker 2: machine in that sense. But aside from that, I just ask,

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Speaker 2: what's the argument, Like, if it's one thing, if you

475
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Speaker 2: want Alabama to fade away, I'm not asking that, Okay,

476
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Speaker 2: if you're not a Bama fan, of course you're rooting

477
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Speaker 2: for that. But I'm asking, if you truly believe that

478
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Speaker 2: that's happening or about to happen, what evidence are you

479
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Speaker 2: looking at? And so I asked that to Jeff, and

480
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Speaker 2: I asked that to a lot of other people who

481
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Speaker 2: ask variations of this question.

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Speaker 1: And here's what I get. What I get is well,

483
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Speaker 1: they're fading, they haven't been as good lately. What are

484
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Speaker 1: we talk talking about last year.

485
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Speaker 2: You're talking about last year where they lost the quarterback

486
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Speaker 2: and but really defensive an offensive quarterbacks if you count

487
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Speaker 2: Dylan Moses. And they went to the Verbo Citrus Bowl,

488
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Speaker 2: which was the first time I learned what Verbo was.

489
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Speaker 2: So I guess that's why you buy naming rights to

490
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Speaker 2: a bowl game.

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Speaker 1: That's the fade. Is that the fade.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's the fade, guys, but I guess

493
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Speaker 2: by their standards it is. And then the other thing

494
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Speaker 2: is just they go to his age, and I think

495
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Speaker 2: I just knocked that down like a pinata. He's sixty

496
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Speaker 2: eight years old right now. I should have looked at

497
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Speaker 2: my notes. I wrote his age down in my own notes.

498
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Speaker 2: That's only relevant if he is showing age. He's sixty

499
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Speaker 2: eight and he outworks people who are forty eight. So

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Speaker 2: what if the sixty eight year olds running circles around

501
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Speaker 2: the forty eight year olds. Do you really care about

502
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Speaker 2: the age all that much?

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of these kids that commit

505
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Speaker 2: to Alabama that you're talking about really care either. Consider

506
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Speaker 2: what we have going on up there right now, what

507
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Speaker 2: we've seen as of late, and this even if you

508
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Speaker 2: were on the fence, which I'm not suggesting he has been,

509
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Speaker 2: But even if you were on the fence, you talk

510
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Speaker 2: about wanting to be reinvigorated. The overhaul they've had in

511
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Speaker 2: their sports science and strength and conditioning department, to be

512
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Speaker 2: honest with you, has been unlike anything I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: You don't normally hear this much noise about sports science

514
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Speaker 2: and strength and conditioning. Everyone I talked to at Alabama

515
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Speaker 2: raves about this stuff. I can't even get returns on

516
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: players because all they want to talk about.

517
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Speaker 1: Is guess what this dude David Blue is doing. Guess

518
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Speaker 1: what this doctor Matt Ray's doing up here?

519
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Speaker 2: And so I listen, a lot of it goes over

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Speaker 2: my head cause a sports scientist I am not sounds good,

521
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Speaker 2: sounds impressive. But they have unveiled a new sports science

522
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Speaker 2: center there. They've got what they think is the best

523
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Speaker 2: sports and strength and conditioning duo in the country in there.

524
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Speaker 2: So you've overhauled your strength and conditioning. You just signed

525
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Speaker 2: the number one quarterback in America in Bryce Young. You

526
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Speaker 2: signed probably one of, if not the most impressive edge

527
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Speaker 2: rushing classes that I've ever seen in that same recruiting

528
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Speaker 2: cycle last year, their current class.

529
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Speaker 1: They are loading up on wide receivers. Again. They may

530
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Speaker 1: sign the best offensive.

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Speaker 2: Line class that you've ever seen, if not the best,

532
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Speaker 2: easily one of the very best. And so I'm trying

533
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Speaker 2: to look for signs because i want to see him.

534
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Speaker 2: Trust me, I don't want to be made a fool of.

535
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Speaker 2: I want to see him. If you've got them, I

536
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Speaker 2: just don't think you have them. I think a lot

537
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Speaker 2: of people have fatigue, which is natural. I think a

538
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Speaker 2: lot of people want to see it happen, which is natural.

539
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Speaker 1: But there is a big difference between wants and beliefs.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know how any rational person can look

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Speaker 2: at Alabama right now and believe that they're going to

542
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Speaker 2: be anything other than a contender for the next several years.

543
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Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is, if this company will just

544
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Speaker 2: put four or five stars next to my name, they'll

545
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Speaker 2: offer me and I'll commit tomorrow. You don't want to

546
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Speaker 2: go there, I'll go there, last up and we'll get

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Speaker 2: out of here. Stephanie was asking a very good question.

548
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Speaker 2: Stephanie asked in the inbox earlier today. Hey, I'm thinking

549
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Speaker 2: about the end of the season while everyone's focused on

550
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Speaker 2: the beginning of the season, exactly what qualifications are they

551
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Speaker 2: going to use to decide bowl matchups?

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Speaker 1: Stephanie, do you hear those crickets?

553
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Speaker 2: Those crickets are the only ones here that want to

554
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Speaker 2: answer you right now, because I certainly don't know, and

555
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Speaker 2: they certainly don't know.

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Speaker 1: They and all caps.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the normal standard is six wins, which we know,

558
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Speaker 2: and then we have to bend that sometimes because we

559
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Speaker 2: don't have enough six win teams that qualify. So if

560
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Speaker 2: you make good grades, you can be five and seven.

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Speaker 2: That that whole deal. I don't know if it has

562
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Speaker 2: been widely reported. I've seen it somewhere, but if you

563
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Speaker 2: don't know already, we're gonna have a record number of

564
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Speaker 2: bowls this year. If every Bowl game is played, I

565
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Speaker 2: think we've got forty two or forty three of them.

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Speaker 2: You do the math on how many teams that you

567
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Speaker 2: need to fill those spots. We are not going to

568
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Speaker 2: have twelve game schedules, obviously, and so do you keep

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Speaker 2: the six win qualification?

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Speaker 1: Well, the answer is, of course not.

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Speaker 2: You couldn't even do that when everyone was playing twelve games,

572
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Speaker 2: so you certainly can't now. So the first thing you

573
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Speaker 2: have to do, and the reason why no one has

574
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Speaker 2: even broached this topic.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Is number one, you have to see the season get

577
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Speaker 2: off the ground, and then number two, you have to

578
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: see the season get played and see most of your

579
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 2: teams in conferences get to the actual finish line. Then

580
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, if we get to November and it looks

581
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Speaker 2: like things are going fairly smoothly, then we can start

582
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Speaker 2: talking about bowl games. But when is everyone's conference title

583
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Speaker 2: game gonna be played? When do we start the Bulls?

584
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Speaker 2: Do all the tie in still exist? Has anyone revoked

585
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: their sponsorship because COVID has hit them hard in the pocketbook?

586
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Speaker 1: Don't know all that.

587
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Speaker 2: Are all of the locations of the Bulls able to

588
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Speaker 2: be traveled to?

589
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Speaker 1: No one knows that.

590
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Speaker 2: But even when they do figure out all those questions,

591
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Speaker 2: someone's going to be four and six and make a

592
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Speaker 2: bowl game.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a four win team out there in

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Speaker 1: a bowl game.

595
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Speaker 2: And depending on how the season may potentially get truncated,

596
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Speaker 2: dare I say we may have a three win team

597
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Speaker 2: in a bowl game? Now Here was my preference, And

598
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Speaker 2: I was telling Colin this before the show, because most

599
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Speaker 2: people are going through some form of conference only scheduling.

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Speaker 2: This year, we had to cancel a lot of neutral

601
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Speaker 2: site games. Southern cal Alabama canceled. Don't know what's gonna

602
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Speaker 2: happen to All North Carolina looks like that's canceled though, well,

603
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Speaker 2: obviously that's canceled if you're playing conference only, so if

604
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Speaker 2: those teams aren't in the playoffs, Notre Dame Wisconsin, you know,

605
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Speaker 2: if those teams aren't in the playoffs. I wish that

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Speaker 2: a partnership could be worked out with one of these

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Speaker 2: ball games, or a few of these ballgames, to where

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609
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