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Speaker 1: Welcome to the official show on the Fish Stripes podcast channel.

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Speaker 1: Eli Susman here. Fish Stripes covers the Miami Marlins every

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Speaker 1: day in our own way, and we have a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun doing it. Thanks to every one of you

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Speaker 1: listeners for the support. Big plans for the pod channel

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. The season premiere of Earning Their

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Speaker 1: Stripes is on deck for next week. Soon after that,

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Speaker 1: we'll be launching a new additional daily program on this

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Speaker 1: feed too. In the meantime, the Marlins are putting the

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Speaker 1: finishing touches on the twenty twenty twenty twenty one off season.

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Speaker 1: It's been pretty widely reported, still unofficial, but pretty much

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Speaker 1: confirmed that outfielder Adam Duval has agreed to a one

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Speaker 1: year deal. We will discuss all the ramifications of that

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Speaker 1: on this episode. Plus there's news of the Marlins losing

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Speaker 1: a bidding war to the Phillies over and Kinseler, their

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Speaker 1: closer from last year. Yikes. Well, we'll dive into that

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Speaker 1: as well. Joining me on this show, it's fist Stripe's

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Speaker 1: Midwest correspondent Alex Krutchik. Thanks for taking the time, sir,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Eli.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to be on You're glad to be talking

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Speaker 2: Marlin's baseball again. Yeah. I recently moved to Cleveland about

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Speaker 2: a month ago, so I just needed to get back

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Speaker 2: on and talk Marlin's with a bunch of people, and

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Speaker 2: I felt like this week was the best way to

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Speaker 2: do it. I mean, three months of kind of a

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Speaker 2: cold stove and now in the past week we've had

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Speaker 2: pretty much the most exciting we've had all off season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, better late than ever to have something to talk about,

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Speaker 1: something to critique, and something to debate about. Also with

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Speaker 1: us are locally based intern Daniel Rodriguez. It's great to

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Speaker 1: have you back on the pod.

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Speaker 3: Daniel.

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Speaker 4: It's great to be here.

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Speaker 3: Eli.

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Speaker 4: It's great to see.

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Speaker 3: You Alec over there in Cleveland and Cleveland does rock,

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Speaker 3: and to see everything going on to Marlin's with Adam

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Speaker 3: Duval and you know, get finally getting a big signing

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Speaker 3: where like the last couple of months, the biggest signing

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Speaker 3: they had with Anthony Bass. But I'm ready to talk

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Speaker 3: about ad Duval and just everything that's been going on

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Speaker 3: with to Marlin's this crazy week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not gonna delay you any longer, just to get

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Speaker 1: into that Adam Duval as of on I guess it

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Speaker 1: was today's Wednesday. So on Tuesday we got the news

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Speaker 1: Adam Duval one year deal. It's five million dollars guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: so it's a tie really with Anthony Bass in terms

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Speaker 1: of guaranteed money, a unique structure to the deal. It's

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Speaker 1: only two million dollars a salary this year in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, then in twenty twenty two there's a mutual

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Speaker 1: option for potentially seven million dollars, but if either side

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Speaker 1: ops out of that, it's a three million dollar buyout.

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Speaker 1: So most of the money is actually getting delayed until

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Speaker 1: after this season, but it gets reported as five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: And uh we reached this late stage in the off

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Speaker 1: season with the Marlins missing out on so many of

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Speaker 1: these corner outfielders who were on the market, they were

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Speaker 1: running out of options. They got Adam Duval. So we'll

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Speaker 1: start with you, Daniel, just some general thoughts about Adam

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Speaker 1: Duval and his fit with the team. Where you like

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Speaker 1: the value or not.

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Speaker 3: I think the value what they got for Adam Duval

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Speaker 3: is it's about a good range for everything that he's

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Speaker 3: he had a really good upside last season sixty home runs,

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Speaker 4: His batting average is not going to be three hundred

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Speaker 3: for the tire Martins, it's really going to see who

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Speaker 3: are they going to let go? They have really too

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out who they let go

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, in this next minute, I'm trying to say

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Speaker 1: all these home runs that he hit last year because

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Speaker 1: He was an All Star in his first full season

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Speaker 1: And not really a surprise totally with this guy because

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Speaker 1: these rumors. I mean, he was the one that was

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Speaker 1: linking the Marlins to Duval I think back in December

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Speaker 1: really come out of nowhere. I'd say the Marlins were

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Speaker 1: someone that personally in heads had matchups with the Marlins

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Speaker 5: And he it's one high in the air toward left.

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Speaker 5: Look at that ball carry toward the.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder how much that headshead competition played into

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Speaker 1: like incredible he can be when he's actually hot, even

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Speaker 1: he's an inconsistent guy, but when he's actually on top

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things I love about getting a

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Speaker 2: we kind of know how he's gonna play in these ballparks.

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Speaker 2: You know, It's not like you got a guy coming

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Speaker 2: The Marlins are gonna play ten games at at Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna play eighty one game to Marlins Park, which

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Speaker 2: he obviously loves playing at. And so you can already

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Speaker 2: tell he played an exclusively east side schedule last year

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Speaker 2: in the American League, in the National League, and it

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Speaker 2: playing in those ballparks, it'll really it'll really translate well

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Speaker 2: in terms of slugging percentage. It was five sixty seven

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's so there's a lot of pros

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Speaker 1: Like they don't even weigh your most recent stats all

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Speaker 1: The fact that Kyle Schwarber got twice as much guaranteed

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Marlins in position where they're so focused

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Speaker 1: I don't I think fans should be prepared that there

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'll say. But I mean, more so

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Speaker 1: pretty sure they're dead last in baseball and total home

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Speaker 1: overall almost eight percent of the time when he comes

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Speaker 1: if nothing else that's fun. I mean, just to reduce

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Speaker 2: And that's why the strikeout problem that he has doesn't

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Speaker 2: they have power in Garret Cooper, but we haven't actually

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Speaker 2: who had an All Star season where you have over

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Speaker 4: Best power hitter. I wanted to mention it really quick.

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Speaker 3: Last year you mentioned that inconsistencies of Adam Duval. I

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Speaker 3: just want to go over a little bit of maybe

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Speaker 3: so great, just to showcase how inconsistent he can be

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Speaker 3: at times, especially at the beginning sliders he's he's been pitched.

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Speaker 3: Last year, one hundred and sixty minion pitches were sliders.

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Speaker 3: His batting average is one twenty five, six for forty

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Speaker 3: eight on sliders. But then you go to four scene

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Speaker 3: two hundred and eighteen pitches, his batting average is three

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty three fifteen for forty five. So it

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Speaker 3: really just depends on the pitches that Adam Duval sees.

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Speaker 3: If you go to cutters, he's batting five hundred, he's

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Speaker 3: six for twelve fifty five pitches, so it's really inconsistent,

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Speaker 3: and they really probably want to put him with pitchers

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Speaker 2: Sounds a little suspiciously close to gian Carlos Stanton's problems

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Speaker 2: exactly and the power.

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Speaker 1: Almost as soon as this deal was agreed to between Duval.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Cooper, with a fly ball, this one is gonna

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there hasn't been any substantial report on Aguilar

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Speaker 1: Well, I think this is an important time to clarify

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago and made an impact right away

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Speaker 1: as a rookie in twenty nineteen. All that being said,

437
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: I watched him in winter Ball. He still does some

438
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: of the delightful things you like. He spreads the ball

439
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: to all fields. He runs surprisingly well for a guy

440
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: his size, but he doesn't hit the ball in the air.

441
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: He has a lot of fundamental issues defensively. So even

442
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Speaker 1: though we expect the DH to be here a year

443
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Speaker 1: from now, the unlikelihood that's gonna be here in twenty

444
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: twenty one. He is that very big issue because I

445
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: think he would be the weakest defensive outfielder on the roster.

446
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: I think he'd be mostly limited to just pinch hitting

447
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: if he actually even makes the team. And there's really

448
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: not much purpose of sending him down to the miners

449
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have anything left to prove down there

450
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: in terms of being an offensive player. That he just

451
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: seems like a much better fit in the AL this year,

452
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: and just with this decision, I think it kind of

453
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 1: telegraphs their intentions that they're not totally pleased with their

454
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: major league ready outfielders. So he eats someone that his

455
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: trade value is not quite as high as Cooper's. Let

456
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Speaker 1: me check right here, it's probably a little lower than

457
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Speaker 1: I would probably have it myself. Let's find for me

458
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: is I can't even find him on this list, But

459
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: like he'd bring back something in return, but not a

460
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Speaker 1: whole lot. This would just be more so about the

461
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: fit with the team. It's really as simple as that,

462
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: just fitting the roster that they have that his ceiling

463
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Speaker 1: as a player I don't think is quite as an

464
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Speaker 1: everyday player. He just I think he maxes out as

465
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: just a really fun platoon outfielder that you would use

466
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: in certain situations. That he's a major leaguer, I think

467
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: he's gonna be around for a while, but it seems

468
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: like a sloppy fit. But the guy I want to

469
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Speaker 1: spend more time on is Lewis Brinson. Because Brinson was

470
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Speaker 1: he was kind of vaulted as big the face of

471
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Speaker 1: the franchise as soon as they acquired him in the

472
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: Yellows trade, because of the Marlins connection, being a Marlins

473
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Speaker 1: fan growing up, and because of the fact that he

474
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Speaker 1: was the consensus top prospect in the organization at the time.

475
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Speaker 1: But I haven't seen this comparison. Maybe I'm the first

476
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Speaker 1: one to make it that him and Duval their profile

477
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: is actually surprisingly similar. I don't think people think of

478
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: that automatically. I mean, for the obvious reasons, the fact

479
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: that they're built a little bit differently. Brinton has more

480
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: pro typical great ethnic size, and he has your better

481
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: prospect pedigree, but he has some of the same potential

482
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: that makes Duval a successful major leaguer, and he has

483
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: some of the same flaws that have held Duval back.

484
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Speaker 1: And at this point in his career, like the absolute

485
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: best case pie in the sky scenario for Brinson is

486
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: to become a player like Adam Duvall. But I mean

487
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: the more reasonable scenario is that he's just not very good.

488
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: He's just not a major league quality player. I mean,

489
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: this was this twenty twenty season was his breakout year,

490
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: and he was still a replacement level player. Like, he

491
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: was made some great plays defensively, he had a couple

492
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 1: long home runs, and he had one really brief stretch

493
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: end of August early September when he was the hottest

494
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: hitter on the team. But overall, he's just he's not good.

495
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's now heading into his age twenty seven

496
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: season and he's a career hitter under two hundred, and

497
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: he strikes out close to thirty percent of the time,

498
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have good plate discipline. It's some of

499
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: the things that characterize Duval, except Duval has actually done

500
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: these things in the major leagues for years and years,

501
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: whereas Brinson he's been getting chance after chance and it't

502
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: it hasn't really translated at all. So I mean, before

503
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: turning back to you, I think the one reason why

504
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: I think the timing is right to get rid of Brinton,

505
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: I don't think they will. I think Harold is the

506
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: more likely one to be gone at this moment. But

507
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: with Brinson, it's an annual tradition in spring training that

508
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: he just lights the world on fire, that he shows

509
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: all this promise. He puts it all together in spring

510
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: training during these games that don't count, and he gets

511
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: our hopes up. So for me personally, I think it

512
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: would be it would be a relief to avoid all

513
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: that conversation this year, to pull the cord right now

514
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: and have him put up those great spring training numbers

515
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: somewhere else.

516
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

517
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: I was so excited last spring during that like two

518
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: week period where Major League Baseball was saying, Hey, maybe

519
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: we'll play the regular season at minor league parks, because

520
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: I thought that Lewis Brinson playing sixty games at Roger

521
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: Dean Stadium. I thought he was gonna win the Silver Slugger.

522
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna win MVP.

523
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 5: Two hundred and twenty six at bats no homers in

524
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 5: the big leagues. There's a high fly ball way back

525
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 5: left field. See you later, Lewis Brinson. I think you

526
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 5: put that on the roof of the Marlins building in

527
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 5: left field and it's two to nothing incredible. A season ago,

528
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 5: only one Major leaguer, Billy Hamilton, had more at bats

529
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 5: that a home run than Lewis Brinson.

530
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: But in all seriousness, I love Lewis Brinston and I

531
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: want nothing more if I had to pick any guy

532
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: on the team to be successful, to be in because

533
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: he's such a great guy and you can tell that

534
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: he has potential. He obviously has the physical capabilities to

535
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 2: do this, but if you take away the emotion behind it,

536
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: kind of what you mentioned before, his ceiling isn't that

537
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: high anymore and there's just not enough reason to believe

538
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: that he'll ever turn into an All star type player.

539
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: So I think that at this point, even if you

540
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: can't trade him, I think you have to send him

541
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Speaker 2: down to Triple A. He still has, I believe, one

542
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: option left, and unfortunately it might be a situation kind

543
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: of similar to last year where he started off in

544
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: the minor leagues and he only came up because of

545
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: the COVID breakout. I think you have to do something

546
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: similar this year where you put him in Triple A

547
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: and unless someone gets hurt, he can't come back. Up

548
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: because again, speaking of playing in spring training stadiums, we

549
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: already know that he's gonna put up numbers in Triple A.

550
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: I don't trust those numbers when he comes back up

551
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: to the major League. So I think that the only

552
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: reason you bring him up is if someone gets injured,

553
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: and if he can produce, then then great, you keep

554
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: him up and then you figure it out from there.

555
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to lay it all out for people. I mean,

556
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: Harold and Brinson both the same age. Harold is actually

557
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: a couple of months younger than Brinson. If you're that

558
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: type that wants to be really patient with players, Harold

559
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: is actually a little bit younger. Both of them have

560
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: one minor league option left, so they could be sent down,

561
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: but in both cases they really don't have anything left

562
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: approve down there. I mean, the issue with Brinson has

563
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: always been just translating that to the majors, and I

564
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 1: mean both of them, according to Baseball trade value, they

565
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: have essentially no trade value in either case. That's always

566
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: been interesting to me is how a number of these

567
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: analysts actually project Harold moving forward. All of them are

568
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: really skeptical of him being able to hit moving forward,

569
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: which is something I sort of disagree with. I think

570
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: he does a lot of things, spreading the ball to

571
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: all fields and the way he handles different types of pitchers.

572
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that will get on base

573
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: at a respectable CLI moving forward no matter what. But

574
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: the lack of power that he's shown is something that

575
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: really holds him back. Again, that's my prediction. I've been

576
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: terrible at predicting these things, but my prediction is that

577
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: Harold is the one that gets traded in these coming

578
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: days as a guy that they have less invested in.

579
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: I guess we should mention that angle of it too,

580
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: the fact that Brinson being billed as such a high

581
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: he single handedly he was a very big piece of

582
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: that Yellow steal, as was Monte Harrison. I mean, Monte

583
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: Harrison is another one that to this point didn't produce

584
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: in his very limited major league action, and he has

585
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: a minor league option left. But in the same way

586
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: as Brinson, you know, he's already performed at Triple A.

587
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: He just needs to carry it over to the major leagues.

588
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: But because of that and how much they have invested

589
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: in him, that makes it more likely that they give

590
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: him a longer leash to figure things out that they

591
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: prefer him as that, you know, backup option to step

592
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: up in case of injury, because inevitably there will be

593
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: an injury at some point. More so than anything else,

594
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm just excited for Kim Ang finally getting to make

595
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: an interesting decision because that's been one of the holdups

596
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: of this off season and it's not really her fault.

597
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, we can as best we can tell that

598
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: she's being restricted a little bit by the lack of

599
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: willingness to spend from ownership. She hasn't had to make

600
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting decisions this offseason, and this is

601
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: finally one of them. Finally to come in with a

602
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: fresh set of eyes and a fresh perspective on all

603
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: these players that have been in the organization a couple

604
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: of years, and for her to make a call or

605
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: at least have the loudest voice in the room to

606
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: make the call in terms of which of these players

607
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: is redundant, in which one of them you're just willing

608
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: to move on from to address another need that it

609
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: comes down to, So more than anything else, I'm just

610
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm excited for her to get an opportunity to actually

611
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: do something that matters.

612
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: The last thing they need to do is they need

613
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: to sign or a lever because obviously they lost Brandon

614
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: Kinsler this afternoon to the Phillies. And I did, do

615
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: you guys feel comfortable with Ryan Bass closing for the moment,

616
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: because I think that that's I think that that's what it's.

617
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: Looking like right now.

618
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Anthony Bass called him Ryan Basso.

619
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: Anthony Bass. I don't know who Ryan Bass is.

620
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: Also the Closer markets Actually, you know, they've got like Tremor,

621
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: Marco Milanson, Ken Giles, so I guess there are maybe

622
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: other guys to go for, but I'm guessing.

623
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Speaker 4: They want to go on Anthony Bassis. Then to the

624
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: statement Prodrick as.

625
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: The Wall paid them a good amount of money, it

626
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: looks like they probably want to use Bass of the

627
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: Closer to see how it goes.

628
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a reset for people that may have missed this.

629
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: Brandon Kinseler is going to the Phillies on a minor

630
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: league deal. Really odd situation where, of course the Marlins

631
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: had control over Kinseler for twenty twenty one. They had

632
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: a club option in his contract that they could have

633
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: picked up for four million dollars. Instead, they took a

634
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: cheap buyout to send him into free agency. They reportedly

635
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: remained in touch with him, you know, for a lot

636
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: of this winter, but didn't really make an offer to

637
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: him until Monday night. That's according to Barry Jackson of

638
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: the Miami Herald, that their offered to Kinseler on Monday

639
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: was two million dollars guaranteed and presumably some incentives in

640
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: there as well. For this was a guy that, remember,

641
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: was due to make about four million dollars if they'd

642
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: picked up his option. That they made an offer to

643
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: him on Monday night a guaranteed deal, which is, you know,

644
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: it's at a time in the offseason where a lot

645
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: of players at this point are accepting minor league deals.

646
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: That's something it's unclear if any other team made him

647
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: a major league offer, but the Phillies ended up getting

648
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: him on a minor league deal that doesn't guarantee him

649
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: anything for the moment, but if he makes their opening

650
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: day roster, he gets three million in salary and then

651
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: another million in incentives if he actually winds up pitching

652
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: laden games for them and he stays healthy, so it

653
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Speaker 1: gives him a path to recouping all that money that

654
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: he was originally do in his contract he can max

655
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Speaker 1: out at four million dollars with the Phillies, and it's

656
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Speaker 1: just it's weird. It's weird that the Marlins would take

657
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Speaker 1: this approach where they could have simply matched the Phillies offer.

658
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Speaker 1: It sounds like Kinselerer, based on these reports and just

659
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Speaker 1: from following him last year, that if the Marlins had

660
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Speaker 1: simply made the same offer that the Phillies made, that

661
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Speaker 1: he probably would have come back to the Marlins. That

662
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: he had a nice thing going with the Marlins. He's

663
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: a guy that hasn't really had all that many closing

664
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Speaker 1: opportunities in his career, and he finally had that shortan

665
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season where he got to stick in the

666
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: closer's role that he wanted to come back, and for

667
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: whatever reason, they they were not comfortable exactly matching. I mean, ultimately,

668
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: the difference here is that the Phillies said, make the

669
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: team your salaries three million dollars. The marvel and said,

670
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: you're on our team, but your salary is two million dollars.

671
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: And I mean to let that one million dollars make

672
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: the difference between bringing back a guy that is comfortable

673
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: in your organization and that you're comfortable with, and to

674
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Speaker 1: have him go to a division rival is it's disappointing.

675
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: It seems like a missed opportunity. One thing I wanted

676
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: to tie together between our two subjects of this pot,

677
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: Adam Duval and Brandon Kinsler, that I noticed is that

678
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: Kinseler and Duval face each other three times last year,

679
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: and Duval he hit two home runs in those three

680
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: at bats, both of them like really backbreaking, game changing

681
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: home runs. And Kinseler, against everybody else that he faced

682
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: last year, pitched twenty four innings and only allowed one

683
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Speaker 1: home run. He allowed two of his three home runs

684
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Speaker 1: to Adam Duval, of all people. If we were to

685
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: take the latest report from Craig Mish literally, he seems

686
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: pretty doubtful about the fact that they're gonna go after

687
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: any other reliever of this caliber. That if they're going

688
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: to add anybody else between now and spring training, it's

689
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: probably gonna be someone on a minor league deal and

690
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: non roster invitee. I think even so, it's worth just

691
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: like throwing the names out there of everybody that's still

692
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: available in free agency, because this is usually a time

693
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: February tenth, that we're already grading the off season, but

694
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: they're simply so many players still on the market, and

695
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: I think Daniel mentions a couple of them, but just

696
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: going through the list, Trevor Rosenthal, who had an incredible

697
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season spilt between two teams, Justin Wilson, Tony

698
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: Watson who had a lot of closing experience with Pittsburgh

699
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: back in the day. Coming up later this week, David

700
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: Robertson is going to be holding a throwing session. He's

701
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: a guy that is a former teammate of Derek Cheeters

702
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: with the Yankees. He's coming back from Tommy John surgery.

703
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: But when he is right, he has incredible swing and

704
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: miss stuff. So I think that's a guy I might

705
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: be watching just in case that they bend their rules

706
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: for bend their budget for I mean, Brad Boksburger is

707
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: still out there too, I mean, and he had a

708
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: fairly decent season for the Marlins last year. Tyler Clifford

709
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: is someone that they've been linked to a little bit again,

710
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: another former Derek Jeter teammate for a brief period of

711
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: time that if nothing else, he's a really durable pitcher

712
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: out there. And I mean another one is Mark Mullanson.

713
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: Mark Mullanson who's been surprisingly lights out with the Braves

714
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: as their closer the past couple of years. He's someone

715
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: that you would think gets a major league deal as well.

716
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Speaker 1: He has some similarities to Kinseler and that he doesn't

717
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: overpower you, but he's just been so consistent year after

718
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: year after year after year. And if the Marlins don't

719
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: sign them, I mean, most of these players are gonna

720
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Speaker 1: sign somewhere. So you're either improving yourself or you're daring

721
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: your opponent to continue getting better and continue improving their depth.

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Speaker 3: There's also one more guy I wanted to mention really

723
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 3: really quick who had just a really great season last year,

724
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Speaker 3: Merrow Petite. With the age he had at one point

725
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: six ERA twenty one innings pins, I think that's another

726
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: guy that the Marlins can look at, maybe as a

727
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: setup guy to Anthony Bass or potentially maybe a spot

728
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: closer sharing the role. That's really that's the guy I

729
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 3: think that Marlins should really target, just Merrit Petite as well,

730
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: maybe the other guy maybe like a Shane Green or

731
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Speaker 3: a Marko Lanson or Colin mccool's coming out of opting

732
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: out last season with the Red Sox, but those are

733
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Speaker 3: some of them, guys. I would focus on all of

734
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Speaker 3: the Marlins, maybe starting with Petite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, former Marlin used Meryl Patit fifteen years ago or

736
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: so when nobody knew who he was. But yeah, he's

737
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: built himself quite a career since then. One other thing

738
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into before we go on the

739
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: show was this weird story that popped up on Twitter

740
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, from of all people, David Samson, the former

741
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: Marlins president, drew people's attention to this go fund me

742
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: fundraiser that had been set up a few days ago,

743
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: set up by the by an employee within the Miami

744
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: Marlins who was raising money for these other employees that

745
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: had been furloughed from the Marlins last year. And I

746
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: mean the weird part about it is that the people

747
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: it was an internal fundraiser that for some reason they

748
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: posted online to the public and that's what kind of

749
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: made this such a weird look and had the Marlins

750
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: like leap out and do some damage control. There's an

751
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: article on fits Stripes that goes into a little bit

752
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: more detail about it. All I wanted to do is

753
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: just shout out some people that made donations because of

754
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: people within the Marlins organization that were like out of

755
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: their own pocket paying their coworkers because they had been

756
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: furloughed by the organization themselves. And these people aren't looking

757
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: for credit. That's why I didn't put all their names

758
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: on the article, and that's why I don't want to

759
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: like stick on the subject too long. But on the

760
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: Major League coaching staff, Don Mattingley, James Rousin, Keith Johnson,

761
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Speaker 1: In Wellington Sapaida, all of them made donations, some of

762
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Speaker 1: those donations as much as one thousand dollars to this

763
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Speaker 1: like Sudden Fundraiser and others within the organization. Based on

764
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Speaker 1: what I was able to find, Al Patrique, Adrian Lorenzo,

765
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Speaker 1: Ivan Artiega, Joey Neiro, Hector Crispo, Phil Plantier, Joseph Carro,

766
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Speaker 1: Luis Drante, Neil Gaihart, Jason Erickson, and Patrick Osborne. If

767
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: you're a real diehard Marlins fan, then you know a

768
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: lot of these names, and even if you don't, it's

769
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Speaker 1: probably better to keep it that way, just because they're

770
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Speaker 1: not looking for credit from all this. But I think

771
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Speaker 1: that's about fourteen fifteen names that like raised collectively almost

772
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Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars to like pay these furloaed workers within

773
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Speaker 1: the organization. So according to Craig Mish, those donations are

774
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Speaker 1: all going to be returned to those individuals and that

775
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Speaker 1: the Marlins organization themselves are going to do something to,

776
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: you know, make things right this situation. Just wanted to

777
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: address that for people that were a little confused by it.

778
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: I guess that just leads us to the final topic

779
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: about the financial state of the Marlins, because that's what

780
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: caught some people off guard with signing Duvall is that

781
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: we've reached this late stage of the offseason that people

782
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: were worried if the Marlins had any money to spend whatsoever.

783
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: And then of course that ties together with the Kinsler

784
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: situation as well, that they let essentially one million dollars

785
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: get in the way of them bringing back their really

786
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: popular closer. So, I mean, as things currently stands, they're

787
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: projected payroll by my best estimates, if you fill out

788
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: the entire actual active roster with young players, it's going

789
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: to be about fifty nine fifty eight and a half

790
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: million dollars for the team, one of the lowest figures

791
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: in the league. It's probably fifteen million dollars lower than

792
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: what their payroll was going to be heading into twenty

793
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: twenty spring training. How much longer do you think fans

794
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: are gonna put up with this before they expect more

795
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: of the organization.

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00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think this ownership group was ever going

797
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: to be big spenders. But I think that people are

798
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: discounting just how much the pandemic affected them. I mean,

799
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Speaker 2: I don't think that they were going to be this

800
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Speaker 2: cheap by year four without a pandemic. I don't think

801
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: it would have been over one hundred million. I think

802
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: that I think that they spent so much money just

803
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: on buying the team that of course they weren't going

804
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: to have the money to be big spenders where the

805
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: Yankees and Dodgers and Astros are. But yeah, unfortunately, I

806
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: know people don't like to make excuses, but yeah, the

807
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen pandemic. It affected everyone, and it affected the

808
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: Marlins probably more out of anyone, because their margin of

809
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: error is already so small when it comes to how

810
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: much money you could afford to lose.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as things currently stands. I mean, one of the

812
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: storylines we've been following now ever since the ownership changed

813
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: is the local television deal or it's getting ridiculous at

814
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: this point that we're barely two weeks away from the

815
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: first spring training games and they do not have a

816
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: deal in place with Fox Sports Florida. I mean, the

817
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: previous one after fifteen years finally expired. There was all

818
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: this excitement within the Marlins organization that they would be

819
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: able to double or triple the average revenue that they

820
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: get each year from that under a new deal with

821
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: that regional sports network. And yet there seemingly been some progress,

822
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: but they don't even sound like especially close to figuring

823
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: anything out with that situation, that that uncertainty hangs over

824
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: everything as well. From the day they took over, from

825
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: the initial pitches that they were making two minority owners,

826
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: they were saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. The reason why the

827
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: Marlins have had so much trouble in the past is

828
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: they have a crappy TV deal and that's all gonna

829
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: change with us. That we're going to renegotiate and we're

830
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: gonna get instead of eighteen million dollars a year, that

831
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: we're going to get fifty five, and that everything is

832
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: going to be trending up, and that this is going

833
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: to give us the capital to add directly to the

834
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Speaker 1: major league payroll, and I mean without that critical piece,

835
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: then nothing really makes sense. But we're actually going to

836
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: have an article coming up on fish Drives I think

837
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: tomorrow exploring the alternatives if they don't get a TV

838
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: deal hammered out, and it's it's crazy that we even

839
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: have to think about that possibility of not having TV

840
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: coverage of a major league baseball team. Any final words

841
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: topics that we want to get into on this before

842
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: we just let things play out and turn things over.

843
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: I think we focused on all the main stuff.

844
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Speaker 3: I have one, maybe not to get too much out

845
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: of place, but any chance we see yeah Seal Puig.

846
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 4: Maybe at all?

847
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: Uh that just on my any favorite do you even

848
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: see him even signing anywhere?

849
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 4: Or I just had to throw that out.

850
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: Why not anything with yes O Pleague.

851
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: Well, now at this point Duval clearly closes the door

852
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: on that is it's an interesting situation with him. I mean,

853
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: he changed the agents months ago, and the Marlins were

854
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: linked to him at one point, but that report was

855
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: since kind of walked back that that interest wasn't that real,

856
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: that the interest wasn't genuine in that case. I mean

857
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: the Marlins did have real interest in him last winter.

858
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I will, I'll put myself in that frame

859
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: of mind that it looked like it'd be a great

860
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: fit at that point heading into twenty twenty. But after

861
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: missing a year and now with this like overload of

862
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: outfielders they already have that it's not going to happen

863
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: in Miami. I don't know where it's going to happen though,

864
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: because yeah, things are coming down to the wire pretty

865
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: quickly with him and obviously a talented player and still

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, and then he's actually gonna have to perform

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