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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukelem and this is a production

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Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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Speaker 1: I think fly fishing is really pretty to watch. Fly

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Speaker 1: fishing is captivating. You guys are missing out. It is

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Speaker 1: really pretty, Like I feel like you're it's beautiful because

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I've heard you say.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm really drawn to is people have

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Speaker 1: a passion for something. I have an idea entity and

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Speaker 1: I talk about fly fishing all the time on this show,

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Speaker 1: and you just blow over it like it's not even

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Speaker 1: a wrong passion. You're attracted to people have passion. It's

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Speaker 1: really cute when people like fly fishing. I think it's

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Speaker 1: really cute. Whatever. That's why people say they can't do it.

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Speaker 1: Josh no, no, no, Josh no. I I respect you're

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Speaker 1: passionate for fly fishing. Absolutely. Does that mean that I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about it all the time. I want

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Speaker 1: to hear you talking about it. Let you talk about

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Speaker 1: fly fishing as much as you want in my car

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Speaker 1: driving on. What would you say about fly fishing? Would

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Speaker 1: just say you had the floor? Yes, what would you say?

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Speaker 1: I would talk about? First of all, the places that

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Speaker 1: fly fishing takes you is one of the things that

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Speaker 1: I like about it. I like that the beautiful locations,

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Speaker 1: I love about fly fishing is, especially trout fishing, is

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Speaker 1: being in cold water when it's a hundred degrees and

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Speaker 1: you're standing and forty eight degree water. It's like you're

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Speaker 1: tasting the extremes at one time. It's amazing. It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: And then watching i mean ideally a nice dry fly

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Speaker 1: cast where it lands out there so delicately, and then

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Speaker 1: seeing a monster brown trout just go up there and

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Speaker 1: slurp that thing in there, and you react and set

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Speaker 1: the hook and that fish just goes crazy. But you're

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Speaker 1: usually fishing fighting that fish on a very fine tackle,

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Speaker 1: so you know, the fights on for at least ten minutes.

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Speaker 1: Really can be with a big one. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a it's a compelling. Yeah, how much more

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Speaker 1: time you can have the whole podcast. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: base podcast, Welcome to the Beargrease Podcast. You just heard

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Speaker 1: the poetic voice of Josh Lambridge, filmmaker. Never been accused

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Speaker 1: of that. Good have you? Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Brent Reeves always looking sharp? These are good? Oh he

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Speaker 1: cut his paint. He cut not with that new media

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Speaker 1: to not Oh did you really? Yeah? I think is

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Speaker 1: it is sharp right there? Just barely tested, just like

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Speaker 1: a like a like a draft life floating across the

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Speaker 1: White River. If it would hit it any harder, it

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Speaker 1: would Okay, my lad, But thanks sharp, I'll be darn

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Speaker 1: to your left. Isaac Neilucer, assistant producer of I, commented

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Speaker 1: on Isaac's the tire when he walked down. I was

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Speaker 1: really proud of him. It really looks like a redneck

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Speaker 1: I just got. I got so ashamed and embarrassed of

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Speaker 1: no the tattoos I had to cover on. I scheduled

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Speaker 1: of cowboy boots. Yeah. And how would you describe your shirt?

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Speaker 1: Camo hat um? This is like a it's vague, it's

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Speaker 1: Isaac's got hair down to his navel. To Isaac's left,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to exaggerate. To Isaac's left, my lovely wife,

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Speaker 1: so much, Clay, it's so great to be It's really

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Speaker 1: deb Summers saved your life? Oh? Wow? Yeah? I mean,

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Speaker 1: Josh and saved my life once. I don't even remember

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Speaker 1: what happened, but we were the Spillmaker, Josh and Christie

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Speaker 1: is connected to character. It's connected to longevity, it's connected

425
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: to connection to the land, it's connection to connected to grit.

426
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: It's connect it too. Humility. You don't you don't come

427
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: banging on the lodge caster and kill it. Asking to

428
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of fame. These men didn't ask

429
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: would be distasteful. So I have to embody the values

430
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast. I feel like Orally Province,

431
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean, just the guy. He's there are in public

432
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 1: commentary in support and it would anybody like to make

433
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: a speech in support of this? Yeah, I think he

434
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: embodies everything that a lot of people aspire to be.

435
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: He did something great and if you'd never know unless

436
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: you ask him, Yeah, and then then it was probably

437
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: like pulling teeth, you know. It wasn't like he went

438
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: into some big, long, elaborate story about how he killed

439
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: that dear. He's just slipping along the bluff and looking

440
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: down there and there he would's right. Yeah, that's a

441
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: second second from Brent reads. All right, all in favor,

442
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: say all opposed saying nay, what just happened? Just kidding

443
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: you never recant that. Okay, Ori Lee Province is now

444
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: inducted into the Burgers Hall of Fame. So now there's

445
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: seven inductors here, So we'll just start from there. Okay, Yeah,

446
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: we'll we'll get it written down so to dive in.

447
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: There's no room in here. Yeah, we're running low in

448
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: wall space. Yeah, yeah, we're running low. We'll find a place,

449
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: We'll find a place. Well, I think that to start

450
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: off our conversation about this podcast called the Unusual White

451
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: Tail Streak of ore Lye Province, we need to we

452
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: need to sing our song. So were lucky for you guys,

453
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: we have an original ballad written about Orally Province that

454
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: I'd like to sing. I'd like to ask Josh and

455
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: Misty to accompany me on it. So I wrote this

456
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: song just this week. I just felt inspired to write

457
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: a song about or Province because I like the guy

458
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: so much. So this is what I came up with.

459
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: Mr Nucome on the banjo, Josh on the guitar, Brent

460
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: Reeves on the lodge caster, and skillet with a fair

461
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: poem on the eve of the Great Depression in June

462
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: of ninet, I on the mountain. He was born shucking corn.

463
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: Issues were a warning. His mama, Morn, became a man

464
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: at age sixteen when is daddy died, the family cried

465
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: and his brothers went to war or Province. Wasn't ozon

466
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: man fright to meet? In the cast iron pan Love

467
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: the Finland Bill Monroe Skidding Logs of Timberfall, the thunder

468
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: roll in n got a good horse, no relorse, cutting

469
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: cross ties thirty five cents apiece will starve a man

470
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: callous's hands. But he loved the land, working in the timber.

471
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: He longed for the cold days of November. Back to

472
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: the chorus, everybody or province was an ooz ark man, right,

473
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: damn met and the castine fan. That's right, love the

474
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: fiddle and Bill Monroe skidding Lord Timberfall, the thunder Road

475
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty five, the north wind blue, the storm

476
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: clouds grew in the beast hunger again the bluffs, that's right,

477
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: or he came a slipping when the shan rang out

478
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: a great buck went to tripping, he went and got huge.

479
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: They found twenty eight points that would hang a wed

480
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: and ring. That's a good that's a good line. But

481
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be the last. When not two weeks had passed,

482
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: his muzzle sang another blast. Back to the course. Everybody

483
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: or it brozz wasn't thosehark man come onlazac right damn

484
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: and the cast iron fan, love the fiddlin Bill Monroe

485
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: skin Logs of Timberfall, the thunder Road, Laugh first, some

486
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: would say it's luck, but I would say, well, shucks,

487
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: he's a bloff hunting man. He saw a drop time,

488
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: but shot nine times, blurred the lines, and the big

489
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: buck fail. He carried eighteen points a ger and fed

490
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: limestone bread and and ozark legend was far all right,

491
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, hey, just for the world to know.

492
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: I recognize that I'm not a great singer. So but

493
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: I I just the passion is just too strong to

494
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: keep it all in a joyful note. Just I just

495
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: gotta let her go. So yeah, the Ballad of an

496
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: ozark Man, there's some good lyrics, and it tells the story,

497
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: tells the story. It should tell the story. What promise

498
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: was an ozark Man. They're meeting the cast iron pan

499
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: a good songs should play a little movie and you

500
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: hit when you're listening to it. That ship my favorite

501
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: versus uh. He went and got Eugene and they found

502
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: twenty eight points that would hang a wedding ring. Because

503
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: the deer actually only officially scored twenty six points score

504
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: able points, but by wedding ring on it, it'll score

505
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: it will score twenty eight. Because that's what or Province

506
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: always said. He called a twenty eight point buck. Now

507
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: the difference is Boon and Crockett recognizes anything over one

508
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: inch one inch. Well, but listen to this. This is

509
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: where it gets it gets real and gets gets there quick.

510
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: Is that I and this is getting serious quick to

511
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: the dream that I had in two thousand and seven

512
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: and the pictures right over on that wall. I'll put

513
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: the picture on Instagram. I had a dream that I

514
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: killed a twenty four point buck with a bow, and

515
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: that year I killed a buck that by Boone and

516
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: Crockett standards had twenty one points, but by hanging a

517
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: ring it has twenty four points. And that you just

518
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: have to deal with that. If you don't believe it,

519
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: do you feel like God is not um Boone and

520
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: Crockett certified? Is that what you're saying that? That's not

521
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I've just said these are the facts.

522
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: These are the facts. What did y'all think of the

523
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: Orally Province story about Well? I think that I love

524
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: this story because I remember when it happened. You took

525
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: ship with you on that on that trip, and I

526
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: think from I mean probably the reason I loved it

527
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: is a little different than the reason all the hunters are,

528
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: but it's it's like a personal connection to the story

529
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: and what that that produced. How old was Sheep when

530
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: you took him, it was he was was the only eleven.

531
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean I know almost the exact day. It was,

532
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: March of nineteen. He looks so little in that picture. Yeah,

533
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: a lot happens went from eleven. Yeah, yeah, well, he um,

534
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: he's he's. I remember that year at school they were

535
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: learning about World War two and they said something about

536
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: about when it ended, and Sheep right new new immediately

537
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: he was like forty five, I think, and he and

538
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: he was like I know it, and he argued with

539
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: someone about when it ended. But he knew the story

540
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: because of sitting in that room. He was just sitting

541
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: through And to me, I just thought, this is a

542
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: great way, like what a wonderful tradition to hear oral history,

543
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: and that it made, you know, it really demonstrated the

544
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: value of oral history and of having young people make

545
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: connections with older people and hear their stories because it

546
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: helps them piece together the world. Because, like you said

547
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: at the end, time is moves faster than you realize,

548
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: and that Sheep will have you know that history in

549
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: his life and He'll be able to tell that history

550
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: to a generation, you know, Lord will in a generation

551
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: that is a lot has the same spread in terms

552
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: of on the other end than him. And that's how

553
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: we know our people, That's how we know our stories,

554
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: that's how we know our history. I just think it's

555
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: so valuable and that was such a special experience for

556
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: our family. Yeah, right right, yea, Misty, I totally, I

557
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: totally agree with you. There's something that I've always since

558
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: I was a little I was fortunate enough to know

559
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: all my great grandparents on my mother's side, and uh,

560
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: one of my great grandfathers emigrated from Europe and he

561
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: would tell me he was seventeen and nineteen fifteen, and

562
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: he would tell me stories of when he came to

563
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: the US through Ellis Island and I remember that came

564
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: through the Lambridge, and I remember how impacting those stories were,

565
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: and listening to Mr Ory, it had that same flavor

566
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: and it's like you latch onto those things and and

567
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: you know the simplicity with which he lived his life.

568
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: And you know, I was thinking about um as he

569
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: was talking. In my mind the phrase simplicity is stability,

570
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, to think about they had nothing. But they

571
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: were stable, you know, and there's there's a stability that

572
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: comes with a simple life that Mr Orry was able

573
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: to communicate and uh yeah, just a beautiful it's a

574
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: beautiful thing to listen to, that oral history. My grandfather

575
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen thirty, you know, my mom's side.

576
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: He told me the difference in the depression was that

577
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: they didn't know they was in one until the everybody

578
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: she outed, hooray, we're out of it, and they're like, well,

579
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: this is like last Wednesday. So they were eating what

580
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: they grew, what they hunted, you know, what they raised

581
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: and everything, and it just wouldn't know the bank was,

582
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: you know, in the kitchen cabinet where they if they

583
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: got money for selling something hids or furs or or

584
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: vegetables or whatever, you know, they put it them in

585
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: a can and a coffee can and in the cabinet.

586
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: Other than that, you know, they didn't know what was

587
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: going on. And it's very similar to what I loved

588
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: when he said we had plenty of eat. Yeah everybody did.

589
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: That may have been you know in my grandfather's case,

590
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: and you know, they were catching postums and rendering them out,

591
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, feeding them out and then eating them. But

592
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: it was also whatever. But he he said, oh, we

593
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: had plenty of eat. Yeah, like that was silly. Yeah, yeah,

594
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: it was like, that's a dumb question. It was a

595
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: non event, Dad, What do you think about it? Well?

596
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: He reminded me of Roy. Was it Roy Clark from Tennessee? Yeah,

597
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, I kept taking both of their lives and

598
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: kind of like going, they're so similar, you know, uh,

599
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: and the way they talk. I mean, I just I

600
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: just love that dialect. It's just it's just beautiful to

601
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: listen to. Of course he had a simple life, but

602
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: to kill what he killed, you know, basically a week

603
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: or two. You know, it's just it's just pretty phenomenal.

604
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: And so it I spent my whole time thinking about luck.

605
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: What is luck? I mean, you know, so I kind

606
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: of focused on what did you think the underlying behind it? Um,

607
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: what do I think about? Yeah, take us into your

608
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: thoughts on that. Well, I don't think it's luck, man.

609
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've got a friend that just

610
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: I called him before I got up here. I got

611
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: a friend. It's hit thirteen holding once on the course

612
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: thirteen Jimmy Sears. You know, Jimmy and I called Jimmy.

613
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: I said, Jimmy, it was it nine third time many?

614
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: He said thirteen? And I said did you did you

615
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: have any streaks where you did two or three in

616
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: a row. He said, no, I never did more than

617
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: one in a year. Of course, he's my age were

618
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: the same mage, so he've been playing golf a lot

619
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: of years. And so I said, well, you played two

620
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: hundred twenty times a year. There's usually in an average

621
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: of four part three's on an eighteen whole course. I

622
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: first said, Jimmy, you had six hundred shots a year

623
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: at a hole in one and three? Yeah? And he

624
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: said you're you're saying only a part three Yeah. I

625
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: mean you're not gonna get up holding one on a

626
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: part four part five. He said, no, there's like four.

627
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: He said, I had about four hundred, eight hundred shots

628
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: a year to make those. And his good buddy, who's

629
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: also a good buddy of mine, is not that good

630
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: of a golfer. And he said, he said one or

631
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: two just blind luck. You know, he's not a good golfer,

632
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: and he's still because he played a lot. But Jimmy

633
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: placed two hundred and twenty times a year. So I mean,

634
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: if he wasn't good, he probably would have had three

635
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: or four holding ones. But he's really really he's one

636
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: of the top senior golfers in state Arkansas in my opinion.

637
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: So related to just so so oory, he's he's in

638
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: the woods a lot. He's he's good with his gun.

639
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: Holy cow, shooting a running buff you gotta be kidding.

640
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: Nine times. He must have had an a R fifteen

641
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: shooting had nine rounds. I don't know how he loaded.

642
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: That's just what he told me. You know, I would

643
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: have never probably shot at the deer. I would have gone, Wow,

644
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: what a buck? You know what I mean? So he

645
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: had to where with alda I mean back in the day,

646
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: you had to shoot it because you couldn't take a

647
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: picture of it with yours. So where Jimmy is really

648
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: good with a club and a ball, you know, or

649
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: he's good with a gun. He knows how to hont

650
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: he's in the woods a lot. He's doing all this stuff.

651
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: He created his own. Look now, once that that opportunity,

652
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: that's the key thing is opportunity. He had. He saw

653
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity, he took advantage of the opportunity, and he

654
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: was skilled and ready. I mean, he I would never

655
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: have hit the deer. I would have been in a panic.

656
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have even had time to I mean, you

657
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. There's an old saying in golf,

658
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: and it's I've seen it attributed to the fifteen different people.

659
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: But the more you practice, the luck you're you'll get. Yeah, yeah,

660
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: I know you've heard that, which means the more you

661
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: do something, I mean, it's a better chance. So you

662
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: know what, I what I came up with, and I

663
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: a lot of this. I don't know, it's not original thinking, probably,

664
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: but you know, luck is it's kind of like the

665
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: definition you I heard you say, the definition of love.

666
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: It's it's almost like a little story I read where

667
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: a guy said he was in New York City and

668
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: sixty years old. He had a business he wanted to

669
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: sell it, and he heard a guy say, Mr Buffett.

670
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: And this guy goes ching ching Buffett, New York City,

671
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: and he said, I walked over and I said, are

672
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: you Warren Buffett? And the guy said yeah, he said,

673
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: I got a business I'm trying to sell. I think

674
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: I think you'd like to hear the deal. Eventually he

675
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: sells he sells the guy Warren Buffett this business. I mean,

676
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: so that that was luck he heard he heard the

677
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: name just skill involved in then he had he had

678
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: the wherewithal to say, here's an opportunity, I'll never have

679
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: it again. And he took advantage of it and in

680
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: the capacity to pitch something, and he had a product.

681
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: You know, it was really really good, you know. So, uh,

682
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: there was a little luck that that deer came by me,

683
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: no question. But still he was there, he was equipped,

684
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: he was ready, he took advantage of it. I'm gonna

685
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play Devil's advocate. I'm gonna completely disagree with

686
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: Kerry because I think that could be said if our

687
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: province had killed those deer when he was sixty. But

688
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: according to when he said he was born, he was

689
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: twenty eight years old, thirty eight years old. How many

690
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: years have you hunted? Well, you know, I mean you're

691
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: in the woods, you're in the woods a lot, right,

692
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: deer have you killed? And I mean you're hunting the

693
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: same territory, and our deer numbers are greater than what

694
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: they were back then, So there had to be something

695
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: because I mean, they're skilled hunters that we know who

696
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: hunt hard, who won't ever even see it, dear that big.

697
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: That was the only part of it that if you were,

698
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: if you were making a case to a to an

699
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 1: unbiased jury not from this planet, that didn't understand luck

700
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: or anything, as you would say, this man was very prepared,

701
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: He was very diligent, he was very skilled. He put

702
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: in his time. But the size of these deer was wild,

703
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: especially when you understand age structures of white tails. Because

704
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: let's just say those were six and a half year

705
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: old deer, five and a half year old deer, which

706
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: is an old deer. The chance of that could have

707
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: translated into just like a nice eight point I mean,

708
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: I think one of the oldest dear ever killed is

709
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: about a hundred and fift eight point over there, with

710
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: a big, old heavy basses, and he was just a

711
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: brute and just an old I felt like he was

712
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: an old deer, but he just had like a little

713
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: little scrubby seat of horns. And the fact that twice

714
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: he killed an older age class deer that carried that

715
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. What that's what was wild. Now if

716
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: he had had just because I tried to make this

717
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: analogy inside the podcast, was that that year, he may

718
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: killed two five and a half year old deer that

719
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: were hundred and thirty five in eight points, which would

720
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: have been more common. Gary. I grew with what Josh

721
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: is saying, except for one thing. Or he was looking

722
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: for a deer. You know, the guy that sold his

723
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: business to warn Buffett just heard the name Buffett. I mean,

724
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, if he had just been walking around with

725
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: his gun just looking and go, oh, there's a big deer.

726
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: You know, he was looking for deer. So I more

727
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: agree with you than some of the stuff I'm saying. So,

728
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: in fact, was he was looking for that name was Jimmy.

729
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: I think the question are you Jimmy? I think the

730
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: question isn't was it luck? I think the greater question

731
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: is what is luck? You know what I mean? Because

732
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: there was there was some kind of favor there the question.

733
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 1: I used the term luck. Isaac and I talked about

734
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: this before I used it. I don't really I might

735
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: use the term luck just so people understand what I'm

736
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: talking about. I really don't believe in luck. I mean

737
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: I I use that term because we all can identify.

738
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: When I say luck, You're like, oh, I know what

739
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about. But that was my The whole point

740
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: of my thing is is what is luck? And and

741
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: is there because and I try to make it clear,

742
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: is that there's actually there's when you root it down

743
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: to the very foundational position, there's two there's a split

744
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: in the road when you start to define luck and

745
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: its origin. And one is this naturalistic approach that it's

746
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: just chance, and then the other would be a supernatural

747
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: why in the road of there's something outside of this place,

748
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: orchestrating things to happen to people that are beyond their

749
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: control for a specific reason. I mean, that is my

750
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: definition providence. That's the difference between providence and luck. Really, okay,

751
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: do you have the definition of providence? I wouldn't even

752
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: really have caught that. I take Isaac so much more

753
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: serious with this outfit on Jim Shorts and the protective

754
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: care of a god or of nature as a spiritual power,

755
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: God or nature as providing protective or spiritual care, timely

756
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: preparation for future eventualities. Okay, providence Yeah, so okay, So

757
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: really that's what I was. That's what we were talking about.

758
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: It was luck or providence, yeah, not province. And so

759
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: that's that's why the title works Providence. Now he wishes

760
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: he would have gone with it, and well, I didn't.

761
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Text n always has like really deep, catchy titles for

762
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: stuff that I don't get for like a minute or two,

763
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: and then after the deadline, Well it's after I immediately

764
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: respond back, I don't get it, and then I realized

765
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: it's really good. There's there's two styles. It's either that

766
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: or just like empirically bad. And you go like, not that,

767
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: but that inspired the actual Yeah, I'm not I'm not

768
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: a median guy. I'm like one extreme or the other.

769
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: But I think you're talking you kind of actually got

770
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: three things. You don't just have luck and providence. You've

771
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: also got this real strong and Gary's bringing that in,

772
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: and several of your the guys who talked are bringing

773
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: that in. Also merit that this is just this there's

774
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: luck totally strikes me as a false dichotomy. Yeah, there's

775
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: there's three different things that you're really exampling. Here was

776
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: this Luck? Was this? I think we should go back

777
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: and just erase the podcast. Okay, we can make it

778
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: look like an accident. Where's episode sixty two? Our account

779
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: got hacked? Luck? Providence? Or was this is this a

780
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: result of hard work. Total just yeah, is this he

781
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: because of his hard work? He was there and then

782
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: and so it was married. And I think that that

783
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: is the narrative that fits best inside of the American psyche.

784
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: That's that's kind of more how we think about the world.

785
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: It's because of his hard work this happened. That's that's

786
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: our that's our you know, rugged individualistic value system is

787
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: that people get what they they read, what they saw,

788
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: and he did good things and he's reaping the benefit

789
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: of it. And so that's this like third thing over here,

790
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: And I think what you're what you're talking about with

791
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 1: like that that buck right there, the one, the biggest

792
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: one you ever killed, you know, that was that was

793
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: not merit. That was there was something way more to

794
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: it than that. And so you're seeing it through that lens.

795
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: And I think there's other cultures who would definitely not

796
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: ever think that, They would never put merit in there

797
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: as a piece of the this is why this happened.

798
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: They would always see it as providence. But I think

799
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: the above it's fundamentally both because if you had had

800
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: that dream, but you had never out of bow right,

801
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: like that's nothing right, you have had the dream if

802
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: he never shot a bow. Oh no, wed come it.

803
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: We got a real Schrodingers buck, put on my calvoy

804
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: boots and all of a sudden, I've got a million

805
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: dollar words. No, but seriously, like a great example is

806
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: like if ore Province was born twenty years earlier, like

807
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: what stuck at? What? Like neon words? When you were interviewing,

808
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: He's like, I walked miles a day. You guys, you

809
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: ever walked twenty or regularly? Like I, I can do that,

810
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: but it is brutal. And so it's like he fundamentally

811
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: put in some work, right, but if he was born

812
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: twenty years earlier, it wouldn't have mattered if you walked

813
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: twenty or twenty five miles a day because there were

814
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: no deer. Literally, it wouldn't have mattered to lick. And

815
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: so like I, I cannot separate the two. I think

816
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: that there's providence. Yeah, I I don't subscribe to the

817
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: idea of blind luck. Um, but I wouldn't. That's not

818
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: a mountain I die on. I think there's providence and

819
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: then I think there's merit. And I think that he

820
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: had both of those things going. And that's kind of

821
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: what I was saying when I said, sometimes people want

822
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: to just grab hold of one thing or the other

823
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: just like it's all chance. Yeah, it's all chance. There's

824
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: no there's nothing but chance in the universe. YEA or

825
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 1: or someone say the other side of it, which would

826
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: be like every miniscule thing that the Brent's chair just

827
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: squeaked because you know X, Y and C. Yeah. Yeah,

828
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: So so it's like there's there's like have every deer

829
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: that I've killed have I felt like it was like

830
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: life changing, monumental it was Brent's chair. No, did that,

831
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: dear change in my life? There's no one on this

832
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: earth that will ever convince me otherwise it really did.

833
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: And uh and so was that dear important? Was that

834
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: dear did something from another place? Yeah? I think we

835
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: need to talk about that, dear a little bit more.

836
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: I think we needed and I think we need to

837
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: talk about especially if you're gonna put the picture on Instagram.

838
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: There's some side text on the picture there that we

839
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: probably need to explain. And I will say, when you

840
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: brought that deer back, Ava, Josh's youngest daughter was here.

841
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Josh's and would they were tiny pictures, they

842
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: were big old fat cheek babies. And they both We've

843
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: got pictures of both of those two, Bear and Ava

844
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: standing over there in their pj's and and their little

845
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: fat cheeks are just sitting there smiling. I did not

846
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: have any idea represented all give us a story. Well,

847
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: he kind of told you. Well, I was just saying,

848
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think that that you know,

849
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of bringing that in, and I thought

850
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: the way you brought that in at the end was

851
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: sort of underwhelming. It was kind of a big, huge

852
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: deal that I thought. I mean, maybe it's because of

853
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: the impact it's had on us, but I thought it

854
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: was a little bit like I didn't do a good job. Well,

855
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I just didn't want them. I didn't

856
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: want to I didn't want to want to make it.

857
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: I didn't want to make but I wanted to throw

858
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: it out there like this, and you drew it out

859
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: and July, I think it says July two thousand and seven.

860
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: I'll look at it. And I saw the buck, and

861
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: I woke up and I drew pictures of it. In

862
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: the buck that I drew has really long curved brown times.

863
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: It's got a burr point and it's got kickers. And

864
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: if you look at that buck and look the buck

865
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: I killed, they look a lot alike. And I wrote,

866
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: I wrote a note on the sketch. I said, do

867
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: not throw away Misty. There is no comma, so he

868
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: is talking. I knew what would happen is I drew it.

869
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: And then I didn't really have a place to put

870
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: the sketch, or or at the time I didn't, and

871
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: so I just knew it was just gonna be like

872
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: laying around, like on my bedstand, would write down incredible

873
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: the important phone numbers are confirmation numbers and just set

874
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: them down and then be like, why did you throw

875
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: that away? And it's like it was literally on ash

876
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: And so anyway, I framed the sketch and then there's

877
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: a cut out. There's a picture of the deer in

878
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: this little frame. But and writing about that, it's one

879
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: of the things that jump started your It was the

880
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: only thing I never even I never even thought about

881
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: writing an article or going into the outdoor industry at all.

882
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I just killed a big deer and I was like, man,

883
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: it would be pretty cool to write a story about it.

884
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: Because because there was an angle that I had on

885
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: the story from a tactical sense, I actually really used

886
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean I hunted the deer fifteen mornings.

887
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: At the time, I could only hunt in the morning,

888
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: and so I hunted a hunted mornings the only time,

889
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: the only days I didn't hunt was I went down

890
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: to your deer camp, Dad, So I killed the deer

891
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: on October. I spent three mornings at your deer camp,

892
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: so fifth basically fifteen straight more and I hunted for

893
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: that deer and uh and killed him on the eighteenth.

894
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: This was before we had trail cameras and stuff, so

895
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: I had I had seen the deer with my own

896
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: eyes one time in the spot and ended up hunting there.

897
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: And I rattled him in on on a ball me

898
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: windy like seventy two degree morning on October eighteen. But

899
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: you had the dream win July two thousand seven, killed

900
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: in October two thousand seven. And the and the thing is,

901
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, like you can you can say,

902
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make the dichotomy here, but like

903
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: to illustrate the point that it's both is like a

904
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: few hundred fifteen straight mornings, you know what I mean,

905
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: Like you didn't go out October one and like plug

906
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: it and go. There was some work involved, dad, did

907
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: you uh, I know, I think I know the answer

908
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: to this. But did you ever see that deer or

909
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, I at the time my dad had

910
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: related to your dream. But all, oh, well, I videoed

911
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 1: the deer in late August, but you didn't see the dream.

912
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: I never knew the deer was alive until well months

913
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: handlers wouldn't have looked like that in July of two

914
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: thousand seven. Well, that you're right. And the next thing

915
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: is the first time I saw the deer was actually

916
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: the first time I saw that dere was like September

917
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: the eighth or nine of two thousand seven. So let's

918
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 1: get the timeline you have. I think it's helpful for listeners. July,

919
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: you have the you have the dream. August. I remember

920
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: waking up and it was a big rot morning and

921
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: I was going out to get hot. That's all I remember.

922
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: I was going to work, yeah, August. So that's not

923
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: helpful for the timeline. Just just what I see I

924
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: remember waking up. Just a little color commentary, and we

925
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: just need yes or no, sir, just fair details, just

926
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: for the listeners to have alright, so yeah, alright, so July,

927
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: I used to work with these two hands dream alright,

928
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: songs aug August. You see the deer. Does the deer

929
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: look like the deer you saw in the dream in August? Oh?

930
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: I never made the connection. Okay, you you kill the deer.

931
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: I never made the connection until like long after I

932
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: even killed the deer. Like it wasn't like I was

933
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: impressive in other ways. It wasn't. I don't think that's

934
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: a compliment. I mean I don't remember how long, but

935
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: but I mean it wasn't like I shot the deer

936
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, who's the deer in the dream?

937
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: Like it was some time after I was like, man,

938
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: I drew a picture. I mean it was that, you know,

939
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: like I almost didn't draw the picture. It wasn't like

940
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna kill a deer this year.

941
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: It was just like I had a dream, was really clear,

942
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: vivid impact, like it was significant when you woke up. Yeah, yeah,

943
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: I remember more about I remember more about the dream, dude,

944
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: because I remember you talking to me about it because

945
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: I was like what this and but don't throw away missy.

946
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: So it was sometime after that I realized that. But

947
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 1: I think that's your next song title, Don't throw away

948
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: Misty a good valid right there, ballad of the I

949
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: call that buck Dagger. Yeah, yeah, Hey, I got something

950
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: to say about what most Shepherd was saying about getting

951
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: loaded up and going over to see it. Like I'm

952
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: not here to say like technology is the downfall of

953
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: human civilization or whatever, but like it made me like

954
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: it immediately took me to the floating tote in Elderado Springs, Missouri,

955
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: where we'd go check in our dear and everybody go

956
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: post up there the floating tote. You pull in in

957
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: your truck and all of a sudden everybody would come

958
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: over start looking over the bed. You just couldn't if

959
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: you got anything halfway decent, you couldn't wait to get

960
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: down there and just just talk about it and see

961
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: what everybody had saying. Moe's dad would have just looked

962
00:56:55,080 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: on Facebook, yeah, hey, or's house yeah, or or or

963
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: would have texted them and say I killed a big deer, congrats.

964
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: There's just something magical about like being there in person,

965
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: like that community connection of like going over and seeing

966
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: it and feeling feeling proud about it. It's describing social

967
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: capital social capital, it's I mean, he's what he's talking

968
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: about is the networks that people form and how those

969
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: those create identity, they create resources. When you when economists

970
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: look at the world and they look at human capital,

971
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: they look at economic resources to evaluate nations, to evaluate communities.

972
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: But these other the social scientists came up with this

973
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: other term in the mid late nineties called social capital,

974
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: and it's how people are connected to each other. And

975
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: they I mean, it actually came up earlier than that,

976
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: but it got popularized in the mid nineties. But that

977
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: that those connections actually provide a resource to that community

978
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: that is as valuable as the economic connections. And you

979
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: they look at this in terms of marriage, they look

980
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: at this in terms of voting patterns, the way they

981
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: evaluate whether there's social capital in the community, and it's

982
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: it's been in pretty much steady decline since the Middle Park.

983
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fascinating that that nails it with what

984
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: Isaac sam Social capital is like having gold coins. Social

985
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: media is like he's a credit card. Social media is

986
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: like those chocolate gold coins. Okay, there's something they're a

987
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: little hit. I never saw ore province without a pair

988
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: of overalls on that didn't make it in the song.

989
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: I tried to find overalls that didn't happen. I felt it,

990
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: you felt his overall? Yeah, I felt like this man

991
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: was yeah for real, Like I don't know that he

992
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: was like brand, what kind of footwear did he wear? Tevas?

993
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: He was a Tiva man. He's more of a chacos.

994
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: I saw him just wear kind of like, uh, just

995
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: brown leather lace up boots. I couldn't tell you that. Yeah,

996
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you the brand. Here's here's another question

997
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: on that. On the front of social media, I feel like,

998
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: because today it's so prevalent, I had this like in

999
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: congruence in my mind of like only wanting to shoot

1000
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: big deer because I want to post them on social

1001
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: media so I can get validation in that way, right,

1002
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: And so like shooting big deer is tied to my

1003
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: self worth, and so like feeling weird and decided to

1004
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: grow your hair out, I'm looking for social validation or

1005
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: external validation in any way. But like this idea, Like

1006
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: when I listened to it, it didn't sound like there

1007
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: was some disappointment that he peaked early as a hunter

1008
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: or something like that. It's like the end goal was

1009
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: not like killing the biggest deer, but it was just

1010
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: going and killing dear and enjoying being in the woods

1011
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: and enjoying hunting. And like when I listened to that,

1012
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: I go, like, man, that's really cool to have like

1013
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: killed two arguably world class dear in the span of

1014
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: two weeks early on in your hunting career. Yeah, and

1015
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: and not to like care resentment or a grudge about Like, yeah,

1016
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: they didn't then they were they were meat hunting. They

1017
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: they wanted they liked killing big deer. But like he

1018
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: would have killed a basket irak eight point just as

1019
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: fast as he would have killed one of those other deer.

1020
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: And I think that would have been really common back

1021
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: in those that period of time. James Lawrence killed his

1022
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: biggest deer in the sixties, wasn't it. Yeah, the first

1023
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: deer every kid. So you know, you look at that

1024
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: um and there weren't as many hunters. Those big deer

1025
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 1: were out there because they weren't getting hunted as much.

1026
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: And you know Lawrence's family, they were hunting over here

1027
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: where the deer sign was, and and James was going

1028
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: where where the uneducated guy would go. He was doing

1029
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: stupid stuff. It kills this huge buck. And a lot

1030
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: of times you'll see stories where a little ind just

1031
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: to have your old kids killed a hundred nine point buck,

1032
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Buck. Well, the reason that happened is

1033
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: because his uncle's said, hey, look, kid, don't know what

1034
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: he's doing. Put him down there where old used for

1035
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: years and never saw a deer. Let's get the goods

1036
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: stands for us guys that know how to kill him. Well,

1037
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: they send him down there. Guess what, he kills the

1038
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: big buck because the big bucks don't run where I hunt.

1039
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: I guarantee you I know they don't. I don't want to.

1040
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to kill a big buck. You gotta sit.

1041
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: It's too hard. I mean, I want to sit where

1042
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of activities going on, well, like tying right

1043
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: into that, like they just and tying into luck. They

1044
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: just had what was the guy's name, Dustin Huff Mediator podcast,

1045
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: and they got down a rabbit hole of talking about

1046
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: how many people kill big deer the first time they

1047
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: sit somewhere. He killed the record for is it American

1048
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: United States? It's the United States biggest typical And it

1049
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: was the first time he sat in that stand, and

1050
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: it was just like, oh, that, I guess that makes sense.

1051
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: That educated buck is gonna get white. There's the second

1052
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: step to that that you never hear is that no

1053
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: one else is sitting that stand either in a long time,

1054
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: so that buck is there because if you don't hunt there,

1055
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna hunt a scraper rub over here. And that

1056
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: buck is smart and says, you know where the people go,

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01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm over here. Welly. I talked with the the the

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01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: white tailed deer biologists for the State of Arkansas to

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01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: get some of the data on that reintroduction of deer um,

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01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: and I spoke with him and he he he said

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01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: the same thing he said in the nineteen sixties, they

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01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: were they were actually more dear in the nineteen sixties

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01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: then probably I thought there would have been thirty deer

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01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: per square miles. Actually a decent amount of deer, and

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01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: in some places there were thirty deer per square mile,

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01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: maybe not that deep in the mountains where or he

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01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: was out because it's just rough, full canopy stuff. But

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01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: he said the same thing, he said, they're just weren't

1069
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there hunting, And so there

1070
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: were there were bucks that were getting old, and so yeah,

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01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: there's there's something to be said there. And I guarantee

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01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: you and I haven't looked at the weather and patterns

1073
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: during that time, but I have followed the mountain Man

1074
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: big buck contests for about twenty plus years, and on

1075
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: years like this year, I guarantee you probably guarantee you,

1076
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: probably guarantee you that the deer are gonna be of

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01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: less quality on a really dry, droughty year because the

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01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: nutrition of these animals coming into the to the to

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01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: the to the summer nutrition they have, but new antler

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01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,959
Speaker 1: growth is also connected to how they did last fall.

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01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things connect to antler growth, but

1082
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: connecting problems nutrition when the deer was in the womb. Yeah,

1083
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: it's connected to a lot of stuff, but it is seasonal.

1084
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: Like on a dry year, like there's usually a mountain Man,

1085
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: usually there's like one deer that might net Boone and Crockett.

1086
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: And that's a four county area northwest Arkansas. Maybe one

1087
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: two deer net boone and Crockett. Uh. The year that

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01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: I killed my big buck in two thousand seven, proud

1089
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: of you, there were thank you, there were two deer

1090
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: that netted boone and Crockett that hung on the wall

1091
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: because I took my buck to the Mountain Man Big

1092
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: Buck contest. Absolutely. Yeah, in nineteen sixty those deer weren't

1093
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: near as smart as they are now right now. You know,

1094
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: these deer just said, Okay, I'm gonna walk below this

1095
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 1: buff bluff. You know this is a cool way to walk. Well,

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: they're not gonna do that today. And if you go

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01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: to the same mountains, you know, if you go the

1098
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: same area, you're probably not gonna find that bigger buck

1099
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: in there that deer would have gotten if he were

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01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: living in the last teen years. He got killed when

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: he was too Yeah, you know, he got killed. He

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01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: about three or four years old. You know, there's a

1103
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: lot of people that hunt in that part of the

1104
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: world now for sure. Yeah, so luck you know, I

1105
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: still don't really understand the look part. But he was

1106
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: a little lucky. But well, and you know Most Shepherd

1107
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: who is today one of the best deer hunters I

1108
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: know for that part of the world, just big woods,

1109
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: deep public land hunting, and Most never killed a hundred

1110
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: and seventy deer. And he's killed a lot of deer

1111
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of old deer and that is just

1112
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: luck of the draw on like mo is hunting as

1113
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: big and old a deer as there are out there

1114
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: and killing them and they usually have about hundred thirty

1115
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, the odd one is going to be up

1116
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: in the one fifties. And that's just pretty standard. Um,

1117
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: and there are these outliers that do happen, and um yeah,

1118
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: that's pretty unique, pretty unique. But I think I think

1119
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: what I was getting at is that our understanding of

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01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: how the world works influences our decisions, you know. But

1121
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: I I do believe that we bank on street whatever

1122
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: you want to call it. I'm gonna call it luck,

1123
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: just because just we bank on unmerited favor coming to us.

1124
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean. And actually, the human I thought about this

1125
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: since the podcast. Let's erase this podcast and do it again, Isaac.

1126
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: The human human metabolism is built up on the potential

1127
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: for fortuitous streaks of luck. We literally, like are designed

1128
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: to gorge ourselves at times, and our bodies store fat

1129
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: for when the next day and the day after that

1130
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: and the day after that we can't find a fruit

1131
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: tree full of fruit, or we don't make a kill.

1132
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: And that's the reason that the majority of Americans are

1133
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: obese is because we get lucky every day when it

1134
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: comes to food. Luck. Do you see what I'm saying,

1135
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: Because sometimes it's like how do we how do we? Uh?

1136
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: We're just not designed to have a gourmet mill every

1137
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: single meal of every single day of our life. We're

1138
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: built to have some good fortune at times and some

1139
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: lean times at times, and it all kind of evens

1140
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: out in the end. Here's another interesting thing that I

1141
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: thought of while Tony Peterson was talking about is this

1142
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: idea of placebos, because he was talking about psyching yourself

1143
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: up doing some good point. A placebo has a measurable effect,

1144
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: which is crazy for everybody who doesn't know. A placebo

1145
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: is like a man, those cowboy's just changed. It's no, no, no, no,

1146
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: no no no, they changed your life. I've been the

1147
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: same guy the whole time, like tattoo guy knew before

1148
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: by the whole time, you just were casting aspersions on

1149
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: me because of my parents. A placebo is like a

1150
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how to define it. It's a control

1151
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: and so like it has a measurable effect. So you

1152
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: can be given a non medication and it makes you better,

1153
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 1: even a sugar instead and get better still and what's

1154
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 1: crazier than that is it is also a measurable effect

1155
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 1: if you know, it's a placebo, which is like mind boggling.

1156
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what the to what degree it is,

1157
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: but it's just like the human brain has, or the

1158
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: human body or the human spirit or whatever it is,

1159
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: has an amazing ability to impact real outcomes. That's good.

1160
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: That's good is one day didst this year? I did

1161
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: it this year. I posted on social media, felt cute,

1162
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: might kill a big deer? Later what did I do?

1163
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: Killed a big one? Thirty minutes later, I killed a

1164
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: gross one sixty one point. Do a story about yours

1165
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: one day they may induct me. Yeah, he's got a

1166
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: lot of years of proven character to I thought it

1167
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: was interesting, Like when I go like hunting, or if

1168
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 1: I go fishing, and I'd like, there's this sense of

1169
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: catching a big fish. I always try to think, well,

1170
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to catch a big fish, yes, or

1171
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill a deer today, and there's

1172
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: almost yeah, there's almost the sense of if I do,

1173
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: it's this bonus. Yeah, I'm gonna have a good time.

1174
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 1: I won't be disappointed. Yeah. Yeah, man, I never stepped

1175
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: to the plate. I don't think I ain't just needed

1176
01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: out of the part. Really really every time, I'm very

1177
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: much more just one crash of expectation. I'm always high

1178
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: expectations and high results. Yeah, I'm definitely in the Josh

1179
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 1: Spielmaker camp of mitigating expectations. You've heard of the Casey

1180
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: treeve says that my what is it call on your

1181
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: gravestone will be managed expectations. Excellent. Well, I really enjoyed

1182
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: this podcast, and for for people that would have been

1183
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: fallowing along on the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast, they would

1184
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: have heard the full interview. So actually it would be

1185
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: like a bonus episode if you wanted to hear it

1186
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: unedited full version. I talked to Mr Roy for an

1187
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: hour and a half, so on this podcast there's twenty

1188
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: one minutes, so there's actually a lot more, and it's, uh,

1189
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's totally unedited, so it's us like

1190
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: talking about the weather, us, you know, kind of doing stuff.

1191
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: But it was it was good. There was a lot

1192
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: on it. His wife came on and talked and told

1193
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: how she puts up corn and how she cooks deer meat,

1194
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: and she told about her grandchildren. You know, my favorite

1195
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: parts of these podcasts. My favorite part of that whole

1196
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: episode was the very begins, well close to the beginning,

1197
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: when you hear the screen door open and Mr Roy goes, Hi, Clara,

1198
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 1: how are you doing? And I talked to him, and

1199
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: then his wife comes in and she says, oh, excuse

1200
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: the house. I just was good to vacuum. Yeah, I

1201
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it. And then you a sandwich

1202
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: of floor. Yeah, well it just it just it just

1203
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, if you've been there, you

1204
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: just know those people and it, uh, it kind of

1205
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: tells the story. And uh yeah, they they he was

1206
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,759
Speaker 1: a relic of a man, and I continue to be amazing.

1207
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: Tried to make the point on the podcast that every

1208
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: general ation has a touch point with a much older

1209
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 1: generation that they think are like the real deal. Yeah,

1210
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: And when I look at our province and Lew and Nuka,

1211
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: my grandfather and uh and guys that aren't here anymore,

1212
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, they were the real old timers. Like

1213
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: when I look at Dad, like, Dad's not an old timer.

1214
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, to me, you're seventy five,

1215
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: and it's but it's because we're seventy four. Because we're

1216
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: pretty close in age, give them the year. But to

1217
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 1: my to my kids, they'll talk about their granddad and

1218
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: be like, godly, he was born in like seventeen seventy three,

1219
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 1: you know. But the my point is is that everybody.

1220
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: I actually talked to Brooks Blevins about this one time,

1221
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: the Ozark historian, academic guy, Dr. Brooks Blevins, and he said,

1222
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: every single generation has, for a period of time the

1223
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: oldest possible people that they could interact with. And those

1224
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 1: guys always have something very different in a very different

1225
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: life experience than you, and so they're really intriguing. But

1226
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: there was a time when Oriy Province was like on

1227
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: the pop culture cutting edge of time when he was

1228
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: eighteen years old and and the old timers to him,

1229
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: we're born in the eighteen thirties. That was my point.

1230
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: Inside of that, it's kind of mind boggling. And Daniel Boone,

1231
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone would have one time just been like the

1232
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,759
Speaker 1: dude driving down the road driving a you know, twenty

1233
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: nineteen Chevy Silverado four world drive with a couple of

1234
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: mules in the back. You know, he would just would

1235
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: have been like a normal guy, and he would have

1236
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: interacted with people. People was a stock trail with a

1237
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: stock trailer in the back, No trailer. That's where I'm headed.

1238
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: Um point being, you can't imagine Daniel Boone looking back

1239
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 1: in the history of going man, the old timers. But

1240
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: he is just like us, Just like us. Daniel Boone

1241
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: was like two people back, three people back. I mean,

1242
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: he's not that far. Lincoln is not that far back

1243
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: from us. Really, you know, you go back to Jesus

1244
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: Christ twenty people. I mean I figured it before. When

1245
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: you're a kid, we probably talked about it. You know,

1246
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: you just go back. I had an old buddy that

1247
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: was in his nineties and I'm thinking, okay, he's born here,

1248
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, if he knew somebody back, you know, and

1249
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: you just she start tumbling that back and I mean

1250
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 1: it's really Lincoln. They are about the same age. You know,

1251
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 1: you get a picture. Yeah, for real. The last the

1252
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: last widow of a Civil War veteran died in what

1253
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: what Yeah, she got married when she was young and

1254
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: he was older, and then she lived to a hundred

1255
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: and one. Wow. But then your pipe and smoke it.

1256
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: Isaac's one day gonna run bear grease like they know,

1257
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 1: because she was still drawing his pension, which was like

1258
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: seven dollars or something like that, Confederate dollars. Man, I

1259
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: hope not. I'm just crypto crypt I don't I don't

1260
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: buy it, Isaac. So what year did they get married?

1261
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: At age seventeen? Married ninety three year old widow or

1262
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: James Boland? She was she was digging for that money

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Speaker 1: she married him, not during this gold digger. That's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: We need to do in December six. Wow, Marshfield, Missouri?

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Speaker 1: Are you from by Springfield? That's unfortunate that there weren't

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Speaker 1: some conversations there. Look, wow, that was a great place.

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Speaker 1: Queen a Shield. Would you be interested in getting back

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Speaker 1: tattoo of the Burgharis Hall of Fame members? There's there's

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Speaker 1: a perpetual flash. I'll take it under consideration every time.

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Speaker 1: If you got the tattoos and I was like, man, Isaac,

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Speaker 1: your part, we might contract. Would you have to have

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Speaker 1: something removed to put it on there? No? No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I got plenty of realistic I think he should maybe legs,

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Speaker 1: you know they're full misty well, I mean he could

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Speaker 1: remove stuff the backs of the legs, you know, just

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Speaker 1: keep that. You could just keep one list. Yeah. One.

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Speaker 1: You could have it drawn like a scroll. Yeah awesome,

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Speaker 1: and I could be holding it like this, Yeah, full size, bigger, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I love There's so podcast is just hit home for me,

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Speaker 1: This one did. I liked it aside from all the

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Speaker 1: white Tail tactic stuff we talked about, which I I mean,

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Speaker 1: the main part that really hit home was Ori stuff,

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Speaker 1: but the having Mark Kenyon and Tony Peterson. Those guys

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Speaker 1: are good, man, they really are. Their colleagues minded mediaor

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Speaker 1: hunted with them, They're uh, they're really good. And I

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Speaker 1: did mention that this fall you'll get to see me

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Speaker 1: and Mark Kenyon hunting public land in Arkansas, big mountain

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Speaker 1: country on a back country mule type hunt, which is

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Speaker 1: pretty cool because that's kind of the way I mean,

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Speaker 1: as you know, same part of the world or he

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Speaker 1: was in and uh so yeah, you can check that out. Dad.

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Speaker 1: Closing thoughts just very interesting. Enjoyed it. I'm still looking

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Speaker 1: for some luck to come my way. Oh well, that's all.

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Speaker 1: Keep the wild places wild. M