Speaker 1: Novel.
Speaker 2: This show contains adult material and swearing. You have been warned.
Speaker 3: The worst part I haven't gone is learning how to
Speaker 3: spell goner to.
Speaker 2: Say, it's terrific, possible, it's horrific. You have to google
Speaker 2: it every time.
Speaker 1: That is right, gone, Girl.
Speaker 3: Around me, I'm a savage.
Speaker 2: Are you bored of modern dating? Meeting the same people
Speaker 2: from the same apps in the same bar You've only
Speaker 2: chosen because it's close to your house and you can
Speaker 2: make your usual quick getaway. It's time to change the
Speaker 2: narrative on how we find love. It's time to start
Speaker 2: looking for love in all the wrong places. I'm going
Speaker 2: on a wild dating adventure, only picking people who are
Speaker 2: the total opposite of my type. And after twenty eight
Speaker 2: of these dates in two months, will I find that
Speaker 2: special someone?
Speaker 4: Or well?
Speaker 2: This experiment proved that I should just give up on
Speaker 2: dating altogether. It's time to find out. I'm Grace Campbell
Speaker 2: and this is twenty eight dates later. Hello, Dan, Hi,
Speaker 2: it's the final Ar's the final day.
Speaker 1: It's a final day.
Speaker 2: I did my final day.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm excited.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 3: Are you feeling nourished? Are you feeling sexy? Are you
Speaker 3: feeling alive.
Speaker 2: I am, I'm feeling alive. Hey, Sason killing me, but
Speaker 2: I'm feeling I'm pumped. I'm pumped.
Speaker 1: Baby killing me?
Speaker 4: Do?
Speaker 3: I find out recently that apparently it's because all the
Speaker 3: trees that we have in this country are like male trees.
Speaker 3: So I didn't want to plant female trees because they
Speaker 3: bear fruit and that's free fruit, but also like rotten fruit.
Speaker 1: So this means it's just got like heavy.
Speaker 3: It was just like loads of spunk, like mother has
Speaker 3: boukaqui and as constantly and it's.
Speaker 1: Like it's in my eye. I know it is in
Speaker 1: my eye and in my nose, in my mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is male trees. But also the craziest story
Speaker 2: just really quickly that I have to tell you, So,
Speaker 2: there is a male crow in my area that's attacking women.
Speaker 2: So it's been going around like on the WhatsApp groups
Speaker 2: like for my area, like there's this crow attacking women
Speaker 2: with long hair. So I was like, cool, I'll be fine,
Speaker 2: I haven't got long hair. And then last week I
Speaker 2: was walking along the street like looking real nice, like
Speaker 2: I had like cowboy boots on, like really nice trousers,
Speaker 2: walking along and then this crow just like attacks my head. No,
Speaker 2: and then I started screaming. It didn't like bite me,
Speaker 2: It just like banged on my head flew away, right,
Speaker 2: So I was like screaming and there was who traffic
Speaker 2: down for people watching me, and everyone was watching and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, did you see that
Speaker 2: to all the people in the cars. And then this
Speaker 2: guy goes He's coming back for you, and so I
Speaker 2: ran away from it, tripped, fell into the road in
Speaker 2: front of the traffic, and then the crow was just
Speaker 2: attacking my head. How in same is that that is?
Speaker 2: Actually it's the male trees and the male crows are
Speaker 2: just trying to fuck us up.
Speaker 1: Damn it.
Speaker 3: I owe that chrome money now A final day.
Speaker 2: Final day. Okay. So this guy, so he is a songwriter.
Speaker 1: A musician. He's in music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love music as well, like actually, like
Speaker 2: I love music popular opinion. But I'm like obsessed with music,
Speaker 2: Like I listened to music all the time. It's so random. No,
Speaker 2: I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm a crazy girl.
Speaker 2: Crazy girl. So I've previously dated a lot of musicians
Speaker 2: and it's clearly not gone well for me because I'm
Speaker 2: here making this podcast. So I thought musician days were
Speaker 2: in the past for me. But have you looked at
Speaker 2: this guy's very Let's just talk about how fucking peng.
Speaker 1: He's so fit.
Speaker 2: He's so peng.
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ is the body, his body is given believable.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's like a Greek statue.
Speaker 3: It's made me feel like I'm cosplaying Roll Dahl writing
Speaker 3: a book and a share.
Speaker 2: No. I showed my like male friends him the other
Speaker 2: day and they were like, he is an honest honestly.
Speaker 2: The second I saw so, I was so unprepared of
Speaker 2: him being that pang. And like then he came and
Speaker 2: he was so pung. I didn't have any makeup on.
Speaker 2: I looked insane. I'd been walking for two hours. It
Speaker 2: was really hot, I'd been walking the dog. I was
Speaker 2: trying to close my rings on an Apple watch, and
Speaker 2: so I just looked mad. And he came in and
Speaker 2: I was sat on the floor on the phone to
Speaker 2: my friend who was having an argument with her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Like when he walked in, and.
Speaker 6: Then the second he sat down opposite me, I was like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, you're actually so fit, you are so muscly.
Speaker 3: What do you.
Speaker 2: Do do you take so sure?
Speaker 5: I said, I'm just really what disciplined.
Speaker 1: I mean, I ate the same thing every day.
Speaker 5: I just go to the gym.
Speaker 2: Sometimes every day. So tell me see.
Speaker 5: Lunch for lunch. It's very snacky. So I seen us
Speaker 5: going bars a protein bar, approtein your good apple.
Speaker 2: Sounds like such a sad way to live. Five oreos
Speaker 2: every day every day we have that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that diet is giving me like sociopath absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 3: people like that are complete freaks, but nobody has You do.
Speaker 2: Not have a body like that without being a sociopath.
Speaker 1: When he's there, like, it's very snacky, and to me,
Speaker 1: I'm They're like, what's that? Sorry? Four poor pies, A
Speaker 1: whole sub of pringles cheese.
Speaker 2: One yeah, left sandwich from prass Because.
Speaker 3: It isn't like that kind of snacky because that's my
Speaker 3: every day because I eat the same.
Speaker 1: Thing every day. I'm like, what chickens? Ye got the time?
Speaker 1: I got the time? But work hard? Looks fit, I
Speaker 1: guess you do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, cb a, No, I mean, but
Speaker 2: not everybody has to look like that. But it's nice
Speaker 2: that there are people in the world that look like that.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? It's like if everybody
Speaker 2: looks like that, it would be really boring. But it's
Speaker 2: nice when somebody looks like that and you're like, god,
Speaker 2: you look insane. I don't know, yeah, I mean unreal,
Speaker 2: Like his body is just pure muscle.
Speaker 1: Have five aureos. It's so random, the whole packet. So
Speaker 1: what do you do? Is that a really personal I
Speaker 1: make music?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, songwriter musicians love me.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 5: I think I've think I've been on with two comedians.
Speaker 2: Really, that's interesting. Get over them.
Speaker 5: Why I'm sure it was them and not the profession.
Speaker 2: Well we are obviously they were probably really bad comedians.
Speaker 5: Are a really good comedian.
Speaker 2: I'm a very good exquisite. First of all, this is
Speaker 2: please So this is like so funny because he claims
Speaker 2: that he's never like looked me up, which I obviously
Speaker 2: do not believe. I don't believe it for a second.
Speaker 2: But like he basically before he had decided to come
Speaker 2: on the date for the podcast, he mentioned it to
Speaker 2: one of his friends and he was like, Oh, I've
Speaker 2: been asked to do this thing with this girl called Grace.
Speaker 2: And then the girl was like, oh my god, Grace Gamble.
Speaker 2: And it turns out she went to my school, but
Speaker 2: was a few years above me, and she was like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you should definitely do it, like she's really funny.
Speaker 2: But then he claims that even then he didn't like
Speaker 2: look me up. I mean, don't believe it. What's your
Speaker 2: content in my comedy sets? Relationships? My dog took about
Speaker 2: my dog a lot on them. She's just been on heat,
Speaker 2: so it's given me quite a lot of comedy. She
Speaker 2: actually the other day she sat on a dog's face
Speaker 2: in the pub and then squatted all.
Speaker 1: Over his face.
Speaker 2: Do you want another drink?
Speaker 5: Is that your vibe?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was like, she's obviously seen me do that, and
Speaker 2: I was copying me.
Speaker 3: I mean, baby, you got gay right there. And he's like,
Speaker 3: to watch your content and you're like sex, and you're like,
Speaker 3: my dog's also been on here, just like me.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm based.
Speaker 3: But like also just like if you if you see
Speaker 3: the end game, yeah, stepping it strongly.
Speaker 2: And I saw like the second we started speaking, I
Speaker 2: was like, we have to have sex, and I really
Speaker 2: want it to be today that we have sad you.
Speaker 1: Sat down, You're like, how can this happen? Oh? I know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about my dog square in another
Speaker 1: dog's face.
Speaker 3: But wait, just break that down because like what you
Speaker 3: want about the dogs square?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Eddie squirted on a dog's face.
Speaker 1: Wait can dog square?
Speaker 2: Well apparently yeah, I googled it. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: a cat spray, Like it's like that, right, And it
Speaker 2: smelled just like squirt, which does not smell like piss,
Speaker 2: by the way, because as I always say, nobody has
Speaker 2: a baroka and then squirts and squirts baraka. But that's
Speaker 2: what I say to all the people that say squire's
Speaker 2: piss scientists, all the scientists and the doctor's other let
Speaker 2: me tell you that do the.
Speaker 1: Baroc Wait, so it was a sexual Squirre was like.
Speaker 2: So she was on heat and she was really horny,
Speaker 2: and she met this dog and they were playing, and
Speaker 2: then she got really aroused and then she mounted the
Speaker 2: dog's head, is like humping the dog's face, and then
Speaker 2: sprayed all this liquid. It was like our pub right, wow,
Speaker 2: sprayles liquid. So I picked her up and then she's
Speaker 2: like humping the an sprayed this liquid all over the
Speaker 2: guy opposite me. Oh, it was so embarrassing, like one
Speaker 2: of the most embarrassing things that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 2: I was so angry at her. The rest of the
Speaker 2: day was I know I felt about she after her
Speaker 2: first organism, just fell sleep before I did not wake
Speaker 2: up in this pub, did not wake up.
Speaker 1: Relatable queen. I'm always there, Like, you better make sure you.
Speaker 3: Come before I do, because as soon as I do,
Speaker 3: I'm in a coma.
Speaker 1: Really actually normally it's me. It takes longer. So God
Speaker 1: bless everyone's soul and whole that's been with me.
Speaker 3: But like I am, I hate that thing where like
Speaker 3: you've come and then you've got to make them come
Speaker 3: and you're just say like this is I didn't realize
Speaker 3: this was like the Lord of the Rings trilogy directors
Speaker 3: cut No.
Speaker 2: But that's the literally story of my life because I
Speaker 2: always come within the first thirty seconds of sex. Like
Speaker 2: it's so fucking embarrassing, Like I come so fast, but
Speaker 2: I don't mind it because I'll usually come again, like
Speaker 2: come again, I always do, but I always come quite
Speaker 2: quickly and then have to be like, okay, I can
Speaker 2: munster up the energy and though I'd really like to
Speaker 2: just have a sleep.
Speaker 1: I mean I live.
Speaker 3: And that segment was for all of our listeners into
Speaker 3: beat reality. Yeah, dogs can square.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other thing, which I guess during this process, like
Speaker 2: one of the things that I've done a lot that's
Speaker 2: challenged myself is gone dates with people who are like
Speaker 2: open or like ethically not monogamous or like moneyamous or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I've obviously never really like ventured into any of that.
Speaker 2: So I because I'd been told before that he was
Speaker 2: in like an ethically non monogamous relationship, but then when
Speaker 2: he came and I was so attracted to him, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh fuck, but he's got a girlfriend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we spoke about her. Are you in an open relationship?
Speaker 2: It started, Yeah, we discussed it.
Speaker 5: We both were on the same page of what we
Speaker 5: were looking for, so it made sense. And then okay,
Speaker 5: we fell in love and then continued going on.
Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, in a way I was really it was
Speaker 2: kind of cool, Like I did it. It wasn't I did.
Speaker 2: Like as long as like everybody involved is fine with it.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is kind of.
Speaker 3: Chill, yeah, because it shows someone has it's like an
Speaker 3: evolved state of being. Like if you can be non monogamous,
Speaker 3: it means that like you surely have good communication skills,
Speaker 3: They surely trust there. It's a very modern way of being,
Speaker 3: which is, like I think, really positive.
Speaker 2: But it's challenging as well because for me, like all
Speaker 2: of my relationships in the past have been like monogamous,
Speaker 2: and so when I'm sitting there opposite someone and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I want to fuck you so much, like the eye
Speaker 2: contact was just insane.
Speaker 3: Maybe I can hear the dripp between your legs.
Speaker 2: Well, for most of the day was actually we weren't
Speaker 2: really speaking. We were like just looking at each other
Speaker 2: and like laughing.
Speaker 5: Like, yes, say something, then.
Speaker 1: Concentrate.
Speaker 4: Okay, excuse me, what are you thinking?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Nothing, life. No, You're a really good one to end
Speaker 2: with that, because you're like I would, I would see
Speaker 2: you again.
Speaker 5: I'll see you again.
Speaker 1: Of course you're only human.
Speaker 3: Those long pauses of sexual tension. What you're thinking twenty
Speaker 3: second pause, not much you think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what happened? Yeah, was then so we took
Speaker 2: up mics off, and then we like went into the
Speaker 2: bit outside and then we started getting with each other.
Speaker 2: But then we both you see, such good kiss, unbelievably
Speaker 2: good kiss. But he also says I'm an amazing kisser,
Speaker 2: which is so nice.
Speaker 3: I love that I'm a great kiss I really myself.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, be in prison.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 2: How can you be bad at kissing? You've never listened.
Speaker 2: You've never listened, that's literally it is. And you also
Speaker 2: have no instinct because kissing is all about instinct. Is
Speaker 2: that you just like received you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: You're just like it's two people anyway, So we were
Speaker 2: like kissing. It was so fucking hot, and then we
Speaker 2: both had plans somewhere to go and then but I
Speaker 2: got his number and then he left and then I
Speaker 2: was like a bit drunk. We had like three drinks.
Speaker 2: So I texted him like, you're really fair, I want
Speaker 2: to see you again.
Speaker 1: He was like it was.
Speaker 3: Actually the most you've actually said that entire day.
Speaker 2: And then he was like you're already, Like when can
Speaker 2: I see you? And I was like, well, what are
Speaker 2: you doing later tonight? Like I had a dinner and
Speaker 2: then he came around and yeah, and then we had
Speaker 2: amazing sex. Oh I shagged the last date we shagged.
Speaker 2: We got with each other like there and then.
Speaker 3: But sometimes that's nice though, sometimes has to step into
Speaker 3: a date and be there like oh we're sucking.
Speaker 2: But it's it's a challenging process because then you're like
Speaker 2: you're in a relationship, but it's also fine. But as
Speaker 2: it's like happened since, it's actually been so nice for
Speaker 2: me because I really like hanging out with someone knowing
Speaker 2: that there's never going to be any pressure of like
Speaker 2: what is this.
Speaker 3: Ye yeah, because I was like dating doesn't have to
Speaker 3: be defined love exactly, connection exactly. Because I had this
Speaker 3: thing like I was out recently and it's like dirty
Speaker 3: little gay bar, like so grubby, and there was this
Speaker 3: guy like looking at me, like giving me the eye,
Speaker 3: but he was with another man, And for some reason
Speaker 3: in my head, when I see that, I narrate being
Speaker 3: like always with someone, I don't think, oh, in the
Speaker 3: queer world, it could be like maybe a three, so
Speaker 3: maybe they're open. Maybe it's not with them, Like I
Speaker 3: shut it down because I narrate the fact that like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's not a possibility. But then this guy like kept
Speaker 3: looking at me, and at one point he came over
Speaker 3: and we got each other, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's funny how I like shut these things down by
Speaker 3: being like, oh, this would never work. The guy did
Speaker 3: also message me being there like I might have gone
Speaker 3: to throw it's.
Speaker 1: Hand stecked out.
Speaker 3: Oh thank god, because you know life is good, live, left,
Speaker 3: love love. The worst part I having gone Reea is
Speaker 3: learning how to spell gonnery when textperies to.
Speaker 2: Say possible, it's arif you have to google it every
Speaker 2: time and is right, gone girl, gone gone, I'm gone.
Speaker 1: I've got gone, get yourself checked. Gone girl.
Speaker 3: But but no, it's nice to step into something and
Speaker 3: know it is what it is and you.
Speaker 2: Know what it is. I think that's what's been really
Speaker 2: nice because I feel like my issue in the past
Speaker 2: has always been like either things accelerate way too fast
Speaker 2: and I encourage that and often I'm the source of that,
Speaker 2: or I get really really freaked out because I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I feel like so much pressure of
Speaker 2: like are we gonna is this gonna like accelerate and
Speaker 2: suddenly we're gonna be together? Or like am I going
Speaker 2: to like put them off? But there's zero pressure on
Speaker 2: the situation. And he's very like open and honest about
Speaker 2: like his relationship and it sort of seems like all fine,
Speaker 2: but we like get on and like have a good
Speaker 2: time together. And it's really nice because when he leaves,
Speaker 2: I'm not like thinking, oh, when I next and speak
Speaker 2: to him when I'm next going to see him, because
Speaker 2: I know that's not what the situation is.
Speaker 1: Maybe you've found the thing that is in your life
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: It's teaching me something. At the moment, I can't quite
Speaker 2: like articulate what it is, but I feel like it's
Speaker 2: meant to have happened.
Speaker 1: Wow, spiritual, so spiritual. I was supposed to be dicked
Speaker 1: down by this guy in an open relationship. Thank you, Universe,
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I manifested after twenty seven dates.
Speaker 3: Twenty seven dates. I don't think I've been on twenty
Speaker 3: seven dates my entire life.
Speaker 2: It was a really nice way to end because you know,
Speaker 2: like I've already said, it's a nice thing for me
Speaker 2: because at the moment, I don't know really what is
Speaker 2: I'm looking for in general, Like I feel super confused
Speaker 2: about whether or not I want to commit to someone
Speaker 2: again just yet. I still feel like I have more
Speaker 2: work to do on myself. But I feel like this
Speaker 2: is a really good sign because I'm challenging myself by
Speaker 2: going on dates and like shagging someone who's like in
Speaker 2: an ethically non monogous relationship. That's a challenge, but I'm
Speaker 2: actually like really enjoying it and I'm not finding it
Speaker 2: difficult in anyway, and it's making me think about maybe
Speaker 2: me being able to do that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was interesting as well. I'd go
Speaker 3: on dates to different types of people to expand that
Speaker 3: scope as well, to be like, oh, really normally go
Speaker 3: for this person, but let me see, because sometimes I
Speaker 3: think dating is like you bringing your life and someone
Speaker 3: brings someone out's life experience together. And if you're constantly
Speaker 3: going with someone who's like quite similar to you or
Speaker 3: like the same sort of jobs or whatever, like they're
Speaker 3: not bringing a whole fresh experience to your life. And
Speaker 3: I think that sometimes there's the beauty of dating and
Speaker 3: connecting with people as you've been like I've never experienced that,
Speaker 3: or like I didn't know that was a thing, or
Speaker 3: it's oh it's gorgeous, actual passion or do.
Speaker 2: I mean like yeah, it opens your mind up and
Speaker 2: very like it's enriching. It is enriching. And I always
Speaker 2: think like every experience you have, like every day everyone
Speaker 2: likes sound whatever, you always get something from it, whether
Speaker 2: it's a story or like whether they play a song
Speaker 2: and you're like, well that, what's that song? And then
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I've got a really good song out
Speaker 2: like meeting this person, Like I always get something like
Speaker 2: whenever I have a one night sound, I always get
Speaker 2: like one kind of like thing that I'll like have forever,
Speaker 2: like from my experience, and it doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: like the love.
Speaker 1: Of my life.
Speaker 3: So I know it's been trials and tribulations, ups and
Speaker 3: downs and like quite intense at points to date so
Speaker 3: many people, but like, have you enjoyed it?
Speaker 2: Well, firstly, thank you for helping me, you know, make
Speaker 2: sense of a lot of it and making it fun
Speaker 2: and bringing you know, like a fun side to it,
Speaker 2: because some of it's been really quit it's tenuous.
Speaker 3: The word like yeah, yeah, that's the best thing about dating, right,
Speaker 3: is like be able to chat to your mate about it, well.
Speaker 2: Exactly, It's like that's almost the funnest part about dating
Speaker 2: is then being able to go and debrief the day.
Speaker 2: Like I always feel like when I go on a
Speaker 2: date and then the next day I don't have time
Speaker 2: to send a voice note to the girls, I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 2: I can't forget. I have to tell them like everything
Speaker 2: that happened. I've enjoyed the process. I feel like I've
Speaker 2: learned a lot from the process. At the beginning, I
Speaker 2: was skeptical because I didn't think I was going to
Speaker 2: like meet the love of my life through this process,
Speaker 2: But I've learned so much about myself even through talking
Speaker 2: to so many different people about dating relationships. I've learned
Speaker 2: so much about where my tapestry emotionally has left me
Speaker 2: at this point, and actually how I have to rebuild
Speaker 2: a lot more stuff to get into a healthy place
Speaker 2: with relationships. And what's been really cool is like exploring
Speaker 2: all these different types of relationships, thinking about ways I
Speaker 2: could trust people in the future without it just being
Speaker 2: an a monogamous relationship. So it's been very enriching for me.
Speaker 2: I'm really happy that it's over, but I'm happy that
Speaker 2: I've met some of these people, and some of the
Speaker 2: dates were like people that I'm sure I'll see again.
Speaker 1: Yeah you hang out again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think there's definitely something like gems in there. There's
Speaker 3: some gems and there's some absolutely seeming flaming parts of turns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well listen, I got three hours seat
Speaker 2: last night because I was shagging. There we go number
Speaker 2: twenty eight.
Speaker 3: And the thing is when he first originally came to
Speaker 3: this production company. You're like, I want to make a podcast,
Speaker 3: and beneath that you were like, I just need them
Speaker 3: to help me fox them up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And actually I got some really good sex out
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: And that's at the end of the day. Who goes
Speaker 1: back creating anything else?
Speaker 2: On Eddie, Eddie.
Speaker 1: A little dog every single day. The mic, the mic
Speaker 1: working in the mind.
Speaker 2: When it started, she was about that big and now
Speaker 2: it's finished and she's a full blown slot.
Speaker 3: She's squatting another dog's faces and I listen, I can
Speaker 3: be proud of you.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. Hey, thank you. I'm talking
Speaker 1: to the dog race. It's not you the dog. I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of the dog. I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 2: Around for me, I'm a savoy. Can it are you giving.
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 2: Twenty eight Days Later is produced by Novel for iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: is presented by me Grace Campbell, with help from Roz
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