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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got this, you got you got it?

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Speaker 2: Do there. I'm trying. I'm trying to get around you

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Speaker 2: got the silhouette that we ain't playing.

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Speaker 3: Hey, listen man, America.

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Speaker 4: We're here again on another beautiful day on the Hawks

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Speaker 4: and Friends podcast. Man, and I'm just trying to keep

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Speaker 4: my composure because we don't get a chance to be

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Speaker 4: shoulder to shoulders with legends, shoulder the shoulders with icons.

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Speaker 4: Man and listen, man, Today's guest needs no introduction. Okay,

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Speaker 4: a Hall of Famer, an icon, a legend. Everybody makes

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Speaker 4: some noise for Dominique.

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Speaker 1: Wilcind Appreciate it, appreciated, Appreciate what's happy. It's good to

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Speaker 1: see you outside of the Hawks arena. Man. I'm telling you, man,

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Speaker 1: you're not as amped up today as you are at therena.

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Speaker 3: No, Man, because you know, I really be into it.

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Speaker 3: I really be into it. You know what I'm saying, like.

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Speaker 1: That you amped up, but you ain't aft like I'm.

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Speaker 3: Amped up because I'm a fan. When I'm at that arena.

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Speaker 3: I paid for them to hear my frustration.

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Speaker 1: I feel you.

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Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying, No cap because they represent us.

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Speaker 3: I am really from Atlanta.

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Speaker 5: But you have been representing Atlanta for quite some times, man,

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Speaker 5: and we want to say thank you.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Man, I appreciate it. You know, Atlanta basically

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Speaker 1: made me Hawaiian, right, you know when I came out

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Speaker 1: of high school, right, Actually, I moved to Atlanta first

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Speaker 1: before I went to the University of Georgia, and Georgia

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Speaker 1: kind of got me out of the situation that I

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Speaker 1: was in in North Carolina, which was a pretty intense,

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Speaker 1: dangerous situation, right, And this was the first city that

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Speaker 4: Man, and take it back to the eighties, Man, the

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Speaker 4: NBA Draft.

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Speaker 5: Eighty, first round, third overall pick, Like, how did that feel?

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Speaker 3: Because you know, I had a dream to be in

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Speaker 3: the NBA. But it's people that actually lived our dreams.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So we be living through people.

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Speaker 4: So when we say that, and when people say that

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Speaker 4: to me, I really understand. And when we see y'all

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Speaker 4: on the court, everybody had a dream of being an NBA.

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Speaker 1: Star, oh, you know, and that was our dream growing

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Speaker 1: up because I grew up in Baltimore, Maryland, right, And

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Speaker 1: at the time, Baltimore had the highest crib rate in

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Speaker 1: And the guy asked me. He said, hey, son, you

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Speaker 1: he said where you're going to leave from here? I'm like,

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Speaker 1: that's how my career started. We were seventy six and

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Speaker 1: high school. How many championship back to back, back to back,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you know in North Carolina. And

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Speaker 1: For my high school teammate went to Wake Forest. So

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Speaker 1: But you know, the funny thing is his players was

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Speaker 1: He was He refused to let us lose the city,

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Speaker 5: So speak on like having like coaches because people don't

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Speaker 5: understand roles are important.

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Speaker 1: Let me explain something about coaching. Coaches are put there

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Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes coaches use the best players as

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Speaker 1: All the coaches I ever had always jumped on me

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Speaker 1: from a toughness standpoint. One thing I hate when guys,

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Speaker 1: when you know, if a coach get on you too hard,

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Speaker 1: this is what we signed up for, you know. So

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Speaker 1: it's a lot come with being the king when you're

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Speaker 3: You are the target.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, that's what I love That's

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Speaker 5: I'm glad you said it because I feel like it

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Speaker 4: Two thousands, you still seen it like it's they call foles.

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Speaker 4: It's like the game has gotten soft.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, you could get away with a lot more.

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Speaker 1: The fowls are you know, it is what it is, right,

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Speaker 1: It's been there. We took a lot more hypercentate shots.

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Speaker 1: It's just a fact because I hear a lot of

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Speaker 3: You can develop a good mid range shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you dangerous Kawhi Leonard right, you know,

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Speaker 1: the analytical guys that y'all are dead wrong, right because

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Speaker 1: this mid ring shot. I can still get thirty right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've had games where I had fifty two,

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Speaker 1: it's possible. It's impossible for you to get fifty seven

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Speaker 4: So looking at these matchups, because Michael stopped a lot

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you know, Chicago was always tough. Chicago was

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Speaker 1: Who out of New York. His name was Bernard King.

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Speaker 3: Is, gotta look Bernard. What happened?

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Speaker 2: Now? What happened?

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Speaker 1: Because he's getting forty and nothing you can do about it? Nothing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't sleep the night before I played.

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Speaker 3: Against stud in forty all the top.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when I I said, look, I know he

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Speaker 1: We just called it.

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Speaker 3: So everybody got that that. Michael Jordan felt like they sped.

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Speaker 1: Michael and I the only two foes in the NBA history,

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Speaker 3: For a whole career, every time y'all played each other.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't think about if somebody brought it to

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Speaker 1: my Titch and I look back on those game I'm like, whoa,

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Speaker 1: he had forty seven. I might have forty two. I

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Speaker 1: might have forty five, he might have forty he had

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Speaker 1: sixty one. I had, you know, forty and all those games.

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Speaker 1: Was like that, man, because he brought out the best

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Speaker 1: in him. You know, we love competing against one another,

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the things.

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Speaker 3: It ain't no competing no more.

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Speaker 1: I had to guard Larry Bird, I had to guard

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Speaker 1: Doctor j I had to guard Worthy English Dantley a

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Speaker 1: the power forwards this and they had a license to

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Speaker 5: When did you realize, like, you know what, I have

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Speaker 5: And and it's crazy that you said that you played

433
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Speaker 5: against the greatest, but not only did you play against

434
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Speaker 5: the greatest.

435
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Speaker 3: Your career is long, jeviy, And you can attest to

436
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 3: this in the NBA.

437
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: Nine years.

438
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 3: That's cool, that's good, that's that's alright.

439
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 5: You played long enough were you're gonna stab it and

440
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,959
Speaker 5: make you some money once you can a double digits

441
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 5: ten the better twelve, thirteen, fourteen, like you good, Like

442
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 5: they're trying to get every little juice about you.

443
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I could have played two or three

444
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Speaker 1: more years if I wanted to. I could have got

445
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: to nineteen twenty years, right, But at that time, it

446
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: was it was changing. It was about really kind of

447
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: nurturing the young guy, you know, and fascinating because I

448
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: remember Chuck Daily said to me when I was in

449
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Speaker 1: Orlando at the end of my career and I had

450
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Speaker 1: I was starting averaging like nineteen twenty points and like

451
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Speaker 1: eight nine rebounds. But I was but I was only

452
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: playing like eighteen minutes a night stilled, and I remember

453
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Speaker 1: he came to me, said, we're gonna start Matt Harpman.

454
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Speaker 1: Could we need more scoring, right? And I said, Chuck,

455
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Speaker 1: let me say that. See, you don't have to blow smoker.

456
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: I said, don't insult my intelligence. Right, right, I was

457
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: leading the league in points per minute, right, I said,

458
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Speaker 1: if you want to start the young guys, hey, I'm

459
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: not no problem with that. I understand things are changing. Cool,

460
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: but don't don't don't come with me with that.

461
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Speaker 4: Come on, really, it's going point in twenty minutes. Yeah,

462
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 4: you're gonna score every minute.

463
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Speaker 1: Like, guys, this is this is what I've done. So

464
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Speaker 1: if it's about development, I'm cool with that, but let

465
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Speaker 1: me know the front this is what it is, right,

466
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: it's about the business too, instead of you know, insulting

467
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Speaker 1: your intelligence, you know, correct. Yeah, So I saw the

468
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Speaker 1: change and I said, you know what, maybe I'm gonna

469
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Speaker 1: retire and go into the front office. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 2: More.

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Speaker 4: Now, you've been in the game for for quite some time, Like,

473
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Speaker 4: what is the most craziest fan interaction that you because

474
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Speaker 4: today's fans ain't fan.

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Speaker 1: No, no, listen. They had a guy in Detroit, Leana Barber.

476
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Speaker 1: I can't even tell you the stuff he said to

477
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Speaker 1: Some of the stuff he said to us behind the bench,

478
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: and he sat right behind our bench on two big bodyguards.

479
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: And some of the stuff is that you can't say

480
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: on air. It's not it's not clean enough for television.

481
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Speaker 3: But people don't know that fans back then was trash talking.

482
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Speaker 1: He didn't get thrown out because it wasn't for us.

483
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: It was entertainment. You know, we didn't. We didn't get upset,

484
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Speaker 1: get fans thrown out. We just didn't do it, not

485
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Speaker 1: unless a fan came out of stands and did something

486
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Speaker 1: this right, but talking all they did to motivate.

487
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Speaker 3: Us, right, because he's supposed to make you bring the dog.

488
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Speaker 1: Out because that shows you your toughness too, kind of

489
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Speaker 1: like shut. I don't get that fan thrown out. He

490
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: obviously a fan of mine because he's he came to

491
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Speaker 1: see me play. He's talking crazy and because this is

492
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: what motivates him. But you know what, there's something that

493
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: same fan Leaner Barber after the game was asked me

494
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: for my shoes all the time. So it was never personal.

495
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: It was he was supporting his team, you know. So

496
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Speaker 1: it was a lot of fans around the legal like that.

497
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we loved it, we embraced it.

498
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Speaker 3: Who was the best trash talk as a player?

499
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Speaker 1: Oh man, A lot of My brother was one of them. Cherild, Yeah,

500
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: I remember he told me, he said, big brother, you

501
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: ain't scoring no more tonight. I said, little bru, I

502
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: got forty. I don't want to score no more. I'm done.

503
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Speaker 1: A matter of fact, Coach, take me out. I don't

504
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: even want to play no more.

505
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 5: Well, you had to be taken out because you too good,

506
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 5: versus you asked the coach, why are you taking it out?

507
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Speaker 1: I mean I said that because he was talking trash.

508
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: But it was a lot Chuck person Indiana Pacers, Oh

509
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: my god, It's almost like we fought every game matter

510
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: fist fight or show me make something every game every game. Yeah,

511
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: and then you got Larry Bird. Larry Bird. If you

512
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: wasn't ready, he took your heart.

513
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Speaker 2: You know.

514
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Speaker 1: Larry was great. It was a lot. It was quite

515
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: a few guys that talked like that, but Larry and

516
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Speaker 1: Chuck was some of the best. Larry was number one

517
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: because everything he said he did it. He backed it up.

518
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: He backed it up.

519
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Speaker 3: That's bad.

520
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: He's bad. And that's why again, I don't I hate

521
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Speaker 1: when people asked. I had a guy ask me, did

522
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: I think I could score fifteen points a game in

523
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: today's game? Could you? I said, is that a trick question?

524
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: I said, which quarter?

525
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Speaker 3: Hmm?

526
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: I like, are you serious? Right? And I said, I

527
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: averaged thirty in the hand check era. I said, what

528
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: do you think I'd do if you can't touch me?

529
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, man, really text, but we all

530
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: like physical contact. Man. I wanted to bump and grind

531
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: down around the basket. Because the thing about when you

532
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: can feel a guy, you know how to play him.

533
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: I already know how you can play because if I

534
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: can feel you, I got you if I can because

535
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: if I can make you commit one way, I'm going opposite.

536
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: And people said, well, what do you mean by that?

537
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: I said, a lot of times, when you guys catch

538
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: the bought, the first thing you do is dribble. Well,

539
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: what you do when you can feel a guy, you

540
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: commit one way to the other. If you feel and

541
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Speaker 1: move to your right, you know you drop and go

542
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: left and those are all the things we love that

543
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: high school college to prepare us for the pros. So

544
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff say up and under drop step you

545
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: know power, We learned that at very early age. The

546
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: thing is is how can you put pressure consistently on

547
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: the team. If you don't attack right, you have to

548
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: attack My whole thing with this is my strategy. If

549
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm playing against another great player on the other side

550
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: of it, right, if I can get two fouls on

551
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: him early, now I create an advantage for myself because

552
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: now he's not gonna play me as hard. He's to

553
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: get that third file right. And so you create that

554
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: advantage early. Now you get going. Now the ball is

555
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: going in the basket. You know, your level of confidence

556
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: is elevated, and you know you're trying to get that

557
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: third file on before you get to halftime.

558
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Speaker 3: I feel like we get our coaching on.

559
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 4: And since we're in our coaching and this is Hawks

560
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 4: and friends, what you think no Hawks got to do

561
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 4: by me?

562
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, we got to stay healthy, man,

563
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean injury, have been hit with that injury rebug,

564
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: and you know we got guys out right now. But

565
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: you know I got to give it to these guys. Man,

566
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: they still fighting, right, we got to fight fighting. They

567
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: playing hard, you know, and each night it's a different

568
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: guy to step up. Your last last game was Trey

569
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: hitting the big shot, that big fourth quarter said he had.

570
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: But you know, you look at rechter Shire. He played well.

571
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: Then night, Dyce and Daniels played well. And that's what

572
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: you got to have when you're decimated, you know, with injuries,

573
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: you gotta do it collectively. It's hard to do it

574
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: with one guy.

575
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 4: Yes, And that's crazy because as collective as the city,

576
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: we all want to say thank you again for bringing

577
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: that energy and that love.

578
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: And that's why you got a statue.

579
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Speaker 2: You ain't.

580
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: Nobody got no statue.

581
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: You know what, it's only one jersey. I felt good

582
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: and throughout my career. And I'm not just saying this.

583
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: It's a Hawk jersey. When I was with Boston and

584
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: LA Clippers and saying I didn't feel right. I didn't

585
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: look right in th jerseys.

586
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: Ain't look right in them colors.

587
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Speaker 5: Man, Only this red and yellow matter, man, That's right,

588
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 5: that's right, boss Fade, he eat in the head.

589
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: Oh gee, it's an honor, man. Don't let this be

590
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: your last.

591
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: Oh no, we can do it anytime.

592
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: Man need your crib. They got a picasso.

593
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: You gotta pool, and he gotta and he got a gazebo.

594
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: And don't nobody be over.

595
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: Here, right and that tiny house. When I want to

596
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: get away from my grandkids, I go over there.

597
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 5: You got a tighty house and get away from his house.

598
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 5: He got a house to get away from his original house.

599
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 5: He tied in that house.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, it's a it's a blessing and an honor man.

601
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: And you know, like you said, we just want to

602
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 4: continue to give you your flowers while you can hear

603
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 4: and will appreciate you. And we're thankful for everything that

604
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: you've done for the city. And we're glad that you

605
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 4: came and did it for Ice city.

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Speaker 3: That's why I woll this jersey. Let you know it's

607
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: still here. That's crazy that you could do something so

608
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: long ago and he still.

609
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Speaker 1: You know what's funny, I'm thirty three. You know you

610
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: can get my jersey. I can't. I can't get it.

611
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: Why they said they had to order, which is a

612
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: good problem.

613
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm about the same thing you created it.

614
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: No, but no that then the Hawks will always make

615
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: sure that I have a jersey for the families and grandkids.

616
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: And I have two great grand kids. I'm a great uncle.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you're too young for grade on that what

618
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: you say.

619
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Speaker 3: My mama had me with you forty five. My daddy

620
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Speaker 3: was sixty one.

621
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Speaker 1: Oh, g okay, yeah it makes sense.

622
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Speaker 3: My dadd had graduated high school before you.

623
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Speaker 1: Sure you're right?

624
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: Hey, o g alta man, you know what's up? Man?

625
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: Hey man, it's a great episode of Hawks and Free.

626
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is my area.

627
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: You got to have a path.

628
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: No, you know, only time I really come in the

629
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: house and I'm eat right or go to sleep right

630
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: these two rooms to get away. Man, this is my

631
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: this is my human door.

632
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: That's why I can't wait for my house is done.

633
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: I can get my I got my paths down on here.

634
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: You know why these are here, right, because when you

635
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: smoke in here, you can't burn my chest.

636
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 5: But oh, okay, this is need some of the couple

637
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 5: of my ch I thought there was just like, you know,

638
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 5: keep the plastic on the firm.

639
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: It's something like that.

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00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a book.

641
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to buy, you know, burning holes in

642
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: my chest. But you know, both of these areas like

643
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: it's like my you just cigar bar.

644
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: You drink.

645
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I got a little see this one,

646
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 5: this one like more family oriented when even when the

647
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 5: family wanted to get out.

648
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: But this one, I had my bending meeting.

649
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just I have a lot of meetings out here. Yeah,

650
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, we do a lot of podcasts from time

651
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: to time out here. But I wanted just to look

652
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: more like a low cabin.

653
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, wrong with that.

654
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: And then you know, I have my own my own,

655
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: your own, Yeah, I got my own bourbon burning. I'm

656
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: gonna give you about it.

657
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 6: Give me bis to that was yours, walk around, grand.

658
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: I built the floor myself. I did the floor myself.

659
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: So you're telling me you got down here and you

660
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: and you grew it, leveled it, saying until you realize

661
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: you needed somebody professional to finish.

662
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: No, no, I finished it for I did this whole floor.

663
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: I did this, I did this backsplash here, that whole

664
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: wall there.

665
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: That's fine.

666
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: And the only thing I had because we had shingles

667
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: at the top. I got to get rid of the

668
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: shing so I had somebody that can do the roof,

669
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: but the floor stuff like this all that.

670
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: Then I came in put.

671
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: Heating in the air and then I put you know, cigar, uh.

672
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: So you do you do?

673
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: So you you be reconstruct the houses too.

674
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say all that.

675
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: I mean, anybodyn do a floor.

676
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: That's that's the start is on. You need a floor

677
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: before you get a bail. I'm really handy.

678
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I'm a country by myself.

679
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: I built a lot, even a little boards on my

680
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: tiny house. I built those I put those boards on,

681
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: that's all right. And actually we took my old fence

682
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: down with my uncle and I built the.

683
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: Fen Ya built the fen too. You dug it up.

684
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, stuck the wood down.

685
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: You know. I got my nail gun the whole the

686
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: whole thing.

687
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: You know. That's engineering.

688
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: That's the engineering, right.

689
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: See. People don't know that, that's engineer.

690
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: Always been a hand of man. I come from a

691
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: family that the men of the family always work. You

692
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: got to work inside that out right.

693
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, I got to get dirty.

694
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The only thing I gonna like when my

695
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: kids they come here, they take basketball and they throw

696
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: them all over the yard and I gotta come pick

697
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: up im.

698
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 7: About to say I thought that was a boat, I

699
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 7: would say, you don't do no fish. Oh no, no, no,

700
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 7: you know fish? Oh well yeah, yeah yeah, Okay, I

701
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 7: bash fish. Okay, been bass fished. My dad father from

702
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 7: North Carolina. That's all they did hunt. I used to

703
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 7: hunt too. I used to steal. My grandfather had a

704
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 7: gun to shoot sixteen times.

705
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: It was silent. I used to go shoot at the barn.

706
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: Boy.

707
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: See, I thought I was good. I ain't good. I'm

708
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 2: gonna keep that Burby right here.

709
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: This is my championship troph Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what. Hey,

710
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: that is excellent buron.

711
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: And you know I don't drink, but I'm gonna drink that.

712
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not much of a drinking Usually it's

713
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: for other people. I kind of experiment a little bit,

714
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: but not I'm not a big time. Well you know,

715
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to replace this whole floor because I've

716
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: had it here for a minute and it's starting to fade.

717
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: So CBA Sports, from which I partner with, this is

718
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: what we do. We do outdoor courts, right, we do

719
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: indoor courts. And yeah, you got this, you got to

720
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: you got it that.

721
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying.

722
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get around.

723
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: You got the silhouette that.

724
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: We ain't playing what hey wow, that the boss thing

725
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: I was talking about.

726
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: Man, hey, that's funny. That's funny. So yeah, so we

727
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: we we have a court building company. Actually I have

728
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: my own signatuship floor coming out right.

729
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: You know, how would they because I refer them to me?

730
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: So I got you this. What if you want to court,

731
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: just call me and they get over and look at

732
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: your property.

733
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: I need one matter matter of fact, I want this

734
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: same silhouette. Matter of fact, I want this same court.

735
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: You know what with the hawks. Make sure you get

736
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: my information and I'll send the guy to hell cause

737
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: they'll come out and look at your property, see where

738
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: you want it? And I got up now and see

739
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: this is also a tennis court too, right because you

740
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: because you have you have you have have rebounders here

741
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: these are rebounders.

742
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 5: Right, and then you have the these right here rebounder

743
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 5: just the rebound for for not oh for the tents, I.

744
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: Mean the actually like if you want here shooting by yourself,

745
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: you can you know this is this is this is

746
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: your reading.

747
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: So what's what's what's what's your technique of a perfect

748
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: jump shot?

749
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what it is now, but back

750
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: then it's just keep it just going straight up and down,

751
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: getting balanced, you know what I mean. I'm pigeon told

752
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: so you know like this, go straight up and down.

753
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: Let me see. Yeah, you gotta have fun, baby, you

754
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: gotta have fun. I'm old man. I can't shoot it

755
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: like I used to. Or bye, that's good looking shot.

756
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: That's a good looking shot. Now, Coach told me that

757
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: I wan't gonna be.

758
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you though. I'm gonna tell you though.

759
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: The first thing I would tell you know right, start

760
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: right here. See most kids the shot they take the

761
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: three three? You two, you know what, see the ball

762
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: go down? Take an easy shot, you know what I mean?

763
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: Take like two of them, and then you step out.

764
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: Knock down like two of those. There you go. Now

765
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: you step out or go in the corner with it, whatever,

766
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: you come through it. Now you don't see that ball

767
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: go down? Right?

768
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 5: You know.

769
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: I've coached both my sons, both of them.

770
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 5: See what look and my daughter is it Isn't that

771
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 5: like a blessing for you to give off some game

772
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 5: to your loved one, especially that you know that they

773
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 5: can use.

774
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: I think we have a social responsibility to give back

775
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: what we've learned right. And when I hear people say, oh, well,

776
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm not a role model. I don't like being, but

777
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: you are. When you put in that position, you have

778
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: an obligation to give it back, right. You know. That's

779
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: why if you ever see me with bodyguards all that stuff,

780
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: huh huh, how can you connect to people if people

781
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: can can't even touch it, interact me to touch it?

782
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean. So that's why I get expect from places

783
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: I go, especially in the city of Atlanta, because I'm oneer.

784
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: If you guys, that's how I like.

785
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: When I'm moving in the city. I understand.

786
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: When I'm out certain times you may need that.

787
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: But when I'm in the city, man, I don't need

788
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: no security. I know how to move around.

789
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 5: He need, nigga, would I'm outside?

790
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling I go to grocery all that stuff,

791
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: and people are like, hey, nigga, how you doing because

792
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: they see me so much?

793
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: How you doing?

794
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: So?

795
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 5: You know, I don't have to have all that run right, right,

796
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 5: And that's how you stay connected with the earth, with

797
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 5: with with life.

798
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: You already know what's going on.

799
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 5: Because I'm a I'm are because I do this, I'm

800
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 5: still a human being.

801
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And that's why people that's

802
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: why people love you, because then you do that. Man,

803
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: you got you got a little jump shot there.

804
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: But I try to do a little some something.

805
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: What's he once he told me, I won't gonna be none.

806
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: I put the jump, I put it die, I put

807
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: everything and die.

808
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: And so my son is my youngest son, six eleven

809
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: right right. He used to come out here, him and

810
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: his friends all the time, and they kept the gold

811
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: and all they wanted to do is dunk. I said, man,

812
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: put the gold up doing I said, if you want

813
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: to learn how to play the game, put it up

814
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: ten feet. Well, daddy's just me and the fellas. I like,

815
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: put the go up. I mean, I'm screaming at him

816
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: all the time. Now he finally realized why.

817
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 2: Because he doesn't he doesn't try anything.

818
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I see him. And actually it was a little bit

819
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: lower than this, like, come on, son, you know. So

820
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: the funniest thing. So as he got taller, you know,

821
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: I think he was six eight at the time, a

822
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: couple of his friends come over and he asked me

823
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: to come out and play with him. I said, I

824
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: don't know, I'll be out in the minute. Son. So

825
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: I saw him on the court from the window and

826
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: he kept looking back, can see.

827
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: If I was seeing you come, I see you know what.

828
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: I gotta come. I gotta go, I gotta come.

829
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: So it was me and him against two of his guys.

830
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: And these kids were like six eight, both of them

831
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: six eight, and you know, and one of the guys said,

832
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: don't worry about his pop this god Jacob.

833
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 2: I like what you tried.

834
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: Oh man, I started. I was winning a little kid

835
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: out right, and so he tried to go by me.

836
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: He hit me in the chest. My son said, oh

837
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 1: hit a brick wall.

838
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: You go learn today.

839
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: Hey, I heard for two weeks. That was the last.

840
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: That was it. That.

841
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: That wasn't that my That wasn't in my for t

842
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: right as every day. Yeah, it wasn't in my wheelhouse.

843
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna do some games.

844
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: It was fun while I lasted, because I knew he

845
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: wanted he wanted He just wanted that experience. Wanted me

846
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: to come out.

847
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: He wanted that experience.

848
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: Tell us, you know and say this friend and dad

849
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: out there playing me and daddy bust y'all. Yeah, yeah,

850
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: you gotta pull that gold up. But you know, first

851
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: of all, it's a god given talent, a gift of

852
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: being able to elevate, you know. But somebody dunk for

853
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: the first time, make sure to go with at a

854
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: height that you can reach it. You know, uh, you know,

855
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: I believe my first dunk was thirteen years old.

856
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 5: I as a dunk ten for before. I don't think

857
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 5: I can do it again. I mean, I don't say

858
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 5: came to my vocabulary. I can't see practice makes perfect,

859
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 5: you know. I don't practice the dunk.

860
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: You know, I just noticed that shirt.

861
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, I won't play.

862
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: That's my shirt.

863
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: I don't play. Man. We represent right here in atlanda

864
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: man we getting in blood represented all right.

865
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: They want to see it. See what you got, See

866
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: what you got.

867
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: It's all about which which dunk you want me to do?

868
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: What wal off the back boy? I'm crazy. I don't

869
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: better go crazy.

870
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 5: Okay, they want off the back ball, all the black boy,

871
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 5: all the back boy up too half for myself, you.

872
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: Know, definitely. That was one of my slam dunk contests,

873
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: winning dunkstads.

874
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: See but this now, now I gotta all time.

875
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: And baby, it's all time.

876
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: It's all about time.

877
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: That's all about about how you know that.

878
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: I ain't know that back boy had a little seamen on.

879
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's it. There you go, there you go.

880
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: Dunk contest.

881
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 5: Now that got so hey, oh man, they doing they

882
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 5: be doing stuff. Looking at it, I'll be like, you

883
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 5: ain't doing nothing.

884
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: And you know what if they now McLoone is doing

885
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: it again this year right for a three peak. Right,

886
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: it's amazing because you got a guy coming out of G.

887
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: League something the little shot. Yeah, he been doing the thing.

888
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: If I'm an NBA player, man, I'm Paris and Barish

889
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: League got beat me and bears, no sir.

890
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So think about it like this, right? How you

891
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: how you looking at it? How do you see that?

892
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: Right now?

893
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 5: You don't have to make it to the NBA. They

894
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 5: got so many that's what it's saying. They got so

895
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 5: many avenues.

896
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: You right, coach, I probably won the NBA player, but

897
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm an nil europe League player. You never taught me that.

898
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: I only thought NBA was the only way.

899
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: You know what, if you're an NBA player, you work

900
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: all your life to get to this level. Right. It

901
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: ain't nobody at this level, right, and this that's why

902
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: I'll pay you. I'm sure, Michael Jordan, Magine all testing

903
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: ain't come and beat me right, No, not happening, because

904
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: it's pride, right, you know, pride. It's all about pride, man.

905
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: You know.

906
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: Hell, we were going at the toughest guys right to

907
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: do the contest right, you know, and you had to

908
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: bring it.

909
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: You know.

910
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: My first dunk contest was Doctor J. Larry Nance uh Griffith.

911
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean these are legendary dunk because the dunk right.

912
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: And again I didn't do very well in a dunk

913
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: contest because I am stargazing because the Doctor J. That

914
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: was my guy, you know. And so once I got

915
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: over that, that next year, I said, I'm not gonna

916
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: just be in the dunk contest.

917
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 2: I gotta I got, I gotta show myself.

918
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win it right, and I want it that

919
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: next year year. So you know that was my mentality.

920
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: I played the game of one speed. That was all out.

921
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: That's the only way I knew how to play. No,

922
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna come that train. Now I get out

923
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: on the break. Ain't nobody beat me down for And

924
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: you look at guys like myself, James Worthy, how fast

925
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: we ran the lanes.

926
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: I think suicide. All that came about. Ain't nobody suicide.

927
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: We ran the fast break. We wasn't gonna stop at

928
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: the three point line. We get into that rack, especially

929
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: early in the game.

930
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: I see, I see too many people right here.

931
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: So when you want a fast break and it's nobody

932
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: between you and the basket, especially early in the game.

933
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: Now late in the game, the game close, you need

934
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: to be of course, but early in the game you

935
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: un You get that too easy too. Now you're seeing

936
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: the ball go in the basket, but this way we

937
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: see it, you don't start pressing.

938
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 5: We seeing three four people in the three point line,

939
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 5: one person at the post, and you like, and you

940
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 5: got one person on the side like he ain't.

941
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: On him to come over here with the You.

942
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 5: Like, ain't no move y'all, ain't making no y'all, ain't

943
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 5: set on no plays.

944
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: A classic way of running a fast break is when

945
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: you get it, you get it to that point guard

946
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: right and you feel the lanes. You go wide and

947
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: then you cut in, so you got a choice either side.

948
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: Now if they don't get it, you go through and

949
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: you cross right. Now the big guy come down and

950
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: you have what they call a second day break, so

951
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: the ball never stops.

952
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 5: So check this out right, Just like you said, if

953
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 5: you would have missed through four five shots back then,

954
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 5: you getting out the game.

955
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: Oh they got sinners coming up the court with the ball.

956
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: How when we start doing that?

957
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: But see, the thing is the object of the game,

958
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: the get the ball up the floor as quickly as

959
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: possible by any means necessary. So yeah, I brought the

960
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: ball up the floor a lot, but I was pushing it.

961
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: But most time I wanted to be the one to

962
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: finish the play and I started, So I get that

963
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: ball to Doc rivers buk where and I just fell

964
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: those lanes because I know it's coming back to me.

965
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: But how how you gonna get a rebound? So bringing

966
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: the ball.

967
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: And dunks and one plays the rim because we were

968
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: willing to run. We ran the ball form makes and missus.

969
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 5: So we'll never get second Darby's chances, second Darvin chances.

970
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 5: If our center is bringing the ball up, who Wh're

971
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 5: gonna get the rebound?

972
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: The guard? Yeah, but you know again, it was just

973
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: a different way of playing back then. I was trying

974
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: to be very efficient. And how you do that you

975
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: gotta attack.

976
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: I gotta attack.

977
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: See the ball, going back, get to the free throw line,

978
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: and like, well, you see in the mid range. I

979
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: was doing all that mid range stuff way back then.

980
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: How how you feel about people doing this? Because I

981
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: see this a lot. I see this a lot.

982
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 5: Guard or or power forward, whichever want to beat they man,

983
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 5: you can tell that ain't in their contract to shoot

984
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: too many shots.

985
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: They got a freezeout.

986
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 6: I already know what you're saying, and here ain't go

987
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 6: you know what I'm gonna get you God, but that

988
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 6: gets on my nerves. Me crazy with big guys to

989
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 6: see him get right here and they passed the ball,

990
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 6: pass the ball. If you did that back and there's

991
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 6: a big guy would have passed up ball back out

992
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 6: when you right here again, especially early in the game,

993
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 6: right you might not see a lot of playing times

994
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 6: because you're giving up an easy giving up maybe.

995
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 2: For you know, he ain't gonna who he ain't gonna

996
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: make it.

997
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: Because this is a hypercentage shot. But I see so

998
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: many guys remors right there and you do this throw

999
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: it out. That's the that's bizarre to me because even

1000
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: as a smaller guy, I'm not a center. I was

1001
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: small for it. If I got the ball in here.

1002
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: It ain't coming out. I'm trying to get this guy

1003
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: in foul trouble and get it easy too. You know.

1004
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: The thing you don't see. I had to jump honk right,

1005
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, I get the ball here, right, I get

1006
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: a step using this using to throw it out, but

1007
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: just hold the guy, bab gotta jump hunk. Or if

1008
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: I get it right, and that's like I said, kill

1009
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: here for a second. Let me tell you something, right,

1010
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: if I go this way and you go with me

1011
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: right right, then go there. So if I'm gonna go

1012
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: with me, you're gone. You gone, right, You're done, You're gone,

1013
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: you know. Or if you guard me right, I take

1014
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: you step up, I rip through, then I'll come through right.

1015
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: Or I go the opposite way you got. Then I

1016
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: go this way right then I throw it off the

1017
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: glass and then right. You know, that's that's the things

1018
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: we were taught, you know,